Camila Cabello: From Harmony to Havana (Part One)

Summary

Sibling Revelry with Kate Hudson and Oliver Hudson: Camila Cabello - From Harmony to Havana (Part One)
Release Date: May 5, 2025
Host/Authors: Kate Hudson and Oliver Hudson
Guest: Camila Cabello

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Introduction

In this engaging episode of Sibling Revelry, hosts Kate Hudson and Oliver Hudson welcome international pop sensation Camila Cabello to explore the intricate bonds of sibling relationships, family dynamics, and personal growth. The conversation delves deep into Camila's upbringing, her relationship with her siblings, and the unique challenges and joys that come with being part of a family spread across different cultural backgrounds.

Early Life and Immigration

Camila opens up about her early childhood, navigating life between Cuba and Mexico before settling in Miami. She shares poignant memories of her family's immigration journey, highlighting the emotional and cultural adjustments that shaped her identity.

[15:08] Camila Cabello: "I almost feel like I took it for granted when she was so little because she was the cutest, sassiest baby."

Sibling Dynamics and Personalities

The discussion transitions to the dynamic between Camila and her younger sister, Sofia Cabello, who is ten years her junior. They explore how age differences influence their relationship, responsibilities, and mutual support.

[09:40] Sofia Cabello: "Who's the black cat and who's the golden retriever? Because I feel like you're the black cat."

Kate and Oliver contribute by drawing parallels between their own sibling relationships and Camila's, emphasizing the balance between being a protector and a friend.

Navigating Adolescence and Fame

As Camila shares her experiences auditioning for X Factor and her subsequent rise to fame, the conversation touches on the pressures of the entertainment industry and the impact on her personal life and sibling relationships.

[37:53] Oliver Hudson: "Like, Beautiful Boy with Timothy Chalamet. That movie could help so much."

Communication Styles and Emotional Support

A significant portion of the episode focuses on how siblings support each other emotionally. Camila and Sofia discuss the difference between seeking solutions versus offering a listening ear, highlighting common misunderstandings in communication.

[47:00] Oliver Hudson: "It's relatable in a sense. Like I can't like, because you know."

Camila emphasizes the importance of having siblings as "the sounding board," a role that differs from romantic partners who might seek solutions rather than just listen.

[58:10] Camila Cabello: "Siblings should be the sounding board. Not your partner."

Balancing Career and Family

Kate and Oliver explore the challenges of maintaining strong family ties while pursuing demanding careers. Camila reflects on how her work travels have affected her relationship with her family and the strategies she employs to stay connected.

[17:20] Camila Cabello: "I'm super excited because I say this every time I think that's what I say every time."

Personal Growth and Therapy

The conversation delves into personal growth, with Camila and Sofia discussing their journeys through therapy and self-help practices. They share insights on how understanding oneself better can improve sibling relationships and overall well-being.

[45:37] Sofia Cabello: "I think I've been doing therapy for the past few years. So I think I try to therapize her."

Humor and Light-Hearted Moments

Interspersed with serious discussions, the episode is filled with humorous anecdotes and playful banter, showcasing the genuine camaraderie between the siblings.

[55:30] Camila Cabello: "Hi. Can you act as my therapist? I'm having an issue with my brother Oliver."

Conclusion and Teasers for Part Two

As the episode wraps up, the hosts tease a continuation of the conversation in Part Two, promising even deeper dives into the complexities of sibling relationships and more personal stories.

[66:29] Camila Cabello: "We're gonna keep going. So we're gonna do two part episodes."

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Key Takeaways

• Cultural Heritage: Camila’s bicultural upbringing fosters a unique perspective on family and identity.
• Age Gap Dynamics: Large age differences can create both challenges and opportunities in sibling relationships.
• Communication: Effective emotional support requires understanding and respecting different communication styles.
• Personal Growth: Therapy and self-help practices play a crucial role in nurturing healthy family bonds.
• Balancing Act: Managing a successful career alongside maintaining strong family ties demands intentional effort and strategies.

Notable Quotes

• Camila Cabello at [15:08]: "I almost feel like I took it for granted when she was so little because she was the cutest, sassiest baby."
• Sofia Cabello at [09:40]: "Who's the black cat and who's the golden retriever? Because I feel like you're the black cat."
• Oliver Hudson at [47:00]: "It's relatable in a sense. Like I can't like, because you know."
• Camila Cabello at [58:10]: "Siblings should be the sounding board. Not your partner."

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This episode offers a heartfelt exploration of sibling relationships through the lens of Camila Cabello's personal experiences, enriched by the insightful commentary of Kate and Oliver Hudson. Whether you're navigating your own family dynamics or simply enjoy candid conversations about personal growth and relationships, Sibling Revelry provides both laughter and profound insights.

Transcript

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[Camila Cabello]

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[Sofia Cabello]

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[Kate Hudson]

Hi, I'm Kate Hudson and my name is Oliver Hudson.

[Sofia Cabello]

We wanted to do something that highlighted.

[Kate Hudson]

Our relationship and what it's like to be sibling.

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We are a sibling rivalry.

[Camila Cabello]

No, no.

[Kate Hudson]

Sibling rivalry.

[Camila Cabello]

Don't do that with your mouth.

[Kate Hudson]

Sibling revelry.

[Camila Cabello]

That's good. Oliver. Oliver. I'm super excited because I say this every time I think that's what I say every time. I'm super excited.

[Kate Hudson]

I hate when I know you maybe genuinely. Are I super excited?

[Camila Cabello]

I. I know, but I'm always super excited about everything.

[Kate Hudson]

It's like my super excited.

[Camila Cabello]

My friend's always like you, you. He goes, you always say like, that's the best. And I'm like, now every time I hear it.

[Kate Hudson]

I think it's best not to point point out the idiosyncrasies of people because it gets in your head.

[Camila Cabello]

But I'm super excited.

[Kate Hudson]

Well, this one actually you should be because they flew in for us.

[Camila Cabello]

I'm so angry.

[Kate Hudson]

I don't believe that. But like, that's what I was told.

[Camila Cabello]

Yeah. Which is such a weird thing. Why wouldn't you believe that?

[Kate Hudson]

Because no one flies from Miami to LA to be on sibling rivalry. They have to have other things they're doing.

[Camila Cabello]

Why do you have such a low self esteem?

[Kate Hudson]

No, I just. Am I just curious? Well, that's actually real question. This has nothing to do with the topic of these sisters flying in. If we wanted to get my low self esteem, that's another three to four podcasts we got to get through. We'll talk about that later.

[Camila Cabello]

I am excited to speak to our guest today. We are here together and it's so much fun. I love being with the people that we're interviewing and not zooming.

[Kate Hudson]

The best.

[Camila Cabello]

It's the best.

[Kate Hudson]

It is the best.

[Camila Cabello]

You guys, thank you for coming on our podcast.

[Kate Hudson]

Camila Cabello.

[Camila Cabello]

Sofia Cabello.

[Kate Hudson]

Sofia Cabello.

[Camila Cabello]

Sophia. My best friend's name is Sophia.

[Kate Hudson]

That's not your best friend.

[Camila Cabello]

Sophie. Yeah, she's One of my best friends.

[Kate Hudson]

One of you said my best.

[Camila Cabello]

She's one of my best. One of my biggest besties.

[Kate Hudson]

Well, she's very little.

[Camila Cabello]

She is little. She's so tiny. She's so cute. Oh, she's so cute.

[Kate Hudson]

Who would you say is your best friend? Do you have a best friend? You can say it. They won't. No one else will be offended.

[Camila Cabello]

I think I have a. I think I have, like a core group of best friends. I think Jamie. Jamie.

[Kate Hudson]

It's like one of is like, probably at the top of the pyramid here.

[Camila Cabello]

No, I would say Lori Lynn.

[Sofia Cabello]

Okay, great name.

[Camila Cabello]

Laurie Lynn. Yeah.

[Sofia Cabello]

Alliteration.

[Camila Cabello]

Lauren Stark. I'm very lucky because she's.

[Kate Hudson]

Well, there's. In a friend group, you have.

[Sofia Cabello]

Yeah. A hierarchy.

[Kate Hudson]

There's a hierarchy. There has to be, for sure, you.

[Camila Cabello]

Know, But I go to.

[Kate Hudson]

There's oldest, then there's certain connections you have that are better than others.

[Camila Cabello]

There was this great book that I read that talked about friendships.

[Sofia Cabello]

What's it called?

[Camila Cabello]

And I forget. Okay. But it might come to me.

[Kate Hudson]

Friendship.

[Camila Cabello]

No, it was about how, like, what is it that.

[Sofia Cabello]

That.

[Camila Cabello]

That you value in the friendship and what is it that they like, like offer you in terms of connectivity and love and all those things, and you. You can do with your friendships and you do with your family. And then you really see, like, who do you go to for, like, what. Like, how does this person serve your life? It's a kind of narcissistic in the sense that it's like, how do they serve you? But it does.

[Sofia Cabello]

We're human beings. That's kind of how we work.

[Camila Cabello]

It does sort of. It does, like, highlight the people that are really there for you, you know, like, which sibling is the person you call when something's going on?

[Sofia Cabello]

Which friend?

[Camila Cabello]

Yeah, definitely.

[Sofia Cabello]

Okay.

[Camila Cabello]

Yeah, definitely. It'll be awkward, but other than that. Other than that, he does nothing. For me.

[Kate Hudson]

It's just like a vent. Today in the car we're talking about going on, like, he sort of interrupt and talk to. Just let me venture.

[Camila Cabello]

He's like, yeah, no, no. First you were like, first you're like, I don't want this to get over. I don't want this here. I don't want this to be a thing. I'm like, shut up.

[Kate Hudson]

I know.

[Sofia Cabello]

Yeah.

[Camila Cabello]

I need to. Then just let me get it out.

[Sofia Cabello]

Yeah.

[Kate Hudson]

I don't want. Whatever this conversation was. I don't want her going back to this person and blowing the up.

[Sofia Cabello]

You're trying to do a fixer. You go to the fixer.

[Kate Hudson]

I just don't want to hurt anyone's feelings and, you know, and Kate's.

[Camila Cabello]

No, he's an avoidant.

[Sofia Cabello]

Oh, my God. You look like a cinnamon roll. And you are a cinnamon roll.

[Camila Cabello]

Yeah, well, I mean, you.

[Sofia Cabello]

I don't think you. I. I don't actually think. I actually think you look like. He looks like he could kill you, but is a cinnamon roll.

[Camila Cabello]

Yeah, yeah.

[Sofia Cabello]

I actually think it's more that.

[Camila Cabello]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Kate Hudson]

I think that's. What am I. I'm definitely cinnamon roll, But I'm a weird. A little nutty.

[Camila Cabello]

Yeah, but you would like a nut roll. No, she's right. I can be Camilla's right.

[Kate Hudson]

You're addictive and hurt people.

[Sofia Cabello]

Okay, yeah, fair enough.

[Kate Hudson]

You know.

[Camila Cabello]

Oh, that's true.

[Kate Hudson]

I can go for the jugular. I get. I get.

[Camila Cabello]

Oh, I forgot about that.

[Sofia Cabello]

My sister's.

[Camila Cabello]

Yeah.

[Kate Hudson]

White.

[Camila Cabello]

Oh, yeah.

[Kate Hudson]

Flash of, like. Oh, my. Oh, my God. I don't know what the I'm about to do right now.

[Sofia Cabello]

Like, white hot heat.

[Kate Hudson]

Personal.

[Camila Cabello]

You get white hot heat.

[Oliver Hudson]

It's like you, like, need to take out the venom. Like, if you're a scorpion, just, like, you need to let it out.

[Camila Cabello]

Are you a scorpio?

[Oliver Hudson]

Oh, no, my dad is.

[Camila Cabello]

Oh, dad's a scorpio. My. Our mom's a scorpio. Yeah, yeah. It's that tail that tails.

[Sofia Cabello]

Do you guys find. Are you guys very kind of opposite in personalities? Because we're. I feel like we're very, like, different surface. Surface level wise. We're very different.

[Kate Hudson]

Yeah, I think so. I think so.

[Camila Cabello]

But we're not, like. That's an interesting question.

[Kate Hudson]

I think. I think we are, but there's a root that is very, very similar.

[Sofia Cabello]

You know, I have a good way to frame this question. Somebody was like, there's always somebody in a relationship, for example, that's a black cat and somebody that's a golden retriever. Oh, so it's like, who's the black cat and who's the golden retriever? Because I feel like you're the black cat.

[Camila Cabello]

Interesting.

[Sofia Cabello]

And I'm the golden retriever.

[Kate Hudson]

I mean, maybe I'm a golden retriever.

[Camila Cabello]

I'm kind of like a golden retri.

[Sofia Cabello]

I feel like you're a golden retriever.

[Camila Cabello]

I kind of. Kind of deep down.

[Kate Hudson]

What is it?

[Sofia Cabello]

I feel like black cat is somebody that's intrinsically more. How would you describe it? Like, a little bit more, like, serious. Yeah.

[Camila Cabello]

Like, Bing is the black cat and Ryder's the golden retriever.

[Kate Hudson]

I enjoy the Underbelly of life. I think there's something interesting about it.

[Camila Cabello]

Dark and seedy about you.

[Kate Hudson]

Yeah, no, I do. Because when we see people like a.

[Camila Cabello]

Black cat in the back alley.

[Kate Hudson]

That's right. With. With very green eyes. When.

[Sofia Cabello]

When we meet people.

[Kate Hudson]

When we meet people, it's always about that sort of. Not. It's. It's small talk, but no one really digs into sort of who you really are. And to get to know someone, you have to know the. The bolt of the underbelly, the pain, the. The addictions, the. The nasty. Because that is where real life sort of exists. We put on a bit of a facade. So I'm interested in that.

[Sofia Cabello]

Me, too. I Very much that too.

[Kate Hudson]

And I'm interested in indulging in that, which as I've gotten older, you have to relinquish that.

[Camila Cabello]

He's been sober for a month plus 30 days.

[Sofia Cabello]

Congrats.

[Kate Hudson]

But tomorrow I'm going to Mexico and it's all going to go to hell, so.

[Camila Cabello]

But it's been great. You take a real break.

[Kate Hudson]

I needed to take a. A break. Yeah. I was just drinking too much.

[Sofia Cabello]

Yeah. Yeah. No, fair enough. Fair enough. Yeah. I feel like I realized, like, it just, like, just makes me feel terrible.

[Kate Hudson]

That's it.

[Sofia Cabello]

Oh, my God.

[Camila Cabello]

Do you drink any? You stop drinking?

[Sofia Cabello]

No, I still do, like, occasionally, but I honestly rarely. Rarely do because I just like, the. The next day or a few days, I would, like, get sick.

[Camila Cabello]

I know.

[Sofia Cabello]

Oh, my God. I would get, like, crazy stomach cramps. And also, like, I feel like if I'm stressed, it really triggers my acid reflux. So I would be at a party and I would be like, literally, like. So.

[Kate Hudson]

Yeah, I just got, like, a prescription for acid reflux because it was getting bad.

[Camila Cabello]

Yeah.

[Sofia Cabello]

Is that stress related for you?

[Kate Hudson]

I don't know what it is. What beautiful disaster.

[Camila Cabello]

Wait, this brings me to one thing. This is a fun thing. We did this on the set of Running Point, which is we all, like, said, like, what animal are you? Like, if there was an animal that you felt, like, close, most closely connected to, what is it? And it's really interesting to see what you think of yourself and what others think about you.

[Sofia Cabello]

Okay. Okay. Let's all go. Let's all go.

[Camila Cabello]

We could do this at the end.

[Sofia Cabello]

Oh, okay.

[Camila Cabello]

Maybe we do this at the end to know each other.

[Oliver Hudson]

Okay.

[Sofia Cabello]

Yeah, let's do it. Let's do it. Let's do it.

[Kate Hudson]

Because I don't even know. Do you have any idea of what. What you guys would be. Don't say it, but I don't.

[Sofia Cabello]

For your. For myself.

[Kate Hudson]

Is it personality based?

[Sofia Cabello]

I think it's like a. Like a feeling like what animal you see and you feel maybe emotionally connected. You're like, you gravitate towards. I have one kind in my mind. And then I feel like I definitely have to get to know you guys more before I can see what animal you guys would be.

[Kate Hudson]

Yeah, yeah.

[Sofia Cabello]

You know what I mean?

[Kate Hudson]

I do. I do.

[Sofia Cabello]

I know what animals she would actually. I don't, but if I think about.

[Camila Cabello]

It, anything that would exist, like, in the animal kingdom.

[Kate Hudson]

Well, she's probably in the. In the feline sort of cat family. Maybe like a. Wow. Porcupine.

[Sofia Cabello]

I can actually see that porcupine that.

[Oliver Hudson]

I'm thinking about and I don't know the name of it.

[Sofia Cabello]

I can see that because I want.

[Oliver Hudson]

Like, an ugly animal. I think ugly animals are really cute.

[Sofia Cabello]

Yeah. And also because, like, it looks cute, but it could also.

[Oliver Hudson]

No, that's like a koala. Koalas look really cute, but, like, they're, like, super dangerous.

[Sofia Cabello]

No way.

[Camila Cabello]

Is my daughter.

[Oliver Hudson]

They're super dangerous.

[Camila Cabello]

Ronnie says that that's her animal.

[Sofia Cabello]

I didn't know koalas were dangerous.

[Oliver Hudson]

Have you seen their claws?

[Sofia Cabello]

That's so true. You could be a Galala too.

[Oliver Hudson]

Massive.

[Kate Hudson]

They can kick ass.

[Camila Cabello]

Yeah.

[Oliver Hudson]

Yeah.

[Camila Cabello]

My. My son. My older son to me has always been a giraffe.

[Kate Hudson]

Ryder.

[Camila Cabello]

Yeah.

[Sofia Cabello]

Is he very tall?

[Camila Cabello]

He just. He just looks like a giraffe. Like, his eyes are far apart. He's kind of. He's tall. He's kind of, like, goofy. And he. Even though he thinks he's like. He thinks he's sort of this like, like, athletic type, but instead he is. But he's like, a little bit goofy. And. And when you see giraffes, they're just. They're just a little silly.

[Sofia Cabello]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Kate Hudson]

My son is a sloth. 100. My oldest. He looks like a sloth. He is a sloth. He has sloth stuff.

[Sofia Cabello]

Good for him.

[Kate Hudson]

We buy him every year. Even though, like, you are a sloth.

[Sofia Cabello]

Once you have the stuffed animals, even.

[Camila Cabello]

Even how he comes to say hello, it takes like an hour, right? He, like, walks like, hey, Wilder. He's like, hey. You're like, jesus Christ, Wilder.

[Sofia Cabello]

It's so nice to be on that time. Oh, my God. I feel like I'm like, anti sloth.

[Camila Cabello]

I'm like, so you guys are 10 years apart?

[Sofia Cabello]

Yes, we're 10 years apart.

[Camila Cabello]

So how did that happen? Mom, dad.

[Oliver Hudson]

Yeah.

[Camila Cabello]

Share the Conception. Is it only the two of you?

[Sofia Cabello]

It's only the two of us.

[Camila Cabello]

Okay, so you are. How old are you?

[Sofia Cabello]

I am 28.

[Camila Cabello]

And. And so you're 18?

[Sofia Cabello]

Just turned 18. Just got her license.

[Camila Cabello]

Congratulations. Where do. Are you in Miami as well. Oh, this is. So the whole family is together.

[Sofia Cabello]

Y.

[Camila Cabello]

Okay, so 10 years sometimes.

[Sofia Cabello]

Most of the times.

[Camila Cabello]

Where were you born?

[Sofia Cabello]

I was born in Cuba.

[Camila Cabello]

Okay.

[Sofia Cabello]

And she was born Miami in the 305.

[Kate Hudson]

Oh, but you didn't pronounce Cuba right.

[Sofia Cabello]

Cuba in Cuba. Okay, there we go.

[Camila Cabello]

So you were born. So you were born in. How long were you there?

[Sofia Cabello]

So I was there kind of back and forth. And I went, like, from Cuba to Mexico up until I was about, like, 7 years old. And then my mom and I came to Miami. Then papa came a year later. And then they got busy, I heard.

[Oliver Hudson]

Maybe, like, three years later.

[Sofia Cabello]

And I remember, like, being in fifth grade, and, like, my ma came to, like, pick me up, and she had this big belly, and I was 10 years old.

[Camila Cabello]

Oh, my God.

[Sofia Cabello]

And it's so fun. Like, the. The age difference is so fun, because I feel like I got to really just witness, I don't know, like, her being a baby. And I do recall, like, cleaning a diaper or two. Like, a diaper. I'm not gonna say I. I did it all the time.

[Kate Hudson]

One is enough.

[Sofia Cabello]

One is, you know, better than zero for 10 years old, you know?

[Camila Cabello]

Well, you were 10 years older than Wyatt.

[Oliver Hudson]

Oh, really?

[Sofia Cabello]

Yeah.

[Camila Cabello]

And seven years older than Wyatt.

[Sofia Cabello]

Yeah.

[Camila Cabello]

And. But I felt that way with Wyatt, too, even though it was like, he was like, my little doll.

[Kate Hudson]

Yeah.

[Camila Cabello]

I was like, oh, my God. I have my own.

[Sofia Cabello]

Oh, my gosh. Yeah. It was so fun. So now, honestly, it actually, like, I sometimes, like, I'll be on the plane and I'll be scrolling through, you know, like, when your phone does the. Whatever. Pictures of your dog, pictures of your ex, boyfriend, whatever.

[Kate Hudson]

Like, they do, like, the memories of different people.

[Sofia Cabello]

So I'll look at, like, you know, pictures of her starting from when she was a baby. And it's actually aches. Like, I'm like, I missed that time so much. I almost feel like I, like, took it for granted when she was so little because she was the cutest, sassiest baby. Like, she was so sassy. They're so funny. Like, when I was talking about being opposites. Mama and papa tell us this all the time. Where basically, I was, like, a mute when I was little. Like, I was so serious. Like, I was like. And Sophie was like, she would like so loud.

[Oliver Hudson]

Always talking to people.

[Camila Cabello]

Oh, God. Hey, wait, what's your sign again?

[Oliver Hudson]

Aries.

[Camila Cabello]

Oh, you're an air birthday. I'm Aries too. What Was your birthday?

[Oliver Hudson]

April 2nd.

[Camila Cabello]

Oh.

[Sofia Cabello]

Happy birthday, guys. Happy late birthday.

[Kate Hudson]

Yeah, yeah.

[Camila Cabello]

Aries. Loud, fun, adventurous.

[Sofia Cabello]

You would like to laugh in your sleep.

[Oliver Hudson]

I know.

[Sofia Cabello]

She was like, yeah, it's cool.

[Kate Hudson]

It's cool. I remember that. That 10 year gap, it's seems like on paper it's too far and you wouldn't develop any kind of a relationship, but that's. It couldn't be further from the truth. At least with Wyatt and myself and even Kate and Wyatt, where you're taking more of a responsibility for your sibling rather than being just a fun sibling. Like you feel like you have a bit of ownership and protect that person because you are 10. And then even when you're. When you're 15, it's just five years, you know?

[Sofia Cabello]

Totally.

[Kate Hudson]

So it's a. It's a fun dynamic. I remember waiting for Wyatt or being excited for when he gets older and older.

[Sofia Cabello]

Yeah.

[Kate Hudson]

Where then we can start having fun.

[Sofia Cabello]

Totally.

[Kate Hudson]

You know what I mean? And we could have beers.

[Camila Cabello]

You're still waiting, my sister.

[Kate Hudson]

No, now. I was about to say now. Well, no, not now. It's because he's more successful.

[Camila Cabello]

You're the one who's supposed to marvel, guys.

[Kate Hudson]

In the Marvel universe. You know, I'm.

[Camila Cabello]

He's so busy to hang out.

[Kate Hudson]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Sofia Cabello]

He's like, I'm with Robert Downey Jr. That's right.

[Camila Cabello]

So. So Cube. So Q is. Is. Are your parents. One's Cuban, one's Mexican.

[Oliver Hudson]

Yes.

[Camila Cabello]

So you would go back and forth. Okay. And. And who's. Who's from Cuba?

[Sofia Cabello]

Yeah.

[Camila Cabello]

Mom and dad is where in Mexico. Where's that?

[Sofia Cabello]

So that's like, maybe like an hour away from. From Mexico City.

[Camila Cabello]

Is it near the water or is it like central?

[Sofia Cabello]

Oh, hell no. Not near any water. Yeah, it's kind of like Papa, where would you say it's like in. In. In. It's in the middle of a country. Yeah.

[Camila Cabello]

Okay.

[Sofia Cabello]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Camila Cabello]

And. And you. And do you still go back? Do you still go back?

[Sofia Cabello]

Like, maybe not as often as would.

[Oliver Hudson]

Be fun as we would want to.

[Sofia Cabello]

But maybe like once a year, maybe.

[Oliver Hudson]

In the summer probably.

[Sofia Cabello]

Because I think that's the way that our dad, like recharges is like going to Mexico. He's like, I need to go to Mexico. I need to like, see my family. I need to see my friends. I think it's also Even more than family and friends. It's like a, just like a cultural recharge. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Camila Cabello]

And what about Cuba? Do. Are you able to. Can you.

[Sofia Cabello]

What is, what is this the situation? Yeah.

[Camila Cabello]

What's the situation there now currently?

[Sofia Cabello]

Can we swear on this podcast? Yeah, it's. It is, yeah.

[Camila Cabello]

Yeah.

[Sofia Cabello]

There's like, I mean, we have people there that it feels like it's like about to be a. Like more and more people. We have like, there's like massive migration towards the United States because there's no food, there's no medicine. Like, there's horror stories from people from, you know, even like our, not our immediate family, but, you know, cousins who are like, I had to go to Cuba to bring my dad, like, anesthesia because he, you know, had to undergo a surgical procedure. There was no anesthesia. So the situation is really bad over there. I think it would make like mama and our grandparents, for example, really sad and heartbroken to go there because it's like, it's interesting. It's like a. It's like a. It's like a heartbreak with the, with the country, with a. You know, but I think for me that's. It's a lot of. I can't really go there.

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[Sofia Cabello]

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[Camila Cabello]

Do you have memories of being there when you were little?

[Sofia Cabello]

Well, we both. We both went like she went.

[Oliver Hudson]

I remember a memory from when I was like, literally like two or three and I have no idea how I remember. And it's like, super clear.

[Sofia Cabello]

Yeah, no, totally. The last time we went, I was 15 or 14, and you were. You were 4 and then I think you went back again without. Without me with Mama.

[Oliver Hudson]

I have no idea. That one. I don't remember. I remember the one when I was like three or something.

[Sofia Cabello]

Yeah, yeah.

[Camila Cabello]

And what's the thing that like, sticks with you about it? Like, what are the. What are some of the memories, like, when you think of it. I know.

[Sofia Cabello]

I mean, you can, you. You can go. Don't. Don't expect, like, you know, just.

[Kate Hudson]

I love the people are amazing. Ernest Hemingway fan. And like, I know that.

[Sofia Cabello]

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Kate Hudson]

That was his.

[Sofia Cabello]

Yeah, totally. I think that the people make you, like, fall in love with it. And it's also, you know, beautiful beaches and beautiful. You know, what did. What, what did you ask? I don't remember.

[Camila Cabello]

Like, what was your. Sort of.

[Sofia Cabello]

Yeah, yeah.

[Camila Cabello]

Do you have any core memories from being there?

[Sofia Cabello]

And like, what is sensorial memories? I don't know if that happens to you. But, like, if I smell, for example, like, sometimes I'll, like, walk through a. You know, I don't know, like, almost like an alleyway of a restaurant and I'll smell like meat and it'll just like, remind me of. You know what I mean?

[Camila Cabello]

Like.

[Sofia Cabello]

Cause our grandparents, like, would make pork and they had a lot of parties at that house. And I remember, you know, like, being, for example, in. In the bedroom when I was, like, really young and crying with my parents because I was so overstimulated by parties, for example. And like, they would be, like, dancing and, like, getting drunk and having fun. And I'd be like, I don't know why I was like this, but I have like, little kind of.

[Kate Hudson]

So your parents party?

[Sofia Cabello]

Not. Not really anymore, actually. They can get down. They can get down when they do.

[Oliver Hudson]

Have, like, family get together until 3am when it's crazy.

[Sofia Cabello]

Like, I am tapped. I'm like, I hate it. By 10pm they'll, like, bring, you know, family and friends, and they will be up. They'll be singing, you know, singing, karaoke music blasting until 3am like, just.

[Oliver Hudson]

All of the kids are passed out on couches.

[Sofia Cabello]

No, all of the kids are in your room. Yeah. And I hate. It's literally like. It's so funny. It's like you guys are like a bunch of kids packed, like, sardines on Sophie's bed. And Sophie's just like, I hate my life. Like kids from like, two to your age. And I'm just like, bye, guys. I'm going to sleep, like, I'm like, in the pool house.

[Kate Hudson]

But when they were. But when they were Younger they got after they partied.

[Sofia Cabello]

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. But they still. They still. Honestly, they party more than me. I feel like.

[Kate Hudson]

I love that.

[Oliver Hudson]

Yeah.

[Sofia Cabello]

Like they, hey, they. They can throw back some. Some shots. Not my mom, my dad. My dad. My dad's like. My dad is an expert in getting other people drunk.

[Oliver Hudson]

He'll have a target set on the night and like, they will be drunk by the end of it. Like, it's crazy. Like, he's evil.

[Camila Cabello]

I want to go to a party at your parents house. Oh, my God.

[Sofia Cabello]

You're totally fighting for the person that.

[Oliver Hudson]

Doesn'T want to drink too. It's hilarious.

[Camila Cabello]

But now everybody's in Miami.

[Sofia Cabello]

Everybody's in Miami.

[Camila Cabello]

And then dad recharges in Mexico. Everybody goes once, about once a year.

[Sofia Cabello]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, which makes sense. We have family and we have cousins in Mexico, and we still have some family in Cuba. But over the years, more and more people make their way.

[Camila Cabello]

What was your story? Coming to the U.S. you know, do you. Do you have memory of that at all? Like your big move?

[Sofia Cabello]

Yeah, well, my mom. It wasn't framed to me as a big move.

[Camila Cabello]

Okay.

[Sofia Cabello]

My, you know, immigrant parents are incredible liars, so, you know, because they kind of have to.

[Kate Hudson]

We're just gonna go here.

[Sofia Cabello]

Oh, no. It was literally like, we're gonna go to Disney. And I was like, yay. And then like four weeks later, I was like, where's my cousins? So, yeah, it wasn't framed to me as like this big move.

[Kate Hudson]

And then Disneyland.

[Sofia Cabello]

Yeah, it was Disneyland.

[Kate Hudson]

We're gonna go to Disney World.

[Sofia Cabello]

I was like, forever. This doesn't look like Disney World, but yeah. So I remember, like, there's different sensory things. Like, I remember in the beginning we had like, you know, like two channels, like on a tv, and I'm seeing like PBS cartoons for the first time. And I was like, this is cool. I remember like, there being a little bit of like a culture clash with having like, I had like a CD player and I had like David Bisval, just like a Spanish singer. And I would like, bring that to school and like, show it to like, my American best friend and be like, do you know David Bisbell? Like, and she was like, what the hell is that? Like, it was a bit of like, culture.

[Kate Hudson]

Wait, how old were you?

[Sofia Cabello]

I was seven.

[Kate Hudson]

So did you. Did you have. Did you.

[Sofia Cabello]

Six or seven? I always say six or seven.

[Kate Hudson]

Did you know English or. No. So you had to learn.

[Sofia Cabello]

No. Me no speake.

[Kate Hudson]

Me no speaking.

[Sofia Cabello]

No.

[Camila Cabello]

Really?

[Sofia Cabello]

No.

[Camila Cabello]

So you came to America with your family thinking you were going to Disneyland.

[Sofia Cabello]

Yeah.

[Camila Cabello]

You didn't speak English. And then as we do, I guess we immediately start the adapting.

[Sofia Cabello]

Yeah.

[Camila Cabello]

And that. That must have been hard. Although. Although. Did it feel exciting in any way? Or were you like, what's.

[Sofia Cabello]

No, I don't think exciting, but I think I've always been, like. Speaking of the opposite thing, like, I feel like I'm more introverted and, I don't know, you're kind of a mix of both, but you're more extroverted than me.

[Oliver Hudson]

It depends on my mood. Like, everybody. But, like, usually I'm very extroverted. But I, like, like talking and like, yapping and like.

[Sofia Cabello]

Yeah, but. But I think for me it was like. I think I was so introverted, and who knows if it was nature, nurture, maybe that's why I became so introverted. I was kind of always more in my own world. I listened to a lot of music. I, you know, like, had, like, little journal. I would, like, write songs. I. You know, I spent, like. I remember a summer with my mom when she worked at, like, this architect's house or office. Like, for that whole summer, I basically just like, like, stayed under her desk. And she made, like a. A cardboard house for me under her desk. And that's what I was doing. Like, I wasn't really super social, so I don't think in that sense, I missed my. I remember saying, like, I miss Gabby and I miss my. My cousin who I was really close to, but I always was, like, I had, like, one best friend and that's it, right? One best friend and that's it. So I. I don't know. I don't think I.

[Kate Hudson]

This is fun having the parents here, too.

[Sofia Cabello]

Mama. Papa, just tell.

[Kate Hudson]

Correct us.

[Sofia Cabello]

Fact check us. Do you think it was hard for me? Because I. Okay. She says it was really hard.

[Kate Hudson]

Really hard for her. Yeah.

[Sofia Cabello]

Why do you think it was hard for me? We left everything behind.

[Camila Cabello]

Papa.

[Sofia Cabello]

It's interesting. I don't know if you know this, but I remember when Papa was gone for a year, I had, like, a little Disney calendar where I would cross the X's until he came back, basically. And I was so excited. And then Papa actually came to the United States and I didn't talk. I didn't talk for like, three days because I was just like, who is he?

[Camila Cabello]

So how.

[Kate Hudson]

By the way, Katie, just to let you know, Katie and I are still crossing off those X's.

[Sofia Cabello]

One day for.

[Kate Hudson]

Papa to come back.

[Sofia Cabello]

Papa. Papa. Maybe he's in Mexico. No, no, not to over. I was gonna say not to over talk or whatever, but I was gonna say, like, I think we both had experiences with that too, because, like when we had to go to X Factor, I think you had similar experiences too, of like. I feel like our family's been scattered in different.

[Camila Cabello]

Yeah. You know, how long was it? So he was gone for like a year. For a year. For a year.

[Sofia Cabello]

Right. But I wasn't there.

[Kate Hudson]

Wow, that's hard. No FaceTime.

[Sofia Cabello]

But you're Papa.

[Camila Cabello]

Yeah. Your mom just goes, that's why we got busy after. That's right. Yes. I mean, that is wild. Oh, that must have been so hard. And probably not something that like you really could remember or uncover. Unless you're like, like have to be in like intense therapy and like actually go back into that time and really go through certain things, which maybe you.

[Kate Hudson]

Don'T even need to necessarily. Only because when papa came back, he was. He's an exact human being.

[Sofia Cabello]

Exactly.

[Kate Hudson]

It was just sort of a.

[Camila Cabello]

A moment of like a real, real immigration story.

[Kate Hudson]

What about growing up though? Was it. Were they strict? Were they. Do they allow you to run free? You know? And how is it maybe different?

[Sofia Cabello]

Oh, my God.

[Kate Hudson]

Ten years apart.

[Oliver Hudson]

Well, we're very. That's. That's where you, like, we're very different people. Like, she wouldn't have wanted to go out.

[Kate Hudson]

Oh, really?

[Oliver Hudson]

Love going out, so it's very different.

[Kate Hudson]

So. But when you Would they let you, you know, as you guys were old, or was it. Was there a freedom or was there sort of a restriction of like. No, we live in a. More of a strict house.

[Camila Cabello]

It sounds like your parents are like.

[Sofia Cabello]

Like they're so cool.

[Kate Hudson]

Yeah. They party.

[Camila Cabello]

Yeah. I mean, they're like, go.

[Oliver Hudson]

My parents do say a lot. It's like I was their first teenager because they never had to deal with like the like, can I go to this party? Can I sleep over at my friend's house two nights in a row? Can we go in like, you know, like, they never had that with her as much.

[Sofia Cabello]

I was super goody two shoes. I had like two best friends and.

[Oliver Hudson]

Yeah, that's it.

[Sofia Cabello]

And like our outings would be like going to church because, like, they wanted to go to church. Right. And I was like, please let me go to church, please.

[Camila Cabello]

With Sophie. With Sophie.

[Sofia Cabello]

Sophie. My dad is like fully like, he is. That man's cortisol level is high with you, girl. Like, he is like tracks her on life. Three, six till 2am he's like, now you're 18.

[Oliver Hudson]

Yeah. But, like, still same thing, same shit, but it's fine. It's okay.

[Camila Cabello]

He just wants to make sure you're safe.

[Sofia Cabello]

Yeah.

[Kate Hudson]

What do you attribute that to? You know what I mean? Do you think this just. It's nature, nurture, but do you think you just came out being that kind of a person, you know, or.

[Sofia Cabello]

No, it's such a good question. Well, one, I started working when I was 15.

[Kate Hudson]

You did.

[Sofia Cabello]

So I also wasn't. I didn't. I don't. I didn't have that. The teenager experience, but I honestly don't think I would have anyway. I just don't feel like that was really in. In me that way. So I don't know. I think it.

[Kate Hudson]

You had to grow up pretty quickly.

[Sofia Cabello]

I had to go up. Really? Yeah, totally.

[Camila Cabello]

So what was your school experience? Experience like? Like. And it's. It. We. It's funny because you guys obviously weren't in school at the same time, so you was. Did you guys go to the same school or did you end up in.

[Oliver Hudson]

You did the same. Elementary.

[Sofia Cabello]

Some elementary school.

[Camila Cabello]

And what was that like for you, not speaking English as your first language and trying to.

[Sofia Cabello]

Yeah.

[Camila Cabello]

You know, integrate. Integrate.

[Sofia Cabello]

Well, I remember one. It's funny because I feel like it's.

[Camila Cabello]

Is.

[Sofia Cabello]

It's pretty symbolically represented in. My first name is Carla with the K. And so because I didn't speak English, I always went by Camila. And basically, like my friends from school up till now, they still call me Carla because I was so shy and I didn't speak English. So I never was like, hey, I would prefer to be called by Camila. So all the way from elementary school to high school, my friends called me Carla and my family called me Camila. So it was kind of like a almost like metaphorical, like, split identity thing because I. And I didn't even like my first name. I just was like. It just kind of stuck. And I didn't really have the language or the tools to be like, actually, I'd rather be called this. And I remember I. I don't remember this, but my mom told me this, that I guess they asked, like, do you want to be an esl? Which is for people that don't speak English or. No. They asked, do you speak English or something? And I was just like. Like, I just. I don't know. I think I was just, like, almost too shy to speak up. And I'm sure that the language thing was a part of that. So the nature nurture thing is really interesting because I think those circumstances probably are the reason why I. I am the way I am. Probably the reason why I was, like, you know, so obsessed with maybe, like, pop culture and musicians and music and, you know, like, writing in my journal. Probably a lot of it was because I felt so kind of awkward and out of place and. You know what I mean?

[Camila Cabello]

So fascinating. And then what about you? Your. Your elementary school experience? Like, completely different.

[Kate Hudson]

Yeah.

[Camila Cabello]

Yeah.

[Oliver Hudson]

Experience, like, it was fine.

[Camila Cabello]

And then what about music for you? Are you. Do you connect to music?

[Oliver Hudson]

I feel like we have a very artistic family. My mom's an architect, but she also likes drawing, and I feel like I got that from her. I'm really good at sketching. I enjoy singing, and I like singing. I had a phase with dancing, too. I also wanted to learn the electric guitar. I started playing the electric guitar. But what really stuck with me is that I really like acting more than, like, oh, really?

[Camila Cabello]

Oh, fun.

[Oliver Hudson]

Yeah, I'd love to be an actress, but I do still really, like. Like singing and all of that. But, like, I feel like acting in movies is more like. Like, I don't know, it connects more because you can. Like, music helps people, but acting also helps because, like, you, like, help people through characters.

[Camila Cabello]

Yeah.

[Oliver Hudson]

I don't know. Like, Beautiful Boy with Timothy Chalamet. That movie could help so much. People going through addiction, whatever. And there's, like, hundreds of movies that can help.

[Sofia Cabello]

She has the best taste in movies.

[Oliver Hudson]

I love watching movies. I'm literally like, I have an addiction. Like, it's crazy. It's so bad. In the past two months, I've finished five shows.

[Sofia Cabello]

Yeah.

[Oliver Hudson]

Like, really? It's a problem.

[Sofia Cabello]

And she's.

[Camila Cabello]

So what's. Your running point's not allowed. You're not allowed to say running point because I know obviously it's going to be your favorite show on television.

[Kate Hudson]

She loved adolescence.

[Oliver Hudson]

I loved.

[Camila Cabello]

What did you. What was your favorite. What is your favorite show right now that you've watched in the last, like.

[Oliver Hudson]

In the last two months? Severance, literally was so great. Insane. And I, like, love shows that, like, I can make theories up in my head, and I'm usually right because I watch so much shows that, like, I know every little hint.

[Kate Hudson]

Did you watch Paradise?

[Oliver Hudson]

No, I haven't.

[Kate Hudson]

It's on my, like, sci fi. You dig that?

[Oliver Hudson]

Oh, I'm gonna watch it. Yeah.

[Camila Cabello]

Yeah. I was just told that I should. Someone said, yeah, we were doing this sort of exercise of, like, production companies and, like, what would go in my bubble of my production company if you were to, you know, and And. And they said, paradise. And I was like, I gotta see it.

[Oliver Hudson]

Like, I don't know. Like, rom coms don't do enough for me. Unless, like, they break my heart. Like, one day on Netflix, like, killed me.

[Camila Cabello]

I don't know that show.

[Sofia Cabello]

But really, the movies that you love are like. Your cinephilia is so. Like, you've watched so many classics. I didn't watch classes until I was older. Like, I feel like your taste is so.

[Camila Cabello]

Yeah. That's so funny for your age.

[Sofia Cabello]

And in music, too.

[Camila Cabello]

The movie's the best.

[Sofia Cabello]

Best.

[Camila Cabello]

Aren't they the best?

[Oliver Hudson]

So good.

[Camila Cabello]

Have you seen Goodwill Hunting yet?

[Oliver Hudson]

What? Yes, I have.

[Camila Cabello]

Yeah.

[Oliver Hudson]

So beautiful.

[Camila Cabello]

My son just saw that, too.

[Kate Hudson]

That was random.

[Camila Cabello]

Well, because Bing is on this kick. My middle list of classes. He's got a list? Well, he's watching everything you, like. He's just like. He's just like. He just watched Wolf of Wall Street. He's watching. He's just watching everything.

[Sofia Cabello]

How old is he?

[Camila Cabello]

He's 13. Gonna be 14.

[Oliver Hudson]

Oh, my God. That's such a good time to be watching all this.

[Camila Cabello]

He's so. And he said to me the other day, he's like, like, it teaches you.

[Kate Hudson]

So much movie for. For 13.

[Sofia Cabello]

It should be advertised.

[Kate Hudson]

I'm surprised because you get on me about what I show my kids when Bing's watching Wolf of Wall Street.

[Camila Cabello]

Yeah, but he's also. Bing's also, like.

[Kate Hudson]

But it's Scorsese, I guess.

[Camila Cabello]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Kate Hudson]

So if it's Scorsese or a very.

[Camila Cabello]

Prominent filmmaker, I let Bing watch whatever he wants.

[Kate Hudson]

Now you do?

[Camila Cabello]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Kate Hudson]

Okay.

[Camila Cabello]

And he said to me the other day, Bing goes, I'm. I want to be a writer. Wow. And I want to write and direct my movies. I was just like, what? And he's like, yeah, because writing's like, my. Writing's, like, my thing. And I'm like, that's so. It was like. I've never heard him say anything like that. And it's so fun, as your parents know, when you see your kids and you all of a sudden see them, like, click, click.

[Sofia Cabello]

Something passionate about something.

[Camila Cabello]

Like, they're like, that's just like. I want to. I want.

[Kate Hudson]

Did that happen? When did that happen with you? You know what I mean? When was that moment where it was like, oh, shit, I think this is what I'm supposed to do.

[Oliver Hudson]

You would, like, sing in, like, we had, like, not a basement, but a little thing. And she'd be like, you'd be doing, like, karaoke by yourself.

[Sofia Cabello]

I think I was always singing, and then, like, I can't remember a time where I wasn't singing and I wasn't, like, obsessed with music, but I think it was when I auditioned for X Factor. I was, like, obsessed with, like, One Direction, and they did an ad for, like, auditioning for X Factor, and I was like, you know, they were like regular degular kids. I'm a regular degular kid. I'm just gonna try it. And then my life kind of changed. But I can't remember a time where I wasn't, like, obsessed with music. I always loved it. And I think it's interesting with Sophie because I feel like I was gonna say when you were talking about, like, the. The dancing and the drawing, like, something that I find so fascinating about you is, like, you're so talented at so many things. Like, when you had, like, your. She made this, like, band with her friends called. What was it? My Father's Wallet. Such a sick band name.

[Camila Cabello]

Great name.

[Sofia Cabello]

They sent me, like, two songs that they wrote. Right.

[Kate Hudson]

I feel like Palisades, the freestyle should be on that.

[Sofia Cabello]

Yeah, for sure.

[Oliver Hudson]

It would fit perfectly.

[Sofia Cabello]

It's so true. It's so true. The title Palisade is My Father's Wallet. But, like, you sent me, like, two songs, and I was like, okay, what the hell? Like, these are incredibly written songs. Then the drawings, like, one time, like, she, like, drew my merch, which was like, oh, fun. It was so cool. Like, the designs were so crazy. Like, it's like, she's so talented at, like, so many different. Different things. But I do think, like, you welcome. But I do think, like, it's true what you're saying. Like, the moment where you're like, I really want to do this. It's, like, so exciting, especially, like, you know, seeing you, like, you know, be a little. A little toddler baby, and now you're like, I really want to do acting. It's, like, different than just, like, doing different things.

[Kate Hudson]

You're like, well, it's just so interesting to watch you guys right now being 10 years, years apart, honestly, because, you know, you have. You've had so much life experience with what you do. And I want to actually ask about that as far as being 15, going into this business, your parents allowing you to do that because they knew that's what you loved, and you were extremely talented at. At the same time trying to protect you from this world as well. And how they were able to navigate.

[Camila Cabello]

It was probably more the opposite. They were probably, like, out and. And, like, Partying out at the bar when she's, like, singing. And then she was probably like, can someone please get my parents? We have to go home.

[Sofia Cabello]

That's hilarious.

[Kate Hudson]

I want to hit on that. But also just going back to that. Watching your little sister, you know, growing up and she's 18 and sort of growing into her talents and discovering all of these amazing things that she can do and then getting excited about how she's going to.

[Sofia Cabello]

I love it.

[Kate Hudson]

Implement them and which one she's going to choose. Maybe all of them.

[Sofia Cabello]

Them.

[Kate Hudson]

It's exciting. It's. It's exciting.

[Sofia Cabello]

It's the best. Because I'm like, oh, I can take all of my. I don't know whether if she wants it or not, but just be like, all of my mistakes, all of my. Whatever the. With the things that I've learned. You're just kind of like, go, go, go. It's, like, fun to be a cheerleader, especially, because it honestly gets so. This sounds, like, so annoying, but it's like, it's more fun when it's. It's. It's very fun when it's not about you. Also, in a career where it's like, and what do we do for you? Single, it's, like, so fun to be, like, great.

[Kate Hudson]

Yeah.

[Sofia Cabello]

Now. Yeah, now. Let's focus on you.

[Kate Hudson]

Take it well. Or do you ever push back? Is there any sort of butting of heads between you guys being 10 years apart?

[Sofia Cabello]

Yeah, there's. There's. There's butting of heads. I mean, like, I feel like we talked about this. This recently. I remember I was like, you know, like, I'm gonna tell you things that maybe you don't want to hear, but that's me being, like, a good friend to you and a good sister to you.

[Oliver Hudson]

And also, I feel like we have very different, like, ways of looking at things. Like, again, with, like, you're very, like, let's think about this calm and rashly. And I'm like, no, we have to do it right.

[Sofia Cabello]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Camila Cabello]

That's because you're an Aries.

[Oliver Hudson]

Yeah, we also. We have different, like, views on certain things.

[Camila Cabello]

Like what?

[Oliver Hudson]

Like, I don't know how to explain it.

[Sofia Cabello]

Well, one, like, she thinks, like, I. I'm on tick tock, like a millennial. And I'm like, I am a millennial.

[Oliver Hudson]

She can't be doing that.

[Sofia Cabello]

Like, you have to do it this way because it's too millennial. I'm like, no, no, no.

[Camila Cabello]

Yeah.

[Oliver Hudson]

Like, If I ever get, like, overwhelmed or, like, if I Need like, or if I'm nervous or something. Like, she gives me what I like to call like the Oprah pep talk where she just like, to me it's very, very sweet. But it's like a lot, it's a whole lot of nothing to me. Like I would rather just like look in the mirror and just like be like, Sophia, calm the fuck down. And then I just walk out and then I'm fine. It's like that stresses me out more. But for her that would have like literally like, like I know that for her that's how it works for like. I need to give you a pep talk. Everything's fine. Whatever. For me that like, like, it like makes me worse.

[Kate Hudson]

I want to hear, I want to hear the Oprah pep talk. Like what? Give me an example.

[Camila Cabello]

I think I am here though.

[Kate Hudson]

Okay.

[Camila Cabello]

I think I feel okay.

[Sofia Cabello]

Well one, I, I definitely, I feel like I've been doing therapy for the past few years. So I think I try to therapize her.

[Kate Hudson]

Yes.

[Sofia Cabello]

In a way that I think is sneaky, but it's actually not.

[Oliver Hudson]

And I know it.

[Sofia Cabello]

Like, you know what I mean?

[Oliver Hudson]

Like, I'm like, I'll be like, I'll.

[Sofia Cabello]

Be like Kate Moss. Well, you know, you really have to like, persistence is really the key. Like you really just, you know, you can't give up. Like, even if you're tired. Like you, you just, it's really, it's not telling. It's really determination. And she'll be like, shut the up. Like, I know you're trying to like, I know you're trying to like sneaky.

[Kate Hudson]

Yeah.

[Sofia Cabello]

Impart advice. I don't know. I do know that I do that. And then I'm like, it's kind of like what you were saying. Like you're, I think it was before we started where you're like, let me just vent. And you're like trying to maybe fix things.

[Oliver Hudson]

Yeah. You're doing solutions and I just need to like let it out and then I'll deal with it on my own because I can like, it's like when I would go to like therapy or something, I already know what he's going to say and I already know that it's a problem. I just like, like, so there's no point. You know what I mean? Like, I like, I know that I'm the problem. I just like, that's not the point.

[Camila Cabello]

Because for you in relationships.

[Oliver Hudson]

Oh yeah.

[Camila Cabello]

Is going to be so challenging. Cuz I'm. Men all want to fix everything.

[Oliver Hudson]

Yeah.

[Camila Cabello]

They just so true. It's like every time in every relationship I have ever been in, when I am like, this is D. And this is. And this is what's going on. And then they always want to try to fix it. I'm like, like, can you.

[Oliver Hudson]

Yeah, just stop it.

[Camila Cabello]

Can you. This is so. It's so annoying, man. I don't need. I'm gonna fix it. I'm gonna fix.

[Oliver Hudson]

It's like sinking into the couch.

[Kate Hudson]

I agree. But at the same time, you know, Aaron, my wife, sometimes I'm like, just listen. Cuz she's like, I'm like, I just feel like this or I feel like that. Well, I mean, maybe it's just because of this. This and that. I'm like, I don't. I don't need that right now. Yeah, we can just. You can just listen.

[Camila Cabello]

Oh, you're saying it's the opposite. Like, you need to be listening.

[Kate Hudson]

Yeah.

[Camila Cabello]

Oh, okay. Yeah, yeah. You don't want the solution.

[Kate Hudson]

I think men don't like when their partner is feeling bad or sad. And I think there's a. Maybe a primal trigger of some kind where it gets sort of frustrating.

[Camila Cabello]

Right.

[Kate Hudson]

You know, I'm like, oh, God. Just feel. Just feel okay.

[Camila Cabello]

Yeah, just feel okay.

[Sofia Cabello]

So I can feel okay.

[Oliver Hudson]

Yeah.

[Sofia Cabello]

So true.

[Kate Hudson]

Because when you're feeling like I don't. I get it together. There's this thing and. And there seems to be a pattern with. With a lot of men that I know who feel the same way. And I think it. It's a trigger because when. When you don't feel good, I don't feel good.

[Sofia Cabello]

It's so true, you know?

[Camila Cabello]

Oh, get a hold of yourself.

[Kate Hudson]

I just don't like it, you know?

[Camila Cabello]

Jeez, Let me feel good without you Having did not feel good too. Give me. Let me feel bad.

[Oliver Hudson]

Yeah. Like, why is everything about them?

[Kate Hudson]

But then the alternative is this. Hey, babe. Like, you know, I'm just feeling this and this and that. You don't want me to fix anything. So it's like, okay, yeah, cool. Peace. I'm gonna go play some golf.

[Sofia Cabello]

No, no.

[Oliver Hudson]

You have to be like, that really sucks. That must feel bad with everything that she says and.

[Sofia Cabello]

Yeah.

[Camila Cabello]

You know, or you just say like, yeah, God, you know, I'm sorry, but.

[Sofia Cabello]

What if you want to be like, hey, do you think you could maybe be looking at this the wrong way? Is that such an annoying thing to say? Because the thing is, when somebody tells me that, I'm like, I'm mad, but I'm. But I really. I'm like, yeah, I really am listening. It's what you said. It's very humble for me. I'm like, I'm like an advice junkie, right?

[Camila Cabello]

You love advice.

[Sofia Cabello]

Not necessarily, like, advice. And also, you know, like, I listen to, like, podcasts that are, like, self help. Yes. Like, I'm like, that person. Like, I'm like. I'm like Oprah. Please, like, tell me the tips, and I will do them. Hold on.

[Camila Cabello]

I am listening to this thing. Thing called. Wait. I have this app called Waking Up. I really like it because. Love that.

[Sofia Cabello]

Love that. I know. Yeah. Yeah.

[Camila Cabello]

And I listen to these. Just lectures.

[Sofia Cabello]

Me too.

[Camila Cabello]

I'm like, like. And everyone's like, what are you.

[Sofia Cabello]

Put you on to this Waking Up Sam Harris. That's my Friday night.

[Kate Hudson]

I've been listening to. I've been doing.

[Camila Cabello]

You didn't put me on to Waking Up Sam Harris.

[Kate Hudson]

I've been listening to this since the beginning.

[Camila Cabello]

What is it that you didn't have anything to do is be getting the app?

[Kate Hudson]

I know you're listening, Sam. We know the truth about all this.

[Camila Cabello]

Anyway, I love.

[Kate Hudson]

I love Waking up.

[Camila Cabello]

I love it. And I just, like, put it on.

[Kate Hudson]

Meditation is good, even if you've meditated for a long time and understand it. I did his little intro to meditation, and it was great, you know?

[Camila Cabello]

Oh, it's great. Did I tell you about Waking Up? Yeah.

[Sofia Cabello]

No.

[Camila Cabello]

And. And I. And the lectures, to me are something where I could just, like, put that on, go for a walk. I need to hear it all the time. All the time. And then right now, I'm reading a book called Letting Go, which you would probably love if you haven't read it.

[Sofia Cabello]

No, I have. I don't.

[Kate Hudson]

It's one page. It just says, let go. That's it.

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[Sofia Cabello]

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[Camila Cabello]

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[Sofia Cabello]

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[Oliver Hudson]

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[Camila Cabello]

I mean, I always thought I needed.

[Sofia Cabello]

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[Sofia Cabello]

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[Sofia Cabello]

Okay, then. So the first room we're looking at.

[Camila Cabello]

Is for guests coming over and I'm.

[Sofia Cabello]

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[Sofia Cabello]

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[Camila Cabello]

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[Kate Hudson]

I want to go back to this. Men trying to fix things. Because I would want to know how not to try to fix things. How to walk the line of listening and being attentive and at the same time not being overbearing with trying to fix it. Meaning you come to. We're married. You come to me with a problem. I got this, this and this. And I'm feeling this. What am I supposed to say?

[Sofia Cabello]

I think I feel like it's nice to say. Like, I totally get that. That must be really hard.

[Oliver Hudson]

Yeah. Like, you kind of have to complain, like if you're one of her friends, like, oh, this guy I work. Yeah, he saw, like, you know what I mean? Just like, let her ring.

[Camila Cabello]

That's good too. That's just like a. Yeah, yeah.

[Oliver Hudson]

Just like, just straight up. Just like agree and be like, yeah, they're terrible.

[Camila Cabello]

Like, you know what?

[Oliver Hudson]

You deserve the best. Like, they're. They're terrible. Like, they suck. And.

[Camila Cabello]

God, I know.

[Oliver Hudson]

I feel bloated too.

[Kate Hudson]

Yeah, Yeah, I know.

[Sofia Cabello]

My breasts are tender.

[Kate Hudson]

I know.

[Sofia Cabello]

I don't.

[Kate Hudson]

My aerial eyes are really big as well.

[Oliver Hudson]

Not the Ariel.

[Camila Cabello]

Oh, my God, this is great. Cuz you're learning. I want that too. I think we're similar.

[Sofia Cabello]

It's also fun.

[Camila Cabello]

Agree with me.

[Sofia Cabello]

It's fun talking and like.

[Oliver Hudson]

Yeah, exactly.

[Camila Cabello]

Like, just my mom and I. I decided one day because it would be like, mom would always say preface. Like, I don't mean to complain, but I'm like, mom, you know what? We need to complain.

[Sofia Cabello]

Oh, my God, I feel, feel.

[Camila Cabello]

So we're gonna go to lunch and we're only gonna complain the whole time.

[Sofia Cabello]

It feels bad. That's a fun one. We should do that.

[Camila Cabello]

And then we. And then we, like, what got into other things. I'm like, no, no, we need. We're complaining. And she's like, okay. And we. And it's so funny. And we laughed. We laughed.

[Sofia Cabello]

That's so fun.

[Kate Hudson]

I love that.

[Camila Cabello]

So sometimes you need a complaining lunch.

[Kate Hudson]

That's a fun thing to do.

[Sofia Cabello]

Yeah. And it's good.

[Kate Hudson]

Well, I'm different in, like, you know, you hear this. The cliches of, you know, husbands having to listen to their wives, issues with their friends and you're kind. I love it. Whenever a wife comes into the bed, she goes, oh, my God. So you'll never know what happened?

[Oliver Hudson]

Oh, my God. I love.

[Camila Cabello]

All he puts on. He puts on his silk robe and his slippers, and he's like, tell me more.

[Kate Hudson]

I love the guy.

[Sofia Cabello]

Yeah.

[Kate Hudson]

I love the gossip stuff.

[Sofia Cabello]

Yeah. And I'm like, I love a bit of gossip.

[Kate Hudson]

Oh, my God. I can't believe she's like that. Like, I love.

[Sofia Cabello]

That's really fun.

[Kate Hudson]

No, I love it.

[Camila Cabello]

But wait, I like this for siblings because it's one thing for relationships. And the truth is, like, relationships. The thing that bothers me about relationships is, like, I don't really want. Like, I don't always want him to be the person that is the person that I'm doing everything with.

[Sofia Cabello]

Like, yeah, for sure.

[Camila Cabello]

It's kind of like.

[Sofia Cabello]

That's not good.

[Camila Cabello]

Yeah, like. Like my. It's like. Like, it's like. You know what Esther Perel always says? It's like you have this expectation that your partner is supposed to be everything to you on the planet. Like, they need to be the person that's your best friend. They need to. The person, like, does everything for you properly. They need to, like, cook for you. They need to, like, you know, make sure that they pamper you with something. All that, you know, like, they have to do everything versus, like, maybe the sibling dynamic needs to be more of.

[Sofia Cabello]

A listening dynamic for you. They need to do everything for you.

[Camila Cabello]

You need to come over. But you should listen to me more.

[Kate Hudson]

What do you mean? I do.

[Camila Cabello]

No, no. Like, really, like, I need you. I need you more than what you get.

[Sofia Cabello]

Like, as a.

[Kate Hudson]

What?

[Sofia Cabello]

Okay.

[Camila Cabello]

As, like, he. You need to. You don't really ask for more. No, I need to call you, and you need to just not say anything.

[Sofia Cabello]

I feel like we do this right.

[Camila Cabello]

You need to not say anything and just let me talk about whatever I want to talk about and then. And then let me say. Okay, what do you think?

[Kate Hudson]

Just put you on mute and shoot me a text when you're done.

[Camila Cabello]

Siblings should be the sounding board.

[Kate Hudson]

I agree with that.

[Camila Cabello]

Right. Not your partner. The partner shouldn't be a sounding board. Your sibling should be your s. And then.

[Kate Hudson]

And then after you rant and say, do you want my advice or no? And then you say yes or no, and then we move on like that.

[Sofia Cabello]

That's kind of nice. And they'll. They will always say no.

[Camila Cabello]

I think. I think it's kind of. I think it's kind of like a.

[Oliver Hudson]

Well, honestly, if you ask it like that, I probably would say yes. It depends.

[Camila Cabello]

Yeah.

[Oliver Hudson]

Just can't be shoved down your throat.

[Sofia Cabello]

Do you feel like I do that all the time.

[Oliver Hudson]

What you do. You try and you say it out loud, but, like, I know that it's coming from a place of, like, you're trying to help.

[Sofia Cabello]

Yeah. Do you feel like I'm gonna ask, like, a controversial question because. Because mama's here. Okay. Do you feel like I'm better at it than Mama, though?

[Oliver Hudson]

I'm so sorry, but, like.

[Sofia Cabello]

No, I'm saying when you're overwhelmed. When you're overwhelmed.

[Oliver Hudson]

Unfortunately, you and Mama. No, it's not bad that you're asking that question. But the thing is, is that you're more of, like, a ranting thing, and mama is like a comfort thing.

[Sofia Cabello]

Can I tell. Can I tell you something that happened, though? 30 minutes ago? I literally was like, mama started talking to you about something, and she was like, like, remember? She was like, blah, blah, blah. Like, don't.

[Oliver Hudson]

Like, when you're on my. And then.

[Sofia Cabello]

And then I see my sister getting, like, like, overwhelmed, and I literally. When you were in the car, I was like, mama, no stress.

[Oliver Hudson]

I know.

[Sofia Cabello]

You know, I have bad ears.

[Oliver Hudson]

I hear everything.

[Sofia Cabello]

I feel like I'm always, like, telling her, like, you're stressing her out.

[Camila Cabello]

Stop.

[Sofia Cabello]

Stop telling her that. Stop telling her.

[Oliver Hudson]

I know, but you both stress me out.

[Sofia Cabello]

But I will say different ways.

[Oliver Hudson]

It's like how you were saying that you go to different people for, like, different needs that they fulfill. My mom calms me down more, but my sister rants more.

[Kate Hudson]

Who would you go to with, like.

[Oliver Hudson]

Boy issues for, like, unbiased? I go with my mom because she's gonna tell me if I messed up or not biased. I go with my sister.

[Kate Hudson]

Okay. And. And so you. It's like, more advice with boys. Like, you mess up more than you don't.

[Oliver Hudson]

No, it's more of like. Like, I don't know how to explain it. Like, my mom's gonna, like, call me out more. Like, even if I didn't do something wrong, she'd be like, but you can maturely handle it. Instead of, like, me being able to, like, crash out and be a teenage girl with boys.

[Sofia Cabello]

To be honest, I'm kind of like, okay, I see. I see that this is happening, but I'm just gonna, like, you make your own mistakes. Because I feel like with boys, you can't be adviced out of boys. I just feel like you can't, especially at that age.

[Kate Hudson]

Great point.

[Sofia Cabello]

At that age, it's like, you're not going to be like, hey, like, do you feel like this is a little toxic yeah, like my mom wants me.

[Oliver Hudson]

To act like if I'm like, like 27, like, like mature and whatever and like, let me crash out. Let.

[Sofia Cabello]

You're not gonna look at it in a healthy way at 18, like when I was, it's like, I'm like, girl, just do it.

[Kate Hudson]

Let me ask a question though. Being this 10 year, do you ever give her advice about boys?

[Oliver Hudson]

Yeah.

[Camila Cabello]

Yeah.

[Kate Hudson]

You know, because it's interesting from a 10 year younger perspective, you know, there has to be some sort of respect there. Or listen, you listen to your sister when she goes, look, here's what I see. I know I'm 10 years younger, but I have a perspective that you might.

[Oliver Hudson]

Not get out with your first boyfriend. I didn't like him, him and I told him a jerk and then my mom got mad at me and then I had to say draft instead. And I remember that very vividly. And I didn't like him and I was right.

[Sofia Cabello]

Yeah. I think you have very intuitive senses about people and I think that just like everybody. You can see other people's things. You can see, hey, guys, you can see other people's like when I'm like really emotional and whatever. You can see it from a very objective way and we can never see it when it's your own impulses. Do you know what I mean?

[Camila Cabello]

Yeah, I know. And, and sometimes it's fun just to like not deal with it. Like the, like you're saying. Like you kind of have to come to the realization yourself.

[Sofia Cabello]

Really? Do you have to get back with that person 10 times?

[Camila Cabello]

That's why it's a great what you said.

[Sofia Cabello]

Yeah.

[Kate Hudson]

You can't advice. I forget the word advice. Someone out of a boy.

[Camila Cabello]

A boy.

[Kate Hudson]

You know, it's like when you're set, it's. I hear you, but oh my God.

[Sofia Cabello]

Literally, then you see them in person.

[Camila Cabello]

And you're like, yeah, yeah. And you know. And you know too. It's like, I think, I think sometimes it's hard. I think for me with girls it's more like. And my girlfriends, it's like when you see someone who literally never takes. Takes not only anyone's advice, but like, can't is really like, can't see it for themselves. Then there comes a time where you're exhausted by your friend. You're like, you've told me the same story like 5,000 times.

[Oliver Hudson]

I know who I'm talking. I love her and she's my karma because I was her. So.

[Camila Cabello]

But you literally, like, you've, you've. You're literally Beating your head against a wall. He's.

[Oliver Hudson]

Yeah.

[Camila Cabello]

I mean, I have friends that I'm like, like he's cheated on you like a thousand times and you're still asking me what I think. Like he's a dick. He needs to go, you need to move on. You're better than this. And it doesn't matter what I say, so. But like I can't hear it anymore. Same. And I've had friends like that where I've had to be like, I can't hear this anymore. Cuz now, now I'm just enabling you to like have someone treat you like.

[Kate Hudson]

And I'm tired of it. I'm tired of saying the same over and over again, you know, and you just repeating it.

[Oliver Hudson]

And I have, I don't know, I.

[Kate Hudson]

Feel like it's the same.

[Oliver Hudson]

It's frustrating.

[Camila Cabello]

Oh my God.

[Oliver Hudson]

It's relatable. Yeah, it's like relatable in a sense. Like I can't like, because, you know.

[Sofia Cabello]

Because you've been through it.

[Oliver Hudson]

Yeah.

[Sofia Cabello]

Yeah.

[Oliver Hudson]

That's the thing with me. It's like my friends, like I will let her complain. There's a specific friend that I'm thinking about. You know who I'm thinking about. I let her complain and like I'll be like, yeah, and I understand, like I have to let like Oprah, like therapy or in a little bit, like I understand how you're feeling, but it's wrong. And then I have to like remind her of like, yeah, you miss the good stuff, but like remember like all of the bad. Like you just have to like, Like I have to listen to it just because like that was me. And like I can't. Like cuz you made, you made her.

[Sofia Cabello]

Sit through all your stuff.

[Oliver Hudson]

Not even her. Just like I've made people and like I feel like that's my karma. Like I have to like, I have to listen to you and let you ran. And also because like if I don't let her rant that, like who is she going to rant to? Like, you know what I mean?

[Sofia Cabello]

I don't know.

[Camila Cabello]

Yeah, I ran. I rant to chat. GPT all the time.

[Sofia Cabello]

Me too.

[Kate Hudson]

Okay.

[Sofia Cabello]

By the way, talk about somebody who.

[Camila Cabello]

Is good at awesome therapist.

[Sofia Cabello]

Like hearing you vent and then reassure you and then be like, do you want some help with that? And you're like, that's insane.

[Kate Hudson]

You're talking to Jet Chat GPT about problems.

[Oliver Hudson]

That's crazy.

[Camila Cabello]

You could be like, like you could be like, hey, my boyfriend just, you know, got with me because I said this and then this was his response. And then I felt like this and then I didn't know what to do. And I'm trying to figure out how to like explain to him that I feel this way. And he'd be like, wow, that sounds like you're having a really tough time.

[Sofia Cabello]

Oh my God.

[Camila Cabello]

Ready?

[Kate Hudson]

Yeah.

[Camila Cabello]

Hi. Can you act as my therapist? I'm having an issue with my brother Oliver. He has incredibly low self esteem and it just feels like he's incredibly jealous of all of the things that I do. And I don't know how to actually express that. It hurts my feelings.

[Kate Hudson]

Allegedly.

[Camila Cabello]

Can you help me?

[Sofia Cabello]

About to whoop your ass, right?

[Kate Hudson]

Allegedly. This is just play. This was play time.

[Camila Cabello]

That sounds painful.

[Kate Hudson]

She's like, is it Oliver Hudson?

[Camila Cabello]

Hey, thanks for sharing. Hey, thanks for sharing. I'm really glad you reached out. That sounds painful. When someone you care about, especially a sibling, treats you in a way that feels rooted in jealousy and insecurity reassurance. It can leave you feeling unseen or even punished for your success. And it's doubly hard when you're trying to be sensitive to their feelings but feel like yours don't get the same care. What is this? Can I ask? What are some of the ways his jealousy shows up up? Like, does he criticize you, withdraw, make sarcastic comments, try to one up you or something else? And what happens inside you when he does? And then it keeps going. But it's amazing and it. And it's helpful.

[Sofia Cabello]

It's really helpful.

[Kate Hudson]

I mean, it's pretty standard fare. I mean, it's like psychology 101, right? You know?

[Sofia Cabello]

Yeah. And all of it was just hypothetical, so.

[Kate Hudson]

Yes.

[Camila Cabello]

Okay, wait, we gotta stop. We're cutting this in half, Oliver, because it's so great, we're gonna keep going. So we're gonna do two part episodes. We love you listeners. And we'll be back. You're go.

[Kate Hudson]

Stay tuned. You're gonna have to stay tuned because it gets crazy in the second half.

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