Podcast Summary: Shed and Shine – Episode 87

Title: Caught in Thought: Shifting From Mind to Body
Date: November 5, 2025
Hosts: Gino Wickman & Rob Dube

Episode Overview

In this insightful episode, Gino Wickman and Rob Dube explore the ever-active minds of driven entrepreneurs, delving into both the brilliance and the pitfalls of living "in your head." They examine how greater awareness of your own mind can be a powerful gateway to living more freely and authentically. With practical advice, real anecdotes, and open reflections, Gino and Rob guide listeners on moving from the mind to the body, cultivating presence, and unlocking the true self beneath all the mental chatter.

Key Discussion Points and Insights

1. The Double-Edged Sword of a Busy Mind

• The entrepreneurial mind is both a creative tool and a source of stress.
• Rob Dube (00:36):

  "The mind can be brilliant at times... but at other times, it's an endless source of chatter."

• The mind helps in problem-solving and building visions, but can also create overthinking, fear, and self-judgement.

2. Love Affair with the Mind

• Gino reflects on his relationship with his mind—celebrating its role in his achievements, yet acknowledging its limits.
• Gino Wickman (01:52):

  "I love my mind. I want to spend every minute with my mind thinking, strategizing, solving, coming up with ideas.…but I realize that it's just a tool now."

• Living solely in the mind rarely brings peace; when present in his body, Gino feels more at ease and creative.

3. Practices to Move Out of the Mind

• Stillness practices like meditation, journaling, contemplation, and prayer help shift awareness to the body.
• Gino (03:47):

  "Stillness gets me out of my mind."

• Rob references "Discipline number four: Be still" as a critical practice for entrepreneurs seeking freedom.

4. Noticing When You’re Stuck in Thought

• Awareness is built through subtle observations; moving between mind and body creates distinct feelings.
• Gino (05:27):

  "When I stay very focused and present in the moment, I'm in my body, I'm in my heart… when I start to tune out because I start thinking about something, I've gone into my mind."

• The difference is palpable: being in the head is often ego-driven; being in the body/heart feels like the true self.

5. The Mind-Body Paradox and Language Limitations

• Terms like "mindfulness" and "mind-body" can be misleading or confusing.
• Gino (05:27):

  "How is mindfulness meditation—like, we're supposed to be out of our minds, but it's called mindfulness? So that's a little screwy and confusing to me."

• Ultimately, it's about understanding which part of yourself is "online" and ensuring the ego doesn't run the show.

6. Listening to the Body’s Wisdom

• Rob shares insights from his meditation practice, emphasizing the value of dropping from thought into bodily awareness to understand deeper emotions or intuition.
• Rob (07:20):

  "You notice your thinking… then say, I'm thinking, let me go down into my body for a moment and notice what is coming up for me when I do that."

7. Using Mind and Body Together

• Both hosts stress that mind and body should work in harmony—start in the mind to clarify, drop into the body for intuition, back up to the mind to act.
• Gino refers to the ego as a "masterful structure" that can trap decisions if unchecked.
• Gino (08:28):

  "The process is starting in your mind... then dropping down in your body and feeling the right solution and then back up to your mind to then make the decision. That's using both really well."

8. Performing Unscripted and Speaking from the Body

• Rob asks Gino about speaking from pure presence, with no pre-set agenda.
• Gino reveals he’s never done it 100% from that place, but aims to get closer, currently reaching about 30% "flow" in talks.
• Gino (10:56):

  "30% of that talk was completely free flowing. And then 70%, unfortunately, was prepared in my mind."

• Both discuss the journey from mental preparation to more body- and soul-led performance.

9. Real-Life Example of Mind Drama

• Rob shares a therapy session where he became aware of pointless mental drama and used presence to reset.
• Rob (11:30):

  "I start observing my thoughts... This is so ridiculous. It's so silly and meaningless. And it was just a great moment... to actually reset and to settle and to kind of get back into my body, into full presence."

10. The Destination: Operating from True Self

• Gino expresses the belief that it is possible to live fully from one's soul/true self, and he’s getting closer by increasing his awareness.
• Gino (12:53):

  "I believe it is possible to operate 100% from our true self, from our soul... just starting with the awareness and paying attention."

• He notes how striking the difference feels when he is present in his body.

11. Practical Tools: Acceptance, Breathing, and Presence

• Rob urges listeners to accept their minds’ activity—pushing thoughts away only makes things worse.
• Rob (13:46):

  "You don't need to push your thoughts away. Gino just said it's about awareness… be with the pain... and that's just a practice."

• He introduces Dr. Andrew Weil’s "4-7-8" breathing technique for quick resets (searchable on YouTube).
• The simple advice: be still, slow down, and breathe.
• Rob (14:57):

  "Remember, when kids are having a tantrum... you tell them what? Breathe. Take a deep breath. So what happens when we become adults? We don't take our own advice."

12. The Ultimate Connection

• Presence in the body leads to a profound sense of connection—to self, to others, to everything.
• Gino (15:35):

  "In that place when I was there, it felt so amazing and I felt connected to everything. Everything. And so that's another benefit of being in that place. But... when we go up into our mind, we completely disconnect."

Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• "I love my mind. I've built a lot with my mind. Now, that is my mind saying that... But I realize that it's just a tool now."
  — Gino Wickman (01:52)

• "Stillness gets me out of my mind."
  — Gino Wickman (03:47)

• "When I stay very focused and present in the moment, I'm in my body, I'm in my heart."
  — Gino Wickman (05:27)

• "Be with the pain. And if you’re experiencing that, just be with it. And that's just a practice, because if you try to push it away, you're just fueling the fire and it doesn't work."
  — Rob Dube (13:46)

• "In that place when I was there, it felt so amazing and I felt connected to everything. Everything... when we go up into our mind, we completely disconnect."
  — Gino Wickman (15:35)

Timestamps for Key Segments

• 00:36 – Rob introduces the theme: the mind as both a gift and a trap for entrepreneurs
• 01:52 – Gino’s “I love my mind” reflection and awakening to using it as a tool
• 03:47 – Stillness practices to shift from mind to body
• 05:27 – Describing the feeling of going between mind and body
• 08:28 – The process of using mind and body harmoniously in decision-making
• 10:56 – Speaking without a script: aspirations and challenges
• 11:30 – Rob’s therapy epiphany about pointless mental drama
• 12:53 – The possibility and sensation of living from the true self
• 13:46 – Acceptance, presence, breathing as tools for entrepreneurs
• 15:35 – The deep connection experienced by being present in the body

Tone and Language

The episode is conversational, reflective, and encouraging—with both Gino and Rob speaking candidly about their experiences. The advice, while practical, is grounded in vulnerability, honesty, and a real passion for helping entrepreneurs shed their old patterns and unlock true freedom.

Closing Thought

This episode is a valuable compass for any driven person looking to balance the gifts of the mind with the deeper wisdom of the body and heart. Gino and Rob’s stories and practices offers a heartfelt invitation: noticing, being still, feeling deeply, and moving closer to the true, connected self within.