Sophie Cunningham REACTS to Michael Porter Jr.'s WNBA comments & West Wilson’s BravoCon Wipeout

Summary

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Show Me Something – Episode Summary

Podcast: Show Me Something
Hosts: Sophie Cunningham & West Wilson
Episode: Sophie Cunningham REACTS to Michael Porter Jr.'s WNBA comments & West Wilson’s BravoCon Wipeout
Date: November 21, 2025

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Episode Overview

In this lively episode, Missouri natives Sophie Cunningham (WNBA & Indiana Fever star) and her longtime best friend West Wilson (reality star, Summer House) catch up on stories from their worlds, laugh at viral mishaps, and dig deep into the ongoing discourse sparked by Michael Porter Jr.'s controversial WNBA comments. The duo also celebrates positive community stories, shares advice for young athletes and those facing tricky family situations, and teases a can't-miss Kansas City hometown party.

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Major Segments & Key Insights

Hometown Party Announcement & Opening Banter

[02:38 – 05:46]

• West announces he’ll try to swear less in response to listener feedback—immediately undermined by Sophie’s playful cussing.
  • "Fucking do better. Wes, what the fuck are you doing? Fucking rude of you." – Sophie ([03:42])
• The pair excitedly reveal their first Show Me Something party in Kansas City (Dec. 6th at No Other Pub, sponsored by Arby’s).
  • "So, those are my two big things: no cussing and our party." – Wes ([05:36])
  • Sophie and Wes reminisce about seeing each other less often these days and joke about the confusion regarding the party’s venue.

BravoCon Wipeout: West’s Viral Vegas Mishap

[07:02 – 09:05]

• West addresses a video of him and friend Jesse wiping out at a packed Vegas nightclub during BravoCon.
  • 3–4 a.m.; both run directly into a stanchion while leaving VIP.
  • “He just fucking runs right into a stanchion pole. He falls, then I fall behind him—hit me right in the dick.” – Wes ([07:23])
• The clip goes viral, with Sophie playfully shaming Jesse for not warning Wes.
• West reflects on how the trip, meant to be all about ‘seriousness and photos,’ was immediately humbled by this dorky fall.

Hot Girl of the Week: Women Uplifting Women

[09:05 – 14:59]

• Sophie’s Pick: The sisters who run Champs Bar on Lake Geneva, WI, honoring their late father by displaying Sophie’s jersey in the bar.
  • "They’re putting up this memorial of their dad, and he wanted my jersey up there next to him. Isn’t that so nice?" – Sophie ([11:59])
• West’s Pick: Dorit Kemsley (RHOBH) for her iconic “smoking on stage” Bravo Awards win.
  • “She just walked up smoking hot, pulled out a fucking cig, lit it on stage and—iconic.” – Wes ([14:05])
• The pair laugh at Sophie’s disastrous ‘Doritos’ pun about Dorit’s name and discuss viral memes and reality celebrity boldness.

Michael Porter Jr. vs. WNBA: Candid, Nuanced Debate

[20:55 – 29:18]

• West sets up the controversy: NBA player (and hometown peer) Michael Porter Jr. has said “a lot of insane stuff,” particularly about WNBA.
• Sophie, inundated with tweets, clarifies the context and timeline and offers her unfiltered athlete’s perspective:
  • "If you’re in that elite level group...yeah, you should be able to beat the girls. I’m not surprised by that...Any NBA player could beat a female in high school." – Sophie ([22:21])
• They talk through the nuances:
  • The original MPJ quote was about elite 8th-grade boys beating WNBA players. Sophie admits size, strength, and athleticism matter, and that biology often gives boys an edge at a certain level.
  • "I just don't get why it’s continuing to get brought up." – Sophie ([22:21])
  • They question why MPJ fixates on this topic, with Wes suggesting it might be due to insecurity.
    • “Everything he’s ever said is like, men and women—him just, like, being so weirdly insecure about women being around him.” – Wes ([23:07])
• They reminisce about their powerhouse Rock Bridge High School team (Sophie + MPJ’s sisters), how few wanted to play them, and the unique dynamics of girls' vs. boys' sports.
  • Sophie: “At the end of the day, the men in sports will always win. Duh.” ([28:45])
  • Both agree: context and realistic comparison matter, and clickbait distorts the discussion.

Listener Q&A: Advice & Life Lessons

[39:54 – 46:32]

• Advice for JUCO Athlete:
  • Caller asks for guidance for his son, an incoming junior-college baseball player.
  • Wes: stresses being present, building community, and not letting athletics solely define self-worth.
    • “Having good relationships with your teammates, your coaches...will make your athletic experience like that much better.” ([41:57])
  • Sophie: champions time management, “stacking the days,” embracing the grind, and loving the journey.
    • “Everyone wants to be the star right away…but that’s not reality. Stack the days, enjoy it, love your teammates.” ([42:19])
• Navigating Difficult In-Law Relationships:
  • Caller deals with tension around in-laws.
  • Wes and Sophie (though admitting limited experience) suggest open communication with one's spouse, having a “doorway” ally in the family, and maintaining peace where possible.
    • “If it’s just holiday or birthday, keep the peace—who cares…but if it’s every month, you gotta figure that out.” – Wes ([45:53])
    • “Just go in with good vibes, try to find one person to connect with.” – Sophie ([45:43])

Sporting Rivalries, Mascot Madness & Missouri Pride

[30:05 – 38:38]

• West hypes “Brawl of the Wild”—Montana State vs. Montana—detailing the rivalry’s lore and his own experience with a missing-name game jersey.
• Sophie and Wes amuse themselves with stats on college “cat” mascots, firing off the number of Tigers, Bobcats, Cougars, and more in D-I sports.
  • “Sixteen Cougars, Panthers, three Jaguars, one Leopard, six Lions, fourteen Tigers.” – Sophie ([37:54])
• Laugh at shared small-town knowledge—why a bobcat is called a bobcat (“because of their tails”).

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Notable Quotes

• On Michael Porter Jr. Comments:

  • Sophie: “If you’re in that elite level group, yeah, you should be able to beat the girls...Any NBA star could beat a female in high school.” ([22:21])
  • Wes: “Everything he’s ever said is just so weirdly insecure about women being around him.” ([23:07])
  • Sophie: “At the end of the day, the men in sports will always win. Duh.” ([28:45])

• On Iconic BravoCon Moment:

  • Wes: “She just walked up smoking hot, pulled out a fucking cig, lit it on stage and—iconic.” ([14:05])

• On Student Athlete Advice:

  • Wes: “Having good relationships with your teammates, your coaches...will make your athletic experience like that much better.” ([41:57])
  • Sophie: “Stack the days...embrace and love the journey.” ([42:19])

• On Holiday Shopping:

  • Sophie: “Giving someone something that actually makes them slow down and breathe, that’s next level.” ([39:10])

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Episode Highlights & Memorable Moments

• Sophie’s dry, relentless teasing of Wes for his cussing “problem.”
• The viral nightclub wipeout story—a dose of humility for West among Bravo’s reality TV elite.
• Personal insights on women’s sports, why clickbait drives the wrong gender discourse, and unfiltered honesty from a professional WNBA player.
• Genuine small-town friendship energy—Missouri pride, trivia on cat mascots, and heartfelt listener advice show the show’s warmth and relatability.

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Important Timestamps

• Kansas City Party Announcement: [03:48 – 05:46]
• BravoCon Wipeout Story: [07:02 – 09:05]
• Hot Girl of the Week (Champs Bar & Dorit Kemsley): [09:05 – 14:59]
• Michael Porter Jr. WNBA Comments/Discussion: [20:55 – 29:18]
• Listener Q&A (Athlete & In-Laws): [39:54 – 46:32]
• Mascot Trivia & Cat Count: [37:40 – 38:05]
• Brawl of the Wild Rivalry/Personal Anecdote: [30:13 – 33:51]

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Tone & Style

• Playful, unfiltered, and warm
• Frequent cussing (called out and then ignored)
• Blend of honest sports analysis with reality TV fandom
• Friendly Midwestern banter and uplifting spirit

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For listeners new to the show or this episode, Sophie and Wes offer a real, nuanced look at both sports-world debates and everyday life, proving you can swap between viral Vegas wipeouts, WNBA hot takes, and wholesome advice—all with a laugh.

Transcript

[Sophie]

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[Wes]

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[Wes]

Are you kidding?

[Sophie]

Sixteen Cougars, Panthers, three Jaguars, one Leopards, six Lions, fourteen Tigers.

[Wes]

Fourteen Tigers. There's more. Bobcats and Tigers.

[Sophie]

Surprising.

[Wes]

Damn. But do either of you know why a bobcat is called a bobcat?

[Sophie]

Cuz they're tails.

[Wes]

Yeah. Good. That's not everyone gets that.

[Sophie]

Really?

[Wes]

Yeah.

[Sophie]

That was so country of us to both know that.

[Listener Caller]

Foreign.

[Wes]

Whoa. Ooh. Welcome back to Show Me Something podcast. I do have to note something. I don't read the comments very often, but I checked in yesterday and a lot of people said I've been cussing too much. So I would like to say this is a note. I'm going to try to say less F bombs today. So Sophie, if I, if I cuss, you can tell me to stop and call it out for me.

[Sophie]

Fucking do better. Les, what the fuck are you doing? Fucking rude of you.

[Wes]

Sorry. So I, like I said earlier, I'm going to try to cuss less. And Sophie and I have breaking news. It's going to shock the world. We're coming home to Kansas City, Missouri for a little party.

[Sophie]

Wait, I'm actually so excited for that and the amount of people who are like, wait, how can we rsvp? Like, what if we don't get in? Can you guys get us in? Like, I think this is about to be like a really big fun deal for us.

[Wes]

So if you're in the Kansas City area or if you're even in Columbia or St. Louis and want to drive up, pull up. It is the same weekend as Mizzou, KU basketball and Chiefs, Texans football. So lots going on. Yep, huge weekend. But we're going to be at a restaurant. It's like a bar, a pub. But I, I looked on Facebook and this guy was like, he was like, man, I can't believe they're having a party at Arby's. That's awesome. So the party is sponsored by Arby's guys. It's at no other pub 2:30 to 6. And Arby's is bringing the. The food and the drinkies and the games. But it's going to be really fun.

[Sophie]

It really will be. Like, we're going to be very interactive. All of our friends and family are going to be there. There's going to be just a bunch of people there, so. And honestly, it's going to be a great weekend for all types of football, especially Kansas Mizzou. And then you definitely have achieves like you mentioned. But this is like a big fun weekend, so I think it's going to be so fun.

[Wes]

Meet and greet, Kansas Mizzou. Kansas Mizzou. Basketball. Basketball, I add.

[Sophie]

Yeah, yeah.

[Wes]

But yeah. December 6th. I don't even think I said the date in the beginning. So. First weekend of December. Pull up. That's our big announcement for today. Because Sophie and I don't even get to see each other that much.

[Sophie]

We really don't. We need to do better about that. But I will say with it too, people are like, well, what's it called? The pub is actually called no other pub. Like that's correct. That's the place. So come hang out with us.

[Wes]

Yeah. Gonna be fun. But that's the news we're dropping. So those are my. Those are my two big things. No cussing and our party.

[Sophie]

Okay, well, I have some like, fun things to talk about, but I think I want to wait for the hot girl section.

[Wes]

Oh, okay.

[Sophie]

I just got.

[Wes]

Okay.

[Sophie]

Yeah, yeah. Cuz it's. It's like a good, like, it kind of made me tear up a little bit. Like I loved it, so. I know.

[Wes]

Wait. Okay. The first day of BravoCon in my Vegas hotel room, I was like kind of hungover and I didn't have to be anywhere till one. And I fell into the deepest hole of like, you know, they call them like hope core videos. Just like the tick tocks that'll make you cry.

[Sophie]

Yes.

[Wes]

My eyes were so puffy and I was just sobbing in my bed for two hours and I was like, I cannot go. I have to like, I just put my phone down, like, shower. I look like such a nightmare. But the Internet, you put like just a little piano and something just beautiful. It'll get you well.

[Sophie]

I feel like there are so many really cool, positive, heartwarming things. But like, if you've turned on the TV and go to news, it's all like really bad, negative things. But if you get on the right side of social media, there's just so many things to like, smile about. Like, there's love all around. Like, I love going down those rabbit holes. Seriously? Yeah, it's good.

[Wes]

You want to build your FYP for the good.

[Sophie]

Yeah.

[Wes]

I would like to address a video that's been circulating the Internet of Jesse and I wiping out in a club. We were trying to leave. This is the first night or second night. I don't remember.

[Sophie]

What time was it?

[Wes]

Like, like 3 or 4am Probably.

[Sophie]

Okay.

[Wes]

It was crowded as like. Even the VIP area where we were was like mad crowded. It was just like crazy. And so finally we were like, let's go. Kyle stayed, of course, but Carl, Jesse and I and whoever else we were with were like, let's go. So a security guard starts leading us out. I didn't realize people even were like, filming us. Leave. But we're leaving and I just am grabbing Jesse and Jesse's six. Six. So I like, can't see anything. We're just going to. And he just fucking runs right into a stanchion pole. He falls, then I fall behind him, hit me right in the dick. And it was just like. You try to leave all cool because you have like a security guard and everyone's like watching or like grabbing you. And we just. And like, it was right where it opened up and it wasn't even that crowded and we just smoked a pole. But Grocery cart theory, I did pick it up and made sure that there was no damage. And then we left and I went home and. Ice my balls, dude. I thought that was Jesse. It's Jesse's fault.

[Sophie]

Well, Jesse almost. Jesse kind of fell over it too. But then, like, he didn't say anything to you and so you just ran directly into it.

[Wes]

No, he just kept going.

[Sophie]

I know.

[Wes]

Oh, yeah.

[Sophie]

It didn't even look if you were good. But you guys did fall fall, which was good. You just tripped over it, which is even kind of better.

[Wes]

I think that would have been bad, but it just looks. It looks so, like, awkward and. Oh, oops, sorry. Fricking awkward and dorky. And it's just funny because the whole weekend's about, like, being serious and taking pictures and photos and whatever, and that was just good stuff.

[Sophie]

I do love that. I didn't know what you were about to say. I thought something else had circulated the Internet and I was like, oh, that's.

[Wes]

That's the worst of it. I love, I love.

[Sophie]

Okay, well, I don't really have much. We just got done talking, so I think that we should actually just get right into the hot girl of the week, because I just need to tell you the story.

[Wes]

Yeah, I could tell. You're fucking drool. God damn it. Sorry. Frickin. You're drooling at the. Drooling at the mouth. We have free will. We can make Hot Girl of the Week. A beginning segment. Okay, well, presented By Arby's.

[Sophie]

I think I'm just, like, ultra excited about this. I don't even know why, because I don't even know them. But so I'm wearing this hat. It's called Champs. Right.

[Wes]

Okay.

[Sophie]

And they also sent me a.

[Wes]

Come in. Come in a little closer. What's the little logo at the bottom?

[Sophie]

It's like a.

[Wes]

Okay. It's a little trophy. Like, a little trophy emoji.

[Sophie]

They sent me a jersey.

[Wes]

Mizzou colors.

[Sophie]

Yep. Which might be, like, their bar, too. I don't know.

[Wes]

Do we have a location base for this brand?

[Sophie]

It's a. Oh, my God. I just turned on the tv. Sorry. Did you hear that?

[Wes]

It sounded like that was, like, a sound effect for the jersey.

[Sophie]

That just scared the out of me. I've been watching a scary, like, show, and that freaked me out. So my hot girl of the week is actually Jess in the Champs Bar on Lake Geneva in Wisconsin. So it's from. It's a little bar on Lake Geneva.

[Wes]

Wait, okay.

[Sophie]

Have you been.

[Wes]

My brother's. My brother's girlfriend has a house on Lake Geneva, and she takes Henry there, like, multiple times throughout the year.

[Sophie]

Dude, they've had a herd of champs. She played at Duke. Her name's Haley Grecki. She played in the league for a little bit, and then she got traded to Phoenix. So we were actually teammates out in Phoenix, Arizona, with a Mercury for, like, a season, I think. And now she's, like, some really cool sports agent, and she's doing really cool things, but they. She's always at Lake Geneva. Like, that's where, you know how, like, we go to the Ozarks or, like, you go to the football games with Casey, with all your guys from high school. This is where her friend group goes. And they just, like, look like such a great time. They're always on a boat, they're always on the water, drinking, hanging out, Just a good group of people. And so every time she's there, I'm always like, oh, God, take me sometime. Like, I would love to go. It just looks awesome. And so they were at Champs, and the owner found out that we were friends. Okay. And so her and her dad were, like, huge, huge basketball fans. The dad was, like, a mega fan. Like, a really cool, just, like, loved women's sport.

[Wes]

Women's basketball.

[Sophie]

Yes.

[Wes]

An ally.

[Sophie]

So he actually passed away. Yeah.

[Wes]

Which is, like, rest in peace.

[Sophie]

Yes. Which is, like, super sad. But now her and her sister own the bar and are, like, thriving and killing it. And so, like, it's Just like you. I have, like, a whole sheet of, like, their whole story. And, like, I never read those, like, ever, so I'm not so sure why I read this one, but it, like, brought me to tears because just, like, they are putting this, like, memorial kind of. Like, I don't. I don't even know what you call it. Like, up in their bar of, like, their dad, and, like, he wanted my jersey up there, like, next to him. Isn't that so nice? I know.

[Wes]

Wow.

[Sophie]

And so I sent and, like, wrote a little note, and I was like, cheers to your dad on the jersey. And then signed it and like, oh, that's really cute. Yeah. So, like, their story is just super cute. Plus, now they're like, you have to.

[Wes]

You have to go now.

[Sophie]

Well, I know, dude. Like, we should. I don't know when we would ever have the time, but it'd be so fun for us to, like, bounce around to different lakes and have, like, a.

[Wes]

Little, like, lake tour. Like, May from. Well, that's in the middle of your season.

[Sophie]

Can't do that. But, like, that's what I'm saying is, like, instead of doing, like, tours, we should do, like, a lake tour.

[Wes]

I know. Maybe you go slow on your rehab and we can do it this next summer.

[Sophie]

Hey, well, with how the CBA is going, we might not even have a season, so maybe this is our year.

[Wes]

Do you want to unpack that? I'll go my hot girl, and then you can go your hot girl of the week. Or then you can tell us about the cba. Wait, I don't think you.

[Sophie]

So, my hot girls of the week, just to clarify, are the.

[Wes]

Yes. Yes.

[Sophie]

Yeah. The two sisters who are running frickin champs on Lake Geneva in Wisconsin.

[Wes]

My hot girl of the week is. There's no shot. You watch the Bravo Awards, Sophie. But one of the awards was for, like, best use of a prop. And the winner was Dorit Kimsley, who is a housewife on Beverly Hills and whatever the scene was. I remember seeing it memed on Twitter or whatever. And she was like, I'm sure some shit happened. And she hops in her car and, like, is speeding down the highway and, like, lighting a cigarette, and it was just, like, super iconic. So she wins the award, and they called her up, and she just walked up smoking hot.

[Sophie]

Oh.

[Wes]

And was like, appreciate it. Pulled out a fucking cig, lit it on stage and was like. And it was real. And then walked to the back with her award and her cigarette in hand. And I was like, dude, what a fucking what's her name? Dorit Kimsley.

[Sophie]

Hold on.

[Wes]

So hot, so cool. And then what brought it home for me was on TikTok. Someone made an edit of it with a Limp Bizkit song. The song break stuff and it is just like this. The fucking most badass shit I've ever seen ever. And Dorit Kimsley is my hot girl of the week. And it's not even fucking close.

[Sophie]

Dude. How do you spell that?

[Wes]

D O R I T. It was iconic.

[Sophie]

Dorit.

[Wes]

I'm sending it Dorit.

[Sophie]

D O R I T. Yeah.

[Wes]

Kimsley. Wait, will you please watch this video I'm sending you?

[Sophie]

Oh, here it is. Founder. She didn't even say anything.

[Wes]

No, Just lit a sig and walked off. Iconic.

[Sophie]

Dude. That is funny as.

[Wes]

So that's my hot girl of the week. That was the coolest thing I've ever seen in my life.

[Sophie]

Dude, that is.

[Wes]

It was an honor. It was an honor to share a stage with you. Dream.

[Sophie]

Wow.

[Wes]

So that's cool, man.

[Sophie]

That was. That was. I was not expecting it to like. She seems like a cool chick too.

[Wes]

I. It's crazy being around all these housewives because they're like, they're cool and you. I just. Obviously it's hard to feel like I can relate to them on a lot of things, but they're. They're sick. That was so tight.

[Sophie]

Well, yeah. I mean, what was she so stressed about?

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[Sophie]

Do you think that her her mother and father just love Doritos and they wanted to name her Dorit?

[Wes]

That's the worst joke you've made since we started this podcast.

[Sophie]

No, but I was just talking about I just had Doritos the other day. Oh no, sorry, there's a kitty Dorit. Doritos.

[Wes]

Oh, it was her and her husband announced publicly announced that they were separating. So it's a little dark, but fucking. I don't care. She rocks. Wow.

[Sophie]

Well ladies, if you're trying to impress Mr. West Wilson, just go ahead and when you're around and pop out of Sig and don't say shit.

[Wes]

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[Sophie]

Really? This offseason, he's been on one.

[Wes]

He's been saying dumb shit, though, for a while.

[Sophie]

Yes. But I feel like this off season in particular, he's just unfiltered.

[Wes]

Yeah, but so the. The Nets told him there's the first team to be like, hey, maybe stop talking out loud.

[Sophie]

Oh, they said that?

[Wes]

Yes. That's why it got brought up again. So he talked about you and then. Then the. The Nets put out a thing being like, can you, can you not do this anymore, please?

[Sophie]

I didn't know that.

[Wes]

Okay, but you read the quote though.

[Sophie]

Well, so I will just tell you. I was working out and when did this tweet. Can you scroll down? When did this tweet come out? Last summer? Yesterday. I guess this, like, started kind of hitting social media platforms. But I'm not kidding. I think maybe 35 people sent me this tweet yesterday. And I, and I was like, what? But he said this kind of like, I feel like a year or like at least four or five months ago, something kind of regarding the same topic. So I thought it was just kind of like resurfacing, but then I saw it and I was like, but I. People are kind of going in on him because it doesn't, like the timeline doesn't make so much sense.

[Wes]

Well, from what I gathered, he basically was trying to say no one should compare NBA and WNBA players together because he could beat you guys in basketball. And one on one, when he was in eighth grade and you guys were.

[Sophie]

In high school, I think, and this is my personal opinion, but if you are a professional football player, basketball player, really, any sport, but let's just take it basketball, because that's where we're both at. Like, to me, like, if, if you're in that elite level group, yeah, you should be able to beat the girls. Like, I'm not, I'm not surprised by that. Like, that is not. I just don't get why it's continuing to get brought up. And like, if women are, are saying that, like, he couldn't beat them. Yeah, he could. Any NBA, any NBA star or player could beat a female in high school.

[Wes]

Okay, I agree. I think people are like, why are you still like, everything he's ever said is like, men and women. Him just like, being so weirdly insecure about women being around him and like their, like, reflection of him. I think it wouldn't be that big of a deal if he hasn't been talking about true women so much the last like two years.

[Sophie]

Why did, like, what was this a response to? Like, I haven't watched anything. I haven't watched?

[Wes]

I wanted to know the same thing. What was, what was the response? Yeah, wait, I'm gonna look this up on Perplexity real fast and ask because it'll be faster. The original prompt discussion was about whether elite male teenagers in middle school or high school could beat or dominate WNBA players who are said, I'm probably going to go with eighth grade. I have real experience doing this. Okay, so that is fair.

[Sophie]

Yeah. The context of it is fair. Yeah.

[Wes]

He was asked, at what age do you think men could beat WNBA players? And his take was 8th grade. Do you think an 8th grader could hang a group of elite 8th graders could beat a WNBA team?

[Sophie]

I mean, if they're. If they're future pros, dude. I mean, it just depends how big they are at that age.

[Wes]

Like, well, yeah, that's. Yeah.

[Sophie]

And the majority of the time, if they're going pro, unless you're a late bloomer, like, you're already pretty big. And like, I mean, that's.

[Wes]

No, they're massive eighth grade boys.

[Sophie]

Yeah. So I would say that that's like, probably, honestly true.

[Wes]

I don't want to.

[Sophie]

I mean, it's probably true. Like, Like, I. I don't want to be unrealistic or delusional. Like, men are just stronger, bigger, athletic. Like, they just are a different build. And so if you put them up against females of. I'm like, well, yeah, they're gonna win. Duh.

[Wes]

Here's my biggest question for you, Sophie. Do you think there are any players in the WNBA who would fight it and say we could beat any high school team of boys, were that much better? Like, no one, no one younger could ever hang with us?

[Sophie]

Oh, no. Well, I think if you put like the best of the best of the WNBA against a group of 8th grade boys or future NBA guys.

[Wes]

Well, I was going to say high school for this. For the hypothetical that we're starting now. 8th grade is a little too pre pubescent for me. Or like, but once you get to high school seniors, like, Cooper Flagg was a high school senior two years ago.

[Sophie]

Dude, there's no way.

[Wes]

So, like, there's no way.

[Sophie]

I'm not saying, like, there. There are some females who can outshoot, who can pass the shit out of it, who are strong, can rebound, can. Like, we all have the skill. But it's all like, if you put a. Their best high school against the best wnba. I just don't. I just. The male and female are just so different. I just don't think that's a fair matchup.

[Wes]

That is a fair, fair case for MPJ and the fact that he got maybe clickbaited, given that there was no context and everyone on this podcast has been clickbaited or freaking clickbaited before. So, you know, I will allow you to use this time. We'll give you, like, however much time you want to talk about what the Rockbridge High School basketball roster looked like, though. Cause he was talking about his sisters and you.

[Sophie]

Yeah, actually. This is good. This is good.

[Wes]

I. I will do it for. I'll do it for you if you want to be humble. But I think you should do it.

[Sophie]

Yeah, I'll do it. Because there's not private schools who recruit, will pay for the kids schooling. Do all that.

[Wes]

St. Louis is, is a jackpot of a zillion private schools that are so good and they can recruit, they're good at football, basketball, soccer, literally everything. Kansas City, much more public high schools, but like still do it. We went, we went to public high school in a smaller town than Kansas City and St. Louis and then seven floors. Yours.

[Sophie]

Sorry. Six. Four. Six.

[Wes]

These are, these are Michael Porter Jr's sisters.

[Sophie]

Yep.

[Wes]

Who are tall. Tall and beautiful, may I add.

[Sophie]

Stunning.

[Wes]

I just want to sneak that in there.

[Sophie]

Yeah. Their whole family is completely stunning. And so.

[Wes]

Yeah.

[Sophie]

Um, we. It's so funny because I actually won four state championships. Right. So me, me and Sierra Porter.

[Wes]

Oh my God.

[Sophie]

But it, it was so fun because.

[Wes]

Not without the student section though.

[Sophie]

Dude, student section was fucking awesome.

[Wes]

Brew Crew.

[Sophie]

I will say we started winning and teams wouldn't play us. So when it got to be my senior year, we had I think like only three or four home games because people did not want to come play us. And so we traveled all over the damn state of Missouri, Kansas, Illinois, I think Iowa. Like we traveled everywhere to get games because people did not want to come because we don't have a conference. We didn't have a conference back then. And so we, we traveled everywhere because people didn't want to play.

[Wes]

Guys, that's a public school.

[Sophie]

That's insane.

[Wes]

That's crazy.

[Sophie]

Shout out Jill Nagel.

[Wes]

Shout out Jill.

[Sophie]

I love Jill. She's the best.

[Listener Caller]

Yeah.

[Wes]

And we couldn't shout out Jill Nagel without shouting out Greg Nagel, her sweet husband. But I. That we won't take up too much of your guys time, but you just need to know we there was.

[Sophie]

Yeah.

[Wes]

Like what a. What it. What a time.

[Sophie]

Yeah. Like I will say when we hear these types of conversations or debates and we like bring it back to high school, like I think I was someone who got very blessed with a great high school team. And so like when I'm trying to compare our dominant, dominant high school team to like what he's saying, like I'm like, you know, that's kind of valid. Like we, we were the best of, you know, the best of our classes. And so like when, when there's an argument like that, that's why it's always fun. Like we've had these discussions in person and like you have them with other players and like at the end of the day, the men in sports will always win. Duh.

[Wes]

Trying to think of sports that don't require like chess though. Because golf ut off from closer every sport.

[Sophie]

Think about it. Besides, like, besides like band dancing maybe. I.

[Wes]

You know what I. You know what I would like to watch?

[Sophie]

What?

[Wes]

Like Nebraska volleyball play a bunch of dudes. Something about volleyball I like.

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[Sophie]

They're beasts, dude, I, I will say that. But have you ever watched men volleyball players?

[Wes]

Yeah, it's scary. They like.

[Sophie]

Yeah, dude, those people can jump out of the damn gym. But like Nebraska volleyball, shout out. Harper Murray. She's turning into my little bestie. Love her shout out. She's sweet.

[Wes]

Before we get into this, Sophie, any sporting events you have your eye on like heading into the week, heading into December?

[Sophie]

Is this a trick question?

[Wes]

No.

[Sophie]

Go for it, Wes.

[Wes]

For those of you who don't know about the it's got a few names. It's called the Brawl of the Wild. Some call it Cat Grizz. It is Montana State versus Montana. It is the. The game has been played since 1897, may I add you. So this is, this would be the 124th meeting. Yeah. Not everyone knows about it, but it is like, like Mizzou ku, great rivalry. This thing is like is unreal. College game day went a year ago. We hate the University of Montana. Montana doesn't have pro sports. So this is like this is everything. You could be 0 and 11 and beat this school and still kind of feel good about your season. And that is this week. And not only is it the rivalry, but it is also for the Big sky championship. So two trophies on the line. It is the best rivalry I've ever been a part of. They have a six stadium. It's loud, it's going to be crazy. It'll be on TV if anyone's bored at 3 o' clock Eastern Time on Saturday. This is a game. It's worth your time. And I feel good, I feel great. But it's the only like we beat the shit out of the Big Sky Conference all year. We're very good. This game is the only game I get like I'm nervous all week four because kind of no matter what happens after, you still have a bad taste in your mouth. No matter what. But we play for this big ass trophy that's £500. Sophie. If you look at this, it's really big. It's called the Great Divide Trophy.

[Sophie]

Wait, can people hold that?

[Wes]

You have to have, like, 10 linemen holding it up. Yeah.

[Sophie]

Wait, did you. Did you guys win this when you played?

[Wes]

We won my junior year and my senior year, so we. I went out with two, but it's. It's incredible. And so I would be remiss if I did not get on this podcast and say, go Cats, the Grizz. And I'm going to say them because we usually say ftg, but go Bobcats. A lot of people have ftg, like, tatted on their lips and stuff. It's like, real deal.

[Sophie]

Are you serious?

[Wes]

Swear to God. Actually, can I tell you a funny story? If you have time, do it.

[Sophie]

We have plenty of time.

[Wes]

The first game I ever traveled was my freshman year at Montana. So I was like. It wasn't towards the end of the year that they wanted to play me, and so I was like, oh, this is like a crazy first, like, away game to have. And so I'm, like, so excited. Whatever. We get in the locker room, and I don't know why I had a bad feeling. I just was like, I don't know. The equipment team forgot to stitch my last name on my jersey. So everyone. Everyone has their last names. And mine was just blank. And I was like, hey, did you guys forget? Like, what are we doing here?

[Sophie]

I'm not gonna put, like, a Sharpie.

[Wes]

And just a Sharpie or like, duct tape.

[Sophie]

Wilson. Yeah.

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[Wes]

They were like, sorry, like, we forgot it. I was like, what the. So it's my first away game. I'm, like, so proud. It's in this super loud stadium where they hate us. Yeah. And we go running out there, and I'm the only person without a last name on their jersey. And I was just kind of like. I was just like, this the whole game. And, like, I probably only played, like, 10 snaps, but who cares? I'm standing there and they're all like, who's the mystery man down there? Who's the mystery man? Like, why doesn't he have a name? Like, do you have to earn your last names? And so they were heckling me the whole time, but it was just a classic. Like, you're so excited for your first game to travel, and of course something goes wrong. But it's pretty funny.

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[Sophie]

Dude, if you think about it, that's a good bim. Like, if that didn't happen, it wouldn't have been as like, remember, you know.

[Wes]

Yeah.

[Sophie]

Yeah, I love that.

[Wes]

Yeah. But go cats. That's all I wanted to say. I like that big one.

[Sophie]

Actually, you know what? That kind of fits for both of us. Go cats. Because. Because the tiger's a cat. We want the cats. Yeah, but when. What?

[Wes]

But no one in Colombia says like, go cats.

[Sophie]

No, but I'm just thinking, like a jayhawk is a bird. What's Montana's thing?

[Wes]

They're grizzly. So that would be like a large. A large mammal.

[Sophie]

Yeah.

[Wes]

So we're just encompassing all cat mascots. There's probably like, if you encompass all cats.

[Sophie]

Holy shit.

[Wes]

In division one, probably like 45 or something.

[Sophie]

Probably more than that, don't you think?

[Wes]

Bobcat. Tiger. There's not a lot of lions in College K State.

[Sophie]

Is that a cat?

[Wes]

Wildcat. I feel like Arizona is also the Wildcats. Northwestern is also the Wildcats.

[Sophie]

The Tigers.

[Wes]

There's a lot of tigers, lots of tigers, especially Jaguars. Wait, I'm gonna look this up on Perplexity. Real fast and ass. Because it'll be faster.

[Sophie]

Oh, my God. How many?

[Wes]

Oh, cougars, BYU coogies.

[Sophie]

55.

[Wes]

55. What did I say? 45?

[Sophie]

Yeah. Dude, you were so close.

[Wes]

Holy shit. 15 bobcats. Are you kidding?

[Sophie]

16 cougars, panthers, three jaguars, one leopard, six lines.

[Wes]

14 tigers, 14 tigers. There's more Bobcats and Tigers.

[Sophie]

Surprising.

[Wes]

Damn. But do either of you know why a bobcat is called a bobcat?

[Sophie]

Because they're tails.

[Wes]

Yeah. Good. That's not everyone who gets that. Really? Yeah.

[Sophie]

That was so country of us to both know that. Like, you Bob. Like cats with a bobbed tail.

[Wes]

Not a lot of people. That's a good. That's a good job. So thanks.

[Sophie]

Shout out to Paula. She's one.

[Wes]

Shout out Paula. Shout out Paula. Wait, so I was gonna show you. This is how it takes, like, all the big boys have to get together and like, carry it around the stadium.

[Sophie]

That's so cool.

[Wes]

It's. Fuck, it's.

[Sophie]

It's so cool. All right, real talk. Every holiday season, there's always that one person that is impossible to shop for.

[Wes]

Oh, 100% in my family. That's my mom. She'll swear she doesn't want anything and then ends up being obsessed with everything you give her.

[Sophie]

Exactly. That is literally my aunt. But this year I finally crushed it. I surprised her with a bubble cuddle blanket from Cozy Earth and she called me the next morning like, I'm living in this now.

[Wes]

That's the sign of a great present, the one that instantly gets put up in the daily rotation. And I also have the same blanket. It's heavy, it's soft, and I love it so much.

[Sophie]

So the holidays actually kind of move a little fast with me because I travel, rehab, family plans are all over the place. So it's definitely chaotic. So give. Giving someone something that actually makes them slow down and breathe, that's next level. That's what Cozy Earth is all about. Pure cozy and comfort.

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[Sophie]

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[Wes]

All right, let's hop into a little thing we like to call tell me something.

[Sophie]

The most unique segment on our show.

[Listener Caller]

Hey, Sophie. Hey Wes. Big fan of the podcast and your careers. My son is a senior in high school and he just landed a full ride scholarship to play baseball at a juco in southern Illinois. We are from Georgia. I just want to know if you could give my son some advice on how to approach first year in college as an athlete, as a student, as an independent young man. What to do to be, you know, positive in all aspects of those things and just kind of get the most out of his experience but also be successful and continue to grow and get bigger and get stronger to hopefully play at a four year college after his juto time.

[Sophie]

Congrats.

[Wes]

Yeah, congrats big boy.

[Sophie]

That is so cool. Do you want to go first?

[Wes]

I can. Two things that I think of. Obviously juco. He probably won't be there for four years right away, but I still think trying to like be present where you are will help you a lot. Like I was kind of lonely when I like when I first left for college. Obviously you have friends because you're on a sports team, but they're still new and you don't necessarily, like, they don't have a lot of depth to them. Once you can like really settle in and be content with like the town you're in, the friends you have, I think it makes the sport you're playing easier because you have like layered appreciation for where you are. And then like the roller coaster of your sports career does not affect you as much as it would if that's the only thing you put all your marbles into. Because it can, it can really fuck with you as an athlete because it's kind of how you self, self identify. And so being having good relationships with your teammates, with your coaches, and like appreciating the school and community that you're a part of will make your athletic experience like that much better. So, like, really give that a shot and then you know you're going to a juco. So the idea is that you're going to go to another school, do the same thing at the next place, like really try. And that's harder now with the way everyone's transferring, I would imagine. But that is what helped me. So that's big.

[Sophie]

I like that. Yeah, I think just kind of piggybacking off you when you can really dive into the community, that helps so, so much of just like being where your two feet are at and embracing that. But when I think when it comes to the actual athletic side of becoming a freshman, I think it's all about time management. It's about work ethic. My biggest thing is it's about stacking the days. Like, everyone wants to come on campus and be the star right away. You want to get paid right away, you want to be a starter right away. Well, that's not just how it, that's not how it works. That's not really reality. And so for me, I think when you can stack the days and really learn the ropes and dive into your nutrition, into getting into the weight room, into getting extra reps, like, that's part of the journey. You have to embrace and love the journey. And if you're stacking the days and even getting 1% better every single day, and sometimes it might look different, sometimes you're gonna have a shitty day. But that was, you tried your best and that's what it was. I think it's all about the journey. And so enjoy it, embrace it, love your teammates, get to know people. And I think when you do that, I don't know, I think you're gonna look back and be really proud of your career.

[Wes]

Congrats, dog. Have fun.

[Listener Caller]

Morning, Sophie. Morning. Wes kindly had a more serious question for you. How would you guys handle family that you don't get along with specifically, like in an in law situation? Seems like, like we're always at odds and I don't really feel that safe communicating my beliefs when they get into discussions and just gets all around awkward. And I know it hurts my wife in a lot of ways. So just curious. You guys have any advice? All right. Love the pod. Hope you're doing well. Happy holidays.

[Sophie]

Happy holidays. Honestly, great voice. That guy's a great voice.

[Wes]

Yeah, you should do. Yeah, you should do radio.

[Sophie]

But I am kind of curious. Does he know that, like we don't have in laws, neither of us?

[Wes]

Yeah, that's tough. So Sophie and I don't really have experience with that. Again, don't take any of our information too serious here. My first thought would be just to be as open with your wife as possible about it and because she'll be honest with you and about her family where like, you probably don't want to step on toes as much. And like, I hate to put it all on her, but it kind of feels like, well, no, but like what other middleman option is there? Or like she could also be like, this isn't my issue. You guys figure it out. Like, because you all are going to be with each other for a long time. If she wants to do that, she has every right to. It also depends on like how you don't get along. Like, do you not have similar interests or is it like different political views? Like there's a bunch of different ways that this can all be a thing.

[Sophie]

But, but I think at the end of the day, I think you can go into a situation of trying to like, have a clean slate and just going in there knowing like, hey, maybe good vibes this year. Like, let's just try to give them another shot. And like, hopefully you can find one person on her side or his side of the family that you can like.

[Wes]

To, to be your like, doorway. Yeah. And like, that's good. That's. I like that.

[Sophie]

And like, if you, if you already know that you guys maybe don't get along or there's some tension, just like be friendly. Like, don't just try to pursue some peace and then like just kind of go do your own thing. You know what I mean?

[Wes]

Well, I think it depends how much you see them. If it's like all the time, you might have to put your foot down and like, solve the. Because it's too unbearable. But if it's like just holiday Christmas and like a birthday once a year, then just keep the peace. Like, who really cares? But if it's. If it's like every month or like a couple times, like, that's different. You got to figure the out. Like, then, I don't know, stand up to someone.

[Sophie]

Yeah.

[Wes]

And just lock it in.

[Sophie]

But, Wes, I think. I do think that you had good advice, though. I think that you and your significant other, you guys should always make sure that you guys are on the same page. Like, keep that communication open and. Yeah. Move on from there.

[Wes]

Yeah.

[Sophie]

That was pretty good of us.

[Wes]

Look at us, Soph. This next segment is brought to you by Hard Rock Bet. Okay, guys, real quick. Chief's kind of in a do or die situation this Sunday.

[Sophie]

Kind of. Wesley are 100%.

[Wes]

Yeah. So things are looking a little scary. And Sophie and I are going to give you each and anytime TD score. Just if you need a little sprinkle. Because Sophie and I are a little nervous about where this season is going and we're trying to bring some good juju back. So anytime TD score, I'm rolling with Patty Mahomes using his legs. Do or die. I think if they get in the red zone, I think he's going to sacrifice his body. Like, go get you some. He sneaky, sneaky decent runner. And he seems to find the end zone when they need it the most. So I'm going. Mahomes. Mahomes rushing. Touchdown. I think he knows what's at stake and he's going to go find it himself.

[Sophie]

Okay. I think my pick this week and if these picks work, I think that that somehow we should become, like special coaches for the rest of the season. Like on the sideline with headsets chewing. All these guys is a new asshole. So they can, like, win another Super Bowl. I think that's just my opinion, but I think I'm going to go with Xavier Worthy. I think he's kind of been struggling a little bit, hasn't had a touchdown. I feel like the past couple games. And so target him early to, like, target him often and let's get him one. Like, he needs to get going.

[Wes]

So. Lovely take. Well, I'm in. I'll tell you.

[Sophie]

We talked about this. You. You helped me with my thoughts. So shout out to you.

[Wes]

Amazing. Hey, guys, thanks for tuning in. We appreciate you. Remember December 6th in Kansas City. Come take a shot with Sophie and I.

[Sophie]

We are gonna have a freaking blast And I haven't seen you in so long. So this is gonna be really fun. It's gonna be good.

[Wes]

It's gonna be rock.

[Sophie]

And I really like seeing you drink water. I'm proud of you.

[Wes]

Oh, thank you very much.

[Sophie]

Yeah. Got you. Bye.

[Wes]

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[Sophie]

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[Wes]

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[Sophie]

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