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Kate Hudson
Sister Wives returns at last.
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Oliver Hudson
And while the Browns have gone their.
- [00:03]
Kate Hudson
Own separate ways, that doesn't mean they're.
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Oliver Hudson
Done with each other.
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Kate Hudson
Mary and Janelle form an unlikely alliance, Christine is off living in newly married bliss, and Kody and Robin are left wondering, can they be happy in a monogamous relationship? And after all the joy and drama, they hit the hot seat and answer.
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Oliver Hudson
The questions everyone has been begging to know.
- [00:20]
Kate Hudson
Sister Wives return Sunday at 10, 9.
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Val Chmerkovskiy
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Max Chmerkovskiy
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Kate Hudson
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Kody Brown
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Kate Hudson
Hi, I'm Kate Hudson and my name is Oliver Hudson.
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Max Chmerkovskiy
We wanted to do something that highlighted.
- [02:05]
Kate Hudson
Our relationship and what it's like to be siblings. We are a sibling rivalry. No, no Sibling R for free.
- [02:20]
Max Chmerkovskiy
Don't do that with your mouth.
- [02:24]
Kate Hudson
Sibling revelry.
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Kody Brown
That's good.
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Kate Hudson
We have some guests in the waiting room. I move my body pretty goddamn good in certain situations without any practice. I'm great at making love, let's just say that. But these men, these boys, these brothers, they can move Val and Max Chermarkovsky from Dancing with the Stars and much, much more. Let's Have a chat.
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Kody Brown
How are you?
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Kate Hudson
What's up, guys?
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Oliver Hudson
How's it going?
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Kate Hudson
Val has his shirt the most open I've ever seen a shirt worn.
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Kody Brown
I have seen him with a moral.
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Kate Hudson
And he's wearing a New York Yankees hat. I don't know if that's for style or if he's a Yankees fan. What do you say, Val?
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Kody Brown
I mean, I knew he was going to wear one. That's why I didn't wear mine.
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Oliver Hudson
Also, I'm just in LA and I'm so proud to be rocking my New York hat.
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Kody Brown
Yeah, I did the same the morning after. Felt. Felt some kind of way. But I was proud. I was proudly.
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Kate Hudson
Yeah, okay. No, I get that. I mean, look, you have to represent. I was. I was working in New York. I'm doing a movie there, and so I got to go to a couple of the games and, you know, I wore. I wore my Dodgers hat. You know, where did you guys give me a. Give me a little taste of like, sort of growing up, you know, where were you? Were you where you grew up? In Ukraine?
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Kody Brown
You know, we're six years apart, so. And very uniquely, the timing is that I'm 1980s, he's 1986, 1994, we immigrated from Ukraine to. To Brooklyn, New York. I'm 14 and he's 8. And that at that moment, we in the same household have completely different views on life and things of that nature because of the ages and kind of the situation that we fell into, but that was it. We immigrated. 94, I graduated Brooklyn public High school. So as he went both six years apart. No, that's not true. Value already graduated. I'll let him speak his facts, but went for a year to Pace University in Manhattan. Dropped out after a year. Some six years later, Val went also to Pace, just by bleach here, whatever. But anyway, we. We New Yorkers. And. And 2005, I joined dancing with the Stars and started going out into la. What I'm saying is I never moved. It was always kind of like, let's go to LA to do the show and then go back, you know, home. And so I really had, you know, the drive to live here, but ended up spending more time here. Last seven years, permanent resident. Now permanent resident, fam. Three kids, two of them born in Cedar Sinai.
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Kate Hudson
So awesome, dude. That's where I was born. That's where all my kids were born.
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Oliver Hudson
Yeah, pretty much did all of the same thing. What he said.
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Kate Hudson
Well, let me, Let me ask. Let me ask a question, though. Like, moving from the Ukraine you were 8. You were 14. Obviously, as a 14 year old, you have a deeper recollection of it. But, Val, I'm sure you do as well. Right? And what was that like? Was there. Was it exciting, you know, or was it you're leaving your home?
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Oliver Hudson
Yeah, I did. I didn't, you know, just to kind of piggyback off of what Max said, we had a very different assimilation pro, you know, process in this country, and therefore a whole different relationship with countries. So for me, it was exciting. I mean, I didn't understand that we're never coming back, you know, so. And. And it's been only eight years of developing my relationship with Ukraine is where we're from, from Odessa, Ukraine. So for me, I was. I was excited to move. I saw that my parents were stressed. I saw, you know, my brother got robbed for his rollerblades the second day in America. You know, I experienced a lot of EAs.
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Kody Brown
We.
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Oliver Hudson
We experienced these things together as a family, but it really educated me more than it, like, traumatized me. Where I. With Max, he was a little older. I think he took it on a little bit harder. And so he had a very different kind of molding process. But we, you know, we kind of. We were best friends. We shared a bunk bed, so we were like 30 years old.
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Kate Hudson
We'll go. Go and get into that a little bit more, you know, because it's really interesting because, you know, look, we've been doing this podcast for years now, and talking to siblings, even though they came from the same place, came from the same parents, for the most part, were raised the same way. We are still such individuals in the perception of how we have been raised. Even though our parents did it the same, we take it differently. A lot of these siblings have a way different idea of who their father is than the other, let's just say, you know, and with that sexier age gap, too, even the way that you guys were parented probably was different.
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Oliver Hudson
Yeah, I. I felt pressure vicariously through him. He felt pressure, period. You know, So I think that that's the difference. I felt it because I'd seen how, you know, the responsibilities that he had had to embark on earlier on in his life. So just one example is he's now 14. You know, 14, 15. Now I'm a father. I teach kids. You know, to me, that's. That's a child back in. In you. You're, you know, you're strong and big and old enough to go work. So we're a household. Pops is working. Moms is Working, you know, what are you doing? So I feel like he immediately found a job teach dance. Dance was already something he started back in Ukraine. Myself as well. But like I said, I'm eight years old, I just know it a little bit. At 15, 14, found a job dancing at a Russian restaurant on Brighton beach in Coney island area. And he did it a couple of times with his buddy and then he approached me, his 12 year old sibling to join.
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Kody Brown
Literally said let's put on a show. I found I was like yo, I have an element that nobody has in town. I have a 12 year old who doesn't better than most adults and if only why not? It's in my household I was a.
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Kate Hudson
Novelist basically bring on the 12 year.
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Kody Brown
Old with his came out and I.
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Oliver Hudson
Did my thing and yeah, and. And again, again we, we just for me that was exciting. I didn't realize that I'm dancing for you know, mobsters and, and you know, people. It's midnight on a Friday and cabaret like doing my thing. But those are the. But now I'm doing the same exact thing. You know, you fast forward what now, you know, close to 30 years. More than 30 years. Yeah, about. Yeah, close to 30 years later I'm doing the same thing. It's just on a different stage. Yeah, we do alongside each other on many occasions. You know, we've been working side by side for 30 years now. And in my experience, like I said, those moments were so fun for him. They were just full of pressure. Right. To deliver, to get the money to pay his brother, walk home and not get robbed on the way on the home. You know, these are things I'm like life is amazing. Get to earn I with my money. I bought myself a Game Boy as a young man. Again these are valuable lessons. So I'm looking at hardships, something I can always conquer. There's nothing that, that I can't do where I I feel like again this is my diagnosis of my brother. He can diagnose himself but I feel like with, with him he's now at an age, you know, like inside out. I had joy running my ship, you know and I feel like he had a little bit of sadness and anger running his ship. And I think that's really just not a difference of what's at heart but really where we were at what age and how life just shook us.
- [10:52]
Kate Hudson
Do you think that if the roles were reversed and you were the older one then you would be operating from sort of some sadness and fight and pain a little bit or is Your personality different? Do you take on. Would you take that shit on differently than he would? Because everyone deals with emotion different. Everyone deals with that hardship, that pressure, whatever, differently now.
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Oliver Hudson
Yeah. I don't want to imply that I didn't have a tough upbringing either, you know.
- [11:18]
Kate Hudson
Right, right, right.
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Oliver Hudson
And I think. But yeah, I think I would. Our Life did do 180 around the time when he joined Dancing with the Stars. You know, then, yes, I'm skipping a lot of stuff and we've, you know, we grew up at that time, but he kind of elevated himself into another stratosphere. First of all, he went to Hollywood, Los Angeles. I mean, these are, these are places we not dream about because we competed, we traveled. Not to paint a picture that we were. We've never been outside of New York City. We were cold, we understood what's up. But yeah, to be, you know, to be on American television.
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Kate Hudson
Yeah. Huge.
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Oliver Hudson
And be so. And be yourself. That's the thing is you can be. There's plenty of people that joined, changed their names, became someone else.
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Christine Brown
Yeah.
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Oliver Hudson
But to be able to be highlighted in front of this country that adopted us, that has took us in, you know, it was, it was a full circle moment of also gratitude, but really the fact that now Maxim Chmerkovsky, the kid that was laughed at, that was told to go back to Russia, even though he was from Ukraine, in school, that kid is now, you know, in the houses of millions of people in this country. So pretty awesome. I think he found, I think he found his swagger at that point.
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Kate Hudson
Yeah.
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Oliver Hudson
And so we kind of shifted. I became the adult, if you will, and the older brother while he became this, you know, I think he found his youthfulness and his spirit and his like, adventure and he, I feel like he, he didn't have time to grow up in his teenage years and he did it when he came out to LA and rediscovered himself.
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Kate Hudson
Pretty accurate there, Max.
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Kody Brown
Yeah, no, 100%. I actually felt like. I actually felt like, yeah, I just shifted my. I did it backwards. 14 to 25 was what people. What I'd witnessed later in life where people experience in their late 20s to mid-30s, then after that, case in point, all of these youngins are now with families and young kids and sort of like starting that part of life. I, however, went full tilt, work mode, 14 onwards. Skipped through everything, teenage years, completely everything up until 21. And then I turned pro in, in my ballroom dance industry. I even skipped over this whole category called amateurs. It's not amateur by the trade, but it's like after, on the 21 age category before you turn pro, there's a whole group of like for your entire 30s, you can compete in this category. And it doesn't separate you in quality, just separates. There's more participants in this amateur category than there are in professionals because that's already like older generation. So my point, I just looked too mature for this category and I had very kind of like, if he results once I turned pro and I was amongst these big grown men who were about, you know, 15 years older and I stood out well. And that's when I kind of like, oh, so I'm that person. So I really had this grown outlook on life. He's talking about buying game boys and yes, that was also what I saw. But I was very well aware of our family being on food stamps. And so like we were getting X amount of, you know, funny money that we would then exchange in the lowest sort of of the grocery stores that were accepted. You know, so there was a lot of hustle going on. So I saw the value of money. I understood that you can't just go and buy this thing, you know, Whereas he felt that he was, he was rightfully so growing up as the kids that, you know, has these sort of motivational factors in front of them. So I'm looking at this to be the case with my son now and I'm like having the two, two options. What would I, what would I rather. No, I don't want him to know hard labor or even like difficult labor before it's his reality. You know, like, why would I, why would I give him a little bit of what, you know, others don't have? It is their reality. And so what I'm trying to do is I'm trying to raise a level headed kid who at the time, when he's a child does child things at the time youth does young adult things. So I feel like that's my focus is not to skip over and I let him out. This is where my sort of like focus on my kids kind of ends. Is that, you know, twins. We've all seen that movie, Schwarzenegger.
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Kate Hudson
Yeah.
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Kody Brown
You know, and so that scene when young Schwarzenegger's character comes out of this island where he lived and thrived and was, you know, engineered to be the most perfect human. And so I feel like when I let my can believe it, I now have three boys growing up. So when I let my boys out into the world, they'll be in like young twenties and it'll be like this way here you go, my son. Now you got jiu jitsu, AP science, you like ahead of class and everything. Beautiful. Six four, muscle built, you know, everything. But you know what I'm saying, like.
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Kate Hudson
This is your dream, this is your fantasy.
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Kody Brown
But most importantly, as I wish for him to be, you know, I listened to Val and no wonder in our relationship I do look up to him a lot because I feel like that's what I was missing. I did skip over the stage thing and it did, you know, it, it made me do things at a time when I shouldn't have. And it feels like that bravada that he described as like youthfulness that I found, which he's right. It was also the time when I could have applied different things and you.
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Oliver Hudson
Know, I feel I again that youthful. I'm saying that what it means is like during your teenage years you have the license to things up.
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Kody Brown
Yeah, exactly. Yeah, yeah, I was doing that, feeling that happy for that type of like, look, I'm just being free, me, right? And I was looking at them and Val and his friends that were growing up being that way in their young twenties, but I wasn't registering that I was a 29 year old man feeling that free. And I'm not saying I was doing childish things, but you know what I'm saying, like, yeah, no, I'm in la, nobody here knows me. I'm just going to have fun.
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Oliver Hudson
No one here needs me, Right. My dad, who's an entrepreneurial spirit, very supportive father who's never danced in his life, he saw, you know, Max come home, he was assisting one of the Studios and at 16, long story short, they decided to open up their own dance studio. My dad's never taught. The only information is coming from his 16 year old son. And he will take care of all.
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Kody Brown
The managers, I don't know anything business.
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Oliver Hudson
We opened up a dance studio in which my dad was the administrator, my brother was the, the coach and I was like the star pupil, you know, it's like. And this kind of relationship evolved. So I was close to the stress, I was close to the thing I, you know, but again, I didn't have the responsibility.
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Kate Hudson
Of course not, you're six years younger. I mean, you know, you can let that go. You don't have to take on that responsibility if you didn't want to, you.
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Oliver Hudson
Know, I'm a good kid who volunteered to take on a lot of it. Yeah, but I didn't exactly, I didn't have to. And think when, when again, fast forward, 16, 20, you know, nine years later when he found him after building a very successful dance program in New Jersey. And then I then became a part of, I mean and then it just evolved into a big thing. He for the first time moved to LA and was no longer responsible for all of that and allowed himself like teenage license of, you know, just, you know how LA is.
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Kate Hudson
Were you able to move to LA knowing that you had put that you had secured your family and then were able then to move to la? Was or was there stress like when I move, you know, I'm no longer here to make it all work?
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Kody Brown
No, I felt fantastic because I was making a little bit more money than before and then all of a sudden it felt like we're good, everybody's, everybody's good, everybody's eating, you know, we got big, big house, everybody can fit now. You know what I'm saying? I, I bought a huge place in, in one of the best places and where, exactly where I wanted to be. I was buying myself a forever home. And the next, I think, what was it, two years, two and a half years. I spent 22 days in that house. But you know, obviously Val lived there. We had three of my other friends occupy three other bedrooms and you know, quintessential like one of us made it ahead of time and so now kind of like everybody come come with.
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Oliver Hudson
I don't know if you remember Entourage was a really popular. Yeah, it's in the city for, for men. Yeah, we all watched it and again we all dream like we are city kid immigrants. You know, we dream about making it and then making it so that you.
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Kate Hudson
Could bring, bring your lift up everyone else around you.
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Kody Brown
Yeah, because you see that we access to seeing it, but we never had access to being part of it. Whether it's nightlife, high end, you know, food industry, any kind of like we were the entertainment but we were not the guest in, in that. So because we were great quality caliber entertainment and we saw a lot of, we had access to see what it's like. But anyway, the second I started making it, you know, my grandma's building knows me. You know, I'm saying like this, there's that notoriety, so there's a little bit of that pressure. I definitely immediately felt like I wanted to win more than anything. There was the pressure of trying to win Dancing the Stars and then that in this format, this one starts, the more you try your hardest, the more it's kind of like, it's almost like not It's a lot.
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Oliver Hudson
A lot of things. A fun, fun thing with that, though, is like. Like, he said he bought this forever home. And he was like, wow, you gotta. You know, for you to live there. And I did live there, but I was very conscious, and we had a conversation. I was like, that's this. I didn't make it, though. You made it. I didn't buy this. There's no reason why I should feel the sensation of being in this home. I should feel the sensation of where I'm at, which is mission to live in this home, you know? But again, we grew up in such an environment where it's. What's mine is ours.
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Kate Hudson
Yeah.
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Kody Brown
And I. And I was trying to tell him, like, yo, but how I feel and this answer your question? The very first, like, the difference. And I was like, bro, I'm telling you, you can do so much better from a platform where you're not stressed, you're comfortable, you have a big room to stretch, you can walk around, you know, downstairs, down to your own stairs in your own. You know what I'm saying? Because you'll be. We were flabbergasted. We have a bridge inside the house. I remember Val and I with the two of us. I was like, bro, we have a bridge inside the house. Adam, this. Like. Some people have elevators.
- [25:39]
Oliver Hudson
Like, it was like the scene from. But they take shrooms, and they're in the Vegas room, and they're like these chairs, they're all so.
- [25:48]
Kate Hudson
Right.
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Kody Brown
Yeah. Super straight. We were just like, couldn't believe it. Life made.
- [25:52]
Oliver Hudson
Where were. Where.
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Kate Hudson
Where is this house?
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Kody Brown
Jersey. Shout out. Fort Lee, New Jersey. Right off a beautiful area. Fort Lee Bluff, overlooking the city. You know what I'm saying? Like, I. Yeah, right off of Hudson, you know, right now, Washington Bridge.
- [26:08]
Kate Hudson
You know, I just got back from New Jersey, like, two days ago. I was in Short Hills doing a movie out there.
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Kody Brown
Fun fact, Port Lee was the original Hollywood, before Hollywood took on the movie industry.
- [26:20]
Kate Hudson
Oh, really?
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Kody Brown
Yeah. It still has, I think, I believe, Charlie Chaplin studios or whatever was.
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Kate Hudson
Wow.
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Kody Brown
Sure.
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Oliver Hudson
Actually, Englewood. Well, there's a Ridgewood, Englewood, Slate, but that area. Yes. Right outside the city. Weehawk in New Jersey, which is a neighbor in town, is a place where shot Hamilton. There's a. Yeah. New Jersey, where I went to high school. A home place of Frank Sinatra. You know, this cool. I think Jersey needs to be rebranded a little.
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Kate Hudson
I don't get it, dude. Because again, I've been to New Jersey, but I've never hung out there. And again, Granted, I was, I was staying at the Hilton, you know, just working, but I would go to the coast every time I could get there because I love to fish and just love the beach and, and the leads were changing and I drive around, I'm like, dude, New Jersey's the fucking shit.
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Kody Brown
It's beautiful.
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Kate Hudson
I loved it. In fact, I have so many friends and family in the city. I didn't even go into the city one time except to go to see the games. I was like, it was an hour drive. Not that bad. I'm like, I don't want to go into the city. I enjoy the space and the beauty of New Jersey right now and the.
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Kody Brown
Foliage and the seasons and everything. No, again, love la. Love L. A can be the weather. But I also really do find a huge, deep and rooted connection with east coast and that tribe area. Like what it's not, I'm not gonna claim, you know, that New Yorker, you know, some of our friends who never left, we did move to Jersey. We did have this sort of like out of the town kind of proximity, whatever I claim. But that area, period is just beautiful. Every time I landed, like, I do feel the moisture.
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Kate Hudson
Yeah, yeah, home. So let's go back for a second just dancing, you know what I mean? Like, how did this happen? How did you guys even get into this? You know, obviously started in Ukraine. Your father doesn't dance. You would feel like there would be some sort of, you know, familial situation, maybe your mom.
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Kody Brown
But we practice this one. I'm gonna take this, this in the beginning and then hand it off to Val.
- [28:29]
Oliver Hudson
So quick story points so that I could.
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Kody Brown
Yeah, yeah, I got you. Quick story is that my two, my, my. My eight 19 year old parents had a kid in Soviet Union. And at 23, my father lost his father. Our grandpa passed away. So Val never met him. He's named after him Valentine. But I was 3. My parents are 23. This is a lower end blue collar community, you know, so it's 23 year old pops, mom, three year old kid and our grandma. And they're all in one one and a half room apartment. And that's how we grew up. Val was born in that apartment. That's where we immigrated to from. So we, we grew up really like this type of closet space. And it's not to cry about it. I remember massive room. I remember Val and I had no, like, I didn't feel tight, not until I visited Ukraine back many, many decades later. Almost like, bro, the apartment is mad tight. But Anyway, so at 4 years old, they gave me into this while I'm.
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Oliver Hudson
While I'm in a Jacuzzi in his house in New Jersey.
- [29:41]
Kate Hudson
Right, Right.
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Kody Brown
Yeah, yeah. But I was four years old and my parents, again, my. My father's father just passed away. So I believe that a lot of things that he felt were good parenting came from immediate surroundings. Some people took him under their wings, you know, they were hard, man. They were, you know, man, man, you know, they were like, hey, you gotta, like slap him once in a while, just prophylactically so they know with the respect, you know, like some of them, I'm being facetious, but a little bit of that too.
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Kate Hudson
I know you mean.
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Oliver Hudson
Yeah.
- [30:14]
Kody Brown
So they gave him one rule and he took it on and he's like, look, if you limit their free time, there's less chance they'll get in trouble. And so he's like, perfect, I can do that. Let's just, you know, put him in everything. And at 4 years old, they gave me to School of Aesthetic Education, and it was like, sing, dance, eat with knife and fork, open doors for girls. That type of, you know, grown up prince and finishing school.
- [30:38]
Kate Hudson
Type of finishing school. Right.
- [30:40]
Kody Brown
I remember vividly somebody coming in and pointing finger at like three of us, four of us. And they. Then they spoke to our parents and they said, hey, if you want them to dance, specific program for dance, ballroom dancing is called. And now I remember they pointed at four boys because there's a huge shortage of boys and dance in general. And this is partner dancing. And so that's how my ballroom career started. At five years old, I wasn't actually talented to be picked. That was just a boy. It was just fit.
- [31:10]
Kate Hudson
That was it.
- [31:11]
Kody Brown
He'll do. Let's do it.
- [31:12]
Kate Hudson
Yeah.
- [31:12]
Kody Brown
And then a case in point, until we immigrated, I didn't really have a good career. It was a very sort of like, not probably dance is not gonna be his thing, you know.
- [31:22]
Kate Hudson
Did you love it, though?
- [31:24]
Kody Brown
No, I. I swam, I played tennis and I soccer, and that's chemistry and biology, all of that stuff. But it was like. And dance. Because my parents said, go, and I went. That was me, Val. This is what I meant. So now we immigrating and yes, he did start in Ukraine, but very basic stuff and nothing to write home about. Just one little thing. Little chicken dance. But when we immigrated, landed in the week one, our parents decided, okay, so we have this 14 year old who looks like he's about to be in trouble with no English, nothing. And we have this eight year old who got applied immediately and they thought dance was it because I was already doing it long enough. For some reason, Pops thought that I had some potential. And so Vallimax went straight into a dance school in Brooklyn that was pointed at to be the best. It was like in Brooklyn, you know, Brighton area. We went and the next day. Okay. In fact, the next. This is Friday, Saturday. There's a local in studio competition.
- [32:30]
Kate Hudson
Mm.
- [32:31]
Kody Brown
They give Val, who's 8, a partner who dances. Val doesn't know the steps yet. He's eight. He's never danced the steps. He just whatever. He smiled and did some kind of little cute steppy thing. The girl did steps around him. They won Landslide. But no company. And so Val literally never lost ever since. In general terms, speaking of, like, he was that type of prodigy. I cannot make this up. He didn't start because somebody said, yo, he's a fantastic dancer. They said, look, he smiled through the entire competition. As they say. They're like, this level of confidence is just bananas. And so immediately he was the hottest project of like a ballroom, you know, boy. And it was that. So that's how he started dancing. I started dancing back then and in us. I was honestly, personally was very hopeful, very. That it would end. But when I walked into Dan Studio, this is where I'll throw it to him. Is that for me, it was because I didn't speak English. If I spoke English, Val spoke in two weeks. Two weeks. He was fluent as an eight year old. I, nine months later, was honestly was probably going through some kind of teenage depression because I was like, why can't. I can't understand anything. It's horrible. I don't have in this communication. But dance, as it turns out, felt the same. And it felt like, although I was very shy, did not have this type of experience. When I just got to that dance studio and, you know, I was in the back of the class, thought that I was really bad, you know, all of that stuff. So it took me a second. But I felt more comfortable in a dense space than I was outside of it because of the language barrier.
- [34:18]
Oliver Hudson
Right.
- [34:19]
Kody Brown
And then the Russian restaurants, the getting a little bit of cash in return for my dancing made me feel like there's value to this.
- [34:32]
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- [36:47]
Kate Hudson
When did you begin to sort of fall in love with it? When? When you found some success in it or you still hate it?
- [36:56]
Oliver Hudson
Besides passion and pursuing your craft, there's also a relationship with earning money.
- [37:03]
Kate Hudson
Yeah, exactly.
- [37:04]
Kody Brown
I hate. Yeah, he's he's right. I. I try. I'm going to tell you when I.
- [37:09]
Kate Hudson
Get that dude 100%.
- [37:11]
Kody Brown
I will tell you when I enjoy dance. I I started in 2016 when when Val and I had an Maxim Val tour. We called it and we called our Way and was our first national stage dance production and we decided not to just do the Cha Cha we did that for like 20 years already. We decided to write our own story. We had a fantastic gentleman that we found that became our friend and wrote this incredible stage production for dances that's never been sort of done before in that capacity. We told the story and we told our story. Coming to Brooklyn, coming of age, immigration, you know, things that were important to us. And then that's when I realized I'm like, I. I cannot. I cannot believe it. I spent at that time. Well, I mean, obviously almost all of my life. I'm 44 years old. I only. I danced for 40 years, just moving some kind of movement. And most of it has been professional, and most of it has been money making. Most of it has been about that type of exchange. I enjoyed starting 2016, and last thing that I enjoyed was this last summer with Val and I, part of Sabre, which is another production that we were helped. That we helped put together. I mean, those type of formats where it's not judged, it's not Max.
- [38:33]
Kate Hudson
Well, it's more of an expression of something personal from an artistic standpoint rather than, you know, punching the clock, collecting a paycheck. Look, I'm an actor, and I've been doing it for 26, seven years, right. And I've had a very successful career doing it, made a lot of money and all of that. And I've loved every part that I've done for different reasons, but not necessarily because it has been creative fulfillment. Like, this is how I support my family. Do I love being on set and being in the world? Like, yeah, sure. But have I done something in my life as an actor where I'm like. That was like fucking. A true expression, you know? Nah, you know, because I. I'm doing other people's words, you know, Again, you're an actor for hire. You've gotta. You've gotta pay for your kids shit. So, you know, it's. It's a. It's. It is what it is. But so I get it.
- [39:29]
Kody Brown
Yeah.
- [39:30]
Kate Hudson
When that something comes along where you are, it's true expression. It's just creativity and the money's great, but it doesn't really fucking matter because you're with your brother and you're actually telling some sort of a story rather than just, you know.
- [39:43]
Kody Brown
But that was the most special opportunity for me in dance. So so far, every time that it seems like here, I mean, look, I'm not gonna. We both have fantastic moments outside of our relationship. I've also done two Broadway shows that I was, you know, what a privilege to Be a part of experience. You know, I starred those shows, so that was even more the marquee, the lights, all of that stuff. So, you know. But you asked about when I enjoyed it to the level that I'm like, of the top of my head. It's always our shows together now.
- [40:18]
Kate Hudson
Yeah. You know, and value the same way. Yeah.
- [40:23]
Oliver Hudson
I mean, my relationship with dance has evolved through the last 30 years. You know, it started from, you know, like. Like Max said, I won my first competition. So because you do a lot of reflecting later on in your life, you grow up and you're like, how did I get here and why did I get here? And so you. Yeah, take your back. And so one of the questions, like, dance. Why did I pursue dance? Is it because I was good at it? Was it because I loved it? My biggest. Like, I was always. When people talk about who's really passionate about dance, truly to me it isn't the guys winning, is the guys all the way in the first, second, third rounds that get left behind that still. Still show up. Still show up. So they're not feeding their vanity or their ego. They're just doing it for the love of the game. And. And so I traced it all the way back. I never even got a chance to see if I love the game, you know, because I was. Now I'm like, well, I like this feeling. It's giving me attention, it's giving me this. It's giving me all these, like, you know, vanity points. And so I continue to do it. But dance for us was a sport. We competed in ballroom dance. This wasn't my artistic expression. My artistic expression. I joined. I started playing violin when I was five. Played in orchestras and. And so music was my expression. Dance, believe it or not, was my sport. You know, if it wasn't dance, I would be maybe playing ball or playing some other thing, you know, that was the level. There was this pressure of just. Just winning. I just wanted to win. And so you're comp. To comp. To comp to comps. Comp to trophy. Trophy. And I'm like, the accolades are coming in and I'm killing it. But then I started teaching. I. I started to teach to make money. Because when you win these competitions, it's like, you know, it's like a. No offense, a rock, paper, scissors contest. There's no budget. Like, you get it.
- [42:23]
Kate Hudson
That's what I'm saying. Like, how do you make your money as a dancer? You know, I mean, I know Dancing with the Stars going to pay you well. I know that will then propel you with some notoriety to go do some other shit, you know what I mean? There's endorsements, there's all that stuff. But as a. As just someone who's a dancer, I mean, how do you. How do you make a living as a dancer?
- [42:43]
Oliver Hudson
So Dancing with the Stars is now. When we were doing it, there was no prospect of these. How do you make.
- [42:49]
Kody Brown
You.
- [42:49]
Oliver Hudson
You open up a dance studio, you do become a teacher. You are t. You have to teach to dance, you know, And I had an issue with that because LeBron James didn't start playing ball because he wanted to coach the Cavaliers one day, you know, to play and get paid for playing better than everybody. And for us, those type of numbers didn't exist. But there was a huge community that was pursuing this out of pride and out of mastery of a craft they were passionate about. And that community is gorgeous. It's a beautiful community. Spans way outside of America, throughout Europe, Eastern Europe, Western Europe, Asia, South Africa has a big ballroom dance community. And that allowed us to see the world when our parents had no money to see it. But we got sponsored to go to events because we were representing America. So I have no regret in that sense. Then joining Dancing with the Stars, my relationship with dance evolved where I wasn't trying to win trophies anymore, even though I really wanted to win Dancing with the Stars, but I wanted to show off and continue to grow as an artist, right? So I started to learn other styles, like contemporary and jazz and even a form of hip hop. Not claiming anyone of ballroom dance, but I have now acquired the. The range of motion and movement, the vocabulary beyond just strictly ballroom, which has expanded my ability to perform became a lot more of an artistic expression than just a job or just, you know, who can dance the fastest, hardest, strongest, spin the fat, you know.
- [44:38]
Kate Hudson
So with Dancing with the Stars, are you incentivized to keep continuing winning in the competition? Because do you get paid for each show? If you're. If you're. If you're the downstairs, the contract like it's just a lump sum bang. Here you go. If you're out the first day you're done, that's it.
- [44:58]
Christine Brown
Before.
- [44:58]
Kody Brown
Before beginning stages. It used to be different. Now it's just for pros. Is basically a salary. Once you're.
- [45:05]
Kate Hudson
It is.
- [45:05]
Kody Brown
Oh, you get a weekly salary and it lasts a week. This. This season. But I want to answer your question differently. It's that over the. This is season 33, and over the almost 20 years that the show's Been on. On has been around and kind of cipher, you know, seeping through a lot of professional dancers, movers, performers and all that. They're, they're now finding people that fit all of the criteria, a lot of check or checkpoints. And so it becomes about the kind of person you are, the kind of dance and artists you are. Do you have the, the motivation to, you know, be on the show, stay on the right way so they shouldn't worry about, you know, paying you a certain way. If you're a dancer, maybe you have to, you know, entice the celebrities to be participants before professional dancer. Dancing with the Star should be the, the pinnacle of your financially successful career. You know, there are other things you, you hang your head on from, I don't know, you know, artistic expression standpoint, but for the, the personality that I, that I go to sleep with, that I bake my life on. Like the fundamentals of like, like we talked about, you also have to survive. This world is fast paced, moving and you have to survive. And now you're putting kids out in there. From that perspective, the ecosystem has changed as well.
- [46:37]
Oliver Hudson
Right. So like shows like Dancing with the Stars, so you think you could dance World of dance have amplified and put dance at the forefront, therefore inspiring other generations and other people. And you know, there's a reason why have the, the lineup on. On Dancing with the Stars is Chigwintsev, Chernikovsky, Savchenko, you know, it's European guys. Well then you have Derek, who's anomaly in his own right. He's American, adopted by a world champion who took him and brought England. And England is kind of our Mecca of ballroom dance. That's where the top teachers are, the top, you know, everything. So he was this talented kid that got exposed to the top of the line information. Information that Max and Val had to work months for to save up to buy a ticket to, to learn from or hopefully if this teacher ever does come to New York, which it probably won't because again, it's like the Jamaican bobsled team. No one in America was actually competing seriously. But if they do come out, we gotta hustle and get that lesson. So that information with that extraordinary talent created. See. Yeah. Quote Malcolm Caldwell. But like on some level. Yeah, yeah, we are a product of that too. Just like Max said earlier, he got chosen just for being a guy. Yeah, you know, they needed boys. So everybody there, there are, you know, our pits and our highs, they're all there to serve a purpose. And we are here not just because of Luck, but also because of luck.
- [48:28]
Kate Hudson
Yeah. Oh, well, there's luck in everything that we do. Life is just filled with luck, whether you believe in luck or not. You know what I mean?
- [48:36]
Kody Brown
How can you not?
- [48:37]
Kate Hudson
Yeah. I mean, forget about just career, everything. Everything. I mean, I. I look back on my childhood and. Or even in my teens and twenties growing up in LA and thinking, holy fuck, I got lucky. The things that I would do in the situations that I put myself in, you know, just be. Just being stupid. I was like, God damn, dude, I got lucky. Just lucky.
- [49:02]
Kody Brown
We. We got. We got luckier, if I. If I may say so, and it's not a comparison, but I feel like now, right where we are now and looking at Ukraine and that situation, that it was coming here since before we left. And the reason why we immigrated to begin with is because our parents were young couple who had two boys in a house who were going to be enlisted one way or another. And so, you know, I very publicly left that place from being a judge on Dance on. On. On World of Dance. And so. And most of the Dancing the Stars cast are now enlisted and have been since the beginning. World of Dance cast. So we're looking at dancers, man. Fellow, you know, Ukrainian natives. Like, how lucky are Max and Val to have Left in the 90s?
- [49:55]
Kate Hudson
Yeah.
- [49:56]
Kody Brown
That made all this life where we can by the way, also somehow help and influence and speak on behalf of and all this stuff, but not have to be right now at the front line. Isn't that.
- [50:10]
Kate Hudson
Yeah.
- [50:10]
Kody Brown
Not the definition of luck?
- [50:12]
Kate Hudson
Yeah.
- [50:12]
Kody Brown
You know, and so, like, I look at it like everything I do is a bonus. Yeah. You know, everything that comes my way or comes out of. Of me, out of my hands. Oh, how unlucky am I? If I only had that job.
- [50:26]
Kate Hudson
Yeah.
- [50:27]
Kody Brown
No, that's not the, that's not the luck or not. But luckily, you know, so that's how, like, my perspectives change a little bit and how I look at things. Like luck, for example.
- [50:37]
Kate Hudson
Of course.
- [50:37]
Kody Brown
That's.
- [50:38]
Kate Hudson
That's a great point. I mean, we can. We can do a whole other podcast on. On Ukraine, you know, right now.
- [50:44]
Kody Brown
Let's do it. Let's do it after next.
- [50:46]
Kate Hudson
Yeah, at. After tomorrow.
- [50:49]
Kody Brown
No, no, no. Yeah, yeah, that's what I mean. Let's. Let's think.
- [50:53]
Kate Hudson
Let's wait. Yeah.
- [50:54]
Kody Brown
See what this is going.
- [51:00]
Val Chmerkovskiy
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- [51:30]
Mary Brown
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- [52:00]
Christine Brown
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- [52:29]
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- [53:15]
Kody Brown
I.
- [53:16]
Kate Hudson
Want to talk about dance, sexuality, sex, your wives, the heat. Because obviously you know, when it's your job, it's your job. But there is a chemistry when you dance. Obviously, even even as an actor, there's chemistry that you have with people and chemistry that you don't, you know. But it is close quarters. It's sexy, it's hot. I mean, how. First of all, you met your wives. Did you both meet your wives on Dancing with the Stars? Okay, you both did.
- [53:49]
Kody Brown
I met on Broadway.
- [53:51]
Kate Hudson
You Met on Broadway and then she.
- [53:52]
Kody Brown
Joined dancing and that's where we blossomed.
- [53:55]
Kate Hudson
Okay, got it. But then, Val, you met your wife on dancing.
- [54:00]
Oliver Hudson
Yeah.
- [54:01]
Kate Hudson
Okay, so we'll get into that for a second. When you are dancing, you have hot partners and they're just your partners. How do you keep. How do you separate those things? I know you're married now. We get it, I get it, I get it. But I'm saying like, you weren't married, you know, at some point in your life. Like, how do you separate those things? And could you marry a non dancer who doesn't get it?
- [54:30]
Kody Brown
Yeah, I mean, we just spoke about that with Peter. I'm not gonna give him the whole answer because I don't know, I feel like. I just feel like you numb to the, to the touch and someone like. Val and I started as we were kids. We are close. Proximity doesn't. Proximity doesn't exist. Like you can be in my space and I would know. Whereas a lot of people, like when you're about, you know, three feet, you know, for me it's like you're too far. But for some people it's like, why are you all up in my stuff? You know? So things outside of that. We, we have a really, like, really good looking couple that we're friends with. Of course, he just. And we hang out a lot. And they. He's very jealous, you know, this man. And he should be. She's also very attractive woman.
- [55:16]
Kate Hudson
Are they dancers?
- [55:17]
Kody Brown
No, no, no. We were driving back with Peter and we were talking about this and like, you know, like, why am I not, you know what's not. I'm also very jealous, man. But just, you know, that type of job, given the trust in my spouse, like, I just don't have that, you know, if she's being groped. Yeah, that. But when she dances with her male partner, I just don't have that emotion.
- [55:43]
Kate Hudson
Even if he's groping her, but just dancing. Groping?
- [55:46]
Kody Brown
Yeah, if I, I could see that. It's not that it's not professional like on the thing.
- [55:51]
Kate Hudson
And all of a sudden his palm is in her vagina and you're like, okay, that's cool.
- [55:56]
Kody Brown
Listen, if it's a lift, that's dope. Like, yes. But if it's unnecessary and you can do it without your hand in that space, just don't do that. Look, I'm just trying to say that we, we, we, we don't. You know, Kirsty Alley told me, oh my God, you're so flirty. And I Was like, what do you mean? In rehearsal and it's on tape. And she's like, yeah, look where your hand is. I'm like, my hand is where. She's like, all of my back. I'm like, your gravity is, you know, down. I got. I gotta use two hands sometimes to move. It's not because I love you that much, you know, I gotta move you. And so, yeah, there's a.
- [56:34]
Oliver Hudson
There's. It's not, you know, there's a few things at play, right? So number one, like, just to relate it to your world when you shoot a scene, even. Even like an intimate scene, so many takes, you know, because when I watch a movie, I'm like, oh, I could do that. No, but can you 100,000 times in front of all these strangers on cue, play your body to this camera and I'll do it again. Play. You know, acting is way more than just, I showed up and I was my. Now they captured it and the project's done. So same thing with. I mean, there's so much idle time. That's when you can gauge like, okay, I have a problem with that. I don't have a problem. The dancing. I have a problem that you love to spend three hours at lunch together doing no dancing. Yeah, you know, I think that's more of a.
- [57:23]
Kody Brown
But that's not the same proximity. That's.
- [57:26]
Kate Hudson
Yeah, but it's also the intimacy. The intimacy of rehearsal and dancing and the sort of chemistry and attraction that you almost has to have to have given whatever dance it is. Because I'm sure there's certain dances that are much more romantic or sensual, you know, and then that. Then the three hour lunch right after you've sweat your asses off and exchange a couple fluids, then you're like, ah, jeez, okay.
- [57:50]
Oliver Hudson
Want to be like, you know, I want to tell you all the. The max answer. But it's a. It's a. There's a duality to it. It's a little bit of both. It's a balancing act partner that you can talk to and vent to and be reassured from. Then it's cool. But if you don't have that, then, yeah, it's an issue. It's a big issue.
- [58:08]
Kate Hudson
Yeah, no, for sure. Without that. I mean, look, there's a reason why Dancing with the Stars over the last 33 years have produced relationships, you know, that have gone good and bad. I, you know, I'm working. I'm just working with Nikki Bella, you know, and she. Her, dude, I think they're on the Rocks. But her dude was, was dance with you guys As a pro. I forget his name. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know, I mean so it happens like, you know, you're, it's, it's a hot world that you guys live in.
- [58:34]
Kody Brown
No, but it's also like, you know, for us and I'm gonna speak for most of us. It's a job that go into if we're single and you know, I definitely went into some seasons open minded, you know, let's, you know, whatever it will be, what will be. But I personally had one relationship out of 17 seasons that I did. It was very short lived and it was a mistake all the way in the beginning. So you're gonna say that I didn't have attractive partners? No, I just didn't have enough time to even care or think about this. And like Val said, a lot of idle time, a lot of OTFs and sound bites and re shoots and camera blockings and you know, stress and nerves and competition for you know what I'm saying? And now you have and you're hurt and sore and she's now on your shoulder crying because her boyfriend, husband, fiance X just showed up because they're upset with some, you know, me. Like, it's just so much stuff.
- [59:36]
Oliver Hudson
Again, the most important thing is that I love dance. I love, I can't enjoy dance without you being a part of it. Respectfully, is yes, in your direction, but I have an intention. I need you. I need you to be great. I need you to be happy. I need you to be in love. I need you to be. Because I want my dance to be what I know. So we need to be on the same page. We need to, you know, do all of that. So what do I need to do for that? If you got a significant other. Yeah, we're gonna go on a date. I'm going to really clearly try to communicate to him or her that now loves dance and partner to execute it at the level that I'm used to executing at.
- [60:27]
Kate Hudson
Have you had, have you had issues with, you know like with your spouses dancing with dudes where you might have like actually felt even tinges of jealousy? Yeah, you have?
- [60:38]
Kody Brown
Yeah.
- [60:40]
Oliver Hudson
I think it's such a taboo thing and people catch feelings about it. So I don't want to hurt anybody's feelings because that insecurity I feel too. I don't feel it anymore. But I've had situations where, but even this season, you know, my, my wife right now is partnered with Joey who is a bachelor or ex, previous bachelor. He had just got engaged. He has a beautiful fiance. They have an amazing relationship. But he is a front runner on this season of Dancing with the Stars. That's on fire on social media. Incredible virality right now.
- [61:18]
Kate Hudson
Yeah, yeah.
- [61:20]
Oliver Hudson
People are not nice, you know, and even though there are no thoughts anywhere in the air from Kelsey or Joey or Jenna or Val, but there is a lot of commentary in the comment section and so all it is, it, it, it just takes a lot of self discipline and trust and good communication.
- [61:38]
Kate Hudson
Yeah, totally. With the comments and all that. Such, all this stuff like, you know, I mean it might give you a little bit of an I, I, I never, if I do read bad shit, you just can't ever take that in. These are just, I'm here.
- [61:51]
Oliver Hudson
And so from like a human level, it's weird, but from a professional dancer level who has dedicated 30 years of his life kind of telling stories through this, through this medium. I'm standing there telling this grown ass man to grab my wife like a man. Like a little. The story of a tango is one that isn't PG Disney. It's a very, it's a very adult.
- [62:24]
Kody Brown
Story because the same comment section is going to be calling out for shitty performance that was missing passion and lacked some kind of right. No, but when, when you presented that dance, they're like, oh, is there, is, is there a problem in their relationship? No, he's right.
- [62:42]
Oliver Hudson
So just. And I thought regardless of whether I'm working with my brother or I'm working with my significant other or somebody else, you know, there are a lot of relationships that are at play but at the forefront of everybody's responsibility, if I have anything to do with it is the work. Is the work. That's it. People are going to pay money to see this work. So shut up. Yeah, sit down. That's it. That's my kind of like how I navigate that, you know. And if I'm catching feelings, you know, if I'm an honest husband, I'm not going to catch feelings.
- [63:21]
Kate Hudson
Right.
- [63:22]
Oliver Hudson
That are irresponsible. I'm going to catch other feelings. Chemistry. I think camaraderie, I think, I think the chemistry isn't always sexual.
- [63:31]
Kate Hudson
No, of course. Yeah.
- [63:33]
Oliver Hudson
Between teenage, there's a camaraderie. This kid. Teams have chemistry. And for me, back to the inception of my relationship with dance, which was sport, my heart was a girl, was my teammate. That's my guy. You know, she just, we cry together. Together, we lose together. We have never slept together.
- [63:56]
Kody Brown
Right. When that rumba comes on. Oh, you Better present that couple like it has so much passion. Because otherwise the lineup of judges, they're like, it was less than and even.
- [64:09]
Oliver Hudson
More so on that topic. That's why I think ballroom dance is so good for kids.
- [64:13]
Kate Hudson
Yeah.
- [64:13]
Oliver Hudson
Is because it's the only thing where you can create camaraderie, a healthy relationship with the opposite sex. Every sport is so divisive. You have a locker room with guys, girls, guys, girl. Everything is here. There's few sports where they integrate and really learn how to collaborate together. So in a society where we're trying to break, you know, teach kids how to respect each other's space. Respect. The irony about us being in each other's space Since I was 8 years old is that I am comfortable enough to respect it and to pick up, engage.
- [64:47]
Kate Hudson
Yeah.
- [64:48]
Oliver Hudson
Energy. You know, I am comfortable of communication. So lack of knowledge, lack of understanding.
- [64:55]
Kate Hudson
No, it's so true. Especially when you talk about getting in that personal space. You guys don't have that. Everything is right here. You know, eye contact. There's a confidence that gets built with what it is that you guys have done, you know, from such a young age. That's where that sort of bravado comes in. You know what I mean? That's where that sort of. Yeah. Off I'm the man comes in. This has been a blast, you guys. So much fun. I'll be checking you out for sure.
- [65:19]
Kody Brown
Thank you.
- [65:21]
Kate Hudson
All right. Later, guys. That was fun. These guys are, they're cool. Yeah, I, I, I probably should have been a dancer. You know, my hips are very flexible. But it's just fun to hear that world. I, they were, they gave long, very good answers. There were a few things I wanted to get to that I didn't. I just wanted to get to the sort of inside of Dancing with the Stars. There's got to be some crazy shit that goes on in there. Anyway, I got to go. I love you.
- [65:52]
Kody Brown
Peace.
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