#297 Nick Shirley - Inside California’s $222 Billion Medi-Cal Crisis

Summary

The Shawn Ryan Show – Episode #297: Nick Shirley - Inside California’s $222 Billion Medi-Cal Crisis

Release Date: April 20, 2026

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Overview

In this candid and hard-hitting episode, Shawn Ryan sits down with 23-year-old independent journalist Nick Shirley to discuss his explosive investigations into fraud within California’s Medi-Cal program, the homelessness crisis, and rampant issues undermining public trust in government spending. Known for on-the-ground work that exposes corruption where legacy media won’t tread, Shirley unpacks multi-billion dollar scams, mafia involvement, and the consequences for ordinary Californians. The conversation also touches on voter fraud, government response (or lack thereof), attacks on whistleblowers, and Shirley’s viral impact—including direct threats from organized crime and meetings with figures like Elon Musk.

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Key Topics & Insights

1. Introduction to Nick Shirley’s Work

[03:10 – 04:29]

• Nick is celebrated for fearless journalism, exposing government fraud from Minnesota to California.
• He’s testified before Congress on fraud and is now focused on uncovering scams in Medicaid (Medi-Cal), daycares, and hospices in California.

"From immigration debates to government waste. Uncovered alleged massive fraud in Minnesota’s taxpayer funded programs." – [Show Host, 03:10]

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2. Investigating Fraud: From Minnesota to California

[00:40 – 08:17]

• Nick shifted focus due to increased threats after Minnesota, taking on election fraud and then hospice fraud in California.
• California was targeted due to its size and lack of voter ID requirements.
• Connections to large-scale fraud in Medicare/Medicaid nationally.

"There is so much fraud here in the United States, it's unbelievable." – Nick Shirley [00:47] "Their Medicaid is called Medi-Cal. It's the biggest Medicaid in the United States because they have the most amount of people." – Nick Shirley [08:36]

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3. The Medi-Cal Crisis: Billions Lost & Complex Scams

[08:17 – 16:38]

• Budget Shock: Medi-Cal doubled its proposed budget from $108 billion (2022, 39.9M enrollees) to $222 billion (2026, ~40M enrollees), without population growth.

"So in 2022, they had $108 billion go towards Medi-Cal, population 39.9 million... Now we're in 2026. The proposed budget is $222 billion and their enrollment is 40 million." – Nick Shirley [09:12]

• Massive deficit now ($20–$40B), after prior surpluses; fraud pointed to as a major cause.
• Fraud Mechanism: Criminals steal Medicare beneficiary numbers, enroll people (often elderly) in hospice care without their knowledge. Patients discover this only when denied medical procedures.

"The most valuable thing to somebody over the age of 65 is their Medicare beneficiary number. And that's even more valuable to a fraudster than a credit card." – Nick Shirley [11:14]

• Many hospices/home health services are fake—sometimes dozens in a single empty building. Armenian and Russian mafias are implicated.
• Shirley describes investigating “plazas” in LA with up to 89 hospice centers in one building, many with little more than a desk inside.

"Armenian and Russian mafias are running these hospices." – Nick Shirley [14:07] "You even have $200,000 Maybachs. Like, these fraudsters are living complete luxury." – Nick Shirley [15:46]

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4. Organized Crime & Personal Risk

[20:04 – 22:15]

• Russian mafia delivered threats to Nick via an acquaintance of his mother, warning him away from their operations.

"The Russian mafia wants me to tell you to make sure Nick doesn't come poking around our fraud." – Nick Shirley [20:45]

• Nick compares mafia tactics across groups—Russians and Armenians work quietly and avoid public attention, making threats more chilling.
• After fraud exposure in Minnesota, Shirley also faced death threats and public blame for unrelated violence.

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5. Government Response: Task Forces & Prosecutions

[04:05 – 05:53]

• Creation of an interdepartmental fraud task force credited at least in part to Nick’s exposés.

"They actually just opened up a new task force...I think we will start to see prosecutions ramp up." – Nick Shirley [04:31]

• Early signs of real prosecutions and arrests, especially after Minnesota cases.
• However, he calls out politicians and agencies for “not stopping the bleeding”—cosmetic reforms without enforcement.

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6. Extent and Impact of Fraud

[24:18 – 28:37]

• Estimated 3-7% of every US tax dollar is lost to fraud—equivalent to 25 days of the average American’s labor per year.

"Each American is working 25 days out of the year to pay a fraudster." – Nick Shirley [24:35]

• Programs lose billions; California daycare fraud alone is lowballed at $100 million.
• Fraudsters adapt quickly to exposure.

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7. Voter Fraud in California (and Beyond)

[29:07 – 39:05]

• California’s lack of voter ID requirements makes it extremely vulnerable.
• Shirley describes acquiring full voter rolls—finding numerous red flags:
  • People as old as 126 apparently voting.
  • Addresses listed as PO boxes or UPS stores (impermissible as domiciles).
  • Registered pets (a dog successfully voting in at least one election).

"A lady...registered her dog to vote, and the dog voted in two elections. The first election, it voted successfully." – Nick Shirley [32:14] "We're the best country in the world, most advanced country, yet a dog is able to vote in our elections." – Nick Shirley [33:42]

• Similar loose policies in other states (Minnesota, New York) allow vouching for others and more.
• Difficulty enforcing signature checks; month-long voting periods allow ample time for fraud.

"Essentially, Sean, if your vote doesn't matter, what does matter?" – Nick Shirley [36:12]

• Efforts to reform (e.g., the SAVE Act, state voter ID propositions) ongoing but uncertain.

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8. Homelessness Industrial Complex

[40:09 – 53:08]

• Skid Row used as a case study: NGOs take millions for homelessness but often fail basic support, leaving kids and families on the street.
• Nick recounts personally intervening to get a child and his mother off Skid Row, succeeding in days where the state system failed.
• Billions allocated to homelessness have not improved outcomes; in fact, the situation has worsened.
• Shirley explains how NGOs buy up properties, claim section 8-style government rent subsidies, and get rich while incentivizing “perpetual homelessness.”

"If we receive more money, why would we stop the solution? Because then we stop receiving more money." – Nick Shirley [44:22]

• In New York City, $81,000/year is spent per homeless person.

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9. Public and Political Reaction

[23:44 – 24:18] [39:13 – 40:09]

• Politicians (e.g., Gavin Newsom) have tried to mock or discredit Shirley through memes/AI-generated images.

"Gavin Newsom posted a photo of me snooping around...trying to depict me as a pervert." – Nick Shirley [23:44]

• Public reception is surprisingly positive—across political divides, people are fed up.
• Detractors form a vocal, threatening minority.

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10. Legacy Media, Social Media, and Viral Impact

[63:01 – 66:07]

• Nick addresses controversy and editing issues with mainstream media interviews.
• His Medicaid/Minnesota fraud video received up to 4 billion views (all platforms), thanks largely to X (formerly Twitter).

"That Minnesota video... It's the most viral video potentially ever in the Internet." – Nick Shirley [66:07]

• Meeting Elon Musk, who praised Shirley’s work and discussed his own experience with government incompetence during PayPal's early days.

"Do people realize what he's actually done for society?... Like, this man has done a lot for society and he's taking his time to just talk with me." – Nick Shirley [66:04]

• Discussion with Musk included potential for state secession or civil conflict if government corruption remains unchecked.

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11. Current & Upcoming Investigations

[52:33 – 53:08]

• Upcoming release: Investigation into the "homeless industrial complex" in California.
• Nick is looking at how NGOs have accumulated hundreds of millions, even half a billion, in assets using government homeless funds.

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Notable Quotes

• "There is so much fraud here in the United States, it's unbelievable." – Nick Shirley [00:47]
• "The most valuable thing to somebody over 65 is their Medicare beneficiary number. More valuable to a fraudster than a credit card." – Nick Shirley [11:14]
• "We're the best country in the world, most advanced country, yet a dog is able to vote in our elections." – Nick Shirley [33:42]
• "Each American is working 25 days out of the year to pay a fraudster." – Nick Shirley [24:35]
• "If your vote doesn't matter, what does matter?... How do we know that it's a democracy if our vote doesn't matter?" – Nick Shirley [36:12]
• "If we receive more money, why would we stop the solution? Because then we stop receiving more money." – Nick Shirley [44:22]
• "Do people realize how much this man has done...between Starlink, between Tesla, between X, between the tunnels?... And everyone just wants to demonize Elon Musk." – Nick Shirley [66:04]

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Timestamps for Major Segments

• Intro to Nick’s Work & Minnesota Fraud: [03:10 – 08:17]
• Deep Dive: Medi-Cal Fraud/How It Works: [08:17 – 16:38]
• Organized Crime Threats: [20:04 – 22:15]
• Voter Fraud in California: [29:07 – 39:05]
• Homelessness Industrial Complex: [40:09 – 53:08]
• Public/Political Reaction: [23:44 – 24:18], [39:13 – 40:09]
• Media Controversy & Elon Musk Meeting: [63:01 – 69:57]
• Upcoming Projects & Closing Thoughts: [52:33 – 54:16]

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Memorable Moments

• Russian mafia threatening Nick’s family not to investigate their “businesses” [20:45].
• Exposure of fraud where “a dog was able to vote” in California [32:14].
• Nick personally rescuing a homeless child and mother from Skid Row [40:56 – 42:44].
• Nick’s viral impact (4 billion views in 7 days) and conversation with Elon Musk [65:54 – 66:07].
• Host’s blunt take: “Our country looks like shit… Tents, Fentanyl, needles, bums everywhere, trash all over the place. Our road system sucks. Our power grid sucks.” – Shawn Ryan [49:52]

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Conclusion

This episode provides a revealing look at the mechanics and scale of public-benefits fraud in California, the dangerous intersection with organized crime, shortcomings of government oversight, and the human cost of corruption and failed policies. Nick Shirley’s investigative work has triggered real change, public outcry, and no small amount of danger, while opening the door for overdue discussions about accountability, transparency, and the future of American social programs.

Listeners come away with a sobering, sometimes enraging, but ultimately motivating perspective on what needs fixing—and where the resistance to fixing it really lies.

Transcript

[Nick Shirley]

K Pop Demon Hunters, Saja Boy's Breakfast Meal and Hunt Tricks Meal have just dropped at McDonald's. They're calling this a battle for the fans. What do you say to that, Rumi?

[Commercial Announcer]

It's not a battle.

[Nick Shirley]

So glad the Saja Boys could take breakfast and give our meal the rest of the day.

[Sean Ryan]

It is an honor to share.

[Nick Shirley]

No, it's our honor.

[Sean Ryan]

It is our larger honor.

[Nick Shirley]

No, really, stop. You can really feel the respect in this battle. Pick a meal to pick a side. Ba da ba ba ba and participate

[Sean Ryan]

in McDonald's while supplies last Foreign.

[Show Host]

Nick Shirley.

[Sean Ryan]

Didn't expect to see it back so soon.

[Nick Shirley]

Yeah, me neither.

[Show Host]

What do you. Turns out there's lots of fraud to uncover in the United States.

[Sean Ryan]

Huh?

[Nick Shirley]

There is so much fraud here in the United States, it's unbelievable.

[Sean Ryan]

Dude, did you. So hold on.

[Show Host]

Did you go right to California from Minnesota?

[Nick Shirley]

So after Minnesota, I was like, okay, the threats are pretty high right now. After exposing, like, billions of dollars, Let me focus on something different, but let me still focus on fraud. So I focused on election fraud in California. I was like, that would maybe take a little bit of the pressure off me for a little bit as far as, like, the death threats and just, like, going having a group like the Somalians coming after me. So, okay, let's go after election fraud. And then a few weeks later, I then. Then did go after the hospice fraud, and that was bad.

[Show Host]

Why'd you pick California?

[Sean Ryan]

Election fraud? I'm just curious.

[Nick Shirley]

Because they're the biggest state in the country and they're one of the states that don't require voter id. So I really just want to show people how easy it is to vote in an election here inside the United States in a place that does not require voter id.

[Sean Ryan]

Have you heard of. We're going to get into that.

[Show Host]

I'm just curious. I've been hearing a lot of

[Sean Ryan]

the voter frauds coming out of Venezuela, like, from a national standpoint. Have you heard this shit?

[Nick Shirley]

I really haven't.

[Sean Ryan]

You have.

[Nick Shirley]

I heard, like, the. Like that maybe like, the Dominion machines are there.

[Sean Ryan]

Yes.

[Nick Shirley]

I haven't looked into it.

[Show Host]

Smartmatic.

[Sean Ryan]

Is that who owns them?

[Show Host]

I don't know. This is all allegedly.

[Sean Ryan]

Allegedly, but I've been hearing a lot of sources talking about that it all kind of is orchestrated from Venezuela, but I don't know.

[Show Host]

I'm just curious if you would like to go. It's very. It's very. I don't know if I should say conspiracy.

[Sean Ryan]

Ish. But I can't think of another word Right now it's kind of conspiracy ish. So I haven't really. I haven't really touched on it yet because I can't. You know, there's a lot of wild out there, but I'm hearing it more and more and more.

[Nick Shirley]

If you can hook me up with a group of special op guys going to Venezuela, I'll go look into it.

[Show Host]

I know a couple special op guys

[Sean Ryan]

will go to Venezuela with you.

[Show Host]

So yeah, actually I will fucking hook you up.

[Sean Ryan]

I'll call them up tonight and see if they will be interested in going down with you.

[Nick Shirley]

I'm down. I Espanol. I'm ready.

[Show Host]

Do you really?

[Nick Shirley]

Yeah, I speak fluent Spanish.

[Sean Ryan]

No shit. Where'd you learn that in Chile?

[Nick Shirley]

Santiago.

[Sean Ryan]

Mission trip?

[Nick Shirley]

Yep.

[Sean Ryan]

Nice. Nice.

[Nick Shirley]

I'm a dual threat.

[Sean Ryan]

Nice.

[Show Host]

Let me give you an intro here. Nick shirley, a bold 23 year old independent journalist who's taken the Internet by storm with fearless on the ground investigations known for exposing stories and the legacy media won't touch. From immigration debates to government waste. Uncovered alleged massive fraud in Minnesota's taxpayer funded programs. Testified before Congress about the fraud taking place in Minnesota and all across the United States. Currently uncovering millions and dollars of fraud in California for fake hospice care facilities and daycares.

[Sean Ryan]

Man.

[Show Host]

And as you know, before we get going, got a couple things to knock out. 1.

[Sean Ryan]

Yes.

[Nick Shirley]

These are so good.

[Show Host]

Vigilance League Gummy bears like the whole

[Nick Shirley]

pack last time within a few days.

[Sean Ryan]

Nice.

[Show Host]

And we got a Patreon account, turned it into quite the community. And so they get the opportunity to ask every single guest a question. This is from Robert Simmons. Have you had any luck with any federal investigators taking what you found in expanding investigations? And do you think at some point there will be any real indictments or convictions of state officials who have allowed

[Sean Ryan]

it or are covering it up?

[Nick Shirley]

Yeah, I think I've had a lot of success. They actually just opened up a new task force, broad task force where a bunch of departments of the government are now going to be talking together. If they see an issue at treasury and they see an issue at another department where they weren't communicating, now they're going to communicate. And I think we will start to see prosecutions ramp up.

[Show Host]

Vance just.

[Sean Ryan]

He's the lead on that, isn't he?

[Show Host]

Is this the same thing?

[Nick Shirley]

Yes.

[Sean Ryan]

So what, what is it that. What is the difference between this and doge?

[Nick Shirley]

This essentially isn't like a new. I don't think it's a new department, it's a task force. And now like all these departments inside the government, like, you have treasury, you have the people who are over the housing, you have all these departments that are now going to be talking together. You have the hhs, that's going to be talking with Treasury. If there's a huge amount of money going somewhere and they think it's suspicious, they're going to talk. Because before they weren't talking.

[Sean Ryan]

Right on.

[Nick Shirley]

And that's why the fraud got so big.

[Sean Ryan]

You think you are the main component of the reason that happened?

[Nick Shirley]

Yeah, I think so. JD even told me that.

[Sean Ryan]

Did he really?

[Nick Shirley]

Yeah. I met with him and he's like, you're one of the main reasons why this is happening.

[Sean Ryan]

Wow. How's that feel?

[Nick Shirley]

It's pretty cool.

[Sean Ryan]

Yeah?

[Nick Shirley]

Yeah. I mean, I think it's just cool to know that, like, your efforts can be seen by government officials and like, change can be brought out.

[Sean Ryan]

That's right.

[Nick Shirley]

Which was cool for. For me to see at least.

[Sean Ryan]

Pretty fucking cool what you're doing, man.

[Nick Shirley]

Yeah, it's fun. It's fun and scary at the same time.

[Sean Ryan]

How would so have the death threats

[Nick Shirley]

died down a little bit? I mean, after Minnesota, that was very. That was really crazy. And especially after the, the shootings as well that took place in Minnesota, that did not help. Yeah, that was pretty wild. Just because everyone wanted to blame on somebody and so they were blaming it on me. I'm like, I had nothing to do with that.

[Sean Ryan]

Well, are you talking about the, like the ICE shootings?

[Nick Shirley]

Yeah.

[Show Host]

They were blaming that on you.

[Nick Shirley]

A lot of like the leftists were trying to blame it on me. I'm like, no, I'm not the one who decided to get my car and hit an ICE agent or put myself in position to get shot by an ICE agent.

[Sean Ryan]

Holy shit. Yeah. I didn't know they were blaming that on you. I don't think that was a good shoot.

[Nick Shirley]

Well, not everyone, but like us, like, group of people are like, you have blood on your hands. I'm like, no, I don't. Yeah, that was not me.

[Sean Ryan]

Damn, dude. Damn.

[Nick Shirley]

Because I mean, the. After that, after I exposed all that fraud, the politician tried to divert the attention from the fraud. And with the ICE coming in, they then like, they even shut down school so people could go out and protest. So they then incentivize these people to go out and protest and we're rallying them up like Ilhan Omar was in the back of a truck bed yelling at the protesters, riling them up.

[Sean Ryan]

No shit.

[Nick Shirley]

Yeah.

[Sean Ryan]

I didn't know that. Wow. Did anything happen In Minnesota.

[Nick Shirley]

Yeah. So I mean, for instance, like the Feeding our future one, that was one of the main daycares I went to. They had received over $3 million. One of the ladies was fleeing the United States to go to the UK on a one way trip. She got caught at the airport and now she's been found guilty. And there's people who have been arrested for autism who have pleaded guilty to the autism fraud that took place. And right now I think they're just building up the cases. I mean, it really was only about three months ago since all this happened.

[Sean Ryan]

It's actually pretty impressive that that's already starting to happen. I honestly thought everybody would just go unscathed, like, oh yeah, we uncovered it. Cool, let's just keep doing it.

[Nick Shirley]

Yeah, all the fraudsters are on high alert right now too.

[Sean Ryan]

Good, you're doing good work. So let's move into California.

[Nick Shirley]

California fraud is so massive and there's so many different things to look at when you look at the frauding that's taking place in California. You have Medi Cal fraud, which is their Medicaid. And for instance, in 2022, they had $108 billion go towards Medi Cal the population.

[Sean Ryan]

What is Medi Cal?

[Nick Shirley]

It's their Medicaid.

[Sean Ryan]

Okay.

[Nick Shirley]

So each state kind of calls their Medicaid systems or programs a bit different. California is called Medi Cal. It's the biggest Medicaid in the United States because they have the most amount of people. But so in 2022, they had $108 billion go towards medical. Their enrollments at the time was 3.9 million. Okay. And so then here, now we're in 2026. The proposed budget for medical is now 222 million and their enrollments 40 million. So they've only.

[Sean Ryan]

What? Yeah, hold on. Can you say those numbers again?

[Show Host]

So 108 million, billion, billion, billion, billion for 39.8 million people.

[Nick Shirley]

39.9.

[Show Host]

So they've over doubled it for 100,000 people.

[Sean Ryan]

A hundred thousand people.

[Show Host]

Well, what's new?

[Sean Ryan]

What are they getting?

[Nick Shirley]

That's. We're all wondering. And actually the population of California hasn't gone up exponentially either.

[Sean Ryan]

Yeah, I checked it. It's, it's plateaued.

[Show Host]

I thought, I thought it was actually

[Sean Ryan]

a decline, but it's not a decline. It is a Plateau. Since 2020.

[Nick Shirley]

Yes, I pulled it.

[Sean Ryan]

I pulled it up.

[Nick Shirley]

And so when I was doing that, making that video, I looked, I looked at this, I said, what is going on here? How is it going from 39.9 enrollment to now 40 million enrollment. Yet there's a over $100 billion. And then if you look at the surplus, California at one Point is operating $100 billion surplus before 2020. Now they're operating in a, I believe, around a 2020 to $40 billion deficit. So that's an easy place to point to why they're in such deficit and where all the fraud is.

[Sean Ryan]

So what is going on? How do you. Can you say the dates again? So it was 13. It was 108 billion.

[Show Host]

And when?

[Nick Shirley]

2022.

[Sean Ryan]

2022. And today in 2026, it's doubled.

[Nick Shirley]

Yes, over doubled. The proposed budgets at 222 billion.

[Sean Ryan]

Holy shit, dude.

[Nick Shirley]

And the thing with the fraud is they want to make it so big and so complex that it's hard to actually crack down on. And so when you have that much money going out to these locations, going out to these hospices, going out to these home healthcares, it makes it very hard to crack down on because how do you, like, the web's so deep at that point. Like, there's so many hands that are involved.

[Show Host]

How are they doing the fraud?

[Nick Shirley]

So hospice and home health care, like the most valuable thing to somebody over the age of 65 is their Medicare beneficiary number. And that's even more valuable to a fraudster than a credit card. So they get the medical beneficiary numbers of these people and then they start enrolling them into hospice. And once someone's enrolled to hospice, a lot of people in California don't even know they're enrolled into hospice until they go to the doctor and they need a surgery or they need an appointment. And they say, well, we can't help you. You're enrolled in the hospice.

[Sean Ryan]

So then what happens? So these people. So basically their identity stolen.

[Nick Shirley]

Yes.

[Sean Ryan]

Somebody puts them in the hospice program. They need a surgery. They can't get a surgery because they'll be.

[Nick Shirley]

They'll be denied.

[Sean Ryan]

How many people have died because of this?

[Nick Shirley]

I don't have the exact numbers on that, but I imagine a lot of people get to the doctors and they're like, wait, I had no idea it was on hospice. CBS even reported on it.

[Sean Ryan]

I mean, what if it's a medical emergency?

[Nick Shirley]

They're on hospice.

[Sean Ryan]

You're having a heart attack, you're on hospice or an aneurysm or. Holy.

[Nick Shirley]

So it's very dangerous, actually. I mean, my grandma, when she was dying, they put her on hospice. And basically that means they're just going to give you morphine if you're not feeling good or they're going to like treat you, but they're not going to stop you from dying. Like if you're, they're not going to do some last minute procedure to make sure you stay alive.

[Sean Ryan]

So is hospice, is it. What is it government aid? What does it cover?

[Nick Shirley]

So it's underneath medical, but it's, it's literally just like. Hospice is just like home health, health care to ease your dying.

[Sean Ryan]

That's what I thought.

[Nick Shirley]

Yeah. So there's hospice and then there's home health care where they then actually do stuff to help the person stay alive.

[Sean Ryan]

It sounds like a really easy thing to fix. Just verify who you're sending the money to. Hey, is so and so here? No.

[Nick Shirley]

Okay, well, well, the problem is, is they then get these like little offices and they just do the billing and they don't have the, the patient inside of, inside of a hospice because they're going out to the homes. Because most of these people are on their deathbeds at their home.

[Sean Ryan]

Okay.

[Nick Shirley]

And so you. It's very hard.

[Sean Ryan]

Okay.

[Nick Shirley]

So if you do have that medical beneficiary number, it's super easy to make it look like you're doing stuff because it's just a piece of paper that you're signing off and sending to the state and then they send you the money from Medi Cal.

[Sean Ryan]

Okay.

[Nick Shirley]

Or from Medicare.

[Sean Ryan]

I thought hospice was actual centers.

[Nick Shirley]

No, that's why they're able to get away with it. And that's how they get the medical beneficiary numbers. Then they can just bill people without them even knowing.

[Sean Ryan]

How'd you figure this? How did you, how did you figure all this out?

[Nick Shirley]

Well, after my Minnesota video, it like surged the country to go look for fraud. And I was kind of nervous to tackle California because I was worried like, okay, if I post a video, Gavin Newsom probably going to try to sue me because Dr. Oz went and did it. He's the head of CMS. So he went and showed that here in California there's thousand percent increase in these hospices. Armenian and Russian mafias are running, running these hospices. And so I knew there was something there because literally the head of the CMS is going there and talking about that. And so then I started looking into all the data. After my video, the HHS actually released the databases of the HHS to. Then you could go, then scan through it. So I started going through that data. I located these hospices. I said, okay, I'm gonna go see what's happening. At these. And it turns out that they are just. There's just a bunch of plazas in this place called Van Nuys In California, in LA, that just have literally 10 to 89 hospices in one building.

[Sean Ryan]

Dude, this. This is just like the Minnesota shit.

[Nick Shirley]

Yeah. It might even be worse because one in third of the hospices in America are in LA County.

[Sean Ryan]

One third of the hospices in America

[Show Host]

are in LA County.

[Nick Shirley]

I believe so. Yeah. Like one. And then like one in every ten dollars for home health care goes to LA County. It gets really bad.

[Sean Ryan]

Whoa, dude. Holy shit. 89 in one building.

[Nick Shirley]

89 in one building.

[Sean Ryan]

What does that look like?

[Nick Shirley]

They're literally these plazas or just these buildings that you maybe drive by and you don't think anything of because you've never seen anything ever happen to them. Well, there's a little hospice in a room that's like eight by eight and you knock on the door and nobody's there. You can even open the door and there's nothing in it. And then if someone is in it, it's literally like one desk. And it's one of these usually Armenians, especially in California. And then you drive out and you walk outside the parking lot and you got like M8 competitions. You got G Wagons, you got cyber trucks. You even have $200,000 Maybachs. Like, these fraudsters are living complete luxury.

[Show Host]

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[Sean Ryan]

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[Nick Shirley]

This is Russian mob that's running this Russian and Armenian. So I stroke the Armenians. Apparently the Russians actually got ahold of somebody who knew my mom and said they called and then that person then called my mom and said the Russian mafia wants me to tell you to make sure Nick doesn't come poking around our fraud. Like that's not a joke. We were driving in la, I was working on a separate video. Somebody called my mom and she apparently had knew some people and that and she had my mom's phone number. She called my mom, said the Russian mafia wants to make sure to let you know to have Nick not come snooping around our businesses.

[Sean Ryan]

How's that make you feel?

[Nick Shirley]

I was like, well I'm probably not going to go check out the Russians. But it is scary because, like, the Somalians, they were threatening me publicly. Like, they had their people talking in these chats. They were out doing this press conference. It was like they're trying to sell a book. Like, they're. They're like, Gav Newsom, they're trying to sell his own book. These people are doing press conferences and whatnot. The Armenians and the Russians, they're a lot smarter than that. They're not going to be doing these press conferences about trying to protect their fraud. And so they're going to work in a lot quieter way. So that was very scary when my mom did get that phone call.

[Sean Ryan]

How's your mom take that?

[Nick Shirley]

Like, now? We're not, like, used to it, but it's like, okay, Nick, we need to be cautious, which isn't fun,

[Sean Ryan]

man.

[Nick Shirley]

That one was a little. That was a little crazy, not gonna lie.

[Sean Ryan]

Yeah, that's serious.

[Nick Shirley]

Yeah, that was serious.

[Sean Ryan]

I mean, that's serious because, I mean,

[Nick Shirley]

these people, like, you talk about, like, the mafia or gangs, like, it's real. Like, there's certain parts in America where mafias or gangs do have control, but you don't see it as blatantly because they're not rolling around like armed gangs in a favela. It's more so like, these are the people who take command and everyone knows it, and it's just kind of how it's been and they can kind of blend in, man.

[Sean Ryan]

Well, it's out now.

[Nick Shirley]

Yeah, it's out now. So hopefully nothing happens.

[Sean Ryan]

Sheesh. Have you talked about this anywhere else?

[Nick Shirley]

No, you're the first one, actually.

[Sean Ryan]

Oh, great.

[Show Host]

Great.

[Sean Ryan]

No shit.

[Nick Shirley]

Yeah. That was. That was intense. Honestly, I was. I really like, that night I was just sitting my bed just thinking, yeah, the Russian mafia knows, like, we're on to them or that people are on to their scams and their fraud. And they're literally making phone calls to make sure I don't come snoop around the fraud that they've been able to get away with for so long.

[Sean Ryan]

Damn. But you've been talking about this pretty openly. I mean, it popped up on my radar.

[Nick Shirley]

Yeah. Because, I mean, I'm doing a public service to the country to try and expose fraud wherever it may be. And I don't care if you're Russian, Armenian, Somalian, American. Like, if you're committing fraud, you're stealing from hard working, legal taxpayers. So either stop committing fraud or you're going to get exposed.

[Sean Ryan]

So what is that? How long ago did you expose us?

[Nick Shirley]

The Minnesota or.

[Sean Ryan]

No, no, no, the California stuff.

[Nick Shirley]

I filmed that back in February.

[Sean Ryan]

February, yeah. What is the response been from everybody else other than the mobs?

[Nick Shirley]

Gavin Newsom, he posted a photo of me snooping around, an AI generated image of me snooping around daycares, trying to depict me as like a pervert, putting like 10 cameras on me.

[Sean Ryan]

I saw that.

[Nick Shirley]

Where are the children? The overall response, though, has been a lot more positive compared to Minnesota because people are realizing, oh, this is like a systemic problem here in the United States. This isn't a right or left issue. Like, each one of these tax dollars is our tax dollars. So the response has been, I'd say, even better because people are now seeing like, okay, this is like a big issue.

[Sean Ryan]

Yeah, I mean, I remember last time, I think it was last time you were here, there was an estimated $600 billion in fraud in the U.S. alone.

[Nick Shirley]

Yeah. 3 to 7% of each tax dollar goes towards fraud here in the United states.

[Sean Ryan]

How much?

[Nick Shirley]

3 to 7%. So that means that each American is working 25 days out of the year to pay a fraudster.

[Sean Ryan]

Wow. Has there been any response from the California government on this, other than you running around with a bunch of cameras?

[Nick Shirley]

They're trying to act like Gavin Newsome did this and that to stop hospices, I think, like back in 2021. But the problem is you can go and sign something, but if you don't actually stop the bleeding, that means nothing because there was over a thousand increase. There's 1,500 hospices in LA county alone. And yeah, good job. You maybe crack down on 50, 70 of them, but you have a lot more to crack down on and you didn't stop the bleeding. It's similar to Minnesota, where they had a 10,000% increase in funding for autism, yet there wasn't a 10,000% of children with autism. So these governors like to act like they're doing stuff, but they actually never stop the bleeding. And that's where all the fraud is taking place. Like, stop the bleeding. And then maybe you can say, I did something. But until then, like, you're just as complicit as these fraudsters because you know what's happening, but you don't stop the bleeding.

[Sean Ryan]

How many buildings did you go to that were doing this? 89 in one building, I mean. 89.

[Nick Shirley]

Yeah. So CVS report on the 89 one. I just went to about an area, probably about 2 square miles, and within there there's the one motel, like, building that had like 15 of them in There, there's another one that had about eight inside of it. There was another one that had. It started off as an adult daycare that then transformed themselves into a hospice and a home health care. So they just got in on all the goods. And altogether probably around 10.

[Sean Ryan]

10 different buildings.

[Nick Shirley]

10 different buildings.

[Sean Ryan]

What are these people saying to you when you bang on the door, when you approach them, do they speak English?

[Nick Shirley]

Some of them do. A lot of them aren't there. And I said, one guy was there and he said, I'm like, He's like, I've been in this business since 1990 something. I'm like, okay, then what's the justification for a thousand percent increase since you've been in it for so long? And he can't even re answer the question. In fact, he blames Dr. Oz.

[Sean Ryan]

He blames Dr. Oz?

[Nick Shirley]

Yes, he blamed Dr. Oz saying that he was making all these allegations and he even blamed Dr. Oz for being fat. Like, that was pretty funny. In the video, the guy's like, I bought Dr. Oz pills and I'm still fat. I'm like, oh, so you're fat because of Dr. Oz? He's like, yes, because of Dr. Oz.

[Sean Ryan]

Wow. Wow.

[Nick Shirley]

And all I'm pulling the information straight from these data sets and so they can't back it up. I'm like, okay. He's like, well, my business is right here. I'm like, okay, great. Then your business is right here. You don't even. You're not even registered with CMS. Like, how come you aren't registered with CMS? And then he blames Dr. Oz. And I'm like, well, Dr. Oz has actually only been in that position for maybe a year, yet they've been getting away with this for years.

[Sean Ryan]

What do you think is going to happen with this?

[Nick Shirley]

Well, I'm super interested to see what happens with this fraud task force. And I do think if there's not prosecutions or if people aren't arrested, then, like, I think Americans are just going to lose hope, like, lose any faith that they have left in the government because it is literally out there for in the open, this fraud.

[Sean Ryan]

I mean, you just said every 25Americans spend 25 days a year paying for fraud. 25amonth of your hard work that you are sending to the government is paying for fraud.

[Nick Shirley]

Yeah, it's crazy. And so in some of these programs too, they're like, oh, well, it's not that much money. Well, your program, your department allows $7 billion and 1.7% of that goes towards fraud. That's $100 million. That's how much daycare fraud there is in California. That's a very low estimate, by the way. I'm like, cable, That's a lot of money. $100 million.

[Sean Ryan]

Where are we going next? We going daycare fraud, Voter fraud. What are we doing?

[Nick Shirley]

Voter fraud's very big. And I think that's something that's just like so obvious too. It's like, okay, how come in these Democrat states they don't want anyone to show their id. Like in California, they do not want you to show your id and they

[Sean Ryan]

don't want you to show your id.

[Nick Shirley]

They don't want you to show your id. You don't need to. All you have to do is sign the paper. Like a lot of people have told me. Well, I've tried to show my ID at the place and they look at it like it's like some sort of cancer. Like they're like, don't look at it. Like we don't need to see it.

[Sean Ryan]

Are you serious?

[Nick Shirley]

Yes. So I wanted to see how easy it would be for, let's just say an illegal migrant to vote in California. So this man, he had all the voter registry. He had all the. He had all the. What are they called? What are they called? Sorry. He had all the voter rolls. So in California, I want to see how bad the fraud was. So I reached out to this man who's been doing his own investigation on this for years. So he had all the voter rolls. And to receive the voter rolls, it's public, you can get the voter rolls, but you have to get access from, I believe, from the Secretary of State of California. So he had received all the voter rolls and he had been going through it for years. And there's so many stuff, so many red flags inside these voter rolls. For instance, you have people who are said to be 126 year olds, 126 years old voting. Then you go to that house and the person's 80 years old, but they voted in 55 elections and they don't require ID. You also have people who are registered to UPS boxes and you can be registered to UPS box, but you cannot have that as your domicile address which is on the voter rolls. So a lot of you had their addresses to these UPS stores into these P.O. boxes and you can't actually do that. And so there's all these problems that could be solved if you were just to show your voter ID when you go and vote. Now when you do go and vote in California. Their way of flagging it is if the signature is not aligned. So there's 39 million people or so in California, let's say 10 million people go and vote. They are literally saying that we are going to scan each and every single signature, and if the signature is not right, that vote will then be investigated.

[Sean Ryan]

Right.

[Nick Shirley]

And it's a slant of the signature.

[Sean Ryan]

Right.

[Nick Shirley]

Who's to say that somebody is not going to go and vote on behalf of Mandy, who's 126 years old, who doesn't even know she's under 26 years old, and go up and show, say she's Mandy and go and vote? So there's so much voter fraud, it's insane.

[Sean Ryan]

This is enraging.

[Nick Shirley]

Yeah, it's very enraging.

[Sean Ryan]

I mean, it all is. It all is. So you. All you have to do is write a signature?

[Nick Shirley]

Yes. No, nothing.

[Sean Ryan]

Nothing else.

[Nick Shirley]

You just have to say you're that person and then sign the signature. In fact, it was so easy to register to vote in California. A lady who's actually a Republican registered her dog to vote, and the dog voted in two elections. The first election, it voted successfully. The second election, the dog got caught because the person reported herself.

[Show Host]

You mean the signatures lined up?

[Nick Shirley]

Yes, the dog. The dog registered to vote. Like, the dog had its own name, everything. It registered to vote. Like, that's how easy it is to register to vote in California. And it's funny because then I then go post that video and I'm like, okay, this is like super simple. A dog registered to vote. You then have Democrats out defending the dog. They're like, you idiot, that was a Republican. I'm like, you realize this isn't a Republican or Democrat issue. A dog was able to vote, and the only reason it got caught was because the owner reported herself. And they're like, well, it didn't count. I'm like, no, it counted. It voted in that first election, and that vote counted. Like, it's very enraging because I'm going about showing people these issues that have become controversial that aren't controversial, and then you have people defending it.

[Sean Ryan]

What are they saying? I mean, what are they.

[Show Host]

What.

[Sean Ryan]

What are they saying?

[Nick Shirley]

They're like, they literally said, you idiot, that was a Republican who did that. And it got caught. I'm like, no, that dog still voted. Like, you don't have a problem with the fact that a person without. Not a person, a dog without a human body was registered to vote in a U.S. election? Like, we are a first world country. We're the best country in the world, most advanced country, yet a dog is able to vote in our elections.

[Sean Ryan]

Do you have any idea how much voter fraud is going on there? How many fraud, fraudulent votes, how long this has been going on?

[Nick Shirley]

A lot. I mean, if you look at the election, the only state that Trump didn't win were states that didn't need voter it, and those states are more Democrat. And I don't doubt that he didn't win those states, but it's crazy that the only states that didn't require a voter ID are the states that Trump lost.

[Sean Ryan]

What other states don't require voter id?

[Nick Shirley]

Minnesota. In fact, in Minnesota, you can vouch on behalf of other people to vote.

[Sean Ryan]

Excuse me.

[Nick Shirley]

Yes. So on the day of voting in Minnesota, say you work at a building or people inside your apartment, I believe you can vouch on behalf of others to vote. So, like, say that person can get to the voting, the voting place to vote, the voting, voting post, you can vouch on behalf of other people. So you could take it, take that paper and then have those sign it and then bring it. And you're vouching on behalf of those individuals.

[Sean Ryan]

So you're voting for multiple people.

[Nick Shirley]

Yes, well, theoretically, other people said that's what they wanted and they signed it or whatever. I'm not from Minnesota, so I don't. I understand exactly how someone goes and vouches for somebody else, but you can literally vouch on behalf of other people.

[Sean Ryan]

So you just take the piece of paper, go around the corner, sign it with a different signature, bring it in, be like, oh, yeah, my buddy wants me to vote for him today.

[Nick Shirley]

Theoretically, that could happen. There's no voter ID either. Where else I want to say, I know New York as well. I don't think they have voter ID Like Zormandani. He wanted people to show two forms of ID to shovel snow, but you don't actually need an ID to vote. So, like, they're taking all these issues that are, are not controversial, making them controversial. So it's very bad.

[Sean Ryan]

Yeah, it sounds like it.

[Nick Shirley]

Because essentially, Sean, if your vote doesn't matter, what does matter? Like, if people can't trust that their vote actually matters, like, what does matter? Like, we live in a democracy, but how do we know that it's a democracy if our vote doesn't matter?

[Sean Ryan]

You don't have to write your birthday or anything down.

[Nick Shirley]

You have to say you're that person and then you sign. You might have to say what your birth date is, but it's on the voter rolls. Like, I don't vote in California, but that's how you go. You literally show up to the place, say you're that person and then they give you the ballot and you vote.

[Sean Ryan]

I mean, 125 years old. So if somebody writes their birthday down, it was like 1900.

[Show Host]

Yeah, that doesn't raise.

[Nick Shirley]

And there's like hundreds of them, like thousands of them. And I go to the doors, I knock on the door because I have the address from these voter rolls and they're like, no, I'm. She's 81. Like it's, it is so stupid. And it could be solved if someone were just to show their own id.

[Sean Ryan]

What's this month long election process?

[Nick Shirley]

Yes. Then it takes. They can verify election for up to a month in California as well. So they have these month long voting. Like you can vote for a month long essentially. Like they can count the votes for a month. Like how can we not, how can we live in a country where they take a literal month to vote and that just gives time for fraud to take place. And then you say something like that and they get so mad at you. Like you make a very solid case to show how easy it is for an illegal to vote, for instance, and they get so mad at you.

[Sean Ryan]

Wow, dude,

[Nick Shirley]

we have some serious problems taking place in the country right now.

[Sean Ryan]

Has there been any chatter about how they're going to fix this?

[Nick Shirley]

Well, they're trying to pass the SAVE act, which would require voter ID in federal elections in California. They actually just, they got enough signatures to be able to put that on. I think it's a proposition to require voter ID inside the state of California and we'll see if it gets passed.

[Sean Ryan]

I mean, they still have to enforce it. It's just like what you were saying earlier about what Gavin Newsom said. I mean, it's great he tried to fix it, but you still have to enforce it.

[Nick Shirley]

Yeah, you still need to enforce it. And you actually need to serve the people of your state, whether they're Republican or Democrat, if this many people want it. It's not like an 80, 20 issue. I would say that's a 9010 issue. I think everyone can come to their senses and say we should show our ID when we go and vote.

[Sean Ryan]

Well, what, I mean, did you get any, did you get the pulse of the citizens there? Did you talk to anybody? Do they want that?

[Nick Shirley]

If you ask anybody and you have a conversation with them, they will come to their senses and say that makes sense. And the majority of People I talk to think it needs to happen. I did speak to one individual. He's like, no, I don't need. Why would I need that? I'm like, well, you need it when you go to the airport. It's like, even at that, I don't want to do it. I said, well, like, that's the thing. That's the logic of that person who doesn't want it. It's like, it's just too much effort.

[Sean Ryan]

How are you received there? Does everybody hate you in California?

[Nick Shirley]

No, people love me in California.

[Sean Ryan]

Really?

[Nick Shirley]

Like, literally everywhere I go, more people love me than don't like me, because they're seeing through. They're seeing these scams and these fraud take place. It's just that small group that get upset. It's the fraudsters. They also happen to be the most outspoken, the most violent, and the most vicious.

[Sean Ryan]

What's going on on skid Row?

[Nick Shirley]

Skid row, they will get homeless people to sign these petitions saying that they're somebody to get enough. Enough names to then pass, like, propositions or to be able to pass bills or to be able to, like, they'll use homeless people to get votes, to be able to go through with whatever political campaign is taking place. That's been happening for a long time. So, like, Cam Higbee, James o', Keefe, they did a very good expose on that, showing, like, how easy it is. And people are paying people, like, five bucks. Here's five bucks for a signature. I've seen that take place on skid row as well.

[Sean Ryan]

We know I got something here of children living in tents in skid row. What is that all about?

[Nick Shirley]

Yeah, so then skid row, I got. I saved a kid and his mom who were homeless. They had been homeless for about 10 days or so on skid row. And I put him in a hotel, put on my social media saying this is happening. And within a few days, we got the kid out of the streets and into a shelter where he's now enrolled into school. Meanwhile, there's nos that receive millions of dollars inside of skid row. And they left the kid and his mom all alone, sleeping in a tent next to drug addicts, next to gang members.

[Sean Ryan]

This is like a legit single mother trying to care for her kids, living in a fucking tent. Yes, Skid row.

[Nick Shirley]

Yeah. Because, I mean, a lot of homeless people, maybe it happens to them for a week, or it happens to them for two weeks. They're trying to. They get kicked out of a house, and they need to get. They need to get put back on their feet. And so then they become homeless. But they have these kids, and these kids should be like the number one priority for a state. And so I was filming a whole separate video and I see this kid in this tent. I said, well, like, who am I to go out and do this journalism? Or who am I to go show people what's happening and actually not be a part of the solution? So I see this kid, I'm like, okay, well, this is not happening. Like, we're not gonna let you sleep here in this tent. We're gonna get you in a hotel. I'm gonna make sure we get the hotel. And we're gonna send your mom to. We're gonna send your mom $500, and by that time we're gonna find somebody to take care of you and your mom. So within literally three days, we were able to get a kid off the street of skid row, into a hotel and then into a housing system that then gets him enrolled into school. And it had nothing to do with the government.

[Sean Ryan]

Good man. Good man. How bad is it? I mean, you've been to California a couple times before, right?

[Nick Shirley]

It's really bad.

[Sean Ryan]

Has there been any improvements?

[Nick Shirley]

No, in fact, it honestly just gets worse.

[Sean Ryan]

Describe to me how bad it is.

[Nick Shirley]

Like, homeless wise, it's everywhere.

[Sean Ryan]

What do you mean everywhere?

[Nick Shirley]

Like, you'll be in Beverly Hills one block away, you'll have a person pass down fentanyl, or you'll have a person living in a tent. And the quality of life there for people have just come to their senses, like, oh, we're just going to live with it, but you don't actually have to live like that. Like this wasn't happening 20, 30 years ago. From everyone I talked to in California, they're like, this is not what California was. That's why people are so upset about it. Because now you have these people hooked on fentanyl, they're doing drugs, and then you have a state that continues to give billions and billions of money, but it just gets worse and worse. And so this, this homeless industrial complex that they've created inside of California, they've figured out that if they receive more money, well, if we receive more money, why would we stop? The solution? Because then we stop receiving more money. And so each person, each NGO is actually incentivized to keep the homeless going because it makes them more money. They're able to buy more properties with that money, they're able to build up their assets and they're able to get rich while homeless Continues to run, like, rampant.

[Sean Ryan]

Wait, so people are opening shelters? Is this.

[Nick Shirley]

Yes. So I have another video coming out I haven't posted yet. And in that video, we kind of investigate the homeless industrial complex and we see where all this money's going. Because, for instance, $24 billion went unaccounted for just a few years ago. Nobody knows where that money went. Well, money goes somewhere, so you can, you can track it. And a lot of these NGOs, they go up and buy these hotels or they buy these apartment complexes. And a lot of times they're actually not even housing homeless people. They're housing low income individuals and then putting them on that are then on section 8. And so then the NGOs then continue to receive money from the government who pay the section 8. So the person renting the apartment might only have to pay $30. Meanwhile, the government's giving them $1,800 for that apartment. And so these NGOs, then they just continue to buy up these apartment complexes or these hotels, and they just accumulate more and more and more in assets.

[Sean Ryan]

So this is a big business.

[Nick Shirley]

Big business.

[Sean Ryan]

Is this happening everywhere?

[Nick Shirley]

California is like the worst of it. I think it does happen in other states. Like, for instance, in New York City, their average spend for a homeless person is $81,000. That's more than the median household income inside the state, inside of New York City. So take care of one homeless person, it's $81,000 in New York City.

[Sean Ryan]

$81,000.

[Nick Shirley]

That's how much money.

[Sean Ryan]

What does that go to?

[Nick Shirley]

To the housing. Like, literally, like, who knows? Like one of the key aspects is the housing, but $81,000, and that's more

[Sean Ryan]

than the median income.

[Nick Shirley]

Yeah, it's just equal.

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[Nick Shirley]

And it wasn't like that five, 10 years ago.

[Sean Ryan]

There's, there's like nothing in this country that makes a damn bit of sense anymore.

[Nick Shirley]

No. And it's actually, it just pisses me off. And I think that's why you're starting to see so many people look at these issues and be like, okay, let's just figure this out because this is costing everyone so much money. Our quality of life's actually not getting better and we're just seeing a lot of these politicians, these NGOs enrich themselves. Meanwhile, we're still doing our day to day, working hard, paying taxes, and all this corruption.

[Sean Ryan]

Our country looks like shit. You're describing it Right now. Tents, Fentanyl, needles, bums everywhere, trash all over the place. Our road system sucks. Our power grid sucks.

[Show Host]

I mean, it's.

[Sean Ryan]

It's. Then you go to some other countries. It doesn't look like that. No, not everywhere.

[Show Host]

But, you know, we keep.

[Sean Ryan]

We keep getting fed this nonsense, oh,

[Show Host]

we're the best country in the world.

[Sean Ryan]

I don't. Are we? Are we. We.

[Nick Shirley]

We should be.

[Sean Ryan]

You're damn right we should be.

[Nick Shirley]

That's what makes me mad.

[Sean Ryan]

Looks like shit here.

[Nick Shirley]

Yeah, it really does in a lot. In every big city in America, you can go somewhere and you'll see people passed out on fentanyl. For instance, I literally walked over a dead body in San Francisco. And then a little kid then walked over that dead body.

[Sean Ryan]

Oh, man.

[Nick Shirley]

And so it's like this suicidal empathy that's killing our country. And then when you do try to bring out the solution, you're attacked. Like, people come after you for trying to.

[Sean Ryan]

It's interesting. I mean, who's.

[Show Host]

That's.

[Sean Ryan]

That's what I mean. That's why I was asking, when you go to California or any of these other places, you know, how are you treated? You're. You're telling me that everybody loves you there, they want you there. They want you to uncover this shit. Where are the attacks coming from?

[Show Host]

Because I see it.

[Sean Ryan]

I see it on your social. They're just hammering you. I saw the meme from Nuisance Team.

[Nick Shirley]

So that's the problem, is you, like, Even if it's 1%, that's a few million people, like, in the country. So if it's 1%, that's 3 million people, which is a ton of people. And they're going to be a lot louder than the other 300 million. So I'll give you, like, a good example. I'm at this gas station in California. Some guy comes up and he yells like, f you, Nick Shirley. At the same time, some other man comes up to me, he grabs my hand, and he says, you have no idea how many people are praying for you. And so. And he says it super silent, like, very quietly, very humble. Meanwhile, you have this other person yelling, f you, Nick Shirley. So you have that 1% that is literally crazy, like, literally insane. And then you have the vast majority who see what you're doing and are supporting you. But that 1% is a lot of people. If you're in a crowd of. If you're in a big crowd, 1% can make a big difference.

[Sean Ryan]

What is this new video you said you're working on?

[Nick Shirley]

Yeah, it's going to be about the homeless industrial complex in California.

[Sean Ryan]

What else you got? When's this releasing?

[Nick Shirley]

Yeah, it's going to come out in the coming weeks.

[Sean Ryan]

Okay.

[Nick Shirley]

I've been traveling a lot, so I need to sit down, be at it all. I'm working on that. I have some other fraud cases I'm looking into.

[Sean Ryan]

You want to talk about it? This isn't going to come out for a couple of weeks.

[Nick Shirley]

Yeah, we can, we can talk about it.

[Sean Ryan]

Let's do it.

[Nick Shirley]

Essentially, these NGOs are literally just becoming like these mega enterprises that are receiving millions and millions of dollars. And I mean, some NGOs, their assets are upwards of half a billion dollars.

[Sean Ryan]

Half a billion dollars?

[Nick Shirley]

Yes. They've been able to accumulate that much money in assets. And they'll buy like a hotel for instance, and then they'll value that hotel room for $200,000. And it's really like a 10 by 10 room with a shower in the back. And these aren't just in bad areas. Like one of the parts. I'll show my videos. A hotel in Encino, California, that's one of the wealthiest zip codes in the Los Angeles area. Just next to it are $10 million mansions. And they're going to be bringing in troubled youth and homeless individuals into this hotel next to these $10 million mansions.

[Sean Ryan]

I bet they love that.

[Nick Shirley]

Yeah. And then people still are still going to vote for a Democrat. Like people are still going to vote for the people that continue to let this happen. Like, I think Karen Bass is still going to win. Hopefully she doesn't, but I think she might win for mayor again in la.

[Sean Ryan]

Oh boy. Oh man. How about the theft? You remember what, right before what? I guess for the past about four years we've just been seeing just mobs of people. Ramsack, Target jewelry stores, the Apple store, anything in sight. Is that stuff still going on? Have you seen that stuff going on still?

[Nick Shirley]

I think that slowed down. I think they changed whatever was allowing people to steal upwards of $900 and walk away.

[Sean Ryan]

They did change that.

[Show Host]

What did they start enforcing the law?

[Nick Shirley]

I think they started to enforce the law. I'm not 100% sure on that, but I know at one point you were able to steal, I believe upwards of $900.

[Show Host]

Do you think that was over embellished?

[Nick Shirley]

What do you mean by that?

[Sean Ryan]

Do you think that the media was over embellishing how common that was?

[Show Host]

No, I have no idea.

[Sean Ryan]

I don't go there.

[Nick Shirley]

No, I remember.

[Show Host]

I don't go to California.

[Sean Ryan]

I See what I say? I'm like, I don't need to go there.

[Nick Shirley]

No, they weren't actually in cvs. You have to literally wait for somebody to come and lock the door so you can buy deodorant. People were stealing everything. In fact, if you just wait a lot, wait around long enough out of CVS in California, you'll catch someone shoplifting. And a lot of the stores are just, like, leaving. They did a lot of damage to the country. Underneath Biden, like, underneath those underneath. From, like, 2020 to 2024, a lot of damage took place. Like, damage that is hard to fix.

[Sean Ryan]

What do you think motivated them to start enforcing the law?

[Nick Shirley]

People leaving the state, A lot of high wealth individuals decided to leave. People complain.

[Sean Ryan]

They. They all left for taxes.

[Nick Shirley]

Yeah. But I mean, just like, the average person who's living inside that city, they don't want to have to live with that. Like, a mom shouldn't have to worry about her son walking over a dead body. Like I saw in San Francisco.

[Sean Ryan]

Yeah, yeah.

[Nick Shirley]

It's like the suicidal empathy that's killing the country. And like, this straight up delusion, like this brainwashing, like, people can't think critical these days.

[Sean Ryan]

I feel like, well, that's no shit. What else you got coming up? You know what's peaking your interest?

[Nick Shirley]

Like, the fraud's really bad. I do want to get back to doing some, like, international videos. Like, I did a lot of, like, work in, like, El Salvador, where I went and showed what was happening. Like, that was super fun to go, and I was, like, the first one ever to report on the prisons there or to go to the favelas in Brazil. It's just now harder for me to, like, move around in the United States, like, go film a video.

[Sean Ryan]

Yeah, I'll bet it is.

[Nick Shirley]

The fraudsters, like, they're on high alert. Protesters are on high alert, too, because a lot of the protesting here in the United States isn't organic either. And they're that crazy 1%. Because I was popular before all this stuff. Like, I still had, like, millions of followers, and now it's gone up exponentially. And fraudsters always complain the loudest, and they don't want. They don't want to be exposed.

[Sean Ryan]

You're gonna have to come up with some good disguises.

[Nick Shirley]

I know that's what people keep telling me to do, but also, I actually like just going like, as I am, like, okay, answer the question. If you have nothing to hide, just answer the question. If you do, you're gonna run or you're gonna scream and shout and you're gonna expose yourself.

[Sean Ryan]

Are you getting to report back to the administration now or are you. Do you have a direct line in?

[Nick Shirley]

No. Like me, I think that's why I've been so effective, because I'm not working for the federal government. I'm just a one man going out and doing it. And if they want to see the video on x or on YouTube and then go investigate, go ahead. I wouldn't mind if they like sent me, opened up some of the databases, like I think they should open up all the databases to the public. And that's why they're actually having such a big problem with like fraud in like New York for instance. Like the home health care is like the number one business inside of New York right now is home health care. People will sign up to watch their grandmas and make money from the government, but New York doesn't want to give over that information, Which is a, which is a problem.

[Show Host]

Have you been in contact with. No,

[Nick Shirley]

not really. No.

[Sean Ryan]

No.

[Show Host]

He did have some key points. California acted first. He signed the Senate Bill 664 in 2001 to ban all new hospice licenses years before the Trump administration started talking about the issue and extended

[Nick Shirley]

the

[Sean Ryan]

moratorium

[Show Host]

through January of 2027. California is a top fraud recovery state. California ranked fourth in the US in 2024 in dollars received per medical enrollee across civil and criminal investigations. Leading all other large states including Texas,

[Sean Ryan]

Florida and New York. Trump dismantled federal oversight.

[Show Host]

Have you heard all this stuff I've

[Nick Shirley]

heard about him with the moratorium, anything like that? But like I said, the damage had already been done.

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[Sean Ryan]

All right, I got a hot question for you. You ready?

[Nick Shirley]

Ready.

[Show Host]

All right. So we actually used Claude AI to scrape the Internet for the most viral moments tied to your name and here's

[Sean Ryan]

what it came up with.

[Show Host]

There was some controversy around your Channel

[Sean Ryan]

5 interview with Andrew Callahan. A lot of people online were bashing you online for the word benevolent. What? What's your response to that interview?

[Nick Shirley]

Yeah, that interview with Andrew. It was a two and a half hour long interview he cut it down to an hour long interview. So imagine me and you have this conversation for two hours and you just chop out an hour of the conversation.

[Sean Ryan]

Everything that you say, yeah,

[Nick Shirley]

like that's not how a podcast works.

[Sean Ryan]

Oh, man.

[Nick Shirley]

And that was very like, messed up on his part, I believe, to go out, go about and doing that. I was very kind. I let him come to the location where I had. I told him to film it. He actually made me mad too. But first, so I had. That was like 72 hours after I posted the, the video. I've been off, functioning off of literally like six hours of sleep that day or six hours of sleep those past three days. I said, like, me and Andrew, our boys, let's do the interview. I'm like, like I'm down to have a conversation in the text prior. He's like, oh, I've been getting docs and stuff like that. I said, yeah, like, here's the location. Come film. And so then I see the interview and I see, I'm like, wait, what is this? Like, this is like all chopped up. You don't put in your answers to the questions where you know you were wrong as well. Like, that's not a fair interview. And luckily I had filmed it on the back end too.

[Sean Ryan]

Nice. Did you release it?

[Nick Shirley]

Yeah, I released it.

[Sean Ryan]

Good man.

[Nick Shirley]

And I'm not going to say that was my best interview by any means. Like I wasn't functioning at 100%.

[Sean Ryan]

Yeah.

[Nick Shirley]

To be honest, I just thought like, like I thought we were boys and obviously we aren't, man. And yeah, I mean, I messed up on the word benevolent. My bad.

[Sean Ryan]

Have you heard, have you heard from him since?

[Nick Shirley]

He then made a full reaction video to the video. And what makes me mad is he knew that, not to say the city I was in. And he does that in the reaction video. I was like, cable, you just doxed me.

[Sean Ryan]

What an asshole.

[Nick Shirley]

Yeah, exactly.

[Sean Ryan]

Wow. Wow.

[Show Host]

You just met Elon Musk and you were awarded $100,000 from X for your investigative article. What was your conversation with Elon Musk? And is there something bigger coming between

[Sean Ryan]

you and Elon that you haven't announced yet?

[Nick Shirley]

I think we both just wanted to meet each other. And the first thing I said to Elon was just like, thank you. Said like, thank you Forex for having a platform where real world change can take place. Because all these other social media platforms, like YouTube, for instance, I post that Minnesota video, it got 4 million views. I post on X, it got 150 million views. And within seven days, all together, across all social media, across the Internet, that video got 4 billion views.

[Sean Ryan]

Whoa, whoa. 4 billion views? Holy shit, dude.

[Nick Shirley]

Yes.

[Show Host]

Holy cow.

[Nick Shirley]

And I said, thank you.

[Show Host]

My whole channel has like 2 billion views.

[Nick Shirley]

Yeah. So that Minnesota video, my gosh, it's the most viral video potentially ever in the Internet. The most viral video on X. That's what they told me at X as well. And so I said, like, thank you. Like, your platform is where real world change can happen. Like, this can't happen anywhere else. And I. I don't think too many people actually, like, say thank you to Elon Musk. Like, do people realize what he's actually done for society? Like, between Starlink, between Tesla, between X, between the tunnels? Like, do people realize how much this man has done PayPal too? Like, do people actually realize how much impact this man has had on society? And everyone just wants to demonize Elon Musk. And so I'm sitting there, I'm looking at him just eye to eye. I'm like, wow. Like, this man has done a lot for society and he's taking his time to just talk with me. I think we both just wanted to meet each other and to have a conversation.

[Sean Ryan]

I mean, not only that, he's also motivated an entire new generation of innovators. When they're all building. Not all of them, but a lot of them. I interview a lot of them. That's it. That's their inspiration. And a lot of them are building, are innovating things that are going to go along with his mission to Mars or whatever. Whatever. I mean, it's just, it's, It's. It's huge.

[Nick Shirley]

100%. And just.

[Sean Ryan]

He's inspired.

[Nick Shirley]

Yeah. And just like, the drive to still be doing this, like, he doesn't need to be like. But he's not money driven.

[Sean Ryan]

Yeah.

[Nick Shirley]

And everyone wants to get mad at him for having money. I'm like, that's just what happens when you provide such value to the world.

[Sean Ryan]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Nick Shirley]

And so we talk. And I was super nervous to initially go in there because, like, the first floor of X is like the first. So there's. The first floor of X is kind of like more like a common area. And like, there's like a cafeteria and they have their offices where they're doing certain stuff. And then you get up to the second level where he's at, and that's like more. More like serious vibe. Like, all the lights are dimmed. There's a lot more. A lot more like, artwork of, like, the space X. Like, the, like, X, like the. The galaxy and stuff like that. And then you get back to where Elon is, and he has all. All his security, and there's windows, and he has security everywhere. Like, almost nearly every single window, there's a security guard. And so then his assistant comes and grabs me, and I walk over to Elon and take my hand, take me in. We have this conversation and we. Like, Like I said. The first thing I said is like, thank you, like, for what you've done. And I told him, like, some things I think he, like, that ex could improve on. And then I was super nervous. I had, like, a whole itinerary of stuff I thought I was going to have to, like, lead this conversation. And then we just started talking about, like, the fraud and his experience with exposing the fraud and, like, how incompetent the government can be at times. He told me, like, in PayPal, when they were building PayPal, they'd, like, come up. They'd make these cases of the people that are committing the fraud and give them to the FBI. And he'd be like, go, like. Like, arrest these people in the FBI. Wouldn't do it. Or. Or it'd take a long, longer time. And he kind of talked about how kind of incompetent the government can be. And then we just talked about, like, how corrupt it is and, like, how suppressed we could become. What will happen if we do become suppressed and oppressed from. From the government?

[Sean Ryan]

What does he say will happen potentially,

[Nick Shirley]

like, a war could break out or states could start to secede. We talked. I mentioned, like, yeah, like, I. One of the reasons why I got into this is because I started to see what's happening in the uk I told him this, and he's like, I can't even go to the uk. He's like. He said, I think I'd be arrested. And he says, people don't realize how bad it is until we are oppressed to a point.

[Sean Ryan]

Yeah, man.

[Nick Shirley]

Can you imagine being in my position, just, like, sitting there talking with Elon? It was very surreal.

[Sean Ryan]

I'll bet it was, man. I bet it was.

[Nick Shirley]

You want to hear something funny, though?

[Sean Ryan]

Yeah.

[Nick Shirley]

So I probably had, like, the craziest 72 hours of my life, because within 72 hours, I met the richest man in the world. Then the most powerful man in the world talks about me in a cabinet meeting, and then I meet the vice president as well, all within 72 hours.

[Sean Ryan]

Pretty wild, isn't it?

[Nick Shirley]

Yeah. I also went to seven different states in between those 72 hours. To, like, make all this stuff happen.

[Sean Ryan]

Life's a hell of a ride, isn't it?

[Nick Shirley]

Yeah, it really is. It's fun.

[Sean Ryan]

I'll bet. It's awesome. Well, Nick, I can't wait to see what you got coming next.

[Nick Shirley]

Thank you.

[Sean Ryan]

Keep going, man.

[Nick Shirley]

I will.

[Sean Ryan]

It's important.

[Nick Shirley]

Thank you. You've been actually one of the first. One of the first people who openly, like, supported me. I remember seeing your tweets. Like, you said something about, like, this kid has it, essentially. And then someone's like. Someone's like, what makes you think that? And you. And you literally said, just wait and see.

[Sean Ryan]

I was right, wasn't I?

[Nick Shirley]

You were. Foreign.

[Show Host]

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