Spiritually Speaking with Goldie Hawn & John Edward

Summary

Sibling Revelry with Kate Hudson and Oliver Hudson

Episode: Spiritually Speaking with Goldie Hawn & John Edward

Release Date: September 15, 2025

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Episode Overview

This episode of Sibling Revelry dives deep into questions of spirituality, consciousness, the afterlife, and psychic ability with world-renowned medium John Edward and family matriarch Goldie Hawn. Oliver and Kate Hudson explore their upbringing around psychic phenomena, Goldie’s mystical curiosities, and John Edward’s life story—examining skepticism, inherited abilities, religious dynamics, and the nature of love and evil. The conversation is rich, touching, and filled with insight and humor, maintaining the playful, seeking spirit of the show.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Introducing John Edward and the Family’s Spiritual Background

Timestamps: [03:57] – [05:12]

• Oliver introduces John Edward as a world-renowned medium, noting the family’s openness to psychics and spiritual guidance.
• Goldie Hawn and Oliver reminisces about relying on intuitives for big decisions ("Mom, call somebody, I don't know if I should do this gig or not. Mom's like, hold on. Speed dial, speed dial, speed dial." – Oliver Hudson [04:45]).
• Goldie warmly welcomes John, praising his lifelong work and impact.

2. John Edward’s Origin Story: Skepticism and Discovery

Timestamps: [05:55] – [08:29]

• John grew up in a divided family: Irish, skeptical cop father; Italian, spiritually open mother and grandmother (the "paranormal hub of activity").
• Initially a skeptic, John was convinced after a teenage reading that proved uncannily accurate.
• Key insight: The experience made John feel "violated" rather than enlightened, as he worried about psychic privacy.

Quote:
"She told me I would change the way millions of people looked at her subject matter. I wanna emphasize again, I was 15, and she sounded like she was batshit crazy ... But everything she told me happened." — John Edward [06:28]

3. Analytical Approach and Lifelong Curiosity

Timestamps: [08:43] – [10:30]

• John attributes his inquisitiveness to being both logical and open-minded, challenged by blind faith and always seeking more knowledge.
• He dives into astrology, numerology, and other "tools of divination" not for prediction but for improving life understanding.

Quote:
"What I always want people to be is a seeker. Because if we're being a seeker, that leads to us exploring ... that can lead to discovery. Once you have discovery, that raises your awareness." — John Edward [09:08]

4. Dreams vs. Visits and the Nature of ‘The Other Side’

Timestamps: [10:30] – [14:27]

• Goldie shares the profound feeling of visitation from lost loved ones in dreams.
• John delineates dreams (which fade) versus spiritual "visits" (vivid, unforgettable, often delivering blessings or insights).

Quote:
"That's a visit. There's a difference between a visit and a dream. Dreams fade ... but a visit, when you wake up, you won't forget it." — John Edward [11:13]

• Goldie probes whether spirits retain human emotions; John clarifies: "They don't miss us—because they're still with us. We miss what we don’t have physically." [14:56]

5. How Mediumship Feels & Reception of Messages

Timestamps: [16:01] – [18:29]; [21:44] – [24:24]

• John describes receiving messages: information arrives as "sign language" or symbolic downloads, not direct conversation.
• He frequently interprets through movie and TV references, likening it to Pictionary or charades with spirits.

Quote:
"It's like playing Pictionary spirits or charades with the afterlife ... sometimes they're probably like, dude, just say the blue hat!" — John Edward [22:32]

Memorable Story:

John recounts misinterpreting a persistent "bell" symbol until his client reveals her late husband left her a bell to ring if she ever needed him, just before dying in an accident.
"Where did I go? Philadelphia. Yeah. ... And this poor man was probably like: dude, just say bell." [24:22]

6. Demystifying Psychic Ability: Inheritance, Practice, and Religion

Timestamps: [27:50] – [34:12]

• Kate and John discuss psychic ability being inherited, especially in superstitious Italian families steeped in faith and folklore.
• Exploring the family’s Catholicism: John shares stories of feeling like an outcast from the church—until profound encounters reading both a nun and a priest convinced him his work could coexist with faith.

Quote:
"Faith is free. Religion people pay for." — John Edward [34:12]

7. Childhood Experiences and the "Psychic Muscle"

Timestamps: [34:17] – [36:30]

• Young John had "out of body" experiences and inexplicable knowledge of family incidents.
• He relates a fourth-grade memory: successfully spelling "phlegm" on a test, swearing he saw the word written on the board though the teacher hadn't written it.

8. Is It a Gift or a Skill Everyone Has?

Timestamps: [41:16] – [42:49]

• Goldie and the Hudsons ask: is this a rare gift or a human skill?
• John asserts it’s like a "muscle"—everyone has it to varying degrees, and the gift is in recognizing and nurturing it.

Quote:
"Everybody has it. And I think people have certain abilities that are better than others. ... The gift is in the connection and the communication." — John Edward [41:49]

• Kate and John agree: everyone has psychic ability; it simply varies.

9. Mediumship, Grief, and Real-World Impact (FBI Partnership)

Timestamps: [42:49] – [49:04]

• John’s decades-long collaboration with an FBI agent began as an attempted "sting" to expose him as a fraud. The agent’s experiences shifted him from skeptic to believer.
• John describes psychometry (reading the energy of objects) and emphasizes: "Never give a psychic a photo or object of the deceased—you could be reading energy, not speaking with the spirit."
• The work brings comfort in unsolved cases, but John clarifies he never solves them alone; his insights are part of a larger investigative process.

Quote:
"So there's no quick fixes for anybody that thinks, 'Go get a reading, quick fix.' Yeah. Not real." — John Edward [47:14]

10. Light, Darkness, and Moral Reckoning After Death

Timestamps: [49:26] – [54:53]

• Oliver asks about evil spirits; John responds that evil is overwhelmingly a human experience—"the darkness lies in the heart of man." He believes that while even the darkest energies (e.g., abusers, criminals) retain their essence after death, they must confront the ripple effects of their earthly actions.
• Readings with messages from abusive or harmful family members are handled with care, focusing on recognizing trauma and encouraging healing in the living.

Quote:
"We don't escape anything. ... The universe will always balance out the equation." — John Edward [50:29]

Goldie: “Forgiveness is the great aspect of love and also the great ability to be happy.” [52:29]

• John emphasizes the difference between earthly "happiness" or "regret" and afterlife "bliss" and "understanding."

Quote:
"When you look at people who've had near-death experiences, the collective word they use is bliss. ... There are earth words and then there are other side words, afterlife words.” — John Edward [54:07]

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Spiritual Visits vs. Dreams:
  "That's a visit ... when you wake up, you won't forget it. You could have had it 50 years ago and you'll remember it like it was five minutes ago because it was an encounter." — John Edward [11:13]

• On Inherited Abilities:
  "Yes, it's definitely inherited." — John Edward [27:54]

• On the Nature of Evil:
  "The darkness lies in the heart of man ... if you want to see evil, look at what's actually happening ... but there is positive and negative in the universe, and we have to choose where we want to align our energies." — John Edward [49:32]

• On Inclusion in Mediumship:
  "Ultimately, it's not about the medium. It is about the client. ... My job should be to get you to recognize that you don't need me." — John Edward [25:10]

• On Faith vs. Religion:
  "Faith is free. Religion people pay for." — John Edward [34:12]

• Lighthearted:
  "It's like playing Pictionary spirits or charades with the afterlife … sometimes they're probably like: dude, just say the blue hat!" — John Edward [22:32]

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Timestamps for Important Segments

• Opening banter/introduction – [03:15]–[04:45]
• John Edward’s childhood & first psychic experiences – [05:55]–[08:29]
• The difference between dreams and spiritual visits – [11:10]–[11:47]
• On what spirits feel and how they connect – [13:03]–[14:45]
• Mediumship practice and receiving messages – [16:01]–[17:29], [21:44]–[24:24]
• Inherited psychic ability and religion – [27:50]–[34:12]
• Is it a gift or a muscle everyone has? – [41:16]–[42:49]
• Mediumship and police/FBI work – [42:49]–[49:04]
• Evil, trauma, and afterlife reckoning – [49:26]–[54:53]
• Concluding reflections & tease for next episode – [54:53]–[55:13]

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Overall Tone

The conversation is honest, curious, and welcoming, with the hosts’ characteristic warmth and humor. John Edward is forthright and approachable, candidly discussing skepticism, mistakes, and the ultimate purpose of his work: fostering healing, connection, and understanding.

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Summary for Non-Listeners

If you’re curious about the intersection of family life, psychic ability, spiritual seeking, and healing, this episode provides an engaging, down-to-earth window into those topics. The Hudsons’ family legacy of curiosity and openness blends seamlessly with John Edward’s lived expertise and humility. Key takeaways include the accessibility of spiritual experience to all, the complex interplay of faith and skepticism, and a compassionate approach to both grief and life’s mysteries. The dialog points toward a follow-up episode focused on John’s new book, Chasing Evil—so stay tuned for even deeper revelations!

Transcript

[John Edward]

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[John Edward]

Couple of years ago.

[Oliver Hudson]

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[Kate Hudson]

We wanted to do something that highlighted.

[Oliver Hudson]

Our relationship and what it's like to be siblings. We are.

[John Edward]

A sibling rivalry.

[Kate Hudson]

No, no.

[John Edward]

Sibling rivalry.

[Kate Hudson]

Don't do that with your mouth.

[Oliver Hudson]

Sibling revelry.

[Goldie Hawn]

That's good.

[John Edward]

Hello. Hey. Quiet.

[Oliver Hudson]

I'm trying to do an intro.

[Goldie Hawn]

Hi, honey.

[Oliver Hudson]

No, Mom.

[Goldie Hawn]

Hi, Mommy.

[John Edward]

Everyone. Hi.

[Oliver Hudson]

Everyone be quiet. I'm trying to do an intro.

[Kate Hudson]

Okay, I'm sorry.

[Oliver Hudson]

What I was going to say before anyone spoke was that we have John Edward here, who is a world renowned medium and he was. We're lucky enough to be graced in his presence. Kate. Here's what I was going to say. Kate couldn't be here because she's working. And then I was gonna say, but we have another incredible human being here who happen to give birth to myself. Her name is Goldie Hawn, better known as my mother, who is here as well.

[Goldie Hawn]

Proud to be.

[Oliver Hudson]

Right.

[Kate Hudson]

She's also my mother and gave birth to me.

[Oliver Hudson]

But in this scenario, you weren't here yet, so. Oh, right, right. Remember that?

[Goldie Hawn]

When did you ever stick to a script, is what I want to know?

[Oliver Hudson]

Never. I stick to ideas and then the ideas go left and right.

[John Edward]

I'm feeling the revelry. I'm feeling it.

[Oliver Hudson]

You're feeling the revelry?

[John Edward]

Yes.

[Oliver Hudson]

But, you know, look, we have grown up with the psychics and mediums. Mom has been extremely involved in this. Then, of course, myself and my sister are as well. I've consulted oracles of, you know, should I do this job or not? I'm like, mom, call somebody. I don't know if I should do this gig or not. You know, Mom's like, okay, hold on. Speed dial, speed dial, speed dial.

[John Edward]

I've got speed dial.

[Oliver Hudson]

So I wanted to bring Mommy in, too, to have this experience with John because she's excited of John for a long, long time.

[Goldie Hawn]

I mean, really, really happy to meet you, John. And I'm excited. And all the amazing work that you have done over these years and literally, you know, brought in with a gift and how you've used it is extraordinary. So you've helped a lot of people. And I know that when you were born and you were a little boy and you were having all of these visions and things, I mean, looking at it as a kind of a game for you, you know, little did you know at that time the impression that you're going to have on so many people. So, anyway, it's a pleasure.

[John Edward]

Thank you.

[Oliver Hudson]

Yeah, let's start there. Where did you grow up?

[John Edward]

I grew up on Long Island. Small town called Glen Cove. My dad, Irish American, New York City police officer. Career military guy.

[Oliver Hudson]

Wow.

[John Edward]

Mom very Italian. One of eleven. My grandmother was very into this subject matter. So therefore her children were open to the subject matter. My dad was not. So there was a polar opposite of belief. And my dad's rule was, make sure my son is never around any of that bs. And my mom made sure that I was kept away from it. They wound up divorcing. We moved into my grandmother's house, which I always jokingly refer to as the paranormal hub of activity. But I had adopted my dad's philosophy that this wasn't real. So I used to make fun of all the people that came to my grandmother's house to do readings. Until I met one woman who read for me. And she was the woman who put me on my path. And I was 15, and she told me that I would change the way millions of people looked at her subject matter. And I wanna emphasize again, I was 15, and she sounded like she was batshit crazy. And I was like, okay, this woman is delusional. But everything she told me happened. And she told me things that there's no way possible she could have like. I would have had to tell her these things, and then she would have had to know the people that I was connected to. And then she gave me scenarios and outcomes that were not logical, and then they happened. And that got my attention. And I say very openly that I didn't go, oh, my God. She told me that I was psychic. I'm going to go do readings. I actually felt violated. I felt like this woman walked around my life. I didn't like it. And I wanted to know, well, if people can do this, like, if this, like, is real, how do I stop? How do I stop other people from, like, doing, like, what if people can just, like, do that? And that sent me to the public library where I read every book in 1985 that was on the shelf at that time. It was under the occult section. And at that moment, I was like, well, this is not psychic. This is common sense. Like, we all have these moments of, like, seeing your dead grandfather. And I would ask people, like, at school, haven't you ever seen a dead grandfather? And the responses were, normally, no. Like, you've never ever just hypothetically got a glimpse of somebody in your family that was dead? And they were like, can't say that I had. So I kind of realized that, okay, so maybe some of my earlier experiences had to be reframed. And that became a journey of, like, analyzing what I experienced, what I see, hear, and feel, how do I perceive things? And then I just dove headfirst. And within a year, I was doing readings at 16. Yeah. Wow.

[Oliver Hudson]

So, wait, going back just a little bit, when you're growing up in such a polarizing family, where you have the Irish cop and the Italian mom, which is just so amazing, by the way. I mean, there's like a sitcom there, I think.

[Goldie Hawn]

Yeah, I know.

[Oliver Hudson]

But the. It was almost like you strangely had the best of both worlds in that you had this ability. But there was also skepticism, in a way, from you.

[John Edward]

They were the catalyst of how I viewed the subject matter. Because I think that inherently I'm an analytical, logical person. I like information. And I was the kid that was thrown out of religious instructions at least three times because I asked questions that were deemed inappropriate and at one point, blasphemous. And I say this openly. I wasn't trying to be a disruptive kid. Things just didn't make sense. Like, when people would say things, I'd be like, but wait, but how come? And why? And I was taught, well, you're not supposed to question that. You're supposed to just believe that. You're just supposed to know that, and that's what we believe. And I was like, yeah, well, that's not working for me. Like, because the one on one is not adding up to be five for me. Like, I know it to be two. So where are the other three that you're getting five from? And people couldn't. Couldn't, like, address those things. So there were those moments. And I think what I always want people to be is a seeker. Because if we're being a seeker, that leads to us exploring, and if we have exploration, that can lead to discovery. Once you have discovery, that raises your awareness. And once your awareness is raised to something now you can put that into action. That's been my life. And it's always like, oh, I want to learn more, I want to know more. And I Am inquisitive by nature as well. So you put all this together, and I became almost insatiable with information. I was like, I want to learn more about astrology. I want to learn about numerology. I want to learn about psychometry. All of these things that were like tools of divination. Not to predict, but to kind of learn how we can live a better life.

[Goldie Hawn]

So interesting, because I have the question. And wonderful. How. What is going on? What is going on in your mind? What happens when you're seeing things and you don't know why? And I think, having had some myself. Excuse me. I'm looking at that, and I am so curious about that very thing. What is happening? Why is it then when you go to sleep and you have a dream about your father who's long gone, and he's telling you everything's gonna be okay, and you're sitting on a mountaintop and it feels so real, and then you wake up the next morning and you feel like you've been blessed. What is that?

[John Edward]

That's a visit.

[Goldie Hawn]

What?

[John Edward]

That's a visit.

[Goldie Hawn]

It's a visit.

[John Edward]

That's a visit. That's a difference. There's a difference between a visit and a dream. Dreams fade. And dreams are this, like, amalgamation of what, like, kind of comes together in our unconscious mind with, like, life and fears and thoughts and. But a visit is where they're coming through directly to you, and they're going to let you know that it's them. And it's usually positive and very vivid. They sometimes look vibrant or young. And there could be little nuggets of information about your future to validate that it was really them. But when you wake up, you won't forget it. You could have had it 50 years ago.

[Goldie Hawn]

Exactly.

[John Edward]

And you're gonna remember it like it was five minutes ago because it was an encounter. It was a real meeting.

[Goldie Hawn]

So I guess the other question is. Cause speaking to the other side and having that experience and being correct about the things that, particularly the people from the over, you know, the other side are saying to me. And it cannot be disputed, period. You often wonder, how did that person know that or the channel? And. But my other, bigger question is that I'm filled with so much love when I'm talking to someone on the other side from a facilitator like that. What are they feeling? Do they have emotions? Where are these entities? What do they feel like? Because when Daddy says to me, you know, make sure you. You know, put away the butter, you know, that was something he Always told me, no one knows that, but what did Daddy feel, you know, when. When my mom came to me and said things to me about the laughs we had and so forth in the car? My point is, I would like to know that they're in some form that is real. So when you're doing this and you see the people, you hear them, they're speaking to you, you're sharing, what do you think they're feeling?

[Oliver Hudson]

Well, I guess the idea is consciousness. Like, what is consciousness? When we die, does our consciousness die?

[John Edward]

So I think that they're more real than we are. I think the vibration and the frequency that they operate on is a more real dimension of the essence of who we truly are. And that here in the physical form, we're lowering our vibration and we're now playing a role. Right. You guys are amazing actors, and you've been in so many different things, but at the core, you're you. But you played roles. You're not the roles you played. However, each role you played contributes to who you are in your body of work. So if our soul is the, you know, the actor and the lifetimes that we've been in are the roles, we're an amalgamation of all of that. And then that tapestry we've all been a part of, you have been probably in multiple lives and multiple incarnations. And now that just reinforces what your relationship dynamic is. And that's love. Right? The pure essence of who they feel like is coming from a place of love, and that's what they want to convey. So I always want people to know that they're okay, we're not. They're doing all right, and they're still with us. And when they come through, they're going to come through with like regular, everyday, trivial, mundane things, things that are not groundbreaking or earth shattering, but stuff to say, hey, I know that you did that. And by the way, I was with you when you did that.

[Goldie Hawn]

Exactly. I mean, I don't want to go into stuff in my life, but truly it's what it is. But I wanted to say and have. Thank you so much for being here. I miss you so much and so forth. But these are very human sort of longings and emotion.

[John Edward]

They don't have that. Now. That's a. That's a really.

[Goldie Hawn]

That's what I wanted to get at.

[John Edward]

That is really important. Many people will say, well, do they miss me? And I have to be honest, to be like, not really.

[Goldie Hawn]

Yeah.

[John Edward]

And they go, well, what do you mean they don't miss me? And I'm like, well, they still have us. We miss what we don't have physically, but they're still participants in our lives. So they don't miss it because they're with us. They're still connected. And I always want people to include them. Like, people include them in the negative times, but they don't always include them in the positive times. So I'm like, always be 50% of the equation when it's a, you know, a boring day. It's like, on my Instagram feed one day, I was like, you know what? There's nothing going on. My mom's passed. Like, there's no birthdays. There's no anniversaries. I posted a photo of her and me when I was a little boy. And I just put it up as a. As a post just to honor my mom. And I thought about it after the fact, and I was like, you know, she's probably like in the other side going, look, look, look. My son just posted something on Earth, a gram, you know, look, look. And there's. There's no. There's no reason for me to have done it, but just to include her and honor her in a way that I was feeling it.

[Goldie Hawn]

Yes, because we're human and we have these emotions, but when you talk about they, which is, I guess, a conglomerate of energies, I suppose, over the years.

[John Edward]

I think we have different they's too, right? So we have the they that we're related to in the physical world, right, that become our family, that we're connecting with. And then we have the they that are our teachers. Because I believe that we all have a spirit team, like spirit guides that are here to guide us and help us and give us insights. And I think it's important to plug into them as well. So if I'm doing a reading for someone and I feel like the information's coming from above me. So imagine you're in the shower, right? And the water's coming from above the shower head, and it's coming this way, and that's coming from my guides. I trust that. I've been working them forever. If I'm reading for you and I'm connecting with somebody that is your family, that information comes from around you. It feels different to me. So I can tell where the information is coming from. But ultimately, to go back to the original question of how does it come through? Whatever I see, hear, and feel, and it's very cryptic, and it's kind of like sign language, so it's not a open conversation. There's no physical body. They can't make sound. Right. So it's got to be an energetic form of communication. So they download information, and then the individual who's receiving it, whether it's me or you, you're going to receive it in your frame of reference. Which is why I'll always tell people, I don't think anybody should read dream books unless you wrote it because you're dreaming in your own symbolism and you have to figure out what your dream means for you. So if we were both going to get a message from somebody in this room and they showed you an apple, and they showed you an apple, and they showed me an apple, we're probably gonna have three different definitions of what that apple means to us.

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[Oliver Hudson]

Did you have to learn that language or was it all did it come to you immediately I got a lot.

[John Edward]

Through movies and tv, believe it or not. Really? Yeah. A lot of my symbolism would come through movies and tv. I would see scenes of things and I'd be like, well, that scene reminds me of this. And then I would say that. And then they'd be like, yeah, it's exactly what happened.

[Oliver Hudson]

And I was like, okay, that's interesting. Were you a movie guy, a TV guy, growing up?

[John Edward]

Well, I used to manage a video store, so let's just say that it came in really handy. Wow.

[Oliver Hudson]

So do you think, though, that these entities sort of use this part of who you are to communicate meaning?

[John Edward]

Do I think that they. I feel like not to date myself, but I feel like my brain is like the Dewey Decimal System. Right. It's kind of like. Like the Dewey Decimal System. Like, you know, it's like, how do you go through for the young people? That would be Google. But it's like you would kind of like, look to see where. How do I get him to say that?

[Oliver Hudson]

Yeah.

[John Edward]

Show them this. You know, it's like playing Pictionary spirits or charades with the afterlife. Yeah. And then I'm sure there's a lot of times where they must be like, dude, like, it's just a. It's just a blue hat. Just say the blue hat. Right. Like, what are you going for the team for? Right. Just say the blue hat.

[Oliver Hudson]

Yeah.

[John Edward]

One time I did a reading for a woman and her husband passed and her husband was coming through and throughout the entire reading. So, you know, like, when you're watching a television, they have a little logo of the network that you're watching. So the entire time I'm reading for her, I'm seeing, like, a bell. But I don't say that. Oh, no. I start talking about Philadelphia because I thought Liberty Bell. And she goes, I have any ties to Philadelphia? I'm like, what about, like, colonial America? Do you have any type of, like, I take this woman down a rabbit hole of, like, flag making Betsy Ross, Franklin's Frank.

[Oliver Hudson]

And finally, what about Taco Bell? To the point that the woman literally.

[John Edward]

Says to me, are you sure that's my husband? And I went, Now 99% of this information is all validated. I just can't figure this out. So I go, ma', am, because I can't figure out what this bell means, you're going to, like, disregard everything else. She had such a reaction to the bell part, like a physical and emotional reaction. I was like, oh, what does the bell mean? When she composed herself, she said, my husband's on a business trip. When he came back, we had a great weekend. Monday morning came, and he was getting ready to go to work. He opened up his attache case, briefcase. He had brought her back a bell from his last business trip. He went to her night table and said, honey, if you ever need me, just ring this and I'll come running. Left it on the night table. Left and got into a car accident and died. It was the last thing that he said to her. Where did I go? Philadelphia. Yeah.

[Oliver Hudson]

You went to Philly making flags.

[John Edward]

Yeah. Talking about Dolly Madison ice cream. Like, you name it. And this poor man was probably like, dude, yeah. What are you just saying? Just say bell. So I've learned. I've learned over the years. I'm going to say everything I'm seeing, hearing, and feeling, I'm going to interpret it as to what it means for me. And then I'm going to acknowledge the fact that I could be wrong. Right. And. And I think that's what my style of teaching about the subject matter has been. And that's because at 15, 16, when I came into this work and I met people who were doing this that were 40 and 50 and 60 years old, and they had years doing it, they kind of made me feel like they were here and I was here, and they were unapproachable, like, and, like, untouchable. And I was like, you know what? I don't like the way they read. I don't like the fact that they're making it seem like we know all and the client can't be a part of this. And I made a decision that I was going to be inclusive and teach about what I was experiencing, because ultimately, it's not about the medium. It is about the client. And if it's about the client, then my job should be to get you to recognize that you don't need me. Nobody needs the medium. What they need is an understanding and the philosophy that they can make these connections. And all the medium should be doing is validating what we believe already to be true.

[Oliver Hudson]

Amazing. Kate, you there?

[Kate Hudson]

Yes, I'm here. And I have. I've been, like, biting my teeth.

[Oliver Hudson]

I want you to come in. I know it's hard to break in when you're, you know, getting glam done, but why don't you?

[Kate Hudson]

Yeah, well, I have so many questions, but I. You know, I experience a lot of psych, like, a lot of this.

[John Edward]

Kate, do you remember meeting me on the Zoom?

[Kate Hudson]

Yes.

[John Edward]

Okay. So that was a really pivotal night for me because that was at the beginning of the COVID pandemic, and you guys were all having that, like, cool group FaceTime Zoomie thing that was happening every night, and folks were bringing, like, show and tell people to the groups. And Kim Kardashian was like, hey, would you come do this? And I said, I don't know if I could do that, but I'll try. And you were amazing. That was an amazing night. So thank you for being so gracious and helping to make me feel comfortable. Because you. You definitely did. Because I was a little blown away by the amount of people that were on that and the caliber of people.

[Oliver Hudson]

That were on that.

[John Edward]

Yeah, I was like, you know, I don't really have a poker face, so I was like, I was looking at the screens and I was like, you.

[Kate Hudson]

Know, it was an interesting group.

[John Edward]

Yes.

[Kate Hudson]

But I guess I wonder, like, I wonder about how you hear. I have. I have experiences where I hear dialogue.

[John Edward]

Okay. And.

[Kate Hudson]

And I wonder if you, like, I know everybody has a different way of accessing, but do you ever actually, like, does it download as dialogue ever for you?

[John Edward]

So it downloads as thoughts. So you're saying dialogue. I'm going to say thoughts. So I'll have these thoughts that kind of come in my head, and then I will go to the analytical part of it to try to figure out, like, okay, what does that mean? Where am I getting this from? How do I say this? So whatever I see here and feel and for the people that are listening, when you guys, if you. If you ever read something and then you had to go back and reread something because you had another thought that came in and you were like, exactly. But that's a reading, right? That's what a reading feels like. I'm focusing on one thing, and then I'm paying attention to the other part of that which comes in. So when you.

[Kate Hudson]

Do you think it's inherited?

[John Edward]

Yes, it's definitely inherited.

[Oliver Hudson]

You do?

[John Edward]

It's absolutely inherited.

[Kate Hudson]

And Italian, your Italian side, I mean, I mean, I'm wondering, like, if Italians seem to have quite a history of psychic and.

[John Edward]

Well, there's a lot of superstition that goes on that side of the family. You know, when you got to talk about the maloika and who overlooked you and the bad energy and what do you do to get rid of it? And prayer. And when your grandmother has a, you know, a nightstand, a night table that a bureau that's got better saints than the church. You know, you grow up with this, like, faith based, superstitious. Anything's possible. Yes. Your grandfather was sitting at the dining room table. That's who you saw. Kind of vibe.

[Oliver Hudson]

Wow.

[John Edward]

Right.

[Oliver Hudson]

How did you square. Or how did. Both questions. How did your grant. How did your mother square Catholicism?

[John Edward]

And so my mom was not a churchgoer.

[Oliver Hudson]

She was not?

[John Edward]

No. She was the. You have to go to church. And I'd be like, well, why do I have to go to church? You're not going to church. And then I got the do as I say, not as I do speech.

[Oliver Hudson]

Yeah.

[John Edward]

So my grandmother dragged me to church pretty much every day until I went to first grade.

[Oliver Hudson]

On your dad's side?

[John Edward]

My mom's side.

[Oliver Hudson]

Your mom's side.

[John Edward]

Yeah.

[Oliver Hudson]

So your mom was not a churchgoer.

[John Edward]

Not a churchgoer, no.

[Oliver Hudson]

And your dad was Catholic.

[John Edward]

Yep.

[Oliver Hudson]

And so how did that work with.

[Goldie Hawn]

Sort of what you're very vested and, you know, the. If you want to call it psychic phenomenon and so forth. So probably that's something that the church would look a little bit down, what.

[Oliver Hudson]

I'm saying, like, how do you. How would they square religion? And sort of.

[John Edward]

When my mom and dad divorced, I remember we were at a family wedding or something, and my mom sat in the back row of the church away from everybody else in the family. And my mom was a little bit of a, you know, she was a moody cancerian. I'll leave it at that. So I thought she was making a choice to sit back there. And then I said, come sit with us. And she was like, no. And then after the fact, I said, why wouldn't you come sit with us? And she said, well, because I'm a divorced woman, I'm basically excommunicated as a Catholic. And I was like, would you get a letter from Rome? I'm like, come sit with your family. And she said, no, no, no. So I grew up in the family that was. If you missed mass and didn't go to confession, you couldn't say an act of contrition and receive. It was like, no, no, you have to go to confession type of thing. So even though she didn't really go, she still believed in what the rules were. And therefore I thought that because of what I did then, I too was sitting in the back view of the church. And then on one day, I got an appointment where at 2 o', clock, my appointment said, frances. And when I opened the door, there was a nun there, and it was Sister Francesca. And I said, can I help you? And she said, are you John? And I said, I am. She goes, I'm your two O'. Clock. And I went, oh, okay, come on in. And my grandmother, now super Catholic, is like, a nun is coming to see my grandson, right? Like, the house has been anointed. And I bring her upstairs, and she goes into the room that I'm gonna read in. And I said, I'll be right with you. And then I went into the other room, and I called my girlfriend, which is now my wife, and I was like, sandra, there's a nun here. And she's like, why? I went for a reading. And she goes, then why are you calling me? You go, because, like, I'm distracted. She's like, why are you distracted? Is she topless? I was like, sandra. I'm like. She's like, full on in her nun habit and whatever. Yeah. She's like, sean, I am working. She's like, go, read the Nun. Yeah. So I compose myself, I go back.

[Oliver Hudson]

In the room, title your next book.

[John Edward]

I sit there, read the. Read the Nun. I sit there, and I was like, I do the reading for her. And at the end, she said, do you know why I'm here? I said, well, I was assuming you wanted to hear from your family. And she said, no, I was here to have you arrested. And I was like, excuse me.

[Goldie Hawn]

What?

[John Edward]

She goes, yeah. She goes, I run a grief group. She goes, and all my grief patrons that come to the group are sharing your name. And one by one, they were all coming to you. She said, I needed to make sure that you were legitimate. And I was like, and how's the rest of my day looking? And she goes, it looks amazing. She goes, and it's clear God gave you a beautiful ability. And I'm very pleased that you'll be helping me with my grief group. And I said, I will. And she said, yes, you will, and it will be for free. And for years after that, I would do groups at the convent in the basement. When she led her grief group, oh.

[Goldie Hawn]

My gosh, what a great story.

[Oliver Hudson]

Wow.

[John Edward]

On the same day, the exact same day, my last client hears me telling the story and says to me, I think I should tell you something. And I said, no, no, no. I need to have a clean, blank slate. When I read somebody, I don't like any information. I don't want any bias, right? And to be really honest, I was really hungry because I don't eat when I'm gonna read. So I just wanted to now get through this last reading so I can go eat. And I sit down with him, and I said, I have your dad here. And he goes, you Do. And I went, I do. He goes, I'm going to need to use your phone. And I said, why? He goes, because I just had dinner with him and if he's dead now, oh, my mom must be very upset. And I looked at him, I was like, oh, this kind of snark is not going to work for me when I'm hungry. So I said, well, if it's not your dad, then I have your father in law. He goes, I can assure you you do not have my father in law. And I go, why'd you have dinner with him, too? And he goes, no, I'm not married, I'm. And when he said, I'm all of a sudden, like his clothing all went black in my mind and I saw the collar and I went, oh, my God, you were a priest. He goes, that's what I wanted to tell you. I heard you tell the other story. So I read for him and at the end of the reading, he told me the same thing. He said that same thing. His patrons, his, you know, come. The church people were coming to see him come to see me, and he wanted to make sure that I was legit. And then I looked at him and I went, why today? Like, why would, like, why would the universe send me a priest and a nun on the same day with the same purpose? And he like squarely hit me between the eyes. He goes, because you feel like you're an outcast and you don't have a place and you don't feel like you belong anymore. He goes, and I think we're here to let you know that you could still do what you do, you could still help people and you're allowed to have your faith in God. Wow.

[Goldie Hawn]

Yeah.

[John Edward]

And it was like I felt like the universe sent me, like not just a life preserver, but like a life raft to get into. So I guess I did feel that way. I did feel like an outcast. I did kind of believe that I was excommunicated. And that brought me to a place of like, you know what faith is? Free religion people pay for.

[Oliver Hudson]

Yeah, it's great.

[Goldie Hawn]

Oh, that's very interesting. I feel the same way.

[Oliver Hudson]

How old were you when this started to happen? When you started to feel these things?

[John Edward]

Fifteen was when I started.

[Oliver Hudson]

That's when it was. Not before what I had it before.

[John Edward]

But I just, you know.

[Oliver Hudson]

But what was that feeling when you were a younger kid?

[John Edward]

Astral project. I used to, like, have a lot of out of body experiences. I knew stuff about the family. I vividly remember sitting in the car with my mom. And I said, tell me the story again. When you were 13 and you were clamming at the beach and you cut your ankle. And she's like, yeah, that was like, blah, blah, blah. And she stopped and she went, why? Why are you asking me that? I never told you that. How do you know that? And I went, well, clearly you told me. She goes, no, I didn't tell you that. She goes, I know I didn't tell you that. I go, well, then somebody else had to say that. And she's like, no, only two other people know that. She goes, and none of them would have told you. I was like, well, then you clearly had to tell me. So I had a lot of those moments. I remember being in fourth grade. I got in trouble in fourth grade. We used to have 10 vocabulary words for spelling. And then they give you the extra credit word and the extra credit word, and I should just set it up that where I sat in the room, the teacher was diagonal all the way to the left, and I was like, all the way to the right, and the teacher gave us the words. And then the extra credit word in fourth grade was phlegm. And every kid spelled it F, L, E, m. And I spelled it correctly. So they asked my mom, who was the medical professional in the family, and she said, well, his aunt's a nurse, but they don't really see each other. Why? And she said, well, he spelled something correctly that he should not logically have been able to spell. So they called me into the room and they said, how did you know that? And I said, well, she wrote it on the board. The teacher said, no, I didn't. And my mom had a do not lie to me was her thing. So I'm like, oh, my God, she's going to think I lied to her. And I was like, yes, you did. And the teacher said, no, John, I did not. But I could tell you sitting here, I remember seeing it on her board. So she logically couldn't have gotten up from the desk, walked over and, like, put it on the board and went back. I wasn't thinking of that in fourth grade. I just remember going, she said phlegm. I looked up, there it was, and I wrote down what I saw. Yeah.

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[Goldie Hawn]

We opened today talking about curiosity, you know, and searching and seeking and trying to understand everything. And I get that. And this I think. And everyone really can feel the the question is, how did this happen? Why? Why do some people have this gift? Can this gift be nurtured? Number one, is it frightening to have this gift?

[John Edward]

What if it's not a gift? What if it's just a muscle? What if it's just an ability?

[Oliver Hudson]

That was going to be My next question is can. Can you? Because everyone has this.

[John Edward]

Everybody has it. And I think people have certain abilities that are better than Others, Yes. Right?

[Kate Hudson]

Yes.

[John Edward]

And I think the gift is when we recognize it. The gift is in the connection and the communication.

[Kate Hudson]

I really believe that everyone has the ability.

[John Edward]

I agree. And to different degrees, they have it.

[Kate Hudson]

Right, right.

[Goldie Hawn]

Does it diminish with age?

[John Edward]

No, it hasn't. Not for me. At least not yet. 40 years in. And somebody said to me not too long ago, would you like to see Crossing over in reruns? And I went, no. And they were like, why not?

[Oliver Hudson]

And I was like, I used to watch you all the time.

[John Edward]

I was like, nope, I would not like to see that in reruns. I said, I don't think it's a good representation of where I am today. I was like, back then, it was like, I got the information, I passed it on. The person said, yes. And now I feel like I'm able to go deeper and I'm able to look at the intersection of the client, me and the universe and try to figure out why am I supposed to be talking to them, what am I supposed to help them with? Like, what's the obstacle, blockage or lesson? And that was not something that I was able to do on tv.

[Goldie Hawn]

Giving yourself the honor of being a person that can do that, you have given your time for 25 years with an FBI agent.

[John Edward]

Yeah.

[Goldie Hawn]

This is a really interesting trans. I would say transition, evolution, if you would call it an evolved evolution, because it's also being not just someone who can read the other side or bring people in to make people feel better or learn, but you really are helping in a whole other way, which is answering questions that sometimes feel unanswerable, to actually serve the larger and the greater good. How does that feel?

[John Edward]

Overwhelming when you put it like that. To be honest, in the theme of my life, it's always been people trying to expose me. And that experience was no different. I did a lot of radio. I loved radio. Radio was live. Nobody knew what I looked like. I could just do my thing. They knew my name, you know, stood for.

[Goldie Hawn]

I know the feeling, you know what I'm saying?

[John Edward]

And I couldn't be accused of being edited because it's live radio, random callers calling in. So that was like my first love, that live interactivity. And I was on a New York City radio station pretty frequently. It was called the Scott and Todd Morning show on WPLJ in New York. And Agent Robert Hilland used to hear it and get really angry that they were putting me on because he thought it was not real and that it was a bit that they were doing. And he felt like it was not okay. So he took it upon himself to come to me, and he was gonna expose me like the nun, like the priest. Right. And he came under the guise of a very real case. It was a very real case that he brought to me, but he brought controlled items. So he set me up in our first meeting, and he laid out, like, nine evidence bags. But he had previously gone to four different women in his office and said, can you give me something of yours? I'll bring it back tomorrow. And he came, put the evidence bags in front of me. And the way he tells it is I took the four evidence bags that had nothing to do with the case and pushed them to the side and said, this has nothing to do with your case. Let's focus on this. And then I began giving him information about the missing woman that he came to me about. And this is where, for the people that are listening, just as a teaching moment, there's something called psychometry. And psychometry is where you can hold onto a person's object and you could read the energy of the person. A quick example of that is if anybody shows someone a photo of your family of your party of a vacation, and you say, describe this, they can accurately describe that photo by looking at the energy of it.

[Oliver Hudson]

Right.

[John Edward]

It's just energy. So never give a psychic a photo of someone who's passed or an object, because they could read the energy of it. And it sounds like they're connecting, but they're not. So I'm not connecting with the person who's missing. I'm connecting with the energy of the person to try to give information. And from that experience of working with him, I then wound up reading for him, and his family came through. So what happened to me in my first reading, I wound up doing to him, and he had to go to his family to find out what I was saying was accurate. And then that blew his mind. And then his very, very, very skeptical, investigative mind and personality said, can you help me on my cases? And I said, I don't know, but I'm intrigued. Let's try. And we were talking about this earlier. I didn't trust him, and he didn't trust me. So the two of us were doing this kind of, like, thing. He's doing his investigative thing. I'm doing my psychic thing. And neither one of us was sure about the other person's intentions. And that fostered the greatest trust, and we became like brothers over the last three decades. Wow. And there's a lot of cases that I Worked on with him. But I say this openly. I did not work for the FBI. This book has been vetted by the FBI. It took over nine months to get it approved. Wow. Yeah. Took over nine months and I solved nothing. He did. So just like when a client comes to me who's deeply grieving, I can't fix her helio grief. I can only do what I do in the hopes that they take that and do the work. Yeah. So there's no quick fixes for anybody that thinks like, go get a reading. Quick fix. Yeah. Not real.

[Oliver Hudson]

You know what's interesting about is he detective.

[John Edward]

He's an ex FBI agent.

[Oliver Hudson]

Right.

[John Edward]

Who was a cop. First.

[Oliver Hudson]

He was a cop. That's when he contacted you.

[John Edward]

Yeah, he was a cop. And then he became.

[Oliver Hudson]

The only reason why, in my. In my estimate estimation, the only reason he contacted you is because he was half a believer. Because there's no world where you would say, oh, I'll bring this random dude in because I want to prove that he's wrong. I think in the back of his mind was like, he could. I. I think I believe this, and I think he can help me.

[John Edward]

I think he was like 95 non believer when I first met him. And 5% hopeful. Hopeful, just maybe.

[Oliver Hudson]

Because why would he bring you in otherwise?

[John Edward]

There was no leads on the case because. Yeah, he wouldn't go. He. He says this openly. He goes, I would never go to. I would never go to John on stuff where we had leads. Right. He goes, I would go to John when there were no leads. Yeah.

[Goldie Hawn]

Yeah. When people are so defensive and so clear against something, it's almost like they wish they weren't. Meaning that they're so curious. They. They'll. It's like they'll protest too much that Shakespeare wrote.

[John Edward]

And what's amazing with him is his journey in the 25 years from when I first met him to who he is today. Just that story in the book, the transformation that he goes through is kind of like a wow. And I want people to be reflective of how are you chasing evil in your life and what are you supposed to learn from kind of exploring the dark corners? Right. Because that exploration for him and going on that journey, there's a lot of loss. And the amount of people that are out there doing this kind of work, meaning not the psychic work, but like the protection of people work, the fighting for victims and their rights and their memories. They don't have names and faces, but they're out there doing it. And I kind of feel like this is A great validation of those people. I kind of feel honored to have been watching from the sidelines this process.

[Oliver Hudson]

Yeah, I want to get into the book, but first I want to. There's a few other questions I have just about. You mentioned something a while back with these entities. Is that what you call them, energies that essentially. Are we born pure love? Meaning, is every energy that exists pure love?

[John Edward]

I'm gonna say yes.

[Oliver Hudson]

So does that mean there is no dark energy?

[John Edward]

No, I think that the darkness lies in the heart of man. You know, like, do I believe in positive and negative? I do. Do I believe there's evil? I do, but I'm less concerned about the evil in spirit because I haven't encountered that. I'm more concerned about the evil in the human experience because that does some serious damage. So, like, I was on TikTok Live and I was doing, like, you know, some live stuff promoting this book. And, you know, people were coming up saying, oh, dark forces, negative energies, you know, demons, and all that kind of stuff. And I'm like, have you turned on the news? Like, have you looked at what's actually happening? I go, if you want to see evil, like, you could see that very, very clearly. But folks like to kind of suppress that and then point fingers at other things. And I think that there is positive, negative in the universe, and we have to choose where we want to align our energies.

[Oliver Hudson]

But what about. Let's just say from a hypothetical, Jeffrey Dahmer dies, Hitler dies.

[John Edward]

Right.

[Oliver Hudson]

What happens to their energy?

[John Edward]

I can only tell you based on theory because I haven't connected with them.

[Oliver Hudson]

Of course.

[John Edward]

Right. So based upon lighter versions of that. Yeah. Like dark energies that have done negative things. Yeah. Those energies are not that any longer, but they have to carry the weight of what it was that they did. So we don't escape anything. Right. And I. I believe that the judicial. The judicial system of our world pales in comparison to the universal judicial judicial system, because we can't escape anything universal. It's always got to be balanced. Like the. The universe is always going to balance out the equation. So if people do negative things, they have to sit in understanding of what that was and what was the ripple.

[Oliver Hudson]

Effect when you do readings and you have family members come in who made. May have been an abusive father, abusive grandfather, molestation. It's happened all the time. How do you. How do you deal with that when you are giving a reading? And do they come in with that same. Withdraw that same dark energy, the same anger? They don't.

[John Edward]

They don't they come through with. And they come through with an understanding of who they were and what they did. It's a very. It's a very interesting session when that happens because the person who's sitting in front of me is now forced to confront the reality of the experience and then has to recognize hopefully that on a timeline, when you look from the moment of that person's passing back, nothing changes. That's history that happened, it's the past. You can't change that. It's a catalyst that makes you who you are. But now it's the choice of that person's gone. They're not here. They can't hurt you anymore. They can't do that thing to you. They want you to release that not for them, but for the person who's here. And that is usually something where the person has to work with their counselor or therapist. That is not me.

[Oliver Hudson]

But I would imagine there is some catharsis in that.

[John Edward]

Huge, you know, huge catharsis.

[Oliver Hudson]

Right.

[John Edward]

If they're willing to go there. I've had people shut it down.

[Oliver Hudson]

Oh, really?

[John Edward]

Can't shut it down.

[Oliver Hudson]

Don't want to.

[Goldie Hawn]

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[John Edward]

A reflection.

[Goldie Hawn]

It's an example of what you're saying that it was an awareness of somehow. But, you know, interesting. Pure love. Pure. Where that soup is that incredible area of creation that where nothing is formed but everything comes from. Where basically matter comes from and everything. And in that soup, I feel like it's just. This is just me. But I feel that it's pure love. And when I say love, it's not the word, it's the feeling.

[John Edward]

Well, when you look at people who have had near death experiences, there's a collective word that I've noticed they all use. And the collective word that they use is what they felt when they were there. And it's usually the word bliss. We talk about the word bliss. Nobody ever says, hey, how are you doing today? I'm blissful. Right. It's just not an.

[Goldie Hawn]

I know.

[Oliver Hudson]

I might start you.

[John Edward]

It's not an earth word. Right? People don't say I'm blissful. So I've recognized. Recognized that there were earth words and then there were other side words, afterlife words. So are they happy? No, no, they're blissful. You know, we're looking for measuring happiness here. Or do they have remorse or regret? No, that's an earth word. They have understanding, which is bigger and deeper at a level that sometimes I feel like we can't comprehend. And the same thing, like we have love in the way that we experience love and then there's love that it feels like when they're coming through, which is what you're describing in that soup. It's like this bright source of. Of connection and energy.

[Oliver Hudson]

John, this is. It's too good. It's too good. So there's. There's so much more to talk with you about.

[John Edward]

Okay.

[Oliver Hudson]

Including your new book, which is Chasing Evil, Shocking crime, supernatural forces, and an FBI agent search for hope and justice. There's so much to get into that we're going to do another. We're going to do a part two because you are that compelling. So we're going to get. We're going to get to it all in part two.

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