#145 Angela Ford - Meet the Army Psychic Who Tracked Spies, Hostages and Fugitives

Summary

Shawn Ryan Show – Episode Summary Title: Processing... Release Date: November 19, 2024 Host: Shawn Ryan Guest: Angela Ford

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Introduction

In this engaging episode of the "Shawn Ryan Show," host Shawn Ryan welcomes Angela Ford, a seasoned remote viewer with over three decades of experience in the intelligence community. Angela's unique background as a member of the U.S. Army's remote viewing program at Fort Meade and her current role as a teacher at the Monroe Institute provide a fascinating insight into the world of remote viewing and psychic phenomena.

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Angela Ford’s Background and Career in Intelligence

Shawn Ryan begins by introducing Angela Ford, highlighting her extensive experience within the intelligence community and her participation in the Stargate program. Angela clarifies that remote viewing is akin to extrasensory perception (ESP), emphasizing its methodological aspects over its spiritual connotations.

Angela Ford [04:28]: "Remote viewing is nothing more than ESP. It's a nice term that the scientists used... It takes away from the spirituality."

Angela recounts her early life in Indiana County, Pennsylvania, her Italian heritage, and her profound early experiences with out-of-body phenomena starting at the age of three. Her mother, also psychic, played a significant role in nurturing her abilities.

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Remote Viewing in the Intelligence Community

Shawn delves into Angela's tenure with the Army Intelligence program, discussing how she was recruited into the remote viewing program despite initial resistance from her superiors due to her existing psychic practices like automatic writing.

Angela Ford [07:06]: "When I went to work for the unit, they wanted me to use the right way to be psychic... So I did extended remote viewing."

Angela explains the structure of the remote viewing operations at Fort Meade, detailing the daily routines and the separation between administrative tasks and remote viewing sessions.

Angela Ford [72:42]: "We had two buildings, and one building is where we had our desks and where we would do our reports. And then you had a second building where you would go remote view."

She shares remarkable instances where her remote viewing accurately predicted the locations of hostages and fugitives, such as locating Marine Colonel Rich Higgins in Lebanon and identifying Charles Jordan, a rogue customs agent.

Angela Ford [65:49]: "When I remote viewed him, I said he was in Lowell, Wyoming... They found him after matching my information."

Despite her successes, Angela faced skepticism and resistance within the military, particularly because her intuitive abilities were harder to control compared to her colleagues trained in the strict methodologies of coordinate remote viewing.

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Personal Experiences and Beliefs

Shawn shifts the conversation to Angela's personal ventures, exploring her beliefs in reincarnation, mediumship, and other metaphysical concepts. Angela discusses her experiences with channeling and automatic writing, recounting interactions with both positive and negative spiritual entities.

Angela Ford [80:58]: "For every positive, there's a negative."

Angela shares a poignant story about her sister's experience with a negative spirit named Maury, which was resolved through guidance from Fred Mansbridge, leading them to reframe the spirit as Maurice, a positive entity.

Her belief in reincarnation is rooted in personal experiences and past-life explorations, though she acknowledges the lack of scientific evidence. Angela emphasizes the importance of karma groups—connecting souls across lifetimes to resolve past interactions and learn essential life lessons.

Angela Ford [90:44]: "Because it just makes... we have things to work out with them."

Angela also recounts a childhood UFO sighting and her belief in extraterrestrial assistance in constructing ancient monuments like Stonehenge and the pyramids, suggesting a harmonious relationship between humans and advanced beings in history.

Angela Ford [103:56]: "I felt like there was some type of supernatural help or energy there."

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Mediumship and Psychic Abilities

The discussion transitions to mediumship and the ability to communicate with spirits. Angela describes how her sister experienced negative spirits through automatic writing, which they overcame by reorienting their communication towards positive guides.

Angela Ford [82:45]: "Every time somebody died, people find coins... it's a sign they're with you."

Angela believes in accessing higher realms and reunions with soul families after death, supporting her belief in mediumship and the continuity of consciousness beyond physical demise.

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Teaching and the Monroe Institute

Post-retirement from federal service, Angela contributes her expertise to the Monroe Institute, where she instructs others in remote viewing. She outlines her teaching methodology, focusing on helping students effectively report their remote viewing experiences and encouraging personalized learning paths.

Angela Ford [152:11]: "I just teach the second part of remote... teaching people how to remote view."

She distinguishes between remote viewing and hemisync, explaining that the latter involves specific frequencies to facilitate out-of-body experiences.

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Notable Stories and Anecdotes

Angela shares intriguing anecdotes, such as her interaction with Yuri Geller and the uncanny validation of her remote viewing work by external events. One standout story involves assisting in the capture of an Australian spy named Jeff Baker through remote viewing, showcasing the practical applications of her abilities.

Angela Ford [141:50]: "He signed it for me. It says, 'for Angela, much energy and love, Uri Geller.'"

Another remarkable instance is her remote viewing session for the St. Louis Ark, which led to a serendipitous encounter with Yuri Geller, further cementing the interconnectedness of her psychic work.

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Conclusion

Shawn Ryan and Angela Ford conclude the episode by reflecting on the profound nature of psychic abilities, intuition, and the unseen forces that guide human experiences. Angela emphasizes the importance of trusting one's intuition and being mindful of manifesting positive outcomes in life.

Angela Ford [50:57]: "Nothing is a coincidence."

The episode offers listeners a deep dive into the complexities of remote viewing, the intersection of spirituality and intelligence work, and the personal journeys of individuals like Angela Ford who bridge these worlds.

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Notable Quotes

• Angela Ford [04:28]: "Remote viewing is nothing more than ESP. It's a nice term that the scientists used... It takes away from the spirituality."

• Angela Ford [80:58]: "For every positive, there's a negative."

• Angela Ford [82:45]: "Every time somebody died, people find coins... it's a sign they're with you."

• Angela Ford [50:57]: "Nothing is a coincidence."

• Angela Ford [140:46]: "He signed it for me. It says, 'for Angela, much energy and love, Uri Geller.'"

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Final Thoughts

This episode of the Shawn Ryan Show provides a comprehensive exploration of Angela Ford's extraordinary career and personal experiences with remote viewing and psychic abilities. Listeners gain valuable insights into how these abilities are utilized within intelligence operations and the profound personal beliefs that guide individuals in their understanding of the metaphysical world.

Transcript

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[Sean Ryan]

Angela Ford, welcome to the show.

[Angela Ford]

Thank you. I'm glad to be here and thank you for the opportunity.

[Sean Ryan]

Well, thank you for being here and I am very humbled to be here with you right now. And so you first kind of popped up on my radar when I interviewed Joe McMonagle. He had brought you up in the interview and I asked Joe to connect us, if he would connect us. And he said he'd be happy to. And then I interviewed another one of your former colleagues. Actually sounds like both of them are still colleagues to this day, but Edwin May. Yeah, another fascinating guy. And man, everybody in this space has just been so nice to talk to and, and, and I love the subject matter. So I'm very happy you're here.

[Angela Ford]

I'm happy to be here. Thank you.

[Sean Ryan]

Thank you for coming. So everybody starts off with a introduction here. And so.

[Joe McMonagle]

Angela Ford, you're a remote viewer 079. You have worked for 32 years in the intelligence community.

[Sean Ryan]

You are a member of the US Army's remote viewing at Fort Meade, Maryland from 1986 to 1985.

[Angela Ford]

1995.

[Sean Ryan]

Excuse me, 1995. You are currently a teacher at the Monroe Institute and participant and participate in occasional projects with Dr. Ed May at the Laboratories of Fundamental Research, LFR.

[Joe McMonagle]

You're one of the few female remote viewers in the Stargate program used to use automatic writing.

[Sean Ryan]

Discovery Channel aired a reenactment of a case that you solved for the U.S. customs in 1989. You were given special acknowledgement acknowledgement in former Secretary of Defense William Cohen's book Murder in the Senate. You have been written about in Annie.

[Joe McMonagle]

Jacobson's book Phenomena the Secret history of.

[Sean Ryan]

The U.S. government's investigations into Extrasensory perception and psychokinesis. Do you know Annie? Yes, I just interviewed her too. Yeah, and another, another, another interview. I loved and I just really happy I connected with her as well. But so we got a couple things to knock out before we get in the weeds. I have a, a subscription, a subscription network on Patreon. And they are our top supporters. Many of them have been with me since the very beginning. And I wouldn't be here today if it wasn't for them. And neither would we be having this conversation. So one of the things that I offer them is the opportunity to ask each guest a question. And so I thought this was a good question because a lot of people kind of categorize spirituality with remote viewing and ESP type stuff. So this is from Paul. Have you known any remote viewers who have claimed negative spiritual experiences in the process of their remote viewing?

[Angela Ford]

No, no, no. Because people that I know were trained in remote viewing. Okay. Remote viewing is nothing more than esp. When somebody remote views to gather intelligence, it's nothing more than what a psychic does. The information is out there. When somebody receives psychic information, it's mental. So the information goes to the brain and then it goes onto the paper. Whether you're doing coordinate remote viewing, extended remote viewing, whether you're using tarot cards, whether you're using a crystal ball, that's the manifestation. Manifestation of the information. So remote viewing is nothing more than being. Than esp. It's a nice term that the scientists used. It's a nice term to use if you're trying to get money from Congress instead of saying psychic and remote. What makes remote viewing? Remote viewing is the methodology, meaning that the remote viewer, the psychic and the people involved in the remote viewing process are blind to the target. That is what remote. What makes remote viewing is the methodology. But if you ask a psychic, we're going to do a remote viewing session, they're going to go into session and they're going to do whatever they need to do to gather the information. And you can't tell, you can't tell anyone. You can't tell a psychic. Oh, well, you can't do that. You have to do this. Although in the Stargate program they did have the coordinate remote viewing methodology because it was a manual. It was written by, it was by Stanford Research Institute made the manual. It was nice to have to kind of show Congress that it's more technical. It took away from the spirituality or. But the army took it as military likes to train. So when the army people saw this manual of coordinate remote Viewing, then they kind of made it their bible. And this is remote viewing. But actually, when somebody remote views, they're just being a psychic. I mean, you can see it, you could feel it, you can hear it. Whatever happens in a session, you don't know.

[Sean Ryan]

Okay, okay, that makes sense.

[Angela Ford]

Now as now, not now. I've had other people who claim that they're psychic, that if they've had. Had negative experiences. And I've had negative experiences. And I remembered whenever I had started training as a psychic, I was very young, a woman told me, she said, angela, you're going to see positive, but you're going to see negative. You're going to feel negativity. Because this is what Earth, We. Earth is made of positive. There's positive and there's negativity. But I. I'm just not. It. Sometimes it's just there, but it goes. It's energy, it just kind of goes away. I've been doing it for so long and so much has happened to me. It just doesn't matter. But I do. You know, people call me up and they get a little nervous. They go, well, you know, I had this dream. And what does this mean? Or they may feel like. I. I just had a guy email me the other day. I think he got. He started seeing. I think he was seeing orbs in his third eye area. And I said. And I said, your third eye is, you know, it's a chakra center that's opening up. But I don't know. You know, I don't know. I just feel there is negative. And I know a lot of psychics that don't want to read people if they're negative. Well, good luck to that. I mean, we're not always going to be 100% positive all the time.

[Sean Ryan]

Yeah.

[Angela Ford]

And then I know people, healers and psychics, they bring a client in and they'll go through a whole exercise of, you know, talking, bringing the light, you know, blessing themselves. We only want good. It's just. I don't know, just I don't do all of that, but I guess. I don't know. I guess there's just negative and positive.

[Sean Ryan]

Well, changing the subject just a little bit. When I walked up here to start the interview, my editor was sitting here and you guys were having a conversation, and it sounds like you had somehow tapped into his health. Can you explain what was going on here?

[Angela Ford]

Yeah, he asked. He said, can you. He asked me if I could give him a reading sometimes. And I said, well, I said, I can do it now. So I just needed his. I needed to concentrate on something. So I asked him for his birthday and he gave me his birthday. And from his birthday I was able to tune in and I felt like he actually, I felt like he was going through a huge year of change, which he. Whenever he told me what was going. He is, yeah, Huge change.

[Sean Ryan]

He just moved.

[Angela Ford]

Yeah, yeah. And I. And I said, and it's the kind of aspect where people want change, but it could be more change than what you want. In other words, by the time this comes around in your life, you welcome change, but sometimes you get change that you don't want. And I said, you can even lose friends. Well, that made sense to him. And then I don't know why, I just. I don't know why I said, just. I said, do you have a delicate. I said, I just told him he had a delicate system. And he did say. I said, you have to eat light foods.

[Sean Ryan]

Interesting. So does that just come to you? How does it come?

[Angela Ford]

In many ways, Just Many, many ways. Just focusing. Well, just. I need a focus. I really do need a focus. And I knew I didn't have the birthday. His birthday kind of helped. I did some basic numerology and just. And then it's just that focus. And then it just kind of opens up the door. And then I can go from that. Interesting. It just opens up the door.

[Sean Ryan]

Could you, could you describe the chakras?

[Angela Ford]

Well, I guess there's. There's these points on your body, like your hands. I think there's one in the stomach area. It's called the solar plex. And then you have the kundalini, which is your spine. It comes up like a snake. And then you have the third eye and you have your feet. And a lot of times when people become very sensitive or psychic, these points, they kind of, they open up. It's sort of like we have an aura and these. And so it's sort of like as you become more aware or as you become more psychic, you're opening yourself up more to these energies. And so you become more sensitive. And it's a process. It's a process.

[Sean Ryan]

Interesting. So you become more in tune with.

[Angela Ford]

The environment, Become more in tune, become more in. Tuned.

[Sean Ryan]

Wow.

[Angela Ford]

And it's a process. I think it took me about nine months to go through a process.

[Sean Ryan]

Wow. I have one more question before we. We get into the life story. So not long ago, me and my wife went out to dinner with a. With a couple that's very good friends with us. And we talk about things like this and. And. And UFOs and IT. Stuff like that a lot. And my friend's wife was talking about. She was saying that she has dreams. I believe it was dreams, but she felt like somebody else was putting those visuals or messaging into her head. And so she would vocally say, hey, you're not welcome here. And I've seen some articles as of late that kind of talks a little bit about. I don't know if mind control is the right word, but kind of thought control. Is that a thing?

[Angela Ford]

Yeah, a lot of people get. It's sort of like whenever you go to a haunted house and you see a spirit, it's the same thing. It's not like she. It's it. I think what she needs to do is just recognize. And just say, you know, I recognize what you're doing here. And, you know, and if you can recognize what's going on. And she could say something like, look, I recognize what's going on here, and why do you want me to have this information? But I'd rather not have it. It's just. It's almost like if you see a ghost or a. It's like, hi, I know you're here. It's. Recognize it. And once. Once you wreck. It's like they want to be recognized, and then it just goes away.

[Sean Ryan]

I think what she was thinking was going on is that. Basically what I'm getting at is, would it be possible for a remote viewer to inject a thought or a certain feeling or maybe information into another individual's mental status?

[Angela Ford]

Yeah.

[Sean Ryan]

Have you heard of that before?

[Angela Ford]

Yeah, because that's what they. Yeah, because if somebody. I think at one point they were. It was always thought that, like, if somebody was kidnapped, if they would. They were trying to tell people if they were kidnapped. Start concentrating on if. I think, like a remote viewer could find the person. If the person would start. Suppose you were kidnapped and somebody wanted me to find you. You could start saying, you know, explaining where you are or what you're going through, and I could tap into that.

[Sean Ryan]

No kidding?

[Angela Ford]

Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. That's what they want. Yeah. It's telepathy. That's called telepathy.

[Sean Ryan]

Have you done that?

[Angela Ford]

A couple. Yeah. Well, I have done that with. Yeah, with my sister. I did it a couple of times. Telepathy.

[Sean Ryan]

Can you describe that experience?

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[Angela Ford]

Okay, there was one instance where. And I don't know if this is. I don't. Okay. When I was working for the government, I was working for Army Intelligence. I had heard that there was one of my college professors that just started working at. At the Pentagon. And I guess I kept meaning to call him to get in touch with him. Well, one evening he was out and he saw my sister, and so they talked, and my sister came home and I was sleeping, so I went to work the next day, and I called the guy and he said, oh. He said, I bet your sister told me to call. I bet your sister told you to call me. And I said, no, I haven't talked to my sister. And so he felt like, oh, wow. He said, you must be psychic, because I just saw your sister less than 24 hours ago. But somehow I must have known to call him, even though she didn't tell me that she saw him. But another instance I had with my sister was. I. We were. She was in the. We were living in an apartment, and I had to. She had a. I don't know what she did. She would keep forgetting a certain house key or something. So every time she would come in, I'd have to. And I can remember always just kind of sending her a message. Don't forget the. Don't forget the key. Don't forget the key. And I almost. At one point, I could almost see her going back for the key and reaching for it. So I. Later on that day when I saw her, I said, did you almost forget the key? And I knew what time she had left. I knew what time she left. Well, I kept saying, don't forget the key. Don't forget the key. Either she was going to lock herself out or I was going to get there and I would have to leave her in. And I can remember saying, don't projecting. Don't forget the key. And then I kind of saw this image, and I could see her going back for the key. And I. And I recorded the time. So when I saw her later, I said, did you almost. What time did you leave the apartment? And she told me, and I said, did you almost forget the key? She said, yeah, I had to come back for it.

[Sean Ryan]

Wow. Wow, that's. That stuff is just fascinating to me. Absolutely fascinating. Well, before we get into your life story, everybody gets a gift.

[Angela Ford]

Oh, thank you. Thank you. Oh, this is nice. Oh, goodies, goodies.

[Sean Ryan]

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[Angela Ford]

Oh, yeah. My husband. I'm gonna keep these away from my husband. He has these all throughout the house. But no, thank you.

[Sean Ryan]

You're welcome. You're welcome. But. All right, Angela, so we're gonna start, okay, Right at the very beginning. Where did you grow up?

[Angela Ford]

I grew up in a small coal mining town in western Pennsylvania. I'm from Indiana County, Pennsylvania. It was where Jimmy Stewart was born and raised.

[Sean Ryan]

Oh, cool, cool.

[Angela Ford]

I'm Italian. I came from a large Italian family. Both sides of my family are Italian. And when I was very young, when I was very young, I had a lot of out of body experiences.

[Sean Ryan]

What age did that start?

[Angela Ford]

Oh, three, four, five, six. I can remember. I can remember when the. I guess they say at certain points of your life, I guess you get the spark of life or there's a spark. I can remember when I began to walk. I can remember this spark going in me. And I knew it. I recognized I was a baby, but I knew a spark went in me.

[Sean Ryan]

Wow.

[Angela Ford]

I was very aware of that. And I had a lot of. And I had a twin sister who had out of body experiences. Now I told my mother I would get up and I would tell my mother what my. What my. Oh, and then I started to have dreams. I started to have dreams and there were a lot of dreams. It was about a lot of things about world events when I was six years old. And I would tell my mother and my mother would listen to me. And there are a lot of things about China, a lot of things about Russia. I was only six years old and I would get up and talk about these dreams, but my mother would listen to me and she never discouraged me. And as a child growing up, I could now once I got into school and when I became busy, it didn't happen all the time. Things sort of faded away. But I was always curious in the subject because I knew I was flying out, you know, was leaving my body. I could see my body. I'm flying out the door, I'm walking through walls, I'm in the trees. So I. So I was always interested in the subject, but I didn't. So, you know, I'd go to maybe psychic sometime. But my mother was very interested in the subject. She had all really. Oh, my mother had all kind of paraphernalia laying around the house from Edgar Cayce to. She had a lot of Edgar Cayce mater old. She bought a whole encyclopedia of the occult. We still have the encyclopedia of the occult. My mother was into it. She would listen to Jeannie Dixon and what, Jorie Galler on tv. And she liked country Western music. And she believed in reincarnation. So as a teenager growing up, she'd talk about reincarnation and turn up that country music. And I thought she was weird. And I just wanted. I was so embarrassed when friends would come over and one time the car radio broke and I was so happy because then we didn't have to listen to the country music. And I was walking down the road because it's a coal mining town, the road, not the street and not on a sidewalk, but the road. And she had a transistor. And I was walking with my friends and she held that transistor out the window as she was driving and she said, listen, Angela. And it was like a new country western song. Singer was singing a new song, you know, but that's the way she was now. So I went to college at Indiana University of Pennsylvania. And the year that I graduated, my sister. I had a political science degree and my sister had a. Got. Received a criminology degree. And my sister said we should be state police. She loved criminology in the investigative work. So we decided that we were going to be. We were going to be applied to the police, to the Pennsylvania Police Academy. Well, it wasn't accepting new applicants that year. So we had graduated from college. The academy wasn't taking new applicants. I think I was just sort of. I was a waitress and I had nothing. So there was a man who taught a night class at the university that I attended. He was a chemistry teacher, but he was psychic and he taught an ESP class at night. So I took his ESP class class. And he was pretty, he was good. Like he'd put a. He'd make everybody write a number down and hide it from him. And then he'd go around and tell you what the number was. And I liked him a lot. But what happened was I was coming. I was coming down. The police academy wasn't going to open up. So my sister and I applied to the FBI and we were coming down to Washington D.C. to work for the FBI. So I got a call one day where I had to go to a factory to work at night. And I had to quit the class because I had to make money to come down to D.C. but I always remembered him and I remembered the class. So I came down to D.C. and then I worked for the FBI. There's no way we could have become agents. Our eyesight couldn't have done it. And it was very. It was a very low paying job. But we did, I did meet. There was a woman I knew who was dating an Indian, an American Indian. And my sister and I were invited one night. I guess it was a pow wow, they called it. And there was some tribal leader. He was. There was some tribal leader from the West. And he told my sister and I. He said. He said, did you have dreams when you were young, like the. And I said, yes. And he said, when you're in your 80s, whatever you dreamt about, it will be true.

[Sean Ryan]

Do you remember what you dreamt about?

[Angela Ford]

Yeah.

[Sean Ryan]

What did you dream about?

[Angela Ford]

That, actually. That we would not. We would not have the. That the enemy would be China. I know what's going on with Russia and the Ukraine. But that will be resolved. That will be resolved. And we will be friends with Russia again.

[Sean Ryan]

We will be.

[Angela Ford]

We will be. That was. I remembered that. And it was China. It was. China was the enemy.

[Sean Ryan]

Wow. That's what I believe.

[Angela Ford]

Yeah. And, you know, this was during the Cold War. Whenever I had these dreams, you know, remember Khrushchev, and it was unbelievable. You know, I would say, oh, no, you know, we'll be friends with Russia. We're going to fight against the Chinese. Well, at that time, in the early 1960s or late 1950s, who would have thought of that?

[Sean Ryan]

Yeah. Yeah. Can we rewind to some of your. I mean, you had mentioned out of body experiences at age 3, 4 years old?

[Angela Ford]

Well, actually 4 or 5 or maybe a little. It was before I went to school.

[Sean Ryan]

Okay.

[Angela Ford]

It was before I entered school at 6.

[Sean Ryan]

What can you describe? Do you remember your first out of body experience?

[Angela Ford]

No. They all seemed the same. You just go out of body.

[Sean Ryan]

Was there. What did the dream entail?

[Angela Ford]

Oh, it's not a dream. It's not a dream. It's. You physically leave your body, you come out and you're here in, like, aura or a spiritual form. And your physical body's laying down. You can see your physical body laying down.

[Sean Ryan]

So you're fully conscious?

[Angela Ford]

Oh, yeah. Fully conscious.

[Sean Ryan]

Are you able to make decisions?

[Angela Ford]

Oh, sure, yeah. It's like, I want to go. Yeah. I could direct myself where to go.

[Sean Ryan]

Wow. So where would you.

[Angela Ford]

I would go outside on a tree. I can remember one time I really wanted to go. I went to the sun, I think, one time because I really wanted to get out of the earth. I wanted to go further. But I now, when I went out of body, I had no control, and I still don't. I have no control when I go out of body. How? I. I don't know how to go out of body. It just happens. But when I go out of body. I can direct it a little bit. I do. I can direct it.

[Sean Ryan]

So you can't control when you, you can't control when the out of body experience is gonna happen, but you can, you are fully aware, capable of making your own decisions where you wanna go. If you wanna go right, left, up, down, you're capable. Are you, are you, do you have the ability to come back in body?

[Angela Ford]

Oh, sure, yeah.

[Sean Ryan]

So what did you think at age 4, 5 or 6?

[Angela Ford]

Oh, I loved it.

[Sean Ryan]

Did you find it odd?

[Angela Ford]

I didn't find it odd, but I knew as I got older, I knew I could not talk about it. Now don't ask me how I knew that. I have no idea. I knew that I could not talk about it to people.

[Sean Ryan]

Who's the first person you talked to?

[Angela Ford]

My mother. My mother.

[Sean Ryan]

What did your mother say?

[Angela Ford]

Oh, that's good.

[Sean Ryan]

Did she believe you?

[Angela Ford]

Oh, yeah. Oh, my mother was. Yeah, my mother was weird. Oh yeah. No, she encouraged it. She encouraged it.

[Sean Ryan]

Did your mother have out of body experiences?

[Angela Ford]

Let me tell you what happens later. What we find out about my mother is, it's unreal. She had psychic. Now my mother was psychic, but we never knew it. And my mother would walk around the house and just make. My mother would talk like, oh, you know, this pope's going to die, they're going to get a new pope and the guy's name's going to be John. Or. And my mother would talk like this. She remembered, she talked about. My mother would make predictions and we didn't know what she was. We never knew she would. We didn't call it psychic. We just thought she was, you know, a little bit. We called her lofty. She was lofty. She just didn't seem to be. She was lofty. And she would, couple of times, you know, she'd be around the house making dinner or talking and she'd say, oh, you know, there's going to be a war over in Israel. It'll be short lived though. And there was, what was it there, a 48 hour war or something. So that's how she would talk all the time. But we never paid any attention to her. And then she'd talk about reincarnation, go into reincarnation. So we never really paid much attention to her. Now what happened was I was down here, work, I got a job over with. Once I left the FBI, I was able to get a job. This would have been around 1980. I came down to D.C. in probably 1978 or 79. I left the FBI because a woman I was working with left the FBI and she went to join her husband who was working with Army Intelligence. And she called me up and she said, armies have experienced. Army intelligence is having internships. They're looking for people with political science degrees. You should apply. You'll be making more money than what you're making now. Plus, it's, you know, you get more as the years go by. You make more money. So I applied. When I started to work for Army Intelligence, I was on a two or three year intern program. And I learned all about intelligence. How you collect it, how you disseminate it, how you produce it. I went to the different intelligence agencies to find out who's responsible for what. So I did this. And then at the end of the internship, they gave me a job. I was a Central American analyst. And at the time, it was around the 1982, 83 time period, whenever you had the Sandinistas in Nicaragua and you had Noriega in Panama and then insurgencies in El Salvador, in Honduras, and then. So it was a hotbed. And I would do the current intelligence briefings every Friday for the command staff.

[Sean Ryan]

Okay.

[Angela Ford]

And that's what I was doing well at the time. My mother called me up one day and she said it was the fall. And she said, I need to take, you know, I want to do something. My friends and I were bored. We. My mother always took classes, like ceramic classes. And I told her, I said, why don't you take Dr. Bordas ESP class at the college? It was the class that I had to quit back when I graduated from college in 1976. So she said, I think I will. So her and her two friends started to take the class. And here, what they found out was my mother was very psychic. And they could give my mother an object, like your ring or a bracelet or a watch, and she could hold the object and she could tell you about the person who owned the object. So now my mother is now my mother. We recognize that she has these abilities. So my father died during that time. It was. It must have been around 1983, 84. My father died. And she mailed me a book. And she said, angela, it was a sudden death that was unexpected. I was still young. I was 29 years old. I was living with my sister. We were heartbroken. So my mother emailed me a book. And she said, read this book. It will help you understand your father's death. And I did. And it was. It was a book by Ruth Montgomery. She was a popular writer. At the time. And she kind of. And it was called A World Beyond. So that book helped me get over my grief. But after I read the book, I started. Things started. I felt like I was getting very psychic. I started to do channeling or automatic writing. My sister was taking an astrology class at the time. And the astrologer knew that my sister and I were doing the automatic writing. So she kind of recommended us to go study with a man by the name of Fred Mansbridge in Alexandria. He owned the Mansbridge Institute. So we started studying from him. And I was working as a Central American analyst. And at that time, somebody, the astrology teacher, told my sister about this psychic program that the government had where I worked. I heard it from my sister's astrologers. I didn't hear it from. So I started to make inquiries where I worked. And, yeah, I had heard there was this psychic program that the Army. That they had army remote viewers. I didn't even know where it was located. So I did meet with the general, and I did want to go to the program. Well, he. It was General Stubblebine, and he was retiring. This was 1984, and he was retiring. So I thought, well, I guess I lost my chance to be brought into the psychic program. And what had happened was he was getting ready to retire. So this army psychic sitting up at Fort Meade, they were sitting around ready to get orders to go someplace else and work. Even the civilians up there, you know how the government works. We're going to close this program, but you're going to go here and work, and you're going to go there and work. So. So they assumed that the program would be shut down because General Stubblebine was retiring and he was the Army. The remote viewers were being paid by the Army. They were under the Army.

[Sean Ryan]

Okay.

[Angela Ford]

Well, in the meantime, in 1984, Dr. Jack Verona, who worked at Defense Intelligence Agency, who was funding research into parapsychology at Stanford Research Institute and other places like Princeton and Duke University, he went to Congress and said, don't shut down the program. Just transfer the program from army to the Defense Intelligence Agency, which took about a year. And then in 1986, I was brought into the program after it was transferred.

[Sean Ryan]

Okay, let's rewind just a little bit. What is automatic writing?

[Angela Ford]

It's just. It's just a way of receiving information. Like, if you ask a question, it's just a matter. It's just a way you can receive information.

[Sean Ryan]

Okay.

[Angela Ford]

It's like an automatic. It's like an anatomic. It's just. You just get the information through writing.

[Sean Ryan]

So you think about a question, something.

[Angela Ford]

Yeah.

[Sean Ryan]

And you just start writing.

[Angela Ford]

No. Somebody asks a question, and then it kind of goes. And then I. And then I just sort of write out the answer.

[Sean Ryan]

How does that come to you?

[Angela Ford]

Well, at first it came slow. Came very slow because, you know, the process was very slow. But now it comes a little faster because I've been doing it for so long.

[Sean Ryan]

I mean, I guess what I'm asking is, can you describe what you're experiencing? When I. If we were going to do the exercise right now, and I. And you had a pen and you were writing and I just asked, what's a question? Somebody would ask.

[Angela Ford]

Am I going to get a raise? You know, am I going to make more money?

[Sean Ryan]

Okay.

[Angela Ford]

Yeah.

[Sean Ryan]

How does that answer come to you? Can you please describe that experience?

[Angela Ford]

Just comes. It's like a door. It's like just a door opens. It's.

[Sean Ryan]

You know, is it just a thought that is in.

[Angela Ford]

It comes fast. It comes fast. It can come very fast. It just. It comes fast.

[Sean Ryan]

How do you clear your head so there's only that one thought, or do you.

[Angela Ford]

I try to. I try to. I try to be disciplined. But sometimes you don't. But sometimes it just comes. I don't know if you've ever watched psychics on tv. Like, was there a man, John Edward or Treece, they had the Long island psychic. If you ever watch them, they're. They talk fast. The information comes fast. That's how fast it comes. In fact, I went to see John Edward in Baltimore and he came out and he said. He said, I'm going to start giving information, and if it pertains to you, raise your hand. And then he would walk over to the person and he would say, do not ask me any questions until I am finished talking. And he said that it's like these. The information just comes so fast.

[Sean Ryan]

Is it a thought in your head that you write down or is it your hand that just writes it?

[Angela Ford]

No, the hand is the manifestation. Again, the information is out in the ethers. You're asking me a question. I have to go out there. My mind has to go out into the ethers or it has to go out into this energy field. So the information is here, so it manifests on the paper. That's why a lot of people can give a reading without anything. Like, I know psychics, they'll just stand. They don't use anything. I think I'm a little. I guess that I like to rely on my Paper and pen.

[Sean Ryan]

When did you realize. When did you and your sister have a conversation about what was going on, if it was happening to both of you?

[Angela Ford]

Oh, and she came home one day and I was doing the automatic writing and I showed her what I was doing and she said, oh, I want to do that. So she did it too.

[Sean Ryan]

Is that when she found out? Wow. And you guys are twins?

[Angela Ford]

Yeah. Yeah. And Joe McMonagle has twin. Yeah.

[Sean Ryan]

Is there any.

[Angela Ford]

Oh, sure. Oh, sure. My mother was psychic. I had heard years later that my father's father, before he came to the United States, he traveled all through Europe with. With a tray and on the tray was a bird and tarot cards. And he would make money by giving somebody a reading. The bird would pick up the tarot card and my grandfather would give a psychic reading. So I have it from my father's side and my mother's side. So it has to be a gene. It has to be a gene.

[Sean Ryan]

Do you think I talked with Joe about this? I've talked to. I think I talked to Ed about this, maybe John Alexander as well. Did all humans have this at one point in time? Do you. What is. I mean.

[Angela Ford]

Oh, I think it's. I think it's always been there, but we just. It's always. I mean, why are we born? We know intuitively we know when to come out of the womb. It's like psychically, we know when to be born. I believe psychically we know when to leave too.

[Sean Ryan]

Really?

[Angela Ford]

Mm. I watched my mother in law and a brother. I feel like. Yeah, I feel like they knew when to go. They knew. It's like they took themselves out.

[Sean Ryan]

Wow.

[Angela Ford]

I think we all have it. It's just not accepted in our culture. It's just not accepted in our culture. Other cultures have an easier time with it. And if this is against somebody's belief system, you're not going to do anything to change their mind.

[Sean Ryan]

Yeah, I've figured that out. I've heard a lot of people say it's demonic. I've heard all kinds of things. Why do you think we've lost it, though, if you believe everybody had this gift at one point in time?

[Angela Ford]

I think the church, I think, okay. You know, I watch a lot of the. I think. I think a lot of it had to do with the church back a long, long time ago. Whenever the Christianity came about in Constantinople, he wasn't only an emperor or a ruler, he also wanted to be a religious leader. So I think he took a lot of these things out of the church that's why you have groups like the Masons and you have these secret societies. I mean, I think these people know this stuff, but it's just not talked about.

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[Sean Ryan]

I mean if they, what do they say? We only use 10% of our brain? I mean, do you, do you think that through advancements in technology that we are losing brain, sensory.

[Angela Ford]

I hope not. But, you know, everybody's afraid of AI. I don't know. We're just going to have to think a new way. There's a book out called Human Design, and the guy that wrote it said that even children, the next generations, as they come after us, their brains will be different, they will be more. I guess our computer systems are changing or things are changing. So when these new people come, somehow they're going to be geared up to understand maybe things that we couldn't. So I guess there's an evolution.

[Sean Ryan]

And in that evolution we're losing. We're losing psychic abilities.

[Angela Ford]

Yeah. And we shouldn't. We should be getting. We should be gaining more psychic abilities.

[Sean Ryan]

How would we gain more?

[Angela Ford]

I think just being aware, having more awareness, being more in tune and understanding that I don't understand people. I don't know. I just think being psychic really is just being aware. You don't. Even if you could just go into a room and just be aware of, of who's, you know, what's in that room, who's in that room, how is that person feeling? What's, you know, read the room, read the people. But people don't do that. They just go in and talk.

[Sean Ryan]

Yeah. Yeah. So it sounds like you're kind of saying just being in the moment, completely aware of your surroundings and paying attention, just paying attention to your thoughts, to what's happening, to maybe, maybe coincidences.

[Angela Ford]

Yeah. Nothing is a coincidence.

[Sean Ryan]

It does seem that way.

[Angela Ford]

Nothing is a coincidence.

[Sean Ryan]

When did you come to that conclusion?

[Angela Ford]

Just because everything, I mean, how I got to Army Intelligence, I never thought I would work in D.C. i would have been happy in Pennsylvania. I had relatives that were involved in politics, local. Local politics. I was help, you know, working on political campaigns. I was happy when I came to D.C. it wasn't easy. Working for the FBI was difficult. It was the years after Hoover had died and they were trying to make a transition into hiring minorities and working with minorities. So. And then I went to Army Intelligence and they. I think they had a problem because I was a female civilian and you need the civilian workforce in a military because they're. What are. They're the. They stay. So it wasn't easy. I mean, it really wasn't easy. But I, you know, I had nothing else to go back to. Even when I would try to go back to Pennsylvania, I just couldn't find anything to do, anything.

[Sean Ryan]

How did you get selected for the remote viewing program?

[Angela Ford]

Well, what happened was I had found out through my Sister's astrologer that they. I had found out that Army Intelligence, where I was working, had this. Had these psychics, remote viewers. I didn't know it, so I met. I asked to meet General Stubblebine to see if I really wanted to go to the job. But then I got in trouble with my. I guess because I skipped my chain of command. My immediate chain of command got very upset with me. And then General Stubblebine was retiring, so I thought that, well, I wouldn't be able to go. But then he retired in 1984, and everybody thought that the program. That the psychics, the remote viewing program, would go away. But Dr. Verona picked it up in 1985 and transferred everything to Defense Intelligence Agency. In January 1986, I got approached by the people. By the people at Fort Meade. They sent someone down to interview me for the job. And it took six months to get from Army Intelligence to the Defense Intelligence Agency to work as a remote viewer. They interviewed me. I did personality tests, and my clearances had to be sent from army to dia.

[Sean Ryan]

What was the interview like?

[Angela Ford]

Just a personality test. Just general questions. But I think General Stubblebank told them to hire me. So as far as the interview, I figured I was going because it was the type of program that you couldn't apply for. It was a special access program. You couldn't apply for it. They took people. If you met somebody and you thought they could fit in the unit, that's how they were brought in. So I'm sure if a general called some, you know, like the commander up at Fort Meade who was the head of the remote viewers and said to bring me on, I'm sure they would have listened to him because he was a general.

[Sean Ryan]

Okay. At what point did they. Did they ask why you thought. Why they thought you would be. Excuse me. Did they ask why you thought you would be a good addition to the program?

[Angela Ford]

No, they just gave me this personality. They kept giving me personality tests, and they kept asking me all these questions, but the personality test. I don't know. I don't know why they. I think they took me because the general to take me because I ended up being on the test. I ended up being like a judging person. And they're saying that perceptive people make better remote viewers. So I think it was just an exercise to just. Well, we interviewed her, and she seems okay, and we'll bring her in. But actually, when I got there, they really didn't want me there because of my automatic writing. They said it was a bad habit.

[Sean Ryan]

Really?

[Angela Ford]

Oh, yeah. And I got in trouble with my bosses by going to the general. So they gave me a hard time, and I was very uncomfortable for a long time, and I was in trouble. So that, you know, that made me very uncomfortable. So when I went. So from 1984 to July of 1986, before I went to the program, you know, I was. I was still working as a Central American analyst. Now, when I went to Fort Meade, my very first day of work, I was met by the operations officer. And I said, hi, I'm Angela Ford. It was the first time I met him. And he said, I know who you are. And he said, and I've heard about you. And he said, you have a bad habit. He said, what? You're going. He says, we're going to teach you the right way to be psychic. Well, at that point, I wasn't going to argue with him because I knew what it was like to be in trouble by going over the chain of command. So, whatever. I didn't want to be in trouble again. I said, okay, whatever you. Okay. It's a bad habit. Okay, it's a bad habit. What do you want me to do? You know? So what happened was these military people, they were all learning this coordinate remote viewing. Now, they put me with a trainer. They put me with this man. His name was Gene. And I don't think. And Gene was a civilian, and he worked in Germany. He used to be in the military, and then he worked as a civilian, and he worked in Germany. And, you know, if you're a civilian and you work overseas, you're only allowed to work so many years. Five years. So five years were up, and Gene needed a job. So he called the commander of the remote viewers, and he said, hey, I need a job. And the commander said, well, come on out. Come on down here. I'll get you a job. They made him a trainer. So I don't think this guy, he didn't have much experience with psychics or, you know, he just needed a job because he needed a job. So they put me with him because he needed somebody to train, because all the military people were doing training under another trainer. So they put me with the trainer, Gene, because he needed somebody to train. Well, when Gene found out I was doing automatic writing and the people didn't like it then, and he was giving me a hard time, you know, he goes, you can't do. We're going to teach you the right way. So I said, okay, so what are we going to do here? Now, what they did was they called it extended Remote viewing. And it was nothing more than you sort of visualize. They put a picture in an envelope and you sort of go down into like a meditative state, self hypnotic state, and you get visuals and then you write down what you see. So that's what I did. That's what I did. And they called it extended remote viewing. And while I was waiting for my clearances to be passed from Army Intelligence to DIA to go work as a psychic, I picked up this book. It was called the Silva mind control by Dr. Silva. And in it he taught. It was very close to the extended remote viewing. He taught about how you can go down and visualize. Like if I want to pick up information on you, I would go down and I would visualize. I would visualize you. No, what I would do is I would turn on the tv. Okay, okay, okay. Now I'm gonna watch Sean. So in my mind I turn on a TV and then I see you and then I see and then I pick up information about you. And then when I'm done, I turn the TV off and then I come back and I say, don't. This is what I've picked up on you. That's what. And. Or you can do it with pictures. And so I read the Silver Mind Control and then what? So when I went to work for the unit, they were calling it extended remote viewing. And it was the same thing that I read in the book. So I would, in my mind, whenever I was working the training targets, I'd just turn on the TV and describe the picture and come out and do it.

[Sean Ryan]

Wow.

[Angela Ford]

So that's how I was doing. But no, I wasn't going to argue with them. They did not want me to do my automatic writing and I in being in trouble before and oh my goodness. So I did that. Now about a year and a half after I was with the program, my trainer left, the commander left, the one woman left, everybody left. And they brought new people in. And they brought in one training officer and he said he didn't care what people did because he wasn't wild about the coordinate remote viewing. And he used to be a remote viewer. He didn't care about methodology. The thing with the military was they were proud because of their methodology. They had this coordinate remote viewing. They had extended remote viewing. And this, this is the way it's properly done. This is how to be a psychic. This is the way you do it. Well, I come more from a spiritual, whatever background. And I would have thought that if you're going to go work as A psychic for the government. You would have thought at some point some of them would have picked up a book or went to a metaphysical church or something to look into the subject. But they took it as very matter of fact. So what happened was about a year and a half, things started to change. Management started to change. And I told my boss, Fern, I said, I want to do automatic writing. He said, well, you can do it. So he would say. He would give. He said, you can go home and do it. He'd give me tasking, and then I'd go home and do it. But one day I walked in and I. Fern. And I walked. I don't know what happened. I told Fern he allowed people to do different methodologies. So I told him. I said, well, then come over and work with me, because I want to show you what I can do. And he did. And he put a target in the envelope. And it happened to be Terry Anderson, who was a. He was a hostage held by the Hezbollah in Lebanon. And I described Terry and I described him. I said that he's in a country, that he's located in a country that's not his homeland. You know, I felt that he probably was restricted and that. I felt that eventually he would come out and he would be, well. So that was. That hit it pretty much. So, Fern, like, we started working. We started working hostages. They had. They had other hostages there. They had. Remember, in. They had. They had a lot of university professors at Beirut that they had kidnapped. They had a man named Po Heel. And I kept saying, his throat hurt, and he came out. When he caught out, he was diagnosed with throat cancer. Now we were doing hostages, and we were running the information up to the defense, and we were running the information from Fort Meade to Bowling Air Force Base, which is, what, close to an hour? So whatever hostages I was working, they were running the information up, and the people were taking the information and giving it to the Israeli embassy. And the Israelis were acting on the information. Now, we got a call on Sunday, and they said that there was a Marine, Rich Higgins. He was a Marine colonel, and he was. He went to bei. He went to Lebanon, and he was kidnapped. And they asked if we could find him. And they were very concerned because he was military and they were afraid he was going to be killed. So I worked the case, and I knew his movements. I was saying, he's moving here. I was picking up things that they could come back and say that, okay, I was more or less matching what the intel messages were coming in, but they did not Know where he was. So I looked at. They were giving me pieces of imagery. So I went to a piece of imagery, and I said, he's right there. And I pointed to where Higgins was. And of course, the military people in the office said, well, there's nothing there. It's all woods. Why would he be there? But the analyst said, it's old imagery. So the hostages, the terrorists. About a month later, after I had put Higgins in this location, the hostages left. Sometimes they let hostages go. So there was a hostage that was let go by Hezbollah, and it was a German guy, Cordes. So our analyst went over to Rheinmein in Germany to debrief him. And our analyst asked, do you know where Higgins is? And the Cordes. The released hostage said, he's right there. Pointed to where I had pointed to.

[Sean Ryan]

Wow.

[Angela Ford]

And the analyst looked at him and said, but there's nothing there but woods. And the Cordes said, no, they built a structure there to put Higgins in, and that's where he was.

[Sean Ryan]

Wow. Was that your first.

[Angela Ford]

Yeah, that was. That was pretty good. That was. Yeah. I had. I think one time I had Terry Anderson in the Bacaw Valley. And the analyst came back and said, oh, he would never be in the Bakaw Valley. It's not the MO of the terror of the terrorists. But he was sighted in the Bakaw Valley at one time.

[Sean Ryan]

I mean, what does that feel like to get a confirmation?

[Angela Ford]

It was overwhelming. But see, what happened was I felt good about everything but the military. But, you know, they. But they didn't really like me. It was just hard.

[Sean Ryan]

Why didn't they like you? Joe had kind of mentioned that. That. I don't remember his exact phrase, but it kind of sounded like he was saying, you never got a fair shake.

[Angela Ford]

First of all, I think they resented the fact that how I got in by a general, which didn't bother me because I worked in the system long enough to know if somebody higher up wants you, they pick you and you go. And I've seen it, and I've seen. They do it with males. Male. And I think because I was female, I think because I had the ability before I went in, they could not control that.

[Sean Ryan]

Interesting.

[Angela Ford]

They could not control that.

[Sean Ryan]

So most. The majority of the remote viewers, they don't have the ability before.

[Angela Ford]

No, they just. They. No, they. The army felt that you could bring people in and train them, and you can train a person. You can put a picture in an envelope, and you can train a person how to access and describe that picture. But I could go, I could find people, I could find things. That was just something I could do. It was like instead it was my mind, that was the way my mind worked. I think they resented the fact of how I got in, the fact that. And they knew, they knew I had this ability. And I can remember when my information started to be. When they were using my information for operational purposes, they were fighting with my boss because they felt that it wasn't scientifically proven. How are you going to scientifically prove it? I don't know. And that they wanted to, they needed results. I had to prove my results to them before it should be used in an operational mode. Why would I have to prove myself to them? They're not scientists. They were hired to remote view, just like me. But I did, I think because. I think because the information, we were working in a fully operational mode, they came down, they couldn't find Gaddafi's. Remember the. Gaddafi was supposed to have had a chemical plant that nobody could find. Or they said they knew where it was, but they didn't know how the chemicals were getting there. Every time they would go, they could never find the chemicals. So they asked me, you know, they said, what's going on? So I said they were bringing it in. I named this vessel and I called it Potato and I spelled it like Potato. So we wrote a report up and we brought it to the. It was brought to the analyst and Dr. Verona saw the report sitting on the analyst desk and he says, does this mean anything to you? And the analyst said, well, the vessel is not Potato, it's Potato. It's a B instead of a P. But I spelled it with a P. So. And so Dr. Verona said, do you think how we describe the report or the scenario, he said, do you think this is viable? And he said, yeah. The analyst said, yes, yes. So they, Dr. Verona went to the commander of DIA, Defense Intelligence Agency and they called Turkey and they pulled up a submarine to watch that vessel and it came back as highly probable. So we really. They watched the vessel. The vessel sailed the route that I said it was going to sail. They said it probably did have the chemicals on board or it was probably the way they were getting in and out. But it wasn't highly successful or successful. It was highly probable. Okay, but that was good enough. I mean, so, I mean, that was nerve wracking to think that they're going to pull up a submarine based on my information. Now that really made me nervous. It made my boss nervous because that was a sole, you know, an intelligence you need several sources of information before you'll go out and look at something that was sole source.

[Sean Ryan]

So they had a lot of confidence in you?

[Angela Ford]

They did.

[Sean Ryan]

Would they have, would they have other remote viewers on the same project to see if.

[Angela Ford]

Yeah, they would. And the analysts, the analysts that we were working with, they would ask the. They go, what do your. Why? The other remote viewers could not work as fast as I could and they couldn't. I was good at finding things. I was good at describing people. See, I was good at personalities. I was good at finding things. Things the other remote viewers were just taught, put the picture in the envelope. It's a Soviet structure they could be building. It was just. It was a different type of. I was, I was performing it a different, different way.

[Sean Ryan]

Did. Were you the only one that had differences from your colleagues or were there other unique methods?

[Angela Ford]

No, there were two room. There were two. There was coordinate remote viewing and extended remote viewing. And then I did my channeling and Dr. Verona decided to call it WRV, written remote viewing.

[Sean Ryan]

Interesting.

[Angela Ford]

A girl came in after me. I taught her. She liked, she liked what I did. She was pretty good. And they gave her a hard time.

[Sean Ryan]

Were you guys all centralized in the.

[Angela Ford]

Safe place, you mean?

[Sean Ryan]

Yes.

[Angela Ford]

Oh, yeah, yeah.

[Sean Ryan]

So can you describe what would a daily routine be like at Stargate?

[Angela Ford]

Well, we had two buildings, and one building is where we had our desks and where we would do our reports. And then you had a second building where you would go remote view. So we would have schedules like on. There were remote viewing times. I think one was like 8:00, maybe 11:00, 2:00. So we would have schedules on when to remote view. And then if we weren't remote viewing, we would come over and just do administrative type things and sit at our desks. We would type reports. It was hard to work. You can't work a psychic eight hours a day.

[Sean Ryan]

When, when in the other building, in the remote viewing building, what would the setting be like?

[Angela Ford]

You would walk into a room and there would be a sofa, there would be a couch and you could sit there if you wanted to and relax. And then there was a hallway. And then there were two rooms and there was a restroom. And the two rooms would have a chair and a desk and a bed. And then you would go in the back and it was a huge room with a big table and you could sit there and do. You could remote view. And that room had a lot of. If you needed maps, if you need. If you were remote viewing and you needed information. You had maps, you had books there.

[Sean Ryan]

Wow. I mean, this. I mean, I just. Man, I want to understand the science behind this so bad.

[Angela Ford]

I know.

[Sean Ryan]

So when you remote view and you say that it's an energy field that you're tapping into or the ether or. I mean, does that mean that everything has already happened?

[Angela Ford]

No, it doesn't. You. It's easy. It's easy to remote view the past, and it's easy to remote view the present because the footprint is there.

[Sean Ryan]

Okay.

[Angela Ford]

Now, if you're asking me to remember, remote view the future. I can remote view the future, but the future has a tendency to change. It's not. The footprint isn't there. So it's harder sometimes to read the future than the past and the present.

[Sean Ryan]

Okay. Is it. Is it a. Is it mentally exhausting?

[Angela Ford]

Oh, my goodness, yes. Yeah.

[Sean Ryan]

What does it feel like?

[Angela Ford]

It's. I just couldn't. There were times I just couldn't work. I had found a fugitive, a customs agent that went bad, Charles Jordan. They brought me in on that case. We were having good luck with the hostages, and we were doing some other locational work that I was having success with. So there was a. There was a TV program, the Ten Most Wanted. It was a Ten Most. And there was a man named Charles Jordan. He was on the 10 most wanted list. He was a customs agent that went rogue. He took the money from the drugs, and he didn't want to be. He went dirty. He was dirty. So Customs called in Dr. Verona and said, we're looking for this guy. And, you know, in police or military organizations, if you. Somebody, if they're dirty, that, you know, that you really. They really want that guy bad to think that the whole mentality is we gotta have him because he, you know, he just. He's bad. So I went into session with Fern, and all he did is he asked me where was Charles Jordan. And it came out. I said, laval, Wyoming. And it came out like that. It just. Just came out. And he looked at me and he said he was from Lovell, Massachusetts. No, I said, the guy was in Lowell, Wyoming. And Fern said, well, I was born in Lowell, Massachusetts. Are you sure you mean Wyoming? And I said, yes, because I had the feeling of the west, you know, the Wild West. That whole feeling came over me, and I said, no, it's Wyoming. So we had some maps there, and we were looking through the United States maps, and we looked at Wyoming. And he said, well, there's a Lovel, Wyoming, not Lowell. So I spelled it L O W E L L. But it was really L O V E L L. And I said, well, that's close enough. And then I wanted to leave, and I think he wanted me to work more because, you know, in the government, you just can't have a report saying, lava Wyoming. So I. But I couldn't. I figured that was it.

[Sean Ryan]

Wow.

[Angela Ford]

And we didn't think we had credit for it, but we did. We found out years later that nobody believed me. What I said. And then they found him. And when they did the reenactment in 1995, the custom, we said, oh, it's too bad we didn't get credit for the. You know, for finding the guy. They said, oh, no. It was because of my information. They said, the man, Charles Jordan, the one that the. He sent his mother a picture of himself to show her that he was healthy and that he was okay. And when they saw the pictures, they saw the Wyoming license plate, and so they knew I was right. And then they started looking up in Wyoming, and a security guard at Yellowstone saw him, but they said, no, it was because of me. It turned the whole circle around.

[Sean Ryan]

Wow.

[Angela Ford]

And they found him.

[Sean Ryan]

Wow.

[Angela Ford]

Okay, now you ask about automatic writing. It is spirit writing. Have you ever heard of it?

[Sean Ryan]

No.

[Angela Ford]

It's like you get. People say, it's your higher self. I feel it's a guide. You know, we all have guides or angels. Okay. So I was. So what happened was, is I was writing spirit writing, and the spirit kind of identified himself as George. Okay, now you. I want to tell you the story because you're talking about negative and positive. My sister came home one night from work, and I said, hey. I said, I'm doing channeling here from a guy. Little guy named George. So my sister said, oh, well, I want to do that. So she started writing, and she said, well, I got a little guide here named Maury. She called him Maury. And at one point, Maury said, I am a negative spirit. So I said, louise, I said, stop doing it. I said, because I heard, you know, you can get these negative spirits and then they attach to you, and we don't. We know we want everything to be good. So she said, okay. So then I think she started writing to another guide. And every once in a while, this little mori would pop up, and he'd say, hey, I'm here, and I am a negative spirit. So we were getting, like, kind of nervous.

[Sean Ryan]

You had interaction with him, too, as well?

[Angela Ford]

My sister did.

[Sean Ryan]

Just your sister.

[Angela Ford]

And every once in a while, he would pop up. So I didn't know what to do. So I think. I don't know who I talked to. It could have been somebody at work, because I was getting. And they said, oh, your sister needs psychiatric help. So I went back to my sister and I said, louise, do you think you need psychological help? She said, probably. So we kept writing. She said, probably.

[Sean Ryan]

Who doesn't?

[Angela Ford]

She said, probably. And I said, I don't know about this. I don't know about Maury, but we kind of liked him, and he was sticking around, and he was giving us pretty good information about. He was giving information about my mother's dead relatives who we didn't know. So my. You know, he'd give us information, and my sister would call my mother and she'd say, oh, yeah, yeah, that's right. That's right. And he said that my one cousin was going to have a baby they've been trying to adopt for years, and, oh, yeah, they're going to get their girl on March 19th, which they did. So he was pretty accurate. But then he would say, oh, and by the way, I am a negative spirit. So I went to see Fred Mansbridge because this astrology woman told my sister, we should go see Fred Mansburg. So the night before my sister went to see Mansbridge, she was going to have the first session with him. Morrie said, I am tonight. I am leaving you forever. And he. And we said, oh, by that time, you know, we had him around for about a month. And we're like, you don't have to leave. You're okay. And I. And I said, and don't tell anybody he's negative, because we really liked him. So he said, no, this is it. I'm leaving you forever. So the next night, the next day, when my sister went to see Fred Mansbridge, my sister said, I'm channeling through a guide named Maury. And Fred Mansbridge said, no, no, no, no. You're channeling through a guide named Maurice. Maurice is the positive and Maury is the negative. Address the guide as Maurice. So from that point on, she addressed him as Maurice. And Maurie did leave her forever.

[Sean Ryan]

Wow. Wow.

[Angela Ford]

He did leave her forever. So he really wasn't bad. He was good. I mean, we liked him. He was. We liked him. And we're like, oh, you know, you don't have to go.

[Sean Ryan]

And so what you're saying is, for every positive, there's a negative.

[Angela Ford]

That's right.

[Sean Ryan]

Wow. Fascinating stuff.

[Angela Ford]

That's why it does it. And I thought, well, there's your answer on your negativity, man. There's your answer on your negativity.

[Sean Ryan]

When they, when they bring you in, is it, is it a single remote viewer or do they have, do they bring in a team?

[Angela Ford]

No, it's a single remote viewer.

[Sean Ryan]

Single remote viewer.

[Angela Ford]

Yeah. You can't work with other remote viewers in the same room because you could be picking up what they're thinking.

[Sean Ryan]

I was wondering about that.

[Angela Ford]

Yeah. You always. Yeah. Even whenever people work in groups, when you go to these metaphysical churches or they put remote. They put psychics in a group, and then every psychic will say, you could be picking up on what the other psychic said. So, no, you always go one at a time.

[Sean Ryan]

Interesting. Interesting. Angela, let's take a quick break.

[Angela Ford]

Okay.

[Sean Ryan]

And then when we come back, I want to talk about. I'd like to ask you about just some personal ventures maybe that you have never shared or that you've got on.

[Angela Ford]

Okay.

[Sean Ryan]

Thank you.

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Thank you for listening to the Shawn Ryan Show. If you haven't already, please take a minute, head over to itunes and leave the Shawn Ryan Show a review. We read every review that comes through, and we really appreciate the support. Thank you. Let's get back to the show. All right, Angela, we're back from the break, and I wanted to kind of pause on your career for a minute, and I wanted to ask you about, you know, maybe some personal ventures that you've used remote viewing for. And so kind of went on. I mean, if I knew how to tap into this. I just have so many questions about the past, about religion, about UFOs, about all kinds of stuff. And so I'm wondering, have you used this for your own curiosity?

[Angela Ford]

Oh, yeah, yeah, of course I would. Oh, of course. I. Yeah, I read it. I would read anything I could on it.

[Sean Ryan]

Well, I mean, so here's an example. I would love to know maybe what some of the things that were happening in World War II or. Or the Bible or just big questions.

[Angela Ford]

Oh, you mean use your psychic abilities to kind of figure it out?

[Sean Ryan]

Yes, ma'am.

[Angela Ford]

Yeah. Sometimes.

[Sean Ryan]

What are some of the times?

[Angela Ford]

You don't know if you're right, though, but you don't have the feedback, and so you don't know if you're right or whatever. So sometimes you have to do. You may be curious about something or think of something and maybe try to figure it out, and then maybe it'll just do some research. Maybe your thinking was right or maybe you have to look for your feedback to see if what you were feeling was right.

[Sean Ryan]

Interesting. What, what are some of the big questions that you've looked into?

[Angela Ford]

What goes on after we leave? After we leave this, I guess, after our body, our physical body. I, you know, I don't think. I sort of think that we sort of go on in some way. And I do believe that there. I was born and raised Catholic, but I had to let go a lot of that. I just had to let a lot of that thinking go. I mean, I like to think that we go on in some way. I do believe that there was a man named Jesus that walked the Earth. But, you know, there were other people, too, that were here to teach lessons. And my biggest thing was what happens after we go on? I'm interested to know, do we come in reincarnation? I've asked. Do we come back?

[Sean Ryan]

What do you believe happens when we die?

[Angela Ford]

I just think you're kind of met. I think you're sort of. You go over with. I believe that you go on and that you're reunited with your. With your soul family or with your karma group. The way I understand it is that we come in. We come into. We come into this life with our karma group, the karma. We have karma, good karma and bad karma. So the same people that I was with, I just think that we somehow. We come back and we come back with the same people. People really I believe in. Yeah, I do.

[Sean Ryan]

What. What would a. What is a karma group?

[Angela Ford]

Well, it's the same like, in other words, the people you know. Now, you knew before. In a past life, did you ever go somewhere and just felt like. Like you knew somebody or that you've been there before?

[Sean Ryan]

Yes.

[Angela Ford]

Yeah, that's. I've known you. Yeah, that's. Yeah.

[Sean Ryan]

What do you. What do you think deja vu is?

[Angela Ford]

The remembering of a past life?

[Sean Ryan]

Do you think it's the remembering of a past life?

[Angela Ford]

Yeah, if it happened before either. You were at that place. I felt like I had that with a couple of my animals.

[Sean Ryan]

Why do you think that?

[Angela Ford]

Why do I think what?

[Sean Ryan]

Why do you think that we travel with a karma group?

[Angela Ford]

Because it just makes. Because we have things to work out with them, I guess.

[Sean Ryan]

Who would be in that karma group?

[Angela Ford]

Friends, relatives, friends, People that you meet all through your life. You know, I just. Everybody that you know, everybody that.

[Sean Ryan]

So everybody in your sphere of you would know.

[Angela Ford]

I think it was explained to me like, you know, you've got 1 million people will leave this earth, and then 1 million people will come down to replace the 1 million people that left.

[Sean Ryan]

Do we immediately come back?

[Angela Ford]

I don't know. I don't know. I don't think so. I think you kind of have to wait for your karma group to figure out, you know, if you come back this time, are you going to be my mother or my sister or my father?

[Sean Ryan]

Why do you think that we come back? What have you experienced that makes you.

[Angela Ford]

Believe probably to get better into whatever errors we have, try to replace them? There's a reason why we come back. Do we need to learn more love? Do we need to learn more patience?

[Sean Ryan]

Have you. Have you had any experiences that solidify your beliefs?

[Angela Ford]

Not really. I mean, I can't. I can't. I don't have any scientific evidence. I did have one woman put me through a past life, and I don't know if it's true. It was sort of like a hypnotic state where you kind of go and Visualize a past life. And I think I was in Nova Scotia growing wheat. I remember that. I remember that. But I remember also there was a religion there that was very strict. I can remember in whatever under that session, I remembered belonging to an organized religion that was very. And so when I came out of that, I probably figured, well, the Catholic religion that I grew up with probably, you know, that energy was probably coming from that energy from that past life. And so somehow I just, maybe I cleared myself of it in this life.

[Sean Ryan]

Have you, have you looked into, have you tried to look into religion at all, such as the crucifixion? Do you have. Do you not want to talk about that? Okay. Do you want to talk about. You had mentioned you had had a UFO experience?

[Angela Ford]

Yeah, when I was 13 years old, this was another thing too that had happened to me. We were playing, a bunch of us kids, we were playing baseball. It was a spring day and it was right at that time that it, you know, the day goes into. It was dusk where the day goes into the darkness. So we had to quit playing baseball. So we were walking across the baseball field and we heard this, sh, sh, sh, sh. And we saw an unidentified object. It was green light with the ring around it, and it just went over us. So we screamed and we yelled and people came out and they pointed to the object. So, yeah, I did have a UFO experience. And so that, that all kind of leads you into thinking about stuff too.

[Sean Ryan]

It does, it does. Have you looked into any more UFO type stuff or extraterrestrial? I spoke with Joe about this and he had, he had. I don't remember the date, but it was. I don't, I don't remember the date. It was B.C. and they wanted him to remote view Mars and he had remote viewed some type of a pyramid that, that. Are you familiar with this? Well, he had remote viewed Mars. I'm just going to throw an arbitrary number out. Let's say 10,000 BC BC. It's probably not 10,000 BC, but I'm just throwing a number out. And he had remote viewed Mars and his experience. Basically, if I remember correctly, there was pyramids and it looked like people were evading something and they were using that as some type of a protective shelter. Have you remote viewed any. Have you remote viewed anything in space?

[Angela Ford]

Yes, but that. Yes, but I don't, But I didn't trust the. No, but I don't trust the information because I was remote viewing Mars, but I didn't trust the information or the feedback because I don't Think it was known at the time.

[Sean Ryan]

What did you. What was the feedback?

[Angela Ford]

I can't even remember. But it didn't make sense.

[Sean Ryan]

Okay.

[Angela Ford]

It was at Fort Meade. There was one guy there, he wanted everybody to remote view Mars. But the protocol, it wasn't good. It wasn't a clean protocol, and I just didn't trust the. And I don't even remember because I don't trust the session and I don't trust the information.

[Sean Ryan]

So you don't trust anything unless you get. Unless you get the feedback?

[Angela Ford]

Well, in remote viewing. Yeah, in remote viewing. But see, a lot of this stuff, like, a lot of times I read or I have my own personal feelings on stuff, but I don't know. But I kind of have my own feeling on things, how things go or whatever. But in the psychic world, if I'm performing, I would need the feedback. Even if I give psychic read, you just. It's sort of. I kind of have to take what my thoughts are or what my beliefs are. I just take it out of the equation.

[Sean Ryan]

Is that hard for you to do?

[Angela Ford]

No, because I just. I know what I believe, and I just know what you can. What I can't.

[Sean Ryan]

Why do you believe what you believe? Because with reincarnation.

[Angela Ford]

To me, it makes sense. To me, it makes sense. I had a lot of questions about why I felt certain things or why I thought a certain way. And when I started to study about reincarnation or what I. It closed up a lot of answers for me. Me, it just. It just made. I didn't believe in reincarnation at first because I was born Catholic. But once I overcame that hurdle and believe and started saying this could be possible, I even. Did. I. My psych. I even opened up more psychically. It was like I had to get that belief system. It just. It just was another. It was just made. Somehow, on some level, it made sense that it just opened me up more Interesting.

[Sean Ryan]

Interesting.

[Angela Ford]

It didn't scare me. It was like, you know, that makes sense. I guess energy doesn't die, you know, we can come back.

[Sean Ryan]

Have you had any visions of past lives?

[Angela Ford]

Well, I had the one woman, like I said, with the Nova Scotia, but that was like a hypnotherapist. She kind of put me under. But, yeah, I feel like I may have been in England at some point, but I do. I do. I had a dog. I knew. God, that dog just. I felt a pat. I just knew I went through something with that dog. And I have a cat now that I just feel like. I just feel that it's just something you feel, I guess. You can't. You just can't.

[Sean Ryan]

It's an intuition.

[Angela Ford]

Yeah, but there are certain things I like to watch on, certain things that I watch or I'm attracted to or, you know, and I often wonder, well, if I have a strong attraction to something or if I'm obsessed with something, maybe I'll do some research or whatever and I'll think, well, maybe. Maybe there's a connection there. But I don't know what it is for sure.

[Sean Ryan]

You had mentioned. I mean, you had mentioned. I can't remember if it was on a break or if it was earlier in today's interview, but you had mentioned that you believe we all have angels or guides or guides. Where do those come from?

[Angela Ford]

I guess from the heavenly realms, from the invisible realms. You know, they call it beyond the veil or the veil. I guess there's just a veil that kind of separates the sea. We see things here, but it's just a thin veil to see into the other realms. And I think that's where they come from.

[Sean Ryan]

Do you believe in a higher power, like God?

[Angela Ford]

Yeah, I think that there is. Yeah. And I think that God gives us a lot of free will, and I think that man makes. You know, I think God gives us a lot of free will and that mankind maybe, like, just keeps doing what we're doing.

[Sean Ryan]

What about extraterrestrials?

[Angela Ford]

Yeah, like I said, I had the. I had the.

[Sean Ryan]

Experience.

[Angela Ford]

I had the UFO experience. And whenever I moved into Washington, D.C. i lived in an apartment in Washington, D.C. and I was living. And I had a woman friend who was. She must have been about 20, 30 years older than me. And I needed to move into Washington, D.C. and so she brought me to this apartment complex where she used to live. And so my sister and I lived in this apartment. And it was small, so one day the landlord said that our neighbors were moving out. We could have the larger apartment, which we took. Well, my girlfriend called me up, my woman friend, and she said, I used to live in that apartment. That's where I used to live. So one time, one night, I got a little ring outside, and she said, my friends are here. We want to come up and see the apartment. So she came up and she said, oh, I used to live here. And your bedroom was where the baby's room was. So she was with a woman named Madeline. And Madeline said, ruth, do you remember what happened in this apartment? And Ruth said, no. And she said, this was where the first film of UFOs were show and this Madeline worked for an Egyptian researcher named Adamski. And Adamski was. He researched UFOs and artifacts. And they showed. The first film of UFOs was shown in the apartment that I lived in.

[Sean Ryan]

Wow.

[Angela Ford]

I mean, that's not an accident.

[Sean Ryan]

Yeah. Do you believe UFOs are. I mean, some people believe it's some type of a spiritual entity, and some people believe it's actually nuts and bolts. Flying objects with extraterrestrials in. What do you.

[Angela Ford]

I think that the. Now, if you read the books about civilization, weren't they supposed to be here at one time and help build art and helped. I think they're here to help us or they're supposed to help us.

[Sean Ryan]

How so?

[Angela Ford]

I don't know. Didn't they come here and kind of at the beginning of Earth they said when Earth wasn't. So I guess they were trying to help. They had visited Earth before and they were to help. They help mankind is from what I understand.

[Sean Ryan]

I mean, there's all kinds of theories out there. I am a Christian, so. So, you know, I believe what I believe, but there's definitely lots of theories out there about, you know, the pyramids, Stonehenge.

[Angela Ford]

Yeah, that's what. Yeah.

[Sean Ryan]

Easter island, all of these things. And it sounds like, you know, I've interviewed a lot of other people. Like, are you familiar with Randall Carlson by chance?

[Angela Ford]

No, what's his name?

[Sean Ryan]

Randall. Basically, you know, in a very dubbed down version, he thinks that the. Basically that the Earth resets and that there were older civilizations that went extinct that were possibly way more advanced than anything that we have now. And it's like a. It's just a big, big. It's almost like. Sounds like kind of like reincarnation.

[Angela Ford]

Yeah, I could agree with that. A reset. I like that.

[Sean Ryan]

A reset.

[Angela Ford]

I like that. That makes sense.

[Sean Ryan]

Have you ever remote viewed anything such as that? The lost city of Atlantis?

[Angela Ford]

I think I did one time, but I thought I was underwater a lot. But did it go underwater, the Atlantis? Yeah.

[Sean Ryan]

Well, nobody's found it.

[Angela Ford]

Okay. Because I thought I was underwater. No, I have not. Atlantis, but. Oh, the Stonehenge. Remote view. Stonehenge. I felt like that was the. In the pyramid. I felt like there was some type of supernatural help or energy there on both of those. Stonehenge and the Egyptian pyramid.

[Sean Ryan]

Is that something that you remote viewed.

[Angela Ford]

Or is that I remote viewed and I felt like there was supernatural energy or help that put these things in place.

[Sean Ryan]

Can you describe that experience?

[Angela Ford]

It was very expanding. I felt like the energy was very expanding and I felt there was a lot of knowledge and I felt there was a lot of light and goodness. It was a time of learning, especially with the Egyptian. I felt like there was. It was very monumental. It was a time of learning. I felt it was good energy. It was all good energy. It was exciting, Interesting, interesting.

[Sean Ryan]

What are some personal ventures that really stick out in your mind?

[Angela Ford]

You mean in remote viewing?

[Sean Ryan]

Yes.

[Angela Ford]

You mean in remote viewing helping other people or remote viewing something that's not on the job? Oh, how do I help somebody?

[Sean Ryan]

Your extracurricular, whether it's, Whether it's. You're trying to answer your own curiosities or could be helping somebody.

[Angela Ford]

Oh, yeah, I did help somebody once. I did help somebody once. And it's a funny story. And I lost his number. But I got a guy. I got a call. I got a call one night from a guy from New York. And I don't know how he got my number, but he was an older gentleman and this is a fun. I mean, this is just. He called me up and he said, I've never been married. He said, I want to be married. He says, I want to have children, and I guess I'm going to have to marry somebody younger because he really wanted children. So he said, do you think I'm going to be married? I said, I think you're going to get married. He goes, well, where am I going to meet my wife? Oh. And he said, how am I going to meet my wife? And I just said, she's your neighbor. And you could hear him go, here we go. And you could hear him go, what? What are you talking about? What do you mean? I'm thinking of my neighbor. I don't have a neighbor I can meet. What do you mean? So, you know, by that time I'm just getting. He says, I'm going to go online and I'm going to find a girl. I said, okay, go online. I didn't even, you know, it was like a 10 minute conversation that I, you know, I didn't even charge him money. So about three months later, he calls me up and he goes, hey, I'm. I go online, nothing's working out. You think I'm going to get married? I go, you're going to get married? And he goes, who am I going to marry? I go, you're going to marry your neighbor? And he goes, what are you talking about? You're crazy. So we argue and we argue and he did this a couple of times. So one time he called and he goes, this is Abe. And he Heard me take a breath, like, oh, no, here we go again. And he goes, please, please don't hang up. He goes, please don't hang up. He said. He goes, guess what? I go, what? He goes, I'm getting married. I said, who are you marrying? He said, my neighbor. So I said, so. I said, so tell. He said there was a school that he. One of. He lived next to a school or a college or something, and apparently the girl was going to school there or something. So it was his neighbor who. And then she happened to be his sister's neighbor. So, you know. But anyway. But I could tell. He could tell by that time, I was ready to hang up the phone with him. And he goes, please don't hang up. Don't hang up. Listen to me. Listen to me. He goes.

[Sean Ryan]

Wow.

[Angela Ford]

So I go, okay, now are you happy? He goes, yeah, I'm happy. I'm happy. But I wanted to stay in contact with him, but to find out if he ever had children. But I'm sure he did.

[Sean Ryan]

Wow, that's fascinating. Before we move on with your career, also, we had a. I wanted to save. I kind of. I kind of cut it on the break. But you. We were talking about other dimensions. How would you describe other dimensions?

[Angela Ford]

I don't know. I mean, I guess they're just other. I don't know. I guess. I don't know. I mean, how can. Sometimes if you look up at the stars at night, I mean, that's kind of different. I would feel like that would be a different dimension.

[Sean Ryan]

Well, what you were describing was. It sounded like your mother.

[Angela Ford]

Yeah, my mother would. I have no idea how to even explain this, but she would. As she got older in life, my mother was very. She was very psychic. And as she got older in life, she would call me up and she would say she was, you know, she was coming home from shopping or from grocery shopping, that she would make a right. You know, she would turn on the road to come home, and she would. So she would turn on the road and then she would be somewhere, and she said that she would. She would be there, and she would, you know, she would see beautiful stars or she'd see beautiful scenery, and then she would sit there for a while, and then she would drive home. And then it would hit her later that wherever she turned, there was no road. So what was she doing when she was going. She had to be going into another dimension or something.

[Sean Ryan]

So she's saying she was physically in another dimension.

[Angela Ford]

She had to have been, because there. And she. And when I would go home to visit her. She would say, this is where I turn. And there would be no road. It would be cornfield.

[Sean Ryan]

What would. What would she experience there?

[Angela Ford]

Oh, wonderful. She said, oh, it was beautiful. She said that she felt a lot of peace, a lot of love. She felt energized. And she would have to remind herself that she would have to. Oh, she would kind of get shocked. Oh, yeah, I better get home. And that happened to her a couple of times.

[Sean Ryan]

Wow. Have you experienced other dimensions?

[Angela Ford]

Not like that, but in a different way. Sometimes, headwise, I feel I'm someplace else. I don't. Not like she did, but sometimes I feel. I don't know. Sometimes I feel. I feel like the planet's moving sometimes.

[Sean Ryan]

What do you mean by that?

[Angela Ford]

You can feel the planets move.

[Sean Ryan]

How so?

[Angela Ford]

I don't know. They just move. Sometimes. I don't know. Sometimes I feel like my head's just. I don't know is.

[Sean Ryan]

I'm sorry, I'm bombarding you with questions right now. Would you say that psychic abilities are. Are a form of advanced intuition, like a gut feeling? Like. Let me. Let me. Let me give an example. So you're kind of talking about reading energy. Am I correct? And so there's a seal entering a room, an unknown room on a. On a target, and I'm clearing the room. You can feel an energy in there. You can feel who's good, who's bad. You're you. You enter into kind of somewhat of a flow state, and it becomes a very intuitive experience. And I've talked to several former colleagues of mine, and everybody kind of says the same thing. You're breathing energy and you're feeling the room, and it's intuition. Some of it. It's a gut feeling, you know, or when you're in a place and you feel like something bad's about to happen, sometimes people get a gut feeling. Is that similar to.

[Angela Ford]

That's exactly what it is. And probably you're high. You're working at a higher level than intuition. If you're going into a situation and have to, you know, figure out who's good, who's bad in your inner room, it's higher than intuition. Now, they found that a lot of people in the investigative. Investigative work, like a lot of cops, they develop that sixth sense, like all of a sudden they'll solve a case all on a hunch, you know, and sometimes a lot of that, they don't want to talk about it because they're afraid they're going to be laughed at. But Yeah, a lot of investigative people, probably a lot of Navy seals, you develop that. You develop that. You have to develop that to survive. So you're probably doing. That's more than intuition. You're operating at a higher. It's more than. But always listen to your gut.

[Sean Ryan]

I've learned that. I've learned that the hard way several times.

[Angela Ford]

Yeah, I know. And I've gone against. Yeah, me too. And I. Yeah, that happens.

[Sean Ryan]

Yeah. Yeah, I've gone against. Just every time I go against it, I regret it. And so I really try not to do that now. No matter. No matter how excited I am about an opportunity or. Or an individual that I'm about to meet or. Yeah, you get. I get a. I get a feeling about it every once in a while, and I really try to follow that. So can you. Is this something that you. Can you tap into it or is it just switched on all the time?

[Angela Ford]

You mean the intuition? I think it works for you. Whenever I think it works. I really think it works for you when you need it. If you want to walk through that door and your intuition is telling you, don't walk through that door. You know, if it's day, it could scream at you really loud, don't walk through that door. And if you listen to your intuition, you wouldn't walk through the door. I think that I don't. Sometimes I think intuition and your psychic abilities can be very high, and other times they're not as high. But you can't be psychic all the time at a high level because then you're going to be crazy.

[Sean Ryan]

Okay. You know, and I know there's a lot of naysayers out there about this, but, you know, I think a perfect example of. Of this would be that people can. I can't say, relate to, but if you talk to rape victims, a lot of rape victims had. Knew they were in a bad situation before it actually happened, and do you know what I'm saying? They get a feeling that something's not right and go against their gut. And then it happens.

[Angela Ford]

Yeah. Oh, yeah.

[Sean Ryan]

And so I just. I'm trying to bring more common occurrences up to the audience so that they.

[Angela Ford]

Can always listen to the gut begin.

[Sean Ryan]

To wrap their head around what we're speaking about.

[Angela Ford]

Yeah, Yeah. I think that. I mean, you've had experience where, you know, like, you think of somebody and they call or, you know, you know, that what's it. You've gone out to the mail, but you know what's in the mailbox?

[Sean Ryan]

Yes.

[Angela Ford]

Yeah. That's intuition. And that's all good. But I also think too, it works at higher. It's more than that. And you can. It's more than that.

[Sean Ryan]

I mean, even manifestation.

[Angela Ford]

How do you manifest something? Yeah, a lot of people are into. How do you manifest what you need? A lot of people. I haven't got that one yet. I haven't. Have you felt like you've manifested things that you wanted in your life?

[Sean Ryan]

I do several things. I do it.

[Angela Ford]

How did you do it? Visualize or.

[Sean Ryan]

You know, I don't. I don't. Now I'm starting to. I'm understanding how tough these questions can be that I'm asking you. I don't know how to describe it. I do believe I've manifested things. I believe I've manifested. I believe that I've manifested certain things within my family. I believe I've manifested certain things within business. I believe I've manifested things not even realizing that I've manifested them. And if you'd like, I could give you a couple of examples.

[Angela Ford]

Yeah, please.

[Sean Ryan]

So it's interesting because me and. Me and Laura, who you met, were having a discussion about this. If this is all real, I mean, it's a controversial subject. And I said, I think that. I absolutely believe that it's real. Because we don't understand. We only use 10% of our brains, supposedly. We don't understand consciousness. And I think we're capable of so much more than we have any. We put the limitations on ourselves, everybody. There's the old saying, you know, that there are no limits. Sky's the limit. And no matter who you are, you're putting some sort of limitation on yourself. You could be the wealthiest man in the world. Well, I still think that there are limitations in his head that are keeping him from achieving other goals. Maybe not financial, maybe not business, but anyways. So some examples would be. Here's an accidental one that I think may have happened when I proposed to my wife. I did it in Alaska, and I wanted to. I went there to work with a former seal named Jeff Reed, who's an Iditarod racer now, and I went up to shoot some content with him for YouTube. And when we went up there, I wanted to. It was also a vacation for me and my fiance, my girlfriend at the time and who's now my wife. And I told Jeff, when we got there, I said, hey, I want to propose to my wife here, and I want to do it under the northern lights, having no idea that. And this is in August, had no idea that northern lights never show up in August. And I believe he said, you'll be lucky if the northern lights popped in October. That would be the earliest time that you'll see them. This is Fairbanks, Alaska, later that night, that same night that I told. And I thought, oh, shit, all right, well, I guess maybe I'll get a helicopter tour and do it on top of a glacier and Denali national park or something like that. Well, fast forward that evening. He shoots me a text and says, you're not going to believe this, but the northern lights are out right now. And you got about 15 minutes because they never stay out longer than that. And I was like, shit. I had flown my film crew up and I had to give them a ride from the airport and they flew in separately. So I went and picked up the first guy, went back, picked up the second guy. That's about an hour and a half's time more. Then they want to tell me all about their European vacation that they went on. And my Aunt Katie. And I'm freaking out because the northern lights are still kicking an hour and a half later. Then it took me about an hour and a half, two hours to find a place to do it. Went all over the place. The northern lights finally kicked off. After two, three hours of lighting up the sky, I finally found my spot. They went away. And I just thought, God, please just give me just a glimmer so that I can just propose to my girlfriend here. They came back on. She was passed out. I'm waking her up. I'm going, hey, get up, wake up. We gotta get out. And proposed to her as soon as we. Because the entire sky lit up with the northern lights.

[Angela Ford]

There you go.

[Sean Ryan]

And in August, which apparently is next to impossible.

[Angela Ford]

So you manifested that?

[Sean Ryan]

I think so. You know, and I have lots more examples of similar things, you know, with every aspect of my life. And then. But that was just me thinking fast forward. I had, you know, psychedelics actually really opened my mind up to all of this. And I had. I don't want to get into that now. But that really expanded my mind. It made me realize there are so many more possibilities than we can even imagine. And that got me into meditation, that got me into manifestation. And I thought, you know what? I'm just going to concentrate on one thing that I want to happen is without having intrusive thoughts into my head. So I would start meditating, which I've gotten away from, that I would put a rife machine on. Do you know what a rife machine is? And I put a rife Machine on. During my meditation, I would let all the thoughts clear my head. Like the way it was described to me is, think of thoughts like clouds and just let them all run through until you're completely at peace and then think of what you want. And so I would do that, and things would start happening. So much so that it made me. It's really made me hesitant to vocalize things out loud about people that maybe have screwed me over or that I don't like or whatever. Because now I'm starting. I'm beginning to realize, holy shit, what you throw out into the world might actually happen. And so I've been very hesitant to. I don't wish bad on people anymore. And I used to. And then I saw some of those things come to fruition as well, and I realized how powerful thought can actually be.

[Angela Ford]

Meditation is very, very powerful.

[Sean Ryan]

Do you meditate?

[Angela Ford]

Not as much as I should. I used to do more, but I think it's very powerful.

[Sean Ryan]

I do, too.

[Angela Ford]

I knew a woman that meditated. She said one day she woke up. She says, you. It's like your body becomes like a river. You just flow. And she said. She woke up one morning and she said, I just. I wanted an apple. And she said 10 minutes later, Guy was at her door with a bushel of apples. But, you know, that's just an example. But, yeah. Yeah, it's. Be careful what you say. Yeah, I know about. Sometimes you just have to feel. I don't even try to. I don't even dislike people anymore. I just let it go.

[Sean Ryan]

Yeah.

[Angela Ford]

I guess they have their own lessons or whatever.

[Sean Ryan]

I'm not quite to that point yet, but I'm working on it.

[Angela Ford]

There's just. There's just so much. I mean, people can be funny sometimes.

[Sean Ryan]

Yeah. Yeah. But. Well, let's get back to your career at dia.

[Angela Ford]

Okay.

[Sean Ryan]

Where did we leave off?

[Angela Ford]

Well, the program ended in 1995, so I was able to. The program ended. I had to go back into. I went back to the. The headquarters at Bowling Air Force Base, and I worked as an analyst. I worked as a Russian and Chinese analyst, working certain issues.

[Sean Ryan]

Okay. What ended the program?

[Angela Ford]

I think that when Dr. Verona retired, I think we lost a lot of our support. And they put in his replacement was a man who I don't think really wanted the program. And Dale Graff had retired. We lost a lot of support. We had a lot of congressional support. We had a lot of. We had high support that just went away when certain people retired. And the people coming in, they didn't have the curiosity for the learning. They didn't have the curiosity to try to learn how we think it works. If you go into a session to work an operational target, they were giving you too much information. They just didn't want us. And I think Congress was trying to help us and they thought if they could get us to CIA at least we may have more support. Well, when they transferred us to CIA, CIA said they wanted to do a six month study. And they did a six month study. But they never gave whoever did the study. They did an out. They called in a company from the outside to do a study to see if ESP works, but they never gave people the clearances so that they could read the operational success successes that we had. And they came out six months later and says, no, this doesn't work. Well, what happened was we were packing up boxes and we were packing up all the information from Fort Meade and it ended up in Langley. And after they closed the program, I was back at Bowling working for dia and I got a call from a guy at the Department of Defense, a policymaker. And he said, he said he wanted to go. He, he was a policymaker in charge of special access programs. And he was curious as to why that program was shut down. So he called me up and said, let's go to the CIA and get the documents. He wanted to see, he wanted to see the documents to find out why it was shut down whenever he knew there was some good work coming out of there. So when we went to retrieve the documents, the documents were never opened. So they never let, the documents were never open for anybody to review them to see if we were good at, if we ever solved any problems. So I think the CIA did not want us.

[Sean Ryan]

Interesting.

[Angela Ford]

And I think the CIA gets blamed for everything. No matter what goes wrong, the CIA gets blamed for everything. And I think the CIA had that one program back in, what, the 50s and 60s where they were, where they were doing mind control on people and giving people lsd. And Congress had to stop that. And George Tenet was the head of the CIA at the time and I think he just didn't want to take it on. It would have been too much of a headache.

[Sean Ryan]

Interesting, do you think?

[Angela Ford]

And also too, I think they had to start getting rid of smaller programs. There was the downside and there was budget too. And so I think CIA must have, I think they got a message from Congress saying, get rid of your small programs or something and they got scared, so they just erupted. But I do think that they did not Give the program when they brought in that agency to say whether or not this can be used in an operational mode. I don't think that we were given a fair shake because it was used in an operational mode and we've had successes.

[Sean Ryan]

Do you think that the program continued on under a different name at a later date?

[Angela Ford]

No. And if it did not, when our program existed, we had, it was congressionally mandated. We had the remote viewers, we had the research that, we had research going on. The government was paying Stanford. We had a lot of research money going out. And then we had the foreign assessment, meaning we had an analyst looking at what other countries were doing. So it was a robust, it was a robust program, plus we needed. So now when I went back to DIA and worked, a lot of people would say, oh, I remote view and I'm in touch and this is what I get and this is what I don't. No, I don't think there was. And even if there was, they weren't doing it in the formal way that was being done. And if it was being done, where was the information given to, to help people? I don't think so. I just don't think so. And also, if a program were to exist, at some point, they would have had to look at the science. And if they would have looked at the science, certain people would have been contacted, like Ed May, sri. No, I don't think think so. Do you think so? A lot of people say, oh, it's going on, it's going on.

[Sean Ryan]

I do think. I do think so.

[Angela Ford]

Why do you say that?

[Sean Ryan]

Because, Because I've had former colleagues tell me that they've seen, they've seen him bring him in.

[Angela Ford]

Bring him bring what in? Remote viewers.

[Sean Ryan]

Bring remote viewers in.

[Angela Ford]

Okay. And that could be because I met a kid in Florida who said he was, he could move, he could, he could move up. He, you know, he bent coins and that. And I think he was brought in by the CIA.

[Sean Ryan]

Interesting.

[Angela Ford]

But that's not. So that's one thing. But that's not a program. I mean, that. Yeah, maybe, maybe so. I mean, maybe they do bring people in and use them. Police, police agencies bring people psychics in and use them. Are the people getting paid? If they're, Are they getting paid?

[Sean Ryan]

I don't know. I didn't personally see them. But people that have, that are very close to me, that I've worked very close with, with, that I still have relationships with today, have told me about this before I even knew what the hell remote viewing was.

[Angela Ford]

Okay.

[Sean Ryan]

Like, did you see that? They just brought remote viewers in. And I go, what the hell is remote viewer? But. And now today I've reached back out, and I'm like, I remember when you told me this.

[Angela Ford]

I mean. I mean, maybe they were. But it still didn't make it. It still didn't make it. I guess we were mandated. I guess, you know, we would go to a building and work. If you bring somebody in, that's different. Are you paying them?

[Sean Ryan]

Interesting. Yeah. Yeah. I don't know. I don't have the answers to those questions, but I'd like to move on. I know you have. You want to talk about Yuri Geller?

[Angela Ford]

Okay, I have a Yuri Geller story. Okay. In 2000, I retired from the federal government in 2010. Now, in 2015, no, 2014, Annie Jacobson wrote. She interviewed people for her book. Phenomenal. Yeah, I got a call. So I was interviewed by Annie for her book, and one night I received an email from her, and she was going over some of my training targets, and she liked one of my training targets. It was the St. Louis Arc, the St. Louis Ark. And she said. And she wanted to use that for the book because I did a good job in remote viewing the St. Louis Ark. So she emailed me and she said, read this. Is this right? I want to put what you did about the St. Louis Ark in the book. And I. And I emailed her back and I said, yeah, I'll give you information. And then she emailed me back, and she says, can you do it now? I'm kind of in a hurry. I'm leaving for Israel tomorrow. I'm going to. Yuri Galler invited her to his house to come out. And I said, well, I thought you already interviewed him. Because she went to England to interview him. And she said, no, I interviewed him in England, but I've never been to Israel. And he asked me to go. He asked me to go to Israel. So I said, oh, well, good for you. So I guess while she was over there. So we ended on the note that we were talking about the St. Louis. The St. Louis Ark. You know, she wanted that information before she left. So she went over to Israel, and she was spending time with Yuri. And at one point she said, I want to buy postcards for my family. And they were in a tea shop. So the owner of the tea shop came over and he said, my postcards are on that top shelf. So Yuri Galler went. I guess either her or Yuri Galler went over, and I think it was him. He reached up on the and no, I think it was him because he reached up on the shelf and he picked out a postcard for her. And here it was, the St. Louis, Arkansas. And that's what she. And that's what her and I were discussing before she left. So when she saw the picture, she knew. She identified it with me.

[Sean Ryan]

Wow.

[Angela Ford]

And she freaked. I guess she kind of freaked out. And she said, oh, you're not going to believe this, but she was using this, the St. Louis Ark, as one of her for information for the paper. So anyway, I think she kind of freaked out. So she's like, oh, my goodness, why? Of all things, why the St. Louis Ark in Israel? So anyway, he signed it for me. It says, for Angela, much energy and love, Uri Geller. And then he drew a picture.

[Sean Ryan]

Wow. So what is the. That's incredible. What is the. What was the story behind your remote viewing of the St. Louis Arch?

[Angela Ford]

It was just a training target that I did. And I did a very good. And she just wanted to put it in the book, like this viewer was tasked. In other words, the St. Louis Ark is an ark. And when I remote viewed it, I drew the ark. It was just something that she wanted to show. In the book. In the book, she describes my remote viewing session of the St. Louis Ark. And when she emailed me, she said, this was an excellent session. I want to put it in the book. And she needed more information from me about the same. There was nothing significant about it. It was just a training target that I remote viewed at one time. And that she wanted information on it right before she left, before she went to meet Yuri Galler because she was impressed with the target. So my last conversation with her was about the St. Louis Ark. So when she went to see Yuri and he picked up the. The.

[Sean Ryan]

Not a coincidence.

[Angela Ford]

She. She completely thought of me and she was like, oh, my goodness. You know, I. Just. A couple of days ago, she was discussing this with me, Man.

[Sean Ryan]

I mean, what do you make of stuff like that?

[Angela Ford]

I. I don't know.

[Sean Ryan]

Does that. Does that have to do with the. Creating your own reality at all?

[Angela Ford]

I don't know. I mean, mean, I don't know.

[Sean Ryan]

You and Yuri Geller. Yuri Geller work together, correct?

[Angela Ford]

No, I never met him.

[Sean Ryan]

What is the catch? The catch? Spy story.

[Angela Ford]

What story is that?

[Sean Ryan]

I have in my notes. Angela helped up. Excuse me, Scott Carmichael.

[Angela Ford]

Scott Carmichael. No, I was on c. I was on CBS Sunday Morning News. I was interviewed, and Yuri was interviewed too, for that program, but we weren't interviewed at the same time. Okay, so I did have that connection. Well, that came after the book.

[Sean Ryan]

How did you catch a spy?

[Angela Ford]

This was. I was approached by. After the program ended, and I was back at DIA working as an analyst. You know, people would approach me. Can you do this? Can you do that? That. Because they knew what I did. And sometimes I'd help them, sometimes I wouldn't. But there was one man that really wanted help, and he asked if. He asked me if I would help him. And I think he got the okay from some higher ops. But we had to do it on private time. We couldn't do it on government time. So I was helping this man out. Do. It was a very sensitive project, and I was helping him. But whatever information I was getting, I don't know what I was getting because I didn't even know what the operation was. I gave him some information, and he called in a colleague of his by the name of Scott Carmichael. And he said, scott, I have some information here that I know what you're working on, and this information may be helpful to, you know, for some of your friends over at the State Department. By friends, he meant people that he worked with that share information with the State Department. And Scott said, well, how did you get this information? And the guy. And the man said, I got it from a psychic. And Scott said, from a psychic? Are you crazy? I'm not going to go to the State Department and tell them that this information came from a psych psychic. He said, I wouldn't. I'm not going to do that. So anyway, Scott said that he left, but he said it. You know, he had this problem. He had this. He had this case that he just couldn't get out of his mind. He just couldn't get out of his mind. So he went back to my friend and he said. He said, you know, how does this work? So the guy said, well, here, just put. What. What do you want to know? And they'll make up a little envelope, and they'll put something in the envelope, and they'll mix the envelope in with this guy's stuff, and then they'll pick it out. And some point, I would be working on Scott's project. So I guess one day I woke up, or when they gave me this project, and I don't know what I said. I identified a guy as, I think, Baker. I said the last name was Baker. Maybe the first name was Jeff. And I said he was Australian. I said he was Australian and he was going to sell us secrets. Well, that came out immediately. So Scott came back and he said that was right. They said that there was. What happened was the United States had a unit in Australia that worked with the Australians, and they were imagery analysts. And I guess one of the imagery analysts tried to sell. When you try to sell secrets, you'd never use your real name. So they knew his real name wasn't Jeff Baker, but they didn't know who he was. So now we know that they knew whatever I said was right. But now they came back to me and they said, who was Jeff? Who was Jeff Baker? So I described him as an Australian. I said what he looked like, I said his age range, I said he was on drugs. And I don't know what else I said. But so now they kind of had a profile of this person. And so now they were trying to look for him. Now, scarcely. Scott worked for the FBI because if there's any spies, the FBI always arrests them because that's the arresting agency. But Scott did not tell the FBI he was working with a psychic because he said if it ever went to court, it would may have been thrown out because they received information from a psychic. So we were kind of going along with the case, and Scott didn't think I was doing too good. But in retrospect, I don't think they were asking the questions right. And he even admitted that. But there seemed to be. It seemed to be I did really good at the beginning, and then things were kind of going. Weren't going real good. And then I don't know what I said. I said there was going to be a meeting that was going to take place. I felt that the guy would be apprehended. And there was supposed to be a meeting on a certain day. Well, now, when this kid. When this person went to the Singapore Embassy to sell the secrets, the Singapore embassy contacted the United States and said, there's a guy here trying to sell your secrets. So something was set up. Like what do you call one of those plans where you try to lure the guy in a sting. So at that point, they decided to do a sting operation. And at that time, I was kind of losing. I really wasn't doing really good at the case. But I don't know what happened. I was able to provide some information, and I can't even remember what it is. Scott wrote a Kindle book called Unconventional Method. But at that point, I didn't feel. I felt like this is. I knew it wasn't going real well, but Scott came in. The FBI agent asked Scott to come in on a Sunday to work they really wanted to work the case. And Scott started to read some message traffic. And he said, whatever. I said, whatever scenarios I was describing, this information was in this message triggered traffic. And Scott said, I think this guy, his last name was West Pierre. He was Australia. Scott said, I think this is our guy, that this is the guy we want. He's Australian. And the FBI agent said, no, the person we're looking for is Canadian. And they went back and forth, and Scott kept saying, are you sure he's not Australian? And she said, no, he's Canadian. So Scott said, well, let me look something up, because you can have dual citizenship. And here the guy had dual citizenship. He was Australian and Canadian. And here that was the guy that they were able to apprehend.

[Sean Ryan]

Wow. What does it feel like to you when you.

[Angela Ford]

Oh, I was all happy because I hate to be wrong. I'm very happy when I'm right. Because you're not right all the time. You know, it's not. You don't always get it. I mean, I can remote view and, you know, it can be very vague. It can be very, very vague. You know? You know, it can be very vague. And a lot of times you're not right, or a lot of times you may feel that you're right, but people aren't there to check out the. The information. So if you have, you know, if I'm giving information and it's right and somebody checks it out and it's right, and it go. It hits. Oh, I'm very happy.

[Sean Ryan]

What. What is your. What is. What is your. Your favorite operation that you've been a part of?

[Angela Ford]

When it comes to. I think the one with the. Finding the guy in. The Finding Jordan, Charles Jordan, the fugitive. He was the. The customs agent, the narc, the drug guy that went bad. I think that probably was the biggest. Because nobody ever thought he would be in Wyoming. That I did like doing the hostages because I felt like I was really. I felt like my information was acted upon to help them. So that made me feel good.

[Sean Ryan]

Anything with kids?

[Angela Ford]

Yes, but like. Yes.

[Sean Ryan]

Can you go into that?

[Angela Ford]

Well, yeah. Trying to locate some kids that may have been human trafficking. Yeah, that was hard. That was hard. I was able to give some locations, but I don't know if they. But I never had any feedback on that, so I figured it probably didn't go anywhere, but it could have been more of a secret. More a secret type operation, too.

[Sean Ryan]

So now you're teaching at the Monroe Institute.

[Angela Ford]

Well, I only teach the remote view part too. It's you know, like, I only teach twice. Twice a year, but it's always nice to connect with Joe.

[Sean Ryan]

Do you enjoy it?

[Angela Ford]

Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Just. Oh, you know, Joe. We just. Oh, yeah.

[Sean Ryan]

Have you ever worked with Joe?

[Angela Ford]

Oh, yeah, he's wonderful.

[Sean Ryan]

Have you? In the old days?

[Angela Ford]

No, he retired in 1984, and I came in the unit in 1986.

[Sean Ryan]

Okay. Okay.

[Angela Ford]

But I met him through Ed May, and then I. And. But yeah, he's wonderful.

[Sean Ryan]

Yeah, I. I got nothing but good things to say about him and his wife, but. So what is. Tell me a little bit about the Monroe Institute.

[Angela Ford]

Well, it's. Bob Monroe was a man, I guess he lived in New York City. He was a radio personality, I think. I think. I don't know if he owned a radio station, but he used to have out of bodies. And I guess he went to a psychologist because he thought he was crazy. And the guy said, no, you're not crazy. You're having out of body experiences. So he built the Monroe Institute, and people can go down there, and when you listen to certain frequencies, it's like. It's just teaching people how to be psychic, how to go out of body. It's. It's like a metaphysical institute.

[Sean Ryan]

So can you walk us through what you teach?

[Angela Ford]

Oh, I just teach the second part of remote. I just teach the remote viewing two, the last segment. And it's not. It's just nothing much. I mean, it's nothing much. You just put the. You talk to the students, you see what they learned. What did you learn? Look at their results. You have to teach them how to report back. I think a lot of times when you teach people to remote view, I think people can get the picture in the target, but it's hard to come out and describe what you see. So teaching people how to remote, how to come back and remember, remote report back, and just getting to know the students, finding out, you know, where at what level are they. A lot of times I recommend books to read if, you know, if they're interested in meditation, channeling. I tell them what books I would recommend. I listen to people. Sometimes something will work for one person but not the other.

[Sean Ryan]

So do you sit in with the. Do you sit in their sessions with them?

[Angela Ford]

No, I usually I just do it by zoom, mostly.

[Sean Ryan]

Oh, okay. It's by zoom. So what? So it's. So it's individual.

[Angela Ford]

Sometimes it is. No, it's with the group. But sometimes individuals get special attention.

[Sean Ryan]

Okay. Okay. So what. I mean, what is the curriculum of the.

[Angela Ford]

Of part two, Joe Teaches them how to remote view. And then I get them at the end to see how well they remote viewed. And then they do have questions on other things and then we kind of take it out of remote viewing. They have a lot of questions on other things.

[Sean Ryan]

What other things?

[Angela Ford]

Like channeling.

[Sean Ryan]

What is channeling?

[Angela Ford]

The automatic writing.

[Sean Ryan]

Okay.

[Angela Ford]

They just want another meditation like meditation. How they remote view. You know how you know how are they remote viewing? Are they. You don't. I don't want them to do the steps like the CRV out and have to report back. Mostly by the time I have them, they know how to remote view.

[Sean Ryan]

Do they do the hemi see?

[Angela Ford]

No, the hem. I don't think they do the hemi sync in remote viewing. They do it in something else. If you want hemisync, you have to go to the Monroe Institute and sign up for that. That's not remote viewing.

[Sean Ryan]

What is hemi sync?

[Angela Ford]

Then they put. You put. You listen to sound, you listen to music. And it works the brain a certain way so that you can go out of body.

[Sean Ryan]

So is it. Can you describe that a little bit more in detail why that works?

[Angela Ford]

Because it's the mechanisms in the brain. It's the mechanism, the brain has to work a certain way for you to go out of body. And that's what the music or the sounds of the hemisync do. They put your body in the frequency so that you can. You have to have a certain frequency frequency so you can go out of body.

[Sean Ryan]

Okay.

[Angela Ford]

And that's what Monroe did. That's what, that's what the Monroe Institute was all about. Teaching people how to go out of body. And what, and where does the brain. How, what frequency does the brain need to be so you can go out of body?

[Sean Ryan]

Can I ask a question? Why does it. What is the point of going out of body? Why would you trigger that?

[Angela Ford]

Probably too. I think that it expands one's consciousness. I think one can learn that there's more to life than just going out of body. I think that if you. It's better than remote viewing because if you have a. If you have a problem, if you want a problem, if you're looking for somebody and you can leave your body and go find them, you're going to have all your senses and all of your thinking. It's not going to be fuzzy. You're going to be so aware of where you are, where the person is. You can come back and report that it's not going to be so fuzzy as remote viewing where you're only using, like, the right part of the brain.

[Sean Ryan]

Do you still. Do you still go out of body?

[Angela Ford]

Sometimes, but not like I. Not like I used to.

[Sean Ryan]

Why not? Is that a personal decision?

[Angela Ford]

No, no. No. I have no control over it. I never did. I never did.

[Sean Ryan]

Do you like going out of body?

[Angela Ford]

Oh, yeah.

[Sean Ryan]

If you were out of body right now, what would you. Would you be searching for? An answer to something?

[Angela Ford]

I'd probably be looking at everything around here.

[Sean Ryan]

Where's the farthest you've traveled to?

[Angela Ford]

I think the sun. I think the sun.

[Sean Ryan]

What was that like?

[Angela Ford]

Bright.

[Sean Ryan]

Very bright, I would imagine.

[Angela Ford]

Very bright. I was very happy I remembered.

[Sean Ryan]

Can you feel. Can you feel heat? Can you feel cold? Can you feel. Doorknob?

[Angela Ford]

Yeah, you. Yeah, I could. I could feel myself walking through. Yeah. You can? Yeah. I think it's a mechanism inside the brain. Just something clicks. It's like people that levitate. Some. Something in there is working. It clicks. There's something. It's a mechanism inside the brain, and that's what we. It's. It's just a mech. It's just something in the brain just click.

[Sean Ryan]

Is it like our brain is holding in our consciousness and when that. When that something in the brain is unlocked, it releases our consciousness, it releases.

[Angela Ford]

Us into a new to another set of conscious? I guess. Yeah, I guess.

[Sean Ryan]

But it's still you, though. You realize that's you on the floor when you're out of body.

[Angela Ford]

Yeah.

[Sean Ryan]

And you're still making your own decisions on where you want to go.

[Angela Ford]

Yeah.

[Sean Ryan]

Where are some other places you've traveled out of body?

[Angela Ford]

I think I went from. I think I went, like, from Maryland to Pennsylvania to visit my family one time. I think I went to Chicago. I don't know why I went to Chicago. I just want. I don't know. I don't know. But mostly it's. Mostly it's just. It's. It's mostly just nature. Stars, trees.

[Sean Ryan]

Very interesting.

[Angela Ford]

What?

[Sean Ryan]

Am I not asking that I should be asking you?

[Angela Ford]

No, I think. I just think that. I think that you're probably very aware and intuitive yourself.

[Sean Ryan]

Why do you think that?

[Angela Ford]

Because you told me some of the experiences that you had. There's a book called Human Design. Have you read that book?

[Sean Ryan]

No, ma'am, I'm not.

[Angela Ford]

It puts people into certain categories. Like, you're either like a manifester, a generator, a creator. And it puts people into four personality types. It's a very interesting book.

[Sean Ryan]

What's that book called?

[Angela Ford]

It's called Human Design.

[Sean Ryan]

Human Design. I'm Gonna look that up and try to get the author on here, if he's still alive.

[Angela Ford]

No, it's a good book. A lot of people, in fact, I. Yeah, just. Just. It's. It's the different personalities. It just put. It puts people in four different personalities. You could be a manifester, because I. I'm a generator, so it'd be harder. It'd be hard for me to map. Be a manifestation.

[Sean Ryan]

What is a generator?

[Angela Ford]

You have to let things come to you, react to things. That a manifester will go out and get things. The generator. Information has to come to you, and then you react to the information. And that's how generators get. They react to information.

[Sean Ryan]

Okay.

[Angela Ford]

Okay. That sounds. They. Yeah. Different.

[Sean Ryan]

Do you put any significance on certain numbers? So I'll give you an example. I said a. A spiritual experience in Sedona, and which I believe God was speaking to me. And shortly thereafter, I started to see the number 444 everywhere I went. I still see it all the time.

[Angela Ford]

Okay. You look up the meaning of 444.

[Sean Ryan]

It means your guardian angels are with you and want you to know that they're with you.

[Angela Ford]

Okay. Then you're highly protected. 444 also eats up, ends up for 12. So that 12 could mean a three. And that's also a spirit. It's also protection.

[Sean Ryan]

Really?

[Angela Ford]

Three is also. Yeah, three is like big. Yeah, protection. But when people start seeing numbers and when people start finding coins, it's. When I went to see John Edward in Baltimore, you know, he said, number. When people start seeing. Pay attention to numbers, it's those are. You're getting messages. And all of. And then all of a sudden, somebody may pass and you start finding coins, that person is with you.

[Sean Ryan]

Coins. What do you mean? What do you. What do you mean?

[Angela Ford]

Sometimes when people die, people like their loved ones will start just finding coins everywhere, like pennies and just. Did you ever find coins?

[Sean Ryan]

No, not that I'm aware of.

[Angela Ford]

Yeah, I had a girlfriend who every time somebody died in her family, she would find coins. And her mother died and she found coins, so she knew that her mother was with her. I had a friend whose mother died, and the mother told her she would give her a sign that she's okay. So it was wintertime, and this bird kept showing up on my girlfriend's balcony. And my girlfriend would say, why that. Wonder why that bird's here? It's so cold, because, you know, birds. Birds fly south for the winter. And she said that bird showed up every day and was like, what's that stupid bird here? And here. She finally. It was like her mother, and then she says, oh, okay, you're okay. Then she never saw the bird again.

[Sean Ryan]

Wow. Do you believe in mediumship?

[Angela Ford]

Yeah, of course. Yeah.

[Sean Ryan]

Can you do mediumship?

[Angela Ford]

Sometimes.

[Sean Ryan]

So where are those souls?

[Angela Ford]

I guess we call it heaven. Right. It's like they're on the other side of the veil. I guess that's what we call our heaven.

[Sean Ryan]

So they haven't been reincarnated yet. Can you access. Do you believe you can access once somebody's already been reincarnated?

[Angela Ford]

Yeah, but probably. But mostly, yeah, but you just don't come back that easy. I mean, there's a whole process to it.

[Sean Ryan]

What do you mean by that?

[Angela Ford]

You go over and you just don't come back. You gotta go over there and you've got to. You have to take. I don't know, you're with other people. You have to take stock of what you do. You have to decide do you want to come back and what. It's just. You just don't go and then come back and let's get reincarnated. There's a process to it, I think.

[Sean Ryan]

Interesting. Well, I mean, could you get a little more descriptive on the process?

[Angela Ford]

Well, I think when you go over, they say that, you know, your loved ones are there and that when you pass over that your loved ones will meet you. And then they. And then they sort of take you into these. Into where, I guess the. Where the God source is. And it's really nice. And that, more or less, you can do what you want. If you want to study, they have like, the. If you want to study, you can study. If you want to fish, you can fish. You can do whatever you want. However, you do take stock. What did you learn in this life? How can you be better? And if you come back, you're with the same people and the role, you just get back.

[Sean Ryan]

Do you think it's a completely different experience when you come back, or are you reliving kind of the same?

[Angela Ford]

Well, yeah, it's the same energy, but yeah, you. You will. You will have. You will still have some of the same energy from your previous lives. That's what you have to work out.

[Sean Ryan]

Do you believe there are new souls and old souls? How are new souls?

[Angela Ford]

They're young and immature.

[Sean Ryan]

How do they come about?

[Angela Ford]

What do you mean, how do they come about?

[Sean Ryan]

I mean, if there's old souls and new souls, what creates a new soul?

[Angela Ford]

Probably someone that hasn't had many Earth experiences.

[Sean Ryan]

Do you think you can tell the difference between an old soul and a new soul?

[Angela Ford]

Oh, yeah. You can tell by a person's face.

[Sean Ryan]

What do you think I am?

[Angela Ford]

Probably an old soul. Because you're searching. You're searching, you're searching.

[Sean Ryan]

Let's talk about astrology.

[Angela Ford]

Okay, but When's your birthday?

[Sean Ryan]

October 4th, 1982.

[Angela Ford]

Okay, so you're a Libra.

[Sean Ryan]

Yes.

[Angela Ford]

Okay, so what do you want to know about astrology?

[Sean Ryan]

How does it work?

[Angela Ford]

I don't know. I don't know that much about astrology, although I do know astrologers. It's more than your birth sign, but there's a lot that they look at, okay, the time you were born and where you were born, and they look at other things. They look. I guess they look at the 12 planets and where they were at the time of your birth, and then from that they get a fuller picture of who you are. Then once they. That's your personality, and then they can take that and do projections into the future as to what could happen to you. So you may be a Libra, but your rising sign would be another. Your rising sign gives you more of your personality, and your moon placement gives you your emotions. So even though you're a Libra, you've got to look at the other things to figure out to give you the full picture of who you are.

[Sean Ryan]

How does that determine things?

[Angela Ford]

I think it's just great to know your personality and know who you are. A lot of times people will go to astrologers to look at, you know, where were the planets when I was born? And what does it all mean? And it gives. I think it can help give people a better sense about themselves, who they are, why they're here, what they would be good at, what they wouldn't be good at. And then you have transits. Like, if somebody's looking for a new job, there may be a transit coming up that's saying, well, this would be a good time to look for a new job, or this would be a good time to buy a new house. And they look at. And then they can take that and project it into the future.

[Sean Ryan]

Man, I don't know what questions to ask because I wasn't anticipating going here. But, I mean, what is it about the dates, the moon, all of this stuff that kind of predetermines. It sounds like it predetermines your personality and your strengths.

[Angela Ford]

It can. But I mean, weren't the wise men, Weren't they supposed to be astrologers?

[Sean Ryan]

They were.

[Angela Ford]

And I think Jesus was an essene he was an Essene. And that those people, they were vegetarians and they were astrologers, and the other tribes didn't like them because in the Essene tribe, women had a lot of power, and it made the other tribes upset, and that's why they didn't like Mary Magdalene. It was. It was the tribe that Jesus belonged to. He was in a scene.

[Sean Ryan]

When you look at somebody, do you feel that you can tell if they're a good person or not right off the bat?

[Angela Ford]

Oh, sure.

[Sean Ryan]

What else?

[Angela Ford]

You can do it, too.

[Sean Ryan]

I feel like I can. But I also have been wrong several times.

[Angela Ford]

And there's some people that are out of the box. Oh, yeah. And there's some people that will surprise you. And like my cousin would say, well, we just didn't see that one coming. You know, if you're wrong, all you say is, well, I didn't see that one coming. But, yeah, most of the time. But yeah. I mean, of course there's always going to be somebody that's going to take you by surprise.

[Sean Ryan]

Well, Angela, I know you have a flight to catch, and.

[Angela Ford]

But thank you very much.

[Sean Ryan]

I just want to say thank you for coming.

[Angela Ford]

Oh, it's been my pleasure.

[Sean Ryan]

Yeah. I have really enjoyed this conversation, and I hope we stay in touch.

[Angela Ford]

Oh, we will. I'm gonna get you some books. I gotta get you. Thank you. Okay. Thanks a lot.

[Sean Ryan]

My pleasure. Hey, it's Rich Eisen here. Join me and my compadre Chris Brockman every Monday on the Overreaction Monday podcast. Rich Jamis has taken the Browns to the playoffs.

[Joe McMonagle]

Dude, why can't they win seven, eight.

[Sean Ryan]

Games to finish the year?

[Joe McMonagle]

Why not?

[Sean Ryan]

I'm not saying that it's no why not, but. But this is a definitive statement that's clearly an overreaction, and it's perfect fodder for a show like this one. I appreciate you coming out of the gate Hot. Come react or overreact with us. Overreaction Monday. Wherever you listen, it's game over.

[Angela Ford]

Over.