Living Up to the Legacy with Tony Goldwyn and Anna Musky-Goldwyn

Summary

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Sibling Revelry with Kate Hudson and Oliver Hudson

Episode: “Living Up to the Legacy with Tony Goldwyn and Anna Musky-Goldwyn”
Guests: Tony Goldwyn (actor, director) & Anna Musky-Goldwyn (writer, podcaster)
Date: October 20, 2025

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Episode Overview

In this insightful and candid episode, hosts Oliver Hudson and (briefly) Kate Hudson welcome father-daughter duo Tony Goldwyn and Anna Musky-Goldwyn. The discussion centers on the complexities of legacy, nepotism (“nepo babies”), and the joys and pressures of following creative paths established by previous generations. They also delve into family dynamics, creative motivation, parenting, mentorship, and the unique rewards and vulnerabilities of working with family.

This conversation is rich with personal anecdotes about growing up with famous—or creative—parents, the pressures of living up to a family name, and the hard-won wisdom that comes from both failure and success.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Nepotism in the Entertainment Industry—and Beyond

• Topic Context: Anna and Tony co-host “Far from the Tree,” a podcast exploring the phenomenon of “Nepo babies”—children of successful parents in creative fields.
• Broadening the Conversation:
  • Anna observes the conversation around nepotism is too often restricted to Hollywood, ignoring how prevalent it is in all sectors.
    • “It’s such a hot topic in our industry, but it spans everything—finance bros definitely benefit too.” (Anna, 06:36)
• Pressure vs. Privilege:
  • Both Anna and Tony balance acknowledging privilege with the real, internal pressures that come from high-achieving family legacies.
    • “There’s the obvious privilege and blessings ... but there’s a side of it that can be really stressful. The journey for people who aren’t movie stars yet is also interesting.” (Anna, 09:00)

2. The Weight of Legacy and Self-Definition

• Personal Experiences:
  • Tony: Reflects on his struggle to carve out his identity amidst the legacy of his famous grandfather (Sam Goldwyn) and father. He notes it took him until his forties to view it positively.
    • “It took me until I was in my 40s to get my head around it in a positive way ... there was a process of self re-education … I don’t have to sign up for that reality.” (Tony, 11:39)
  • Oliver: Shares about forging his own path as the child of Goldie Hawn and Kurt Russell, feeling eclipsed by his sister Kate’s meteoric career.
    • “My production company is called Slow Burn because that’s what I am. My sister burned hot … for me it was like, what about me?” (Oliver, 10:08)
• Parental Anxiety:
  • Tony recounts his father's fear of him failing, which translated as pressure but was rooted in love:
    • “He so feared me failing … not learning how to welcome failure and go, ‘that was a face plant, what did I learn?’ … the pain is what makes you an interesting person.” (Tony, 14:12; 15:17)
• Learning to Manage Expectations:
  • Anna identifies the mixture of external privilege and internal pressure—particularly when things aren’t working out.
    • “What if I can’t do what they did? … It’s not coming from them, it’s usually an internal thing.” (Anna, 08:34)

3. Failure, Resilience, and Parenting Philosophies

• Letting Kids Face Hardship:
  • Tony and Oliver discuss the ‘soft landings’ parents provide, worrying about stripping away grit from the next generation.
    • “I feel like we’re not letting our children fall on their face enough these days.” (Oliver, 17:32)
• Mentorship Beyond Family:
  • Anna discusses her realization that relying solely on parent-mentors can limit professional growth.
    • “I didn’t take it upon myself to seek out other mentorship ... at the beginning I felt comfortable calling my parents, but it doesn’t create the same entrepreneurship in an early career.” (Anna, 25:53)
• Navigating Professional Relationships:
  • Tony tries not to replicate his father’s anxious patterns, instead learning to “restrain the impulse” to fix everything for his children.
    • “The key is to wait for your kid to ask for help rather than charging in.” (Tony, 25:29)

4. Discovering Creativity—Paths and Pivots

• Anna’s Journey:
  • Was a “total jock” in school, only considering a creative career after college athletics; discovered writing in UCLA’s English department.
    • “I was not a kid writing scripts ... I was an athlete ... It wasn’t until college, not making the Olympics, that I thought: What do I do now?” (Anna, 31:29)
  • The sense of “making it” came during grad school and her first writer’s room job.
• Creative Persistence:
  • Being persistent, both as an athlete and as a writer, is key—especially when wrestling with industry dry spells or the volatility of the arts.
    • “Just hustling up gigs, staying engaged and creative, because that’s all we can do.” (Oliver, 32:49)

5. Staying Creative: Fulfillment vs. Validation

• The Myth of Arrival:
  • Tony debunks the myth that professional security or “making it” erases self-doubt.
    • “There is no ‘there’ ... you get there and you realize, ‘now I have to get what’s next’ ... it’s all the same stew.” (Tony, 34:58)
• Community and the Creative “Drug”:
  • Participating in creative communities or returning to small, passion-driven projects (like home short films) revives energy and purpose.
    • “If you can stay creative and in community, you’re 90% there—you’re alive.” (Tony, 35:46)
    • “Making a short film with family ... it’s like a drug.” (Oliver, 36:50; Anna, 38:09)

6. Family Dynamics: Generational Differences and Sibling Experiences

• Goldwyn Family:
  • Tony describes being one of six siblings, raised away from showbiz glamour to avoid “spoiled Hollywood kids.” His own kids also grew up in Connecticut, fairly removed from movie business trappings.
    • “My dad did not want that for his kids ... he was afraid we’d be spoiled ... kept us away from the glamour of it.” (Tony, 47:52)
• Hudson Family:
  • Oliver describes being immersed in sets, but with parents emphasizing that “this isn’t real life” behind closed doors.
    • “Inside the house, it was very normal. Growing up with Goldie Hawn and Kurt Russell, people think it’s wild, but it was just... normal.” (Oliver, 51:25)
• The Oddities of Fame:
  • Both Anna and Oliver share the weirdness of seeing parents idolized—especially as kids.
    • “When people would come up to my mom at dinner, I felt like she was being taken away from me.” (Oliver, 52:59)
    • "When my dad was on Scandal ... suddenly all these middle-aged women were like, 'your dad is hot.' That became odd." (Anna, 53:16)

7. Working Together: The Family Professional Dynamic

• Launching “Far from the Tree”:
  • The Goldwyns’ podcast is new (~4 episodes in) but feels like an organic outgrowth of their relationship.
    • “It’s a dialogue Anna and I have always had … working together is just natural.” (Tony, 59:46)
  • Anna values the mix of creativity and entrepreneurship the podcast requires and appreciates meeting diverse parent-child duos in different fields.
    • “Anyone who has the opportunity to work with someone in their family, it’s such an awesome gift.” (Anna, 62:31)
• Emotional Inheritance Over Nepotism:
  • Anna coins the phrase, “emotional inheritance” to describe the creative legacy passed down—not just opportunities.
    • “It’s like an emotional inheritance… your creative spirit kind of passes down.” (Anna, 70:13)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Nepotism's Double-Edged Sword:
  • “You use what you can get … Of course nepotism exists. It gets your foot in the door, but you have to prove yourself.” — Oliver Hudson (06:48)
• On Internal Pressure of Legacy:
  • “What if I can’t do what they did?” — Anna Musky-Goldwyn (08:50)
• Therapeutic Wisdom on Identity:
  • “With the help of a good therapist, I learned I don’t have to sign up for that reality…” — Tony Goldwyn (11:39)
• On the Universality of Uncertainty:
  • “Tom Cruise is still trying to stay Tom Cruise, and the kid from Iowa is just trying to get an agent … That thought, ‘am I ever going to work again?’ never goes away.” — Oliver Hudson, 33:08
• On Finding Joy in Creation:
  • “If you can stay creative and commune with creative people that you vibe with, you’re 90% of the way there … then you’re alive.” — Tony Goldwyn (35:46)
• On “Emotional Inheritance”:
  • “It’s not nepotism, it’s the beauty of your creative spirit being handed down.” — Anna, 71:13

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• (06:36) — Anna and Oliver riff on the broad pervasiveness of nepotism
• (09:00-11:39) — The burden and blessing of family legacy
• (13:57-15:28) — Tony’s relationship with his own father and learning to accept failure
• (17:32) — Oliver and Tony on the soft landings we give our kids
• (25:53) — Anna on the potential pitfalls of only seeking mentorship from parents
• (29:05-31:29) — Anna explains her athletic background and gradual gravitation to creative writing
• (33:08-36:07) — The neverending hustle and the myth of “arriving”
• (38:09-39:16) — Anna gets creative during the strikes, makes a family short film
• (47:52-51:25) — Goldwyn and Hudson childhoods: proximity and distance from Hollywood glitz
• (52:59-54:54) — Being the child of a famous parent and the oddities of fan encounters
• (59:02-62:31) — Starting a family podcast: motivations, joys, and surprises
• (70:13-71:23) — Emotional inheritance as a “family legacy” beyond access

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Conclusion

This episode offers a layered, honest exploration of what it means to grow up “in the business” and how family connections shape, help, and occasionally haunt personal and professional identity. With warmth, humor, and self-reflection, Tony, Anna, and Oliver remind listeners that legacy is as much about evolving relationships, perseverance, and creativity as it is about name recognition.

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For more on Anna and Tony’s conversations about legacy and family, check out their podcast “Far from the Tree.”

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[Anna Goldwyn]

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[Oliver Hudson]

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[Anna Goldwyn]

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[Oliver Hudson]

Our relationship and what it's like to be siblings. We are a sibling rivalry.

[Anna Goldwyn]

No no.

[Oliver Hudson]

Sibling rivalry. Don't do that with your mouth. Sibling revelry.

[Anna Goldwyn]

That's good.

[Oliver Hudson]

All right, we're back. It feels like.

[Podcast Announcer]

Remember that.

[Oliver Hudson]

Remember that movie called, oh, Pump up the Volume with Christian Slater? And he had this, like, pirate radio station. Love that movie. I used to watch that movie all the time, but I sort of weirdly feel like I'm doing that sometimes. It just crossed my mind. I think it's because I'm finding. Well, the places to do my podcast are becoming more limited and more limited, and right now I am in my office. Well, it's not even my office. It's. It's like an office, quote, unquote, but more of a storage room. I'm sure everyone can relate to that, where you have a. A room that should function as a room or, you know, something that you can be productive in, but it just ends up as a storage facility. Well, that's where I am right now, because when I do a podcast in the middle of the day, I'm okay. But in about 30 minutes, all hell is going to break loose in my house. So I am now have been relegated to a storage facility in my home. And it just weirdly felt like I was doing something sort of, you know, sort of like not correct. Back, like back, backwoods. Like, I'm a pirate radio dj. I don't know why I'm thinking this. Maybe I took too much acid. Anyway, this is fun. We've got a couple people in the waiting room right now. One man is an actor that I admire greatly. He's done amazing all of his life, and I think he's actually in the upcoming Paul Thomas Anderson movie, which apparently is incredible. Tony Goldwyn and his daughter Anna Goldwyn are here, and they're in the waiting room, and they have a podcast that I can't wait to talk to them about. It's called Far from the Tree, and it's all about Nepo babies. And we're going to get into it and talk to him about it. But I just love this idea because it's been such a hot topic forever and it's so directed at, you know, our industry, the entertainment industry, when really it spans everything. And I've even said that before. Anyway, let's not listen to me pontificate. Let's bring them in, because I'm excited. Talk to him about all of it. Hi. Hey, how's it going? Hey, guys, how are you?

[Anna Goldwyn]

So nice to meet you.

[Oliver Hudson]

Great to meet you. This is so exciting. You know, first of all, Tony, I've Loved everything that you've done. I mean, you're an amazing talent. Peter's your brother, right?

[Tony Goldwyn]

Peter is my brother. Yeah. He told me. Did you guys go to school together or you just.

[Oliver Hudson]

Yeah, we were, but he lives in my neighborhood. I see Peter all the time. Peter bought like, 18 homes in the neighborhood and sold them all, and then now he's married and he's got another, you know. But I love Peter.

[Anna Goldwyn]

He just had a baby.

[Oliver Hudson]

Fun times. Just had a baby. Yeah.

[Tony Goldwyn]

Yeah. We were talking about you last week because I was in LA and I can't remember how your. Your name came, but I remember him telling me that. That you guys were friends.

[Oliver Hudson]

Yeah, no, he's great. Usually I start with, he'll go back into your life and do all this. But I just love the topic of your podcast so much because it's something that I talk about all the time.

[Anna Goldwyn]

Time.

[Oliver Hudson]

Not just in my personal life or with Kate, but even on. On our show, you know, about nepotism and about how it sort of has blown up and how it is, for some reason, strictly directed at our. Our industry.

[Anna Goldwyn]

Right. As if it doesn't happen all over the place.

[Oliver Hudson]

It's such. I. I totally, you know, I can.

[Anna Goldwyn]

Show you some finance bros who have definitely benefited, you know, And I always.

[Oliver Hudson]

Say, look, we use what we can get, you know, I mean, we always are trying to get a leg up in everything that we do. I. I would say and argue and tell me what you guys think that in this business, of course nepotism exists. It gets your foot in the door, but you have to prove yourself. You know what I mean? If you're the CEO of a company, you can pretty much put your son or daughter wherever you want. This is a little bit different, you know? Yeah, you can get the audition or, yeah, you can get in front of people, but at the end of the day, you still have to have the chops. You still have to prove yourself.

[Tony Goldwyn]

Yeah, it's a complicated thing. I mean, that's totally true. And especially in a creative industry like ours, you. You. You know, you. You got to be able to put it on the page or on the stage or whatever your thing is. But the other thing is, it's. It's a complicated thing, too, because there's obviously, there's so many. I think the thing that inspired Anna and me, and we would laugh about the whole nepotism thing, but we also found it such a. Like, we felt so lucky to be able to share that part of our relationship. And I had, you know, like, it was really complicated initially with. Between me and my dad because I think when you're young and you're coming into something where it's complicated, you have to create your own identity. That, to me personally, was the hardest thing. Once I kind of got my head around that, it was just such a positive thing. And when we were talking, Anna and I were talking about it and we thought, well, as you said, Oliver, like, every business in history functions like, oh, it's often passed down to the generation beyond. That's a normal thing. But somehow in show business it's become, you know, the whole Nepo Baby thing is. But it kind of made us laugh. Weren't you originally thinking of doing like a Nepo Baby podcast with Emily?

[Anna Goldwyn]

I mean, I think the whole thing is kind of culturally quite interesting. And I guess the piece that I always. And maybe all really, you feel this. Well, I guess, dad, you feel the same way too, because your parents. But like, yeah, I'm always like, yeah, there's so much privilege in it and there's no skirting around that. But at the same time, like, it also can feel like this immense amount of pressure. And because, you know, what's. I've said this, like, you know what's possible, you look and you're like, oh, they did it. They succeeded at it. They, you know, especially in this industry, figured out how to do something that is incredibly difficult to find success. And then in the moments where I've had early in my career where things aren't going so well, or I'm feeling a little bit down on myself, I'm like, oh, my God, what if, what if I don't? What if I can't do that? What if I can't do what they did? And so I think there's, you know, there's the obvious privilege and blessings and amazing things about following in your parents footsteps or having that relationship, but I think there's also a side of it that can be really stressful sometimes. And luckily, when you have supportive parents, it's not coming from them. It's usually like an internal thing. But that I think that there's that balance too, that often we're looking at Nepo babies in our culture as like, you know, the people who have had the most success. Right. But there's a lot of young people who are trying to do what their parents did and who aren't movie stars yet or who aren't incredibly successful athletes yet or whatever it is. And that's also the journey that, that I find particularly interesting.

[Oliver Hudson]

Oh yeah. Especially because when you're looking, when you're, when you're thinking about nepotism, especially in our business, usually when it's a pub, when it's public nepotism, that person, that parent has become something larger than life, you know, for their children to sort of try to live up to that, you know, like I grew up, Goldie Hawn and Kurt Russell were my parents, you know, and it's like, oh well, to achieve what they have achieved is very, very difficult. So you put it into some sort of perspective at the same time, for me personally it was at the same, it was also about not getting down on myself and you know, just feeling like it was too big of a task to accomplish so I might as well quit. It was trying to sort of forge my own path. My production company is called Slow Burn because that's what I am, you know. Yeah, my sister burned hot, she worked her ass off. But bang, things happen. Almost famous. Boom, boom, boom, bang. You know. And so for me it was kind of like, what about me? I mean there's this feeling that I have and still have and I've used self deprecating humor to cover all of.

[Anna Goldwyn]

My pain, as we all do.

[Oliver Hudson]

But you know, it's, it's, it's definitely real. Those expectations like, like you said, Anna, that you put upon yourself are, you know, larger than what your parents do. That your parents just want you to be happy at the end of the day. Right?

[Tony Goldwyn]

Yeah. So true. You know, I, I, because I, I what I, the thing that was, it took me really until, honestly until I was in my 40s I think when I started to get my head around it in a positive way and realized that it was a, you know, my perspective because in one sense it was a motivator. The things you guys are talking about, that, that drive. But it can be kind of a negative motivator and it's completely self imposed. So you like I found, oh, I don't, you know, with the help of a good therapist, of course. I don't have to like sign up for that, that, that perspective on that. I don't have to sign up for that reality. There's actually, that is not the reality. So there was a process of self re education and you know, that helped me personally really improve my relationship with my father. And for the second sort of in the second half of my life and this second, probably the final third of his life, we had this very beautiful relationship and our shared work lives were suddenly as opposed to being something I felt Somehow pressured by, and had assigned all of these things to him that he felt judged or something. I was like, that's all. Like I was just a childhood tape or something playing in my head. And, and, you know, anyway, it ended up being such a beautiful thing that we actually shared in his, you know, his struggles. And, you know, he was dealing with the same thing with his father because I'm like, you know, you're second, but I'm third generation. Third, fourth, so. And he had a big weight of his father being Sam Goldwyn, you know, and, and he grew up in like the red hot center of the golden age of Hollywood. That was, that was hard.

[Podcast Announcer]

Yeah.

[Tony Goldwyn]

So he, he, you know, I realized like, oh, man, look what he did. And he was such a good dad. And then the fact that he was such a devoted and engaged parent, you know, despite of whatever, you know, we all have our.

[Oliver Hudson]

Sure, sure.

[Tony Goldwyn]

Anyway, it's.

[Oliver Hudson]

Yeah. So what was that like, though, with your father coming to terms with it? Was it, was it Rocky at first or was it, was it smooth sailing? As far as it was Rocky?

[Tony Goldwyn]

For me, it was, it was a little Rocky. But again, I, you know, I think a lot of that was self imposed. It was Rocky because he had a tremendous amount of anxiety that it was not going to go well for me.

[Oliver Hudson]

Oh, oh, wow.

[Tony Goldwyn]

You know what I mean? Like, because he knew my dad was, you know, was a producer and.

[Oliver Hudson]

Yeah.

[Tony Goldwyn]

And his kind of perspective is that they're like successful actors and they're not. He wasn't an actor. He didn't think of it in the terms of, like, you know, this is your passion and you go and, you know, try and slay your dragon. So he was very supportive in one sense, like, okay, it's great. You find a passion. You're going to do this, you know, go do it and you know, you have to do it on your own because it's not something I can really help you with. But, but, but at the same time, I know personally he just had so much anxiety. He was, he so feared me failing. And that was a frailty of his. I ultimately came to understand totally because falling on your face is such a huge important part of, of every product, the creative process of one's career of figuring out who you are. Just life and ultimately not being. We're all afraid to fail, but not learning how to kind of welcome failure and go, okay, that was a face plant. How do I, what did I. You know, you learn from stuff and that the pain that you go through is, is what Makes you an interesting person. So once he kind of was able to let go of that and I started to have, you know, got my feet on the ground and he could let go of that anxiety. It could. That also changed. But. So that was the only.

[Oliver Hudson]

Was there that moment though, where it's like, ah, Tony fucking did it. He had there, he had his moment. He's on the, he's on the big screen and I can, I can now breathe easy.

[Tony Goldwyn]

Yes and no. Which also was real a lesson for me. And I've tried just like not carry this through to Anna and her sister Tess. And it was like he would for a moment, like when I got my first big job, like, first good part in a movie where I was like popped up, people knew who I was and it was all good. He was so excited and proud of me and all the like, heat he was putting on me about, you know, let's go, this isn't working out, or what are you, what are you doing? That all evaporated. He was so excited. And then in about a few months later, he's like, so, so what's the next thing, you know, what scripts are you getting? Did they not. What are you rageous doing? You didn't get a. Like, why aren't you in that movie? He literally would call me. I heard about this movie. You should be in that. I'm like, pop Brad Pitt. I'm sorry. Well, why shouldn't you do it? You know, you should call, you should call, you should like it. And so it was a bit of a. And then I started directing, you know, like some years later and he was so excited for that. And I got made my first movie as a director and he loved that we had such a fun, fun, like communicating about that. But then again, it was like, oh, God, what's the next, what's your next picture? You know, And I realized, oh, that's his. Yeah, him up, man.

[Podcast Announcer]

Yeah.

[Tony Goldwyn]

I felt bad for him. I was like, we're good, I'm good, we're good.

[Oliver Hudson]

Yeah. No, that's really interesting. I wonder where, you know, from a psychological place where that came from. Because the anxiety of your children is normal. We know that. I've got three kids. I've got 18, 15 and 12. You know, you want them to be happy, you want them to succeed. Going back to falling on your face. I feel like we're not letting our children fall on their face enough these days. You know, we, we're just providing such soft landings for them that I, I worry that the grit is evolving or devolving out of us, you know, but at the same time, you just don't want them to get hurt. I mean, that's the thing, you know.

[Anna Goldwyn]

I think it also though, like, came so much from his experience. Like, I think that's also what's so hard. I'm not, I mean, I'm not a parent, but like, what I imagine as a parent is your taking your own experience and trying to like, pull the wisdom out of it. And I feel like for grandpa, it was partially anxiety that he didn't want you to have a hard time, but also the anxiety that was derived from him watching projects fall apart and watching things go away over his whole career. And like, I think that that's something on the receiving end of that as a kid where you. It's like he was trying to give you a wisdom, but the way he was giving you the wisdom was in the form of anxiety as opposed to in the form of, like, let me talk to you about what this world can be. And I think that that's like, maybe the healthier way to have that conversation as the. It seems like his instinct was to kind of like, brace for you because he knew that it was hard. And I think that's something that. I don't know. I feel like you've. You very much have avoided that in parenting. Me and Tess in this business. Ye.

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There's still tons to do there in the fall. Dreamy Draw Music Festival is always a good vibe. Canal Convergence is a cool annual art event at the Scottsdale waterfront. And it gets decked out for the holidays, including Scott's Dazzle when Old Town gets all festive and all lit. So you gotta go visit unwindinscotsdale.com today.

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[Oliver Hudson]

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[Oliver Hudson]

You get your podcasts. Tony, how are you as far as passing that sort of pattern down? I guess you could call it seems like you are you don't.

[Anna Goldwyn]

You don't have that the complete opposite.

[Tony Goldwyn]

Well yeah I'm try try you know like I mean the thing which you're that's really was is true Anna about Grandpa that because he had you know, tremendous pressure of how could he live up to what his father had achieved.

[Oliver Hudson]

Right.

[Tony Goldwyn]

And he had the same name like he was Samuel Goldwyn Jr. So he was really that was it and so he was very tough on himself like you said. So when he experienced his failures and successes that was just hard for him. So that's what I've tried to do A because I've learned to appreciate my own the value of my own failures which are many and accept that kind of pain. As a parent we've talked about this before is it especially it's hard throughout childhood but even when your kids become adults you want to like you want to keep them from that pain. And like with Anna I realized Anna, you know got for got successful very fast and was like always seemed to be a kid who had these goals and would achieve them. She was an athlete and worked her butt off but endured pain but everything was always you know she was able to like knock over her goals and and I would worry in in her young life like oh my God, when this is happening like she's Having too much success.

[Oliver Hudson]

Right.

[Tony Goldwyn]

You know, you can't avoid the 2 by 4 in the head at some point.

[Anna Goldwyn]

So, yeah, it happened.

[Tony Goldwyn]

I'm so proud of her. But I was like, oh man, when's it, you know, so then when inevitably Anna went through, you know, a rough patch or two, the impulses to run in and try and help alleviate the pain and fix and come up with solutions, and I really had to learn to restrain that impulse and wait for.

[Oliver Hudson]

Wait for her or your, your kid to ask that.

[Tony Goldwyn]

That's. That's the big key. Because it wasn't about. I didn't. I was successful, I think, and not exerting negative pressure, but in. I would try and charge in and then had to really restrain. And you said to me once, and I think we were talking, I remember it was on our podcast or whatever, but that it was actually better for you when mom or me was not helping.

[Anna Goldwyn]

Yeah, I think that the way I had said that was like. And I don't know, maybe both of you can relate to this, but I sort of felt like one of the amazing things about having parents that you can kind of emulate after and also understand what you're doing. Like, I've always felt in comparison to like my husband who works in the business, but his parents don't, or people I've worked with in the past. It's so amazing to be able to like, talk to your parents about what you do. But I think what that often sometimes cuts you off from is like seeking mentorship and other people because you already know your parents and they can help you. And if they're good parents, they're of course willing to like, give you advice and guide you. And I found that something that I. I mean, regret is the wrong word, but like, that I've learned, you know, a little while into my career now and having like big highs and very low lows. Is that at the beginning, because I had you and I had mom and I had, by the way, so many other members of our family that I felt comfortable with talking about work with. I didn't take it upon myself to necessarily like, seek out other mentorship. And I think that that's a really important part of being young in a career. And, you know, I've since found mentors in a really natural way, whether it's working with people or whatever. But, like, there was sort of a comfort of talking to your parents about it because they get it and they know and they can give you good advice and they know you and they have your Best interests at heart. And so I think now, in the last few years, especially, like, a couple years ago when I was really struggling with work and I had other stuff happening in my life that was really difficult. Like, I kind of came to a realization where I was like, oh, I need to start talking to writers who are older than me and, like, producers that I've developed with, going back to them and asking them for advice, because I. I figured out that, like, a default of mine was kind of just calling you or calling mom or. Or whatever, and I think that's great. But I.

[Tony Goldwyn]

It.

[Anna Goldwyn]

It's not the same. It doesn't create the same sense of, like, entrepreneurship in. In an early career, I think, sometimes.

[Oliver Hudson]

Yeah, totally. I mean, for sure. I'm not even sure I've had a mentor, because it's been mom and PA all the time.

[Anna Goldwyn]

Yeah. But so many people do. You know, it's like, my husband is an editor, and he had a film school professor who was this really renowned editor and, like, stayed in touch with him after school. And I went to film school, and I look back and I'm like, man, did I not take advantage of, like, the people that were there enough? Because in a really, like, jaded way, I sort of was like, oh, I already have so many people that can help me and that I can talk to. And I'm like, man, I wish that I had, like, connected more with that professor or like, that person that came to speak or whatever, because I didn't have that void that so many other people pursuing specifically artistic careers, I think have when it comes to mentorship.

[Oliver Hudson]

Yeah. So, Anna, growing up, like, you obviously grew up in the business, it's generational, you know, on sets. Did you know? I mean, did you. Is this it? Is this what you wanted to do? You know, and by the way, you have. You have one sister.

[Anna Goldwyn]

Is that one sister? Yeah. Who's an actor.

[Oliver Hudson]

She's an actor. Okay. So.

[Anna Goldwyn]

So we're all in it. We're all in. And my mom's a production designer.

[Oliver Hudson]

Right. My. My sister's kids want to act. You know, my three kids want to act. My son just did a movie for Netflix. Just did a little movie. I mean, like, it's.

[Commercial Narrator]

It's.

[Oliver Hudson]

It's almost.

[Anna Goldwyn]

We have to have you and your. So we have to have all the generations on our show. Oh, my gosh.

[Tony Goldwyn]

Your clan on 100%.

[Oliver Hudson]

I mean, it's just going to continue down the line.

[Commercial Narrator]

But.

[Oliver Hudson]

So what was that like growing up? I mean, you immediately said, this is what I want to do?

[Anna Goldwyn]

Not really. I mean, we grew up in Connecticut, so we grew up removed sort of like geographically from the business. My mom mainly worked in New York as a production designer, sort of, you know, so that. So. And then my dad would kind of work everywhere. But it wasn't like, all of my friends growing up, their parents worked in, like, finance and insurance and whatever. And I think for me, like, my dad mentioned I was an athlete, and that was, like, that was my thing all throughout, even, like, elementary school, middle school, once I discovered I was good at sports, like, that was it for me. And then went to college for sports. And, you know, I always felt creative. I was always interested in the business. I would enjoy the pretty rare times that I would go to set and see, you know, what my mom or my dad was working on. But it didn't feel. I wasn't like a kid writing scripts. That wasn't, you know, I think there are a lot of people who are like that, and that wasn't me. And it really, for me was in college when I kind of was like, okay, I'm not going to go to the Olympics, so what am I going to do after college? And. And I was an English major, so I kind of enjoyed, obviously, like, storytelling and reading and all of that. And I went to ucla and they have a creative writing program in the English department. And so I applied to be in that and got in. And that was really when I started to be like, oh, I enjoy writing, and got some. Some external validation, which is always helpful.

[Oliver Hudson]

Yeah, you need it. I get it.

[Anna Goldwyn]

And. But, yeah, so it was like, it was always interesting to me, but I was not sort of like this young, you know, thespian kid who was like, all in it. My sister was more like that. She was like, in all the school plays and was taking singing lessons and that stuff, but I was like a total jock. And then did a little bit of a pivot.

[Oliver Hudson]

And then when was that moment where you said, oh, wow, this is what I'm doing and I'm a professional now. I mean, was it when you sold your first thing and did you pitch something or.

[Anna Goldwyn]

I mean, I feel like the point when I thought, oh, I'm doing it was like my second year of film school, because I felt like, this is what I'm going to do. You know, I think the first year was like, can I do this? Is. Am I going to enjoy it? And then the second year, this was in grad school. I. I was like, oh, now, okay, now I'm doing this like, this is actually going to be my career. And then I got staffed on a show not long after leaving film school. And that very quickly became like, okay, yeah, this is what I'm doing. But then there was like, after, you know, some success, there was moments of doubt, as there always are, of course. And, But I think that, like, one thing that I think is similar between pursuing a career in the arts and being an athlete is just like persistence.

[Oliver Hudson]

Yeah.

[Anna Goldwyn]

And I'm very grateful to have built that.

[Oliver Hudson]

No, I know. I mean, especially, especially, you know, the landscape right now of our business. It's just so gnarly. I mean, I, I, I haven't not been on a series I can't even remember and it's been two plus years.

[Tony Goldwyn]

Years now.

[Anna Goldwyn]

Yeah.

[Oliver Hudson]

You know, I mean, it's like, it's just crazy and just hustling up gigs here and there, just staying busy. You know, I have a production company, I have a, a deal at Fox. And so I'm just trying to do everything that I can and stay engaged and stay creative, you know, because that's all we can do.

[Anna Goldwyn]

Yeah.

[Oliver Hudson]

You know, and Tony, I would even imagine for you, it's like it doesn't change, you know, I mean, Tom Cruise is still trying to stay Tom Cruise, and the kid from Iowa is just trying to get an agent. I mean, there's not dissimilar sort of feelings. This idea, this thought, am I ever going to work again?

[Tony Goldwyn]

You know, that is so true. And what I, what I've learned, you know, like whatever wisdom I've, you know, sort of gathered over the decades of doing this is you said something really profound. Is that there? And I say this to my kids. It's like, there is no difference. I wish I had, you can't know until, you know, but if I own, there's no difference from the, the struggle that you have when you're trying to get your first gigs or midway through or when things get the dry spells. That's just the rhythm of the life. And, you know, you're always trying to put together the next thing. And look, you know, it's tough when there's, when you're going through phases where there's a lot of financial pressure.

[Oliver Hudson]

Right.

[Tony Goldwyn]

That's really hard.

[Oliver Hudson]

Yes.

[Tony Goldwyn]

But you've got to figure it out and push through and figure it out. When you, you know, if you, in those times or if you get to a point where you've been able to, like, keep that wolf a little bit away from the door, then the real hardship, I think, comes when you do not have a creative outlet. So. So, you know, we think, oh, we got to get the. We got. You know, if I could just get in that club. If I could just get that. If I could just get. If I just get there, then I'll be there. There is no there. I know there's. There is no there. You're there and you're like, okay, I'm here, but I gotta get. If you're in that way of thinking about it.

[Oliver Hudson]

Yeah.

[Tony Goldwyn]

And. And the more as you evolve and mature, you're like, oh, no, I'm always there. I'm always in my process with varying results. Some are remunerative. Remunerative. Some I would happily do for free. Some turn out to be shitty. Some turn out to be magical. You know, there's. Things are uncomfortable and painful, but it's all part of the same stew. And it's literally no different then when I was, you know, 25 years older, we were going, am I ever going to be able to do this thing? I'm doing this play or whatever the hell I was doing? Do you know what I mean? So that's. That to me, is the. Is the result. Like, it's. Oh, it's all the same. You got to take care of business, make sure your rent is paid and all of that.

[Oliver Hudson]

Yeah, yeah.

[Tony Goldwyn]

My. The final thing I would say is you kind of touched on it is if you can stay creative and commune, be in community with creative people that you vibe with. You're like 90% of them within your. Then you're alive, then you're connected, then you're gonna. You're fine.

[Anna Goldwyn]

Yeah.

[Tony Goldwyn]

Like, then you're like, okay, I know. I used to be. I used to. I'm sure you have this feeling too, you know, like in those long periods of unemployment, trying to start out as an actor and just getting doors shut in your face all the time. Then you go to class or. I had, like, a bunch of friends of mine, we formed a workshop that we did when I was. We were all struggling and. And you just go and do like, one piece of work or connect with somebody on a creative level. And you go, God, I was so depressed. All like. And now all of a sudden, it's like getting a drug.

[Oliver Hudson]

Yes.

[Tony Goldwyn]

Why do I feel good now? Why am I fine? Why am I like, I can handle these problems. It's not the end of the world. Whereas before I came to the class today, I was like, oh, my God, I just.

[Oliver Hudson]

So true. Oh, God, it's so true. I mean, that's. That's what sort of this, you know, producing side, which has been a few years, it's been longer than that, but has done for me because it's not lucrative. It doesn't make them a lot of money until you get something on the air. You know what I mean? Deals are in place and. And it's all gravy, you know, Only when you get something on the air. It doesn't matter, though, right now, because the creative outlet for me and just coming up with stories, working with writers, reading drafts of scripts and getting that buzz from sort of just, you know, that collaboration of creation and coming up with ideas. You're right. It's like a drug that way, you know?

[Commercial Narrator]

Yeah.

[Tony Goldwyn]

It's everything.

[Anna Goldwyn]

I felt I had that exact experience, like, 2022 and 2023 were just so tough for me. And the strikes obviously didn't make that easier. And. And. And I was like, really? I was in the mindset that my dad was kind of describing of, like, well, no one's. You know, I worked on things forever that then no one bought or they fell apart. And it was just like that after that, after that. And then the strike happened, and it was like, okay, well, no one's doing anything now, I guess. And how can I try to, like, reset myself? You know, there's no. There's no one to compare myself to right now because everyone's stopped.

[Oliver Hudson]

Right.

[Anna Goldwyn]

And in that process, I made a short film, and it was like a small thing. My sister was in it, like, my. You know, it was like a family effort, like, my friend's health. My husband edited it, whatever. And it was so fun. And it was that exact thing you were describing, dad, of like, oh, I can. I'm totally fine now. Like, nothing had really changed. Yeah, but. But it was like the reminder of. It's all about being able to be creative. And then, like. And then I got over the anxiety of, like, oh, my God, like, I haven't made a certain amount of money in the last couple years. What. You know, what am I gonna do? And then, like, I had. The strike ended, and I was like, well, I guess I'll, like, tutor to make some money. And the shame about that went away. Whereas before, I would have felt so like, oh, my God, I'm failing. But I wasn't, because I suddenly was, like, doing stuff. Even though sometimes, as you pointed out, Oliver, the doing stuff doesn't make you money in the early stages.

[Tony Goldwyn]

So.

[Oliver Hudson]

Yeah, I'm a golfer. I golf.

[Commercial Narrator]

It's what I do.

[Oliver Hudson]

And Arizona has Incredible golfing, especially Scottsdale. And the fall is the best time to go golf in Scottsdale and Arizona. You know what, if you're looking for a serene escape, fewer crowds then that time of year. And the weather is amazing so the city is always bustling during the major event season like spring training or the WM Phoenix Open, which I've been to.

[Anna Goldwyn]

Sometimes you want a more relaxed getaway and in fall Scottsdale can be all about you. It's perfect for hiking, yoga, guided meditations.

[Commercial Narrator]

Horseback riding, and did you know Scottsdale.

[Oliver Hudson]

Is home to more than 200 area golf courses? Mm yeah. Told you. This is why I'm going. Go play golf. World class golf.

[Anna Goldwyn]

There's also Scottsdale's Old Town District. All walkable with world class shops and restaurants. You won't be bored.

[Oliver Hudson]

There's still tons to do there in the fall. Dreamy Draw Music Festival is always a good vibe. Canal Convergence is a cool annual art event at the Scottsdale waterfront and it gets decked out for the holidays, including Scott's Dazzle when Old Town gets all festive and all lit. So you gotta go visit unwindinscotsdale.com today.

[Commercial Narrator]

October is one of my favorite times to travel with my family. You know, it's not too hot, it's not too cold and the crowds are lighter. So this year we've been talking about heading to Switzerland because I know the kids would love hiking in the Alps, riding those mountain trains, and of course trying every kind of chocolate they can find. When we do trips like this, I love need to stay in an Airbnb, you get that local vibe. It feels like you actually live there for a little while, which makes the memories that much richer. So if you're traveling this fall, it's also a perfect time to think about hosting your own home on Airbnb. And the best part? You don't have to do it all by yourself. With Airbnb's co host network, you can hire a local co host to manage everything from your listing, guest communications, and even making sure the place looks amazing. Find a co [e-mail] host Tired of.

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[Oliver Hudson]

I love what you said, you know, about going back to sort of your roots in a way. And it's like a, it's like a family. It's like the original family band sort of gets together and.

[Anna Goldwyn]

Yeah.

[Oliver Hudson]

Short movie. And I always say this to my friends and even my sister and my family because it's being creative without judgment. Because right now we, it's such a business, you know, it's like, how do we fit this into the lane that they want? Or I'm trying to, you know, rather than when we were kids, I would make movies every weekend. I didn't even want to be an actor. I wanted to direct and write and produce and like, that's what I did. My sister was acting and I was, I had cameras and filters and lenses and, you know, and I always, I want to get back to that way of making movies again where it's that freedom of like, let's just play and have fun and put absolutely no pressure on it.

[Anna Goldwyn]

Yeah. You know, believe in them. People were like, I mean, my manager was like, okay, so then what's the feature of the short? And I was like, I don't know. Like, that's not. That wasn't where my head was at at the time. And I think it was good.

[Oliver Hudson]

Yeah.

[Tony Goldwyn]

And also it. There's the ability to do it now technically, you know, you could do so much which, like, when I was 30, you couldn't even do that. Like it was. Cost of making a short film was. But like, just to tell you a little bit of Anna's film is such a good example of how to do that. I mean, she had. In addition to the career patch that she was going through after with the strikes and all that, she had a terrible skiing accident and like could have died, but really up her shoulder. Broke her shoulder and her arm and had made.

[Oliver Hudson]

Where were you skiing?

[Anna Goldwyn]

At Alta in Utah.

[Oliver Hudson]

Yeah, I ski Snowbird. I've never seen Alta. I ski Snowbird, but yeah, you don't.

[Anna Goldwyn]

Need to go to Alta.

[Oliver Hudson]

I don't think I want to anymore.

[Tony Goldwyn]

Let her fall at Alta. And, and. And when she broke her shoulder and had this big surgery, she and her husband actually at that time were kind of were broken up before they were married and they were. They were in a pause and. And she had. And I was like, okay, I'm going to move into your house and take care of you, because she needed someone. So I lived and she had a little house and I lived on her couch for two weeks or something. And. And we had this. I took care of her, took care.

[Anna Goldwyn]

To the bathed me, like put.

[Tony Goldwyn]

Moved me around. It was ever like since she was a baby or a little girl. I hadn't. We've been close, but it was like literally had to do everything for her and she was in this terrible pain. And so we just hung and you know, luckily, you know, I wasn't working and just come in and lived on her couch. So that was a. You know, we got. She got through that and then moved on. But she decided to make. She. She wrote this script about a father and a daughter going through this exact thing. So she'd made it. You were under playing a little bit because she made it and she. She was going to. Made it as a. She was going to make it as a birthday present for me. And then on my birthday the next year, like she did a screening for me of the finished film. And of course I wept. But it was like, of course the whole. Everything that Dr. Was like good. Like it was driven by this, this intense experience. Anna had had this desire to explore this idea to make her first. You know, she'd written a lot, but to make her first film as a director, as a filmmaker, and it was connected, I don't know, you know, and then ended up being this very beautiful thing that's gotten this great response. So it's like, if you can. Those are all indicators of, like, oh, am I. Do I have the right, like, vibes going on with how I'm approaching this thing I'm doing separate from the business, you know, because I find it even in the business, I'm not feeling that on some level.

[Oliver Hudson]

Yeah.

[Tony Goldwyn]

To be. It doesn't have to be high art, you know, but if I'm not at least in my own existence, feeling that connection with the people I'm working with, my approach to the material I'm doing whatever it is, you know, then I'm. I need to kind of reboot myself.

[Oliver Hudson]

Yeah.

[Tony Goldwyn]

You know what I mean?

[Oliver Hudson]

Yeah.

[Tony Goldwyn]

And when you're in that mindset, it also attracts others who vibe that way, too, I have found.

[Oliver Hudson]

Oh, for sure. Well, that's why it's a creative community is always so fun.

[Tony Goldwyn]

Yeah.

[Oliver Hudson]

You know, everyone's a little crazy and fun. But, Tony, going back to you and growing up, first of all, how many siblings did you have?

[Tony Goldwyn]

There were six of us. Yeah. There's four by my mom and dad, and then they got divorced.

[Oliver Hudson]

Yeah.

[Tony Goldwyn]

And then Peter and our sister Liz is. Or the. Or a half. Half brother.

[Oliver Hudson]

Okay. So what was growing up like for you in the world of sort of Hollywood, essentially, or. Or even outside of that?

[Tony Goldwyn]

Yeah, I mean, I'm wondering. I would compare with your situation again. My parents weren't actors, but my mom had been early before I was born, but she was a painter, really. My dad, having grown up in the way that he grew up, you know, where his house. As a kid, you know, his parents adored him, but he was an only child, and their house was a place of business. You know, every night, dinner parties and, you know, movie stars. It was all a place of my grandpa's business, and he did not want that for his kids. So him and. Him and my mother had grown up. The other side of my family is also in show business. My mother's father was a very successful playwright and screenwriter, and her mother was an actress. And they were more in New York and the kind of literati side of New York, you know, the kind of New York intellectuals. And so both of them had had kind of successful showbiz families in different worlds and didn't want their kids to be exposed to that. So they kept us completely away from. I never met a movie star until I was like 16 years old. I never went to a set. My father could have been a lawyer or something and I wouldn't have. I knew he was a producer.

[Oliver Hudson]

Yeah.

[Tony Goldwyn]

And I knew the actors that I met were like their close friends who were workaday actors, you know, or theater actors. There's none. No one was famous, so. And they kind of turned us on to a lot of. Would take us to the theater all the time and stuff like that, but it was not show business. Was like. I think he was also protective, but also didn't want. He had this thing about, like, us. He was afraid would be like spoiled Hollywood kids and feel entitled that, you know, because we had a famous last name. So that was. He was very, very crazy about money and, you know, things that he didn't want us to be spoiled, really, though. And for the most part, I was really grateful because I discovered it later, you know, and. And I started to do that with Anna and Tess. And I'm. You know, as Anna said, they didn't get exposed. We moved to Connecticut to not have. Because that was the approach that I had. But I. I did a project once in with a Mary Steenbergen, and Mary had said to me, you're making a big mistake keeping your kids away because, like, we have our kids come with us, and it's like a circus and it's so fun and they love it. And it's like you're. Why would you keep them away from a part of your life that you loves them? Brings you so much joy. Oh, wow. You know, by that time, Anna was. I don't know, you were probably 12 years old. But. But it was a. It was a good point, you know. So, yeah, there's no right or wrong, but that's kind of how. How we were raised.

[Oliver Hudson]

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So you just. You just sort of understood eventually what your parents did, but then kind of found it on your own.

[Tony Goldwyn]

Yeah, I mean, that.

[Oliver Hudson]

That.

[Tony Goldwyn]

I mean, I did know I was. I very much knew what my dad did. And he talked about his work. It wasn't like he hid what he did.

[Oliver Hudson]

Got it.

[Tony Goldwyn]

And it didn't go to the incident. I go to his office, but he was a producer, so he is at an office, you know.

[Oliver Hudson]

Yeah.

[Tony Goldwyn]

Yeah. But it was the kind of like the Hollywood, like, the glamour of it. The glamour of it.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Like.

[Tony Goldwyn]

And some people do bring their kids and stuff, going to premieres and events and the. The fancy birthday parties and all that kind of Stuff. That was the stuff. He was just like, no, yeah, yeah, yeah. You know, and knowing all their friends and whose parents are doing what with. So, so, yeah, we grew up in LA and a lot of people were in show business, but he. They were very, like, careful about it.

[Oliver Hudson]

Yeah, yeah, I know. I, I. Thinking back on it, my. My parents weren't. We were premieres, and there's pictures of us as kids and premieres and. And we were on set all the time.

[Tony Goldwyn]

Did you love that?

[Oliver Hudson]

Yeah, I loved it. I loved it. I loved being around it. That's why even today, when I drive down the street and I see a production of Some Kind with the lights and the thing, I'm like, oh. Like, what's going on? You know, I mean, I get that feeling, you know, because that was such a place for me to play as well. You know, I made skateboards and skim boards and the Carpenters. With the Carpenters. And, I mean, I was just immersed in it. But my parents definitely, you know, made a point to at least instill in us or try to instill in us, which I think they did a pretty good job. Like, this isn't real life. You know what I mean? Like, this is fun and it may be something to strive for if you love it, if you don't love it, get. Get away from it. But this isn't real life. So within our four walls of the house, it was very normal. You know, everyone's. I get the question, what's it like growing up with Goldie Hawn and Kurt Russell? I'm like, I can understand the question, but it's a boring answer. Right. You know what I mean? It was normal. I don't know what else to tell you. It was. It was pretty. It was great. They were great parents and, you know, felt pretty normal. Normal, you know? Yeah. So we were around it, but. But I also did not, like, when fans, When I was a kid, when fans and. And would come up to my mom and we were, like, having dinner or something like that, I felt like she was being taken away from me somehow. And this was when I was a little boy. But I still remember the feeling. And there's residual feelings, Even at almost 50 years old sometimes where I'm like, oh, wow, I cannot believe that little.

[Commercial Narrator]

That little.

[Oliver Hudson]

That little feeling still is there, even.

[Anna Goldwyn]

Though a protective feeling.

[Oliver Hudson]

Did you ever feel that with your dad of just like, you know, I mean, I'm not.

[Tony Goldwyn]

Your mom is one of the biggest.

[Oliver Hudson]

Right, right.

[Tony Goldwyn]

Yeah, but it did. There were periods where it was like, When I was on a hit TV.

[Oliver Hudson]

Show, Scandal was huge.

[Anna Goldwyn]

That's the comparison I was going to make is like, I feel like because your mom is who she is and is like this iconic woman, I think they're. That protective nature feels really understandable there. When my dad was on Scandal, I was older, so it wasn't as like, it didn't feel as like formative for me. But when that was happening and then suddenly there's like all these middle aged women who are like, your dad is hot. And I was like, this is too far. And that became odd, dad. Yeah, that became odd. And that's maybe the comparison I would make, I'm sure of, like what you were feeling as a kid about your mom, because your mom's a beautiful, beautiful woman and people.

[Oliver Hudson]

I got that too. Your mom's hot. Yeah, dude.

[Anna Goldwyn]

And that's when I'm like, that's where I feel people don't sometimes respect boundaries when they're like fawning over celebrities. But then at the same time, I remember, dad, you have said in the past, like, what other job in the world is there where random people will just come up to you and tell much, tell you how much they love what you do? Like, there's no other job really than being an actor, a musician or.

[Tony Goldwyn]

Yeah, there are moments when it's oppressive, you know, when you get in and. Yeah, but every time I start to get cranky about it.

[Oliver Hudson]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, come on.

[Tony Goldwyn]

A neighbor of ours in, in Connecticut when, when I was growing up, I was probably bitching about it or something, and he's like, he was in finance. He's like, tony, let me just tell you, I don't walk down the street, never come up. Someone come up to me and go, richard, that spreadsheet you did, amazing. Good point. Yes.

[Oliver Hudson]

Yeah.

[Anna Goldwyn]

So it's all perspective.

[Oliver Hudson]

That is funny. So, yeah, I'm a golfer. I golf. It's what I do. And Arizona has incredible golfing, especially Scottsdale. And the fall is the best time to go golf in Scottsdale and Arizona. You know what, if you're looking for a serene escape, fewer crowds than that time of year and the weather is amazing. So the city is always bustling during the major event season, like spring training or the WM Phoenix Open, which I've been to.

[Anna Goldwyn]

Sometimes you want a more relaxed getaway. And in fall, Scottsdale can be all about you. It's perfect for hiking, yoga, guided meditations, horseback riding.

[Oliver Hudson]

And did you know Scottsdale is home to more than 200 area golf courses? Yeah, told you this is why I'm going. Go play golf. World class golf.

[Anna Goldwyn]

There's also Scottsdale's Old Town district, all walkable with world class shops and restaurants. You won't be bored.

[Oliver Hudson]

There's still tons to do there in the fall. Dreamy Draw Music Festival is always a good vibe. Canal Convergence is a cool annual art event at the Scottsdale waterfront and it gets decked out for the holidays, including Scott Dazzle when Old Town gets all festive and all lit. So you gotta go visit unwindinscotsdale.com today.

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[Oliver Hudson]

How is it working together? You know, on. On the podcast? First of all, how long have you. How long has it been going on?

[Anna Goldwyn]

It's new.

[Tony Goldwyn]

We've.

[Anna Goldwyn]

We've released. It's brand new, four episodes.

[Oliver Hudson]

Okay, great.

[Tony Goldwyn]

But we've worked on for about a year.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Okay.

[Anna Goldwyn]

Yeah.

[Oliver Hudson]

How has it been working together? Because.

[Anna Goldwyn]

Very natural.

[Oliver Hudson]

It's got to be awesome. I mean, my daughter's my young one and she's 12, and there's this, you know, I've my two boys and my girl, and. And you always hear, oh, wait, the daughter's wrapping your finger. All that. I'm like, okay, whatever. Like, you hear that all the time.

[Commercial Narrator]

Time.

[Oliver Hudson]

But it's. It turns out to be true. I'm just so in love with her. And like, you know, if I could have a podcast with her when she's in her 20s or whatever, and I'm just like, oh, my gosh. I mean, for Tony, that must be so awesome. First of all, just to be working with your daughter.

[Tony Goldwyn]

It is. It is amazing.

[Oliver Hudson]

How much fun is that?

[Tony Goldwyn]

It's like the thing we were talking about, about the joy of being able to share your work life. And it's a dialogue that Anna and I have always kind of had. So this felt like a very. Just organic extension. And we've. It's weird. Like, we share each other's work. Anna, when, when, when I, it's offered me, Anna will send me something to, to read or give my perspective. We just talk freely. Or if I'm doing something, I'll send her to get her opinion about what I'm doing. You know, a cut of a movie I'm directing or something like that, or a script that I'm to Going, working on. Get her. We sort of always have this dialogue. So this is. Working together is just a natural thing. But it is. It's really fun and beautiful and Test, too. You know, like, when Tess was in. In grad school and theater school during COVID and she was like, we should make a short movie together, because I'm not. We're not doing anything, you know, and we had. And it's like, okay. And then she wrote one, and I was like, oh, wrote. This is pretty good. And, yeah, we're good. Let's make it. And during COVID we just made a short film together, and she'd never directed a film. I said, well, you should direct it. She said, well, so I pulled together a crew together, and we made this little movie that she wrote. And. And she got completely turned on by filmmaking. And then so with both of them, and it was so fun to work together. You know, we do. So we've, like, we've. It's weird. And I feel like we. I feel like we always do it, but we.

[Anna Goldwyn]

Yeah, it feels like we've always been working together. I think the difference with this is, like, we have. Well, there's a. Like, an organizational difference of, like, oh, we have to, like, have a schedule and, you know, talk to. You know, there's that side of it that is actually fun and kind of new for us in terms of, like, the logistics side of it. But I also think that what has been the most cool about it is talking to other people. I mean, you guys obviously feel this, doing your show for a long time, like, specifically talking to other parents and children and seeing that there are so many universalities in that relationship, but then at the same time, how different everyone's relationship are. Because I think that when you're living in your own relationship with your parent, it's really the only experience that you have, except for maybe watching your significant other with their parents, you know, like, you're not that intimately in someone else's dynamic. And so talking to people, not just in entertainment, but, like, in sports and politics and all this stuff. Like, just sort of comparing notes a little bit of like, oh, what is it like for us to work together on this? But then also, what is it like for them to. Like, we interviewed. Probably my favorite interview because it is sort of in my wheelhouse. We interviewed the Texas University. University of Texas women's basketball coach Vic Schaefer, who's, like, this legendary basketball coach and his daughter, who is his assistant coach. And to talk to them and be like, I mean, Their working dynamic is much more intense than us making a podcast together and. But just to see the similarities and the differences and, like, how they speak to each other and. And love each other and the dynamic in their family, like, I just think it's such a cool thing. And anyone who ever has the opportunity to work with someone in their family or that they're related to is just, like, such an awesome gift and experience.

[Oliver Hudson]

Well, I think I love the concept of your show. It reminds me kind of of our show in. In a sense.

[Anna Goldwyn]

Yeah.

[Oliver Hudson]

You know, your show was kind of.

[Tony Goldwyn]

An inspiration for us. It really was. We listened to, you know.

[Oliver Hudson]

Yeah. Well, the sibling dynamic is so interesting. And, you know, it's. You could be two and a half years apart, but have a completely different experience of your father or your mother. You know, like, I'm sure your sister has a different perspective on your parents than you do, even though they raised you pretty much the same. And it's just watching it all sort of go down, hearing all the different stories, you know, is pretty inspiring. And it's actually brought my sister and I closer together, interestingly enough. You know, I mean, because you're sort of intimately talking about each other as well. And strangely, when I have the microphone in front of my face, I feel more comfortable and vulnerable telling my sister things about her or the way I feel about her.

[Anna Goldwyn]

It's kind of like a mandate. You're like, oh, I guess I have to say stuff because I'm being recorded.

[Tony Goldwyn]

I think Anna and I are both, like, mutually respectful of the business side of it. That that needs to be handled, and we need to proceed in this venture in a professional way. You know what I mean? Like, on an emotional level, you know, it's like parent and child and our friendship and whatever our relationship, we take care of that so that. That doesn't get, you know, protective of that too. So we would never want anything. I'm speaking for you, Anna, but I assume you feel the same way. We wouldn't want anything to go sideways to something where this became a negative thing in a relationship. Like, that would be. Make the whole thing pointless, of course.

[Commercial Narrator]

Right.

[Oliver Hudson]

Episode 10, you're like, you know what? I don't even like you.

[Anna Goldwyn]

It turns into, like, a reality show.

[Tony Goldwyn]

Might be. Really. We may make a lot of money if we have that one.

[Oliver Hudson]

Exactly. But in a pot, but. But in a positive sense. Has it. Has it done anything for your relationship, you know?

[Anna Goldwyn]

Yeah. I mean, I think for me, like, what has been the most different is. Is that, like, professional side of it. Like, I think that we've talked so much in my, you know, entire adulthood about work and how, you know, the victories and the difficulties and all of that stuff, but we've never had to, like, be on email chains together and, like, you know, have quite talk discussions about how we're gonna, you know, what we want to focus on when we're interviewing these people. And so I think that has been just a cool thing to go through because it's like being more entrepreneurial together, I guess. Whereas, like, our relationship has always been very filled with creativity, as it has with my sister and my mom and all of that, but there's never been, like, a venture, you know, together. And so I imagine it's like, you know, whenever anyone goes into business with someone in their family, as I'm sure happened with you and Kate, it's like, oh, well, okay, you know, we have to have a phone call about this thing we're gonna do, and that has never been a part of our relationship. And so that's been cool. And we're very diff. Like, we're very different people. So just seeing, like, how do each of our personalities kind of operate in that side of things has been. Has been cool. And, you know, sometimes I'm like, all right, dad, we can stop talking about this now. My dad loves to talk and talk and talk and talk about things, and I'm sort of like, we did it.

[Oliver Hudson]

That's funny. Yeah, well, that's. But that's the. That people love to see or hear, you know, that. That just truly authentic father, daughter relationship, you know, I mean, the feedback that Katie and I have gotten, of course, it's guests and the topics that we talk about and getting into all the details that. And the fun stuff. But a lot of it has been we just love hearing both of you be brother and sister, you know, because there's nothing more relatable. Everyone has. Well, most people have a sibling, but everyone has a father. Everyone, you know, so, you know, hearing that is just. So that's what people want to listen to, you know, like, all right, hey, dad. Dad, like, it's time to, like, zip it. It's. The story is going way over time.

[Anna Goldwyn]

That's every day, pretty much.

[Oliver Hudson]

Well, this has been so fun. I, I thank you guys for coming on.

[Tony Goldwyn]

So fun. Like I said, we really love your podcast, so we were excited to.

[Oliver Hudson]

Oh, well, thank you. We want to get.

[Tony Goldwyn]

You got. Really? We were gonna bug you coming on.

[Anna Goldwyn]

We do need to have, like, a multi generational 100 100.

[Oliver Hudson]

And, by the way, you know, just going back to sort of working with, you know, your daughter. I, I, my. I did a movie for Netflix in January, and it's coming out in November. But I, My. There was a part for my son. He wants to be an actor, and it was this age group, and his name is Wilder, but it was a big part. He worked more days than I, I did. Right.

[Commercial Narrator]

And.

[Oliver Hudson]

And I said, look, just. He finished an acting class outside of school. More of an adult class. I said, just audition for this. To have an experience of what? I said, you're not going to get it. Just audition for it. He read for it. Went well. Read for it again. Went, Went well. Netflix came in five auditions later. Netflix was worried about it because they were like, he's never done a thing in his life, but he can. They were convinced. And he. I worked with him for. Living in Toronto for 25.

[Anna Goldwyn]

So cool.

[Oliver Hudson]

Six weeks. And it was so great.

[Tony Goldwyn]

Oh, that's amazing.

[Oliver Hudson]

Oh, my God. I mean, first of all, I had this. I had this idea because, you know, he's 18 now, but, you know, he's a teenager, so he's like, what's up, dad? All that stuff. And I, I get it, I get it. But I had this vision of, like, this montage with music. We go into our new house and we're sitting down. We're eating dinner together and watching movies, and it's like we're, like, in love again. And we get there the first day, I'm like, all right, like, you want to, like, get some dinner or something? He's like, no. Just walks up to his room and closes the door. I was like, oh, man. But there was a moment when he had one of these bigger monologues, and I had to be watching it in the scene. And I. We cut, I just lost it. Just crying because I couldn't believe what I was seeing, that he was in my world and doing it, and it was so abrupt. It happened kind of like this, and it was just this overwhelming pride. And I've never felt pride like that. And, and, and I. And Tony, you could probably understand that, but the pride that you have for your children, there's nothing that matches. Nothing even comes close. That feeling.

[Tony Goldwyn]

Oh, that's amazing.

[Anna Goldwyn]

That's amazing.

[Tony Goldwyn]

Did he love doing it?

[Oliver Hudson]

Oh, my God, he loved it so much. It was. It was. He's like, this is it. This is what I want to do. You know, he was not in drama at school, but then he joined a conservatory. You know, now he's Doing drama at school, you know, so he's.

[Anna Goldwyn]

That's so cool. And that. I mean, that just speaks to, like, the obvious privilege of having your parent know what you're doing is, like, he then got to experience your pride for him in a way. Like, every parent is proud of their kid. But I think that there's something really special that I have felt in the past where you. You know what it's like. And then you get to watch him do that. And so for him, on the receiving end of that, as I'm sure you felt when your parents watched you. And down the line, like, there's. It's like this. It's like an emotional inheritance, right? Of, like, now. Now I am giving that piece of my creative self to my kid, and they're also exploring it and, like, flourishing from it. And I think that that is. That's, like, what's really special. And that isn't nepotism. It's just, like, the beauty of, like, your creative spirit, kind of.

[Oliver Hudson]

I love that. Would you call it emotional?

[Anna Goldwyn]

I don't know. What did I call it?

[Oliver Hudson]

I was good. I wanted to save that. Oh, gosh.

[Tony Goldwyn]

It's okay. You recorded it. We're good.

[Anna Goldwyn]

Your emotional inheritance.

[Oliver Hudson]

Emotional inheritance. That was it. Emotional inheritance. I like that. I'm going to use that.

[Anna Goldwyn]

Perfect.

[Oliver Hudson]

Well, thank you, guys. And, yeah, for real, like, reach out. I would love to. I'm sure you would love to. You know, we'll figure that out, but 100%.

[Tony Goldwyn]

It's okay. We missed her. Tell her.

[Oliver Hudson]

Yeah, I know. I will. Thank you guys. Yeah. All right. This was awesome. I appreciate you guys. All right, thanks so much. All right. Oh, man, I forgot to ask Goldwyn.

[Commercial Narrator]

About the movie he's in.

[Oliver Hudson]

PTA's new movie, I think, and I wanted to talk to him about it just for a second, because PTA is the greatest director of all time. Anyway, that was. That's great. It was great. It reminded me a lot of sibling revelry, that. That sort of, you know, vibe. And, I don't know, it's always nice. It's cool. It makes me excited in a strange way to work with my daughter. At some point, she'll probably kill me. All right, I'm out.

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[Oliver Hudson]

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