If You Do THIS, You’ve Given Up…with Mel Robbins: Part 2

Summary

Sibling Revelry with Kate Hudson and Oliver Hudson

Episode: "If You Do THIS, You’ve Given Up…with Mel Robbins: Part 2"

Date: November 6, 2025
Guests: Mel Robbins (author, motivational speaker), Goldie Hawn

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Episode Overview

This episode continues Kate and Oliver Hudson’s deep-dive conversation with Mel Robbins, joined by Goldie Hawn. The discussion explores resilience, personal change, mental health, and Mel’s transformative "Let Them" theory. The conversation is intimate and candid, covering Mel’s personal struggles with anxiety, parenting, addiction, and the wisdom she has gained—and distilled for millions—through both lived experience and intellectual exploration.

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Key Topics & Insights

1. Mel Robbins’ Personal Backstory & Turning Points

[04:06–08:00]

• Goldie Hawn prompts Mel to discuss her challenging upbringing, but Mel clarifies her real difficulties began later in life, not in childhood.

• Mel reveals her background as a public defender—a role that, like her current work, was about being in someone’s corner during pivotal moments.

• Her crisis started in her 30s and 40s, fueled by undiagnosed anxiety and compounded by financial disaster, marital tension, and self-destructive habits.

  • Quote:

    “When you almost lose your family and your house and your sanity, you don't take it for granted.”
    — Mel Robbins [07:06]

• Mel describes a low point: waking up hungover in her living room after her kids had missed the bus, marking the depth of her struggle with parenting and alcohol.

2. What Does ‘Giving Up’ Mean?

[08:00–09:15]

• Mel reframes "giving up" not as a dramatic moment but as a series of accumulated micro-decisions—hitting the snooze button, unhealthy choices, avoidance.

  • Quote:

    “If you wake up in the morning, the first thing that you feel is dread and you hit the snooze button. You just gave up. If you hit it again, you give up again.”
    — Mel Robbins [08:03]

• Humorous exchange about donuts and intention—Goldie admits to eating a donut, Mel distinguishes between conscious indulgence and numbing.

3. Pain, Motivation, and the Reality of Change

[09:23–12:52]

• Mel succinctly states that people rarely change out of positive motivation; instead, pain becomes the prime catalyst.

  • Quote:

    “There is a tremendous relationship between pain and the will to change. … The human brain because of the negativity bias is actually wired to default towards what's easy. Now. You have to make a conscious, intentional decision to force yourself to do things that feel hard if you want to change.”
    — Mel Robbins [09:23]

• Discusses the myth of constant motivation and the reality of "fits and starts" when establishing new habits. Cites research from the fitness app Strava about “Quitter’s Day” (day 19, statistically when most people give up new habits).

  • Quote:

    “It's a mistake to think you're going back because you're not giving yourself the credit for how far you've come.”
    — Mel Robbins [12:52]

4. Grit, Habits, and Self-Compassion

[13:16–15:04]

• Explores the science of grit (citing Angela Duckworth)—key requirement is wanting to be good at something.

• Draws analogies to learning piano, practicing self-compassion, and accepting periods of plateau as part of growth.

  • Quote:

    “That landing is a place for incubation.”
    — Goldie Hawn [13:56]

• Value of intentional, incremental improvements and giving oneself credit for progress, not just outcomes.

5. The ‘Let Them’ Theory & Its Personal Impact

[31:06–33:38]

• Mel’s “Let Them” theory stems from her effort to overcome people-pleasing and jealousy, and has become a surprising cultural phenomenon.

• She emphasizes boundaries, focusing on one’s own values, and not seeking validation from others.

  • Quote:

    “I’ve always been frustrated with my people pleasing and the friction I cause in relationships and the jealousy that I feel... This theory profoundly changed me from the inside out.”
    — Mel Robbins [31:20]

• The theory’s success is interpreted by Mel as a hopeful sign: people are searching for meaning and simplicity in an overstimulating, productivity-obsessed culture.

6. Parenting Through Struggles and Change

[27:17–29:14]

• Mel discusses parenting while struggling with her own dysfunction, and the shift to a more aware, intentional presence as a mother.
• She purposefully avoids giving unsolicited advice to her (now adult) children, focusing on listening rather than "fixing."
  • Quote:

    “My phrase as a parent is always, do you want me to listen or do you like to know what I think? And they always, ‘I just want you to listen.’”
    — Mel Robbins [33:02]

7. Resilience & Grit: Getting Back Up

[25:13–26:37]

• The real skill is not in never falling, but getting up after setbacks. Goldie shares a moving story about teaching her son resilience.

  • Quote:

    “The mark of the man truly is how fast you get up. … That is a part of grit, that is a part of saying, I can.”
    — Goldie Hawn [25:32]

• Mel likens early childhood learning (babies falling 17 times an hour while learning to walk) to adults who self-limit through critical narratives—but change is always possible.

8. Spirituality, Signs, and Collective Illusion

[21:52–46:07]

• Mel shares her belief in signs, manifesting, and feeling “guided” in her work, viewing herself as part of a bigger movement counteracting negativity.
• Goldie underscores the sense of spiritual “pull” in being of service to others.
• Mel discusses the “collective illusion” (research by Dr. Todd Rose) where most people want purpose and meaning, but falsely believe others primarily want money and status—pointing to the self-silencing that feeds social division.
  • Quote:

    “80 to 90% of people want the same things. We may disagree on policy, but … something has happened in terms of the way that the media has been attacked and social media has been hijacked... But there’s a lot of hope.”
    — Mel Robbins [42:31]

9. Personal Growth, Boundaries, and Psychedelic Therapy

[39:00–50:24]

• Mel continues to work on emotional reactivity and staying present. She’s benefited from EMDR, psychedelic therapies, and intentional family healing.

• Describes family MDMA therapy as “life changing,” conducted with therapists and integration, emphasizing the importance of proper guidance.

  • Quote:

    “We’ve had two therapists do guided MDMA therapy as a family. And how was that? Life changing.”
    — Mel Robbins [39:26]

• The neuroscience of spiritual and psychedelic experiences—brain scans show similar patterns across meditation, awe, and “mystical” states, suggesting a built-in capacity for connection beyond self.

10. Giving Yourself Grace & The Power of Incremental Change

[24:49–25:13]

• Emphasis on self-compassion: change involves falling and getting up, sometimes repeatedly.
  • Quote:

    “Give yourself the grace the moment you fall. Cause the real skill isn’t starting. … Give yourself grace to then pick yourself back up and keep going.”
    — Mel Robbins [25:13]

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Notable Quotes & Moments

• On Motivation:

  "You're never going to feel like doing what you need to do. You have to force yourself to do it. That's the skill."
  — Mel Robbins [10:37]

• On Self-Compassion:

  “We have to give ourselves some grace.”
  — Oliver Hudson [24:50]

• On Authenticity and Success:

  “You've never seen a hearse pull on a U-haul. Like you're not going to take anything with you, but you're gonna leave something important in how you lived your life.”
  — Mel Robbins [23:35]

• On ‘Let Them’ Theory:

  “Let them say what they're going to say and focus on the let me part. Let me show up in my life in a way where I feel authentic...”
  — Mel Robbins [45:46]

• On Parenting/Education Innovation:

  "People said to me, you will never, ever teach the brain and you will not get meditation in the classroom. And my answer, watch me."
  — Goldie Hawn [47:01]

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Important Timestamps

• [04:06] – Episode proper begins; Mel shares background
• [07:06] – Mel hits rock bottom, realization during crisis
• [08:03–08:29] – Mel defines “giving up” through small daily choices
• [09:23–10:37] – The power of pain as a motivator; myth of motivation
• [11:56–12:39] – Research on “Quitter’s Day”; habits and perseverance
• [13:16–13:56] – Goldie’s analogy about practice and patience (piano, behavior)
• [21:52–23:32] – Belief in signs, manifesting, and service to others
• [24:49–25:13] – The power of grace when setbacks occur
• [25:32–26:37] – Goldie’s hockey story: resilience in life and sports
• [31:06–33:38] – Mel on podcasting, intentionality, "Let Them" theory’s impact
• [39:00–41:28] – Mel on dealing with emotional reactivity; MDMA family therapy
• [42:31–45:00] – Dr. Todd Rose’s “collective illusion”; society’s real values
• [45:46–47:01] – Mel’s advice: aligning with one’s authentic values
• [47:01–47:44] – Goldie’s “watch me” story: teaching neuroscience and meditation in schools

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Tone & Style

• Candid and relatable: Both hosts and guests share personal struggles, use humor, and break down complex ideas for everyday listeners.
• Supportive and empowering: Much of the episode revolves around encouraging listeners to be kind to themselves while pushing gently against their comfort zones.
• Hopeful and practical: Despite acknowledging pain, setbacks, and societal challenges, the speakers offer practical tools and a powerful sense of hope.

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Summary Takeaway

The episode stands as a compassionate, empowering conversation about how real change happens: not in grand gestures, but in hundreds of tiny choices, with compassion for setbacks, and an unwavering focus on authentic self-growth. Mel Robbins’s “Let Them” theory offers a simple, profound framework for reclaiming one’s agency—while Goldie, Kate, and Oliver remind listeners that, above all, love and listening are what anchor us through ever-changing circumstances.

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Miss this one? Listen for:

• Vulnerable personal stories from Mel on dealing with rock-bottom moments
• Honest discussion about mental health, parenthood, and personal development
• Motivating practical advice on habit-building, resilience, and spiritual connectedness
• Insights from neuroscience, research, and lived experience, delivered with humor and warmth

Transcript

[Kate Hudson]

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[Mel Robbins]

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[Kate Hudson]

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[Mel Robbins]

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[Mel Robbins]

Hi, I'm Kate Hudson and my name is Oliver Hudson.

[Kate Hudson]

We wanted to do something that highlighted.

[Mel Robbins]

Our relationship and what it's like to be siblings. We are. A sibling rivalry.

[Kate Hudson]

No, no.

[Mel Robbins]

Sibling rivalry.

[Kate Hudson]

Don't do that with your mouth.

[Mel Robbins]

Sibling revelry.

That's good.

So we're back. Part two, the woman who changed my Diapers, Goldie Hawn, and, of course, Mel Robbins. Yeah, let's keep it. Let's keep it going, guys.

[Goldie Hawn]

Because you went through a hard upbringing. You really. It really did. And. But I wonder where that grit came from because you. You worked your way out of it.

[Mel Robbins]

You.

[Goldie Hawn]

You. You became more, I would say, investigating your emotions and trying to figure out how to move through some of these darker memories and times. But did you ever think that what you were going to do was to actually come up with practices and ways and means that you might.

[Mel Robbins]

Were you a good lawyer?

I was an excellent lawyer. I was a public defender.

You're a public defender.

Yes, because I was fighting for somebody else.

Right. And do you think that this translates into what you do?

I think the closest thing that I have done in the past to what I do now is when I was a legal aid lawyer.

Yeah.

And I was assigned to represent people who did not pick me in a moment where they had very difficult decisions to make. And the stress was at an all time high and I might be the only person in their corner. And so, you know, one thing that I will just say that, you know, for me, my childhood was fine. It was in my 40s when things got horrible.

[Goldie Hawn]

Oh, okay.

[Mel Robbins]

Yeah. So my childhood, I grew up in the Midwest. My parents were great. Like, I had a. My childhood was fine.

Do you have siblings?

Yeah, I have a younger brother. My sister in law, who he's married to, is my business partner. So my life started to fall apart, really, in my 30s and 40s. And it was kind of the compounding aspect of undiagnosed anxiety. Undiagnosed anxiety.

I was about to say, was it an emotional fall apart or was it.

More of like, I don't think anybody ever wakes up and says, you know what, today I'm gonna screw up my life. I think I'm gonna snort a bunch of coke and cheat on my spouse and drive my car into a wall, quit my job, say something that gets me canceled. Like, nobody does that intentionally. And what happens is you start to make small decisions that aren't aligned with your higher calling and who you know yourself to be, and they start to slowly take you off course.

Did you recognize in the moment that you were making these decisions?

Not at all, no. When you're asking for the next beer or you're like, no, you're spending too much money that you don't have, I've.

Been in those doldrums and there is a part of me that knows though, that, oh, this is bad decision.

You have more self awareness than I did. Like, I literally just was trying my best to get through my life and keep up with the Joneses and make money and, you know, not hate my husband too much and, like, just get through it.

Yeah.

And I found myself in my 40s and I'm grateful for this. I am so grateful that success came later. Because if you have an experience where your house has liens on it, you're $800,000 in debt, you cannot pay for groceries, you're pulling your kids out of town, soccer, your friends and family have invested in your husband's pizza restaurant, and you're now unemployed. When you have that experience, you don't forget it. And when you almost lose your family and your house and your sanity, you don't take it for granted. And so all I was trying to do, honestly, Goldie, was I recognized as hard as my husband was working to try to fix what was happening in our life, it wasn't working. And at some point, if I wanted to keep the house if I wanted to get out of debt, if I wanted to feel better. I couldn't lay in bed like a human pot roast. I couldn't drink myself into the ground. I had to do something.

Did you ever want to give up? I don't know what that means.

I think giving up even mean I kill myself. But I think what giving up feels like is you give up all day long. If you wake up in the morning, the first thing that you feel is dread and you hit the snooze button. You just gave up. If you hit it again, you give up again. You hit it again, you give up again. If you grab the donut instead of making yourself some eggs, you've kind of given up a little bit. And I'm not saying there's not a lot of complicated things that go into those types of things.

[Goldie Hawn]

I know, but I ate a donut the other day.

[Mel Robbins]

You chose it.

Intention.

[Goldie Hawn]

You gave up a donut hole.

[Podcast Advertiser/Announcer]

You gave up.

[Mel Robbins]

I mean, I eat donuts all the.

Time, but what were you drinking a lot?

Oh, hell, yes.

Oh, you were.

Absolutely.

And that was. There was a numbing effect. That was. That was.

You want to know how bad things got? This is how you know you're failing at parenting.

Yeah.

When the kids go to bed, you start drinking Manhattans, like four or five of them. And then the next thing you remember is when you wake up in a chair in the living room because your three kids have missed the bus and they're making you up. That's how you know you're failing at this parenting thing.

Yeah. Yeah.

And so that was happening.

Yeah.

And what you know, and this is the thing that I talk about a lot because I experienced it, is you can know what to do.

Right.

But how do you make yourself do it? That's $50 million.

That's right. That's it right there.

That's right there. I knew I needed a job. I knew I needed to stop screaming at Chris. I knew I needed to stop yelling at the kids. I knew I needed to tell my parents what was happening. I knew I needed to open the bills that had been piling up for six months. I couldn't do it. And what all the psychologists, in researching the various books I've written, and now I feel confirmed by my own experience. And you, of course, know this is. That there is a tremendous relationship between pain and the will to change. And it's a fantasy to think that most of us are positively motivated to change the human brain because of the negativity bias is actually wired to default towards what's easy Now. You have to make a conscious, intentional decision to force yourself to do things that feel hard if you want to change. And for most of us, I am very negatively motivated, so I'm stubborn. It took a lot of pain for me to get to a point where I'm like, well, drinking myself into a ground, destroying my marriage, not paying bills, feeling this level of shame. Sitting here is now harder than getting out of bed.

I can relate to that so much.

And so understanding that you can either let your life get worse before it gets better, because it's going to. It's going to get worse, or you can decide that where you're at is no longer where you want to be, and you can recognize you're never. Motivation is complete nut or garbage. You're never going to feel like doing what you need to do. You have to force yourself to do it. That's the skill.

Did you have a lot of stop and starts? Always, yeah.

Every day.

I'm speaking of my own experience. Boom. I'm on it. I'm not going to drink anymore. I'm going to be healthy. I'm going to get my life together and bang. It's great. Three weeks and then. Oh, no. What happened? Here I am again.

Yes. You listen to how you felt instead of focusing on what you need to do.

Right. And so at what point was that true? Inflection point where it was just like, okay, here we are. I am moving on to the next part of my life.

So I think you change your life with one decision. The results of that decision show up over time. There's a big difference between the will and the desire to change, which begins with a singular decision. And the results that show up because you keep showing up. And it is always fits and starts. It is a myth that you will be perfect, like a robot. In fact, Strava is this great fitness app.

I'm on it.

Well, they've crunched all the data, and there's actually a day that is called Quitter's Day. Based on hundreds of millions of pieces of data. Day 19 is the average day when people quit. And the reason why is because you have forced yourself to start something new. You have recognized that it's gonna be challenging, and you've pushed yourself through it. But by day 19, it's now grueling and boring, and you don't see the results yet. And that's when most people.

[Goldie Hawn]

And you're not getting a dopamine reaction.

[Mel Robbins]

Correct. And that's when most people give up is right around day 19. And what I love, though, is this piece of research, because a lot of us, we are always going to go in fits and starts.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Yeah.

[Mel Robbins]

That's just how it goes. And so I want you to think about change. Like climbing a staircase with landings. When you go up a flight of stairs, if you get to a landing, you're still up that flight of stairs.

Yeah.

The landing is just a plateau. And most of us think that we failed. No, no, no. It's just a plateau. You still keep the gain. When you go up the next flight and push yourself again after not going to the gym for the week, you didn't lose that flight you already climbed. And it's a mistake to think you're going back because you're not giving yourself the credit for how far you've come.

Yeah. Yes.

[Goldie Hawn]

Also, there's an idea that once you get excited about what you're doing. Right. It's like playing a piano. You love your first lessons. They're really terrific. But you can't learn to play the piano in a day or a month or even six months. You have to stay practicing all the time.

[Mel Robbins]

Right.

[Goldie Hawn]

In order for that to happen. And it's the same thing with behavior. It's the same thing with creating more habitual behavior in your. In your brain. So we have to realize and be patient with ourselves to know. And that's what. That's. I love that analogy. That's the landing.

[Mel Robbins]

Yeah.

[Goldie Hawn]

That landing is a place for incubation.

[Mel Robbins]

Well, you know, one of the things that I think a lot about is you mentioned grit. And I recently sat down with Professor Angela Duckworth, who wrote that big book about grit. And I was floored because I never knew this, that when she studied grit, that there is four requirements in order for somebody to demonstrate grit. And there's one particular requirement that nobody talks about, and that's that you actually like and want to be good at the thing. It is impossible, I think, to be really good at something that you don't really like. But you can teach yourself. Just like I've taught myself how to unload the dishwasher. I don't like doing it.

[Goldie Hawn]

I hate it.

[Mel Robbins]

But I make myself do it. Right. I don't like folding laundry, but I make myself do it.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Goldie Hawn]

I'd rather wash dishes, which I do. Me, too.

[Mel Robbins]

And I'd rather wash the clothes than fold them.

I don't know what that is, but what is it? But that moment. I mean, now you're in your 40s. And then bang.

Oh, what happened?

Yeah, what happened?

I was wasted on bourbon.

Right.

And I was having a pep talk with my. I don't know if you've ever. You probably have. Yeah. When you're speaking out loud. Yeah. Like, it's one thing if you're giving a friend advice.

I have screamed at myself in the mirror. Get it together, Oliver. Get it together.

Yes. Okay. So I was doing that.

Yeah.

And I was watching TV. It was February 2008. And it was like, that's it, woman. Tomorrow. Tomorrow, it's the new you. Tomorrow you are going to get a job. You're going to be nice to Chris, you're going to stop drinking. And tomorrow, when that alarm rings, you are not gonna lay there like a human pot roast. You are gonna get out of bed and get those kids on that bus. And honest to God, at that exact moment, a rocket ship blasted across a TV screen at the end of a commercial. And I was so drunk, I was like, it's a sign from God. Oh, no, I hear you. I'll launch myself out of bed like a rocket. It was honestly, probably the bourbon and divine intervention swirled together in one gigantic life changing cocktail. But here' thing, everybody. I believe that you are you. You are designed to thrive and grow and be happy. And even when you're miserable and stuck, there are so many glimmers and signs all around you to pay attention to. And that was my.

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[Kate Hudson]

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[Mel Robbins]

Oh.

[Kate Hudson]

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[Mel Robbins]

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[Mel Robbins]

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[Kate Hudson]

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[Mel Robbins]

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[Mel Robbins]

October is one of my favorite times to travel with my family. You know, it's not too hot, it's not too cold, and the crowds are lighter. So this year we've been talking about heading to Switzerland because I know the kids would love hiking in the Alps, riding those mountain trains, and of course trying every kind of chocolate they can find. When we do trips like this, I love need to stay in an Airbnb. You get that local vibe. It feels like you actually live there for a little while, which makes the memories that much richer. So if you're traveling this fall, it's also a perfect time to think about hosting your own home on Airbnb. And the best part? You don't have to do it all by yourself. With Airbnb's co host network, you can hire a local co host to manage everything from your listing, guest communications, and even making sure the place looks amazing. Find a co [e-mail] host so yeah, I'm a golfer. I golf. It's what I do. And Arizona has incredible golfing. Especially Scottsdale. And the fall is the best time to go golf in Scottsdale and Arizona. You know what, if you're looking for a serene escape, fewer crowds than that time of year. And the weather is amazing. So the city is always bustling during the major event season, like spring training or the WM Phoenix Open, which I've been to.

[Kate Hudson]

Sometimes you want a more relaxed getaway. And in fall, Scottsdale can be all about you. It's perfect for hiking, yoga, guided meditations.

[Mel Robbins]

Horseback riding, and did you know Scottsdale is home to more than 200 area golf courses? Yeah. Told you. This is why I'm going. Go play golf. World class golf.

[Kate Hudson]

There's also Scottsdale's Old Town district. All walkable with world class shops and restaurants. You won't be bored.

[Mel Robbins]

There's still tons to do there in the fall. Dreamy Draw Music Festival is always a good vibe. Canal Convergence is a cool annual art event at the Scottsdale waterfront and it gets decked out for the holidays, including Scott's Dazzle when Old Town gets all festive and all lit. So you gotta go visit unwindinscotsdale.com today. Do you believe in signs?

Of course.

Higher powers? Metaphysicality.

I am. I'm an expert manifester. I train my brain to work for me. I look for signs all day long. I believe that the Let Them Theory success and just the jaw dropping success of my podcast and the Let them Theory. The timing of when this book came out, it cannot be explained by anything other than hard work meets the universe. Guiding this as part of the counter programming to the negativity and the collective illusion of division that we see in the headlines and that in any moment in history when there is a rise of darkness. There is a corresponding rise in light. And I feel deeply connected to that. I do not feel that it is me. I feel very much in service of something way bigger than a human being. It is me. Absolutely. Absolutely.

[Goldie Hawn]

I love hearing that. And I relate.

[Mel Robbins]

I really believe that. And I know you do. I know you do.

[Goldie Hawn]

And what is it that drives us? You know, it isn't necessarily tangible. It's just a pull. It feels like a spiritual pull of some kind. That said, if I'm gonna. If that is my thing and I'm gonna be used to do this and I make sense and people are feeling better. It's not about me me, it's about them.

[Mel Robbins]

Yes.

[Goldie Hawn]

And that's what I'm loving about your being about your all things that you're doing, all the care that you're giving and all the enthusiasm around how you are participating not just in your life, but in theirs.

[Mel Robbins]

Did success scare you at all?

No, because I know what matters to me. Like, you've never seen a hearse pull on a U haul. Like you're not going to take anything with you, but you're gonna leave something important in how you lived your life.

[Goldie Hawn]

While you're doing it is an incredible sense of not just belonging. And I will say purpose, because that purpose is one of the areas that some people don't feel they have any purpose. That's not a good feeling.

[Mel Robbins]

But here's your purpose. Your purpose is you. If you don't know what to focus on, make being a better version of yourself your single biggest project. Because change does not come from the top.

[Goldie Hawn]

No.

[Mel Robbins]

Change comes from within. And when you become just a little bit happy, a little bit better, a little bit more positive, you feel a little bit more hopeful. You take a little bit better care of yourself. It ripples through your family. It ripples through your.

It's called the 1% or I'm sure. Yeah. It's like you make yourself just 1% better each day. That's it.

That's it. And it literally, like, do not be gaslit into believing you have no power.

Yeah.

You are powerful beyond your wildest imaginations. As long as you stop giving your power away to other people into the headlines. You said to turn off the news.

Yeah.

Put down your phone.

I also think you have to give yourself grace because I think a lot of us don't. We're very hard on ourselves because we. These are powerful words. They're inspiring. And you get emboldened to go out there and do it and you Make a five steps forward and then you're gonna fall. And then sometimes we get hard on ourselves, like, oh, I'm fucked, that's it. I gave it a shot. I can't. We have to give ourselves some grace.

Give yourself the grace the moment you fall. Cause the real skill isn't starting. It's that when you have a few days or weeks or months or a year where you don't do what you want or need to do, give yourself grace to then pick yourself back up and keep going.

[Podcast Advertiser/Announcer]

Exactly.

[Goldie Hawn]

One of the things I said to Wyatt, he was playing hockey and he was, had a concussion. I went there, obviously, made him breakfast, lunch and dinner. And had a chef also. No, I'm just kidding. But I went there and then we had breakfast the next day. And you know, I said, tim, you know, life really, we're going to fall down. He's a goaltender, we're going to get knocked down. That's what life is. It's not that simple. However, the mark of the man truly is how fast you get up. And it's like you, if you're defending the goal, you got to get up fast, dude. And that's really the way we are. That is a part of grit, that is a part of saying, I can. That also says, I can defend this goal. I can do that. And once you fall and it doesn't work, you're gonna say, I'm getting up again and I'm starting all over. And that is so true. Because the whole idea of falling down, being knocked down, doesn't mean your life is over. It means that you have the capability of get up, man, get right up. Because you'll win at the game of life if you can.

[Mel Robbins]

Well, you're actually designed to like, if they. I can't remember what the research is, but when a baby is learning to walk, they fall on average of 17 times an hour. And no baby, because they don't have language yet, when they fall, lays there and goes, well, that's it, I'm screwed. I'll be the only one who never walks again. And then we develop language and we become self critical and we develop a narrative that keeps us from getting up. And that's not to say there's something wrong if you're there. It's to say that if your brain learned to do that, your brain can actually learn how to tell you to get up again. And it's designed to.

How many kids do you have?

Three. 26, 25 and 20.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Okay.

[Mel Robbins]

So growing up, when they're growing up when you were in your bad spot.

In my peak dysfunction.

Right. First of all, how was that being apparent?

Horrible.

Yeah.

[Podcast Advertiser/Announcer]

Horrible.

[Mel Robbins]

And were they. Did they recognize that?

Mom, I don't. They didn't really. They didn't. Like, we didn't start the heavy drinking till they were in bed. We at least had some boundaries.

[Goldie Hawn]

Yeah.

[Mel Robbins]

Yeah.

And then on the other side of that.

And we weren't yellers or that kind of. Like, I yelled at Chris.

Yeah.

But not. I didn't. I mean, I would event. I would, like all parents snap occasionally, but no.

And then with the. On the other side of that, with you being who you are right now and just this vast, not so much knowledge, which I want to get into for two seconds.

All learned the hard way by everything up.

That's right. But. But are you just so well read? Because once you left this old life, essentially, and not. Not that they don't combine, but sort of moved into the next phase, were you just learning through reading and researching and studying and having people on and having conversations? You know, were you a voracious sort of intellect?

I'm a voracious intellectual, yeah. I have a massive brain, and I didn't realize how much of an engine it was. Like, my superpower is to take the complex and distill it down into a singular thing that's relevant to somebody who is just trying to do a little better.

You're so right. It's true. Because that's what I do when I listen to you. You're so engaged, and it can be.

Well, because I'm listening for. How is this relevant to each other?

You are, because there's a million podcasts out there. Look, you know, theories are theories, and people say this, and there's cb, there's cognitive, behavioral therapy, all of it. But there's something about you. I know what I'm doing that is very fucking engaged. And you're trustworthy, and you are also listening authentically. You know, I mean, I think that, for me, feels like your superpower to me. It's like, wow, she's right there.

Thank you for reflecting that back to me. It's. And you've used this word a number of times. I'm an extremely intentional person, and I'm very much driven by mission and values. And if somebody somewhere around the world who has no time, by the way, because they're working, they're caring for aging parents, they've got little kids, they're running around, they got bills to pay. So if you take a person like that who Just wants to do a little better and feel a little better. And they're going to make time that they don't have and they're gonna spend it with me. You better believe I am going to do everything I possibly can to make the time that they spend of value for them. And so when I sit in the chair on my podcast, I have that one person in mind and I'm listening. I know as much as the experts about the topic because I have read every single page of their book. I have poured over the research. We spend probably 30 to 40 hours, we do pre interviews. We then spend two to three hours with every expert. We then spend another 50 hours in post to make sure that if you're going to spend an hour listening to the Mel Robbins podcast, you felt different, you felt better, you felt hopeful. And it was valuable information either for you or that it was a free resource to send to somebody else.

[Product Advertiser]

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[Mel Robbins]

And the fact that we can offer that for, because of our, that's incredible. And so I know my role there. And back to that thing about success. I am blown away by the success of the podcast and the just jaw dropping success of the let them theory because it gives me hope.

Isn't it amazing? Cause it's just so simple.

[Goldie Hawn]

It's so simple.

[Mel Robbins]

It's a little bit complex. Absolutely.

But.

But you know, and it came from a place of inspiration.

Well, it came from a place of.

I mean, at least in the story.

I've always been frustrated with my people pleasing and the friction I cause in relationships and the jealousy that I feel and the ways that I've held myself back because I feel like if somebody else has it, then I can't have it. Like a very limited point of view. And so in trying to work through those limitations, that's why the book is what it is. I'm the villain. Like all those stories are real. They're the things I'm not proud to admit that I was feeling or experiencing. And this theory profoundly changed me from the inside out. But what I love about all this is it's a sign. Despite the headlines that people, people want more meaning, they want more connection. We are seeking ways to simplify our lives because we have so over optimized for productivity and profit making that we've lost touch with what actually gives you meaning as a human being. And so I feel hopeful that people are turning towards messages like your podcast and mine to find a sense of power and your foundation work in nonprofit that people are wanting and knowing something's deeply wrong and yet there are things I can do to make it better, because there are. But I am grateful that it's happened. When I'm 57, I live on a mountain in Vermont. I don't see. I am so clear that I just wanna spend more time with my husband Chris. I wanna make sure my kids still talk to me and we have a.

Good relationship, but they're always like, mom, okay, I know. I've read the book. I don't.

No, I don't give them advice.

You never?

No, that's the way worst thing to do. Like, I literally, my phrase as a parent is always, do you want me to listen?

Yeah.

Or do you like to know what I think? And they always, I just want you to listen. And so I know my role as a wife and a friend and as a mom, as a daughter, as I know what my role is there. And it is not what I do for work. If I were workmel in my life, I would would probably be divorced, right? And my kids would hate me, right? Oh, God, yes.

[Goldie Hawn]

Oh, I know.

[Mel Robbins]

This podcast is sponsored by PayPal. Okay, let's talk holiday shopping. When you want to make the most of your money, head to the PayPal app before you check out. They give you the flexibility to pay in four no fees, no interest. And this is big. You can get 5% cash back when you pay later with PayPal. So whether you're shopping for a gift for the kids, your spouse, or one for yourself, PayPal helps you make the most of your money this holiday. Save the offer in the PayPal app expires 1231. See paypal.com promoterms Subject to approval. Learn more at paypal.com Pain for PayPal Inc. NMLS 910457 October is one of my favorite times to travel with my family. You know, it's not too hot, it's not too cold, and the crowds are lighter. So this year we've been talking about heading to Switzerland because I know the kids would love hiking in the Alps, riding those mountain trains, and of course, trying every kind of chocolate they can find. When we do trips like this, I love need to stay in an Airbnb. You get that local vibe. It feels like you actually live there for a little while, which makes the memories that much richer. So if you're traveling this fall, it's also a perfect time to think about hosting your own home on Airbnb. And the best part, you don't have to do it all by yourself. With Airbnb's co host network, you can Hire a local co host to manage everything from your listing, guest communications and even making sure the place looks amazing. Find a co [e-mail] host so yeah, I'm a golfer. I golf. It's what I do. And Arizona has incredible golfing, especially Scottsdale. And the fall is the best time to go golf in Scottsdale and Arizona. You know what? If you're looking for a serene escape, fewer crowds then that time of year. And the weather is amazing. So the city is always bustling during the major event season like spring training or the WM Phoenix Open, which I've been to.

[Kate Hudson]

Sometimes you want a more relaxed getaway. And in fall, Scottsdale can be all about you. It's perfect for hiking, yoga, guided meditations, horseback riding.

[Mel Robbins]

And did you know Scottsdale is home to more than 200 area golf courses? Yeah. Told you. This is why I'm going. Go play golf. World class golf.

[Kate Hudson]

There's also Scottsdale's Old Town district. All walkable with world class shops and restaurants. You won't be bored.

[Mel Robbins]

There's still tons to do there in the fall. Dreamy Draw Music festival is always a good vibe. Canal Convergence is a cool, cool annual art event at the Scottsdale waterfront. And it gets decked out for the holidays, including Scott's Dazzle when Old Town gets all festive and all lit. So you gotta go visit unwindinscotsdale.com today.

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[Mel Robbins]

All right, last thing. What are your, what are your hang ups? You know, what do you mean? What is Mel's issue? What are Mel's issues? Like what do you work on? I mean, do you still have things? We all do. But are there things about you that you just need to shift and change and, or do you feel pretty complete? Not, not. They will always be complete.

You know, I, it's a great question. I, I definitely am always going to work on emotional reactivity. Like obviously emotions are chemical explosions.

[Goldie Hawn]

Very good. I like that.

[Mel Robbins]

Yeah, that happen. And if you don't respond to them, they tend to rise and fall in 90 seconds. But I've kind of gotten to a point. I've done enough EMDR and psychedelic therapies and all that kind of stuff.

Have you done psychedelic therap?

We've actually done it as a family. We've had two therapists do guided MDMA therapy as a family. And how was that life changing?

It was life changing.

Absolutely. One of the most extraordinary. And Chris's 86 year old mother was with us. It is the most amazing life changing experience. But again, we used the MAPS protocol. We had two guides, therapists, a whole integration thing that lasts weeks afterwards. We're gonna do it again this year before Thanksgiving.

And you've done a bunch of research on it?

Oh, absolutely, yeah, absolutely. And so I, you know, for me I think that it's just not allowing stupid shit to hijack my emotions. And what I've come to learn is that I'm self aware enough and I am committed enough to being peaceful and to holding space of acceptance and compassion for myself and others that, that if I am a real bitch, I typically need a sandwich or a nap. Like there's like, you know, the system is running on empty because I've really changed. Like the person that I was at 54 when I first started creating this theory and building the case for it. I mean, completely different human being three years later.

Wow.

Because of, of Let them is a boundary between you and other people in the world.

[Goldie Hawn]

It's a big one.

[Mel Robbins]

And it helps you protect yourself and it helps you understand what's worth holding space up here and what's worth allowing you to impact here. And the let me part is where you do all the work. You talk about, Goldie, which is you get to choose. Like this is how you take responsibility for your life. And responsibility, if you look at that word, is just the ability to respond. To respond to what's happening around you, to respond to other people's moods and expectations and opinions and to choose consciously and intentionally to use your word again.

[Goldie Hawn]

Yes, it's an interesting longer discussion, but we're really being challenged on that level, right?

[Mel Robbins]

Yes, we are.

[Goldie Hawn]

It's very, very hard. People are inflamed. It's hard for them to grapple with their high level emotions around the polarity about what's really going on. Perception. People have both different it all. There's a reason for it. But I've never seen anything like this in my life. And it is really debilitating. It's breaking people up. It's. It's losing friends.

[Mel Robbins]

Yeah.

[Goldie Hawn]

There's a lot of things that are basically happening because we can't let them.

[Mel Robbins]

It's so true. You know, you guys should have. Dr. Todd Rose, he's one of the. He's one of the most important guests that I've had on the podcast since.

[Goldie Hawn]

His Name is what?

[Mel Robbins]

Dr. Todd Rose. Todd, he was a professor at the Harvard Graduate School of Education and then left to start a nonpartisan think tank. He has the world's largest private data set of what people believe.

[Goldie Hawn]

Oh, I love that.

[Mel Robbins]

And what he does in his research is he'll give you a list of. I'll give you an example of the research. He'll give you 60 criteria, and he will ask you to go into a room privately and say, okay, you two, I want you to rank what you Privately believes living a successful life means. And you have to rank them in order so it's not like it's this or that. Rank them 1 to 60. So you rank them all. He's done this with, I don't know, tens of thousands of people, all different backgrounds, political belief, spirituality, age, everything. Do you know when you rank it privately, of the top 10 things that people privately say this means a successful life? Eight are exactly the same. And the number one criteria that people privately say means a successful life is I have spent my life doing something that's meaningful, that makes a difference for other people. Now when you then ask each of you to take the same 60 and go, okay, how do you think other people would rank this and define success? Number one is money, status. All of it. None of which hits in the top 10 for most people. And his work is all about the fact that we are living in this collective illusion where the loudest voices. So 80 to 90% of the content you see online is from 10% of the accounts. Yep. That the loudest and most extreme voices are now dominating the public discourse. And the problem is the 80 to 90% of us are self silencing. And when you self silence, you're self silencing because you actually believe that a majority of people agree with this horseshit that you see happening in the news. When the truth is, and he has the research to prove it, 80 to 90% of people want the same things. Yeah, we may disagree on policy, but I remember a time a decade ago where people actually worked together. But something has happened in terms of the way that the media has been attacked and social media has been hijacked and bots have come in. One out of every four interactions you have online on social media is with a bot, not a human being. And people don't know this. Therefore we self silence. And there's a lot of hope because the hope comes from. And he's got a lot of historical examples in the data.

[Goldie Hawn]

Oh, I love that.

[Mel Robbins]

The second that people start going, this doesn't make sense. This doesn't feel right. You start actually finding the courage to be authentic, the whole illusion shatters. Just like the emperor with no clothes. Nobody wants to say anything because it's the emperor. And the emperor is cantankerous and mentally ill and narcissistic and out for profit and power and so insecure. But the second somebody goes, you're naked, the whole thing falls apart. And so I do feel very hopeful because of the historical examples that it's not gonna happen.

From up top.

It happens from within. We all have a role to play.

[Goldie Hawn]

Exactly, exactly.

[Mel Robbins]

So let them say what they're going to say and focus on the let me part. Let me show up in my life in a way where I feel authentic, where I am expressing myself and my beliefs, where I am living in a way where I'm aligned with my values and my sense of character. And if I do that, trust you give other people permission to do that too.

[Goldie Hawn]

It's really. I was asked of the speaking engagement I did so well, how do you not lose yourself? Yourself, you know, after all the world, the work that you've done and the time you put in and everything that's happened with you. And I said, well, if you know yourself, you won't lose yourself.

[Mel Robbins]

Yes.

[Goldie Hawn]

And I think the idea of how can we learn more and be open and fair to ourselves as to who we are and how we want to become someone that we have. Oh, I like that myself. I have integrity. You like being you. And we can work at that.

[Mel Robbins]

Yes, we can.

[Goldie Hawn]

It's just beautiful.

[Mel Robbins]

Well, I think that's why Let Them is so powerful, because it teaches you how to stop giving so much time and energy and power to other people. It teaches you to stop looking out there for the actual validation that you need, which needs to come from yourself.

Exactly.

[Goldie Hawn]

And one other little thing that I had, which is when I started the program, I was teaching brain science because why we asked them to learn when they don't know what they have, what tool they have. So it was a way out there idea. It was like crazy disturbance, whatever. And people said to me, you will never, ever teach the brain and you will not get meditation in the classroom. And my answer, watch me.

[Mel Robbins]

You did it.

[Goldie Hawn]

My point is, I knew what I could do. I knew the research. I knew do these things so anybody could say whatever they want.

[Mel Robbins]

Yes, let them.

[Goldie Hawn]

Let them.

[Mel Robbins]

Right there. Beautiful ending. And mom, what I took from all of this is we're doing MDMA as a family.

You have to.

Yes.

Now, it is the most extraordinary experience.

Right. But.

But because you know what I like about it?

And unguided.

No, what I like about it, you guys, is that it suspends the amygdala, so you can, like, you literally set the intention and you revisit things in your life. But what I love about it is that you have your eye mask on and the music's the guy. The second you do this, you're out of it. Like, if you have to go to the bathroom, you feel it, and then you're like, oh, my God, where did the. I gotta go to the bathroom and get back in it. And so you don't, like. I have no interest in doing a drug like Ayahuasca where I'm gonna puke and purge and all this shit with these strangers so I can learn. I can rely on my. That wouldn't be my giant either. Yeah. I want the things that have been studied in clinical settings and that have this extraordinary.

What about psilocybin? Like a Johns Hopkins or doing a John Hoping?

Yeah, absolutely. Like, I haven't done the psilocybin because it can go a little dark. I prefer the things that stay a little bit more in the heart.

Do you know scientifically, chemically, what's happening to the brain with the mdma?

Yes.

Can you just quickly. I know we're short on time, but I'm so interested.

Well, actually, you know what I should do? I'm gonna send you instead.

Yeah, send me instead.

The expert. The two experts you should have on the show that can actually explain Amazing. What's happening.

[Goldie Hawn]

Yeah, that's a great idea.

[Mel Robbins]

Because it.

[Ryan Seacrest]

It.

[Mel Robbins]

It affect. Like, what's so incredible is that, you know, if you actually. You should have Dr. Lisa Miller on from Columbia.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Okay.

[Mel Robbins]

She studies the neuroscience of spirituality.

[Goldie Hawn]

Oh, I know Lisa. She's amazing.

[Mel Robbins]

Well, so she can explain all this. But if they're looking at the brain of somebody having a spiritual experience, it looks exactly the same, whether it is somebody chanting in tongues, somebody in deep meditation, somebody having an orgasm, somebody in awe with nature, or somebody having a deeply psychological or psychedelic. Because there is a part of the brain that comes online where you are disassociated from self and you are able to be in the present moment without, like, managing your physical space. There's a part of the brain that locates you in a physical space. Yes. And there's something about these spiritual and psychedelic and other experiences that the brain is designed to do, but it also removes you from the physicality of the space and connects you with more of the quantum field and that energetic aspect of the experience.

Really amazing. Yeah, send me. I would love to. Stuff. So this is incredible. Thank you for taking the time.

Really amazing.

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[Kate Hudson]

You know that feeling when you're on an island vacation? Sun on your face, cocktail in hand, no deadlines or demands? That's Tommy Bahama. In their world, the living's always easy, the drinks are always good, and summer last lasts forever. Seriously, Tommy Bahama knows how to take you to your happy place. From their signature prints to their flattering fits, it's like if style and vacation had a baby. Effortless. It's sophisticated. It's art. It's giving. I'm on a beach somewhere and no, I cannot come to the phone right now. And it's not just for me. Their menswear is designed with the same next level comfort and feel good fabric so everyone could get in on the getaway. And Tommy Bahama restaurants and bars don't even get me started. Actually go to them because I love the desert and there is a Tommy Bahama restaurant in the desert and my son and I go there all the time. We drink Mai tais, we have good vibes and it's the world's best coconut shrimp served daily, full on relaxation mode. So if you are into craftsmanship, quality and making every day feel like a vacay, Tommy Bahama is where it's at. Check them out. Tommy Bahama.com and find a restaurant, bar or store near you. That's Tommy Bahama.com do you actually know Ball well?

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[Mel Robbins]

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[Mel Robbins]

Each week we sit down with your favorite iHeart podcast hosts and some very special guests to discuss the latest and greatest audiobooks from Audible.

[Podcast Advertiser/Announcer]

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[Kate Hudson]

This is an iHeart podcast.