Song Sung Hugh!

Summary

Sibling Revelry with Kate Hudson & Oliver Hudson

Episode: Song Sung Hugh!
Date: December 22, 2025
Guest: Hugh Jackman
Podcast by: iHeartPodcasts

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Episode Overview

In this lively episode of Sibling Revelry, Kate and Oliver Hudson are joined by Hugh Jackman for an open, candid, and often hilarious conversation that touches on the joys and complexities of sibling bonds, growing up in big families, handling creative ambitions, and their collaboration on the new movie Song Sung Bloom. The trio dives deep into family dynamics, vulnerability in performance, and the nature of trust, all peppered with revealing anecdotes and playful banter.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Sibling Gifts and Family Holidays

• Discussion starts at [04:06]
  • Kate and Oliver banter about late Christmas shopping, with Oliver joking about asking for boat equipment as gifts.
  • "What's a transducer?" Kate teases Oliver about boat gear, cracking, "Sounds like a sex toy." ([05:02], Kate)
  • Conversation lightens as they poke fun at each other’s wish lists and family traditions.

2. Kate’s Awards Season Whirlwind & The Changing Movie Landscape

• [06:30]
  • Oliver congratulates Kate on her Golden Globe nomination.
  • Both reflect on the unpredictability of movie releases today and reminisce about the emotional range of classic films.
  • Kate: "This is one of those movies that you're like, oh, come on. I really want it to have great success... it gives you that feeling, like extraordinary circumstances, real life. But you are entertained, and then you go through the gamut of things." ([07:23], Kate)

3. The ‘Scent’ of Co-Stars: Hugh, Justin Theroux, Ike Barinholtz

• [10:01] and continued
  • Oliver asks what Hugh Jackman "smells like."
  • Kate describes Hugh as "fresh cut grass" ([10:24], Kate), to which Hugh responds, "Wow. I love that smell... I thought you meant like grass." ([14:45], Hugh)
  • Playful breakdowns about co-stars’ “scents,” including Justin Theroux ("Palo Santo with a citrus high note" – Kate, [12:23]) and Ike Barinholtz ("brisket with some caramelized onions" – Kate, [15:28]).
  • Group laughs about how everyone has a particular aura or essence.

4. Hugh Jackman’s Family: Sibling Dynamics & Childhood

• [15:36] and [16:00]
  • Hugh shares he was the youngest of five, later six, and disliked being the baby, feeling left out and envious of older siblings’ privileges.
  • "Everyone else was allowed to do stuff that I wasn't allowed to do... my whole life, everyone's getting more than me or staying up later than me." ([16:30], Hugh)
  • Talks about strict upbringing, milestones, and the significant age gap with siblings.

Notable sibling story:

• Hugh recalls the pride and nervousness of finally beating his brother Ralph in a table tennis competition:
  "I could win an Oscar. It would be behind that beer can." ([18:49], Hugh)

5. Family Changes & Support after Divorce

• [24:46]
  • Hugh opens up about his parents’ divorce and living with godparents when his mother became unwell.
  • Describes being raised from age 8 largely by his dad and siblings.
  • Speaks about his relationship with each sibling and how family roles shifted over time.

6. Gender Roles & Masculinity in Australia

• [26:48]
  • Hugh discusses 'old school' Australian masculinity and the pressures for men to avoid seeking help.
  • "You don't ask for help, just get on with it, mate... there's still a little bit of that... but it’s changed, thankfully, a lot." ([27:23], Hugh)
  • References close friend's work with Gotcha for Life, a foundation addressing mental health.

7. Creativity in the Family

• [27:31]
  • Hugh traces roots of creativity in his family—his great-aunt, his mother, and several siblings had creative pursuits.
  • His dad, though strict and an accountant, valued the arts and encouraged theatrical experiences.
  • "He was the most creative accountant." ([28:42], Hugh)
  • Candid about his father’s concern that Hugh was "too thin-skinned" for acting ([31:14], Hugh).

8. Handling Criticism & Watching Yourself

• [31:44] and [32:47]
  • Hugh: Doesn’t read reviews or comments; doesn’t love watching himself but is trying to get better at it.
    • "I'm often, like, pleasantly surprised... that actually looked better than it felt..." ([32:09], Hugh)
  • Kate: Her own worst critic — "I think everything's awful.” ([32:47], Kate)
  • The two discuss using video monitors on set and the value of seeing the frame for choreography.

9. Vulnerability, Trust, and On-Screen Chemistry

• [63:25] – [66:22]
  • The trio dives deeply into what it takes to do emotional scenes well.
  • Kate: "A great acting partner elevates you... you feed off of each other... when it's working, you kind of lose yourself." ([63:47], Kate)
  • Hugh: "If I don't have it in the actor I'm working with, I'll find it on set... it's the courage to allow people to see parts of your own heart." ([64:59] and [66:22], Hugh)
  • They discuss building trust and the fine line between authenticity and performance.

10. Audition Stories: Nerves, Luck, and Self-Tapes

• [49:06] and [51:16]
  • Hugh recounts his pivotal X-Men audition: "I was pissed and didn’t give a [expletive]... perfect for Wolverine, right?" ([49:27], Hugh)
  • Kate shares an acting tip she heard from Jacob Elordi: treat auditions "like a crime scene and the blood's all over your body." ([51:23], Kate)
  • Discussion on the differences between classic in-person auditions and today's self-tapes and their impact on actors' nerves.

11. Sibling Gatherings & Aging

• [40:52]
  • Hugh shares plans for a rare sibling reunion: "It's happening in January. I'm so excited." ([41:54], Hugh)
  • Discussion about the comfort and chaos of big family reunions.

12. Health, Sleep, and Aging Bodies

• [45:18]
  • Lighthearted chat about waking up at night to pee, drinking water, and coping with “restless leg syndrome.”
  • Hugh on sleep changes: "I haven't drunk in 18 months. That's really helped my sleep a lot." ([45:55] and [46:03], Hugh)
  • Jokes about the joys of sitting down to pee and the convenience of modern toilets ([47:16]).

13. Song Sung Bloom: Casting and Collaboration

• [58:03]
  • Movie discussion: "Who had the gig first?" Hugh says Craig (director) came to him first.
  • Kate knew she wanted to do the film but worried about being away from her kids ([59:35], Kate).
  • Their previous acquaintance from a workshop for a Houdini musical is revealed.
  • Reflections on instant chemistry and working together as co-stars.

14. Performance Anxiety and Pushing Through

• [67:05]
  • Both Kate and Hugh affirm they still get nervous ahead of big scenes or new projects.
  • Hugh shares that "first two days of any film... I still get it," referencing John Travolta’s wisdom ([67:11], Hugh).
  • Kate: "I'm good at like, powering through my nerves... it's my fuel." ([68:17], Kate)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• "I'm sure there's been some funk in some points and there's... but even in those moments, you're always kind of... there's like a freshness." — Kate Hudson on Hugh Jackman’s scent ([15:03])
• "I could win an Oscar. It would be behind that beer can." — Hugh Jackman, recalling beating his brother at table tennis ([18:49])
• "If I don’t have it in the actor I’m working with, I’ll find it on set... it’s the courage to allow people to see parts of your own heart." — Hugh Jackman ([66:22])
• "A great acting partner elevates you... when it’s working, you kind of lose yourself." — Kate Hudson ([63:47])
• "I was pissed and didn’t give a [expletive]... perfect for Wolverine, right?" — Hugh Jackman on his X-Men audition approach ([49:27])
• "Don't let him catch you acting." — Kate, quoting Spencer Tracy ([66:22])
• "I'm often, like, pleasantly surprised... that actually looked better than it felt." — Hugh Jackman on watching his own performances ([32:09])

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• [04:06] — Holiday gift banter & sibling dynamics
• [06:30] — Kate’s Golden Globe nomination & the state of movies
• [10:01, 14:31] — “What does Hugh Jackman smell like?”
• [15:36] — Hugh on being the youngest of five/six siblings
• [18:49] — Humorous table tennis victory story
• [24:46] — Handling family secrets and advice after parents' divorce
• [27:31] — Masculinity and mental health in Australia
• [31:14] — Hugh as a “too thin-skinned” actor, per his dad
• [32:47] — Watching your own work, being your own worst critic
• [40:46] — Planning a big sibling reunion
• [45:18] — Sleep, water intake, and getting older
• [49:27] — Audition stories: Wolverine and more
• [58:03] — Song Sung Bloom: Casting and the collaborative process
• [63:25] — On-screen vulnerability and actor trust
• [67:11] — Dealing with nerves as a veteran actor

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Tone & Language

Throughout, Kate and Oliver balance thoughtful conversation with humor and sibling playfulness, while Hugh brings warmth and openness, unafraid to discuss childhood vulnerabilities, family, and failures with equal honesty. The conversation is peppered with jokes, bursts of laughter, and occasional gentle ribbing that feels authentic and deeply familial.

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Bottom Line

This episode stands out for the vivid, relatable way its hosts and guest discuss the realities of sibling life, the importance of trust for creative risk, navigating nerves even as seasoned professionals, and the essence of family—whether related by blood or found on set. Listeners are treated to both inside-Hollywood stories and genuinely moving reflections about what binds people together, on-screen and off.

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Transcript

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[Oliver Hudson]

Hi, I'm Kate Hudson and my name is Oliver Hudson.

[Kate Hudson]

We wanted to do something that highlighted.

[Oliver Hudson]

Our relationship and what it's like to be siblings. We are a sibling rivalry.

[Kate Hudson]

No, no, sibling R. For free. Don't do that with your mouth.

[Oliver Hudson]

Sibling revelry.

[Kate Hudson]

That's good. Ollie, have you done any Christmas shopping?

[Oliver Hudson]

A little bit.

[Kate Hudson]

Oh, I'm so behind.

[Oliver Hudson]

Well, you're a very, very busy person, so it's understandable. I sent you a text yesterday because you want to know what I want, and then I said, I'm going to send, but you're not going to like any of it.

[Kate Hudson]

I didn't even look at it.

[Oliver Hudson]

I didn't send it.

[Kate Hudson]

Oh, well, then send it to me.

[Oliver Hudson]

No, because I need a response before I send it.

[Kate Hudson]

Why won't I like it?

[Oliver Hudson]

Here's the thing. How's. Here's how it usually works with you on Christmas. It's like, what do you want? And then I text you some things and you're like, that's boring. I'm not doing that.

[Kate Hudson]

I'm like, okay, no, yeah, no, that's because I want a real. I want, like, yeah, five, six, hundred, like, deep water real.

[Oliver Hudson]

I want a transducer, you know?

[Kate Hudson]

So what's a transducer?

[Oliver Hudson]

Don't worry about it.

[Kate Hudson]

Sounds like a sex toy. I'm like, it sounds like it's something to help you. Like, take a.

[Hugh Jackman]

Do it.

[Kate Hudson]

A transducer.

[Oliver Hudson]

That's a good.

[Kate Hudson]

I don't like that. So.

[Oliver Hudson]

I know. I'm not putting it on.

[Kate Hudson]

I don't know what it is. I don't even care. I'm not getting it for you.

[Oliver Hudson]

I told you, this is why I don't send these things.

[Kate Hudson]

No, really, what is a transducer?

[Oliver Hudson]

A transducer is something that goes on the bottom of your boat. I already have one. It's what reads a sonar. It's what reads the bottom and it reads fish. It's still. There's still time.

[Kate Hudson]

Oh, really?

[Oliver Hudson]

And this transducer, specifically, there's different frequencies and this is the better one that I want to put on my boat. So it reads the bottom and it reads targets better. No, no, no. But there's another thing that's 10 grand that I'll put on there, too.

[Kate Hudson]

What is it?

[Oliver Hudson]

It's called the Seakeeper.

[Kate Hudson]

Oh, Oliver.

[Oliver Hudson]

And the sea keeper is what replaces the trim tabs on your boat and it stabilizes the boat so it doesn't bounce.

[Kate Hudson]

That sounds like something for your safety. That sounds good.

[Oliver Hudson]

Oh, it for sure is. Yeah. I mean, it's.

[Kate Hudson]

I like that one.

[Oliver Hudson]

It's definitely for safety.

[Kate Hudson]

A sea keeper. I also like that. Like, if I got you a sea keeper, it's like, I am your seat keeper.

[Oliver Hudson]

I guess so.

[Kate Hudson]

Ollie, is this too early for you?

[Oliver Hudson]

I know.

[Kate Hudson]

We're waiting on Hugh Jack Mall.

[Oliver Hudson]

Well, while we wait, we just need to talk about the whirlwind that you have been on. Ms. Golden Globe nominee. You know what I think they should do? You know, they have, like, the actors like this, the siblings.

[Kate Hudson]

That was such, like, hostility. Why don't you say you. Why don't you say. You should say is. Say it like you're excited.

[Oliver Hudson]

No, I. I. You know, I am excited for you. I was the first one to call you in the morning. I'm extremely excited. The only thing I'm concerned about is, like, who do you invite? Because you only have one table.

[Kate Hudson]

I don't have a table. I have one date.

[Oliver Hudson]

That's it.

[Kate Hudson]

Yeah.

[Oliver Hudson]

Oh, that sucks. Well, maybe I can go to the party afterwards.

[Kate Hudson]

They're definitely coming to the party. It'll be a fun night.

[Oliver Hudson]

Yes. Anyway, Whirlwind. You barely have a chance to breathe. Press. Playing the game, doing.

[Kate Hudson]

Oh, my God, it's been wild and, you know, it's been really interesting and important because this movie is so good, and I really want people to see it in the theater, you know, and our industry has been very hard to predict lately when it comes to theatrical releases. And this is one of those movies that you're like, oh, come on. I really want it to have great success. So people make movies like this, you know, it kind of has that, you know, touchstone. Like old touchstone movies. Things like Terms of Endearment or movies like Moonstruck. And it kind of gives you that feeling, like, extraordinary circumstances, real life. But you are, like, entertained, and then you go through the gamut of things.

[Oliver Hudson]

Yeah, 100. I. I agree. It's definitely a throwback. When I. When I saw it, that was the first thing that came into my mind, is that we don't. Hollywood doesn't make these Movies anymore, you know, I mean, and they need to be made because they feel good. Like you said, it's the gambit of emotion. It's fun, it's sexy, it's extremely well performed. There's singing, you know, and then for me there is tragedy, no doubt, but it's not heavy handed, you know what I mean? There's light within it, you know? You know that there's. The outcome is going to sort of make you smile and cry at the same time.

[Kate Hudson]

Yeah.

[Oliver Hudson]

And that's what's special about it.

[Kate Hudson]

It's the Cameron Crow word. Happy, sad that like life, like life is just happy sad. Like one can't really exist without the other. And in order to creatively hit that sweet spot, it's actually a really hard thing to do, you know, And Craig did such a good job of, of threading that, you know, needle and walking that line of not ever getting too sentimental either, you know.

[Oliver Hudson]

Exactly.

[Kate Hudson]

It's not cynical. There's like not an ounce of cynicism. Cynicism in this film. It's very pure of heart and yet it doesn't get too sentimental like you want to. When you're done watching it, you're like, I just want to do the things that I love to do and I want to be with my family and you know, and I want to like live a good life.

[Oliver Hudson]

I have a question for you because you've been interviewed for the last two months and had to say the same things over and over again. We know how that works. But I bet you haven't been asked this. What does Hugh Jackman smell like? Because you were very close to him the whole movie.

[Kate Hudson]

You know, I wish he was here.

[Oliver Hudson]

Like, does he have a scent? Is it woodsy? Is it floral?

[Kate Hudson]

That's a really good question. It is kind of more. It's not woodsy, it is more floral. It's more like crisp. It's like a clean. It's like, it's like grass. It's like fresh cut grass.

[Oliver Hudson]

Oh, I like that. I can smell.

[Kate Hudson]

I can't wait till we get to television. Oh, that's so funny.

[Oliver Hudson]

Yeah.

[Kate Hudson]

What I would say his smell is like. Isn't that funny? Oh, let's do this with all my co stars.

[Oliver Hudson]

I was gonna go there next. I'm like, it's funny because everyone does have some sort of ascent.

[Kate Hudson]

Yeah. Like is much deeper. It's much more.

[Oliver Hudson]

That's like much more like musky, like. Yeah, woodsy.

[Kate Hudson]

It's in the earth.

[Oliver Hudson]

Yeah.

[Kate Hudson]

Yeah. It's like it's like dirt. It's like. It's like a. It's like amber dirt.

[Oliver Hudson]

It's kind of good, though, too.

[Kate Hudson]

Oh, no, Amber's a little, like, powdery. I think maybe it would be more like mutt. It would be like more the patchouli.

[Oliver Hudson]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Kate Hudson]

But like, good dirt. Like that. Like that. Like the kind of dirt that grows really great vegetables.

[Oliver Hudson]

Exactly.

[Kate Hudson]

So funny. They really do. I'm trying think of, like. Like, I could do the whole cast of Running Point at this point.

[Oliver Hudson]

Oh, I know. Oh, God. Well, who should we start with?

[Kate Hudson]

So funny. Justin Thoreau is. Is like. Is like Palo Santo.

[Oliver Hudson]

What is like the candle?

[Kate Hudson]

No, he's like. He's like. He's like, not incense. He's like the wood. You know, Palo Santo.

[Oliver Hudson]

Oh, right.

[Kate Hudson]

It's like. It's like that meets, like, a little bit of, like, a citrus, like, high note.

[Oliver Hudson]

Oh, okay. But who's like. Like a vetiver. You know, that, like, sort of deep, sort of Vetiver. French.

[Kate Hudson]

Well, that's citrus, isn't it?

[Oliver Hudson]

Yeah. I thought, like, he. He reminded me of a vetiver. Hugh Thoreau.

[Kate Hudson]

No, no, no. He's more like figure fig.

[Oliver Hudson]

What about. What about. What about Ike Barinholtz?

[Kate Hudson]

Oh, Ike is like. It's like Bristol. Oh, is that what you're singing?

[Oliver Hudson]

Gotta watch my flowers growing so looking for love and I'm feeling groovy When.

[Kate Hudson]

I'm feeling blue I know All I.

[Oliver Hudson]

Gotta do Is take a look at.

[Hugh Jackman]

You who is that then?

[Oliver Hudson]

I'm not so blue that's Phil Collins.

[Hugh Jackman]

That's right. Who is quicker to song? Oliver. Okay, who going around the house? Who's singing more?

[Oliver Hudson]

I. Well, Kate. I don't know that. Probably Kate. But I do like to sing. It makes me feel good.

[Kate Hudson]

It's probably me, but does weird, like, sounds.

[Oliver Hudson]

I do some good, like, you know, vocal gymnastics that a lot of you can't. That can't do. Well, Hugh, I want to.

[Rob Gronkowski]

Hold on.

[Oliver Hudson]

I want to start this whole thing off by saying that before you came on, I asked Kate a very poignant question, because I know that you guys get a thousand of the same questions every single day when you're doing these press junkets, right? But I asked Kate, what does Hugh Jackman smell like? Because she's with you all the time through the sweaty moments, the tender moments, and, you know, she gave a very nice answer. So why don't you. Why don't you tell him what he smells like?

[Hugh Jackman]

Yeah.

[Kate Hudson]

And then I thought, well, this is a really fun thing to do with any co star. I feel like you. I said like grass. Like freshly cut grass.

[Hugh Jackman]

I'll. I. Wow.

[Kate Hudson]

Do you like that?

[Hugh Jackman]

First of all, I love that smell. I thought you meant like grass.

[Kate Hudson]

That's.

[Oliver Hudson]

That's how I smell.

[Hugh Jackman]

That is not me. I mean, in the past, maybe, but it's not me now.

[Kate Hudson]

That was the smell.

[Hugh Jackman]

I'm sure there's been some funk in some points and there's.

[Kate Hudson]

But. But even in those moments, you're always kind of. There's like a freshness.

[Hugh Jackman]

Oh, yeah.

[Kate Hudson]

You're. You've gotta. And then we went into other co stars and then even the guys, even the, the people that I work with on Running Point and started to get weird.

[Oliver Hudson]

Well, the Ike Baron. The Ike Baron holds smell was spot on. She said, like, it's a Michelin star.

[Kate Hudson]

Brisket with some caramelized onions.

[Hugh Jackman]

That's very edible. I'll take that.

[Kate Hudson]

You. Usually when we do our podcast, this is so fun. Now I get to interview. We get to interview. We talk mostly about family, right? You know, we like, we, we break down, like how people grew up and like what their childhood was like. And actually you have seen such a fascinating childhood. You are one of how many kids?

[Hugh Jackman]

So six. My. From mom and dad. I was the youngest of five. My mom remarried and had Rowan when I was 11 and she so my, I guess officially my half sister, but she's my sister. So six. But she grew up in England. So for the, probably the purpose of this, like the growing up, most of my time was I was the youngest of five. I hated being the youngest.

[Oliver Hudson]

You did?

[Kate Hudson]

Hated why?

[Hugh Jackman]

My whole life felt like everyone else was allowed to do stuff that I wasn't allowed to do. I was. And my dad was very regimented. So, you know, everyone got the same. Like, at this age, your bedtime is 7:30. Then at this age it's 8. And this is how much money you get when you're six. Like, you get 15 cents pocket money and you get 20 when you're right. All of that. So my whole life, everyone's getting more than me or staying up later than me. Now I, I'm sick, so I don't care. Like, oh, in a year you'll get to la. I don't care. I've got to go to bed. And you're all watching Six Million Dollar man on Sunday night and I gotta go to bed. I, I used to hate it.

[Oliver Hudson]

It's actually interesting because you don't get to be a part of the sort of family affair or the family get togethers when it is past your bedtime and you're the little one. So everyone else is up except for you.

[Hugh Jackman]

Everyone else assumes. I had the plum, the pole position, being youngest. And I can look back now and see, like, my dad in particular got so soft by the end. I mean, we never did one holiday that wasn't like a camping holiday. But once the older the others were off, I think he's probably like, I got a little extra cash when we went to, like, the Great Barrier Reef and we stay. I got like a room me and my brother shared, like a hotel, like a bungalow on the beach. And all my older brothers and sisters, like, we went to Bali. Like, we went on an overseas trip. Like, yeah, none of my older brothers and sisters got any of that.

[Kate Hudson]

What is the age difference?

[Hugh Jackman]

So, like your oldest, we basically, for school, it was two years, but I think, like, me and my next brother, so Zoe, basically eight years older.

[Kate Hudson]

Okay.

[Hugh Jackman]

So within eight years, Zoe, Ian, Sonia, Ralph, Hugh. And we were at school two years apart. Although my brother ended up repeating a year. So he was only a year older, but he was only 17 months older than me. And he was. He was the best man in my wedding. But we. We were at each other the whole time. I was. I was terrified of my brother because he was. Even when I was like a foot taller than him, I was still scared of him. Yeah, totally had it over me. Hence, I had to become Wolverine. That was it.

[Oliver Hudson]

I remember.

[Hugh Jackman]

Do you remember that Michael Jordan. Remember the Last Dance and Michael Jordan saying, what was the turning point in your career? And he goes, beating my brother. It was just all about beating my brother.

[Oliver Hudson]

That's where it starts.

[Hugh Jackman]

I remember having, wow, hope Ralphie doesn't want me saying this. I remember saying, winning a table tennis competition at a beach holiday. And in the final, I beat my brother. And I'd never really beaten him. He was always a little better than me, a little older than me. And I got a beer can with all the ring pools were put together, but that was wrapped around the beer can. I had that. I still have it to this day. Like, there was nothing I won. No, nothing. I could win an Oscar. It would be behind that beer can. And because it was huge. Although I remember thinking, are you sure you want to win this? Because you're going to pay for it. Like he's going to punish you for beating him. Yeah. No, I don't think you did. No, I'm sure I exaggerated at all.

[Oliver Hudson]

Were you a competitive family? Just generally, yeah, Very, very In sports, athletics and everything.

[Hugh Jackman]

The boys, yes. My sister's not so much. Zoe, my oldest is not.

[Kate Hudson]

Two sisters, three boys.

[Hugh Jackman]

Yeah. And then Rowan is another girl. So we're now three and three. But I grew up with. Yeah, two sisters, three boys.

[Kate Hudson]

Oh my gosh. That's such a big family.

[Hugh Jackman]

It was huge.

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[Oliver Hudson]

It's so wild that the holidays are almost here.

[Kate Hudson]

It is pretty wild. I'm actually already currently right now because actually because of the fires, I had to throw away all of my Christmas decorations.

[Hugh Jackman]

Oh.

[Kate Hudson]

So I am literally right now on the Wayfarer site looking at all Christmas decorations. Wreaths, garlands, holiday pillows. Because I had to do a full refresh. And let me tell you something, it's the way to go.

[Oliver Hudson]

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[Kate Hudson]

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[Oliver Hudson]

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[Kate Hudson]

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[Oliver Hudson]

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[Kate Hudson]

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[Rob Gronkowski]

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[Kate Hudson]

Who was that in the dynamic who is the one that you would like tell your secrets to like or that you would go to if you needed like you know, advice?

[Hugh Jackman]

Secrets was Ralph. He was the next brother up but we went through periods of like he's the last person I would tell but ultimately.

[Commercial Announcer]

Right.

[Hugh Jackman]

Yeah. And then it was probably my brother Ian if I needed advice. So my, my elder sister to give you some context. So mum when my mom and dad split so my first two years almost first year and a half, well I was living with another family because my mom was not very well. And I'm speaking about it now because I've spoken about it before but I want to be mindful of her but she was just not doing great. And so I was. I was the youngest and there were four kids at home, so I stayed with my godparents. I came back, I was probably two, and between two and eight, I was at home. And then my mom and dad divorced. My mom moved back to England. So I was raised from 8 by my. Really, I guess by my dad and my siblings and. And my. Why am I telling you this? The long way around? Sorry. Kate knows I can just. I can see her glazing over sometimes, like at a chunk. It's like I see her going, dude, dude, we have four minutes and we haven't even started talking about the movie. And we're three minutes.

[Oliver Hudson]

No, Hugh, you guys are two peas in a pod. Sometimes Kate will go on these rants where I have to put it through, like, Google Filter, because I'm like, what is she saying here?

[Hugh Jackman]

Like, how do I compliment her all the time? I'm like, you are on point.

[Oliver Hudson]

I need real time AI to, like, understand what she's saying.

[Hugh Jackman]

Okay, so. So the, the point of that story, eight, was my elder sister Zoe moved to England to go back to England where my mum was when she was 18, 19. So I would have been 10.

[Kate Hudson]

Right.

[Hugh Jackman]

So I'm very close with my sister Zoe and my sister Sonia. Sonia, poor Sonia. She was left with just a house of men, I think, in Australia. In Australia in the 70s, 80s, pretty much, you know, a little old school. So she was just.

[Oliver Hudson]

Has that shifted and changed at all? Because it's always been the stereotype, of course, you know, but has that. It's changed.

[Hugh Jackman]

Yeah, and it's changed a lot. Although I, you know, I still think there's remnants of it, you know, My mate Kate knows my best mate Gus, runs a foundation called Gotcha for Life, which was really based around the epidemic of male suicide in Australia. And a lot of that's got to do with this notion that you don't ask for help, just get on with it, mate. What do you mean you got a therapist? Just what, not good enough to hang with your mates at the pub? Like, you have chat with your mates.

[Rob Gronkowski]

That.

[Hugh Jackman]

There's still a little bit of that. I think that's sort of baked in a little bit, but it's. It's changed, thankfully, a lot.

[Kate Hudson]

Now, who in your family was creative, huh? Like, who is the. The. Did you come from any artists? Did you have any aunts or uncles or grandparents like, that were in the art?

[Hugh Jackman]

Yeah, my great aunt was apparently on the stage in the West End in London. My mum was. Is incredibly creative. My father was an accountant and his brother Michael. I loved, like, it was a teacher and just full of life. Like, oh, God, Kate, you would have loved it. He was very. Your vibe. He would have fit in with your family. Your. Your mom would have said, michael Jackman. Ah, we want him around all the time. He was just all. You would hear. He lived in France, he married Claudine in France. And you would hear in the morning, you're waking up and you just hear this. Everyone's a winner. He would come in completely naked, like, morning, everyone. Let's go. Just go and jump in the lake. Full of beans, full of life. He had creativity, my mum, incredibly creative. Creative, creative. Every bone in her body is creative. And in another generation would probably have been an actor or something. Then my dad also, who I thought was really not. I've had people say to me that he was the most creative accountant. He was the maverick. He wanted the crazy idea, which is interesting. Then in my family, Zoe, amazing. She's a fiddle player, she plays mandolin, she's a chef, she can do needlepoint. Growing up, it was always. She was making things. Then Ian, Ian, my. My brother Ian, Rhodes scholar, very, very eminent judge, like, I guess our equivalent of a Supreme Court judge. And.

[Oliver Hudson]

Wow.

[Hugh Jackman]

You know. Yeah. And. But I remember him at school, like, he was the best actor I'd ever seen, but he was just like, yeah, I'm not going to do that. He was. Anything he did. He was great at. My sister Sonia, dancer, actor, singer, did everything. My brother Ralph, also brilliant actor, did. And. And me. So he was always there.

[Oliver Hudson]

It's interesting because you said you also grew up, you know, sort of in a ridge. Your dad was a bit rigid, right. Which I'm assuming meant that he was a bit strict.

[Hugh Jackman]

Very.

[Oliver Hudson]

So it's funny squaring that with creativity, because usually when someone is. When you. When you're. When you're strict and you're holding anyone, someone back, they don't have that freedom to create unless you're rebelling against it somehow.

[Hugh Jackman]

But I can remember him my whole life saying, stop singing, stop whistling. It's annoying. So there was that. But I was always in the school play. I was always doing something. He was driving me to rehearsal. He would take me to every theater show. He would take me to the movies. My standard gift every year from my dad was a subscription to the Sydney Theater Company, so I could see Tim play. Like, he. I think for my dad, it was, if I'm. If I'm right, I Think he was like, the art is a really important part of life. He would take us to the opera, he would take us to classical music. He would take us to the art gallery. He would do all these things. I think in his mind that's important. But I think he was a bit. I know how he was about us doing it as a job. I asked him once when I said, dad, I want to be an actor. I think I want to go off to drama school and be an actor. And I was really nervous about his reaction. And he said to me, he goes, well, I think you have the talent, but I think you're too thin skinned.

[Oliver Hudson]

Yeah.

[Kate Hudson]

How'd that work out for you? How do you feel about that now? I think you're doing all right.

[Hugh Jackman]

I'm doing okay. But I understand what he was saying.

[Oliver Hudson]

Did you have to get callous to have to grow that thick skin?

[Hugh Jackman]

Or.

[Oliver Hudson]

Or were you.

[Hugh Jackman]

Were you willful? Any place I might get. I don't read any reviews. There is if there's comment. I know there's comments on my social media, but, oh, no. People say, do you read them? Like, oh, no, no.

[Oliver Hudson]

What about. Do you. Do you mind watching yourself?

[Hugh Jackman]

Don't love it.

[Oliver Hudson]

Yeah.

[Hugh Jackman]

No. Although I'm getting better. I've sort of forced myself to do that.

[Oliver Hudson]

Yeah. When you do watch yourself, do you. Are you hypercritical in the sense that you look at you like, oh, that was pretty good. And then you. Another scene, you're like, oh, Jesus, what am I doing here? I mean, often.

[Hugh Jackman]

No, I'm often, like, pleasantly surprised.

[Oliver Hudson]

Yeah.

[Hugh Jackman]

I'm like, that actually looked better than it felt, or I thought I stank up the entire set, and I'm like, it's okay.

[Oliver Hudson]

Yeah.

[Hugh Jackman]

And then sometimes I can go, oh, that was good. But also, you know, I can look at scenes. Even the other night of the premiere was about the fifth time I've seen. I'm like, yeah, not so great. Someone said to me, my mate Gus goes, how many. How many scenes? I said, I'm not sure, but it's somewhere between 8 and 20 that I was like, yeah.

[Kate Hudson]

Oh, that's so funny. What are you out of your mind?

[Hugh Jackman]

What about you?

[Kate Hudson]

I'm my worst critic. I think everything's awful.

[Hugh Jackman]

Do you?

[Kate Hudson]

Yeah, But I'm also like. It's like a weird. Like, I. I can't even decipher sometimes if it is. I just don't like watching myself.

[Hugh Jackman]

You ever watch the monitor on set?

[Kate Hudson]

Yeah, you know, I. I actually like doing that because I see it more like Choreography. Right. So like, but, but not, not on serious things, I think like when we're trying to. Sometimes when, especially in comedy, I like to see the frame because it helps. It's like dance, you know.

[Hugh Jackman]

Yeah.

[Kate Hudson]

It's like if, you know you're supposed to like trip in a certain place, like you, when you see the frame, you, it kind of informs, you know, or how you do it. You're like, oh, you know what, I can lean more into the fall. Or you know, you do that really well.

[Hugh Jackman]

By the way, I said I was watching a running point. I'm like, oh, you're so, you're really.

[Kate Hudson]

Good with that with like, with like pratfall running into the glass.

[Hugh Jackman]

I just was thinking about something. I. Can I tell you a little, it's sort of a family. It's not so much sibling, but it's a cool little story from my past. I don't know if I've said that much, but I just remember when I was talking about my dad, I said, I want to go to this school. And I'd auditioned for this school and it was three days a week, it was called the Actors center in Sydney. And I got in and I was so excited. And the next day I got the letter saying, you're in. And at the very bottom it said, please show up with your check for three and a half thousand dollars. And when I was growing up, tertiary education, all college, all university, anything was free. And even my acting school was free because it was a state run thing. So I was like, three and a half thousand? I don't have three and a half thousand. And I'd already done a university degree which my dad had helped me with. And so I just ripped it up and put in the bin because I was like, I don't have three and a half grand and there's no way I'm asking my dad for three and a half grand. Like I've just finished. And the very next day I got a check in the mail from my dad's mom, my grandmother's bequest for three and a half thousand dollars. I swear to you, I literally went, I was in shock. And then I went to the waste paper basket and I picked out the scrumpled up acceptance thing just to check. I'm like, what is happening? And there it was, there was my trainer. So I went to my dad and I said, dad, remember I asked you about being an actor? I said, I got this money, I was like, from your mum's will. And I want to put it towards that and he said to me, I couldn't think of a better way for you to spend her money. He was always about education. My dad was always like do everything you can to be educated. Always like just feel like you belong, feel like you deserve to be there. Do whatever you need to do so that when you turn up for that interview or that audition or whatever it is, you go, oh yeah, no, I'm ready for this.

[Oliver Hudson]

That's amazing.

[Kate Hudson]

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[Kate Hudson]

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[Rob Gronkowski]

This is Rob Gronkowski from Dudes on Dudes with Gronk and jules. For the second season in a row, I partnered with T Mobile's Friday night 5G lights powering up hometown football across America. This year, T mobile invested over $4 million in prizes to help schools take their Friday nights to the next level. The votes are in. And now it's time to crown our $1 million grand prize. Winner. Congratulations to Derrick's High school and Derrick's Arkansas, home of the Outlaws and your 2025 T mobile Friday night 5G lights champion. The Outlaws and their community rallied to help them score a game changing home field upgrade, a Gronk Fitness weight room makeover, an epic 2026 tailgate party and a VIP trip to the SEC championship game. To every school that competed, posted and rallied your communities. Thank you and to T Mobile for making it all possible. This season may be over, but the story isn't. Stay tuned for season three in 2026. Congratulations again to Derek's High School Outlaws.

[Commercial Announcer]

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[Kate Hudson]

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[Kate Hudson]

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[Hugh Jackman]

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[Kate Hudson]

You Was there a lot of laughter in your house? Like was there. Was it boisterous or.

[Hugh Jackman]

Or was it between the siblings? Yes.

[Kate Hudson]

Right. But when pops rolled around, everybody got more behaved.

[Hugh Jackman]

When I, yeah, it was sort of, I would say, dinners. We always had a sit down dinner. No one was allowed to answer the phone if the phone rang during dinner and you do not get up to answer it. Yeah, there was. We had Sunday morning breakfast together. We had this Sunday lunch together. Sunday lunch. We get a bit more boisterous because my dad would have a few. But always amongst the siblings there was. So there was a lot of giggling. That wasn't meant to be happening. That was my main memory.

[Oliver Hudson]

Right.

[Hugh Jackman]

And camping holidays. My dad was an accountant. He was tight. He had literally a five. It was called a five man tent. And there was five children and my father. So I'm sure my dad's like, I got two kids. They two of them are young. That's one person fight. That's all we need. Five man. 10. So I was at the top where I had to sleep in like a bend like that so I could go around the pole. And there was Iris. So I remember a lot of after there. I do remember a lot of. And to this day when we get to get. Oh, this is the coolest.

[Commercial Announcer]

Wow.

[Hugh Jackman]

I told you, man. I am talking a lot.

[Kate Hudson]

No, this is.

[Oliver Hudson]

I love it. Yeah.

[Hugh Jackman]

So in January, I won't tell you where me and my siblings are getting together for a week for the first time since my sister's wedding 25 years ago. No. You know what a wedding's like. There's 150 people. So technically we were together and there's a photo of all of us, but there's no partners there's no children. And it was after my father passed away during COVID He. We couldn't go to the funeral. Australia was so strict. So my brother Ian was there and gave the eulogy, and I was like, this just feels. We. We should be getting together and telling stories and laughing and getting drunk and, remember crying and doing all that. And so not long after that, I contacted them all. I said, guys. And they immediately jumped on and said, let's do it. That was four years ago. It's happening in January. That's how far ahead we had to go. We were like, what about this day? I can't do it. This one, three could do it. Two couldn't. It's happening in January. I'm so excited.

[Kate Hudson]

That's so exciting.

[Oliver Hudson]

That is special. Wow.

[Hugh Jackman]

Now I feel you guys do that.

[Kate Hudson]

We, like, live that way. I wish we spent more time apart.

[Oliver Hudson]

Yeah, me too.

[Kate Hudson]

I'm like, can't I go somewhere else for.

[Hugh Jackman]

You know, where I was? You know, I just did Kelly and Mark, which you're doing.

[Kate Hudson]

Oh, yeah, yeah.

[Hugh Jackman]

But we're doing a TV show without you.

[Kate Hudson]

I was like, oh, I know.

[Hugh Jackman]

I'm gonna do all the talking. What? So we go. And in the commercial break, Kelly just goes, I want to be adopted by the whole family. That whole. I want that whole family. Oh, she told me a great story about you, which you can edit out if you don't like. But she said, I remember Kate coming to my house, and the first thing she did was like, can we have a kind of a tour? And they're like, oh, yeah, okay. We're in the bathroom. And she said. And Kate just opened up my medicine drawer. Oliver's like, 100. She said. And just looked up, went, oh, my God. And literally, she said she got every cream. She goes, you just. Oh, is this one good or this? And she said, lathering herself all over her body with every cream that I had.

[Oliver Hudson]

Yes.

[Rob Gronkowski]

That's.

[Oliver Hudson]

That's. That's. That is genetic. That is Goldie Hawn, and that is Kate Hudson.

[Kate Hudson]

I think it is very female. Sorry. But every girl who's listening to this understands. I mean, I guess. I guess, like. I guess I have a different version of that story, but. But I guess, like, when you. I love. She had just. Her house is amazing. And we're in one part of the house. And I was like. She was telling me all about the house and the kids and where the kids are, and I was like, I have to see your house. But we had, like, one of those great girly moments in her bathroom. And yes, I tried on, like, every cream. I wanted to know everything you're doing on your face.

[Hugh Jackman]

You're used to having a lot of people around Kate Hudson, aren't you?

[Kate Hudson]

Oh, yeah. Yeah.

[Hugh Jackman]

You're very comfortable with it.

[Kate Hudson]

Yes and no. Like, I feel like I like my alone time. I think Oliver and I are actually really similar like that. Like, we're really good at being social, and then we just go and do our whole, like, our, we hibernate in our, you know, area.

[Oliver Hudson]

As I get older, too, I'm just becoming more antisocial. Yeah, I'm just, yeah, I'd rather just be home and reading or doing something else rather than going out. But then when I do go out, I go out. I go out.

[Hugh Jackman]

Do you then, have you got that Kate thing where you go out and then as the hours get later, the energy just goes up and up and up?

[Oliver Hudson]

Oh, yeah. Oh, God. I, I, I, I don't know. Two drinks. I can't do that. I don't even know what that is. No clue. Kate does. If I get a little taste, I'm like, oh, we're out and about. All right, let's, let's, let's see how long, let's see how late we can take this, you know, that's fine.

[Kate Hudson]

I get pretty good. Like, I have that thing where I pop right out of bed too. Like, it doesn't, it could have been four hours of sleep and I pop it out of bed, but then, like, then the next day, like, I'm the person that can sleep for 10 hours.

[Hugh Jackman]

Nice. You still have that ability.

[Oliver Hudson]

I don't. Oh, my gosh. I'm up at seven every morning no matter what.

[Hugh Jackman]

Same.

[Oliver Hudson]

Yeah.

[Hugh Jackman]

Peeing once or twice a night. All of them. Where are you at?

[Oliver Hudson]

Twice. Twice.

[Hugh Jackman]

Whoa.

[Kate Hudson]

You're at twice a night.

[Oliver Hudson]

Well, once last night. I, I, the thing is, I love my water, so I drink too much before bed.

[Hugh Jackman]

Yeah.

[Oliver Hudson]

You know, I have to stop drinking water like, an hour before bed, and then I'll be all right.

[Hugh Jackman]

Yeah.

[Oliver Hudson]

But I'm, I'm, I'm, you know, sometimes it gets bad. Sometimes it's like four times. I'm like, what the.

[Hugh Jackman]

Oh, here's a game changer. So an actual path told me, like, stop at 5 or 6. Stop pounding it by 5 or 6pm yeah. Then just sit. You, you said you've had enough water.

[Oliver Hudson]

Yeah.

[Hugh Jackman]

Now I'm down to 1p a night.

[Oliver Hudson]

That's good.

[Hugh Jackman]

But I haven't drunk in 18 months. That's really helped my sleep a lot. I've had like two glasses of wine.

[Kate Hudson]

Wow.

[Hugh Jackman]

Yeah. I have restless leg. I don't know if you've heard of that thing. And it's sort of. It runs in my family a lot. And, and so when you get overtired, it's this cycle. You get overtired, so you get it. Then you can't sleep, so you get more tired. So I just stopped drinking. Not really because of that, but it's got so much better.

[Oliver Hudson]

Wow. RLS Like, I, I feel like I have it sometimes because I just can't stop moving my legs. But how do you, how are you even diagnosed with something like that, you.

[Hugh Jackman]

Know, if you got it? My, my mama has a pretty bad. She's like, she, she said it's like chewing aluminum foil. Ah. So it's, you know, I get it. Sometimes you just sit there in your leg or you're in bed and your leg jolts out of the blue. That's not it. Right. It's like, it's like an internal itch that you can't get to unless you move around. So you get up and walk or you eat. So being the worst is on a plane, if I'm on a night flight and there's no flat, dead or thank goodness I can do that. I'm just the guy walking up and down and it's just. Yeah. Wow.

[Oliver Hudson]

Yeah. I mean, when I pee at night too, you know, I like to sit down and just relax for like a while. I think more men sit down and pee than they want to let on.

[Hugh Jackman]

Oh, yeah. No, I've, I've switched.

[Oliver Hudson]

I've switched, dude. I think men, you know, no longer. It's not machis, not, you know, macho anymore.

[Hugh Jackman]

America does not set you up for success.

[Oliver Hudson]

Right?

[Hugh Jackman]

I've really only. It's taken me a long time to notice this. There's a lot of water in the bowl to begin with. Yes. Stand up.

[Oliver Hudson]

Peeing.

[Hugh Jackman]

Yeah. You're cleaning up or you're not?

[Oliver Hudson]

No, I, I. Hey, if there's any time in the day to take a little rest, why not take a rest? So you just sit down and pee.

[Hugh Jackman]

Is it a heated seat now, Oliver? How fancy are we getting?

[Oliver Hudson]

Then you got heated seat.

[Kate Hudson]

Maybe that's what you should ask for for Christmas.

[Oliver Hudson]

A toto toilet.

[Kate Hudson]

This reminds me of yesterday. We had to do. We, we went and did Eli Manning's podcast.

[Oliver Hudson]

Oh, you did?

[Kate Hudson]

And I had to sit and listen to the guys talk about how much they bench pressed. So very interesting. Their bench Press number. Your guys's number of peeing in the night.

[Oliver Hudson]

Australia is where you made, you know.

[Hugh Jackman]

Hey.

[Oliver Hudson]

In the beginning. Correct. And as an actor and then did you then graduate to sort of the States or were you. Were you a. Were you a known entity in Australia before anyone knew you in the States?

[Hugh Jackman]

I sort of came out from drama school and did a TV series which made me semi known. And then I did a couple of things on stage which sort of made me known. And I think I was semi known. You know, I was. No, I wasn't Nicole Kidman or Russell Crowe, but I was there and then went to England to do Oklahoma, and that was a big hit over there. And I auditioned for X Men from that and so. But it was. X Men was a massive game. It was like a. I was here and then massive.

[Oliver Hudson]

Oh, shit. So it was literally Oklahoma to X Men.

[Hugh Jackman]

Right? I auditioned with a perm in my hair. I put on a baseball cap. And I remember the casting agent going, I don't think the baseball cap's a great idea. I took it off. She was, I think it's a good idea.

[Oliver Hudson]

Well, do you remember your audition for X Men? I mean, totally. You do. Did you bring the Voice already? Is that your interpretation?

[Hugh Jackman]

I think I can't remember that, but I remember Adeline. Here's one of the great bits of luck. I had to go in between. It was a Wednesday and I had to go in between the matinee and the evening show was a long show. We came down to five, I had to be back by seven. So I go into town, I ran into town and I'm waiting to do this audition. And I remember just going, they knew I had a show. And I was like, I've got to go, I've got to go. I gotta go. And finally I did the dick thing. I'd sort of. Someone left. I knocked on the door, I said, guys, I gotta go. And they said, well, you're not next. I said, that's cool. I've got a show to do, so I'm out. Thanks, all the best. But I was pit. I was pissed and didn't give a. And then whatever nerves I had about doing it, I was just like, whatever. And I went in there, which of course, perfect for Wolverine, right? So I went in with a. I didn't get a. Are we done? We done? Let's go. And I walked out the door and they like, we love this guy. Let's get him back. And then my. My next audition, I was like, what would you Like. Right.

[Oliver Hudson]

That's great.

[Kate Hudson]

That's so funny.

[Oliver Hudson]

God.

[Kate Hudson]

What did I. I just saw this really interesting, like on, you know, Instagram, where Jacob Elordi was talking about what his acting coach said is the best thing to do in an acting. I'm gonna. I might butcher this, but is to. When you go into an audition that you treat it like a crime scene. Have you heard this?

[Oliver Hudson]

No, I love this already, though.

[Kate Hudson]

He's like, you treat it like a crime scene, but the blood's all over your body.

[Hugh Jackman]

Body.

[Oliver Hudson]

I think I've heard this. Yeah.

[Kate Hudson]

You're just, you're you, you know, you walk in there and like you entering the crime scene and it's so clearly you're the one who did it.

[Hugh Jackman]

Oh, that's so cool.

[Kate Hudson]

And I thought, what an interesting kind of thing to think about before you go into an audition.

[Hugh Jackman]

I had to trick myself in every audition. I had to do something. All these casting directors go, that's what he was doing. I had to do something to make me feel like I was in my first rehearsal. Like I already got it, that I was making my own. So there's. I'd walk in and there'd be one chair and the camera's on the chair and I'm going. I go, yeah, I think I'm going to do this standing. And I think I might do it against that wall over there. And they're like, oh, we set up here. Okay. No, I think that's important. Somehow that made me feel like. Like I had some ownership over it.

[Oliver Hudson]

Yeah, Very cool.

[Hugh Jackman]

Yeah.

[Oliver Hudson]

Oh, yeah. And I think that's great. I think it's a great idea because everyone. Well, you walk in there with nerves and fear and you don't want to disappoint or make anyone, you know, shake anyone. So you're like, I'll do whatever you want rather. But it's your time.

[Kate Hudson]

You know what happens when a woman does that in an audition is they don't keep the. They tell her to leave the room immediately.

[Hugh Jackman]

Like, absolutely. It's different. I agree. Well, it was.

[Kate Hudson]

Well, now.

[Oliver Hudson]

Now it's all self tapes. I gotta, like, do one. I gotta do one today. So if I do that to Aaron's the one filming me. Like, Aaron, move out of the way. I mean, I could. I could try to be.

[Kate Hudson]

I like that the self tapes gets people more people in the room. Like, you get to. I hate more actors. But I really think, like, I love this. The. The auditioning process. When you get in your car and you drive across town and Then you had another audition, like on another part of town, and you'd get in the room and you'd sit in a waiting room with other actors and see them in the room. That's such a huge part of what, of the beginning process of what we did. I mean, you. I mean, I guess you didn't really get that part because you did Wolverine. I mean, you just went, no, I.

[Hugh Jackman]

Have four, four or five years of auditioning for sure.

[Kate Hudson]

Oh, you did? Yeah.

[Hugh Jackman]

And the other thing, I don't know about you, K, but on movies I'm noticing a lot of people come in and have one scene or a day. They just come and do a day. Seem more frightened than in the past because I think when you go into a casting agent and you have to do it then and you've been sitting out there with 15 people.

[Kate Hudson]

Yeah.

[Hugh Jackman]

The pressure's there and you go on and it somehow replicates a little bit of what it feels like on set. All right, everyone quiet on set. See, like, oh, you know, yeah, you.

[Oliver Hudson]

Do it at home.

[Hugh Jackman]

It's like, I'll do 600 takes. I'll do whatever.

[Oliver Hudson]

Oh, that's the problem with the self tape is they do a 7,000 takes. I'm there from like 6am to 6pm for two scenes. And Aaron's like, can I go? I need to do things. I'm like, babe, no. One more, one more.

[Kate Hudson]

Oh, my God.

[Oliver Hudson]

I always have so much compassion for the day players who have to come in and do some scene that I've never. Oh, gosh. I'm always like, hey, it's all gonna be okay, buddy. Like, you know. Yeah, you're. It's it. You go up. Everyone up. It's okay. It's okay, Oliver.

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[Kate Hudson]

So okay, Oliver, now you get to be our interviewer at ask us questions about our new movie.

[Oliver Hudson]

All right. Their movie song sung Bloom. First of all, who had the gig first?

[Hugh Jackman]

Me.

[Oliver Hudson]

Okay.

[Hugh Jackman]

Craig. Well, Craig came to me.

[Oliver Hudson]

Yeah.

[Hugh Jackman]

With the documentary.

[Oliver Hudson]

Oh, that's right.

[Hugh Jackman]

Yeah. To see if I was interested.

[Oliver Hudson]

And you 100 were yeah, yeah.

[Hugh Jackman]

He hadn't written the script yet. I was just like, it's the best story. I've got to do this.

[Oliver Hudson]

Okay, next question. Were there other iterations of actors, actresses that were supposed to come through?

[Hugh Jackman]

There were, there were discussions. Yeah, there were discussions. There were, there were sort of lists. There were discussions. But it was, it was. The turning point was Michelle, who, you know, well, Ms. Remy, watching Kate on CBS Sunday morning. And I just texted Craig that morning and I said, claire's Kate. Kate's Claire. And he was like, oh my God, 100% like. But he said it like that. I've already had that in mind.

[Oliver Hudson]

Wow. And then Kate, when you heard, first heard about the script, you knew Hugh was involved. I remember you said to me, I'm worried about Hugh, that he's gonna sing like he did in Greatest Showman. And that was one of your major concerns.

[Hugh Jackman]

Like Dear God.

[Oliver Hudson]

Which by the way, is like my favorite movie, literally Oliver's Day. Oh, my God. I think it's amazing. But, but when you read the script, were you immediately in.

[Kate Hudson]

Yeah. Yes. Yeah. I mean, if I'm being really honest, I was a little worried about location because it was the first time that I was going to be away from the kids and in a long time and we were going to shoot somewhere other than New York. And I was like, oh, God, I'm gonna have to be away from Ronnie and what am I gonna do? Because it was like, you know, it was about two plus months and I was having a little bit of anxiety around that. But I was always gonna do the movie. You know, there was no question that I wanted to make this movie. I mean, I actually had read the script. I was slipped the script before.

[Hugh Jackman]

I.

[Kate Hudson]

Got offered the script. So I had read it and sort of Ally had like put our feelers out there.

[Oliver Hudson]

Oh, nice.

[Kate Hudson]

Yeah.

[Oliver Hudson]

And, and, and had you guys known each other before this?

[Hugh Jackman]

Yep. We'd done a, We. Was it a one day reading?

[Kate Hudson]

Yeah, we did like a workshop. Like a workshop for a, A Houdini musical that. Yeah. And it was really fun. But. But it was one, you know, full day pretty much. And then other than that, only at like, events, but we didn't really know.

[Hugh Jackman]

Although I met. Hey. But she has no memory of it.

[Oliver Hudson]

Oh, really?

[Hugh Jackman]

At Goldie's house. I don't remember who took me, but it was early 2000s and I remember going to, I think it was a Christmas holiday ish sort of party. Although I don't remember any trees, so it can't have been Because I'm sure it's just like a forest of Christmas trees, isn't it?

[Oliver Hudson]

And so.

[Hugh Jackman]

But I remember being in the kitchen. My memory's like as a kitchen adjunct to the kitchen, which feels like a living room. And Kate walked in and on fire, just like, hi, and how are you? And I'm like, hi. And I just like the coolest kid in class and then walked out. But she has no memory of that.

[Oliver Hudson]

No.

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Well, and then.

[Kate Hudson]

And then, like, Hugh told me this like two weeks ago. I was like, wait, now you're having a. Like, we did a whole movie together. Other.

[Oliver Hudson]

Well, chemistry is obviously massive, right? When we're doing anything as an actor or whatever. Even, even, even pasta, even with the directors and everything else. But of course, the chemistry between the two have to be there. And that can be created or it can be instant. You know, I think that when it's not there, you have to find a way to make it happen. But with you guys, obviously, it seems like just knowing you, Hugh, in the short time and watching you together, it seemed like almost instantaneous. So, yes, you knew each other, but you didn't. You didn't have much of a relationship. When you guys first started rehearsing and seeing it, was it like, oh, this is immediate, like, this is. It's on. Or was there a feel? Was there a feel out period?

[Hugh Jackman]

Oh, okay. And I've talked about this. It was like, it felt easy. It didn't feel. I think I thought a lot about this chemistry word. Like, you want everyone to believe it, obviously. And yeah, you can fight. I mean, we, we. That's what we're doing for a living. We fake it, right? But I think if there's trust between two people and you can maybe share vulnerabilities, whether it be around performing or just life or whatever that is, if there's a feeling of trust, then that's the door that needs to open. And I think on top of that, Kate and I have a lot in common. The way we approach work, the way we approach people, the way we approach life, we're both quite optimistic, forward moving people. And anyway, it just felt easy.

[Oliver Hudson]

So when you guys are doing these emotional scenes, right, When Kate has to lose it, when you have to lose it, when it's happening, how much of it is on the actor who is not necessarily the one who has to be that vulnerable and emotional, how open does the person opposite have to be to allow that to happen? You know what I mean?

[Kate Hudson]

That's interesting question.

[Hugh Jackman]

It's a great question. And I think that's the thing, because.

[Oliver Hudson]

Sometimes you can get afraid even if there are. Even if you have trust. It's like, you know, oh, I'm gonna do this big scene in front of Hugh right now. Like, it's almost like you have to receive it so she can give it.

[Hugh Jackman]

Yeah, that's where the trust is. Well, I have something to say. Okay. What do you think about that?

[Kate Hudson]

No, you, you, you. I mean, I. I think it's. That's a really interesting way of asking that question. Because it really is. It's like feeling free to be. Feel emotionally naked in front of somebody and risk making a mistake or looking silly or feeling like your choices aren't good enough. Having, like, the confidence to make maybe what could also be a bad choice, but like a great co star, a great acting partner elevates you. Like, you kind of guide each other through it a little bit. Like, it's like there is a reciprocated. Like you feed off of each other in a way. And when it's actually really working when you're doing, I think, what it is that we're supposed to do, which is you give and you receive and you listen. Like, if you're actually doing that in a way where you're fully connected, fully open, vulnerable, and feel trust, then it's like it becomes. You kind of lose yourself. It allows you to lose yourself in it a little bit.

[Hugh Jackman]

You know, I think about that scene where I had to sort of. Where Mike finally sort of breaks down because it says, I've got to let go of lightning. So it's this lifeline for him, this character he's created. I've got to let go of it. And I think of you coming up, your choice to come up behind me, and I could feel you. So it's so important to have that. And if I don't have it in the actor I'm working with, I'll find it on set. I won't tell that crew member, but there'll be some crew member who would be, for some reason, be the one. If I was going through something really hard at lunchtime, that'd be the person I would trust or who would put their hand on my shoulder. That feeling of a. Some. I won't. Sometimes I remember Darren Aronofsky. I said I had to do these things. I'm on my own. They were very vulnerable. And I said, darren, I want you beside the camera because I built up a friendship and a trust with him and an honesty. So he was the one for me. Standing by the camera. But I kind of like that because I think as an actor, you're revealing something and allowing the audience. And it's the courage. What you said is right. It's a courage to allow people to see parts of your own heart, of your own emotional being that we hide. We hide it all the time.

[Kate Hudson]

So, yeah, it's also like, what, you know, what. What pa. You know, Kurt, the. The, you know, don't. Don't let him catch you acting. Like the Spencer Tracy line. You know, don't let. Don't, you know, this kid comes up to Spencer Tracy and says, you know, I want to be an actor. And Spencer Tracy says, well, don't let him catch you at it. And, like, that's the ultimate goal. And, like, in order to do that, you have to break down so many things. It needs to become so honest. And if you don't like what Hugh's saying that's so interesting, if you don't have that in your actual scene, partner, you have to find it somewhere else.

[Hugh Jackman]

Yeah.

[Oliver Hudson]

Did you guys get nervous? Hugh, do you get nervous before anything anymore?

[Hugh Jackman]

You know, that strikes the hell out of me, right? And. And I. I think often about Travolta. I did a film. My second film was with Travolta. And, man, I grew up watching Grease and Saturday night favor, like walking by Carter. I'm like. And I asked him, I said, do you get nervous? He goes, first two days of any film, you can just throw it in the trash. Because I still get it first. Takes me two days. You're putting on a new skin. It's like putting on a new pair of shoes. Doesn't matter. You wear shoes every day. A new pair is going to feel not great. And it drives me crazy sometimes. It's much better. It's one of the reasons I don't want to. I used to not want to stop because I was like, I was going to keep going. There's like, I want more time in the saddle. Please, more. Sometimes I think doing it. The beauty of doing a TV show, which is the first thing I did, you're on camera so much, and you're so tired, and you've got so much dialogue. You have no space for nerves. But I don't know. Yeah, I still feel it. How about you?

[Kate Hudson]

Oh, yeah.

[Hugh Jackman]

Really?

[Kate Hudson]

I feel it. Yeah, I get nervous.

[Hugh Jackman]

I didn't see that at all.

[Kate Hudson]

But I don't. I don't let it show. Like, I think that people think I'm much more like, I. I'm good at like, powering through my nerves. Like, it's almost like fuel for me. Like, when I get nervous or if I get that, like, anxious feeling or that, like, excitement, I. It's like it's my fuel.

[Hugh Jackman]

I remember asking a sound. Sound recordist. He was. He just came up and I said something about nerves, and he goes, oh, if I could play you what I hear. Oh, the heartbeat in all these actors.

[Kate Hudson]

Ah, interesting.

[Oliver Hudson]

He's cool.

[Hugh Jackman]

He goes, I reckon some of them are going 150 beats per minute, and they may be on camera looking all cool and suave. He goes, I know the truth.

[Oliver Hudson]

That's cool. Yeah. Not to mention everyone talking to themselves like, come on, Oliver, you can do this. Don't. Don't forget your line. Don't forget your line again. They're gonna hate you even more.

[Kate Hudson]

Yeah.

[Oliver Hudson]

We love you, man. This has been so much fun. I know you guys can't taught that you can, but the movie is so fantastic. And I'm not just saying that. It's a throwback movie. We don't see anything like these anymore, and I think it's time we do. It's feel good, you know, it takes you on this journey. It's not. It's not. It's not too sentimental. It's like. Like it strikes this perfect balance, you know, where you are happy crying at the end. And we don't get. We don't get that much anymore. And I think it's important now to see these things, to go to the movie theater, to go watch these things with a group. It's a great movie to see with a crowd. You know what I mean? It's not just the Marvel movies that you want to go see with the crowd. Like, there are these kinds of movies that you want to go see with people because we are all energy. And when that energy sort of comes to together in a room and you're watching this mo. These moments, you feel it throughout the theater. So that's why you should probably go to the movie theater to watch this thing.

[Hugh Jackman]

Thanks, my man.

[Kate Hudson]

We love you.

[Hugh Jackman]

Good luck. Crush that audition today, man.

[Oliver Hudson]

Oh, yeah, it's gonna be great. Aaron's gonna be hating me. A handheld. A handheld iPhone. The kids screaming, the dogs are barking. You don't understand. It's complete mayhem when I do these things.

[Hugh Jackman]

Have a great holidays.

[Oliver Hudson]

All right.

[Kate Hudson]

All right.

[Hugh Jackman]

I love you both.

[Oliver Hudson]

Thank you, everybody. Thank you, man. This is amazing.

[Hugh Jackman]

Bye.

[Kate Hudson]

That was so great. How much do you love Hugh?

[Oliver Hudson]

Like, so much.

[Kate Hudson]

Isn't he the best? We were doing it on the carpet one time, and someone said. Someone said to him, who do you want to be the celebrity who would play you? And he goes, all of a Hudson.

[Oliver Hudson]

Well, I wanted to show him my. My Wolverine body, you know?

[Kate Hudson]

Well, I'm glad you didn't.

[Oliver Hudson]

No, because I wanted to. I was gonna pitch him because he's gonna shirt, but he's gonna be. I'm gonna pitch him.

[Kate Hudson]

Great and lean.

[Hugh Jackman]

Oh, look.

[Kate Hudson]

Oh, my God. You're getting jacked. Oliver. Hazel, I'm so proud of you. If anybody could see my brother, just. My brother just gave me, like, a. Well, he took his shirt off, but.

[Oliver Hudson]

I wanted to pitch.

[Kate Hudson]

I wanted sort of abs. They're starting to show through.

[Oliver Hudson]

Oh, you got to get some fat off of them. But the Wolverine needs a younger brother. His name's like the little guy, you know, it's like. It's like the Wolverito or something like that.

[Kate Hudson]

Or Italian. It's the Italian.

[Oliver Hudson]

He's an Italian. No, Wolverino. Right. He's an Italian. He said he's come to live in the United States, and he's like, where is my brother? I am Wolverino.

[Kate Hudson]

Horn.

[Hugh Jackman]

Totally.

[Oliver Hudson]

It's like some.

[Kate Hudson]

Your horn is like your weapon. All right, I got to go.

[Oliver Hudson]

I love you. Love you. Okay, bye.

[Hugh Jackman]

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[Oliver Hudson]

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