It's All in the Genes...with Kimberly Williams Paisley & Ashley Williams

Summary

Podcast Summary: "It's All in the Genes...with Kimberly Williams-Paisley & Ashley Williams"

Episode Information:

• Title: It's All in the Genes...with Kimberly Williams-Paisley & Ashley Williams
• Podcast: Sibling Revelry with Kate Hudson and Oliver Hudson
• Host/Authors: Kate Hudson & Oliver Hudson
• Guests: Kimberly Williams-Paisley & Ashley Williams
• Release Date: May 26, 2025

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1. Introduction and Welcome ([02:48] - [05:00])

Kate Hudson and Oliver Hudson open the episode by introducing themselves and expressing their intent to highlight their sibling relationships through engaging conversations. They humorously correct each other’s names, setting a relaxed and playful tone for the discussion.

Notable Quote:

• Kate Hudson ([03:16]): "We wanted to do something that highlighted our relationship and what it's like to be siblings."

2. Childhood Memories and Family Dynamics ([05:09] - [16:07])

The conversation delves into the Hudson siblings' upbringing in Yonkers, Westchester County. They share anecdotes about their middle brother Jay, highlighting his unique path from firefighting to beekeeping. Kimberly Williams-Paisley reminisces about childhood games like "Fetch," which fostered independence and sibling bonding.

Notable Quotes:

• Kimberly Williams-Paisley ([10:39]): "We lived in a three-story house on a hill, so I had a tennis ball and threw it out the window to play fetch."
• Oliver Hudson ([07:58]): "Everyone was an accident. That's interesting."

3. Navigating Personal Challenges ([16:07] - [33:05])

Kimberly opens up about her battle with voice loss and her mother’s struggle with Alzheimer's disease. Ashley discusses experiencing a miscarriage, fostering a supportive environment among the siblings. They emphasize the importance of vulnerability and honesty in overcoming personal hardships.

Notable Quotes:

• Kimberly Williams-Paisley ([59:03]): "It was so much more preferable to hiding it and feeling like I don't want anyone to know. That's exhausting."
• Ashley Williams ([57:03]): "It's so much more preferable to hiding it and feeling like I don't want anyone to know. That's exhausting."

4. Career Beginnings and Achievements ([24:03] - [43:48])

The guests share their journeys into the entertainment industry. Kimberly recounts her early acting experiences and her breakthrough with "Father of the Bride," while Ashley details her ventures into hosting dating shows like "Farmer Wants a Wife." Oliver discusses his roles in Hallmark and Netflix Christmas movies, highlighting the balance between personal life and public careers.

Notable Quotes:

• Kimberly Williams-Paisley ([25:08]): "My big break came when I booked 'Father of the Bride' while I was a sophomore at Northwestern."
• Oliver Hudson ([47:02]): "I've done Hallmark movies in Canada for the last 10 years."

5. Hosting and Current Projects ([49:00] - [56:07])

Kimberly and Ashley discuss their roles as hosts on various reality and dating shows. They explore the creative processes behind their projects, such as "Farmer Wants a Wife" and "Small Town Setup," emphasizing the joy and challenges of being authentic on screen.

Notable Quotes:

• Kimberly Williams-Paisley ([51:17]): "It was so fun to show up and be me. Like, you guys must feel that doing this podcast, you get to just hang and be yourselves."
• Ashley Williams ([51:49]): "We're hosting dating shows on different networks, completely arbitrarily. It's stupid fun."

6. Reflections on Family and Sibling Relationships ([61:22] - [73:07])

The siblings reflect on their ability to emulate and support each other. Kimberly admires Ashley's infectious laughter and her ability to navigate difficult emotions, while Ashley appreciates Kimberly's honesty and perspective on personal growth. They discuss the balance between personal privacy and public vulnerability, especially concerning their roles as parents and partners.

Notable Quotes:

• Kimberly Williams-Paisley ([69:47]): "I wish I had Ashley's full belly laugh that just rings throughout a room and changes the atmosphere."
• Ashley Williams ([71:22]): "For Kim, she's so good at honestly looking at herself and telling me how to see a situation from another person's perspective."

7. Personal Insights and Closing Thoughts ([73:09] - [75:43])

As the episode draws to a close, the Hudson siblings and their guests discuss the importance of community support, especially for parents and caregivers dealing with health challenges. They emphasize patience, understanding, and the value of familial bonds in navigating life's complexities.

Notable Quotes:

• Kimberly Williams-Paisley ([66:53]): "If it's interfering with your daily life, then it's something to get checked out."
• Kate Hudson ([71:02]): "All the girls are supposed to come together and help each other raise each other's children. That's what we're meant to do."

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Conclusion: In this heartfelt episode of Sibling Revelry, Kate and Oliver Hudson engage in a deep and meaningful conversation with Kimberly Williams-Paisley and Ashley Williams. They explore their childhood, navigate personal and professional challenges, and celebrate the strength of their sibling bonds. Through laughter, vulnerability, and shared experiences, the episode offers listeners a genuine glimpse into what it's like to grow up with supportive brothers and sisters, inspiring others to cherish and nurture their own familial relationships.

Overall Themes:

• Sibling Support: Emphasizing the importance of having a strong support system within the family.
• Vulnerability and Honesty: Encouraging openness about personal struggles to foster connection and understanding.
• Balancing Public and Private Lives: Navigating careers in the public eye while maintaining personal boundaries and family relationships.
• Resilience: Overcoming personal and familial challenges through collective strength and compassion.

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Notable Quotes Summary:

1. "We wanted to do something that highlighted our relationship and what it's like to be siblings." — Kate Hudson ([03:16])
2. "It was so much more preferable to hiding it and feeling like I don't want anyone to know. That's exhausting." — Kimberly Williams-Paisley ([59:03])
3. "My big break came when I booked 'Father of the Bride' while I was a sophomore at Northwestern." — Kimberly Williams-Paisley ([25:08])
4. "I wish I had Ashley's full belly laugh that just rings throughout a room and changes the atmosphere." — Kimberly Williams-Paisley ([69:47])
5. "All the girls are supposed to come together and help each other raise each other's children. That's what we're meant to do." — Kate Hudson ([71:02])

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This comprehensive summary encapsulates the essence of the episode, highlighting key discussions and emotional moments that underscore the importance of sibling relationships and personal growth.

Transcript

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[Kimberly Williams-Paisley]

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[Kate Hudson]

Hi, I'm Kate Hudson.

[Oliver Hudson]

And my name is Oliver Hudson.

[Kate Hudson]

We wanted to do something that highlighted.

[Oliver Hudson]

Our relationship and what it's like to be siblings. We are. A sibling rivalry.

[Kate Hudson]

No, no.

[Oliver Hudson]

Sibling re. For free.

[Kate Hudson]

Don't do that with your mouth.

[Oliver Hudson]

Sibling revelry.

[Kate Hudson]

That's good. No, no, Oliver, I'm all right.

[Oliver Hudson]

I just had.

[Kate Hudson]

I don't. You're not.

[Kimberly Williams-Paisley]

Okay.

[Oliver Hudson]

I had a little eggs this morning, and I felt nauseous, but I went on a run and I almost threw up, and then I had a pitch meeting, and then I just had egg salad on a piece of toast, and I think I feel okay. Pretty good.

[Kate Hudson]

It's a lot of eggs.

[Oliver Hudson]

Yeah, well, you know what they say.

[Kate Hudson]

No, I don't.

[Oliver Hudson]

Well, let me tell you, an egg a day means that your cholesterol gets really high. Yeah. Andrew. Yeah, no, I'm. I'm okay. Cabo took it out of me. But now, you know, you were worried about a lot of things. I will say that I think that this. Yes, I did imbibe, but I think this was food.

[Kate Hudson]

Hold on. Mom is calling. She's worried about you. Hold on.

[Oliver Hudson]

No, she's not.

[Kate Hudson]

She's so worried about you. Hey, honey. Mommy, we're podcasting. Oh, okay. Mom, just for the sake of all of our listeners, are you worried about your son, Your firstborn? Oh, no, she's not.

[Kimberly Williams-Paisley]

Yeah.

[Kate Hudson]

Oh, no, no. She said, oh, yeah.

[Oliver Hudson]

Oh, no.

[Kate Hudson]

Well, actually, I'm, you know, worried about everybody.

[Oliver Hudson]

That's my problem. She should worry about more about my career than. Than my health.

[Kate Hudson]

Does a mother ever stop worry? No, she's not worried about you. She just loves you is what she's really saying. I do.

[Kimberly Williams-Paisley]

I love him.

[Oliver Hudson]

Okay.

[Kate Hudson]

Okay.

[Oliver Hudson]

Bye.

[Kate Hudson]

See you later. Goodbye.

[Kimberly Williams-Paisley]

Okay, Bye.

[Oliver Hudson]

Bye. Where are you going?

[Kate Hudson]

To see. Just to get. See an early screening of Song Sung Blue.

[Oliver Hudson]

Oh, that's right.

[Kate Hudson]

Yeah. And mom wants to come, so she's gonna come watch. Yeah, and Pa's gonna come, too.

[Oliver Hudson]

Oh, good.

[Kate Hudson]

Yeah.

[Kimberly Williams-Paisley]

I'm nervous.

[Kate Hudson]

I always get nervous before I see him.

[Oliver Hudson]

I know. I'm sure it'll be awesome.

[Kate Hudson]

I'm excited and nervous, and it'll be fun.

[Oliver Hudson]

It'll be great.

[Kimberly Williams-Paisley]

Okay. Okay.

[Kate Hudson]

Let's get.

[Oliver Hudson]

Let's get into it, because we've got to wait we got a waiting, gorgeous.

[Kate Hudson]

Beautiful, kind, sweet movie wife of yours at one point. Kimberly Williams and Ashley. Oh, yeah. One very talented. And Ashley Williams, her sissy. In our waiting room and our Zoom room.

[Oliver Hudson]

Should we open up the door? We haven't done that. We haven't opened up the door in a long time.

[Kate Hudson]

All right, let's let him in. Ready? Go. Ollie.

[Unknown]

Hey, you guys.

[Kate Hudson]

Hi.

[Kimberly Williams-Paisley]

How are you guys?

[Oliver Hudson]

We're good. I'm good. Kate's good. We're not together right now. We should be, but I just got back from Cabo, and I need some recovery.

[Kimberly Williams-Paisley]

He's.

[Kate Hudson]

He's feeling a little bit lazy. He went off the wagon. He'd been sober for a whole month, and then his. And then he was getting, you know, geared up to go to Cabo for a golf weekend.

[Oliver Hudson]

I didn't fall off the wagon, though. I leapt off the wagon.

[Kimberly Williams-Paisley]

Yeah. Actually, Ash and I were just talking about that because I was listening to your Brothers Osborne podcast where you were, like, bragging that you were off or on the wagon for 10 days or something. I was wondering if it's stuck. And now we know.

[Kate Hudson]

Oliver was. I got it. I got a picture at, like, 8:30 in the morning, and I was like, this is. This is just bad. And I. So I called Joe Buck, who he was with, and I was like, joe, don't do this to my brother. He's like, it's too late.

[Oliver Hudson]

Sister just called me and said, you need to look after him. And Joe. He gave it about 38 seconds of trying to look after me. I'm like, joe, Joe. Dude, come on. We're okay. I'm okay. I'm okay. I'll survive.

[Kate Hudson]

He's okay. He survived. We're back now. Where are you? Where are you guys? Are you both in Nashville or are you separate?

[Kimberly Williams-Paisley]

We're separate too. I'm sad. I'm in Nashville and Ash is in la.

[Kate Hudson]

Oh, wait. Where are you from originally?

[Kimberly Williams-Paisley]

New York.

[Kate Hudson]

Oh, you're New Yorker.

[Oliver Hudson]

Born and raised New York?

[Kimberly Williams-Paisley]

Yeah.

[Kate Hudson]

In the city?

[Unknown]

No, in New York. But it's not. It's. You know, what I always say is I was born in Yonkers, which is sort of true. It was called Bronkers, which is like, just north. Was like Bronxville. Yonkers is just north of the Bronx, basically. And then we moved up to Westchester County.

[Kimberly Williams-Paisley]

Well, Yonkers is in Westchester, isn't it? But it's not the nicest part of Westchester, but I'm proud of it.

[Unknown]

It's like the armpit of Westchester.

[Kimberly Williams-Paisley]

It Is it. Is. It's kind of nice to be in the armpit.

[Oliver Hudson]

And were you the. Were you the only siblings, or were there more?

[Kimberly Williams-Paisley]

Yeah, we have a middle brother, Jay, who's awesome.

[Kate Hudson]

Oh, it's like the opposite of me. It's the opposite of me. But he's the boy, so it's like. So he has his own thing, which is good, because I'm the middle of boys.

[Kimberly Williams-Paisley]

Okay, well, Jay sandwiched between these two, like, actresses. How annoying is that for Jay? So he became a firefighter and, like, became a hero, and then he got tired of that, and now he's a beekeeper. So he's, like, got his zen on, and he's amazing. He's so cool. But he doesn't get to do fun things like this enough.

[Kate Hudson]

Where does he live?

[Oliver Hudson]

That's cool.

[Kimberly Williams-Paisley]

It's really cool. He lives in Tennessee. He lives five minutes down the road, so I actually should have invited him over.

[Kate Hudson]

That would have been.

[Unknown]

Is he gonna be mad?

[Kimberly Williams-Paisley]

Yeah, I'm the asshole. Yeah. That was really great.

[Unknown]

Right now.

[Kate Hudson]

You could. It could have been all three of you. Because it's easy if it's a boy and two girls, because then you can, like, decipher if it's three girls. It's hard because you can't really tell who's talking.

[Kimberly Williams-Paisley]

Yeah.

[Kate Hudson]

And how close are you guys? Like, what is the. What is the age difference of everybody?

[Kimberly Williams-Paisley]

We're seven years apart, and. And then Jay's the middle child, and Ash, I've always been obsessed with. We've always been really, really close. Like, when my parents brought Ashley home from the hospital, I. My first thought was that she smelled bad, but that I got over it.

[Unknown]

I smell bad.

[Kimberly Williams-Paisley]

Yeah. I mean, that's just. Comes with Ashley.

[Oliver Hudson]

How was that age difference growing up? And, you know, when did you actually sort of get close or were you always close?

[Kimberly Williams-Paisley]

Do you want to talk about what I did to you?

[Unknown]

Oh, my God.

[Kate Hudson]

Yes.

[Unknown]

So that's my. Yeah, you're totally right. Like, everything that you need to know about me is just. I'm the third born, so my entire ethos in life is like, can I play again? It's either can I play or are you mad at me?

[Oliver Hudson]

Yeah.

[Unknown]

Directions. Yeah, I was like. I was just obsessed with my sister growing up. I just wanted to, like, be her, like, we and, like, making it weird, you know, And. But Kim came up with this genius game, which was called Fetch. Kim, do you want to tell them the rules of fetch?

[Kimberly Williams-Paisley]

Yeah, I mean, it's like, the game that we're all familiar with, but we lived in this three story house on a hill. So I had a tennis ball and I was like feeling independent. And I adored Ashley, but she really wanted a lot of attention. So I came up with this game where if I took the tennis ball and I threw it out of my third story window, it would fly out of the house and down the hill. And I just turned to Ash and I go fetch. And it bought me. It bought me like a good 15 minutes sometimes. And she loved it.

[Oliver Hudson]

Oh my God, that is amazing. That is funny. Did your parents know about this?

[Kimberly Williams-Paisley]

Yeah, they suppose the 70s. They're like, yeah, that sounds fun.

[Oliver Hudson]

They're like cool, man. Like, that's so, like progressive.

[Kimberly Williams-Paisley]

They're being so independent. And then there was the time, Ash, that I was walking you in the stroller. And again, we were up on a hill on this like steep road and my dad remembers looking out the window and I. Ashley was like, I'm taking her for a walk and there she is in the stroller. And I got distracted and let go of the stroller. And my father watched the stroller just rolling down the road to another. There was another road and it was terrifying. And she could have died. Oh, no.

[Kate Hudson]

Oh no.

[Kimberly Williams-Paisley]

She did not. The straight. Look at her. She's fine.

[Oliver Hudson]

She's fine.

[Kate Hudson]

She's still here. Oh, my God, that would be so. Oh my God, that would be. I would die. I would die of a heart attack if that was.

[Kimberly Williams-Paisley]

Oh my God, the stroller just tipped over, I think. Right, Ashton?

[Unknown]

Right. It was the stroller's fault.

[Kimberly Williams-Paisley]

Cheap thing.

[Kate Hudson]

Do you feel like Jay, since being sort of smack dab in the middle of both of you does, was he sort of like off in his own world and you guys, you were like babying the baby.

[Unknown]

Our brother.

[Kate Hudson]

Yeah.

[Unknown]

Honestly, like, what Kim said earlier is really true, which is like we were really loud. And I think Jay was always trying to negotiate his own space. Like, you know, where does. Where does he fit it? It's a. It's a middle kid thing, I think. Relevant, you know, he's like a little caught. But I remember being like really jealous of you guys, Kim. Because every time, like you were talking, I'd be like, what are they talking about? Why? You know, that was hard.

[Kimberly Williams-Paisley]

It's hard with three.

[Kate Hudson]

And how many years older is Jay from you?

[Unknown]

He's four years older than me.

[Kimberly Williams-Paisley]

Yeah. Okay, Three years younger than me.

[Kate Hudson]

Oh, so they spread them out pretty good.

[Kimberly Williams-Paisley]

They did, yeah.

[Unknown]

An accident.

[Kimberly Williams-Paisley]

I was too. There were. Yeah, there were two Accidents. There.

[Oliver Hudson]

Everyone. Everyone was an accident. That's interesting.

[Unknown]

Wait, you might have been an accident.

[Kimberly Williams-Paisley]

I was. I was an accident, and. And you were an accident. Jay was totally planned. Oh, that was my understanding.

[Unknown]

How did they tell you that?

[Kimberly Williams-Paisley]

Oh, I knew. I knew too much. Again, it was the 70s. They told me way too much.

[Oliver Hudson]

That's a funny concept, that all the kids were accidents.

[Kimberly Williams-Paisley]

There's no problem telling them.

[Kate Hudson]

What did your parents do?

[Kimberly Williams-Paisley]

They were writers, so mom and dad were competing journalists. And when they got married, they moved to England and they both got. They both had no money, and they were trying to, like, out scoop each other as journalists. And actually, when they got back to New York, they were on competing newspapers. And, like, one of them worked the night shift and one worked the day shift, and they were. They were, like, stealing each other's stories, and they'd write each other these long, like, journals about what their day or what their night was like. It was really, like, sweet and romantic, but they had no money, and both sets of their parents thought it would never work. Like, they were. They were concerned for their welfare. And they started by going over to England and, like, pounding the payment there. And then they had the accident, which is me, and that's when they decided to come back.

[Oliver Hudson]

Did they have the accident in London?

[Kimberly Williams-Paisley]

Yes. I was conceived in London. My dad, again, too much information, gave me the address. And one time I went and saw the place. I was like, me, too.

[Kate Hudson]

I was conceived in London, too.

[Kimberly Williams-Paisley]

You were. We were almost British.

[Kate Hudson]

That's right.

[Oliver Hudson]

Were you in an actual bed?

[Kimberly Williams-Paisley]

They didn't tell me that part.

[Oliver Hudson]

I think I was. I think I was Omaha, Nebraska, in a bathroom.

[Kate Hudson]

Oh, wow, that tracks. I was. I was, like, on Regents park in, like, you know, a canopy bed.

[Kimberly Williams-Paisley]

Oh, that's so nice.

[Kate Hudson]

Civilized.

[Kimberly Williams-Paisley]

I was in some dingy apartment. My parents were moving around so much that they didn't have an address for the checks they were hoping to receive, like, daily. So they had, like, an American Express box, like a mailbox or something, and they'd have to go check that because they were moving around apartments. They were kind of homeless a little bit.

[Unknown]

And, Kim, your first, like, little bassinet was a drawer.

[Kimberly Williams-Paisley]

It was. Yeah. That works. Yeah, yeah.

[Unknown]

In the drawer.

[Kimberly Williams-Paisley]

Wow.

[Kate Hudson]

They made a little cushion in the drawer.

[Kimberly Williams-Paisley]

Yeah. That's why I like small spaces.

[Oliver Hudson]

That's smart. Because they can just close the drawer and pretend like the accident didn't happen.

[Kimberly Williams-Paisley]

Right.

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[Kate Hudson]

What kind of journalism? Was it like political or.

[Unknown]

Our dad actually has a Pulitzer. It was. Yeah, it was like hard. Yeah. It was like revealing secrets and. Ms. I don't know, Kim, how do you.

[Kimberly Williams-Paisley]

He was, he was covering the IRA or. Yeah. The war in Ireland and. And the Pulitzer was for something else. I think it was for like child labor laws or something. And he was part of a team that won that award, so.

[Kate Hudson]

So he was more like investigative journalism.

[Kimberly Williams-Paisley]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Cool.

[Kate Hudson]

And mom and your mom similar.

[Kimberly Williams-Paisley]

It was less investigative, but she was an amazing writer. And then when we came along, she went more into development. So she actually helped create these, like, fundraising programs at a college and then at Sloan Kettering Cancer center. And then her last job was at the Michael J. Fox foundation for Parkinson's. So she kind of moved out of journalism. But they both started in journalism.

[Kate Hudson]

So I'm assuming that your childhood was like, education was important.

[Kimberly Williams-Paisley]

Yes.

[Kate Hudson]

Was it something? Yeah. So I say that because it wasn't for our family.

[Kimberly Williams-Paisley]

Yeah, well, you didn't need it to be.

[Oliver Hudson]

But was it important to you guys?

[Kimberly Williams-Paisley]

That probably varies between us, don't you think, Ash?

[Unknown]

We had different parents. We had the same parents, but they were, they were.

[Oliver Hudson]

Well, it's funny because that's a question that we would probably get into and we about talked talk about all the time, especially being a seven year gap. But even if it's a two year gap, two and a half year gap, the perspective on our parents are always a little bit different and they raise us a little bit differently. So where you think one thing, you know, Ashley might think another. So specifically, kind of, how did it vary, you know?

[Kimberly Williams-Paisley]

Yeah, it varied a lot because I was the firstborn. So with me, they were very meticulous and to teach me the meaning of the word no, they decided that I wasn't going to be allowed to touch this coffee table. And it wasn't even that it was like a delicate coffee table. They were just like, oh, yes, we must teach her the meaning of the word no. And there were lots of rules and I was very strict. And then Ashley, tell. By the time they got to you, I was like, I think we're also.

[Unknown]

Like really different people. And I think the parenting kind of adapted. I don't know which came first. Who knows?

[Kimberly Williams-Paisley]

Or they got tired.

[Unknown]

They were definitely burnt out by the time they got to me. And I definitely was way more of, like, a precocious crazy. Like, I was very. Like, I was always taking my clothes off and running around and screaming.

[Kimberly Williams-Paisley]

That's so true.

[Kate Hudson]

Oh, my God.

[Unknown]

With me, they were like, we need to. Like, they. They felt like they weren't saying no to you, and that's why they invented the rule about the coffee table.

[Kimberly Williams-Paisley]

Right.

[Unknown]

It was like they were trying to keep me alive and trying to keep my diaper on.

[Kimberly Williams-Paisley]

I remember that's how you got different priorities. Yeah. You got in the most trouble when you were little. I'd be like, ashley's naked again. I remember you just always took your clothes off and you.

[Unknown]

Reliable laugh.

[Kimberly Williams-Paisley]

Yeah, that's true.

[Oliver Hudson]

Yeah.

[Kate Hudson]

Some kids, like. Some kids, yeah.

[Unknown]

Oh, you, like, look in my eyes, like, yeah, Ronnie.

[Kate Hudson]

Ronnie's really into mooning now. I'm for sure she learned this from her Uncle Oliver, but, like, she's really into mooning. Yeah.

[Oliver Hudson]

Her brother hot these days. It's. It's in.

[Kate Hudson]

I'm like, ronnie, you can't do that, sweetheart. She just loves it.

[Kimberly Williams-Paisley]

She.

[Kate Hudson]

I know some kids love to be naked.

[Kimberly Williams-Paisley]

Yeah.

[Kate Hudson]

You know, it's just a thing.

[Oliver Hudson]

Feels better.

[Kate Hudson]

Yeah. It's definitely freeing. It's definitely freeing. I. I. Were you. Were you guys all good at school or was there.

[Unknown]

You were better at school than I was, Kim.

[Kimberly Williams-Paisley]

Yeah, I was better at it, but we have different kinds of brains.

[Unknown]

Yeah, I have. I have adhd. I think you guys do, too, right? Didn't I read that?

[Kate Hudson]

Yeah, why not? But.

[Unknown]

Yeah, so school was always just really confusing for me. Like, I always felt like I couldn't understand what question people were trying to ask me, and I still don't. And, like, three steps.

[Kate Hudson]

Yeah.

[Unknown]

Or ahead. I don't know.

[Kate Hudson]

That's like. That's like me when someone asks me a question in an interview. I start answering it, and then I start talking. And then, like, all. Then I'm like, I don't. I don't. I'm. No idea what you asked. I have no idea what I'm talking about.

[Unknown]

And then you're like, wait, how long was I out?

[Kate Hudson]

Like, yeah, you're like, what am I talking about?

[Oliver Hudson]

Right, Right. And then I was like, land the plane, Kate. Land the plane. And she's.

[Ryan Seacrest]

I can't.

[Oliver Hudson]

We're circling.

[Unknown]

Oh, Kim was a lot more, like, metered. You know?

[Kate Hudson]

Yeah. Linear, boring. A student?

[Unknown]

Yeah.

[Kate Hudson]

What. What got you into the arts? Like, when did you fall in love with performing?

[Kimberly Williams-Paisley]

Well, when I was, like, five, I wanted to be an actor. Did you put on shows with me in the living room? Did we do that together? Yeah. So that's when I started. And then we. We lived next door to Anna Holbrook, who is a soap opera actress, and she was the first real actor that we ever met. And I was like, oh, my gosh, you can do this for a job. And she took my first headshots and really, like, she would take me to the soap. She worked on Another World, and when I'd show up with her, it was, like, the happiest. I just loved being on a set. I thought it was so much fun. And that was all I ever really wanted to do or write. But acting was. Acting was the more fun option.

[Oliver Hudson]

When did you go to college?

[Kimberly Williams-Paisley]

Yeah, I went to Northwestern.

[Oliver Hudson]

You did?

[Kimberly Williams-Paisley]

Yeah. And then Ash started when you were. You start. We both started when we were really young, auditioning and acting.

[Unknown]

Like specific deciding moment. Kim, which was when you booked that National Dairy commercial.

[Kimberly Williams-Paisley]

Yeah, my big break.

[Unknown]

Kim made more, as in like, basically an extra in this National Dairy commercial than my parents had made in, like, the last 10 years.

[Kimberly Williams-Paisley]

Yeah.

[Unknown]

My mom was like, you're all doing this. So we would, like, pile into the Buick after school every day and, like, go in and go to, like, go sees and, you know, the. The city was only like 35 minutes away, so we would, like, we go. We went. I got agents and. And we all started working.

[Kimberly Williams-Paisley]

Yeah, you were. You were very successful.

[Unknown]

Oh, you stop.

[Kimberly Williams-Paisley]

Go ahead, tell them.

[Unknown]

No, I wasn't. Please. I was definitely not.

[Oliver Hudson]

You did something she's talking about.

[Unknown]

I think she might be talking about. I got on as the World Turns. Is that what you're talking about?

[Kimberly Williams-Paisley]

Yeah. You were on a soap opera, like, all during high school. High school.

[Unknown]

I was on a soap opera. Yeah.

[Kate Hudson]

We were watching this new one. That's a Tyler Perry soap opera. Have you seen this?

[Oliver Hudson]

Yeah, I love it. They're like daylight. I like how, like, got it back. They're like, we're gonna go full as.

[Kate Hudson]

Soap as you can get.

[Oliver Hudson]

Yeah.

[Kate Hudson]

And it was fun. I was like, I missed the soap opera.

[Oliver Hudson]

Yeah.

[Kimberly Williams-Paisley]

But.

[Kate Hudson]

But so when you said that, I got excited. That that was. That must have been exciting.

[Unknown]

There's nothing like the soaps you guys like. It's the craziest, most hilarious training, you know, like, oh, I'm sure 25 pages a day and all the actors in New York who are on soaps were like Juilliard grads and they were on Broadway and they were like, like, you know, and. And so I was around them all day long and they were giving me advice and talking to me and saying like, don't ever do drugs and, you know, helping me with memorizing lines. And it was amazing. It was so fun.

[Kate Hudson]

But yeah, that's like a master class in learning lines. Must have been. Yeah.

[Unknown]

But you guys, when I was in fifth grade, Kim was a freshman at Northwestern and she booked Father the Bride.

[Kimberly Williams-Paisley]

I booked it when I was a sophomore. Yeah.

[Oliver Hudson]

Oh, really? That's when.

[Kate Hudson]

Oh my God. Oh my God, that was huge.

[Kimberly Williams-Paisley]

Yeah. And also the weird thing, so I was 19 and I auditioned in Chicago and then got had to fly out to LA twice for follow up callbacks and a screen test and all this. And the whole time I'm like, there's no way I'm getting this because that's just too big. And the weekend that I found out Ash, you were visiting Northwestern, and my mom and Jay and Ash were all visiting and we went to see a show and those was. That was before cell phones. So I was like running to pay phones to like check in with my agent because if we knew it's down to the wire, it was like me and one other person. And. And I checked in at the intermission of this show in Chicago and my agent told me I got it. We all were just like, what the hell is happening?

[Unknown]

You. And I remember, you go, shut up, Mom. And I like, look at each other and we're like, what's happening? I was in fourth grade and we're in. Were in like the lobby of a hotel theater. Yeah, a theater. Hi. A theater lobby.

[Kimberly Williams-Paisley]

And.

[Unknown]

Yeah. And she, she goes, shut up. And did we go back in for the rest of the.

[Kimberly Williams-Paisley]

No, I don't think we saw the rest of the play because they said, we need you to get on a plane to LA tomorrow.

[Oliver Hudson]

Oh, wow.

[Kimberly Williams-Paisley]

Yeah. And it was, it was so funny because they're like, you need to book your own ticket for the flight because where it was like a Sunday or something and they're like, make it first class and we'll reimburse you.

[Unknown]

My parents are like, away.

[Kimberly Williams-Paisley]

Yeah. I've never flown first class. So I had to go back to my dorm room and pack up my dorm. And thank God you guys were there. Yes, thank God you guys were there because it was so terrifying.

[Oliver Hudson]

How old, how old were you?

[Kate Hudson]

Wait, was that it for you? For college?

[Kimberly Williams-Paisley]

No, I did go back, but I was 19. I was a sophomore. I was 19. So I quit in the middle of the year and moved out to la. It was so terrifying.

[Unknown]

In the middle of. You had like a dance perform performance that you were.

[Kimberly Williams-Paisley]

I had to miss it. I know. I was miss. I was stressed about my class.

[Unknown]

Intense dance team. Right. And she, like, you were so worried that the teacher was going to be mad at you.

[Kimberly Williams-Paisley]

And I still feel bad about that. Father.

[Kate Hudson]

Father of the Bride was like. I mean, I think for me at my age, that move, that movie was like.

[Oliver Hudson]

Yeah.

[Kate Hudson]

Oh, my God. Was everything.

[Unknown]

Imagine being 10 years old.

[Oliver Hudson]

Yeah.

[Unknown]

Your hero is the girl from Father the Bride.

[Kate Hudson]

Yeah.

[Unknown]

Person that you. That has cradled you. Like, it was. It was like, suddenly she was my idol. Everybody. Suddenly she was everybody's idol. I was so weirded out. I was.

[Kimberly Williams-Paisley]

We were also weirded out. Yeah. And everyone was telling me, like, don't change, don't. Like, they all felt like they were going to lose me for coming back. And I remember you guys took me to the airport and we were all just sobbing. And you, like, pressed this. You had like this little saint. Do you remember? You had this tiny little saint thing that you gave me, which is weird because neither one of us is very religious. You became religious in that moment.

[Oliver Hudson]

Like a St. Christopher.

[Kimberly Williams-Paisley]

Yeah, it was like a saint. I don't know, like a traveling. I. I remember you gave it to me. Maybe it was Jay, but anyway, I just remember it was you. Yeah. Yeah. You took my life. And I don't have it anymore, by the way. Sorry.

[Oliver Hudson]

Okay, well, hold on. Going back even before Ashley, when she left for college, I mean, was that devastating?

[Unknown]

Oh, my God. I was thinking about this yesterday because I was in fourth grade when she went to Northwestern. And I think I was like, thinking about, like, a little. Honestly, yesterday. I was like, why am I like, so. Like, I had, like, such a, you know, great family, great child. I'm like, you know what it was? It was when Kim went to Northwestern. I got so up, he was gone. She was like, my. My home base, you know. And I like the day she left for college, I remember just sobbing. Like, I went to the pay phone and I'm, you know, I'm in fourth grade and I was just sobbing. I had to go to the nurse. I couldn't stop crying. College today. I was a mess. The biggest sort of the first, like, traumas of my childhood.

[Kate Hudson]

And Kimberly, you probably. Did you even think about it?

[Kimberly Williams-Paisley]

Nah.

[Kate Hudson]

Yeah. It's so. I feel that way about Wyatt, because with my younger brother, I' Like, I didn't even think. But now that we're older, it was, like, devastating for him when we all left.

[Kimberly Williams-Paisley]

Yeah, no, I definitely. I mean, it was hard for me, but I had so much to face and so many mountains to climb on my own, that. That's much more what I was focused on. But it's weird, guys, because now I'm about to send my oldest off to college, which is such a strange thing if you guys. You haven't done that, have you?

[Oliver Hudson]

Well, yeah, Kate's.

[Kate Hudson]

Kate's 21, right?

[Kimberly Williams-Paisley]

Oh, my gosh.

[Kate Hudson]

So how did you survive? Well, I'm like 12 in comparison to, like, you know, like, I feel like we grew up together, so I think I'll feel differently with Ronnie, my. My little. My little one. But with Ryder, I was sort of like, yeah, this. I thought I was going to be much more emotional. I really wasn't. I was excited for him. And then there was just a moment with him when I was. And I've said this before on the show, but, like, you know, when. When I was making a coffee in the morning and I realized that his energy wasn't in the space anymore.

[Oliver Hudson]

That's really what it is.

[Kate Hudson]

Yeah, it just. I just bawled my eyes out at the coffee machine.

[Oliver Hudson]

Yeah.

[Kate Hudson]

Because it was like, totally. You have this routine, like you. You have this little world that you've created for, you know, so many years, and then they're gone and they're not there every morning. And Ryder, in particular is like the. He's the goofy one. He's the one who's cracking jokes in the morning, and all of a sudden the room is, like, much more serious.

[Oliver Hudson]

No, I know, but the energy thing is real because my kid's going to college next year, and I'm sort of catastrophizing about what that's gonna feel like. Passing his room, and there's just no one in there. It's not like he. And we sit down and have incredible conversations as a teenager, and he says, dad, how was your day? I mean, that doesn't happen. He's a fucking teenager. Right. But his energy, just the presence alone, is just devastating. It's devastating that. That won't be there.

[Unknown]

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[Kate Hudson]

How are you preparing for it? Is this next year?

[Kimberly Williams-Paisley]

It'll be in the fall, so, yeah, it's coming up. He's actually got to decide on where he's going in, like, 48 hours.

[Oliver Hudson]

Oh, my gosh.

[Kate Hudson]

Did he get into the schools that he wanted to get into?

[Kimberly Williams-Paisley]

For the most part, yeah. He's definitely, like, the choices he has, he's very excited about. And he's narrowed it down to three, so I. You know, and it's actually a relief to me that I don't have to decide. He can. You know, he gets to decide which is a great place to be.

[Kate Hudson]

Are they close to home at all?

[Kimberly Williams-Paisley]

He probably will not be.

[Unknown]

One of them is a little bit closer than the other.

[Kimberly Williams-Paisley]

Yeah, but not really. I mean, it's not like I can drive.

[Kate Hudson]

Still a flight away.

[Oliver Hudson]

My wife's like, what about, like, Santa Barbara? Barbara? She goes, what about ucla? We live, like, three minutes from ucla. And Wilder. His name's Wilder. He's like, no way. He goes, I'm out of state. I'm going out of state.

[Kimberly Williams-Paisley]

And I'm like, okay, yeah, that's what Huck said. And. And I respect that. That's what I did. But, yeah, I mean, I feel like it's. I've been preparing for the entire year, and maybe last year, too. It's. Maybe I've been preparing for this my whole life. I actually have this piece of scribble from a little piece of paper, that note that Huck wrote me, like, when he was, like, nine, that said, all badly misspelled. Come visit me in college. You promise? And he signed it because that was like, when I told him college was happening one day, you know, and. And I kept that. And I'm gonna. I'm gonna take him up on. I have to visit. Cause I promised when he was, like, 8 or 9.

[Kate Hudson]

It's so funny, isn't it? The cycle of, like, you know, I. Life, like, I. I sometimes think about even just a hundred years ago, how different it was. Kids left earlier, like, and, you know, you know, it least we get an extra probably four years before, like, 15, 16. Like, kids are like, wander out into the world, which, when you think about that, is pretty wild.

[Oliver Hudson]

And actually, you have a couple kids, right?

[Unknown]

Yeah, I have two kids. But, you guys, it's like, my kids are 7 and 10 and good in the, like, oh, my God, I can't believe I have another 10 years.

[Oliver Hudson]

Right?

[Unknown]

I'm, like, pretty tired, you know? Know, I'm super psyched. Like, right now they're at school and I'm like, you know.

[Oliver Hudson]

Yeah.

[Unknown]

It's just a different. And I understand. Everybody's telling me, like, this, like, treasure these years. It goes, you know, by so fast.

[Oliver Hudson]

I know, I know.

[Unknown]

I know when it's gonna start going by fast because it.

[Oliver Hudson]

When they're. When they're leaving, you're like, holy, what happened? And then the Apple memory. Memories that on the phone, they don't help matters much, you know, where they're trying to create, like, nostalgia and they just create pain and devastation.

[Kate Hudson]

You just gotta do what I did and spread them out over your entire adult life.

[Kimberly Williams-Paisley]

Yeah.

[Kate Hudson]

Because by the time. What? You know, I could still have another one if I want. It's like, by the time one of them has happened, I'm a grandparent, you know, I'll still have, like, the last one in the house, and then I'll have grandkids, kids. It's like, you just gotta spread them out.

[Kimberly Williams-Paisley]

That's perfect. I bet you guys have the best family, like, Sunday dinner or, like, you know, family reunions. It must be so fun in your family. It is pretty fun.

[Oliver Hudson]

You know, we've actually been together a lot lately.

[Kate Hudson]

Yeah, we have. It's actually really nice. And usually it's. It's. Yeah, the fires in LA really, like, brought it. We. Christmas, and then the fires brought us all together.

[Oliver Hudson]

10 minutes from each other anyway, you know, that's great.

[Kate Hudson]

But there was something about it that kind of, like, made us all go, like, we need to spend as much time with each other as possible and. But you're right, like, last night, Oliver didn't come because he was too. You know, he's gonna have a weak hangover. But Kate.

[Oliver Hudson]

No, it was. I ate something bad.

[Kate Hudson]

Sure I did. But my mom and dad came over with buddy wife and mayor's kid and the. And Ronnie. And then Rio came over and we have this sort of, like. It's just fun. We have these, like, rotating houses of kids, and it's always one kid somewhere with another one of the families. You know, all the cousins are, like.

[Oliver Hudson]

Best friends, too, you know.

[Kimberly Williams-Paisley]

That's great. We have a lot of cousins, too. We have seven boys between the three siblings, and they're all, like, two years apart. So mine is the oldest. And then it goes down to Leo, who's the youngest. So. Yeah, they. They love getting together.

[Oliver Hudson]

And how long have you been married to Brad?

[Kimberly Williams-Paisley]

Like, 22 years. We can't keep track. We. The other day, we couldn't figure out if it was 23 or 22.

[Unknown]

The number goes up.

[Oliver Hudson]

And together. Were you together for longer? I mean, like, 20.

[Kimberly Williams-Paisley]

Not much longer. We were together for, like, a year and a half.

[Oliver Hudson]

Yeah.

[Kimberly Williams-Paisley]

And then we got married.

[Oliver Hudson]

And did he approach you at, like, some bar and be like, what's up, baby? Movie like that.

[Kimberly Williams-Paisley]

What's up, y' all? No, the. The story is actually about Father the Bride. He went and saw Father the Bride with his girlfriend at the time, and. And then it was, like, their movie, and they saw it a bunch of times while they dated for, like, a couple years or whatever. And then he moved to Nashville, and she broke his heart, and he, like, wrote these amazing songs about it. And. And. And then had this idea when the Father of the Bride sequel came out, that maybe he and this girl would have a sequel. It was really kind of cute and romantic and maybe naive. And so he went to the same theater where they'd had their first date, thinking, if she thinks about it the way I'm thinking about it, she'll also show up to the sequel. And so he stayed. He saw the movie. She didn't show up. He left the movie, went out into the parking lot, and then was like, oh, shit. Was it the seven or was it the nine that we went to? I'm not sure. So he literally went back and bought a second ticket.

[Kate Hudson]

Oh, my God.

[Kimberly Williams-Paisley]

He didn't stay for the second showing, but he did did have the ticket. And he looked for her. She didn't come. And then he wound up going home and writing, like, great songs. And. And the ticket stub for father the Bride 2 is in his album Art for Part 2, which was his second album.

[Oliver Hudson]

That's a great story.

[Kimberly Williams-Paisley]

Yeah.

[Oliver Hudson]

Did he go to Father the opening of Father by two just hoping she would randomly show up, or did he invite her?

[Kimberly Williams-Paisley]

It was. No, he didn't even tell her about it. But it was December 28, which was the date of their first date. So it was like a date that they talked about. It was his mom's birthday, coincidentally, so that's how he remembered it. And it was something that they had always known was, like, their first date date. And he just thought, well, if she's. Because I guess she'd been trying to get back together with him. And he thought, well, if she's thinking the same. Along the same lines, if she's romantic like I am, then she'll come. So she didn't. Lucky for me or not, I don't know. So he went and he wrote all these, like, amazing songs from it. And, like, his career launched after that. And then, like, seven years later, he woke up with this idea like, oh, I should call that girl who was in Father the Bride. And, like, that's the story he goes with. I'm like, maybe he was stalking me somehow.

[Oliver Hudson]

Yeah.

[Kimberly Williams-Paisley]

Yeah.

[Oliver Hudson]

And you just get a random cold call.

[Kimberly Williams-Paisley]

Like, I got a cold call. Yeah. And I had just told my agents that I wanted to do a music video. I was interested in doing a music video because I'd never done one. I. I thought it'd be fun to be, like, a Robert Plant girl or something. I wasn't expecting a country music video, but he literally called, like, a few days later, and I was like, yeah, that sounds fun. So that was kind of his pickup line.

[Kate Hudson]

So you were in his video?

[Kimberly Williams-Paisley]

Well, it was literally a pickup line because by the time, like, we'd already been dating for, like, two months. And I was like, whatever happened to that video you said you wanted me to do? So I finally did do a video with. With him, but. But it took some time.

[Oliver Hudson]

That's a good story.

[Kimberly Williams-Paisley]

Cute.

[Oliver Hudson]

Cute story.

[Kate Hudson]

So he really, deep down, was always attracted to you, even though it sort of projected into the girl that he saw the movie with. It really was you all along?

[Kimberly Williams-Paisley]

I don't know. I guess you have to ask him.

[Kate Hudson]

And now. And now three kids later, 22 years.

[Kimberly Williams-Paisley]

We have two kids. Jay has three. Yeah, we have two. Jay has three, and Ash has two.

[Kate Hudson]

Okay. Okay. And are you and. And boy and girl or two boys?

[Kimberly Williams-Paisley]

I have two boys. We all have everyone's boys.

[Kate Hudson]

Oh, there's not one girl?

[Kimberly Williams-Paisley]

No. Isn't that weird?

[Kate Hudson]

That's wild.

[Kimberly Williams-Paisley]

I know.

[Kate Hudson]

Well, my. My partner comes from three boys, so it's Fujikawa. There's three brothers, and he had a girl. His brother had two girls, and his brother right now is having a girl. There's no boy voice.

[Unknown]

Oh, my God.

[Kimberly Williams-Paisley]

We need to hook them up. They need to meet up.

[Kate Hudson]

I know, exactly.

[Oliver Hudson]

Ashley, is your husband in the business?

[Unknown]

Yeah, my husband's a producer.

[Oliver Hudson]

Is he?

[Unknown]

Yeah.

[Oliver Hudson]

Okay, so he gets the life.

[Kimberly Williams-Paisley]

He does.

[Unknown]

Yeah. I mean, it's also. I think it's, you know, we have, like, a rule that nobody can work out of town during the school year.

[Oliver Hudson]

Right.

[Unknown]

I've. You know, it. I've been leaving a little bit more during the school year, and I think. Think he's annoyed. Understandably so, because he seems to be always the one in charge of the kids.

[Kimberly Williams-Paisley]

But you're kicking ass. You're doing so well. That's why you have to keep leaving town.

[Oliver Hudson]

Yeah.

[Unknown]

So bad.

[Kimberly Williams-Paisley]

Tell them what you're doing.

[Kate Hudson]

What are you doing right now?

[Kimberly Williams-Paisley]

Oh my gosh.

[Unknown]

Thanks for asking. Well, you know, I do these movies, these Hallmark Christmas movies. So fun. So I'm. I just got back from Spain and I was just doing.

[Kate Hudson]

Oh, fine.

[Unknown]

Yeah. And now I'm gonna go actually to. To shoot another one in the French Alps. They're like sending me.

[Oliver Hudson]

Oh my God, that's awesome.

[Kate Hudson]

So fun. So you know Paul?

[Oliver Hudson]

Paul Green?

[Kate Hudson]

Green.

[Unknown]

I sure do. How do you know?

[Kimberly Williams-Paisley]

Yeah, I've known.

[Oliver Hudson]

We've known Paul forever and ever. He used to model with my wife a billion years ago. And then Angie was his ex wife and. And Aaron and Angie are best friends and blah, blah.

[Kate Hudson]

And then Angie became my best friend because we were both young mommies together. We had like kids and we were like 20, early 20s.

[Oliver Hudson]

Became like a Hallmark king and he was in every Christmas movie and you know, that whole time.

[Unknown]

He's so kind.

[Oliver Hudson]

He's the sweetest, kindest man.

[Kate Hudson]

She's a great.

[Kimberly Williams-Paisley]

He.

[Unknown]

We do that. Kim and I do this big fundraiser for the Alzheimer's association every year. And Kim, he performs. Performed this year and last year, I think. Oh yeah, the dance party, which was really cool.

[Oliver Hudson]

But yeah, I'm sure he played like Hallelujah. And then he probably played like he loves it.

[Unknown]

And then you know what he did? He did the monster mash because it was Halloween. Like he murdered it.

[Oliver Hudson]

Oh, that's cute. Well, God damn it. You're doing Hallmark movies in cool ass places. I did one Hallmark movie and it was in Winnipeg.

[Kate Hudson]

So, you know, it's just your karma, Ollie.

[Unknown]

Well, to be clear, I've done Hallmark movies in Canada for, you know, for the last 10 years.

[Oliver Hudson]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. But like the Swiss, French Alps or whatever.

[Kate Hudson]

It's like how many holiday movies do they do a year?

[Unknown]

They do 100 original movies a year.

[Kimberly Williams-Paisley]

Wow.

[Unknown]

Guys, homework is amazing. It's insane. Incredible. Well, run machine.

[Oliver Hudson]

I just finished what Netflix is. Netflix is in that holiday space now too. I just did one. Just finished one with the Lisa Silverstone.

[Kimberly Williams-Paisley]

Is it a Christmas one?

[Oliver Hudson]

Yep. And I was in Canada again. Toronto in the winter.

[Kimberly Williams-Paisley]

That's where we shot Christmas Chronicles.

[Oliver Hudson]

No, I know.

[Kate Hudson]

We didn't even get into that. I gotta get into.

[Oliver Hudson]

I played Kim's dead husband.

[Kimberly Williams-Paisley]

My dead husband. And we had a lovely time together.

[Oliver Hudson]

We did.

[Kimberly Williams-Paisley]

Despite you being dead. We had really a good time.

[Oliver Hudson]

My face and, like, the Christmas ornament, like, whatever our name is. Like, never die or whatever. I don't even remember, by the way, how much do you get recognized for that? That movie is just so iconic in the Christmas game.

[Unknown]

So good.

[Kimberly Williams-Paisley]

People love it. It's. It's really good.

[Oliver Hudson]

It really is. It really was fun. So just a cool, fun movie.

[Kimberly Williams-Paisley]

So when does your latest one come out?

[Oliver Hudson]

I think November.

[Kimberly Williams-Paisley]

Fun.

[Oliver Hudson]

Yeah, it was fun. It was good. It was sweet. It was cute, you know?

[Kate Hudson]

But now you're both hosting.

[Unknown]

Oh, my God.

[Kimberly Williams-Paisley]

Gosh.

[Unknown]

Yeah.

[Kate Hudson]

I have all of it right here.

[Oliver Hudson]

What are you doing? What are you hosting?

[Kate Hudson]

All the information.

[Unknown]

We're hosting dating shows at this on different networks, completely arbitrarily.

[Oliver Hudson]

Wait a minute. What?

[Kate Hudson]

I need to break this down. Is it so fun?

[Unknown]

It's.

[Kimberly Williams-Paisley]

Yes.

[Unknown]

Stupid fun. Well, what happened was I was doing this dating show basically, like, so I work with at Hallmark. I'm like, one of their people, and they told me that they were starting, like, a reality, you know, branch, and I immediately started pitching them reality show ideas, which they promptly rejected. There were, like, nine in a row. And when I say pitching, like, I came up with, like, decks. Like, they were, like, very well thought out. Like, me dressing up as a fan and going on the Christmas cruise and then revealing. Taking my, like, mask off and revealing that it's me. Like, that was, like, a documentary idea I had. Anyway, they didn't like any of those ideas, but then they called me because they got to know me through my pitching and asked if I would host a dating show. And I was like, of course. So I called Kim, like, week one of hosting this dating show, and I'm like, you need to get yourself a dating show, because this the best gag. I was, like, downright restful. Those are off the hook. And don't have to memorize lines. You could just be a weirdo and so fun. Whatever you want.

[Oliver Hudson]

Yeah.

[Unknown]

She was like, okay. And literally, Kim was it, like, four days later you got.

[Kimberly Williams-Paisley]

Yeah. And. But that was just coincidental. Like, I didn't even call my people. But it just so happened that, like, a week later, they called me and they said, there's this show. It's called Farmer Wants a Wife. It's in their third season, and they're looking for a new host. And I was like, I just heard that that's the best gay in town. I'll take it.

[Kate Hudson]

Are you having fun? Are you enjoying it?

[Unknown]

Yes.

[Kimberly Williams-Paisley]

It was so fun. I mean, it's. It is so different, but it's really great to just show up and be me. Like, I mean, you guys must feel that doing this podcast, you get to just hang and be yourselves. Isn't it a relief? Yeah.

[Oliver Hudson]

Oh, it's the best. But it's funny you say that, because I will make my billions doing something that's just myself. Like, I need a game show. I need to talk show. I need to. To dating show.

[Kate Hudson]

Billions.

[Oliver Hudson]

No billions. There's going to be a B in front of. Well, I'm going to parlay. I'm going to parlay this whole thing into, you know, I mean, you can't even imagine what I've got planned. You can't even imagine the branding. Ashley, I want to know what your dating show is. What? What is it?

[Unknown]

Yeah, I'm doing a dating show for Hallmark called Small Town Setup.

[Oliver Hudson]

Okay.

[Unknown]

Like, town townspeople getting together to set up, like, a single person in the town.

[Oliver Hudson]

It's okay. Got it.

[Unknown]

So cute. And it's so silly. And.

[Kate Hudson]

And yours is similar too, right? Because it's like a farmer.

[Kimberly Williams-Paisley]

Yeah, Mine is in the title. So the farmer wants a wife.

[Oliver Hudson]

That's why I didn't ask. I kind of got it.

[Kimberly Williams-Paisley]

Yeah. Yeah. And the wives want a farmer. So it works like, they have to say yes. There's no, like, rose ceremony. There's no wedding at the end. It's just, are they still interested? And it's really good television. And I could relate to it because I. We grew up in New York and here I am on a farm. I've got, like, horses, backyard and lots of poop, you know?

[Kate Hudson]

Sounds so nice. Yeah, I love horses and lots of poop.

[Kimberly Williams-Paisley]

Yeah.

[Kate Hudson]

You know, I like muddy boots on a porch. I don't have that right now. I feel like it's missing.

[Oliver Hudson]

You got to make sure it's horse poop because you can't just say you like horses and lots of poop.

[Kimberly Williams-Paisley]

We have all kinds of poop here, though. I mean, we have all different kinds.

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[Kate Hudson]

Speaking of poop yeah, I was. My friends were staying at my house in the desert. I looked out onto. Out the window, out on the second story, and on my roof is this pile of what I think is bobcat poop.

[Oliver Hudson]

Yeah, it is. That's what that is. Yeah, there's bobcats everywhere.

[Kate Hudson]

It's like. And it's, like, just pooping in one spot.

[Kimberly Williams-Paisley]

Oh, wow.

[Oliver Hudson]

Well, it's like. It's a cat. It's. I mean, it has its litter. It's essentially this litter box. I mean, it's.

[Kate Hudson]

It's. But. But what do I do?

[Oliver Hudson]

Just let it poop.

[Kate Hudson]

Let it poop there.

[Kimberly Williams-Paisley]

Yeah.

[Kate Hudson]

What do you want to ruin my roof?

[Oliver Hudson]

Who cares? You'll just have, like, a little, like, poop section on your.

[Kimberly Williams-Paisley]

You have. You better watch out for your. You better watch out. Out for your little doggy, though. You don't want your dog to just be, like, running outside.

[Oliver Hudson]

Appetizer.

[Kate Hudson]

I know he's, like, a teeny. I've got. You also have, like, a Doberman and an Aussie, so I don't let them out without the big dogs.

[Kimberly Williams-Paisley]

Okay, good.

[Kate Hudson]

But we. I love that you guys, when I was reading about everything about you, both you guys are very open and vulnerable about the things that are going on in your life, which I always love and appreciate because I think. Think it's important. But, you know, like, Kimberly, when you lost your voice, Ashley, you had a miscarriage, and you talk openly about those things. Like, what was that? Like, what are these things that you're super comfortable with being open? Or is it something that you have to, like, ask yourself and, like, go through the process of being like, okay, I have to come out with it.

[Kimberly Williams-Paisley]

That's such a great question. Well, I'll speak for myself. I feel like it's definitely something I've wrestled with, but ultimately, it's such a relief to be honest and tell the truth. It's so much more preferable to hiding it and feeling like I don't want anyone to know. That's exhausting. We've been through that so many times, like, with our mom, who had Alzheimer's and told us not to talk about it. So for years we didn't. And then when we finally could, when she wasn't, like, aware anymore that we were taught we were going to talk about it, we, like, haven't shut up about it, you know? And then with my voice, I felt like when I was in the middle of it, but it was really hard for me to be honest because I didn't know if it was going to last for the rest of my life. You know, those kind of health scares can be really scary and challenging, and I was just terrified. But once I found the answer and had the surgery and, like, came through it, then I really wanted to talk about it because I wanted other people to know that they're not alone. And, you know, this is what I've learned. And I was so happy to have a voice that I just was excited to do use it, you know? And, Ash, what about you with the miscarriage?

[Unknown]

I was just gonna say, like, I remember because I was. You know, we were. We're. Kim and I talk every day. So during her voice journey, I was. It was like, an active part of every conversation we had, you know, and helping her navigate a party or. Like, at one point, she had to go to the White House. Like, we were like, what do we do? Like, she can't. She'd lost her voice, and she was, like, going to the White House and sitting next to. I can't. Jo. Was it, like, Jill Biden or something? Like, navigating all those crazy things, but also having to stay super private about it? And I remember, Kimmy, when you came out of surgery, I think you sent me a text message, and you were like, I just wrote this. And it was ultimately what you posted on Instagram, but you, like, sent me, and you were like, any changes? And I was like, no, this is amazing. But it was, like, a big moment where you decided to, like, come out. And it was basically the. The morning that you. That. That you were in the hospital after your surgery, right?

[Kimberly Williams-Paisley]

Yeah. And it felt, like such a relief. It felt so vulnerable, and I had no idea. I'd forgotten, really. Like, when people show up authentically, I think. I think the general public really responds. And that's what happened is I. I just think, like, poured my. My heart out into this. And then I turned my phone off when I went and, like, meditated, which is my new thing. Since being through the voice journey, I have been meditating. And I came back, like, I kind of forgot about it. And I came back an hour later, and I saw that it had blown up, and people had really responded to it in, like, a way that I hadn't. I hadn't had a reaction like that in years. And then I felt like, oh, gosh, what have I done? There's no putting that genie back in the bottle. But I'm still, like, so glad that I did. I.

[Oliver Hudson]

What was your hesitation, you know, from the beginning, you know? Why? Why? Just. Just. Just Pure privacy, or was there a fear there of some kind?

[Kimberly Williams-Paisley]

Yeah, there's a lot of fear. It was very embarrassing to me. I don't know. I think it's hard to explain, but I. I guess I felt sort of invisible. For two years. I felt like a ghost. I felt. I felt like it was my fault for some time. I just had had a lot of stuff. There was actually, like, some guilt around the stuff. Talking about my mom and Alzheimer's, I think, like, there was an emotional component and, like, all this stuff that I had been feeling about, like, oh, I can't talk about something, was kind of, like, taught by our mom in some way like that, you know, so that, like, coming through the end of her Alzheimer's journey and deciding we were going to talk about it, I felt a lot of guilt about that. So that was just part of my understanding, all of, like, how I use my voice, how I show up, what is my image, internal voice is, you know, what I really learned in trying to find my external voice. And so it just felt like it was all a very vulnerable thing because it was so real that it was scary to share.

[Kate Hudson]

How is that navigating? And this is for both of you with your. With the hubbies, like, are they comfortable with, you know, being more outward, or do they sometimes feel like, you know, because I. That's my. My biggest thing is that I'm going to say something and. And then someone else is going to be upset at me. You know, it's like there's all these moving parts. Whether it's my brother, whether it's my other brother, whether it's my parents, whether it's my partner, where it's my kids. It's like I could talk about anything, and yet I sometimes feel like I'm gonna let someone down if I say something personal, you know?

[Unknown]

Yeah, I totally relate to that. And it's so funny because. Because earlier, Oliver, you were like. And tell us about your husband. My husband Neil is a producer, and he's amazing. And then. And I was like, well. And, you know, he. He's had to stay home a lot recently. And then I was thinking afterward, after he, like, moved on, I'm like, is the only time I'm gonna talk about my incredible husband? The fact that he's the one having to take care of the kids recently? That's not. And I was like, if he hears that, is he gonna be like, I can't believe you. Like. Like, that was the one thing you said about me.

[Oliver Hudson]

Like, I've done a Lot more than this. Like.

[Unknown]

Because meanwhile, like, like, the truth is, my husband is Kim can attest, like the greatest human that I've ever met in the most like, selfless, generous, kind, and also fiercely protective of our kids. So, like, we don't post pictures of our kids online or on social media. Like, we're just super freaked out about doing that without their consent. And like, how do they.

[Oliver Hudson]

I, I use them to get more followers and potentially make more money on Instagram. So, yeah, I'm the opposite.

[Kate Hudson]

Me too.

[Unknown]

And honestly, truly, to each his own. But like, my husband was really, like, you know, fiercely protective of them. And, and, and there is like a privacy element. And at the same time, he is a producer. Like, he knows this industry, you know, just as well as anyone, and he knows that the more honest I am, you know, oftentimes the more people can connect with me. So it's a balance. Balance. You know, it's about.

[Kimberly Williams-Paisley]

Yeah, I, I think that's the same. Same for me. Like, you just have to make sure that whatever story I'm telling that, that it'll be one that they're okay with. That's hard. It's the fine line. I mean, you guys understand that because you've grown up in a public eye.

[Oliver Hudson]

Yeah, we don't have a ton of time, but just the Alzheimer with your mother. I mean, I don't think I've ever actually spoken to someone who's dealt with that, who I know actually well, but is there a, is there a moment where it turns or is it very gradual? You know, it's very basic sort of simplistic question, but is it, is it a very gradual decline or is it, is there that moment?

[Unknown]

Thank you so much for talking about this. I appreciate it.

[Kimberly Williams-Paisley]

Yeah. I remember a doctor told us once, if you've met one person with Alzheimer's, you've met one person with Alzheimer'S, so it can be different for everybody. Our mom had frontotemporal lobe disorder, a primary progressive aphasia, which, like, took five to seven years. They said it would take her five to seven years before she would need full time care. But like, I look back and I do remember it was actually at my wedding that there was a moment where I was like, oh my gosh, what happened to mom? She was really irrational and really upset the day of my wedding because she wasn't in the ceremony, which was very odd. Like, that was kind of out of character for her. And so that day we gave her something to read in the ceremony because she was like, having a total meltdown. And she got up to read it and couldn't get through the reading. Like, kept stumbling and faltering and, like. And. And that was so unlike her. She was someone that was used to speaking in front of people. And we didn't know for another two years, but when we finally found out, I remembered that moment was like, huh. I think that was the beginning.

[Oliver Hudson]

Wow. And then. Then once it was diagnosed, you know, then there was your. The awareness becomes your forefront. So you're. You're almost witnessing and watching and waiting.

[Unknown]

Yeah, it's complicated. Like, it's. You know, they say it's like death by paper cut. And it really is that. Like, it's really like, these tiny, teeny, tiny little nicks. Like, I remember in, like, it was like, 2001, I was, like, in between auditions in New York City, and I swung into her offense down in, like, lower Manhattan to, like, pee and get a free snack, you know, And I walked into her office, and she was hunched over the. The phone book, and. And I. I walked in and I said, hi. She goes, oh, thank God you're here. How do you spell Chicago? That was like, 2001. So that was years before your wedding, Kim. And I remember being like, she's dotty. She's hilarious. My mother is hilarious.

[Kate Hudson]

Yes.

[Unknown]

You know, right? And. And then the. The weirdest thing is that then 30 seconds later, she's like, hey, I made a reservation for. For lunch. Let's go. You know? And, like, completely normal. Like, it's these. All these different tracks in your brain, and one of them suddenly is, like, off the rails for a second, and then you're like, that was weird. But that's what's crazy about it, is that kind of happens to all of us all day, especially.

[Kate Hudson]

Yeah. It's like, you don't know. Yeah.

[Unknown]

Don't know.

[Kate Hudson]

Sometimes. Sometimes you're like, oh, my God, I can't remember. Like, but they're like, I know this person. Like, what am I?

[Unknown]

So all of us have aphasia all day. What's the street name? What name? That's aphasia. But our mother had something called primary progressive aphasia, which was just. It. It didn't stop. Like, it was all day, you know?

[Kimberly Williams-Paisley]

Yeah. I think the distinction is if it's interfering with your daily life, then it's something to get checked out. If it's. I mean, if it's like, oh, I forget so and so's name, that. That's not as big a deal as this is interfering with my work life or my family life life, it's starting to change how I live.

[Oliver Hudson]

But there's been a lot, A lot has been done recently with Alzheimer's, at least from a news standpoint. You know, reading things, hearing things, you know, it seems like there's breakthroughs, if not now, but the future could look bright. No, I mean, I'm sure you guys have a lot of information on that.

[Kimberly Williams-Paisley]

Yeah, I'm really hopeful. I, you know, hopefully funding for research will continue and we can find some of these answers because. Because it does take a lot of money. So that's kind of frustrating right now because we need a lot of research, but there are a lot of irons in the fire, and we've been connected to some fantastic doctors who are doing really phenomenal work, and there are some medicines there that can slow down the progress. And so I am hopeful.

[Unknown]

And FYI, the LC association, just to give them a little plug, has the most incredible resources. They have a 1, 800 number. You can Google it. I don't know what it is, but they have somebody 24 hours a day who will answer the phone locally in your area, can connect you with resources locally in your area. Therapists, nurses, support groups, et cetera. Because the prevalence of absolute abuse is incredibly high. And it's not often because of the loyalty aspect.

[Kimberly Williams-Paisley]

Yeah. And even if, okay, even if it's not abuse, but it's like the caregivers not going to their own doctor's appointments or the caregivers not getting enough sleep or enough food, like they really need support. So. Yeah, I agree, Ash. That and the, and the, the hotline number is terrific. And they'll connect you with free resources.

[Oliver Hudson]

Well, I imagine just patience in general. I mean, we all have children. You know, how nerves get, get frayed and we go crazy and we have to check ourselves because. Holy. Let me just figure out why I'm like this. But I, I, I can imagine, you know, you have to be pretty patient and sort of go within yourself and start a true meditation because, you know, it can be fr. I can't imagine how frustrating it can get, you know?

[Unknown]

Yeah.

[Kate Hudson]

This was so great. You guys are the sweetest.

[Oliver Hudson]

I know. You're the best. This is fun. Really fun, fun.

[Kate Hudson]

I'm gonna come to Nashville at some point, probably this summer, because I'm gonna come meet a bunch of people and write.

[Kimberly Williams-Paisley]

So amazing. Yeah. Reach out, say hi. Yeah, that'd be great.

[Oliver Hudson]

All right. Two part question, you know, of your sibling. Obviously, the, the first part is if there was One thing that you can emulate from them that you could have for yourself, what would that be? And second part is if there was something that you could alleviate from them, what would you take away to make their life just better, a little more smooth?

[Kimberly Williams-Paisley]

That is the sweetest question. Both of those things are amazing. I think for me, what I love so much and wish I had is Ashley's just full belly laugh that just like rings throughout a room and like changes the atmosphere of a room. That's the first part. And the second part is Ashley used to be a doula and she has this ability to like talk someone through a panic attack or through a hard moment. And I am so grateful to be the recipient of that. But I wish I had that ability that Ash, that you have. I wish I could give her like 24 hour childcare that just as needed.

[Unknown]

That would be really helpful.

[Kimberly Williams-Paisley]

Perfect.

[Kate Hudson]

You and every other mother in the world. It's like, so. It's the hardest job ever. I. I sometimes think to myself, like, you know, I don't think I'd ever want to be a stay at home mom just because it's so much work. Like, I don't know what I would do if I didn't have work and all I was doing was the kids. I think I'd go crazy.

[Kimberly Williams-Paisley]

Yeah.

[Kate Hudson]

Like I need help. And then you think, of course, because we're not supposed to do it alone. We're supposed to all be doing it together. Like all the late. All the girls are supposed to come together and help each other raise each other's children. That's like what we're meant to do, right? You know, our community is supposed to be there for us and we've lost sight a little bit of that.

[Oliver Hudson]

All right, Ash, you go.

[Unknown]

Okay. So for Kim. So I'm gonna say Kim is so good at honestly looking, not, I mean, definitely at herself, but at me and telling me like in a really honest way what I could be doing better and how to see a situation from another person's perspective. Like, there is a loyalty in that, I swear. But most of the time what she's saying is, well, it sounds like you were kind of a jerk. And it helps me see what my shortcomings are. And she does it to herself and she does it for me, and I wish I could do it for myself better. But what I. All I need do when I look at a situation is go, what would she say I'm not seeing? Or where am I coming up short here. And it's. It's Something that I continue to strive for, that I've learned from her. And I'm. And I need to strengthen because I'm the first person to be like, it was mean, you know, And Kim's like, okay, but you did yell first, you know, or something like that. It's like a very helpful thing. And in terms of alleviate, you know, it's interesting. We talked a lot about, like, Kim, who Kim's parents were when she was growing up, as opposed to mine. And what I wish I could give her a dose of is the like, screw the rules. Touch. Touch the table. You know, Happens, you know, get messy. You fit?

[Oliver Hudson]

Yeah. Good.

[Unknown]

Touch the table and you'll. And you'll see that, like, we're all still here loving you.

[Oliver Hudson]

Yeah.

[Unknown]

You know, you're not in trouble there in charge anymore, you know.

[Oliver Hudson]

Kim, touch the goddamn table.

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