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Episode: This mistake makes lead magnets fail

Host: Jenna Harding
Date: February 9, 2026

Episode Overview

In this engaging episode, Jenna Harding unpacks a common but critical mistake business owners make with lead magnets, or "freebies," that sabotages their email list growth. Drawing from her real-life experiences and her expertise as a marketing coach, Jenna explains why so many online entrepreneurs struggle to build effective email lists—and how to fix it using smarter, more client-focused lead magnets. The tone is energetic, candid, and empowering, with Jenna blending sharp marketing insights and practical advice for service-based business owners aiming to build a buzzing email list without breaking the bank on ads or tech.

Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Email List vs. Social Media: Setting the Record Straight

Timestamp: 02:00–08:00

• Jenna stresses that while email marketing is valuable, its supremacy over social media is often overstated—especially when many who “preach” email’s importance are leveraging social media to grow their lists.
  • Quote: “Anybody trying to sell you on email marketing will tell you about how high conversions are...but the names on your list have to come from somewhere.” (03:10)
• Early-stage list growth tactics (sign-up sheets at events; guesting in others’ communities) are legitimate but slow and can leave entrepreneurs feeling inadequate.
• She shares her personal journey from list envy and guilt to figuring out more scalable, fun methods for lead generation.

2. The Cost of Growing Your List with Ads

Timestamp: 08:00–10:00

• Many entrepreneurs pay $3–$5 per lead through ads. For 500 names, this could mean spending $2,500, not including ad management fees.
  • Quote: “On the high end of average, for 500 names… $2,500 bucks plus whoever’s managing your ads. That’s not fun.” (08:55)
• Jenna advocates for organic, no-cost methods using social media as the primary funnel source.

3. Anatomy of a Successful Freebie (Lead Magnet)

Timestamp: 10:00–19:30

• A freebie (lead magnet, opt-in) is something valuable you give in exchange for an email address—ideally with an easy, automated process.

• Jenna identifies the three main mistakes that make lead magnets fail:

  a. Making the Freebie a Sales Pitch

  • If your freebie is just a vehicle to immediately sell something, most people won’t want to opt in.
    • Quote: “Who wants to trade their name and email to be sold something? No.” (12:20)

  b. Overwhelming with Information

  • Some creators overwhelm recipients with huge resources hoping they’ll give up and buy, but this has “negative energy.”
    • Quote: “Do we really want to overwhelm someone so they feel desperate into working with us? No.” (13:50)

  c. Picking the Wrong Topic

  • There’s a disconnect between what entrepreneurs think is valuable and what the ideal client is eager to receive.
    • Quote: “You’re choosing a topic that you think is very valuable, but there’s a misalignment there.” (15:00)

• The best freebies are:

  • Something your ideal client already wants (not just what you think they need)
  • Not just a piece of your paid offer; instead, a "tasty delight" that solves a small, pressing problem or answers a burning question

4. The ‘Birthday Gift’ Analogy: Meeting Your Audience Where They Are

Timestamp: 19:30–21:00

• Jenna delivers a memorable analogy comparing freebies to birthday gifts:
  • Quote: “Have you ever received a birthday gift from someone… but as you unwrapped that present, you thought: this is something you like, not something I like?” (19:40)
  • The mistake: Giving a freebie you think they should want, instead of what they’re actually excited for.

5. Making Tech Easy: No-Tears Approaches

Timestamp: 17:30–20:00

• Jenna recounts her early struggles with setting up “the little box” for collecting emails, emphasizing the importance of demystifying and simplifying tech for her listeners.
• She outlines her “no tears tech” approach, offering three tech setups: simple manual, intermediate, and fully automated—catering to all levels.
  • Quote: “My favorite thing is spelling stuff like that out for people, not gatekeeping how it works and making it really, really simple to get more names on your list.” (18:50)

6. Freebie-in-a-Weekend: Low-Barrier, High-Velocity Creation

Timestamp: 15:50–20:30

• Jenna’s current two-day live event supports participants in actually creating and launching a lead magnet—start to finish—including the tech and promotional posts.
• She points out that the perfectionist, slow approach to freebies is over—her method lets you test and iterate much faster.

7. Leveraging Social Media and Speaking for List Growth

Timestamp: 22:00–24:00

• Use Instagram, Facebook, live events, and guest spots in others’ communities as prime opportunities to promote your lead magnet—no ads required.
• Even a small following can be leveraged; it's about starting with what you have and maximizing organic reach.

Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• "Anybody trying to sell you on email marketing will tell you about how high conversions are...but the names on your list have to come from somewhere."
  — Jenna Harding, 03:10
• “On the high end of average, for 500 names… $2,500 bucks plus whoever’s managing your ads. That’s not fun.”
  — Jenna Harding, 08:55
• "Who wants to trade their name and email to be sold something? No."
  — Jenna Harding, 12:20
• “Do we really want to overwhelm someone so they feel desperate into working with us? No.”
  — Jenna Harding, 13:50
• “You’re choosing a topic that you think is very valuable, but there’s a misalignment there.”
  — Jenna Harding, 15:00
• “Have you ever received a birthday gift from someone… but as you unwrapped that present, you thought: this is something you like, not something I like?”
  — Jenna Harding, 19:40
• "My favorite thing is spelling stuff like that out for people, not gatekeeping how it works and making it really, really simple to get more names on your list."
  — Jenna Harding, 18:50

Episode Flow & Structure

• [00:00–02:00] – Jenna’s viral Instagram story and her authority in list-building
• [02:00–08:00] – Email vs. social, realistic beginnings, and early struggles
• [08:00–10:00] – Costs (and cons) of paid lead generation
• [10:00–19:30] – Anatomy of a failed vs. successful freebie; biggest mistakes detailed
• [15:50–20:30] – “Freebie in a weekend” event, easy tech, and rapid testing
• [19:30–21:00] – The ‘birthday gift’ analogy: customer desire vs. expert advice
• [22:00–24:00] – Using social media and events for free list growth
• [24:00–25:00] – Closing remarks: get started, iterate, it’s easier than you think

Takeaways for Listeners

• Don’t treat email as a replacement for social media—leverage both strategically.
• The most common mistakes with lead magnets are being too salesy, too overwhelming, or solving a problem nobody actually wants solved.
• The best freebies meet your audience where they are and address what they know they want right now.
• Tech doesn’t have to be a barrier; pick the path of least resistance to get your freebie live.
• Start simple, use your current audience—even if small—and iterate fast.
• Effective list-building is about connecting value to audience desire and removing friction in the opt-in process.

For more resources and a step-by-step approach, check out the links in the episode description and consider joining Jenna’s next live freebie-building event.