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Regina Barber
You're listening to Short Wave from NPR. Hey, Shortwavers. Regina Barber here with Michael Rupbrecht. He's the Stanford Global Health Media Fellow embedded with us here at npr. Hey, Michael.
Michael Rupbrecht
Hey, Gina.
Regina Barber
Michael, welcome to the show. I hear you are bringing us a story about one of my favorite things, tv.
Michael Rupbrecht
Yeah, it's a medical drama.
Regina Barber
Awesome.
Michael Rupbrecht
But can I admit something to you, Gina?
Regina Barber
Definitely.
Michael Rupbrecht
I'm not a huge fan of medical dramas because I'm a med student in real life, I'm studying to become a doctor and I feel like most medical dramas like ER or House, they aren't super accurate.
Regina Barber
House, really? Yeah, yeah, I know.
Michael Rupbrecht
But last year, all of my medical school friends, literally all of them were talking about this one show and they told me that this one was different. This one, like, I had to watch it. It's called the Pit.
Regina Barber
Yeah, I just started watching that one. It's the one about a fictional emergency room in a hospital in Pittsburgh, right?
Michael Rupbrecht
Yeah. Season one came out last year and the show just won two Golden Globes, including the prize for best TV drama.
Regina Barber
Yeah, I thought it was a really cool concept that each episod is a single hour of a 15 hour shift. So it's like one season is one day.
Michael Rupbrecht
Yeah, you know, it's pretty fast paced and that means there's no time for deeply romantic subplots or even the sometimes far fetched storylines that usually dominate those other medical dramas.
Dr. Alok Patel
The Pit is by far the most medically accurate show that I think has ever been created. And I'm not the only one to share that opinion. I hear that a lot from my colleagues.
Michael Rupbrecht
That's Dr. Alok Patel. He's a pediatrician at Stanford Medicine Children's Health, and he's obviously a fan of the show.
Regina Barber
Yeah, I mean, I'm a fan too. I'm not in the medical field. I'm a different kind of doctor. But I found it really resonated with me, like, especially the way they portray political division and mistrust in science, which we've definitely talked about in Short Wave.
Michael Rupbrecht
Yeah, totally. Not to mention even the corporatization of healthcare. On the whole, it's pretty realistic.
Hospital Nurse
Patients, they check in for registration here, a nurse eyeballs them, makes sure they're not dying. If not, they're moved to one of two triage rooms for Vitals and a quick chair exam where you can go to your labs and your X rays and then they come back to waiting room til bed opens up.
Michael Rupbrecht
Is it always this busy?
Hospital Nurse
No, it gets a lot busier.
Regina Barber
And the new season, it just started. Michael, I heard you gotta watch it early.
Michael Rupbrecht
Yeah, Gina, it was so cool. And the show's new season is streaming on HBO Max now, so we're here to discuss whether it really holds up to the last one.
Regina Barber
Today on the show, we dive headfirst into the pit. The medical drama that's breaking barriers on how hospitals are portrayed and why healthcare workers are obsessed with it.
Michael Rupbrecht
Plus, a sneak peek at what season two has in store, from AI to misinformation and the realities of healthcare insurance.
Regina Barber
You're listening to Short Wave, the science podcast from npr.
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Regina Barber
Going to dive into season two of the pit. But before we do that, let's get a quick recap of season one.
Michael Rupbrecht
Totally. So the first season centers on the main character and veteran attending physician, Dr. Michael Robinovich, also known as Dr. Robbie. He's played by Noah Wylie.
Regina Barber
Okay, I remember him from er, but what's an attending physician?
Michael Rupbrecht
Yeah, that can get pretty confusing. So attendings are doctors who have finished years of training and they manage the students, residents and fellows on their teams. They're basically the Boss, just like Dr. Robbie is the boss in the pit. Plus his right hand man, a woman, that's the charge nurse.
Regina Barber
This makes sense to me. You got your attending and the charge nurse. They go hand in hand. It's the blonde lady that I remember, but you had mentioned, you know, Med students, fellows, residents. What do those terms all mean? Like, who are these people?
Michael Rupbrecht
Yeah, totally, Gina. It's a lot to keep track of. So let's start with med students. That's me. I'm in my fourth year. And med students typically start working in the hospital in their third year of school. Their job is to examine patients on their own and learn how to start diagnosing them. Okay, next up on the totem pole, we've got residents. They're doctors who've just finished med school, and they're training in some kind of specialty, and that training lasts for several years. And then we have fellows. Those are doctors who already finished residency training, and they want to specialize even further. Finally, they're the nurses, the physician assistants, the social workers, and other people. They're just as vital to the ER and how it functions.
Regina Barber
Yeah, I'm still in season one right now, and I was very surprised, and I know I shouldn't be, but there's, like, a social worker that's there all the time.
Michael Rupbrecht
Yeah. And Speaking of season one, to finish the summary, Dr. Robbie's struggling to cope with some pretty traumatic memories while also treating patients and managing all those members on his team who themselves are also going through some personal struggles.
Regina Barber
Yeah, it sounds like so much. Plus, he has to remember all the patients he's, like, working with all day. It was kind of boggling my mind.
Michael Rupbrecht
Yeah. And Dr. Patel told me that that's one of the most realistic parts of the show.
Dr. Alok Patel
The reality is, if you're working a busy shift and you have things happening in your personal life, the line between personal life and professionalized gets blurred, and people have moments. And the pit highlights that.
Michael Rupbrecht
Episode 11 was the climax of season one. In the last few minutes of that episode, Dana, the charge nurse, played by Catherine lanasa, talks with Dr. Robbie outside the ER and she has this big bruise around her eye.
Regina Barber
Oh, my gosh. What happened? Like, I. I haven't gotten to that part yet, but it's okay. You can spoil it for me.
Michael Rupbrecht
I mean, basically, she got assaulted by a patient just two hours ago, and she tells Dr. Rabi that she feels like she's at her rock bottom. People are angry, our temperature is shorter.
Regina Barber
And we're still just trying to help.
Dana (Charge Nurse)
I, I, I, I, I. I don't know. I don't know. Maybe what I want, what the patients need, isn't what's best for you anymore.
Michael Rupbrecht
Yeah.
Dana (Charge Nurse)
I just honestly don't know what I'm gonna do without you.
Regina Barber
That's so heartbreaking.
Michael Rupbrecht
It is. Gina. And it's also the reality for a lot of people in the medical field. Up to three quarters of healthcare workers have reported experiencing violence. Whether that's verbal abuse or physical threats or even outright assault, it all takes a toll.
Dr. Alok Patel
The new season of the Pit still has some of that tension between patients and healthcare professional. And sometimes it's completely projected or misdirected. People are misunderstanding, they're frustrated, they get pissed off. They can't see a doctor in time in the er and they may act out that whole concept of having to suppress this aggression. And then the frustration that there's not enough protection for healthcare workers. That's a very real issue.
Regina Barber
Yeah, it's something I hadn't really thought of until I started watching this show. But, Michael, can I ask what other aspects of the PIT are like, similar to what healthcare workers have to deal with in real life? Like, do they go into any new issues in season two?
Michael Rupbrecht
Yeah, Gina. You know, the second season gets into some new themes like insurance, AI, and it even gets into the weeds of charting.
Regina Barber
Okay, let's take a step back. Let's talk about the first episode of season two, which aired last Friday.
Michael Rupbrecht
Yeah, episode one opens with that same busy and crowded ER that we're all familiar with for from season one. But this time around, it's July 4th and we meet a new doctor in the first few minutes of the episode.
Regina Barber
Wait, I haven't started it yet. Is Dr. Robby gone?
Michael Rupbrecht
Oh, no, no, no, no, no, no. He is still there, don't worry. But there's another physician joining him. Her name is Dr. Al Hashimi. She's played by Seppei Demowafi.
Dana (Charge Nurse)
She's some sort of clinical informatics expert. When she started talking about AI, I started thinking about rock robots and kind of stop listening clear.
Michael Rupbrecht
That sort of captures the headbutting between her and Dr. Robbie. That kind of becomes evident as we progress through this first episode. Her take on using AI in the er. She actually encourages the residents to use it to take notes.
Regina Barber
I just got a new family doctor and she used AI. She recorded our exam and she was like, there. It's. There's going to be a transcript. So I know what we talked about.
Michael Rupbrecht
Yeah, totally. This is something that's on our radar and people are excited about it. But there some real concerns like patient privacy and accuracy. And they talk about that in the show.
Regina Barber
Yeah.
Michael Rupbrecht
Another interesting aspect of this season is how it gets into disability and access.
Regina Barber
What do you mean?
Michael Rupbrecht
Well, there's this scene in the first episode where we see A patient sitting in the waiting room. And this waiting room is super busy. But as the camera pans over to her, it all goes silent. And we quickly realized that this patient is deaf, which really impacts her experience in the hospital, how the doctors interact with her, the type of care that she gets. And that's unfortunately true in the real world as well.
Regina Barber
What do you mean, the type of care she gets? Like, can you give me an example?
Michael Rupbrecht
Well, when a patient, like in this case, needs an interpreter who can sign asl, the doctor patient relationship can thin out. And later in the season, we see this patient's first interaction with the doctor. Instead of making eye contact with the patient, the doctor faces the ASL interpreter during the interaction. And while it's subtle, you know, it can leave patients feeling pretty sidelined or even invisible.
Regina Barber
Yeah, that makes total sense. How else does disability make its way into this season?
Michael Rupbrecht
You know, later in the season, we also meet a doctor who uses a wheelchair to get around, which is just a reminder that medical experts are not a monolith. Right. And there are both disabled and non disabled people working in the er.
Regina Barber
Yeah, that's a really powerful message. You had mentioned earlier that insurance was a theme in season two as well, right?
Michael Rupbrecht
Yeah, and we don't quite get into it in the first episode, but viewers will definitely notice in later episodes that insurance takes a big role. You know, it's almost like a character itself, which seems pretty apt for this moment when many Americans are facing a really sharp rise in costs. And in real life, this unfortunately happens pretty regularly. While patients shouldn't have to worry about insurance, they do. Like, sometimes my patients only get what their insurance will reimburse. And, you know, that treatment they do get, it's not always the best or even the standard of care.
Regina Barber
Yeah. And along these slightly depressing lines, there's growing misinformation that doctors are battling in the real world. Right.
Michael Rupbrecht
Yeah, you'll find it in the pit too, unfortunately. And I don't want to spoil anything here, but it does involve someone getting their information from social media.
Regina Barber
My doctors have actually mentioned this.
Michael Rupbrecht
Yeah, I mean, it's a pretty accurate representation of how misinformation can spread. I still remember this moment from my pediatrics rotation when I was counseling a parent on immunizations.
Regina Barber
Okay.
Michael Rupbrecht
And I could tell the parent really, really loved their kiddo, but they ultimately declined to vaccinate their child because they were worried about a debunked myth. And while I think it's incredibly important, patients do their own research and are empowered in their care, the sources they turn to are equally as important.
Regina Barber
Yeah. Did Dr. Patel or other experts you talked to say what was less accurate to real life in the show? Like, was there anything the show got wrong?
Michael Rupbrecht
Not everything is totally accurate. For instance, med students can't order meds. You need that MD after your name to do that.
Regina Barber
That makes sense.
Michael Rupbrecht
And another thing that is unlikely is for one shift to have so many complex cases. These cases definitely happen, but usually not all in one day. And one common complaint among all medical dramas is how inaccurate CPR is.
Regina Barber
Really? How so?
Michael Rupbrecht
Well, CPR is pretty violent, actually. Rib fractures occur in a majority of patients who undergo cpr. And other trauma can happen, too.
Regina Barber
Well, it is a show. They can't be too violent with their actors. Michael, thank you so much for talking to me about all this.
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I'm excited to watch the second season.
Michael Rupbrecht
Thanks so much for having me. This was such a blast.
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Date: January 20, 2026
Host: Regina Barber (NPR), with guest Michael Rupbrecht (Stanford Global Health Media Fellow)
Also featuring: Dr. Alok Patel (Stanford Medicine Children’s Health)
This episode takes a deep dive into the realism of the hit medical drama The Pit. Hosts Regina Barber and Michael Rupbrecht examine why the show resonates so strongly with real healthcare workers, explore the show’s accuracy with expert opinions, and spotlight how season two tackles new challenges including artificial intelligence, disability, and misinformation in medicine.
Authenticity Recognized by Medical Professionals
Unique Narrative and Structure
Grounded Portrayal of Real Issues
“I just honestly don’t know what I’m going to do without you.” — Dana, Charge Nurse (07:38)
The show addresses violence against healthcare workers. Up to “three quarters of healthcare workers have reported experiencing violence...it all takes a toll” (07:43).
Dr. Patel explains: “That whole concept of having to suppress this aggression... there’s not enough protection for healthcare workers. That’s a very real issue.” (07:59)
“The Pit is by far the most medically accurate show that I think has ever been created.”
“I just honestly don’t know what I’m going to do without you.”
“That whole concept of having to suppress this aggression ... there’s not enough protection for healthcare workers. That’s a very real issue.”
“Sometimes my patients only get what their insurance will reimburse. And, you know, that treatment they do get, it’s not always the best or even the standard of care.”
“The sources [patients] turn to are equally as important.”
(This episode was produced by Hannichin, fact-checked by Tyler Jones, edited by Rebecca Ramirez, audio engineered by Maggie Luthar. Hosted by Regina Barber.)