It's the Best of Sibling Revelry! (part 2)

Summary

Sibling Revelry with Kate Hudson and Oliver Hudson

Episode: It's the Best of Sibling Revelry! (Part 2)

Date: February 26, 2026
Podcast by: iHeartPodcasts

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Episode Overview

This episode is a highlight reel—the "Best of" compilation—capturing some of the most insightful, candid, and funny moments from conversations with notable siblings and parents. Kate and Oliver explore the intricacies of sibling bonds, parent-child dynamics, family rules and rebellion, and the journey of finding personal and professional identity. The episode features snippets from interviews with Alicia Silverstone, Jameela Jamil, Brooks & Sarah Jane Nader (and their family), Alexa Ray Joel & Jack Brinkley-Cook, and Tina Knowles. The conversations blend laughter, honesty, and vulnerability, offering universal lessons in family, resilience, and individuality.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Alicia Silverstone: Navigating Fame and Authenticity

(03:07–06:44)

• Attachment to family: Kate discusses her strong connection to her kids, opening a conversation about parenting and attachment.

  • Tina Knowles chimes in supportively: "Well, duh." (03:37)

• Coping with Fame: Alicia Silverstone describes her early discomfort with sudden fame after "Clueless":

  • "I think I railed against it for a long time... There's no preparation for this... It is incredibly overwhelming. And I was not prepared in any way, shape, or form for any of it." (04:07–04:53)

• Turning to Activism: Alicia turned her focus to activism and personal passions (Africa for elephants, Amazon for the rainforest), but later realized she missed acting:

  • "I bailed and I went really deep into my activism... And then I think one day it occurred to me, like, I really love acting and why can't I do both?" (04:56–05:42)
  • "You have to kind of start all over because you've shut all these doors... That never occurred to me when I went, 'fuck you, I'm out.'" (05:42–05:51)

• Parenthood Joy: Alicia gushes about her son Bear and the everyday moments they share, emphasizing gratitude for thriving, not just surviving.

  • "I'm so lucky. Like, we're so lucky... we are not surviving. We are thriving." (06:28–06:44)

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2. Jameela Jamil: Speaking Truth to Power & What Counts as 'Activist’

(07:03–10:23)

• Controversy Magnet: Jameela freely acknowledges her role in stirring tough conversations:

  • "I think I hunt it out. I seek it out and then I hunt it down... I'm just unafraid of controversy rather than literally courting it. But people make it seem like asking for equality is a really crazy thing to do." (07:17–07:57)

• Being a ‘Target’:

  • "Because I threaten massive institutions... I'm a decent communicator, I sometimes inspire other people to use their voices... they want to make an example out of us... so that other people won't want to do it." (08:18–09:04)

• Rejecting ‘Activist’ Label:

  • "To be called an activist, you have to be an actual organizer taking actual risks, on the ground without the privilege and protection... I would call myself and the rest of us privileged fools advocates... to deem myself an activist when I'm posting from my movie trailer is foul business." (09:30–10:23)

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3. The Nader Sisters & Their Parents: Tradition, Rebellion, and Growing Together

(14:31–27:06)

• Sibling Dynamics & Career: Brooks Nader shares how her sisters followed her modeling path to New York City, after growing up in conservative Baton Rouge, Louisiana.

  • "All my sisters copy me. You get it, and I moved to New York, dropped out of college to pursue modeling... Soon followed." (15:22)

• Family Values & Breaking the Mold: The sisters reflect on the strict rules they grew up with and how their parents' perspectives shifted over time:

  • "Brooks wasn't allowed to wear bikinis her whole life. And then moved to New York and got on Sports Illustrated..." (16:18)
  • "My parents did not... alcohol was not in our household growing up, not hurting at their wedding... They started drinking like when we started, literally at like 40." (20:53)

• Intergenerational Growth:

  • "They are growing up with us... experiencing life for the first time too because they didn't have their 20s, they were like trying to feed us." (19:04)

• Their Father’s Perspective: The sisters’ father joins the conversation, charming the hosts and discussing parenting philosophy:

  • "The goal was always independence. We want them to be independent, make their own decisions, live their own life... Family is the hill we die on. Doesn't matter what choices you make... we love our family." (24:14–24:27)

• Parenting Teenage Girls: Honest anecdotes about rules, rebellion, and the struggles of young parenting:

  • Brooks: "When they found out I had sex, I... didn't have a door." (17:45)
  • Father: "We were hardest on Brooks... You're a young parent, and you’re learning how to be a parent, so you're going to err on the side of strict." (25:11)

• Memorable, playful moments:

  • Classic banter about their dad's youthful looks and the sisters’ dating preferences.
  • Dad: "A man without daughters, lives half a life." (22:51)

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4. Jack Brinkley-Cook & Alexa Ray Joel: Blended Family and Sibling Bonds

(29:09–36:14)

• Age Gaps and Growing Closer: The siblings discuss bridging their nine-year age gap, with Alexa as the “little big bro.”

  • "We got close later in life... as adults." (29:42)

• Divorce and Family Unity: Alexa reflects on her parents’ divorce and its impact:

  • "I was nine when they divorced... they were my world, and we were the three Musketeers... always singing together, always putting on a show." (32:17)
  • "When my mom got her last divorce, it brought us all closer together, naturally... we unified around my mother, because she was going through it." (34:07–34:25)

• Their Mother, Christie Brinkley:

  • "She's the best mom... she worries, makes sure everybody's okay... we're tight knit, just like you guys." (35:02)

• Parallels to Hosts’ Own Family: Kate and Oliver connect over being part of close sibling groups and having involved, caring mothers.

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5. Tina Knowles: Raising Icons & Creating Fashion Legacy

(36:14–51:19)

• Tina Knowles’ Early Life:

  • "My mother was 44 when she had me... we had this really, really close relationship. And then when I became a teenager, it was very strained." (38:24–39:01)
  • "Just growing up really poor in the south with a lot of racism... taught me to be a fighter really early on." (39:02–39:19)

• Family Foundation:

  • Tina credits her strength—and her daughters’—to resilient family bonds.

• Personal Style & Creativity:

  • "When the girls started and the record company wouldn't give me money... I would take it and buy expensive fabric and copy something or just design it from scratch..." (40:19–41:11)
  • "I loved Diana Ross... wanted to be her... so when I was doing Destiny's Child, that's the criticism I got... But they were on stage!" (41:23–42:17)

• Recognition & Pride:

  • "They had this whole tribute to Destiny's Child and how they had affected the fashion world... They brought me on stage and Kelly said... all of these costumes that y' all are clapping for, this lady did. It kind of changed things because people started respecting me a little more." (46:27–47:34)

• Managing Beyoncé's Tours:

  • Tina remains a hands-on force, running wardrobe logistics for tours that require hundreds of costume changes.
  • "I keep the budgets... She has probably 300 costumes for the tour... such a big operation..." (47:36–48:20)

• Motherhood and Boundaries:

  • "It's her show... Sometimes we go at it because we are mother and daughter... I have sense enough to know that that's her stuff. She grew up hearing all the time, 'this is my shit.' And so that's her favorite thing: 'this is my shit at the end of the day.'" (49:11–49:28)
  • On Solange: "Solange won't have me on tour... I used to dress her, but she would take the clothes and say, 'Mom, I don't need you crowding me. I need my space.'"* (50:55)

• The Importance of Parental Pride:

  • Oliver: "No matter what... there's nothing like making your parents proud... it's the best feeling in the world." (51:19)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• Alicia Silverstone:

  • "There's no school for how... There's no preparation for this." (04:10)
  • "You have to kind of start all over because you've shut all these doors." (05:42)

• Jameela Jamil:

  • "I'm just unafraid of controversy rather than literally courting it." (07:32)
  • "To deem myself an activist when I'm posting from my movie trailer is foul business." (10:18)

• Brooks Nader (on her parents):

  • "My parents did not... They started drinking like when we started, literally at like 40." (20:53)

• Nader Dad:

  • "Family is the hill we die on. Doesn't matter what choices you make." (24:27)
  • "A man without daughters, lives half a life." (22:51)

• Alexa Ray Joel:

  • "We were the three Musketeers... always singing together, always putting on a show." (32:17)
  • "We unified around my mother... it bonded us closer together." (34:25)

• Tina Knowles:

  • "It absolutely was my family. And just growing up really poor in the south with a lot of racism... taught me to be a fighter really early on." (39:02–39:19)
  • "All of these costumes that y'all are clapping for, this lady did." (Kelly Rowland, via Tina, 47:26)
  • "It's her show... At the end of the day... that's her favorite thing: 'this is my shit.'" (49:28)

• Kate Hudson:

  • "To callous, to build character. To know they can get through that." (25:59)

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Timestamps for Important Segments

• Alicia Silverstone: Navigating Fame & Activism - 03:07–06:44
• Jameela Jamil on Controversy & Activism’s True Meaning - 07:03–10:23
• Brooks and Sarah Jane Nader Family & Parental Adaptation - 14:31–27:06
• Jack Brinkley-Cook & Alexa Ray Joel, Blended Family Tied by Divorce - 29:09–36:14
• Tina Knowles on Family, Fashion, and Raising Superstars - 36:14–51:19

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Conclusion

"Best of Sibling Revelry! (Part 2)" showcases heartfelt and often hilarious stories from families shaped by love, change, and the challenges of standing out. Whether discussing re-inventing oneself, breaking family molds, or supporting the next generation’s dreams, the guests and hosts share wisdom and laughter that will resonate with anyone reflecting on the power—sometimes messy, always meaningful—of family.

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For listeners seeking a roadmap to sibling and parent relationships—packed with honesty, humor, and practical insight—this episode is a must.

Transcript

[Oliver Hudson]

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[Kate Hudson]

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[Child Voice]

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[Kate Hudson]

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[Oliver Hudson]

We wanted to do something that highlighted

[Kate Hudson]

our relationship and what it's like to be siblings. We are a sibling revelry.

[Oliver Hudson]

No, no.

[Kate Hudson]

Sibling revelry.

[Oliver Hudson]

Don't do that with your mouth.

[Kate Hudson]

Sibling revelry.

[Child Voice]

That's good.

[Kate Hudson]

Part two of the Best of sibling Revelry. We're gonna talk about this next guest who's in the waiting room right now. Her name is Alicia Silverstone, and I had such a massive crush on her during Clueless.

[Oliver Hudson]

Hello.

[Kate Hudson]

Oh, there she is.

[Alicia Silverstone]

Where are you right now?

[Kate Hudson]

I'm in Colorado. My boys just left today, so now I get a little time with just Aaron to hang, but I think I'm too attached to my kids.

[Tina Knowles]

Well, duh.

[Kate Hudson]

No, I know, but I don't know if it's unhealthy. It's probably not unhealthy, but I don't know. I just love them being around.

[Tina Knowles]

Yeah, of course.

[Kate Hudson]

You know, so you got into the game because you love being an actor. Fame, money, all that was never really in your purview. But once sort of that hits. Once you start to get recognized, like, a ton and you become famous. Was that something you railed against, or is it just part of what you needed to accept?

[Alicia Silverstone]

I think I railed against it for a long time.

[Kate Hudson]

Yeah.

[Alicia Silverstone]

I have very much. You know, I think when you. There's no school for how, like, there's no preparation for this, and if you don't have anyone around you who's been through this with someone else, how are you? You know, some actors have management and agents who have had many people before them. Right. And so they can help them, I think, hopefully with this is how this goes. And, oh, yeah, maybe do this and, you know, but if you don't have anyone in your world who's ever dealt with anything like this before and you don't know what you're doing, it. It is incredibly overwhelming. And. And I was not prepared in any way, shape, or form for any of it.

[Oliver Hudson]

So I really.

[Alicia Silverstone]

I bailed and I went really deep into my activism. You know, that made sense to me and, you know, went to Africa to help elephants and went to the Amazon river to help with the rainforest with Woody, and, you know, was going on these trips of sort of discovery and living and trying to do good and. Yeah. And then at one point, I realized, because I had gotten so deep into it, you know, I was writing books. I wrote the Kind diet, I wrote the Kind Mama, and I started A website, the Kind Life. And I was so involved with that. And then I think one day it occurred to me, like, I really love acting and why can't I do both? And the thing is, is you have to kind of start all over because you've shut all these doors.

[Kate Hudson]

Right.

[Alicia Silverstone]

You know, that never occurred to me when I went, fuck you, I'm out.

[Kate Hudson]

Yeah.

[Oliver Hudson]

It didn't occur to me that they

[Alicia Silverstone]

wouldn't be right there waiting when I came back.

[Kate Hudson]

Yeah.

[Alicia Silverstone]

I just am obsessed with my son. I know better than being with him. And we want. We're watching Stranger Things right now, and David Harbour and I are good pals because we worked together on a play a long time ago. And anyway, so I give him the play by play as I'm watching it, like, yeah, whatever.

[Brooks Nader]

But.

[Alicia Silverstone]

But Bear, like, you know, he's. Well, I probably shouldn't talk about Bear, because he won't, you know, but anyway, get some snuggles and.

[Kate Hudson]

Yeah, yeah.

[Oliver Hudson]

But I don't.

[Alicia Silverstone]

I don't want them to be taken away by him hearing this.

[Kate Hudson]

No, no, no.

[Alicia Silverstone]

I still, you know, he's just,

[Oliver Hudson]

you

[Alicia Silverstone]

know, he's my favorite and I have a good life. And I'm so lucky. Like, we're so lucky that we're faith and that we're healthy and that we have great food to eat. And I feel like we are not surviving. We are thriving.

[Brooks Nader]

Yeah.

[Kate Hudson]

This next segment with this next guest, who I worked with on a Netflix show called A Merry Little X Miss, but we hit it off tremendously immediately because she has absolutely no filter. As. As do I.

[Oliver Hudson]

As.

[Kate Hudson]

I don't. As do I.

[Brooks Nader]

Not.

[Kate Hudson]

Whatever the correct English is. So please welcome into the show, onto the show, Jameela. Jamil, let me ask you a question. Do you think controversy follows you or do you bring in controversy?

[Jameela Jamil]

I think I hunt it out.

[Kate Hudson]

Do you hunt it out?

[Jameela Jamil]

I do. I hunt it down. Rather, I seek it out and then I hunt it down. I think it's both. I think I don't want to be a controversial person. In fact, I don't really, really understand why I am deemed so controversial, why the media try to frame me as so controversial. But I am aware when I am poking the hornet's nest, I'm aware that it's a touchy subject and that doesn't deter me. So I think I'm just unafraid of controversy rather than literally courting it. But people make it seem like asking for sort of equality is a really crazy thing to do.

[Kate Hudson]

But why do you think you're such a surrogate there.

[Jameela Jamil]

And I think they're crazy.

[Kate Hudson]

Well, I know because I. Look, we're friends now. I follow you. I. All the shit that you sort of, you know, stir up, and then I see, you know, you posting things and this and that and, you know, sort of pleading your case. Essentially you're saying, well, here's the truth. Here's the reality of all of this. But why do you think you're a target?

[Jameela Jamil]

Because I threaten massive institutions, and I think I threaten systems.

[Oliver Hudson]

And.

[Jameela Jamil]

And because I'm a decent communicator, I sometimes have been proven to inspire other people to also use their voices. And that can be very dangerous when it comes to disrupting or dismantling power. And so they want to make an example of those of us who stand up and speak loudly so that other people won't want to do it. So if they, you know, humiliate you or lie about you or take things away from you, then other people will be deterred from following in your path. And so I think I just fly a little too close to the sun. But that's okay because, you know, I never planned on this career anyway, so it's inevitable.

[Brooks Nader]

Well, it's going to, you know, all

[Jameela Jamil]

go down in flames.

[Kate Hudson]

But how did activism do? First of all, do you consider yourself an activist?

[Jameela Jamil]

No.

[Kate Hudson]

No. Okay, that's what I thought. I knew that. But I'm for the audience, right?

[Jameela Jamil]

No, we use that word. We give that word.

[Kate Hudson]

Well, define. Exactly. Define. Define potentially what you feel that you are and then what activism is or what an activist is. Why is that word so kind of diluted now?

[Jameela Jamil]

Well, because it's trendy. It became trendy after the two movement. And anyone who said anything that went against the current was suddenly named an activist and deemed an activist. And a lot of people in our industry believed it. And. And I think to be called an activist, you have to be an actual organizer who's taking actual risks, who's on the ground without the privilege and protection to know it's fundamentally going to be okay if. If you take this stance or you make this. You understand? And so I would call myself and the rest of us privileged fools advocates. You know, you can advocate for a cause. You can signal a cause to other people and highlight other great voices. But. But to deem myself an activist when I'm posting from my movie trailer is foul business.

[Tina Knowles]

It's fool.

[Kate Hudson]

So with my oldest son, Wilder, leaving for college in May, cue tears rolling down my face right now, one of my New Year's resolutions is to take my family on more getaways. So we just got back from Colorado and now we're trying to figure out where we want to head next. And a great way to find inspiration is by looking at places on Airbnb. It's like you can just scroll through and dream. Now if you're planning any trips over the winter, you could be hosting your own home on Airbnb. Now with the Airbnb Co Host Network, you could hire a local co host to handle everything like creating your listing, managing reservations, guest communication on site support, and even styling your space. So while you're making your own memories, your home can be helping another family make theirs and earning extra cash. Find a co [e-mail] host it can be tough trying to balance everything in life, and that can affect healthy choices. Sometimes you get on a nice train. Boom. Healthy, Healthy. But if your life gets thrown off one way or another, you can revert back to just eating junk food. So Premier Protein is a great go to solution. It's the easy and delicious way to power your day. They have 30 grams of protein, 160 calories, no added sugar, and they taste amazing. They're a healthy choice I actually want to make with a wide variety of flavors from cafe latte to cake batter. It never feels boring. My personal favorite is the cinnamon roll. We're a cinnamon family. Anything cinnamon my family eats. It feels like total treat. 30 grams of protein gives me the fuel you need and not just for intense gym sessions, which I'm getting my pump on right now, but it' for getting after life. It takes a lot of energy to keep up with my three active kids and my Premier protein powers me to say yes to more. So find your favorite flavor@premier protein.com that's P R E M I E R protein.com or at Amazon, Walmart and other major retailers.

[Brooks Nader]

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[Oliver Hudson]

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[Brooks Nader]

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[Lingokids Narrator]

The number one job of any parent is to look out for their kids.

[Child Voice]

Sometimes mom doesn't let me use my tablet.

[Lingokids Narrator]

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[Kate Hudson]

What?

[Lingokids Narrator]

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[Child Voice]

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[Lingokids Narrator]

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[Kate Hudson]

Brooks and Sarah Jane Nader. The Nader, two of the four Nader sisters are waiting in the waiting room. They've got a new show coming out. Love Thy Nadir. Very excited to talk to them. I have a feeling it's going to go well off the rails, maybe a little unhinged. I think we're going to get a real idea of who these girls are. So let's bring them in. How are you guys?

[Brooks Nader]

We're good. How are you?

[Kate Hudson]

I'm good. Where are you? You in la?

[Oliver Hudson]

We're in la.

[Brooks Nader]

La, Beverly Hillbillies. That's it.

[Kate Hudson]

Where are you originally from?

[Brooks Nader]

We're from Louisiana. Baton Rouge.

[Kate Hudson]

Baton Rouge.

[Brooks Nader]

Yeah.

[Kate Hudson]

Okay, give me. Just give me a sense of the childhood story growing up.

[Brooks Nader]

Yeah.

[Kate Hudson]

You know how. How you got to where you got to.

[Oliver Hudson]

Oh, my.

[Kate Hudson]

How we went from Baton Rouge to Love Thy Nadir.

[Brooks Nader]

I mean, it was a journey. It was basically. I mean, the short version is all my sisters copy me. You know, you're a sibling. You get it? And I moved to New York, dropped out of college to pursue modeling. And they just saw how much fun I was having. And each girl, one by one, soon Followed. And then we just fell in love with New York and, you know, planted our roots there. And now we just can't get enough of it.

[Kate Hudson]

And growing up in a conservative family, I mean, obviously you didn't adhere to much of those values. Or do you? Did you? How did that work out for you? And how did your parents sort of deal with three girls or four or four girls who were just kind of like, all right, cool, we love you, but maybe this isn't how we want to go.

[Brooks Nader]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I think, like, I, growing up was like, kind of conformist. Like, I didn't really speak out about things that I didn't believe in or, like, wanted to do. And then moving to New York really, like, freed me.

[Child Voice]

I think.

[Brooks Nader]

Brooks was always a wild child, rule breaker, like, always. Never had privileges. She was, like, just always pushing the envelope and challenging my parents, I think. And they were also the hardest on her because she's the oldest, as you probably. But yeah, I think it was different for each of us. But once we moved to New York, it was really like, free for all. Like, Brooks wasn't allowed to wear bikinis her whole life. And then moved to New York and got on Sports Illustrated and it's like on the COVID and like. But the thing that annoyed me about Sports Illustrated was I was like, I'm going to show my parents, like, I'm going to wear a two piece bikini, whatever. And then my Sports Illustrated cover, I was in a one piece and I was like, come on, my parents. And I just like, whatever. And my mom goes, still following our rules. You're in a one piece.

[Kate Hudson]

And I was, oh, my God, shocking you. That is funny. But did your parent. Did your parents? Because, you know, I have friends who grew up in very sort of Christian households who had real rebellion and it didn't go so well, you know what I mean? Because the values that their parents were trying to instill upon them were so ingrained that they had no room to let their children sort of breathe and experience their own shit. Yeah, but your parents understanding, like, hey, this is what we need. These are our values. These are. This is what we grew up on. We tried to instill this into our children, but they are who they are. They're individuals and we're going to love them no matter what, you know? Or was there some contention where it's like, no, you need to be this.

[Brooks Nader]

I think that they've conformed as we've, like, entered this new era of being in the industry and whatever, because they do just Want us to be happy. But I think when we were growing up, especially for me, because I was the oldest, you know how it is. Yeah, you get brunt of all the rules things and then the youngest does whatever the fuck they want. So for me it was like a very much so, like, we will beat you into submission to like follow our fucking rules. And like, you're not gonna not follow them. You know what I mean? Like, I would like work my ass off and then, you know, make the dance team. And like, I was so thrilled about that. And then there's one party night on dance team where you go TPing, you know, the football player's house. I was so excited about that. I worked my ass off to be on the dance team. And I was one minute late to the breakfast table at 7am and they go, nope, you're not doing rolling night. And like parents were calling my, my parents and being like, she worked so hard. She didn't make it the first year, she was devastated. Sophomore year, she made it. And this is the one night and you guys are really going to take it from her. And they're like, that's our rule. Sorry. And you know, they found out I had sex. I. My door was broken down. You know, I didn't have a door. Yeah, I was like, I think they were like so strict when we were growing up because they just wanted us to like, do exactly what they said. And then I feel like, I feel like they're so young. Like they were raising us and they were like 20. The guys we date are their age. Let me put it that way. They're like us having kids, right? And I'm like, daddy, Dad's like, don't let him be older than me.

[Oliver Hudson]

I'm like, they're gonna be. That's the rule.

[Brooks Nader]

Like, you're too young for that to be the rule. But I think like, they are growing up with us. So, like, as we've moved to New York and like experienced this whole new life, they are sort of like experiencing life for the first time too. Because they didn't have their 20s, they were like. And they didn't travel trying to feed us.

[Kate Hudson]

Oh, that's. That's an interesting take actually. I mean, they are sort of living vicariously through you guys.

[Brooks Nader]

Exactly. Yeah. And they're like, even when they come here to la, we have this awesome house we've rented. Like, it's so cute to see. There's this tick tock trend that's like, don't forget it's your parents first Time living, too. And he's just videoing every little thing. All the love by meter billboards. Like, he hasn't, you know, they haven't traveled. Like, they left the country for the first time with us, like, you know, several years ago. So they're experiencing life for the first time. And it's fun to see them, like, get to live life with us and have an appreciation for it because they didn't grow up doing any of that.

[Kate Hudson]

It's interesting, too, because it probably. I don't know if they've talked to you about it or not, but it's shifted their perspective. How could it not? Meaning, we laid down all these rules for our girls. We had these expectations for who they were supposed to be based on who we were. That's not how it works. You know what I'm saying? I have three kids.

[Oliver Hudson]

Oh, you do?

[Kate Hudson]

Yeah. So of course you're trying to be the best father. You're trying to instill what you want to instill in them. But I was wild. You know, I wasn't. I was nutty. I still. I'm almost 50. I still am. But, you know, my kids, when they start to do these things and experiment, I've experienced them. So it would be hypocrite. It would be hypocritical for me to, you know, to get on them now. I can instill wisdom and say, look, I went through this. So here, watch out for these pitfalls. But for your parents, it's interesting because they have to have shifted and changed after sort of being able to experience you guys and your successes and see how great you are.

[Brooks Nader]

Yeah, right. Like, they didn't grow up, like, to your point of you saying, like, you did all the wild, crazy things, parting. So now you're like, get it with your kids and how to bring them. My parents did not, like, alcohol was not in our household growing up, not hurting at their wedding. They didn't smoke. They didn't have alcohol at their wedding. They had a huge ceremony. Like, they started drinking, like, when we started literally at like 40, you know, at 40 years old to them. I like, now, like, my dad will get, like, wasted off of, like, two years. It's, like, adorable. He's like a college kid, and he also looks like one. So we're like, Brooks, like, who's this guy? And I'm like, my fucking dad. Okay? All like, backwards. Like you.

[Kate Hudson]

How old are your parents?

[Brooks Nader]

1.

[Kate Hudson]

Are you fudgeing kidding me?

[Brooks Nader]

That's when I dad on, like, camera and stuff. Like, people. It looks like we're dating, actually. I can.

[Kate Hudson]

Yeah.

[Brooks Nader]

Throw them into the pot. I can tell them a couple. Our parents are all here. Our whole family's here. Dad. Dad.

[Kate Hudson]

Oh, Dad. I gotta meet dad.

[Brooks Nader]

All right. Come meet Oliver. He has this epic podcast.

[Billy Joel]

How you doing, man?

[Kate Hudson]

Hey, dad. How are you, man?

[Billy Joel]

I'm great.

[Kate Hudson]

Look at you.

[Oliver Hudson]

Oh, it's you.

[Kate Hudson]

Look at this. Look at this handsome, handsome man.

[Billy Joel]

Yeah, I appreciate. I like this guy.

[Kate Hudson]

A handsome man. That's crazy. I mean, we were talking to your girls. You were a young man when you had these girls. You and I are basically the same age. I have three kids, but I have 17, 15, and 12.

[Brooks Nader]

Oh, young. A young dad, too.

[Kate Hudson]

I was 30. I was 29.

[Billy Joel]

That is young. What are your boy? Girl. What do you have?

[Kate Hudson]

Two boys and a little girl.

[Billy Joel]

Okay.

[Kate Hudson]

Wilder, Bodie and Rio.

[Brooks Nader]

I love those names.

[Billy Joel]

Yeah, you got the girl in, man. The girl.

[Kate Hudson]

We.

[Billy Joel]

We.

[Kate Hudson]

Yeah. It was a pursuit, I'll tell you that. It was crazy. We had the two boys, we decided to go for the third girl with the third kid, hoping it was a girl, and we got lucky.

[Brooks Nader]

I love that girl. Dads are the only girls. Yeah. He got a man.

[Billy Joel]

A man without daughters, lives half a life.

[Kate Hudson]

Yeah.

[Billy Joel]

You're going to have a whole life.

[Kate Hudson]

Let me ask you a question, though. Were you trying to have a boy?

[Billy Joel]

You know, once we had a couple of girls, and then we love the idea of them being close in age and having sisters with each other. And so by the time this little thing came along, we were thrilled that it was another girl. So I could not be happier. Absolutely.

[Child Voice]

They had boys.

[Billy Joel]

It makes it simpler, too.

[Brooks Nader]

It makes.

[Billy Joel]

It didn't have to have a boy to clutter up, you know, it was just.

[Kate Hudson]

No, I know, I know. Oh, you had boy names already picked up.

[Brooks Nader]

They did.

[Billy Joel]

Ah, yeah, we probably did.

[Brooks Nader]

My name was a boy named, like, Jonah or something.

[Billy Joel]

Oh, Brooks could have gone either way. That's right.

[Brooks Nader]

Because they actually never found out the gender with all four of us. They just had them.

[Billy Joel]

Right.

[Kate Hudson]

Oh, yeah, I did that. We did that as well. Yeah. It's the last great secret. It's the last great secret.

[Brooks Nader]

I think that's you guys are gonna be best friends.

[Kate Hudson]

No, we should.

[Billy Joel]

Everyone should be surprised. I mean, how often do you get to be surprised with something like that?

[Kate Hudson]

Never. Never.

[Oliver Hudson]

Sweet.

[Brooks Nader]

That you didn't find out. I love that.

[Kate Hudson]

Yeah. No. So how do you. How are you? How did you deal with your girls? Sort of not bucking who you guys are necessarily. Your sort of conservative nature. But being themselves, letting them sort of expand and be who they are. I mean, was that tough for you?

[Billy Joel]

Well, I mean, certain. Certain times are tough. Whenever they make decisions that, you know, then. Then are painful or they have consequences or whatever. You hate to see your kid have to deal with that. But the goal was always independence.

[Oliver Hudson]

We.

[Billy Joel]

We want them to be independent, make their own decisions, live their own life. And family is the hill we die on. Doesn't matter what choices you make. It all comes down to the family. We love our family, our girls, no matter what. And that'll always be the case.

[Brooks Nader]

So when I got divorced, yeah, that was the worst for them. He was so my ex husband. He was like, I have to say goodbye.

[Billy Joel]

I like him. I still like him. I wish him the best. But you guys were on a different path and that's fine. So that was, that was.

[Brooks Nader]

He did roll with the p. Oliver. I told Oliver that I got the brunt of it. Oliver's also the eldest sibling and I am the punishment and like the. Just you guys really being hard on me because I was okay.

[Billy Joel]

We were hardest on Brooks either. Well, you know, you're a young parent and you're learning how to be a parent, so you're going to err on the side of strict and, you know, hey, you got a toe.

[Brooks Nader]

By the time this one came along, it was a lesbian and everything.

[Billy Joel]

We were barely barely aware that she was in the house. Was very independ early on and, and very responsible. At least we thought she would. She was responsible most of the time.

[Brooks Nader]

Until when?

[Billy Joel]

Oh, very responsible, of course.

[Kate Hudson]

Well, as, as a parent, it's hard because you never want your children to be in pain or hurting in any way. And you want to do everything that you can to sort of wrap your arms around them and take it away at the same time. They need to go through what they need to go through.

[Oliver Hudson]

Yeah.

[Kate Hudson]

To callous, to build character. To know that they can get through that, you know.

[Billy Joel]

Absolutely true. There's no other way, no other way to learn those lessons and, and mature.

[Kate Hudson]

Yeah, no, I know.

[Brooks Nader]

Parenting lesson. Oliver and brother. I love this.

[Kate Hudson]

And how is it being on camera?

[Brooks Nader]

He was a star. You loved it.

[Billy Joel]

It was fun. Yeah, it was a little awkward. You know, reality TV is a little awkward because you, you, you're there, you're having dinner, whatever. You don't want it to be boring and so, you know, boring dad. No, I'm saying me. I'm saying me. And so dad was hilarious.

[Brooks Nader]

He has so many one liners and also by the way, I'm not fully prepared, but I've started to get them in LA the past few days. We've been out all the delf commentary, which I told you what that means.

[Kate Hudson]

Yep. But he did. Oh, there he goes.

[Oliver Hudson]

I.

[Brooks Nader]

Obviously not saying that. That's like a thing that people are saying about you, and it's gross. It's dis.

[Kate Hudson]

Well, he is a dilf.

[Billy Joel]

Are you kidding me?

[Kate Hudson]

Look at him.

[Billy Joel]

Okay, guys, I'm out here.

[Kate Hudson]

He's a. That's a handsome man right there.

[Brooks Nader]

He is adorable. Sir. Jane did say the other day, sorry, dad, you might want to leave this one. But we do have taste. Our taste is around 50s. We're the only single sisters and we like older gallivanting around. And sometimes we like a personality more than a look on a guy. And Jane goes. When we were in Ibiza, she goes, we needed a new rule. We can't anyone that's uglier than Dad. I was like,

[Tina Knowles]

no one left. Like, how are we gonna do that?

[Kate Hudson]

That's not possible. No, he, he, he looks like, like Superman, you know, his face. He's got the, he's got the wave,

[Brooks Nader]

you know, he's insane. We need to get him a hair deal. His hair is like.

[Kate Hudson]

He's got amazing hair.

[Oliver Hudson]

I'm excited to talk to these youngins.

[Kate Hudson]

Yeah, we don't want to leave them waiting. We don't leave them waiting today.

[Oliver Hudson]

I have to say, their mom, I feel like, was like your first real crush.

[Kate Hudson]

Yeah, well, it was because of, first of all, Uptown Girl, the video, and then you've got, you know, vacation in the red Ferrari and at the pool, which is unforgettable. Iconic scene.

[Oliver Hudson]

I mean, for everyone.

[Kate Hudson]

Yeah.

[Oliver Hudson]

In the 80s, that was like, one of the great moments of all time.

[Kate Hudson]

Yes. Yeah. Christie Brinkley, was it?

[Oliver Hudson]

Yeah. I mean, it's like, she's still it. She's so hot.

[Kate Hudson]

Oh, she's so hot.

[Oliver Hudson]

It's insane. Her energy.

[Kate Hudson]

Yeah, everything.

[Oliver Hudson]

I, I, I look at her.

[Tina Knowles]

Oh.

[Oliver Hudson]

My stylist used to style her sometimes when she was in New York and said she was just like the greatest, most inspiring woman because she's just so filled, energy and happy and she's very joyful.

[Kate Hudson]

I know. Well, let's see if it rubbed off on any of these kids. Yeah.

[Oliver Hudson]

Yeah. So we got Alexa Ray, Joel and Jack Brinkley.

[Tina Knowles]

Cook.

[Kate Hudson]

Yep. JBC is what I like to call him.

[Oliver Hudson]

Do you want to let him in, Ollie?

[Kate Hudson]

Yeah, yeah, let's let him in.

[Oliver Hudson]

Okay.

[Alicia Silverstone]

Hi.

[Kate Hudson]

What's going on, guys?

[Oliver Hudson]

Hey, Guys, where are you right now? Are you in new. Are you East Coast?

[Child Voice]

We're east coast, yeah. We're actually at our family house, so.

[Oliver Hudson]

Oh, nice.

[Child Voice]

In Sag Harbor.

[Oliver Hudson]

Oh, I love it. I'm jealous.

[Kate Hudson]

Anyway, well, how was that growing up,

[Child Voice]

Little big bro, because he's so much taller on my little big bro, you

[Kate Hudson]

know, because the nine years is a pretty good difference. Like, how did that work? How did you guys get close? You know, what was it like growing up with someone who was like your little man, essentially?

[Child Voice]

Yeah, you know, we got close later in life, I think, because it's. He was more with Sailor when you guys were, like, really little, because that's a huge age difference. And I was an angsty teen, so I was sort of very much introverted and then just, I would say, the last, what, 15 years. Well, so like, in adult. In our adulthood, when.

[Jack Brinkley Cook]

When I was 10 years old, she was 19 years old and already moved out of the house.

[Child Voice]

And so, yeah, going back to huge difference hits then.

[Jack Brinkley Cook]

Yeah. And going back to being in the Hamptons. What was. What was especially cool was when I got to 15, 16, 17 years old, and the Hamptons weekends weren't cutting it anymore. I used to go and stay with Alexa in the city anymore. And my mom was very strict, and she, you know, she gave me a strict 12am curfew when all my other friends had like a 1am curfew or 2am curfew. And Alexa was amazing because I would stay with her. And I think that she sometimes used a little bit of discretion where when I would, you know, come home 30 minutes late, she wouldn't get me in trouble. But she was strict enough where the few times when it was like 3 in the morning, 3:30 in the morning, the next day, I was probably in trouble.

[Kate Hudson]

You ratted out your little brother?

[Child Voice]

Well, you know, I'm. I'm a real homekeeper. So with my apartment, I. I'm a little bit of a ocd, like, neat freak. So if things aren't just the way I want them, there's a little bit of a problem.

[Jack Brinkley Cook]

She said she's a hyper neat freak. She.

[Oliver Hudson]

She.

[Jack Brinkley Cook]

Everything she does is meticulous. So.

[Kate Hudson]

Yeah.

[Child Voice]

See the flowers in the back? I like to keep things.

[Oliver Hudson]

What's your sign?

[Child Voice]

Things. Pretty does. You get like. I get stressed if there's clutter around.

[Oliver Hudson]

Yeah. I don't like clutter.

[Child Voice]

Hate it.

[Oliver Hudson]

Alexa, let's start with. With you. So you. So you grew up. You were eight years old when your parents divorced. Dad's Billy Joel, Mom's Christy, Ray. We got to get into the parents because, like, I was saying to Oliver before you guys got on that, that was clearly Oliver's, like, first, like, one of his big crushes was when I was a baby. Your mom.

[Child Voice]

Oh, of course.

[Oliver Hudson]

Yeah. I mean, like, the hottest. Like, the Ferrari, you know, vacation situation was like. Your mom was just everything. Yeah.

[Child Voice]

Iconic, the ultimate.

[Oliver Hudson]

But you came out of, like, the. Like, they were just such a couple, you know, and when. When they broke up would. Do you, like. Do you remember it?

[Child Voice]

Of course. Yeah. I was nine. I was nine years old when they divorced. And, yeah, I mean, you know, they were my world, and we were the three Musketeers, so we were always together, singing mom would, you know, bring me out on the road. And we were very. Just sort of like a musical family, always singing together, always putting on a show. And so, yeah, it was. It was a shock to me. But, you know, you should. You should probably watch my father's documentary and. Because it really delves into all of that and the pressures that my father was going through at the time. He had to go back on the road when he just wanted to stay home with me and mom because his manager at the time ripped him off and stole hundreds of thousands of dollars. And so he had to get back on the road and make that up. And that was a part of. You know, that was a part of. Maybe it was more. It might have been millions. Actually, now that I'm recounting, I think it was millions. That was a big strain. I sometimes wonder, you know, there's a. There's a. There's a pros and cons to everything. Because I sometimes wonder, well, if the manager hadn't come into the picture and he didn't have to get back on the road, maybe they would have stayed together, but then I wouldn't have had my wonderful. You know, I mean, you know, life is funny.

[Oliver Hudson]

How did mom manage the family, like, the unit? So you've got three dads. I know. Alexa, you're a little bit older, but with you and Sailor, especially Jack, like, how did she manage the unit? And did it really feel like you guys were one unit, or was there a lot of spreading out based on where the dads were or.

[Jack Brinkley Cook]

I mean, my. My experience is, is that we always felt like one unit. I think that probably when, yeah, my mom got her last divorce, I think it brought us all closer together, naturally.

[Child Voice]

It really did.

[Jack Brinkley Cook]

And that was the moment where we,

[Child Voice]

like, really unified, but we unified around my mother, too. Because she was going through it. And so it gave us a real sense of solidarity. And, you know, I mean, there's nothing like when you can relate to going through a divorce. We both experienced that, and then it did. It kind of bonded us closer together, and now we all couldn't be closer. I mean, you know, Jack doesn't go a day without speaking to my mom. I don't go a day without speaking. And she's the best mom in the sense that she. She worries. She wants to make sure everybody's okay. If she doesn't hear, you know, from us for too long, she's like, I just want to make sure you're okay, you know? So we're. We're tight knit, just like you guys. Like, you can see it in your little. I follow Kate on Instagram, and I'm such a fan, by the way. I just love your fan. And it does. It's. You can feel that genuine closeness.

[Oliver Hudson]

It's so great. I can. I can see that with Christy on, you know, with you guys, she.

[Tina Knowles]

Oh, yeah, she's a little bit of

[Jack Brinkley Cook]

a worrier and in a good way. I drove out from the city to the Hamptons last night. It's a two hour drive, and probably every 10 to 12 minutes, my phone would ring and it was my mom, you know, checking in, making sure that

[Kate Hudson]

you hadn't crashed.

[Jack Brinkley Cook]

Yeah, she called me 10 minutes ago. I'm 10 minutes further up the road. We're good.

[Child Voice]

Exactly.

[Kate Hudson]

That is funny.

[Oliver Hudson]

Oh, it sounds like me.

[Kate Hudson]

It sounds like Kate. I was about to say that.

[Child Voice]

Just wants to make sure everybody's okay. She's such a mama bear. She's also super conscious of the environment, health. She's always trying to make us aware of. Okay, this is good for you. This is not good for you. She's just. She's that real nurturing mama bear type.

[Oliver Hudson]

All right, everybody. All of our sibling revelry listeners, I am solo today. I am sans Olivier Hudson, which I'm kind of happy about, even though I always love having him around. Sometimes it's nice to have a little break. And. And I get to interview, like, an absolute icon because she gave birth to the girl. The biggest icon out there right now. I get to interview Tina Knowles. And I'm very excited because I just want to know everything about her and how she raised those two insanely powerful and beautiful daughters, Beyonce and Solange.

[Tina Knowles]

Oh, I haven't seen you in a long time.

[Oliver Hudson]

I know. It has been a long time.

[Tina Knowles]

I was thinking about the first time I met You. And you might not even remember, but we were at Jay's. I think it was, like, his 35th birthday.

[Oliver Hudson]

It was his 40th.

[Tina Knowles]

It was his 40th.

[Oliver Hudson]

I think it was his 40th.

[Tina Knowles]

Okay, so it makes.

[Oliver Hudson]

That was a fun party.

[Tina Knowles]

It was a really fun party. That was, you know, a Carter Club or something.

[Oliver Hudson]

Yeah, we had so much fun.

[Tina Knowles]

And you were talking about her mom. You were saying that that kind of reminded you of your mom because she was fun and.

[Brooks Nader]

Yeah.

[Oliver Hudson]

Well, I also remember I was contemplating the relationship I was in at the time, and I was sitting off on this on, like, a. Sort of away from the house a little bit on the beach, and I. I remember I looked out to my right, and I saw this, like, beautiful goddess just walking down the beach, and she walked up, and it was your daughter. And Beyonce just sat. We sat, and we had one of the great conversations.

[Tina Knowles]

I regret she told me.

[Oliver Hudson]

Yeah, it was just one of those things I'll never. I'll never forget because she was so. She was very helpful at that time for me, and. But I'm excited to talk to you because you' such an interesting, amazing life and give. Gave birth to such powerful women. What do you think has been the most sort of powerful foundation of your. Of your life?

[Tina Knowles]

Probably just my upbringing. You know, with my mom, I had. I had a super close relationship with my mother. My mother was 44 when she had me, which back then was. You know, I was born in 1954, so she was an older mom, and I was pretty much her life because, you know, our other kids were older, and we had this really, really close relationship. And then when I became a teenager, it was very strained. My relationship with my mom up until probably around 18, we went through kind of a rough patch.

[Oliver Hudson]

Really?

[Tina Knowles]

Yeah. But if I had to say what was my foundation? It absolutely was my family. And just growing up really poor in the south with a lot of racism, and it just taught me to be a fighter really early on.

[Oliver Hudson]

It becomes very clear within, like, five minutes of talking to you where your girls get their strength. You are an incredibly strong woman. I'm talk about your fashion and. And your love for it and, like, what you think defines personal style. I kind of have this. I feel very discouraged by the fashion world because I find that trends are becoming what's fashionable versus people actually creating their own style. Their own style. It's a bit. It's. It used to be so different, like in the late 90s and when Beyonce and I were. Were both coming up at the same. That time, yes. We didn't have, like, stylists, and like, we were creating our own vibe, and that doesn't really exist as much anymore. I wonder how you feel about this.

[Tina Knowles]

Well, you know, I. My nephew, the one that Beyonce sings about, John. Uncle Johnny made my dress. I don't know if you heard that. That cheap spandex, it looks a mess. It's a whole thing with that. But he was my nephew and he was gay, and he was my very best friend growing up, and so he could sew and design and create the most amazing clothes. So when the girls started and the record company wouldn't give me money to buy them designer clothes, they might give me fifteen hundred dollars for four girls. I would take the it and buy expensive fabric and copy something or. Or just design it from scratch and make these costumes. What was your.

[Oliver Hudson]

I have chooses. Now, now. Two questions. Because the fir. The first part of that was I'd love to know who your. When you were younger, who your style icon was. Like, who did you look up to that you were like, oh, my God. Like, I just.

[Tina Knowles]

I loved Diana Ross in the Springs.

[Oliver Hudson]

Yeah.

[Tina Knowles]

You know, I was. They're. They're. She's like 10 years older than me, so my sister was a huge fan. She had all their music. But, I mean, for me to watch them on tv, the costumes that they wore were unbelievable.

[Oliver Hudson]

Oh, the best.

[Tina Knowles]

I wanted to be her because I was, you know, I was in a singing group and I was skinny like her, and I would just move, do all her moves. I was obsessed with Diana Ross. Oh, she was my style icon. Which is really interesting because, you know, it was mostly, like, costumey stuff. So when I was doing Destiny's Child, that's the criticism that I got all the time. They dogged me out as a designer because they would always say the stuff is too over the top and it's too dramatic and it's too shiny and it's too, too, too, too. But they were stage, you know, they were on stage.

[Oliver Hudson]

It was awesome. You know, I. I have to say, it's so funny when I think about, like, you know, who. Like critics. You always want people to like what you do, but then you. Sometimes you think you're like, wait, who. Who are these faceless people?

[Brooks Nader]

Yeah, like.

[Oliver Hudson]

Like what.

[Brooks Nader]

What if.

[Oliver Hudson]

What did they do that made them the person that can actually tell? You know, it's like you can't listen to any of it.

[Tina Knowles]

And they probably would say, we were real fashion people and she was not, you know, Because I'm not formally trained. So I was real insecure about that for a long time, and they used to dog me out. But, you know, it's funny because when I look back on some of that stuff, I'm like, I was doing pretty good.

[Oliver Hudson]

Yes.

[Kate Hudson]

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[Oliver Hudson]

I used to feel so guilty handing over the tablet just to get things done.

[Child Voice]

We all do.

[Oliver Hudson]

But honestly, I switched to Lingokids. The guilt is gone, and the kids are obsessed.

[Lingokids Narrator]

Really?

[Tina Knowles]

Do they actually like it?

[Oliver Hudson]

Oh, they love it. It's all games, music lessons, and stories. They think they're just playing, but I know they're safe from weird ads and junk.

[Kate Hudson]

Mom, look.

[Child Voice]

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[Oliver Hudson]

See?

[Brooks Nader]

They're happy.

[Oliver Hudson]

I'm happy.

[Tina Knowles]

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[Lingokids Narrator]

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[Oliver Hudson]

Hi, this is Jo Winterstein, host of the Spirit Daughter Podcast where we talk about astrology. Natal charts and how to step into your most vibrant life. And I just sat down with a

[Tina Knowles]

mini driver, The Irish traveler said when I was 16. You're gonna have a terrible time with men.

[Oliver Hudson]

Actor, storyteller and unapologetic Aquarian visionary, Aquarius is all about freedom loving and different perspectives. And I find a lot of people with strong placements in Aquarius like are Misunderstood a Sun and Venus. Venus and Aquarius in her seventh house Spark her unconventional approach to partnership.

[Kate Hudson]

He really has taught me to embrace

[Brooks Nader]

people sleeping in different rooms, on different

[Jameela Jamil]

houses, in different places, but just an

[Brooks Nader]

embracing of the isness of it all.

[Oliver Hudson]

If you're navigating your own transformation or just want a chart side view into how a leading artist integrates astrology, creativity and real life, this episode is a must. Listen Listen to the Spirit Daughter podcast starting on February 24th on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you listen to your podcast. I wonder what your crowning moment was for. For with Destiny's Child, like, what was like said one of their looks that you were the most proud of.

[Tina Knowles]

Two things stand out. One thing is when things started changing for me as far as really being more secure in myself as a designer was the Faux Fashion Awards. They used to have this fashion award. I don't know if you remember that we went to this faux fashion award and of course I made these outfits for them. And when we got there, they had this whole tribute to Destiny's Child and how they had affected the fashion world. And I was like, oh my God. You know, And I remember them getting an award for their costumes and they, they remade their costumes and they had whole, like, little fashion moment.

[Brooks Nader]

Oh my God.

[Tina Knowles]

And I was like, so shocked. And they brought me on stage. And Kelly says at that speech, she's like. And I'm getting choked up about it because, you know, at that time I was really getting dogged out. And she brought me on. They brought me on stage and she said, all of these costumes that y' all are clapping for, this lady did. And, you know, it kind of changed things because people started respecting me a little more.

[Oliver Hudson]

And you worked on this clothes still?

[Tina Knowles]

Well, what I do now is like the tour that they just went on, I hired a stylist. I keep the budgets. Which is really hard because she has probably. Beyonce alone has maybe 300 costumes for the tour. No, she changes every night, like three or four things, and a lot of them don't make it. And so the stylist. The last tour, I hired four people a Team of four people, four stylists. And that's not even including the dancer stylist, and accessory stylist and some big, big, big operation because it's 500 people on that tour, and that's how big the tour.

[Oliver Hudson]

Wow.

[Tina Knowles]

And she changes so much. And then you have, like, 27 dancers, and then you have a band that's like 12 people, and she wants them to change. And so that's a big operation. So I kind of just head up that whole thing of how keeping the budgets, troubleshooting every single day. So it's, you know, it's a lot. It's a lot of work. People don't understand for her to change three and four times a night with costumes for that many people is such a big undertaking. And I think it's like 40 regular people in wardrobe that travel to every city. Then we hire about 20 more people. So that's a lot to keep together.

[Oliver Hudson]

How do you manage being mom? The dynamic of mom and daughter, when you're together a lot of the time?

[Tina Knowles]

Well, it's, you know, it's her show. It's her stuff. She runs the show. And I'm just a. Like everybody else in terms of being, you know, there to support her. But sometimes, you know, we go at it because we're. We are mother and daughter.

[Oliver Hudson]

Yeah.

[Tina Knowles]

And we have differences and opinions or whatever. But, you know, I have sense enough to know that that's her stuff. Like, she grew up hearing all the time, this is my shit. And so that's her favorite thing is this is my shit at the end of the day. So, you know, concede to that also. But we. We get along really, really, really well. Mother and daughter. We get along pretty good because I know them front, back, you know, and. And not be a mom and just.

[Oliver Hudson]

Yeah, I think that's the interesting thing. Like, my mom has been pretty good with that as well. Like, she doesn't in certain places. I think sometimes what my mom does do, which is. Which I love, is she'll check in with me if she can feel that I'm overwhelmed or. Yeah. And she'll check in and be like, are you. I'm feeling that you might be over. Are you okay, honey? You know, like, do you want to talk about anything?

[Tina Knowles]

Right. And that means a difference. Lord, just to have somebody that you can just be completely 100% vulnerable with and not have to be protected.

[Oliver Hudson]

You know, I would think that for both of your girls, for you to sort of even just like, be behind the scenes doing the thing, but that you're there is probably incredibly. Yeah.

[Tina Knowles]

And I stay with the family the whole time so that the kids have their grandmother and I can give her a break. And I just try to support in any way I can. You know, Solange is very different. Cause Solange won't have me on tour. She never has. I used to dress her, but she would take the clothes and say, mom, I don't need you crowding me. You know, I need my space. So they're very different in that way.

[Oliver Hudson]

No matter what. I know we grow up and there's things of like, you know, you do it for yourself too. Not always, but like there's nothing like making your parents proud. It's nothing like, like doesn't matter how old you are, what kind of success. It's just, it's the best feeling in the world. This is an iHeart podcast. Guaranteed Human.