Wait! Did Kate Hudson and Ginnifer Goodwin Just Say SEQUEL??

Summary

Sibling Revelry with Kate Hudson & Oliver Hudson

Episode: "Wait! Did Kate Hudson and Ginnifer Goodwin Just Say SEQUEL??"
Date: November 24, 2025
Guest: Ginnifer Goodwin (with prominent guest Jenny Garth)

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Episode Overview

This episode of Sibling Revelry reunites co-stars Kate Hudson and Ginnifer Goodwin, joined by Jenny Garth, for a lively, heartwarming, and often hilarious conversation. The trio dives deep into themes of family and sibling bonds, revisits the enduring afterlife of their film "Something Borrowed," and offers candid windows into their lives as parents in-and-out of Hollywood. Animated anecdotes, honest reflections on show business, and even some accidental sequel plotting ("Something Borrowed 2"?) make this reunion a delight for fans and newcomers alike.

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Main Discussion Themes

1. A "Something Borrowed" Sequel?

• [03:23] Kate and Ginnifer reminisce about their roles in "Something Borrowed":
  • Kate shares, “Someone asked me on the carpet, what is the movie that you wish you could do a sequel to? And I was like, honestly, I really loved playing Darcy in 'Something Borrowed.' There was a book after that called 'Something Blue,' but we never got to do it.”
• Both reflect on the film’s surprising longevity and cult following despite not being a massive box-office hit.
  • “It kind of didn’t do what we hoped…, but then, of course, a lot of these movies have this different life.” (Ginnifer, [03:51])
• Discussion about whether a direct sequel, using "Something Blue," works now that the cast has aged out of those roles.
  • “I would not want to go back and do 'Something Blue' at this point… I remember the character spiraling about turning 30 and I am gonna be 50 soon.” (Jenny, [10:10])
  • Ginny jokes about “flashing back” to those stories with new actresses, suggesting their daughters could play them.

2. Parenting, Kids, and Showbiz

• [19:11] Parenting stories abound—with Kate, Jenny, and Ginny poking fun at their kids’ names and possible showbiz trajectories.
  • “They all do. Every single one of them [wants to be in showbiz].” (Kate, [19:14])
• Jenny relates her kids' ambitions: “My youngest… told me he wants to be a CFO and I had to look up what that was.” ([21:27])
• Candid exploration of parenting challenges, navigating kids’ wants and keeping them grounded in the face of Hollywood’s odd realities.
  • “This is all smoke and mirrors. It means nothing because there’s 9 billion people in the world that don’t give a.” (Kate quoting Kurt Russell’s tough love approach, [34:07])

3. Family Dynamics and Regional Identity

• Jenny discusses her upbringing in Memphis, Tennessee:
  • Losing her Southern accent through "dialect classes" ([12:24])
  • “I remember seeing videos of myself as a child—I can’t believe I’m the same human being.” (Jenny, [11:43])
• Sharing about their own sibling relationships:
  • “So my sister and I have always had sibling careers, which has been lovely… she had me cast in her first animated series.” (Jenny, [28:22])

4. Careers in Hollywood—Serendipity and Survival

• Stories of first jobs, tough breaks, and career-defining moments:
  • “My SAG card job was a Law & Order episode… I was a club girl.” (Jenny, [39:25])
  • On her big break: “I remember… they called me… They said, ‘You’re in the movie [Mona Lisa Smile],’ and I remember I fell over in Times Square.” ([43:07])
• Reflections on how the industry has changed:
  • “[The industry] is definitely contracting… even in the streamer world, it’s just shrinking, shrinking, shrinking.” (Kate, [47:32])
  • Importance of taking things in stride and recognizing good fortune.

5. Navigating Modern Parenting and Anxiety

• Honest recognition of the anxiety parents feel—amplified by today's risks:
  • “Having kids is really just about trying to keep another human alive. At all the different stages.” (Jenny, [53:22])
  • Discussing the strategies they use with their own kids—setting boundaries but also fostering independence.
  • “When you show faith in your kids… they don’t take it for granted.” (Ginny, [53:37])

6. Voiceover Work and Disney Dreams

• Jenny’s path to voice acting, particularly with Disney and the "Zootopia" franchise:
  • “I used to go into Disney and beg and say, wherever you can stick me, stick me there.” (Jenny, [58:19])
  • On booking "Zootopia": “They said Jason Bateman and I would be buddy cops, that I’d be a rabbit, he’d be a fox, and would I like to sign the contract.” ([59:58])
• Her joy: “I just feel like if I did this forever, I’d be really okay with it.” ([60:37])

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On the "Something Borrowed" sequel:
  • "We're kind of too old... I had a monologue in Something Borrowed, spiraling about turning 30, and I am gonna be 50 soon."
    – Jenny Garth ([10:10])
• On their children’s ambitions:
  • "My husband's now actually doing a lot of volunteering for the school and trying to get my kids... revved up about things like Spongebob the Musical. But right now, my youngest wants to be... the CFO of Disney."
    – Jenny Garth ([21:01])
• On industry changes:
  • "This business in the last, however, five years plus is definitely contracting. It's shrinking… they’re not even doing pilots anymore."
    – Kate Hudson ([47:32])
• On parenting realities:
  • "Having kids is really just about trying to keep another human alive... will there be a stage where I'm not worried about the keeping you alive?"
    – Jenny Garth ([53:22])
• On self-care during the pandemic:
  • "There was suddenly, like—well, I can't work. There was no new work… I found myself relaxing, which I know is so backwards, given what was going on in the world."
    – Jenny Garth ([48:16])
• On living your dreams:
  • "I just feel like if I just did this [Disney voice acting] forever I’d be really okay with it."
    – Jenny Garth ([60:37])

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• [03:23] — "Something Borrowed" sequel discussion kicks off.
• [08:33] — The unexpected ongoing popularity of "Something Borrowed."
• [10:10–10:40] — Aging out of a direct sequel and musings about a generational update.
• [19:11] — Parenting stories; Kate jokes about all her children wanting to be in showbiz.
• [21:27] — Jenny’s son aspires to be the CFO of Disney.
• [28:17] — Jenny describes her sibling relationship and their unique career intersections.
• [39:25] — Jenny’s first acting jobs and earning her SAG card.
• [43:07] — Landing "Mona Lisa Smile": "I fell over in Times Square."
• [47:32] — Changes in Hollywood and shrinking opportunities.
• [53:22] — Parenting is “just about trying to keep another human alive.”
• [58:19] — How Jenny became a Disney voice—and her love for the work.

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Tone & Style Highlights

• The chemistry between Kate, Ginny, and Jenny is warm, fast-paced, funny, and honest. The conversation is full of playful teasing, supportive encouragement, and self-aware humility about their place in film culture and parenting circles.
• The mood oscillates between heartfelt (discussing loss and big breaks), irreverent (poking fun at Hollywood or parenting gaffes), and deeply relatable (navigating self-doubt, ambition, and the desire to raise “good” humans).

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Conclusion

For listeners seeking an authentic peek behind the curtain at Hollywood friendships, parenting dilemmas, and creative careers—with a genuine shot at laugh-crying—this conversation between Kate Hudson, Ginnifer Goodwin, and Jenny Garth delivers. The episode revisits the legacy of beloved projects, explores familial love and sibling quirks, and offers sage, side-splitting advice for anyone juggling work, selfhood, and the unpredictable drama of raising kids—celebrity or no.

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Key Quote to Sum Up the Vibe:

"This is all smoke and mirrors. It means nothing because there’s 9 billion people in the world that don’t give a. So remember… it has nothing to do with you."
— Kate Hudson quoting Kurt Russell’s grounded advice ([34:07])

Transcript

[Jenny Garth]

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[Kate Hudson]

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[Ginny Goodwin]

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[Kate Hudson]

Hi, I'm Kate Hudson and my name is Oliver Hudson.

[Ginny Goodwin]

We wanted to do something that highlighted.

[Kate Hudson]

Our relationship and what it's like to be siblings. We are. A sibling rivalry.

[Ginny Goodwin]

No, no.

[Kate Hudson]

Sibling rivalry.

[Ginny Goodwin]

Don't do that with your mouth.

[Kate Hudson]

Sibling revelry.

[Jenny Garth]

That's good.

[Kate Hudson]

Hey, it's all around.

[Ginny Goodwin]

Oh, oh, oh, oh. I'm so excited.

[Kate Hudson]

Whoa, whoa, whoa.

[Ginny Goodwin]

Because we are interviewing you.

[Kate Hudson]

Calm down, girl.

[Ginny Goodwin]

You shut the. Up.

[Kate Hudson]

You calm down. If you're going to be excited, you have to warn me first.

[Ginny Goodwin]

Ginny Goodwin and I did a movie called Something Borrowed together. Someone asked me. Someone asked me on the carpet, what is the movie that you wish you could do a sequel to? And I was like, honestly, I really loved Playing Darcy and Something Borrowed. There was a net. There's a book after that called Something Blue, but we never got to do it. And that book is where Darcy ends up. She, you know, at the end of the movie, she's pregnant and then. And selling blue, like, it's a whole thing.

[Kate Hudson]

And.

[Ginny Goodwin]

And I was like, we had so much fun. Like, those characters were so fun. And then it's one of those movies that people always say to me, like, that they love that movie. So it kind of didn't do what we hoped it would have done. But then, of course, like, a lot of these movies had this sort of different life.

[Kate Hudson]

Yes, yes.

[Ginny Goodwin]

And so I'm excited to see Rachel. That's her character's name.

[Kate Hudson]

Rachel.

[Ginny Goodwin]

Rachel. Yeah, that's her character's name.

[Kate Hudson]

Insane.

[Ginny Goodwin]

Borrowed.

[Kate Hudson]

She talks like that.

[Ginny Goodwin]

No. I don't know why talking like this. I just.

[Kate Hudson]

What? The water rat.

[Ginny Goodwin]

Okay, let's bring her in.

[Kate Hudson]

I can't wait.

[Ginny Goodwin]

And now she's a mommy, and I can't wait to talk to her.

[Kate Hudson]

I call her Gigi. Oh, right.

[Ginny Goodwin]

Oh, look at her pie on her. Oh, Jenny is a. A pumpkin pie.

[Kate Hudson]

Pumpkin pie.

[Jenny Garth]

Hi. I have been for, like. Like, six years, and every time this happens, I'm like, I forgot to change the pie. No, don't ever change the. It is a treacle tart. If you ever want a treacle tart, I'll make you a treacle tart. It's basically like, lemon and syrup and breadcrumbs, and there's, like, nothing better. It's like a soupy pie that then you bake. It's no longer soupy, and it's just like.

[Kate Hudson]

Are you a baker?

[Jenny Garth]

I'm kind of a baker.

[Kate Hudson]

Well, did you know that I was on the Greatest British Bake off for the celebrity version?

[Jenny Garth]

What? Can we please have an. Like a. Like a viewer party and then have to explain what Was really going on behind the scenes. I am dying.

[Kate Hudson]

Yeah. I Bhopal Hollywood improve. I was, like, starstruck because I've seen every single episode.

[Jenny Garth]

And did you learn? Do you feel like you walked away?

[Ginny Goodwin]

No.

[Kate Hudson]

You know what I did? I just followed the recipe to a T because baking is science. So I was just like, I'm going to be precise. And that's pretty much all I did. You know, I, I added a little Hudson flair and threw some things in here. A little dash of this and a little sprinkle of. But for the most part, you know.

[Ginny Goodwin]

Listen, do not simplify baking.

[Jenny Garth]

We could spend the whole time talking about this. Wait, I haven't seen you in so long.

[Ginny Goodwin]

I know, I know. And I'm looking at your beautiful face, and you look exactly the same. And I love you.

[Jenny Garth]

And I've children.

[Ginny Goodwin]

Your mother.

[Jenny Garth]

Do you remember when I was, like, looking through your purse and you had boy toys in there, and I was like, oh, I want to have boy toys and my purse someday. Like cars and like a friend. I know. I was like, someday and now.

[Kate Hudson]

Exactly. And. And your kid has the greatest name.

[Jenny Garth]

The greatest.

[Kate Hudson]

It doesn't get better than that kid's name.

[Jenny Garth]

Do you go by the way? Oh, L, I for your nickname or Oli.

[Kate Hudson]

Oh, L, I E. Oh, nice. Yeah, but people spell differently. But he said he's going to be extremely handsome, extremely charming by. People are just gonna gravitate towards him. His career might be a little bit. Yeah, but, like, everything else is gonna be great.

[Ginny Goodwin]

That's the only Oliver. Like, Olivers are only like, mid. They're handsome, but, like, mid with career. I'm so happy for you. I, I, I, I watch you from a distance always. But wait, can we get back to making real quick before we get into your whole life story?

[Kate Hudson]

Yeah.

[Ginny Goodwin]

Oliver. Baking isn't just science. When you become a baker and you bake a lot, then you start to. You take the science and then you improve upon the flavors, the texture.

[Jenny Garth]

Is that what you meant by Hudson flair?

[Kate Hudson]

I don't think you know who the you're talking to right now.

[Ginny Goodwin]

Listen, listen.

[Kate Hudson]

I don't think you, I don't think you know, you're talking to. Once you see this show, you are going to retract everything you say.

[Jenny Garth]

Okay? Begged people to put me on the show. I'm like, here's the thing. I am excellent at embarrassing myself. I am really good at failing at things. And, like, I think that that could be entertaining. I think you should let something.

[Ginny Goodwin]

Fall.

[Jenny Garth]

On my face, and it Will be fun.

[Kate Hudson]

Yeah.

[Ginny Goodwin]

So much fun. I. When Oliver was doing it, I got so excited.

[Kate Hudson]

Oh, God, I was so excited. I couldn't believe I was in the tent. I'm like, oh, my gosh. I'm in the tent.

[Jenny Garth]

I pretend I'm in the tent and I buy the swag and it's in my kitchen.

[Kate Hudson]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I like hear the music.

[Jenny Garth]

Oh, that's my. That's actually my timer on my phone.

[Kate Hudson]

Is it really? Oh, my God.

[Ginny Goodwin]

So before also we get to this, Ginny and I met on Something Borrowed, which is a very talked about. I don't know if you have this experience, Ginny, but like, I. People talk to me about this, the movie all the time.

[Jenny Garth]

I get stopped for this movie all the time. And you remember they wanted to cut the dance scene. And people ask me about the dance scene constantly.

[Ginny Goodwin]

Oh, yeah.

[Jenny Garth]

My sons, like their girlfriends at school have been. They've been learning the dance.

[Ginny Goodwin]

Oh. Oh, yeah.

[Jenny Garth]

I've got a bunch of 12 year olds. I show up. I'm like the assistant librarian when I'm not doing other things. And I have shown up on campus and had the girls be like, hey, Mrs. Dallas, look. And they do our dance.

[Ginny Goodwin]

Oh, my God, that's the best. I feel like that dance has had a real great life. It's definitely like. But I can't believe, like, you know, the movie, when it came out, like, wasn't like this giant success, but then the.

[Jenny Garth]

The.

[Ginny Goodwin]

It's just had this afterlife. It's just wild and it's bonkers. Yeah. And I was saying to Ollie that I get asked about it on the carpet all the time. Like, you know, I was on the carpet not that long ago and they were like, what's the movie that you would want to do the sequel?

[Jenny Garth]

And I was like, well, I.

[Ginny Goodwin]

Something Borrowed, we never got to do the sequel. And it was like, you know that. That book, Something Blue, it was sort of like, would have been like the best circle for that movie. And we never got to do it.

[Jenny Garth]

But now I want her. I feel like she.

[Ginny Goodwin]

I would.

[Jenny Garth]

I would not want to go back and do something blue at this point.

[Ginny Goodwin]

I mean, we're kind of too old.

[Jenny Garth]

Well, exactly like I remember being. I remember the care. You know, I had a monologue in Something Borrowed spiraling about turning 30 and I'm like, I am gonna be 50 soon.

[Kate Hudson]

Yeah.

[Jenny Garth]

And so what I would like is for her to write another book where we are further along in life.

[Ginny Goodwin]

Wouldn't that be. And then we. And then we could Do. We could do, like. Like a flashback to something blue with other girls.

[Jenny Garth]

Yes. I love this. And then you and I can go hang out while they're filming. Exactly.

[Kate Hudson]

You're not quite there yet. But your daughters, you know, if you were old, be your daughters.

[Ginny Goodwin]

Yes.

[Jenny Garth]

Oh, that's cool.

[Ginny Goodwin]

You know, But Emily, look, she whips them out so she could always. I mean, she. She knows how to write those books.

[Jenny Garth]

I mean, every time I'm asked about this, impress, I'm like, well, if she'd like to write another one where you've got some ladies in their 40s, I mean, I'd be gay.

[Ginny Goodwin]

We're in.

[Jenny Garth]

We're in.

[Ginny Goodwin]

So, Jenny, you grew up in Memphis.

[Jenny Garth]

I did.

[Ginny Goodwin]

And I realized I started this in our intro, like, in doing, like, a Southern accent.

[Kate Hudson]

Oh, yeah. I don't know why. That's why.

[Ginny Goodwin]

That's why. And. But you lost your accent.

[Jenny Garth]

It was, like, beaten out of me. In theater schools, they were like, you cannot. Every character can have this accent. I was like, that tracks. That makes sense. I didn't say tracks yet. That's such a filmy term.

[Ginny Goodwin]

But does your whole family have hardcore, like, Tennessee accents?

[Jenny Garth]

I mean, it's hard as. I feel like I'm slipping into it. It's. It's actually, like. It's hard for me to hear it in them because it's just, like, how they sound. But I feel like anywhere I go, I can identify specifically, like, a southwestern Tennessee accent. Like, if there's. If I'm on a plane, I'll be like, southwest Tennessee. Like, I feel like there's a very specific vowels thing that we do, and so I can't hear it in other people, but, yeah. I mean, I've heard videos. I've seen videos of myself as a child, and I can't believe I'm the same human being.

[Kate Hudson]

That's crazy. Wait, did you consciously beat it out of yourself? Meaning? It's like, okay, I worked. You worked at it.

[Jenny Garth]

Yes. Like, lots of dialect classes.

[Kate Hudson]

Wow.

[Jenny Garth]

And sometimes things, like, slip through. Like, I definitely. Like, you can't say boots. Right.

[Kate Hudson]

But then it just becomes just by rote, it's just who you are or.

[Jenny Garth]

Yeah.

[Kate Hudson]

Do you still try to not do?

[Jenny Garth]

I think, like, I dream. I think I dream in, like, a. Not Southern accent now. Like, it's not part of me. Yeah. But then some words I hear. And especially doing voiceover work these days, I really hear things as they're coming out of my mouth, and I'm like, that's getting away from me. And that's too. That's not the right sound.

[Kate Hudson]

Isn't that so interesting? You essentially, you know, take a part of yourself and just. And just. It just disappears. Like, you just beat it down. Like it's no longer. You were this. Ginny was this person, and there's a piece of her that is no longer that person.

[Jenny Garth]

Because I did a movie set in Tennessee, like, I don't know, three, four years ago, and they brought in a dialect coach, and I was like, you know, I'm gonna take the. I'm gonna. I'm gonna go shopping. I'm gonna go eat lunch. And they were like, actually, you need more work. Wow. So getting. Getting the accent then right again was a whole process.

[Kate Hudson]

Wow, that's interesting.

[Ginny Goodwin]

Yeah, that's wild. I. I see it with kids. I. I've known a couple kids that. The States when they're young, and. And they like. My ex went back to London. His little daughter, she has a full English accent. Full, like, spe. You know, have you seen Daddy? You know, and then all. And then she's comes back here and it. Within four months, she has an American accent.

[Kate Hudson]

Wow.

[Ginny Goodwin]

Wild. Yeah. And so you realize, like, language is just learned, you know, it's like.

[Jenny Garth]

Yeah.

[Ginny Goodwin]

And then. And then you realize, like, some people have a stronger connection to it. Like, I can't do certain accents. It doesn't come easy to me. But Ryder, for some reason, can do any accent. Like.

[Kate Hudson]

Like, almost like it's a great ear.

[Ginny Goodwin]

Yeah. Like, I don't know what that is.

[Kate Hudson]

That.

[Jenny Garth]

And I'm surprised that you don't feel you do well, because also with your being musical, I feel like there's something about that that's got to be connected.

[Ginny Goodwin]

I can do certain accents, but. But, like, the Australian. Forget it. I'd have to, like, really work at it. Like, there's certain things I'd have to.

[Jenny Garth]

I just can say, like, Australian word. Like, I can't do them. I can't do them at all.

[Ginny Goodwin]

So when you grew up in Memphis, was the Peabody Hotel and the Duck something that you would do as a little girl, or is that just, like, a touristy thing?

[Jenny Garth]

No, no, no. It's still. It's still fabulous. And I have taken my kids to see it and. I mean, because we would also have, like, you'd have, like, dances there. And I mean, I am from. I am from the place in the time of, like, the Debutante ball something. So like, would have their parties there. I didn't have. But I. I was aware.

[Ginny Goodwin]

Explain how, like, where did you grow. Did you grow up in the city or were you outside of Memphis?

[Jenny Garth]

Oh, you say Memphis, so Right, by the way.

[Kate Hudson]

Oh, is there. Is there a way to say it?

[Jenny Garth]

Well, she said Memphis. It's almost like. It's like diphthong. It's like got two sounds in it.

[Kate Hudson]

Memphis, Memphis, Memphis. I'm going to Memphis. I'm going to Memphis, Tennessee.

[Jenny Garth]

I think you were local.

[Ginny Goodwin]

I'm actually going there soon because my director is from there for this movie coming out song Sung Blue. He's. He lives there, Craig Brewer. And we're doing it.

[Kate Hudson]

He does.

[Jenny Garth]

I've run into him for 400 years. I grew up in, I guess what you'd call the suburbs. But my. My family was very like Memphian in that I had two My grandma grandfathers on both sides were both. Well, one was an engineer and one was a developer. And so a lot of like, they. They contributed to the building up of Memphis in like the like early mid-1900s. And then my dad was in the music industry until I was. I mean, until I was like in middle school. And he had a. And he was a performer. And then he stopped performing when he decided that he wanted to be home with his family and he wanted to stop touring. And so he ended up opening a recording studio on Beale Street. So also, I feel like my youth was very like, I don't know, sort of idyllically Memphis.

[Kate Hudson]

And what about your mom?

[Jenny Garth]

My mom was. First she was a stay at home mom, and then she became a substitute teacher. And then she decided to like go to college and get her bachelor's and her master's and her doctorate and became an expert in technology and education. So if you need my mom to fish, I have to ask my mom or my children how to handle things.

[Ginny Goodwin]

So is she Dr. Goodwin? She is. That's such a good doctor name.

[Kate Hudson]

Oh, cool.

[Ginny Goodwin]

Dr. Goodwin is the best. That's like. That's like a character in a movie. I know, but it kind of sounds like it could be like a marvel. Like Dr. Goodwin.

[Kate Hudson]

Right? But she's bad.

[Ginny Goodwin]

Yeah, she's kind of. She's kind of evil. Yeah.

[Jenny Garth]

When you guys kids, did you go through. Is this. Or this is just like the dorkiest thing ever that I'm admitting. Did you go through and like, like make sure that your kids names sounded good with, like all the careers we.

[Ginny Goodwin]

I would do this thing where I would go, ladies and gentlemen, I go, ladies and gentlemen, yes. The recipient of the Booker Prize.

[Kate Hudson]

The Booker Prize, yeah.

[Ginny Goodwin]

Oh, yeah. Ronnie Rose Hudson. Fuji cow. I was like, okay, that works.

[Kate Hudson]

I mean, I guess that's a lot.

[Ginny Goodwin]

I was like. I was like, ladies and gentlemen, you know, the honorable. The honorable. I don't know.

[Kate Hudson]

The honorable Wilder Brooks Hudson.

[Ginny Goodwin]

Yeah, good one.

[Kate Hudson]

Yeah, but Wilder Brooks Hudson sounds like more of, like, a Booker Prize winner. Wilder Brooks Hudson.

[Jenny Garth]

Yes, that does sound literary.

[Kate Hudson]

What about Bodhi? Bodhi Hawn Hudson? He's. He's the winner of the 25 Winter Olympics.

[Jenny Garth]

We did this with, like, everything we could think of. And then I was actually sitting on the Jimmy Kimmel Show. I think it was Jimmy Kimmel. And he said, you do realize that you gave your son Oliver the initials od? And I was like, you're like, I haven't actually looked at that. The doctor. And I thought, I'm president, and all of those things.

[Ginny Goodwin]

Thank you so much. And Odd.

[Kate Hudson]

Thank you. My issue for my third kid is next up on the number one stage, Rio Hudson. Please sip your girls.

[Jenny Garth]

Do any of your kids want to be in showbiz?

[Kate Hudson]

They all do. Every single one of them.

[Ginny Goodwin]

I don't even know what to do about this. In the Halloween parade, Ronnie decided to be a bride with her best friend. Their ghost brides, but she already was that. And then she's like, I don't want to put the ghost makeup on. I just want to put, like, you know, lipstick and thing. Of course. So now she's basically in a gown with her best friend, and she's waving at all of the parents, right?

[Kate Hudson]

Like.

[Ginny Goodwin]

Like, she's like, what?

[Jenny Garth]

Yes, the barricade advance.

[Ginny Goodwin]

Oh, it's so funny. Well, it's more like, I feel like she wants to marry a royal. I feel like her and, like, good idea. What, Louie? What. What's the. What's their firstborn? Charlie?

[Jenny Garth]

I.

[Kate Hudson]

It's a good idea.

[Jenny Garth]

It is a good idea. It's better than all kinds of questions about that, too.

[Ginny Goodwin]

Awful idea. So, Ronnie, I have to visit her at, like, Buckingham Palace. Can I see my daughter, please?

[Kate Hudson]

Please?

[Ginny Goodwin]

Wait in the. Wait in the. I'm, like, not allowed to certain things.

[Kate Hudson]

What about your kids? Are they inclined anyway?

[Jenny Garth]

Well, we thought we would want to keep them as far from show business as possible. And, like, both my husband and I feel like he's an actor as well. And we both feel like there is no greater blessing than this. However, we've been in projection and, like, you know, very unsustainable, sort of unstable life, and so we have wanted something just a little bit different for them. My husband and I came out of the womb from our respective mothers with jazz hands. And so then when our children, as much as we thought we wanted to set them up for, like, you know, careers in finance, when they came out and did not want to be in show business, we're like, what did we do wrong?

[Kate Hudson]

Why? Right.

[Jenny Garth]

Yeah. No, I don't know. So my husband's now actually doing a lot of volunteering for the school and trying to get my kids. He works in the performing arts in his spare time in the performing arts department, trying to get our kids revved up about things like spongebob the Musical. But right now, my youngest wants to be. No, I'm actually really happy. My youngest, who's 9, Hugo, he told me he wants to be a CFO, and I had to look up what that was.

[Ginny Goodwin]

Chief financial officer of what business.

[Jenny Garth]

Okay, so this is where it gets good. So I. I have been finishing up the movies Utopia 2, and I took them to Disney, like, rolled out their red carpet and let me have a bring my kids to work day. And they just showered my children in actual candy and let them play on the animation software and watch mommy watch work. And, like, here's how lighting works and here's how editing works and all the things. And I was like, ooh, maybe they'll want to be in the arts now. And they came out, and Hugo goes, now I want to be. And we were like, yes. And he goes, the CFO of Disney.

[Ginny Goodwin]

That's a good idea.

[Jenny Garth]

Yeah, that sounds great. With us, We're. We're totally good with this. And the other one's like, you know, I'm going to be a pro soccer player and maybe a surgeon at the same time.

[Kate Hudson]

Of course.

[Jenny Garth]

Gotcha. We got.

[Ginny Goodwin]

How old is he?

[Jenny Garth]

11. Can you believe you?

[Ginny Goodwin]

You're a boy mommy.

[Kate Hudson]

I know.

[Ginny Goodwin]

I was a boy mommy for a long time.

[Jenny Garth]

How different is it now? Like, I can't even fathom having.

[Ginny Goodwin]

Oh, it's so different. And everybody sort of is like, you know, I mean, I remember when she was first born, it was like, how different is it? I'm like, well, she just, like, poops and sleeps, and I don't know yet. Like, let's give it some time. But the second her. She started, like, developing all. I mean, just. She is all girl. And, like, I mean, it couldn't be more different. I mean, she sits in sometimes the kitchen. I've. You know, My rider's now 21, graduating. Graduating from NYU this year. She'll sit in the room at 6 years old, and the boys are. And she just rolls her eyes. She's just like, what is wrong with you guys? She's like, she. Girls just. They're just. We're. We're so different. We're just wired so differently. Yeah.

[Jenny Garth]

Yeah. So, no, I'm surrounded by boys. I have a boy dog. I mean, it's. There's.

[Kate Hudson]

And.

[Jenny Garth]

But. And my son, my eldest and I share clothes now, so that's like a hard but, like, keeping the, like, estrogen alive in this house is.

[Kate Hudson]

It's so wild that the holidays are almost here.

[Ginny Goodwin]

It is pretty wild. I'm actually already currently right now because, actually, because of the fires, I had to throw away all of my Christmas decorations.

[Kate Hudson]

Oh.

[Ginny Goodwin]

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[Kate Hudson]

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[Ginny Goodwin]

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[Kate Hudson]

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[Ginny Goodwin]

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[Kate Hudson]

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[Ginny Goodwin]

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[Kate Hudson]

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[Jenny Garth]

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[Kate Hudson]

Must be 21 or older. In a jurisdiction where Better Picks operates, terms and conditions apply. Better Picks. Sports just got better. Hey, everyone. Ed Helms here. And hi, I'm Kal Penn, and we're the hosts of Irsay, the Audible and Iheart Audiobook Club. This week on the podcast, I am sitting down With Jenny Garth, host of the iHeart podcast, I choose me to discuss the new Audible adaptation of the timeless Jane Austen classic Pride and Prejudice. This is not a trick question. There's no wrong answer. What role would I play?

[Jenny Garth]

You know what? I can see you as Mr. Darcy. You got a little Colin first.

[Kate Hudson]

Okay, that's really sweet. I appreciate that. But are you sure I'm not the dad? I'm not Mr. Bennett. Here, listen to Earsay the Audible and iHeart Audiobook Club on the iHeartradio app or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Ginny Goodwin]

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[Ginny Goodwin]

So Jenny, how many siblings do you have?

[Jenny Garth]

I have one sister, I have two stepsisters, but I was not raised with them. My parents remarried later so they are my stepsisters, but I don't. I don't know them as well as I wish I did, but I am very close to my little sister who's really only two years younger than me. So basically, I mean now we're the.

[Ginny Goodwin]

Same age and you. You grew up and you were in Memphis your whole childhood.

[Jenny Garth]

Whole childhood. Always wanted to Be an actress. No, was going to be an actress. There was no backup plan. So there was no question that I was not staying in Memphis. And I. Yeah, I picked up and left and I moved to. Well, I went to theater schools and my sister went to art school. She's a visual artist and an animator. So also we've always had like, sibling careers, which has been lovely and overlaps. Like, she had me cast in her first animated series. So my first voiceover job was through my sister. And now I love. She does cameos and all the things that I do. Oh, you know what? She was in Something Borrowed. She was in a bar scene. It's always like a Where's Waldo game for my family.

[Ginny Goodwin]

Okay. Right.

[Jenny Garth]

And like, it's fun because ads will get competitive. Like, I have to say, I think Walk the Line won because they put her in like a scene where basically everything was in unintentional. I mean, intentional per art direction and costumes. But, like, the image was almost black and white. And then my sister's in this like, bright blue airline stewardess uniform, like coming down an escalator right behind Joaquin Phoenix. And I was like, I don't know if that can be topped as Where's Waldo? For my family to find out. But I think for a while too, my family would get more excited about finding her. Then they, like, they were used to seeing me on screen. So, like, I'd be in a screening with them and then they would just all start screaming when they would see my sister on screen.

[Ginny Goodwin]

Anyway.

[Jenny Garth]

That is so fun. Right? And like now I had. And now she's like making like, has little cameos even in the, you know, like in the Zootopia movies. She's got little roles and things like that.

[Ginny Goodwin]

And is she in la?

[Jenny Garth]

You know what? She was. And this isn't me, like, talking out of school because she's been public about it. But she lost her husband. She's got two very small children. She lost her husband to cancer a couple of years ago and she developed cancer. She's fine. She's great. She's in remission. But she, I think did like the greatest thing for herself and her kids. And she moved to be with her late husband's family. So she moved out of state. It's the first time we haven't been together. So that's been an adjustment because we've always been down the street from each other. Like, except for college years, our whole lives we were roommates after college. So it's been an adjustment. But I do think it's like the greatest thing ever for.

[Kate Hudson]

Where did she move to?

[Jenny Garth]

She moved to Phoenix.

[Kate Hudson]

Okay.

[Ginny Goodwin]

And does. And does. Does the family have, like, siblings? Did he have siblings and that.

[Jenny Garth]

It's a great family. So now she's like, literally in the neighborhood with her late husband's family and they're all dream boats.

[Ginny Goodwin]

Oh, that makes me emotional.

[Kate Hudson]

I know. Me too.

[Ginny Goodwin]

That makes you want to cry.

[Jenny Garth]

Yeah, it's like the greatest thing ever. So I know that it was a big, like. Yeah, she's. She's in her 40s and suddenly, like, life is presented her with a very different.

[Kate Hudson]

How old are her kids?

[Jenny Garth]

They are three and seven.

[Kate Hudson]

Oh, they're littles.

[Jenny Garth]

They're little guys. So also, I have never taken my children to any kind of Hollywood. Hollywood event at all. They don't even know what they are. My. My children have been campaigning to come to the Zootopia to premiere, which was a whole thing that we can get into, which is a very fun negotiation. But anyway, my sister and her eldest are also coming, so we're going to be dates to the kids.

[Kate Hudson]

What is the negotiation?

[Jenny Garth]

Well, my whole thing has been I let them come to sets. They're allowed to set a video village. And like, you know, I try to make sure that it's like a child appropriate day. Though at times I have thought that things would go over their heads and things did not go over their heads. Or at least they did not know not to repeat lines about, like, infidelity at preschool. And then I had to go back to preschool and say, by the way, my husband and I are fine. This was a line that he heard repeatedly on a day where I didn't know that he'd pick up on it.

[Kate Hudson]

Preschool is like, there's a lot of infidelity in my house. A lot of.

[Jenny Garth]

We're hearing through a lot. But so we've never let them come to anything. We've kept it also very separate. And they really, really want to come to this premiere now. They don't know what that really means. And they asked me recently because, you know, when Disney has these premieres, they like, shut down Hollywood Boulevard. And, you know, it's. I can't even fathom how many people are like, on the street, on the sidewalks. And my kids were like, hey, do you remember when we went to the Knicks game? And I was like, yeah. They were like, you rem. Remember when we left the Knicks game and there were photographers outside, by the way, There were like two photographers. And I was like, yeah. And they were like, is it going to be that kind of crazy. And I was like, oh, dear. We're going to need to, like, you.

[Ginny Goodwin]

Need to show them.

[Kate Hudson]

You need to show them, like, a YouTube video or something.

[Jenny Garth]

I'm going to have to. We've gotten them. So they. They want to. They want to come. And so they're actually going to come on the press tour for all. Like, they're gonna do some LA and then everything internationally with me. And what. We said it right. I've never taken them out of school for anything, so this is gonna be a whole thing. I haven't told the school yet. They might be finding out, listening to this podcast, but we got them little suits. And what I said to them was, if you walk this carpet with us, which is what they want to do, I said, we are not. Like, you're not gonna then, like, go sit at the computer and, like, Google yourself. Like, we're gonna, like, we're gonna have eyes on this. Like this. We're gonna pretend. I know the math doesn't add up. Like, there is no math that works there. You're gonna walk on red carpet and we're not posting about it, and we're not Googling it, and we're not. We're just gonna pretend it's like the 1950s.

[Ginny Goodwin]

Yeah. Or do what our dad did, which is no one really cares about you.

[Jenny Garth]

Meaning, like, Kurt was always.

[Ginny Goodwin]

Kirker was like, here's the deal. Yeah, here's the deal. This is all smoke and mirrors. It means Nothing because there's eight. There's 9 billion people in the world that don't give a. So remember. Yeah, Remember. And it has nothing to do with you.

[Jenny Garth]

Yes. And who you are and what you've offered.

[Ginny Goodwin]

It's like. It's like we had, like, the opposite. We had, like, the harsh.

[Jenny Garth]

We had, like, the harsh.

[Ginny Goodwin]

Like, guys.

[Kate Hudson]

Oh, yeah, this is.

[Ginny Goodwin]

Yeah, this is like.

[Kate Hudson]

Yeah, don't think this is real. This is.

[Ginny Goodwin]

Yeah, don't think this is real. This is all insane.

[Kate Hudson]

Yeah.

[Jenny Garth]

No, I love this.

[Kate Hudson]

I think that's how. That's healthy, though. It's healthy. I think to.

[Ginny Goodwin]

I think so.

[Kate Hudson]

It is. I. I think so. It's like, look, you guys, this is fun. I get it. It's fun. But, you know, it's all. It's not. This is not reality right now. You know, who knows how long this.

[Ginny Goodwin]

I think. I think that's the real thing. Who knows how long this. This actually lasts, right?

[Kate Hudson]

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[Jenny Garth]

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[Kate Hudson]

Must be 21 or older. In a jurisdiction where Better Picks operates, terms and conditions apply. Better Picks Sports just got better hey audiobook lovers. This week on the podcast I'm sitting down with musician and walking encyclopedia Questlove. We're talking about Mark Ronson's memoir Night how to be a DJ in 90s New York City. All right, like we talked about before, Mark Ronson found sanctuary in the DJ booth. What's a tool or piece of equipment in the studio or on stage that gives you the most control? So I have two microphones on stage. We have the microphone that you hear as the audience. Then we have a second microphone microphone in which we communicate with each other. I feel like that second microphone kind of saved all of our friendships. No band likes each other after 20 years or 25 years. The Beatles broke up in seven and a half years and we're going on 35. Listen to earsay the Audible and iHeart Audiobook Club on the iHeartradio app or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Ginny Goodwin]

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[Ginny Goodwin]

Let's talk about your first job. Like what was your very first job? And like what was your SAG card job?

[Jenny Garth]

My SAG card job was a Law and Order episode. Yes, I audition. I was a. I was a club girl. That was my name, I believe, was club girl. And I, by the way, I had to wear my own clothes and I did my own. I think I did my own hair, but I think they did my makeup. In the audition. I was auditioning to stand beside the girl that found the body in the cold open. And when I was in the audition, I asked if I could please instead audition as well for the girl who screams. And I got it. So I got to scream when I saw the body. And then you see me in the background after that. Dun dun dun. You see me being interviewed by the cops. And that was my entire role. And. But it aired wildly on the same night I had become a recurring actor on ED on NBC, which was. Remember that?

[Ginny Goodwin]

I remember that.

[Kate Hudson]

Yeah.

[Jenny Garth]

And my first episode of ED aired the same night on NBC right after Law and Order. And really I had made it.

[Kate Hudson]

So double feature.

[Ginny Goodwin]

How old were you?

[Jenny Garth]

I was right out of theater school, so I was in my very early. This would have been 2001. I was in my very early 20s and I wanted to be a theater actress but as I always say, the theater wouldn't have me. And so I decided, but I was like I would go to London and see shows and like, I don't know, celebrities were all like TV and movie stars were always on stage. I was like, oh, maybe if I get one of those jobs then they'll let me be in a play. So then the focus became trying to do TV and film and I have like yet to make that. I like, I've done a play in la.

[Kate Hudson]

I was about to say, I was about to ask you, did you follow the plan?

[Jenny Garth]

I mean, no, because also that's, it's. I've gotten really. I like cutting the line at Disneyland and I know of a theater. Like, it's like, it's. That is a noble life. That is a life of integrity. That's a lot of work and hard hours.

[Ginny Goodwin]

I think too, when you're in the middle of it with kids. Like, I know for me, like I want to, I want to do Broadway so bad and I just can't do it with kids. I've got kids in school.

[Jenny Garth]

It's not kid friendly.

[Ginny Goodwin]

It's. I've got to wait, you know, I'm going to be old on. I don't have to be old, you know, or do like a month.

[Jenny Garth]

Yes. A limited run somewhere. Great. And how about during the summer? How about some Shakespeare in the Park? How about we do Shakespeare in the Park?

[Ginny Goodwin]

Yes.

[Jenny Garth]

And we offer them something for our dance break right in the middle. But a push it dance break in.

[Kate Hudson]

The middle of like Taming of the Shrew.

[Ginny Goodwin]

And then when was the thing where you were like, oh my God, like I actually am making a living in life as an, as an actress. Yeah.

[Jenny Garth]

I remember I was on like one of the, my first ever mobile phones and I was like a flip phone. And this would have been in. I don't know if this was in 2001. I think this was in the fall of 2001. I remember I was in Times Square and my reps called me. I was really lucky in that I had agents like pick me up from a college showcase. So I was represented by the time I moved to New York and I had gone in and auditioned for Mike Newell for Mona Lisa. Smile.

[Kate Hudson]

I gotta remember that movie.

[Jenny Garth]

Oh my God. I remember being in that audition and like I didn't know what I was doing. So I was head to toe 1950s. Like I had figured I had like gone to the library and gotten books about like, you know, how women did their hair in the 1950s. And like I went in, in character and I wasn't trying to be a dick. I just Like, I didn't know what I was doing. And I remember they called me. I was in Times Square on that flip phone. And they said, they're gonna cast you in the movie. And they don't know which of the girls you're gonna be. One of the four girls. And they don't know which girl you're going to be. But they, but you'll be in the. You're in the movie. And I remember, like, I fell over. Like I actually physically fell over in Times Square. And then like they like crawled into the Starbucks because I just couldn't, like, I couldn't walk. I couldn't believe it.

[Ginny Goodwin]

Yeah, that's so that's like the best feeling, isn't it? It's the best because when you want it, like we, we share this in that when you want something, when you're like, that's what I'm gonna do. Like, there's just no question. And then, and then finally you're like, oh, I'm gonna do this.

[Jenny Garth]

Yes, it's real. It's really happening. They're gonna let me. They're gonna let me in.

[Ginny Goodwin]

They're gonna. I, I know.

[Jenny Garth]

Through this. And then it was the greatest experience. I mean, honestly, it's one of my favorite jobs I've ever had too, because Julia Roberts was the greatest. Like, I don't know, chaperone through a first movie ever. Like, she really took me under her wing. And I felt so. I don't know, I felt like I had such a good example of just being like a real pro, but making everybody on a set. She made everybody on the set feel like they were the most important person in the room. She was the first one there, the last one to leave. She had the flu and was still doing off camera for me. Like, and so it just, like I was like, this is. It was like all my Christmas came at once. Like, it was just all. It couldn't have been better. And it was like, by the way, it was on film. Remember when we were on film?

[Kate Hudson]

Oh, yeah.

[Jenny Garth]

And it was like a six month shoot all over the northeast. And if you wanted to reach. And they'd just be like, we're gonna go back to that town in Massachusetts and reshoot a scene. Because we decided might be prettier under the light of this. Like, it was, it was such like, I don't know, like a dreamy time to be making.

[Ginny Goodwin]

Also, like, also there was so many more stakes. Like a hair in the gate. When they would say there's a hair in the gate. And you just did something. What? You'll never do it again.

[Jenny Garth]

Not saveable. Yeah, that was Oliver. It was so Julia Roberts and Dominic west. And then it was Kirsten Dunst, Maggie Gyllenhaal and Julia Stiles.

[Kate Hudson]

Oh, yeah. Dominic west is so good, too. So great, so fun.

[Ginny Goodwin]

What an amazing, like, first big experience. Wait.

[Jenny Garth]

I never thought about this before this moment, but we were. The whole thing that happened with NBC, and I was like, it's Must See Me night on NBC. When I did my scream on the one show, and then was when Mona Lisa Smile came out, I had my second movie in the theater. And I feel like it was, like, at the same time, or they were, like, right up next to each other, and I was like, I think I'm gonna get to stay. Like, they're gonna let me do this, and I get to stay.

[Ginny Goodwin]

Yeah, that's. I do that every. Every. Every time I have, like, one that's, like, actually successful, I'm like, huh? I got another 10 years.

[Jenny Garth]

That makes me feel so much better.

[Ginny Goodwin]

That's why, like, I'm like. I'm like, okay, okay. I got 10 more years of, like, trying to figure out if I get some good ones or bad. I don't know. You know, it's a real. It's such a temperamental business. You know, it's like. And as an actor, you're just a hired gun. You know, it's. I think. I feel like people. There's this sort of misunderstanding because you. You bear so much of the weight of the success of the movie, and yet all of the other people are the ones at the helm, and you're just out there representing it. And, I mean, from the director to the producers to the studio, and then if the movie does good or bad, it's kind of like on your. And you had really nothing to do with the process, except. Except showing up for the director.

[Jenny Garth]

I feel like when he came into it, there was, like, a different manual. And I felt. I feel like maybe all of those actors would say I'm wrong, but I feel like you got your foot in the door in a significant way, and then it just, like, the door stayed ajar. And I feel like it's just a whole different beast now. Like, the industry so different than when we started.

[Kate Hudson]

Oh, my gosh. It's also, you know, this business in the last, however, five years plus is. Is definitely contracting. It's shrinking. You know, as far as opportunity goes, as far as content goes, especially in the broadcast world, it's just next, they're not even doing pilots anymore. I mean, remember back in the day? Yeah. NBC. See, they'd have, like, 40 pilots. I mean, and then it was crazy. Yeah. And now that's completely gone. And even in the streamer world, you know, it's just. They threw so much money into this business, and I think after the strikes and after all the shit, it's like, well, maybe we don't need. It's just shrinking, shrinking, shrinking.

[Jenny Garth]

I loved being, you know, during COVID my husband went to work because he was still on a show. And I found myself relaxing, like, truly relaxing, which I know so backwards, given what was going on in the world, but I was like, there was suddenly, like a. Well, I can't. I can't work. Like, there's no. There was no new work.

[Kate Hudson]

He was on an existing show so much.

[Jenny Garth]

Right.

[Kate Hudson]

Yeah.

[Jenny Garth]

And so there was, like a. We were, like, shoved off the hamster wheel.

[Kate Hudson]

Yeah.

[Jenny Garth]

And I. I know that I. And I feel like we've got Oliver. I feel like our kids are about the same age, right?

[Kate Hudson]

18, 15, 12.

[Jenny Garth]

Oh, yeah. You're 12, right? Because I've got an almost 12.

[Kate Hudson]

Yeah.

[Jenny Garth]

Wait, Kate, how old's your daughter?

[Ginny Goodwin]

7 and 14 and 21.

[Jenny Garth]

Okay. Well, we're all about the same world. We all Zoom schooling. Because I was like, you know what? I can do this with the Zoom school and being home and the Zoom school and, like. And like, I. There's no option for me to go try to get a job today. Like, that's off. That's off. The. That's. That's out of the date book, so.

[Kate Hudson]

Oh, God. I, I, it was the. It was just so much relief. There's weight off the shoulders. It was like, oh, shit. Like, there's nothing I can do.

[Ginny Goodwin]

I was like, in a Hazmat suit.

[Jenny Garth]

I mean, I was alone with my children, and, like, gosh, my mom sent me from Memphis. I thought this was the greatest thing ever. My mom knew I was alone, and I was potty training a pandemic puppy because we thought that was a good idea. I mean, it was. It was a brilliant idea. Now, in retrospect, but at the time, it was a lot. And my mother shipped me a bot. The woman doesn't drink a drop of alcohol. Shipped me a bottle of Scotch, and she was just like, I just feel like you could use this.

[Kate Hudson]

Yeah. Yeah. I had my little pod, which was like a pod of 78 people.

[Ginny Goodwin]

It was like. It was like my pod and Glass onion, which is having the party.

[Kate Hudson]

Yeah.

[Ginny Goodwin]

And I'm like, I'm in my pod. It's like that Oliver was like, no, you definitely have had Covid already, like, four times. Like, you need to stay as far away from us.

[Kate Hudson]

No, I know Kate. Kate would only text with me because she thought I could give it to her over the phone if I talked.

[Jenny Garth]

We didn't know.

[Kate Hudson]

Yeah. I mean, it was crazy, though, how gnarly it was and how it sort of overtook rational thought. I mean, I would go. I would. I remember thinking, this is going to change the way that humans interact forever, literally. I thought that. I thought. I thought we're never going to shake hands again. We're never probably going to hug or kiss again. I mean, I really thought that. And I consider myself a. A pretty rational person. Yeah. I mean, and now I think back on, I'm like. I'm like, what the.

[Ginny Goodwin]

Well, but I think. Can I say, I think honestly, it's been like a year and a half ago was when people finally took the exhale and you were like, oh, life is normal. And then you can feel that way because now, all of a sudden, it's 2025. And I swear to God, I look around at these parties, you know that I go to a party. I mean, it's like the 90s again.

[Kate Hudson]

I don't.

[Ginny Goodwin]

I'm like, oh, everyone is partying.

[Jenny Garth]

I have been practicing with my kids saying no to things that they don't know what it is. Like, I make them actually act. That's where they're. That's where they are acting. And in life, that is where showbiz comes in because we actually act out scenes where I have them practice saying no to me, and I say things like, that I'm your best friend and you're being a chicken. And then they come up with. So that they're ready, because I am terrified. And I said to them recently, I said, well, you know, I just need you to come tell me if you ever want to do something. You just need to just tell me first and we'll have a conversation about it. Like, no problem. You won't be in trouble. And they were like, mom, you'll get us drugs. And I was like, I'm definitely not getting you drugs. Glad you asked. Just, like, so that we're all like, right.

[Kate Hudson]

You're taking this the wrong way. I'm not.

[Ginny Goodwin]

It's a tough thing to navigate. It really is because. Because you kind of like you. You know, from your own experience in high school that, like, the. The desire to experiment or you see certain people doing certain Things and you don't know if you want to do it or not do it. And some of it looks really fun, and some of it's kind of scary. And. And then there is, like, peer pressure is like a real thing. Like, all of these things are tough to navigate. But my. My thing is, is nowadays it's so much scarier. And so I. It's like our life in. In the 90s, in the early, like, late 90s, we didn't have the same kind of, like, scary.

[Kate Hudson]

No fentanyl.

[Jenny Garth]

Like, there was like. There were like, basil leaves ground up in the weed.

[Kate Hudson]

Yeah.

[Ginny Goodwin]

Like oregano.

[Jenny Garth]

Yeah, that's what it was. Oregano. See, I don't even know it was a.

[Ginny Goodwin]

But I essentially, all the time, any.

[Kate Hudson]

Of it, every time they go out, I say, be smart. Be safe. Every time. And then I say, like, don't be a idiot. That's what I say I do. I'm like, don't be a idiot. It is. Don't be stupid.

[Jenny Garth]

Isn't it crazy? By the way, having kids is really just about trying to keep another human alive. Like, at. At, like, all the different stages. Like, I keep going, like, will there be a stage where I'm not worried about the keeping you alive? I know it's just gonna be a different kind of keeping you alive.

[Ginny Goodwin]

It's more. I. I had someone say to me, because I was having a lot of anxiety about my kids at one point, and she just goes, you know, with Ryder leaving, and she goes, when I started to do that, she's like, it's just. I just went to faith not fear. Faith not fear. And I was like, oh, I like that as a mantra, you know, I love that. Because also when you show faith in your kids, you know, and you show that you have trust in them and you give them proper independence, I feel like they don't take that for granted. They're sort of like, I know that my mom has faith in me to be safe and to do the right thing.

[Kate Hudson]

Yeah. And you can't. The problem is we catastrophize about what could happen to our kids. So we're creating this stress and this anxiety and physical pain from something that hasn't even happened yet. Anyway. Zootopia 2. Do you like free money? Well, today's your lucky day. Better Picks is offering a free $10 just for signing up. Download the Better app, pick more or less on your favorite player's stats, watch the games, and win some cash. It's that simple. Better pick Better picks. Available in 33 states including Texas, California and Georgia, download the Better App today. That's better. B E T R and get a free $10. No deposit necessary. Must be 21 or older. In a jurisdiction where Better Picks operates, terms of conditions apply. Better Picks Sports just got better hey everyone, Ed Helms here and hi, I'm Cal Penn and we're the hosts of Earsay the Audible and iHeart Audiobook Club. This week on the podcast I am sitting down with Jenny Garth, host of the iHeart podcast. I choose me to discuss the new Audible adaptation of the timeless Jane Austen classic Pride and Prejudice. This is not a trick question. There's no wrong answer. What role would I play?

[Jenny Garth]

You know what? I can see you as Mr. Darcy. You got a little Colin Firth.

[Kate Hudson]

Okay, that's really sweet. I appreciate that. But are you sure I'm not the dad? I'm not Mr. Bennett here. Listen to Earsay the Audible and iHeart Audio Book Club on the iHeartradio app or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Ginny Goodwin]

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[Ginny Goodwin]

I have a question. You've been doing a lot of voiceover work. Like, what? How did this happen?

[Jenny Garth]

I don't know. I mean, I used to go into Disney and. Because I'm like a real Disney nut. Like, I'm a Disney file. Like, I was raised on it. I'm of the cult of, like, I've drunk Walt's Kool Aid. And I used to go. I asked my reps to start sending me in for anything animated. I just want it because I felt like Disney was the. I mean, that was. That was it for me. And I would go in and I would just beg and say, like, wherever you can stick me. Like, seriously, stick me there. And I did a Tinkerbell. Like one of these straight to. Well, it was called Straight to Video. We don't have that anymore, do we? Anyway, it was Straight to Video. Straight to streaming now. It was Straight to Video. And it was many years ago. And I was. Then after that, I was still working on that movie and I was cast. I was on Once Upon a Time, which is Disney Stories, right? With a modern twist. And I was up in Canada pregnant with my eldest, and I was literally sitting in Mickey Mouse pajamas on a morning off. And I got a phone call. I got one of those calls where, like, all your reps are on the phone at once. And my voiceover agent was in the mix and I. I turned to my husband and I said, I'm getting fired from Tinkerbell. And he was like, what do you mean you're getting fired? And I'm like, well, there is a call in from all of the reps and the attorneys and the voiceover agent is in that mix. And so I'm clearly Tinkerbell. And. And it was the Zootopia one offer. So I have no idea how it happened. But, but, but, but it did. And I did not read a script. I was just told Jason Bateman and I would be Buddy Cops, that I would be a rabbit, that he would be a fox, and would I like to sign the contract.

[Kate Hudson]

Wow.

[Jenny Garth]

Yes.

[Kate Hudson]

Did you ever deep dive into sort of what they heard, why they wanted You.

[Jenny Garth]

I thought it was. I thought they were going to say they were watching Once Upon a Time because it's Disney or it had something to do with the Tinkerbell. And one of them was watching a movie that I did called he's just not that into you. And he said he was listening to. He was, like, doing something else. And he heard me on the TV in the other room. And that. That. That. That was the project, which I thought was bonkers. Right. And now I go to them. I go to all my bosses at Disney and I tell them, if you have anything for me to do, I will do it. Because I love working for them.

[Kate Hudson]

Them so much.

[Jenny Garth]

Like, I just feel like if I just did this forever, I'd be really okay with.

[Kate Hudson]

Yeah. Amazing. That's very cool. Dreams are coming true.

[Ginny Goodwin]

So cool.

[Kate Hudson]

Disney style, right?

[Jenny Garth]

And then a little Tinkerbell just flew behind her head.

[Kate Hudson]

That's right.

[Jenny Garth]

I should rig that in here.

[Ginny Goodwin]

I love you.

[Jenny Garth]

I love you.

[Ginny Goodwin]

It was so good to catch up.

[Jenny Garth]

And, Oliver, so good to get to know you.

[Kate Hudson]

Yes. This is funny.

[Jenny Garth]

With so much of this parenting, so many of our. I find that very inspiring.

[Ginny Goodwin]

A lot of.

[Jenny Garth]

She said, I'm running with it. Just, you know.

[Kate Hudson]

Oh, good.

[Ginny Goodwin]

Well, I hope I see you soon.

[Jenny Garth]

Same.

[Ginny Goodwin]

It's been so long that you literally.

[Jenny Garth]

Look exactly the same.

[Ginny Goodwin]

I do.

[Jenny Garth]

You really know, with all.

[Ginny Goodwin]

You know, listen, another couple years, I'm. You know, we were all getting faceless. Let's be honest.

[Jenny Garth]

Let's go. Let's just go. And then we'll stay in and we'll. We'll do recovery together.

[Ginny Goodwin]

We'll all do it together. I love you. I love you.

[Kate Hudson]

Bye, baby.

[Jenny Garth]

Bye.

[Kate Hudson]

Bye. That was great, Kate.

[Ginny Goodwin]

Oh, it was so great. It was so great to catch up with her.

[Kate Hudson]

I know.

[Ginny Goodwin]

I love her so much.

[Kate Hudson]

She looks Disney. I mean, she, like, feels everything about her. Like, the hair, the pixie haircut.

[Ginny Goodwin]

She can't even take it. I can't even take how beautiful. It's like she's like. She's like a painting. And I used to say that all the time we were working together. I'd look at her face and I get, like, lost in it because her eyes are so big, and she's just like her porcelain skin and. Yeah. She's like Snow White.

[Kate Hudson]

I know.

[Ginny Goodwin]

But then. Then she also looks like our stepmother. She's very much like, scent. I know.

[Kate Hudson]

So much so. Wow. That's crazy.

[Ginny Goodwin]

Yeah.

[Kate Hudson]

All right, cool. I'm going to see you tonight.

[Ginny Goodwin]

See you tonight.

[Kate Hudson]

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[Ginny Goodwin]

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[Kate Hudson]

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[Ginny Goodwin]

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[Jenny Garth]

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[Kate Hudson]

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