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And it's like, it pains me in my heart when I see two people sitting in a restaurant and they're both on their phone.
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Hello, everyone. My name is Rob Dubay and I am here with my good friend Geno Wickman. Gino, good to see you.
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Good to see you. Shoot. Can we. Let's start over. Good to be seen. Edit.
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Much better. All right, today's episode, we're going to discuss the topic of presence, I. E. Being. Being present. Not like, can I have a present from you?
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Let me change my notes.
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Shoot.
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I thought we were talking about something.
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Different, giving each other presents. So I'm talking about deep soul level presence that reveals itself to our. To us when our minds are calm. This is the kind of presence where you might find there's kind of almost no thought, no striving, no identities, just what is in this moment. Now, there's also and misunderstood oftentimes distinction between the presence and the ego that I'm hoping we're going to talk about. Presence is not something for us to achieve. It's what remains when we stop trying. So the ego is a master of effort.
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Effort.
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Trying to heal, trying to awaken, trying to be good enough. But what happens when all that effort ceases? We talk to driven people and effort is what oftentimes what they're all about. What happens when you stop identifying with the voice in your head and you start resting in awareness? Now, how did this topic come up? Well, you read a book on your March 2025 sabbatical called the Journey into Now by Leonard Jacobson. And I followed your lead when you said it. Grabbed it. I read it. It was great. It's a great book and that's what led us to this topic. So before I kind of jump in, does anything come up for you?
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Well, a whole bunch of stuff.
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Good.
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So I don't know where to start. Do you want me to just start? Yeah, because I don't want to knock you off your track.
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I can always follow your lead.
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Awesome. You know, so I would. I would add two more words to the conversation just to create a bigger context. And that is awareness and consciousness. So presence, awareness and consciousness is what we're talking about here. We're going to keep using the word presence, but I just want to expand that because what we're talking about here is discovery number two. Decisions are made out of love or fear. And level four, which is awareness. And as Eckhard Tolle teaches us, with awareness comes transformation and freedom. And that's the magic that comes with when we are present. So we might interchange those words. But we're gonna try to use presence throughout the conversation. And I love that you brought up the book. I wasn't sure if you were going to. Because there's something he shared in the book that I thought was so profoundly simple, because it is truly one of the best books I've ever read on presence and making this point about awareness. And he talks about when we park our car in the garage and walk from the garage to the kitchen. He says that is a perfect opportunity to practice presence, because why in the hell do you need to think, you know, from the garage to the kitchen? And so just that one minute walk every day, just practice being present. Don't think about anything. And that's like the beginning to fully experiencing this. So I thought that was very profound, something to consider. Next thing that it prompted is I was having this awesome conversation with a friend yesterday, and he had an aha. And it's all. The culmination of this story is presence. Because his aha now is that when he's doing a hobby that he loves, or he's involved in a project at work or even at home, where he kind of loses himself in that hobby or that project or that thing that is presence. That's being fully engaged, that's being fully focused. That's being in the zone. That's flow. And so it was very powerful for him to just have that aha. Because then I had an aha, and I realized that's when certainly in meditation and all my stillness practices, I experience it. But then to experience it while doing, for lack of a better term, oh, that's like the icing on the cake. That then led to a thought. This gentleman would describe that word. You know, when we do the things that we love to do and we get lost in, it's called pottering. So if you look it up, there's a. That. That's a real word. But pottering, you know, some people love to gard. Some people love to write. Some people love to. Whatever it is, it's just pottering. So I wanted to throw that word out there for fun. And then I think the last thing I'll share is in a conversation with someone you enjoy being with a loved one, friends, family. Another opportunity for presence, or to be aware of being present is to practice being present with them, because that's when you fully and truly connect. You know, I think about when you and I would sit in the coffee shop and we would talk. We're just totally connected. To each other, totally focused on each other, totally present. And you can feel that. And it's like, it pains me in my heart when I see two people sitting in a restaurant and they're both on their phone. You know, it's like, who am I to judge, right? And so there's judgment coming forward, But I share that just to give a polar opposite example. So just you out there, I urge you to think about those times that you've been in conversation where you're just totally focused and present and just think about how many more times we can do that in our lives and really connect with people, really be present. So I just wanted to hit all the kind of different angles, dimensions, thoughts, and I'd love to hear what then that prompts for you.
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Yeah, well, first, how can you tap into it, you know, when you're walking? I love the example that you use walking from the car to the garage to the kitchen. And, you know, I like to always think, and you share this similar story yourself is when your kids are born. And I mean, you are fully present. If you have kids and you were there when they were born, you know, that you are as present as I can imagine you can be in any moment. So I always like to think back to that moment and try to evoke, you know, what was that feeling? And that's a feeling of being fully present, fully awakened. You know, I love that you talked about in conversation. I love that you talked about hobbies. You know, people that are lost in whatever it is that they're where it doesn't need to be a hobby. Sometimes we get lost in our work. I have, you know, I'll sit down, I'll say, I'm going to do something for 20 minutes. And next thing you know, it's two hours that I'm into it and I'm lost. I'm fully present. I'm just so embodied with it. And of course, you know, if you have the ability to get silent to whether it's, you know, on a daily basis or going on a retreat or something like that, you know, my experience, I thought I would just share, you know, full, fully awakened presence during medicine journeys. Wow. I mean, fully awakened, I can recall kind of coming out and looking out into nature where I was and seeing the trees talk to me and just feeling so connected and nothing else was happening.
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Well, and that prompts a whole bunch of things for me. So, you know, I'm going to come back to what I mentioned a minute ago. And that is, you know, again, what we're talking about here, discovery number two, level four, awareness. And it's really being aware and present of everything going on. So you're feeling all the sensations in your body and you're being aware of everything going on around you and feeling connected to that. And so, you know, what came to me is in that, you know, so just imagine being completely aware and maybe take yourself to a place. So you actually grabbed one of mine because, yes, when my kids were born. It's indescribable, that feeling. But it had to be that I was just so lost in the moment and so present with that experience that, I mean, it was just pure love. That's the only way I can describe it. The sensation, just total and absolute presence. And then the other examples that come to mind is as an EOS implementer working with my clients in the session room, as crazy as it sounds, every session I get a runner's high somewhere during the session. And that is where I am just lost in the session, so engaged, so present, so aware, so focused that I just literally get this high where I can. I see every flinch, I see every. I can read every single person's energy in the room. So just imagine that presence and how you can do that. Another thought that comes to me is at family gatherings. What I've been doing now the last couple years is, you know, it used to like, I'm an introvert, you know, so I don't love the small talk. It's kind of irritating to me and it'd be overwhelming to me. And there's all this commotion. And now what I do is I just sit there and I kind of observe it all and it's just so peaceful and it's so enjoyable. And then in conversations, they're much more engaged. It's really interesting because I'm feeling it in my body so well now. And then with that, a fun thing to pay attention to is in those conversations being that present. Then pay attention to when your ego kicks in, because that's always fun. It's like you're feeling this amazing presence and all of a sudden, bye, bye. You're like, you're gone. And somebody, they said something or something moved behind them and so very guilty, I'm guilty of that happening. And then I do want to. When you mention, you know, medicine journeys and hallucinogenics, you know, again, what's happening if and when someone ever does something like that, it's just turning your ego off. So just imagine that thing that gets so distracted, gets turned off for a couple Hours. So you absolutely are experiencing complete focus for two straight hours because your ego doesn't work for that period of time. So, yeah, it's a great way to experience that. But I always just like to give the disclaimer. You can get there in meditation, you can get there in prayer. You can get there in all of these stillness practices as well. You don't need that to get there, but at least it gives you a great glimpse if your ego's too strong to turn off if not for that walk from the car to the kitchen as we talked about.
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Great practice. Yeah. The author, Leonard Jacobson, I love this definition he had. So I wanted to share that with the audience. A state of consciousness in which a person is fully present in the current moment, free from the distractions of past regrets or future anxieties. In this state, the mind becomes still and one experiences life directly without the interference of habitual thoughts, judgments, or the ego. So you captured that in everything that you're sharing. And, you know, the ego, I don't know. Is the ego all bad? Because it makes it sound like the ego's bad.
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Yeah. And we talked about that in the previous episode and certainly other episodes as well. And I did a complete, full, I think, 15 minute riff on the ego. So go back and listen to that riff. The ego is not bad. The ego's intentions are good. The ego is really good for helping us think and strategize and solve problems. You just can't let your ego run the show because left on its own, if you let go and let your ego control you, it will run the show. It will protect you from everything on the planet. You will be trapped in a prison and you will not fully be you. So the ego is good. Its intentions are good. It's trying to protect you. It used to protect us from saber toothed tigers, but you only need a small percentage of that use. And it's about just kind of managing that ego, getting it to relax and using it for what it's very valuable for and not letting it run your life.
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That's good. That's good. So before we wrap, I love this. I want to bring it up. This will be the third time this practice that maybe you all will incorporate for the next couple days or week, or who knows, maybe even longer. Maybe you'll practice awakened presence as you walk from the garage, garage to the kitchen or whatever your version is of making a transition.
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30 minutes of meditation.
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There you go, Gino, any last words?
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That's it. Try 30 minutes of meditation. Start with 10, then go to 20, then go to 30. But that is magic. Any stillness practice for 30 minutes a day. You will experience presence, awareness, consciousness, and all these beautiful benefits we're talking about.
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I love it. I love it. And I need to mention, I'm going to hold this up to the camera. For those that are watching on YouTube, we have these stickers. And if you're not watching, imagine a circle sticker with the true self in the middle and the ten disciplines surrounding it. What happened was people were asking us, I wish I had something I could put on my desk or on my laptop, those types of things. And so we made these stickers and they become very popular, but we never talk about them. We just hand them out at events or when we see people. But we're going to give you the opportunity to have us send you one. So if you're interested, just email us at infohettendisciplines. Com. You include your name and your address and we'll ship one out to you and you can pop it on your laptop or wherever, and it'll always be at the forefront. And with that, thank you all for joining us as always, and we'll see you next time. And stay focused and much love.
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Thank you for listening in today. We truly appreciate you taking the time to spend with us and please tune in for the next episode. Until then, we wish you all the best in freeing your true self. Stay focused and much love.