Clutch Your Pearls with Katie Lowes from 'The Hunting Wives'!

Summary

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Sibling Revelry with Kate Hudson and Oliver Hudson

Episode: "Clutch Your Pearls with Katie Lowes from 'The Hunting Wives'!"
Date: September 22, 2025
Guest: Katie Lowes (Actress, The Hunting Wives, Scandal)
Host: Oliver Hudson

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Overview

This episode explores family, parenting philosophies, sibling relationships, the transition into middle age, and the joys and challenges of artistic careers. Oliver and Katie Lowes, known for her roles in "Scandal" and the Netflix series "The Hunting Wives," have a wide-ranging, energetic, and humorous conversation about their upbringing, family dynamics, parenting, acting craft, and rediscovering joy—from dance parties to theater.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Parenting Styles and Family Habits

• Open Parenting Approaches:
  • Oliver describes his open approach—cursing, drinking, and transparency with his kids, believing that "the more you hold them back from the vices, the more they're going to want to do them." (13:10)
  • Katie shares her perspective of controlled exposure: "If you're over 18, you can curse… that's just not today. Now my kids are 4 and 7..." (06:32)
• Blended Parenting Dynamics:
  • Katie discusses navigating conflicting upbringing styles with her husband, who was raised in a “very strict household”:
    “My husband was like a total goody two-shoes...So I, I'm curious how this is gonna look when my kids are teenagers...” (14:06)
• Multi-generational Approaches:
  • Both discuss having parents who partook in cannabis and alcohol, noting the normalization of these habits in their upbringing—culminating in a memorable family trip to Amsterdam for Katie’s mother’s 60th birthday:
    “I think we're ready to take our relationship with our parents to the next level and get fucking stoned.” (12:09) - Katie
• Setting Boundaries:
  • Oliver gives his kids independence but stresses values:
    “There are certain things I'm strict about. It's mostly personality shit, but all the other stuff, the more you hold them back...the more they're going to want to do them.” (13:39)

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2. Sibling Bonds & Family Closeness

• Physical Proximity & Support:
  • Katie and her brother live minutes apart, raising their kids together—mirroring Oliver’s family’s tradition of living close:
    “My brother lives around the corner for me in L.A... His two kids are my kids' age.” (10:11)
• Sibling Dynamics and Perspectives:
  • Oliver observes, "Everyone's stories are so different and we all have a different perspective on how we were raised, even though we were raised by the same people." (23:26)
  • Both stress instilling sibling loyalty:
    “You're all you got. I just—you gotta love each other.” (25:31) – Oliver
    “Do you see this person? This is the person…” (25:38) – Katie
• Gift of Siblings:
  • Katie: “I just feel bad that I'm gonna be adding a person to the family that's taking away attention from the other one. I was like, are you kidding? I'm doing this as a gift.” (25:38)

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3. Navigating Birth Order & Family Psychology

• Birth Order Theories:
  • Both share stories and discuss a previous podcast episode with a birth order expert.
  • Katie observes:
    “I'm the oldest, but I married a youngest. Like, a lot of people end up recreating order in some relation to the birth order they grew up in…” (27:47)
• Marriage Dynamics:
  • Oliver and his wife are both eldest siblings, Katie suspects that creates certain “responsible” and “type A” patterns. (28:25)

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4. Adult Friendships, Mom Culture, and Rediscovering Joy

• Mom-Only Dance Parties:
  • Katie raves about a secretive, mom-only dance event:
    “It's a complete wrap by 9:30. It's like mostly moms… nobody tried. I've never been at a line at a bar at 6:30 with just like all tired moms.” (34:18, 34:55)
  • Oliver jokes about the gender differences if men attempted a similar event:
    “Imagine if I had a middle-aged 300 person dance party for only dudes...I don't know if anyone would even dance.” (36:40)
• Reviving Dance as an Adult:
  • Katie shares how group dance classes and line dancing on the set of "The Hunting Wives" reawakened her joy for dance:
    “I've reintroduced dance as a 40 year old woman...I fucking hate working out and that's fun…” (37:56)

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5. Acting, Craft, and Career Trajectories

• Character Work and Audition Stories:
  • Katie describes her process landing “Jill” in "The Hunting Wives," auditioning for another role before identifying with Jill and going all-in on the “clutch your pearls” preacher’s wife characterization:
    “I teased my hair…I back teased the shit out of my hair. I put on the southern accent…I was like, I get this.” (43:12)
  • Improv and Group Scenes vs. Strict Scripts:
    • Katie explains the difference between improvisational freedom on "The Hunting Wives" and word-perfect delivery required on "Scandal" (Shondaland):
      “Shonda was like, what you say is up to me. How you say it is up to you, but like full stop, that's it.” (44:18)
    • On "The Hunting Wives," their group scenes:
      “We improv the shit out of those scenes. I'd never done that…and I thought it was the best.” (45:02)
• Theater Aspirations and Fears:
  • Oliver admits he’s never done theater because of his fear of forgetting lines, but now feels ready:
    “I love making people laugh...The thing that scared me the most was forgetting lines and completely looking like an [idiot].” (57:12)
  • Katie reassures:
    “Fucking forget your lines because you've never done something that had a four week rehearsal. By the time you get up there, you are good to go…it's the fucking best.” (57:52)
• Education & Experience at NYU Tisch:
  • Katie credits Tisch and theater for pushing her creatively and providing lifelong friendships, describing her time at school as:
    “Best four years of my life…Tisch is what you make of it. I sucked that school for every morsel I could.” (55:16)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Parenting Styles
  “Let's desensitize these fuckers before they get into the real world.” (13:10) – Oliver
  “I think we're ready to take our relationship with our parents to the next level and get fucking stoned.” (12:09) – Katie

• On Sibling Dynamics
  “Everyone's stories are so different and we all have a different perspective on how we were raised, even though we were raised by the same people.” (23:26) – Oliver
  “Do you see this person? This is the person. I'm doing this as a gift...” (25:38) – Katie

• On Artistic Growth & Theatrics
  “I teased my hair, … back teased the shit out of my hair. I put on the southern accent…I was like, I get this.” (43:12) – Katie
  “We improv the shit out of those scenes…a living, breathing thing…” (45:02) – Katie

• Actor’s Fears & New Beginnings
  “The thing that scared me the most was forgetting lines and completely looking like an [idiot].” (57:12) – Oliver
  “By the time you get up there, you are good to go your shit backwards and forwards…it's the fucking best.” (57:52) – Katie

• On Community & Middle Age Joy
  “It's a complete wrap by 9:30. I've never been at a line at a bar at 6:30 with just like all tired moms danced so hard.” (34:18) – Katie
  “Imagine if I had a middle-aged 300 person dance party for only dudes...I don't know if anyone would even dance.” (36:40) – Oliver

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Timestamps for Important Segments

• 03:22 – Podcast proper begins, sibling banter
• 05:56 – 14:52 – Deep dive on parenting philosophies; cursing, drinking, weed, and household rules
• 16:34 – 18:48 – Family structures, how upbringing and sibling closeness manifest
• 22:16 – 23:26 – COVID pregnancy stories, sibling age differences, bonding
• 23:26 – 28:11 – Sibling bonds, birth order, marriage, recreating childhood dynamics
• 34:06 – 38:38 – Mom dance party rituals, rediscovering dance and joy in mid-life
• 39:19 – 46:04 – "The Hunting Wives," Southern roles, character creation, line dancing
• 46:13 – 48:29 – Craft talk: strict vs. improvised scripts, group scenes
• 49:41 – 56:58 – Balancing motherhood and acting; Katie’s journey from nanny to series regular
• 56:09 – 59:20 – NYU Tisch, value of artistic education, theater as creative laboratory
• 57:12 – 59:01 – Oliver's stage fright and ambitions; Katie encourages first steps into theater

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Episode Takeaway

A candid, relatable exploration of the chaos and love of family—across generations, between siblings, and as parents. It’s a heartfelt, often hilarious, reflection on how family shapes us, why art and community matter, and why it’s never too late to try something new—whether that’s dancing at 40 or jumping onto the stage at 50.

Final Plug:

“Don’t forget, everybody, The Hunting Wives is streaming on Netflix. If you haven't heard of this or seen it yet, then you're way out of the loop…It’s fun, it’s dangerous, it’s salacious, it’s sexy, it's all of the things.” (59:22) – Oliver

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End of Content Summary

Transcript

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[Oliver Hudson]

Hi, I'm Kate Hudson and my name is Oliver Hudson.

[Katie Lowe]

We wanted to do something that highlighted.

[Oliver Hudson]

Our relationship and what it's like to be siblings.

[Guest or Additional Speaker]

We are.

[Oliver Hudson]

A sibling rivalry.

[Katie Lowe]

No, no.

[Oliver Hudson]

Sibling re for free.

[Katie Lowe]

Don't do that with your mouth.

[Oliver Hudson]

Sibling revelry.

[Katie Lowe]

That's good.

[Oliver Hudson]

Oliver Hudson here rocking a mustache, huh? I like it, and I don't even know why I like it. I think it gives me a little edge, little sense of danger, you know, a little sort of dirty sex appeal. And I never purposely shave a mustache. Meaning it's not something that, you know, I go, I'm like, I'm going to do a mustache and I'm going to really figure this out. It's more of when I shave my beard, which I just let grow and then I don't like and I get lazy and I just let it grow and I just. Then I shave and I'm just like, you know what? I'm just gonna try out this mustache. And then I try it out and like, hell yeah. And then I shower. And then I get to the shower and my wife and my daughter are like, no, especially my daughter. She goes, daddy, no. Go back in the bathroom and shave your mustache. She hates it. But I say real look. This is the sign of a real man. And if you want your daddy to be a real man, then you're going to embrace this mustache. So I've got the stash going. I got grays happening, which is fine. Sort of embracing the gray. Anyway, enough about me and my mustache. We have someone in the waiting room. The second person that I'm interviewing from the Hunting Wives, and she has done many, many, many, many more things. She was in Scandal. She is just a really amazing actress. And let's get into her life. Let's see if we can make her cry. Let's dig in. Bring on Katie Lowe's.

[Katie Lowe]

Hi.

[Oliver Hudson]

Oh, well, hello.

[Katie Lowe]

Well, hello there.

[Oliver Hudson]

How are you, love?

[Katie Lowe]

I'm good, love. How are you?

[Oliver Hudson]

Very good.

[Guest or Additional Speaker]

Oh, yeah.

[Oliver Hudson]

My gosh, I have the worst. My mouth. I mean, I, My kids, I've been cursing in front of my kids since day one. I, I drink in front of my kids, I smoke in front of my kid. I, I have a whole different way of parenting that may or may not work. So far it seems to be working because my kids are pretty awesome. But hey, we are a bit old school in that, hey, I'm gonna do me and I'm not gonna hide anything from you. This doesn't mean that you can just emulate me. This is not good for you. But I'm an adult.

[Katie Lowe]

And I'm making bad choices. My thing is not that cursing is a bad choice or drinking or something.

[Oliver Hudson]

No, no, no, no, no.

[Katie Lowe]

I don't give a. But I tell my kids, I go, you know what sucks? Is that in our house, I go, if you're over 18, you can curse when you're, you can decide what kind of language you want to use. But that's just not today. Now my kids are 4 and 7 and I do that only because I, I don't want to be, I don't want them to be saying fuck in front of four year olds and then aren't allowed to come over and have like a play date.

[Oliver Hudson]

Yeah, no, I know. I mean, that was the risk we took. But for whatever reason, they kind of understood that this is what we do and that. And they can't. I mean, My oldest is 18, I've got 15, and then I've got 12.

[Katie Lowe]

God. Great.

[Oliver Hudson]

Oh my God. Well, it's Dr. Diamond.

[Katie Lowe]

So hard. Like, I just have so much longer to go.

[Oliver Hudson]

Yeah.

[Katie Lowe]

Oh, I know. And everyone says, and I maybe you feel this way too, but I hear most of the time, like, just enjoy these times. Like, I know they are. It has gone fast, I will say. I mean, the beginning was really slow, but. But yeah, I, I feel like now I'm like, oh my God, he's eight and we're dealing with like second grade and it's already surpassed my math knowledge.

[Guest or Additional Speaker]

Like, yeah.

[Oliver Hudson]

Oh, gosh. That's a whole different ball game with the math, especially where they're in like eighth grade or seventh grade. They're like, dad, like, I need help. I'm like, I have no idea. Like, thank God for chat GPT at this point because, oh, yeah, I don't know what the hell I'm doing when my son, my son is 18. So you're getting ready for second grade. I'm getting ready for. And it's semi devastating.

[Katie Lowe]

And they're gonna leave. And like, now you're like, wait, I don't know. This is so. I mean, I left at 17 and never came home.

[Guest or Additional Speaker]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Katie Lowe]

And I'm so. I love my parents. Like, we're close and everything still tight. Oh, my God. I just talked to my mother before you got on.

[Guest or Additional Speaker]

Yeah.

[Katie Lowe]

And I was like, I mean, it's like 100 times a day. We're so close. And actually, I went to college like 18 miles from their house, but I still never went home.

[Oliver Hudson]

Oh, really? Well, that's the. Wilder is. My oldest is Wilder. Wilder is. He does not want to stay in California. Of course. We're like, look at Santa Barbara. It's great. You're only an hour and a half away. And he's like, dad, I want to get out. He either wants to do New York or Colorado. So he's deciding on.

[Katie Lowe]

So great.

[Oliver Hudson]

I know. He's deciding on whether he wants the college experience or sort of this.

[Katie Lowe]

The good news, I will say, is everyone I went to college with because I went to nyu who was Cali.

[Oliver Hudson]

That's where he wants to go to.

[Katie Lowe]

College in New York City. They all went back home to California and that. Stayed in California for college. Then they had to leave because they. They're gonna want to leave at some point.

[Oliver Hudson]

Yes.

[Guest or Additional Speaker]

Yes.

[Katie Lowe]

So I think your odds are better of them coming home and closer to you would be if they go away for college.

[Oliver Hudson]

I think you're right. And my entire family, myself, Kate Wyatt, Mom, Pa Boston, all. My whole family lives 10 minutes from each other still.

[Katie Lowe]

They're coming back.

[Oliver Hudson]

They are. And I think it's. We've just mirrored that. We've set that precedent to the. Where the kids are probably going to be like, well, you know, I kind of want to be home. I like this vibe, you know, that's. That's the wishful thinking.

[Katie Lowe]

Oh. My brother lives around the corner for me in L. A. Oh. Yeah. I'm like you. I'm so close with my. Oh. I mean.

[Guest or Additional Speaker]

Yeah.

[Katie Lowe]

Yeah. My brother and I, we're two years, nine months apart. And he. Four minutes from me in the Valley.

[Oliver Hudson]

Wow.

[Katie Lowe]

And the only time we didn't live near each other was college. And he. His two kids are my kids age. So we're only missing my parents. I have to, like, get them out there.

[Oliver Hudson]

Where. Where are your parents?

[Katie Lowe]

We grew up in New York, born and raised, work. And my parents Are hippies and moved to Vermont and. Amazing. My mom's a yoga teacher, My dad's a fashion photographer. And let me tell you, their quality of life in Vermont is better in a lot of ways than la. Only because they canoe and kayak and do all this outdoorsy shit.

[Guest or Additional Speaker]

Yeah.

[Katie Lowe]

However, their four grandchildren are in Los Angeles.

[Oliver Hudson]

I know, I know. Before we get into all that stuff, do they. Do they grow their own weed?

[Katie Lowe]

They don't, but they partake and all their friends do.

[Oliver Hudson]

Of course. I don't think you can live in that state without being like a blazer.

[Katie Lowe]

It's the fucking best. They don't grow it, they smoke it. My dad's not so much my mom, but my. You know, we all as. And I don't know how you do it in your family, but we had spent kind of old school New York. We always drank with my parents, which I thought, well, we always grew up with like, a ski house. My parents are really outdoor and just part of the ethos was like, they didn't care that we were, like, seen having a drink with. They just didn't care.

[Oliver Hudson]

Same. We're the same. We're the same way.

[Katie Lowe]

I thought it was so great. However, they really. We were those kids in high school and college hiding by the window, blowing weed out the window for some reason. And that wasn't allowed. And then on my mom's 60th birthday, my brother and I were like, I think we're done. I think we're ready to take our relationship with our parents to the next level and get fucking stoned.

[Guest or Additional Speaker]

Yeah.

[Katie Lowe]

And just. Let's just let it be known that we do this. They've always known we've done it. They do this. We always know they do it. Why is this? So we took my mom to Amsterdam for her birth six.

[Oliver Hudson]

Oh, my God.

[Katie Lowe]

And. And. And actually smoked the worst weed in the history of the world. Because in California and you go to Amsterdam.

[Guest or Additional Speaker]

Yeah.

[Katie Lowe]

You know, it's horrible. Like, we were all paranoid. I mean, I felt like I did in college. Like, just like. It was horrible. It was not great. Since then, we've corrected the experience.

[Guest or Additional Speaker]

Yeah.

[Katie Lowe]

I was over. And now it's great.

[Oliver Hudson]

It's. That's so fun. It's. It's just. It's fun. And again, you have to have the right family to be able to do that. You know, it's, you know, going back to the kids thing, my philosophy was, let's desensitize these fuckers before they get into the real world. Meaning, like, no, there's alcohol, there's weed. You can go do things. I'm gonna give you your independence. You know, there are certain things that I care about. There are certain things, you know, that I'm strict about. And it's mostly personality shit, but all the other stuff, the more you hold them back from the vices, from the things that we know they're going to do anyway, the more they're going to want to do them. And I've seen that in real life, you know, where these kids are so deprived of sugar or this or that, and, and they have such a craving and a ravenous desire to have all of it and consume, consume that. When they finally are 18 and they finally go to college, it's just like, ah. And then they're all fucked up.

[Guest or Additional Speaker]

Yeah.

[Katie Lowe]

My, my son's best friend's mom's a dentist, so they're not allowed any gummy candy. And I constantly open up my. And that kid is mainlining like eight packages of Welch's and my kids don't even care about it anymore. The only thing that's gonna be tricky is I think my. We've gotten anywhere near there yet. But my husband and I, I think we're, we're gonna feel differently. We've been together 19 years and he grew up in a very strict household. My house, as you could probably tell, like my mom rather have all the kids at our place, you know, growing up. Like, I rather have you guys under my roof. And I know what's going on anyway, that's like us.

[Oliver Hudson]

Yeah.

[Katie Lowe]

And also, you know, not now. Driving doesn't matter because you can. I know when I grew up, drunk driving was a huge problem. So we have like, you know, my dad said, you know, you get three get out of jail free cards in high school. You can call me anytime, day or night. I'll never ask. I'll pick you up. You can be completely inebriated. I will be so proud that you didn't, you didn't get in someone's car or something.

[Guest or Additional Speaker]

Yeah, yeah.

[Katie Lowe]

But my husband was like a total goody two shoes. It's like a late bloomer, you know, like partied in college and everything. But he really wasn't. His parents were not the ones that exposed him to any of that stuff. So I, I'm curious how this is gonna look when my kids are teenagers and he and I. It's nice that you guys are all in the same.

[Guest or Additional Speaker]

Yeah.

[Katie Lowe]

Same alignment on, like. Because my husband will look at me and I'll say, for my kids And I don't be like, katie, yeah. I'm like, watch the potty mouth. Once. My mother is his grandmother as bad as I am.

[Guest or Additional Speaker]

Yeah.

[Katie Lowe]

You know?

[Guest or Additional Speaker]

Yeah.

[Katie Lowe]

And his parents are, like, very proper, so.

[Guest or Additional Speaker]

Yeah.

[Oliver Hudson]

How was that integration when you guys met? Well, was there stress around it or no?

[Katie Lowe]

Well, actually, he would say he almost didn't date me because he thought it was not very attractive. How foul my mouth.

[Oliver Hudson]

No way. Really?

[Katie Lowe]

Yeah, he thought it was like, a little too much. And then he wised up and he came over to the dark side, and now he speaks just like.

[Oliver Hudson]

Yeah, it's more fun.

[Katie Lowe]

I mean, but it does come out like he's still a little skittish in front of the kids, which I hadn't seen. You know, like, he's sort of changed and started letting go about it. Yeah.

[Oliver Hudson]

But it's a good balance, you know what I mean? Because my wife and I maybe were two free for alls. And it's like, okay, now you're off the fudgeing rails. At least there is some structure. There is some sensibility where it's like, oh, mom's little nutty. She does her thing. And yeah, Dad's fun too, but he sort of holds that structure and he sort of holds the line a little bit. And then DNA is crazy.

[Katie Lowe]

Also, look at the family you grew up in. You're around.

[Guest or Additional Speaker]

Yeah, yeah.

[Katie Lowe]

Non traditional.

[Oliver Hudson]

Very.

[Katie Lowe]

People in their business, in. In their day to day, you know, Like, I. My parents were always arty, like.

[Guest or Additional Speaker]

Yeah.

[Katie Lowe]

And my husband's parents are schoolteachers for 55 years. So it's like, right. No. You have three kids? Three.

[Oliver Hudson]

I have three.

[Guest or Additional Speaker]

Yeah.

[Oliver Hudson]

I have three.

[Katie Lowe]

Oh, I.

[Oliver Hudson]

Two boys and my little girl.

[Katie Lowe]

Oh, I couldn't go. We did two, and I was like, I'm out.

[Oliver Hudson]

Do you have boy, girl?

[Katie Lowe]

I have an older boy and a younger girl.

[Oliver Hudson]

Yeah. See, we had two boys, and then it was kind of a little wait period, and it was like, are we done? And I was just like, I want a girl. I really did. I wanted a boy first. And I made no bones about it. This whole thing of like, I just want them to be healthy. Of course we do.

[Katie Lowe]

No, I wanted a girl.

[Oliver Hudson]

We all have a choice. We all. We all have a. There's no world where we don't have that thing.

[Katie Lowe]

Yeah.

[Oliver Hudson]

And I was vocal about it. I'm pretty transparent, unfiltered. And I was like, I want a boy because I want to get it out of the way. I want a boy. And then I can have 800 girls. And we didn't find out the sex of the kids, so. Oh, it was amazing. I mean, it was just the greatest surprise. It was the last sort of great secret of humanity, you know what I mean?

[Katie Lowe]

Yeah.

[Oliver Hudson]

And. And when W. Wilder came out and I saw his, like, super red balls and his tiny peen, I was just like, you hear me on the camera? And my voice goes up like a hundred octaves. I'm like, is that boy? I start, like, losing it, you know? But then I wanted the girl. I wanted the girl.

[Katie Lowe]

Why do you want the boy first? What's your order as how you grew up?

[Oliver Hudson]

I'm the oldest, then Kate, so older boy, younger girl. The older boy, younger girl. And then Wyatt is half. But, you know, and then he came in 10 years later. Ten years later, you know, so that was kind of the order. I just wanted the boy because I knew I wanted a boy. I didn't want to have, like, two girls, and I'm like, oh, shit, here we go. Like, you know, I wanted a boy, and so I wanted to get him out of the way.

[Katie Lowe]

And I think it's like a 70% chance. Most people who have the first two the same.

[Oliver Hudson]

Yes.

[Katie Lowe]

Third is like a 70% chance it's going to be the same.

[Oliver Hudson]

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[Katie Lowe]

It was Covid and it was a freaking nightmare.

[Oliver Hudson]

Oh gosh.

[Katie Lowe]

I got pregnant a week after shutdown. Like shutdown was March 13th and then March 18th. I took a pregnancy test and I was like, like oh. I mean it was cool because I just spent my entire pregnancy home and alone.

[Oliver Hudson]

But pretty cool. Pretty. That's cool.

[Katie Lowe]

And not having to do work.

[Oliver Hudson]

Yeah, it's great.

[Guest or Additional Speaker]

Yeah.

[Katie Lowe]

But also terrified in that like every day it was like your person's not allowed in the room. This doesn't. I know penises. It doesn't. Anyway, I just opened up an email said it was a girl and I've never Been so happy. And I love. I do. My. My older boy is such a good big brother. Like, really?

[Guest or Additional Speaker]

Yeah.

[Katie Lowe]

Taking it like this is the first year they're at the same school.

[Guest or Additional Speaker]

Yeah.

[Katie Lowe]

And he's, like, hugging her and telling her to have a good day, and I can't wait to see you on the yard. And, like, he's just doing stuff that is. I hope it sticks. And I used to ask, like, go around and ask people, how many years are between you two? Are you close with your sibling? Like, why you're closer to your sibling? And there's no know, like, only people who are two years apart, only people who are five years apart. It's not. It's really.

[Oliver Hudson]

It's funny. What determines it? I don't know. You know, obviously, the show's called Sibling Revelry, so we've talked to a ton of siblings, and it's pretty incredible, actually, how everyone's stories are so different and we all have a different perspective on how we were raised, even though we were raised by the same people. Even if it's two years and nine months apart, your idea of who your parents are might differ from what your sibling thinks, because even though you were raised similarly, there are differences there. And we can't deny our own DNA and genetics and the way we perceive things, because we are humans. Right. And, you know, where one person might hate, have hated their father, the other one says, I don't get it. I fucking love dad. You know?

[Katie Lowe]

Right.

[Oliver Hudson]

Wow, it's so interesting. Oh, so, so many, so many times.

[Katie Lowe]

Many of the siblings say, like, it was mandatory in our family, that we, like, had each other's backs or we were each other's people, like, person. Is there a lot of that or not even?

[Oliver Hudson]

Well, it's funny because I try to instill that I think that every family would want that. At the same time, our individuality doesn't necessarily allow us to just be that all the time, because who knows what some external circumstances are going on in our lives that don't, you know, allow us to always have their back. Like my sister, she wanted my back, you know, she wanted me to have her back. She wanted my love so badly because I was the only sort of real male, even though I was older. I was a. I was a kid, but dad had bailed, you know, and Kurt was in our lives, but, you know, he was stepdad at the time, and she needed that. But I was going through my own shit as a little boy who's a product of divorce. Yeah, I couldn't Give her anything. In fact, I. She repelled me in a way. I was kind of like, I didn't. You know, I just. I needed to deal with my own right. And it's sad now to think about. We talk about it all the time. But of course, we've become best friends.

[Katie Lowe]

Yeah.

[Oliver Hudson]

You know, but I say that to my kids. I'm like, you're all you got, you know, I'm like, I just. You gotta love each other.

[Katie Lowe]

I do the same. I do. Like, do you see this person? This is the person. Like I. You. Sometimes I say, I'm like, you know, I felt like there were a lot of moms that were pregnant when I was pregnant. They were like. Felt bad about it. They were like, I just feel bad that I'm gonna be adding a person to the family that's taking away attention from the other one. I was like, are you kidding? I'm doing this as a gift myself through this again.

[Guest or Additional Speaker]

Yeah.

[Katie Lowe]

Because I don't want him to be by himself alone. Like.

[Oliver Hudson]

Yes.

[Katie Lowe]

So I've met some phenomenal Only children. That's. That. There's nothing against that. I just.

[Oliver Hudson]

No, not at.

[Katie Lowe]

I love having a brother.

[Oliver Hudson]

Of course. It's a whole thing. And that's. That's what we're finding out too, is, is siblings are. Siblings are closer than. Than they are with their own parents, essentially, because they can confide in each other. They're in each other's space all the time. They most likely sleep together for the first years of their lives. Like we are in our siblings lives more than maybe we want to be. So that relationship can be extremely bonding and strong, or it can go the other way. Of course. You know, watching my kids grow up, it's just so interesting to watch these sort of see these transitions. You know, we're wilder. My oldest was. I wanted to get tattooed on myself. Can you cuddle? Because all he wanted to do was cuddle and be in my bed. And now he's 18, and I can barely touch him without him flinching. I'm like, yo, what's wrong with you? Like, love me, God damn it. You know what I mean? I'm like, do you know who you were just seven years ago? What is going on?

[Katie Lowe]

You know?

[Oliver Hudson]

And then I watch him with Rio, my youngest daughter, and I want him to love her more and protect her more, but he fucks with her as a brother would, you know? Yeah, I know. I know. And. And all I can do is get in their ear and that's it. Because we have to Let them individuate. We have to let them be who they are, you know?

[Katie Lowe]

Do you believe in birth order? Like, do you think there's a real.

[Oliver Hudson]

We had a birth order expert on the podcast who wrote books and it was pret. Fascinating, actually.

[Katie Lowe]

I think that is the realest shit ever.

[Oliver Hudson]

Did they say is the realest shit.

[Katie Lowe]

You end up like. Like, I'm. I'm the oldest, but I married a youngest. Like, a lot of people end up recreating.

[Oliver Hudson]

Right.

[Katie Lowe]

Order in some relation to the birth order they grew up in, whether they're re creating it again or like, rebelling against it. But like, if you think about the couples in your life, a lot of people.

[Guest or Additional Speaker]

Yeah.

[Katie Lowe]

Aren't like older to older or younger to younger or whatever. What are you.

[Oliver Hudson]

Yeah, that's interesting. Well, I married. Aaron is almost four years older than me.

[Katie Lowe]

Is she a sibling, though?

[Oliver Hudson]

She's the oldest.

[Katie Lowe]

And you're the oldest.

[Oliver Hudson]

I'm the oldest.

[Katie Lowe]

So you have two olders, which is very interesting. Do you guys. Are you both really, like, responsible, like, type A, like, want to get it all?

[Oliver Hudson]

She is.

[Katie Lowe]

Okay.

[Oliver Hudson]

She is, she is. But she also is like add, which I just discovered. I do too. I did discover brain scan with this guy, Dr. Amen, and it's was amazing. It was three days injecting, like, literally radioactive material in your body, but it's safe. And he has this scanner. You can google him. He's like, incredible. He was on my podcast.

[Guest or Additional Speaker]

Yeah.

[Oliver Hudson]

And you go through this process and he can map out your brain, see your brain. There's holes in your brain of where you've had trauma, whether it be, you know, physical trauma, emotional trauma. And then he can really see the ADHD brain because there's actual physical holes in it, even though they're not actual holes, but that's what they sort of come out as. And. And I've always kind of known it. And he's like, yeah, you. As you have add, I'm like, I.

[Katie Lowe]

Know my husband had really bad.

[Oliver Hudson]

I just. I just like, put this patch on. I'm starting this, like, weird medication that's like only four and a half milligrams just to see if this works.

[Katie Lowe]

You know, Is it like an adder? Like my. He would do so well if he could. Like, my husband's ADHD is. Is.

[Guest or Additional Speaker]

Yeah.

[Katie Lowe]

Not great. But he tried things to help focusing and help all of that. And he always has, like, horrible side effects. So he's not on anything. My husband and I balance each other out because he's like, just fucking fall ass backwards into like non scheduled day. And I'm like, what is that? I've never heard of that.

[Oliver Hudson]

I'm like your husband. You're probably like my wife. I'm the same thing. I hate schedules. I hate plans. I hate it. Every plan that we make. Or even a week out, when the day comes around, I'm like, like, I don't want to do that. And now I'm locked in.

[Katie Lowe]

Oh, God.

[Oliver Hudson]

And I. I've done it, right? I've established myself amongst my friends and peers that this is who I am. So you. No need to get offended.

[Katie Lowe]

Precedent where no need to get offended. Bail just because I don't want to. Yeah, I don't want to.

[Oliver Hudson]

Yeah. So what, do you want to do this on Thursday? I'm like, yeah, maybe. I don't know. We'll just like, we'll figure it out. Like, that's going to be on my headstone. We'll figure it out.

[Katie Lowe]

Figure it out.

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[Katie Lowe]

I have this thing that happened last year. It was a mom group that on the west side that rents like a club that only plays 90s and 2000s music.

[Oliver Hudson]

Yeah like hip hop and yeah, it's.

[Katie Lowe]

Only women and it starts at 6 6:30 and and it's a complete wrap by 9:30.

[Oliver Hudson]

That is amazing and hysterical all at the same time.

[Katie Lowe]

It's like mostly moms. Yeah, it's really great because you can like put your drink down anywhere. You can wear absolute garbage sweatpants. Yeah like whatever. Nobody's just up. Nobody has makeup on. Like nobody tried. I've never been at a line at a bar at 6:30 with just like all tired moms danced so hard.

[Oliver Hudson]

Wait a minute. Is this, is this a place or is this something that you do? You rent out a spot, they rent it out.

[Katie Lowe]

It's a mom group Friends of mine that they rent it out.

[Oliver Hudson]

How often does this happen?

[Katie Lowe]

It's like once a year. And it's two nights before my birthday this year. And I'm not that big of a birthday person either. But I was like, what? I'm coming from the Valley.

[Guest or Additional Speaker]

Yeah.

[Katie Lowe]

They're on the west side. So I'm getting a party bus.

[Guest or Additional Speaker]

Yeah.

[Oliver Hudson]

This is so great.

[Katie Lowe]

I'll be home in bed asleep by 10.

[Oliver Hudson]

This is so great.

[Katie Lowe]

And it's the best. You dance with like old school record bandon of like how many women are there? Oh, it's probably like 300.

[Oliver Hudson]

Holy fuck. So this is a. This is like a public party that you can go to?

[Katie Lowe]

Well, no, it's only like underground. Like word of mouth moms.

[Oliver Hudson]

Oh my God.

[Katie Lowe]

And it was really fun last year. Like each mom group, there were so many textings. Like, have you heard? Have you heard? Like it's happening again.

[Guest or Additional Speaker]

Yeah.

[Katie Lowe]

And like each like this is what the Santa Monica moms did. This is what the Valley moms did. This is what the Beverly Hills. I mean look, it's. No one's fancy by any stretch. It's like very, very down.

[Oliver Hudson]

I feel like this needs to be something like either like a short form documentary or centered around some sort of crazy you comedy. Like a like a bridesmaid style comedy centered around this.

[Katie Lowe]

Like it is fun. It is fun to like not worry about.

[Guest or Additional Speaker]

Yeah.

[Katie Lowe]

Like no one's worried about their drinks or getting too drunk.

[Guest or Additional Speaker]

Yeah.

[Katie Lowe]

Told themselves or like, you know, feeling like they have to be like sexy when they dance. I'm not that anyone feels that way anyway. But it does change the vibe when like there are no dudes there.

[Guest or Additional Speaker]

Yeah.

[Oliver Hudson]

Are men and women just so funny? And what a different species we actually are. Imagine if I had a middle aged 300 person dance party for only dudes. I mean just picture the scene. It would. It would not go well. I don't know if anyone would even dance. It would just be like, dude, no.

[Katie Lowe]

They feel so uncomfortable. I think they would feel really weird. No, I mean, I don't know. Like my brother and my husband love to dance. Like they're me too. At a wedding like that they that that get such a. I mean honestly, y' all should try it.

[Oliver Hudson]

I used to have a dance crew called the Rice Krispies. Snap, Crackle and Pop. So I was in high school. Like I loved to dance. Like I was like practicing in the week. This guy Logic was my coach. I was doing floor work and I mean I was heavy, heavy into the 90s hip hop scene.

[Katie Lowe]

Do we get a revival of snap, crackle pop?

[Oliver Hudson]

I think so.

[Katie Lowe]

Yeah, I think so. I mean like hip hop. Like hip hop.

[Oliver Hudson]

Oh yes.

[Guest or Additional Speaker]

Yeah.

[Oliver Hudson]

I mean it wasn't choreography. It's more of like freestyle white boy, Pacific Palisades dancing, you know.

[Katie Lowe]

Wow. Well, I think dance is good. I mean, I've reintroduced dance as a 40 year old woman. I go to like dance classes now just like. Because I honestly, I fucking hate working out and that's fun and I like that I have to try to remember steps. I feel like that's good.

[Oliver Hudson]

Good for your brain.

[Guest or Additional Speaker]

Yeah.

[Katie Lowe]

And I don't know, I sort of feel, I don't know, maybe turning 42, 43. Like I feel I actually like odd. And I think it's from having kids and like raising them with my brother and my husband. But like I just feel like better about like almost like my body and moving than I ever did in my 20s.

[Oliver Hudson]

Yeah, 100%. My mom, you know, my mom's a dancer. That's what she wanted to be and she became Goldie. But like she was a dancer. That's what she did. That's what she wanted to do. She taught little girls ballet. At 18 years old in New York City all by herself. She's got the most amazing stories you could possibly imagine of coming up and how she made it. It's unbelievable. My sister was an amazing dancer. My daughter right now is, is on her first dance team. So she's dancing like seven days a week. And she's beautiful, like, like just a beautiful dancer. Incredible.

[Katie Lowe]

Dance is so great. I've like rediscovered it. I'm so into it. I'm like, I'll shake it with anybody now. Oh yeah. What was weird? I'm on this show right now.

[Oliver Hudson]

I know. I want to talk to you about it. I just had Chrissy on too.

[Katie Lowe]

You did?

[Guest or Additional Speaker]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Oliver Hudson]

And we've been. And my wife and I have been watching it. We're like four episodes in. I know what goes down though, because I wanted to, you know, talk to you all about it.

[Katie Lowe]

But like Brian.

[Guest or Additional Speaker]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Oliver Hudson]

Because I know you, you're not a. You don't care about spoilers and shit, right? Yeah, I don't give a. But it is, it's fun, man.

[Katie Lowe]

It's fun. But we danced a lot on that show. A kind of dance I'd never done, which was. I've never spent time in the South. I never. And we went honky tonk line dancing most weekends when we were shooting that show there was a bar that's in the first episode called Coyote Joe's. That's in Charlotte. It's about a 500 person dance floor.

[Guest or Additional Speaker]

Wow.

[Katie Lowe]

Get there from like 6 to 8 and you learn the. And then at 8 o', clock, like if everyone's going right and you're going left, you're getting trampled. Like it crazy.

[Oliver Hudson]

Yeah.

[Katie Lowe]

So fun. And a type of dance. I've never. I've never been like a. No girl.

[Guest or Additional Speaker]

Yeah.

[Katie Lowe]

Human being.

[Guest or Additional Speaker]

Yeah.

[Katie Lowe]

And I just got into it, so the whole cast, we went time. I didn't really get it until I saw the first few episodes and I was like, holy shit. Like, you know, I was just like out to lunch being my like unhinged self.

[Oliver Hudson]

You're so funny.

[Katie Lowe]

I had landed like a pig and shit. Like, I was like, you know, my mother talks like this. Like third generation queens. Like, the fact that, you know, it's hard. I think I feel like I book a lot of things. I don't know if you feel this way too, that where people are like, you are the person or it's a.

[Oliver Hudson]

Version of you 100% when someone's going.

[Katie Lowe]

To trust you and say like, oh, no, no. I want you to be a East Texas preacher's wife with high hair and accent and shoot guns and shit. I was like, me, okay. Like, that's the best. Like, I felt like I was like back.

[Oliver Hudson]

So fun.

[Katie Lowe]

Yeah. Doing campy. Like, you know, I was a theater nerd. I'm a big theater kid. And. And I never even thought I was going to move to la. I told my mom, I said, I didn't even take driver's ed. I said, why? I'm living in New York City for the rest of my life. I'm only doing theater. I'm never ever. So when I. I think the show was so fun because we just got to be like kind of like unapologetically, like, loud about it.

[Guest or Additional Speaker]

Yeah.

[Katie Lowe]

Like, that's how it felt when we were in there.

[Oliver Hudson]

No, I know. Well, I was gonna ask you about that because first of all, you come on the screen. I know you from your other work, but I've been watching you and you come on. I'm like, like, holy. Is this. Do I have the right person on right now? Like, yeah, you get the New York vibe. You know, you're the city girl. Like, you know, it's. It's funny to see. So when you're creating that character and I'm interested in this just even as an actor and you make the Choice to sort of present this person like that and, and go big. Right. And really be out there. Did you, you, were you nervous about that or did you have to sort of perform it a little bit and understand sort of what it was? Did it just come out of you? Did you work with creators on saying this is kind of what I'm vibing on, this is what I'm feeling.

[Katie Lowe]

Well, you know what's funny? I, I audition for everything. Like I'm so glad there's actors that get like offers and shit. But actually, and I actually like auditioning because I feel like we've agreed upon in a way what my take is 100% on a basic level.

[Guest or Additional Speaker]

Yeah.

[Katie Lowe]

When I auditioned, I auditioned for a different role, Cali, because you know, I didn't want to die. Yeah, it was a one year deal. This was like our first auditions out of the strike. And so my whole team was like, well you should probably go for the one that's like going to be on for seasons. So I auditioned for Cali, but I read the pilot and I was like, oh fuck, I'm a Jill. I'm such a Jill. I know I'm a Jill. I could do Jill if they let me do it. And they called right after and they were like, we really like our Cali, but will she retape for Jill? And it sort of took, I teased my hair, I looked at you know, like Joel Osteen, like famous creatures, what their wives are like, what they dress like, what, what you know, you know, what, what a sort of clutching your pearls higher, the hair closer to God type vibe would be. And I just, I back teased the out of my hair. I put on the southern accent. I could dressed kind of primly and like, and then I was like, I get this. And then we were just, they, they, they agreed, like it was like we were there. Sort of took care of itself oddly on I, I, I've worked in Shondaland for like 15 years and all shows I've done there, she's word perfect. And yeah, that script is Bible. You got it.

[Oliver Hudson]

That is scary to me. I am a very free form actor where I like to improv or throw shit around or that would be so scary to be like, you have to work.

[Katie Lowe]

That is not like I remember the first like few episodes of Scandal. Like she just was like, Shonda was like, what you say is up to me. How you say it is up to you, but like full stop, that's it. And this was the first show I've been on That I can really remember where Rebecca. You know, we would get takes that were how it, like you're saying how it was on the page. But a lot of those like hunting wife scenes where all the wives are there and we're drinking mimosas.

[Oliver Hudson]

Yes.

[Katie Lowe]

Bloody Mary's. And everyone's kind of got their part. There's like the one who always says the most brash thing. Or I'm always like, oh my God, don't say a bad word. And sexy as hell. Like everyone's got their lane. But. Yes, but the, but the, but the group energy is bigger than any one of us combined. And we improv the shit out of those scenes. A living, breathing thing. And I had never done that. And I thought it was the best.

[Oliver Hudson]

So fun, so fun.

[Katie Lowe]

I mean you go into like a fugue state. Like you're just so like really alive and.

[Guest or Additional Speaker]

Yeah.

[Katie Lowe]

And it was really, really fun. And I've gotten now to do like Scandalhead guys, but inventing Anna too. Like, I've done a few shows now where it's a lot of like women in scenes and I'm very like, it's just a blast. Like it's just like on the dance floor in Santa Monica. My birthday.

[Oliver Hudson]

Exactly. With Shonda though, like can you say or ifs or nothing at all? Like it has to be bang, bang, bang.

[Katie Lowe]

Yeah.

[Oliver Hudson]

And, and when you, does she correct you? Because I'm sure it happens all the time where actors come in and add little things. Not, not improving lines, but it's just saying something like that.

[Katie Lowe]

So the script supervisor would come in immediately and even like guest stars would know pretty quick. Like that doesn't happen here. Scandal was a specific case because we had something called scandal pace where 42 minute show. We had 90 page scripts. So she was like, we don't have time. The style of this show is, you know, she was, she was, I mean, you know, she loved West Wing, she loved Sorkin. So like was going for a vibe where there was no time for fumbling words or leaving space to think. Like, and thank God our casting director because it's not something that all actors thrive in. Just like how I wouldn't thrive in like always killing amazing improv buttons. Like that's not my jam. Like I, I, I thrived in a really calculated script environment. Like that reminds me of like theater school or something. No, they. And the casting director did a great job because she, I think threw a lot of actors in there. That is that they are good at that.

[Guest or Additional Speaker]

Yeah.

[Katie Lowe]

Like the Josh Molina is the you know, the people, they were like, that's what. They talk really fast. They don't. Don't make stuff up. There's no ands or us or none of that.

[Guest or Additional Speaker]

Yeah.

[Oliver Hudson]

Oh, God.

[Katie Lowe]

But then you get in a set where that's the skill, and I have to say, I was like, oh. Like, I, you know, muscle. I was like, oh, my God. I don't. Like, first of all, I better be saying correct things like, I don't know, come from a place of like, bless her heart. Like, that doesn't roll off mine.

[Oliver Hudson]

Right, right.

[Katie Lowe]

They got a couple of the wives are actually from Texas, and I. I kind of use them dramaturgically. Like, I was like, what would a preacher's wife, like, say? Like, what would be things? So I can keep them in my arsenal of like. Because I don't, you know, you know, if I was here and I'd be like, you know, you, whatever, like, that's fine, but I can't do.

[Oliver Hudson]

No, no. It'd be weird to break into that.

[Katie Lowe]

Yeah. Like, I'm, like, improvising as a preacher's wife.

[Oliver Hudson]

Yeah. Oh, it's so fun.

[Katie Lowe]

Really fun. It was really, really fun. We had the best time. We all lived in Charlotte. It was the first time I'd ever left my kids.

[Oliver Hudson]

How was that, by the way? Because that's such a huge part of my career. My life, or lack of career in some instances, because they played such a big part in me working and where I was working and how long I was working.

[Katie Lowe]

Yeah, it was really. This was the first time. My kids are so young that I've taken them everywhere.

[Oliver Hudson]

Exactly.

[Katie Lowe]

And amazingly have been wildly supported with my previous bosses of, like, helping us find locations for nannies and help and my husband coming and. And that's how we've always rocked it. And then this, like, they. Everyone told me they're gonna get in school and you're not gonna be able to take them out. And that's, you know, like. And that's sort of what happened. I knew this was a finite job. It was four or five months in Charlotte and that Jill was gonna die. And, like, so I didn't need to, like. And I didn't really want to move my family to Charlotte. So this was the time I, you know, I did like 13 round trip flights in.

[Oliver Hudson]

I know, I know. It's so crazy.

[Katie Lowe]

It's so crazy, but. And I had so much anxiety about it and being a bad mom and.

[Oliver Hudson]

Like, I had to go back on Lexapro after I did Nashville or In the middle of doing Nashville, I did Nashville show called Nashville in Nashville and with Connie Britton. You did?

[Katie Lowe]

I was her babysitter for a while. She's a dear friend of mine.

[Oliver Hudson]

Oh, I love Connie.

[Katie Lowe]

She's the best. I was supposed to be. She was the one I had had every side job. I worked at this restaurant called Ammo for years and years and years.

[Oliver Hudson]

Oh, my God, I loved Ammo.

[Katie Lowe]

It was the island.

[Guest or Additional Speaker]

Yeah, yeah.

[Katie Lowe]

Yes, I'm sure. I waited on you. Family ever used them for catering? I probably been in your homes.

[Oliver Hudson]

That's so funny.

[Katie Lowe]

I ran their catering department. I catered all their weddings. But I also was a waitress there for years and years and I was a babysitter and a nanny and a bartender, all the jobs. But I always said I was never going to be a personal assistant because I just. That's now crossing another line where, like, somebody's life and passions has to sort of be more your own. The only person I said I'd do it for was Connie Britton because we lived up the street and I was like, like, she's the best actress in the world and maybe I can learn something and. And someone will give me a shot at this. We met for like three or four hours, and she called me a few days later and she said, you know, Katie, I was scrolling the channels, which we used to do back in the day, and I came across you as a guest star on Private Practice. And I don't think you should be. Be my personal assistant. I think should try one more pilot season. Come babysit for me, you know, on like a few days a week, and let's see what happens. And the next week, I booked Scandal.

[Oliver Hudson]

How old were you when you booked scandal?

[Katie Lowe]

28.

[Oliver Hudson]

And how long were you in LA? Trying to make it happen.

[Katie Lowe]

I moved to LA when I was 24, but I had already been auditioning in New York since I was 20, so it took like eight years of. I mean, I'd been acting my whole life, but I didn't do it professionally till I was 20. But then I saw the best part was like, Nashville was ABC and Scanner was abc. So I always see her out on red carpet events and she would just be like, I knew it. Like, you were gonna get a job. Like you got a job.

[Oliver Hudson]

Yeah, that's pretty cool. You love performing. It was just everything that you wanted to do.

[Katie Lowe]

And my brother was like the sports guy. Like, he really, like, you know, lacrosse, football. He was in band, and we were always really close. I think it helped that we were so drastically different. Like, he came to all of my shows, which got really weird in college. Cause I went to Tisch School of the Arts. And every fucking show we were naked and gyrating on each other and God knows what else.

[Oliver Hudson]

My nephew's at Tish right now. Katie's Kate. My son's Kate's kid.

[Katie Lowe]

Oh, really? Oh, my God.

[Oliver Hudson]

And then he has a friend. He has a friend who is there, too, who is in, I don't know, the schools, but a certain school.

[Katie Lowe]

Yeah.

[Oliver Hudson]

And she had to get out because. No, because she was like, this is too crazy experimental theater way. I don't know. But. But especially in today's age, there's people rolling around in, like, you know, furry outfits, like dragging a litter box behind them, you know? And it's just cool, right? She's just like, okay, I want to be an actor. This is not what I need to do.

[Katie Lowe]

Yes. My parents would come, and my little brother and I went to all of his sport things. Don't understand them. But it was understood that you supported your other person's past.

[Oliver Hudson]

Sure.

[Katie Lowe]

Full stop. I think it was helpful that we were really different. But in college, I remember I did one play where someone. Someone like I bare my chest, someone feels them, and then someone is like, masturbating in like, a plastic.

[Oliver Hudson]

Oh, my God. And this is what.

[Katie Lowe]

They're close.

[Oliver Hudson]

This is what your brother has to go watch.

[Katie Lowe]

Not only that, but in like a 30 seat black box theater where it's not even like a proscenium, where there's any difference between the audience and the lights are on because the audience feel fucking uncomfortable. I will have you know this play is called Beirut. It happened off Broadway. Marisa Tomei was in it, so it's like, legit.

[Oliver Hudson]

Okay.

[Katie Lowe]

It was directed by Leslie Headland, who is become a. She's a big Janicza Bravo. Who's another. Like, all these people have. But my brother sat there, turned completely green. My parents were like, we miss you doing the musicals with your clothes on. I'm like, I am a serious dramatic actress now. I don't know if you knew, but I am an artist. I wanted that. And that involves nudity and ridiculous, ridiculous behavior. My. But you know what? That was important because.

[Oliver Hudson]

Well, I was gonna ask you this. And this is leading into that.

[Katie Lowe]

Please.

[Oliver Hudson]

Did Tish going to such a revered place? I mean, this is the spot to go.

[Katie Lowe]

Yeah.

[Oliver Hudson]

Did it make you a good actor? Did it actually make you a good actor? Or did it just sort of like open you up to experiences you have, relationships, you know, you met people.

[Katie Lowe]

Best four years of my life.

[Oliver Hudson]

Okay.

[Katie Lowe]

For all reasons I think pushing, I think Tish is what you make of it. I think if you are like, I sucked that school for every morsel I could. I was in a million plays. I made a million connections of friends that are still my dearest closest friends today. Started a theater company in LA 18 years ago with all my best friends from Tisch School the arts. We had two shows on Broadway last year. So awesome. Me, but I am like a, like a, you know, I was very aware of like make the most of it. There were a lot of kids, kids that didn't do plays or didn't audition for the plays. They just did the classes and learned other great things. Like I never, I'm never gonna say that an acting education is not something that you can use in a lot of different things. And a lot.

[Oliver Hudson]

Of course, because acting is about experience. You know, it's not just about delivering a line. And there's so many confidence, exploration and, and nudity.

[Katie Lowe]

And so much nudity.

[Oliver Hudson]

So much nudity.

[Katie Lowe]

But all that exploration was so important because I kind of got it done in college and then like when I graduated I wasn'. Wasn't, I didn't need to do like I was really ready for like professional life. Like I felt like I sort of explored all those avenues where you're like an 18 to 20 year old artist thinking that you are going to change the world with shitty downtown theater. Like that was an important part of like me failing, I think or me figuring it out, you know.

[Oliver Hudson]

Yeah, it's what you put into it. Like you said, like you went all, you went all in and you got a lot out of it.

[Katie Lowe]

I got so much out of it. I loved it so, so, so much. My best friends are still from there.

[Oliver Hudson]

Well, I love that you started a theater company. That's cool. You know, I've never done a play or been on stage doing a play or musical in my life.

[Katie Lowe]

Come do theater with us.

[Oliver Hudson]

Well, this is what I'm saying. So there's a part of me now that almost turning 50 where I feel like I'm ready because I was so afraid of it. I love being in front of people. I love making people laugh. I'm, you know, I, I can feed off of that energy. The thing that scared me the most was forgetting lines and completely looking like an. Like that part to me was the most I was most afraid of. But I've been talking to my agents. Even I'm Like, I know this is crazy, but like I feel like I want to do a play and I don't know what play.

[Katie Lowe]

It's the fucking best.

[Oliver Hudson]

I want to try it.

[Katie Lowe]

Fucking forget your lines because you've never done something that had a four week rehearsal.

[Oliver Hudson]

No.

[Guest or Additional Speaker]

Yeah.

[Katie Lowe]

By the time you get up there, you are good to go your shit backwards and forwards and it's all about fucking around in the min. In like the nuances and the minutes. Like it's you. I think you would love it because you're really. First of all, the other most inspiring thing about theater is I went to Greece this year for this.

[Oliver Hudson]

I was in Greece too. You were? Yeah, in June, mid June. It was amazing. Amazing.

[Katie Lowe]

This was like sitting at the theater of Dionysus. 3,900-year-old wow. And it's like this is. Stands the test of time. People standing up in a live way telling stories and that is like. Yeah, there's nothing. I mean I don't think there's anything. I think that is the, the sickest high when you walk off a stage and you just. It's the.

[Oliver Hudson]

Oh yeah, yeah.

[Katie Lowe]

But also it's the thing about like you're so good at like control. Like you will be able to feed off of laughter and like all that stuff. It's immediate.

[Oliver Hudson]

Like I. Oh God, I love that so much.

[Katie Lowe]

American film and TV where I'm like, did it. Did somebody get moot? Like, because you know, you know in the theater, you know when they have palm in their hand and people are listening and you get your. Or you know when they've sat back. You also know when they've fallen asleep. Know it all.

[Oliver Hudson]

I love that stuff though.

[Katie Lowe]

This was such a blast.

[Oliver Hudson]

It was so much fun. And don't forget, everybody, the Hunting Wives is streaming on Netflix. If you haven't heard of this or seen it yet, then you're way out of the loop. You must check it out. It's fun, it's dangerous, it's salacious, it's sexy. It's all of the thing.

[Katie Lowe]

So much for having me on.

[Oliver Hudson]

This was so fun. Thank you for playing around. This was the best. Bye bye.

[Katie Lowe]

Bye bye.

[Oliver Hudson]

I think she might be my new best friend. She's so great. Her energy's so great. And it's so funny because I've been watching the Hunting Wives and. And I had this idea of who she was and she's so done up and her hair is huge and her makeup is thick and then she comes on, I'm like, oh shit. Very cool. Very cool. Very cool. And then maybe do you know what's fun about doing these fucking podcasts is that you never know, of course, who you're going to meet and what kind of connection you're going to have. Let's just hypothetically say we do connect and she sends me a play and I audition or whatever and I end up doing a play, which is something that I've never done in my life. And then let's just say I'm good in it. And then let's just say it goes to Broadway. And then let's just say I win a Tony. This all could happen, you guys. So I might win a Tony is what I'm trying to say. There's a very good chance that I win a Tony. Anyway, I'm out. I gotta go. Bye.

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[Katie Lowe]

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