You Heard It Here First...a Lucius Exclusive

Summary

Podcast Summary: Sibling Revelry with Kate & Oliver Hudson

Episode: "You Heard It Here First...a Lucius Exclusive"
Air Date: October 6, 2025
Guests: Jess Wolfe & Holly Laessig (Lucius)

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Overview

This episode centers on the musical duo Lucius—Jess Wolfe and Holly Laessig—in a free-flowing conversation about artistry, creative friendship, life on the road, balancing music and motherhood, and the power of community in building a musical career. The Hudson siblings (Kate and Oliver) are clearly fans, with Kate especially revealing her Lucius obsession. The big draw: an exclusive first play of Lucius’s new single “Thickest Thieves,” and hilarious, intimate insight into the lives of female touring musicians who might not be siblings by blood, but certainly are in spirit.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

Meeting, Formation & Early Days

• Origin Story (07:27–11:23)

  • Jess (from LA’s Valley) and Holly (from Cleveland) met at Berklee College of Music via a mutual friend/roommate; bonded over musical upbringings and a shared affinity for old soul, Roy Orbison, and Sam Cooke.
  • Initial concept: girl-group White Album cover show, which pivoted to writing originals after jamming on “Happiness Is a Warm Gun.”

• Discovering Their Unique Sound (12:27–13:37)

  • Sought a unique vocal identity: “We both wanted to be lead singers, but we wanted to be lead singers together... thinking about double-tracked vocals, Elliot Smith, Phil Spector, and we thought: Oh, we could just do that live.” —Jess Wolfe (12:37)

Building Community & Career Breaks

• Tiny Desk & First "Real" Audiences (14:33–15:23)

  • The NPR Tiny Desk appearance was their first breakthrough. They’d sent handwritten letters and burned CDs to host Bob Boilen before being booked.
  • "That was the first time people that weren’t related to us showed up and we were like: What’s happening here?" —Holly Laessig (14:46)

• The New York Scene (15:37–16:58)

  • Eight formative years in NYC, surrounded by future stars and a vibrant club scene.
  • “We just immersed ourselves but didn’t realize at the time how much of a moment it was… Until you’re gone.” —Jess Wolfe (16:55)
  • Observations on how the NYC live music community’s culture has shifted since.

• The Power of Community

  • “Community’s made our entire careers. I feel like we’d be nothing without everyone in…” —Jess Wolfe (24:03)

Touring Life: Thrills, Exhaustion, and Motherhood

• Touring Milestones (24:27–25:14)

  • First big tour: supporting Jack White; followed van tours with J.D. McPherson.
  • Initial break occurred “through friends of friends,” reinforcing the networking theme.

• Burnout & Motherhood on the Road (25:14–30:33)

  • Year-long relentless touring after their debut left them “zombies in Paris.” Touring with young children adds difficulty: “Have a baby and go on tour, and it’s a whole new level of exhaustion.” —Jess Wolfe (26:09)
  • Jess and Holly swapped stories about post-partum touring and childcare challenges, like hiring new babysitters in every city and juggling work with no nanny.

• Healing & Resilience (29:11–29:57)

  • Jess describes a powerful “full-circle moment,” returning to a festival (Brandi Carlile's) where she’d previously miscarried, this time performing with her newborn son: “It felt really healing and necessary. I was exhausted, but... glad we did it.” —Jess Wolfe (29:57)

Chasing the Craft: Evolution, Style & Collaboration

• Aesthetic Evolution (36:11–38:34)

  • Their matching look? “We were a walking set. People were like: Who the f--- are they?” —Jess Wolfe (37:37)
  • Started by raiding cheap outfits and tailoring them; now collaborate with embroiderers and stylists for more elaborate costumes.

• Vocal Alchemy (39:54)

  • “Separately, we have very different voices, but together it does create this sort of unusual thing.” —Jess Wolfe (39:50)
  • “Because we have these two different timbres, we can get more dynamic out of our sound.” —Holly Laessig (39:50)

• Band Dynamics

  • Hardly any fights: “A couple in 20 years... there’s been two that were like, ‘I'm leaving!’ moments, and ten minutes later it’s over.” —Jess Wolfe (40:07)

• Collaboration—Crossing Genres (41:11–43:44)

  • Worked with artists across genres, sometimes surprising even themselves with where they fit.
  • Most surreal collaboration: Roger Waters (Pink Floyd). After being invited for two songs, ended up singing on the entire set. “He stops... ‘They’re singing on every song!’” —Jess Wolfe (43:25)
  • Balancing their own songwriting with being featured artists for others.

• Creative Partnerships (44:44–45:57)

  • Praise for longtime collaborator/producer Shawn Everett: “Watching him is like watching, I don’t know, Basquiat or something... The most creative person we’ve ever met.” —Jess Wolfe (45:09)

The Business of Art & Surviving the Industry

• Fame vs. Sustainability (54:25–55:35)

  • “I don’t think we’re famous.” —Jess Wolfe (54:35)
  • The real goal is longevity and creative freedom, rather than celebrity.

• Social Media & the Business Side (55:35–56:52)

  • Struggle to adapt to TikTok and new forms of promotion. “It just does not come… so unnatural to us.” —Jess Wolfe (55:54)
  • Necessity to be entrepreneurial in both art and business to survive.

• The Role of Luck, Networking, and Money (56:52–59:12)

  • “It’s meeting of luck, talent, hard work…” —Jess Wolfe (56:58)
  • Touring is barely profitable for most artists, even those drawing crowds. “You’re lucky if you’re breaking even. That’s considered a win.” —Jess Wolfe (59:09)

Sibling Energy, Inspiration & Affection

• Closing Reflections (60:57–63:15)
  • Hudsons ask Lucius their ‘sibling’ signature question.
    • Admire in the other: “Social boldness” (Holly about Jess) and “gentle thoughtfulness” (Jess about Holly).
    • If they could help alleviate a burden: “Take your baby for a day” (Holly), “Send you on a big free vacation, pay all your bills, maybe win the lottery too” (Jess).

Exclusive Single Premiere: "Thickest Thieves"

• New Song Debut: (64:43–68:25)
  • Lucius’s “Thickest Thieves” played exclusively for podcast listeners.

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Notable Quotes & Moments

• "We both wanted to be lead singers… but we wanted to be lead singers together."
  —Jess Wolfe (12:37)

• "That was the first time people that weren’t related to us showed up and we were like: What’s happening here?"
  —Holly Laessig (14:46)

• "Community’s made our entire careers. I feel like we’d be nothing without everyone in..."
  —Jess Wolfe (24:03)

• "Have a baby and go on tour and it’s a whole new level of exhaustion."
  —Jess Wolfe (26:09)

• “He stops… ‘They’re singing on every song!’” (on Roger Waters at Newport Folk Fest)
  —Jess Wolfe (43:25)

• “You’re lucky if you’re breaking even. That’s considered a win.”
  —Jess Wolfe (59:09)

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• Meeting and Berklee days: 07:27–11:23
• Forming the Lucius sound: 12:27–13:37
• First big break (Tiny Desk): 14:33–15:23
• New York era/music scene: 15:37–16:58
• First major tours and burnout: 24:27–26:07
• Motherhood & healing on the road: 28:01–29:57
• Creative style and costumes: 36:11–38:34
• Collaboration stories (Roger Waters): 41:51–44:14
• On fame, business, and network: 54:25–59:12
• Sibling-inspired closing Q&A: 60:57–63:15
• Exclusive premiere: "Thickest Thieves": 64:43–68:25

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Episode Tone

• Warm, playful, and confessional: Candid tales of struggle, joy, quirky fashion, and musical passion.
• Supportive and authentic: Hosts are genuine fans and friends, fostering unscripted laughter and deep personal stories.
• Inclusive for listeners: Emphasizes universal artist struggles—creative search, balancing personal and professional life, and forging community.

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Final Thoughts

Lucius illuminates how their partnership is a near-family bond, thriving on musical harmony and emotional contrast. Their journey reveals the grind and glory behind the glamour—creative connection, vulnerability, and the work required to survive in today’s industry. The exclusive single “Thickest Thieves” encapsulates their evolution toward greater artistic self-definition, balancing collaboration and independence—themes echoed throughout this lively and heartfelt episode.

Transcript

[Jess Wolfe]

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[Aaron]

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[Aaron]

Hi, I'm Kate Hudson and my name is Oliver Hudson.

[Ryan Seacrest]

We wanted to do something that highlighted.

[Aaron]

Our relationship and what it's like to be sibling. We are. A sibling rivalry.

[Ryan Seacrest]

No, no.

[Jess Wolfe]

Sibling revelry. Don't do that with your mouth.

[Aaron]

Sibling revelry.

[Holly Laessig]

That's good.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Ollie, this is me. I'm so excited right now. I know you are, because I'm obsessed with these ladies. I love them. They're so brilliant. They're so beautiful. They have the most incredible voices. They're beautiful songwriters. They're have been around since 2007. They were formed in Brooklyn. They work with everybody from Harry Styles to War on Drugs to Brandy Carlisle. And then they've really, like, made a name for themselves. And I just literally. They are an obsession of mine. And it's Lucius Holly, I think you pronounce it Lasig and Jess Wolf. And they gave us exclusively their new single, Thickest Thieves, for people to listen to only on our podcast. Downloadable, right?

[Aaron]

Yep.

[Ryan Seacrest]

On our podcast for the.

[Aaron]

Playing it after. Right. We'll get through the interview and then we're going to play it.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Then we're going to play it.

[Jess Wolfe]

Yeah.

[Ryan Seacrest]

And I'm so excited. And you've never. You never knew them?

[Aaron]

No. And I kind of getting myself, you know, up to speed, obviously. I. I heard their single incredible, and then you have been sort of giving me songs to listen to. I mean, they're.

[Ryan Seacrest]

It's.

[Aaron]

They're amazing. I mean, adding to my playlist for sure. Without a doubt.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Yeah. I'm. I'll be fangirling this whole interview and.

[Aaron]

I have, like, I. I love their harmonies a lot. Like.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Oh, well, that's what they do.

[Aaron]

Beautiful.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Oh, it's insane.

[Aaron]

Cereal.

[Ryan Seacrest]

You know, it's also, like, for girls. I think they're just. Their whole vibe is the best. Anyway, let's. Let's get into it. And I can't wait to meet them.

[Jess Wolfe]

Hello.

[Lucius (Band Member or Vocalist)]

Hi.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Hi.

[Aaron]

Hi.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Oh, welcome. I'm so happy and excited that you're on the show on our podcast.

[Jess Wolfe]

Thank you for having us.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Where are you right now?

[Jess Wolfe]

We're in my little casita in the back of my house in Silver Lake.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Oh, so you're in la?

[Jess Wolfe]

Yeah.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Oh, cool. You both live here? I don't know why I thought you guys lived in Nashville.

[Jess Wolfe]

I was splitting time in Nashville.

[Aaron]

I did a show called Nashville in Nashville. I was.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Oh, yeah.

[Aaron]

So I lived there for a couple of years as well.

[Jess Wolfe]

I'm friends with Cali.

[Aaron]

Oh, you are?

[Jess Wolfe]

Yeah, Cali. T Bone. We're actually going to record with T Bone tonight.

[Aaron]

You are?

[Ryan Seacrest]

Oh, fun.

[Aaron]

Amazing.

[Ryan Seacrest]

I was just with the guy who mixes for T Bone. That maybe Zach.

[Jess Wolfe]

Zach Doe.

[Ryan Seacrest]

I don't know. I was doing, I was doing something at the Village and there was a guy in there and he was saying he was mixing something for tea.

[Jess Wolfe]

He Bone. Maybe, maybe, maybe it could have been Zach, but he's my neighbor and one my, my, my Hebrew school boyfriend.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Stop it. Where did you grow up?

[Jess Wolfe]

I grew up in the Valley.

[Ryan Seacrest]

In the Valley. And, and you.

[Holly Laessig]

And I grew up in Cleveland.

[Ryan Seacrest]

In Cleveland.

[Aaron]

Wow.

[Ryan Seacrest]

It's very different than the Valley.

[Jess Wolfe]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Ryan Seacrest]

I remember going to Cleveland for the first time on tour with my ex husband, and I was like 21 years old, and we showed up to a mall where the hotel was so, like, you're in the mall. And then all I wanted to do was like, something. And I went down. I was like, what's there to do? And the guy, the concierge was like, he's like, nothing. He's like, you could go bowling, right? And I was like, yeah, bowling was.

[Holly Laessig]

A big, A big pastime.

[Jess Wolfe]

Yeah.

[Ryan Seacrest]

And so we went bowling.

[Jess Wolfe]

I mean, bowling's fun.

[Ryan Seacrest]

It was fun. It was fun. It was.

[Jess Wolfe]

Cleveland's having a bit of a renaissance.

[Holly Laessig]

Yeah, like, renaissance might be a little.

[Jess Wolfe]

Okay, that's a stretch. But there's like a little bit of a food scene, art scene now. Yeah, a couple of. That's what happens when things are really boring.

[Aaron]

Well, how does, how does the Valley meet Cleveland? How does that, that seems like worlds away.

[Jess Wolfe]

School in Boston? Yeah, you know, all the way. Yeah. Yeah.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Oh, so you guys met in school?

[Holly Laessig]

Yeah, we went to Berkeley College of Music.

[Aaron]

Okay.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Of course you did. I have, like, I, I, I, I have, I have a secret, like, and like, of envy every. I've worked with so many people who've gone to the Berkeley at this point, and I'm like, it just feels like the best musicians come out of that college.

[Jess Wolfe]

You know, it was all about community. So I think both of us felt a lack of community early in, in our early years. And so when we went to school, it was like the first time we had a place where there were, like, minded kids. And it was just so nice to Create and to share ideas and explore things and. And that was. That was the real. I think.

[Holly Laessig]

Yeah.

[Jess Wolfe]

Gift of Berkeley.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Yeah.

[Holly Laessig]

I mean, I remember, like, coming from, you know, my town in Ohio and I coming to Berkeley in the first couple days. Like, the first day in the. It felt like, to me that. That Blind Melon video where she. The little bee, finds all finally at the end.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Yeah. The best video ever.

[Jess Wolfe]

It is the best video.

[Aaron]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Well, do you still work with people from. That you went to school with?

[Jess Wolfe]

I mean, we still have a bunch of close friends and our bandmates. Yeah. All went to Berkeley.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Yeah.

[Aaron]

Oh, wow.

[Jess Wolfe]

Sort of by accident, because we weren't. We didn't form together with them until we were in New York. Yeah.

[Aaron]

But so wait, you go to Berkeley and you're walking down the hall and you just, like, kind of high five, and you're like, let's. Let's do this.

[Jess Wolfe]

Exactly.

[Holly Laessig]

We had matching outfits on.

[Aaron]

You know, how do you find each other? How. How does one find each other, generally?

[Ryan Seacrest]

Yeah. Give us, like, Genesis. Like, what was the. What was the first time you met?

[Jess Wolfe]

First time we met? I don't know that I. I don't know that I remember the very first time. Do you?

[Holly Laessig]

I. I think you came into our room maybe. I don't remember for sure. But you were friends.

[Jess Wolfe]

My. My first friend at school was Holly's roommate, and we. We were in the same orientation group, and she's a wild girl. And I remember her sharing things with me that I had. I feel like I had never even known about, let alone.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Wait.

[Jess Wolfe]

You.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Is this is the roommate? Yeah. Yeah. Okay.

[Jess Wolfe]

And I was like, oh, I'm gonna be friends with this one. And then. Yeah. I can't remember, but we somehow ended up all hanging out in their room, like, cook. Cooking on Holly's rice cooker. Yep. And the rest was history.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Did you study. Did you study instrument or was it just vocals?

[Holly Laessig]

It was vocal. Vocal was our instrument at school.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Okay.

[Holly Laessig]

And then. Yeah, I guess I didn't have piano class at Berkeley.

[Aaron]

But I'm so curious, because you have. At Berklee, you've got just a ton of musicians spanning all different. The spectrum of music. Right. And then it's. The community is big. It's real. There's so much opportunity to fall in with someone or a group or something that is going to sort of propel you or launch you or inspire you and, like, for you guys to have found each other. What was the thing? You know, it's like, are you making rice? And all of A sudden you're like. And then it's like, wow, like, this works.

[Holly Laessig]

Yeah.

[Jess Wolfe]

That's sort of us in a nutshell. I mean, we started talking about our musical upbringings and the music really that our dads would play for us.

[Ryan Seacrest]

And what were those, what was it?

[Jess Wolfe]

Old school soul music? Sam Cooke, Roy Orbison, like the oldies channels. We both were sort of old souls. And so we decided to get together and do a White Album cover show. A girl group version of the White Album, which never happened.

[Ryan Seacrest]

I love that idea.

[Jess Wolfe]

Yeah, it would be cool. Yeah.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Yeah.

[Jess Wolfe]

We started working on Happiness is Warm Gun and then we just sort of pivoted and started writing our own songs.

[Holly Laessig]

Yeah, yeah. And we. It wasn't like any particular plan or vision or goal, end goal in mind. We just kept getting together after that point and. And started writing our own music and booking little shows and.

[Ryan Seacrest]

And obviously your guys's voice, I mean, you know, because that's your instrument in your ear, that the second you start singing together, it's like, oh, I think.

[Jess Wolfe]

There was an, um, moment when we got in the studio for the first time and recorded and, you know, we both wanted to be lead singers, but we wanted to be lead singers together. And, you know, we didn't want to just do harmonies or just trade off verses or something. And we were thinking about some of our favorite sort of recordings, you know, Elliot Smith and Phil Spector, the Wall of Sound. And a lot of these recordings, doubled double track vocals. So we were like, oh, well, we could just do that live.

[Ryan Seacrest]

I would think that you guys would have had that kind of moment where you were like, you know, this sounds amazing because then for. For those who don't know that, listen in our podcast. You've also, I mean, you've sang with so many people and have collaborated with so many musicians and just like make everything they do sound great. I personally, like, I find myself falling in love with music that I don't know you're on and, and you're on it like, I don't live here anymore. I cover that. I love covering that song.

[Holly Laessig]

I love that song.

[Ryan Seacrest]

I love that song. Such a great song. But then you're on that. And then, you know, Dance around it was like, I mean, I knew that was your song, but Dance around it is like Ronnie and I's theme song in Life, My daughter. And, and, and so just you guys. And it ranges from. I mean, you're everything you do range. It has so much range. And, and we. I love the new single. I'm so Excited that you're allowing us to, you know, give it an exclusive play. And. And. But, I mean, it started. Okay, so you guys. You met in Berkeley, then you went to New York in 07. And what was. So what was your first big break?

[Holly Laessig]

Probably tiny desk, right?

[Jess Wolfe]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Holly Laessig]

I think NPR's tiny desk was. That was kind of the first. Well, we had written Bob Boylan, like, before that a couple of times, Right?

[Jess Wolfe]

Yeah. We had sent him, like, handwritten letters.

[Holly Laessig]

With, like, burned CDs. And then he finally, you know, got in touch with us, and we did a tiny desk. And that was the first time that we started playing shows where people that, like, weren't related to us showed up, and we were like, what's happening here?

[Ryan Seacrest]

Wow.

[Jess Wolfe]

And singing along.

[Holly Laessig]

Yeah. Yeah. And so. So that felt. That really feels like probably the biggest break, and people still bring it up, even though it was ages ago.

[Jess Wolfe]

Yeah.

[Holly Laessig]

Look back and feel like babies doing that.

[Jess Wolfe]

Yeah. I'm like, why did we wear bows in our hair? Why do we do that to ourselves?

[Ryan Seacrest]

Frozen in time oh, my God. Where. How long were you in New York?

[Jess Wolfe]

We were in New York for eight years. Yeah. And it was really fun. It was. It felt like. And I'm sure everyone feels that way about when they're. When they're living in New York, but at the time, it felt like there was just. There was a certain magic happening. Like, I remember, like, going all the jazz clubs. I mean, on. On the weekly. We. We lived with a couple jazz musicians as well, but we just go from. From room to room and hear, you know, John Batiste and Chris, Dave and Robert Glasper. And this was before they were the versions of themselves that, you know now.

[Ryan Seacrest]

So, yeah, that time I was living in New York then, like, the early aughts, and so was my partner, Danny, and they had a band named Chief, and there was just this, like, vibe happening in New York that was like the cabin. Remember the cabin?

[Jess Wolfe]

Yeah.

[Ryan Seacrest]

The club was like, you go down there and every musician that you just either loved or were discovering would be there until, like, 4 in the morning.

[Jess Wolfe]

Yeah.

[Ryan Seacrest]

It was such a. It was such a great time for music.

[Jess Wolfe]

It really was. Yeah. And we took it for granted because that's what you do. But we. We. I mean, took it for granted. I shouldn't say that we. We immersed ourselves, but we didn't know.

[Holly Laessig]

How much of a moment it was. Was, you know, until.

[Jess Wolfe]

Until you're gone.

[Holly Laessig]

Yeah.

[Aaron]

So, yeah, I'm a golfer. I golf. It's what I do. And Arizona has incredible golfing, especially Scottsdale and the fall is the best time to go golf in Scottsdale and Arizona. You know what? If you're looking for a serene escape, fewer crowds than that time of year and the weather is amazing. So the city is always bustling during the major event season like spring training or the WM Phoenix Open, which I've been to.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Sometimes you want a more relaxed getaway and in fall Scottsdale can be all about you. It's perfect for hiking, yoga, guided meditations, horizon horseback riding, and did you know.

[Aaron]

Scottsdale is home to more than 200 area golf courses? Yeah. Told you. This is why I'm going. Go play golf. World class golf.

[Ryan Seacrest]

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[Aaron]

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[Ryan Seacrest]

Oh, yeah. I remember seeing Jack White. I remember seeing the White Stripes at Bowie Ballroom when everyone was, like, clamoring over them to sign them and. And.

[Jess Wolfe]

Or.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Or. Or deciding. I wouldn't even say clamoring, just deciding whether they were going to sign them or not. And I had a friend that was at Virginia, and we went to Bowery and saw, and it was so fucking great. And I was like, you're an idiot if you don't sign this band. Like. Yeah. And they were like these, like, Detroit kids that just were, you know, hopping around, getting bigger and bigger. It was like that. It just. That. That energy around that time was just have. It was awesome.

[Jess Wolfe]

Yeah.

[Ryan Seacrest]

It doesn't exist there anymore like that. No.

[Holly Laessig]

Or it doesn't feel like unless there's a new, younger. I mean, we're out of touch, maybe that we're.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Well, no, because my son's at nyu. He's there. And it really doesn't. It doesn't have the same. It's not for that. For music. It's not. It's not the same. Like, why do you.

[Aaron]

Do you think it's the rise of, like, EDM and more of an electronic vibe or this new sort of era of hip hop, you know, like, what is it that you think. You know, why do you think that that's.

[Jess Wolfe]

Everyone's making music in there.

[Aaron]

Yeah. Right.

[Ryan Seacrest]

It's. It's also really like live music is these venues, like. I think it's expensive. Like.

[Jess Wolfe]

Yeah.

[Ryan Seacrest]

This. Yeah. This idea that going.

[Jess Wolfe]

Because they're just listening or watching elsewhere. I mean, there was the need for community.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Yeah.

[Jess Wolfe]

I think communities made our entire careers.

[Holly Laessig]

Yeah.

[Jess Wolfe]

I think that's like you. I mean, like you said, singing on other people's tracks or, you know, going on tour with whomever, building a. A network in New York. Like. I don't know. It just. I feel like we'd be nothing without everyone in.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Yeah. Now, what was your first big tour?

[Jess Wolfe]

Probably Jack White.

[Holly Laessig]

Yeah.

[Jess Wolfe]

That was probably our first in Europe. Yeah. Mm. That was like our first arena tour. Yeah.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Fun.

[Aaron]

How do you. How does that work out? You just get the call, hey, we want you guys on the bill.

[Jess Wolfe]

Yeah.

[Aaron]

Simple as that.

[Jess Wolfe]

Yeah. I mean, the Dominic again, like this is, you know, friends of friends of friends. But the bassist Dominic was friends. His wife was a childhood friend of our old guitar player and he. They had heard our record and passed it on to Jack and you know, invited us, invited us out, something like that.

[Holly Laessig]

Yeah.

[Jess Wolfe]

I think before that we had done some like, van tours with like J.D. mcPherson. And that was our first, our first, first real tour. Yeah.

[Ryan Seacrest]

What was your first big burnout? Like, get me the fuck off the road. Like, do you remember the moment where you're like, I can't do. I can't. I mean, I know I don't even play music. And I had that like being married to one. I was like, I'm gonna go crazy.

[Holly Laessig]

I think. Well, on Wild Women, our first record, we toured relentlessly and we were driving ourselves in a van and we did radio shows in the morning. Like we drive overnight and then do a radio show at 7 in the morning and then get to the venue. And we were so. How many. We had like two non consecutive weeks off that entire year.

[Jess Wolfe]

Yeah.

[Holly Laessig]

And the end of the year we were in Europe. And I remember like walking the streets of Paris just like a zombie, being like, I'm in Paris.

[Lucius (Band Member or Vocalist)]

Why aren't enjoying this?

[Holly Laessig]

We were just so tired.

[Jess Wolfe]

Yeah. Although have a baby and go on tour and it's a whole new level of exhaustion.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Oh my God. Oh my God. I was the crazy. I mean, a very tour story, but I'll share it. You guys will appreciate this. Chris was headlining Bonnaroo and, and, and Ryder was a year and change and got a 105 fever where he started to become lethargic.

[Jess Wolfe]

Oh, no, no, no.

[Ryan Seacrest]

I had to take him to the Nashville Children's Hospital, get him on a thing. I didn't know what was going on. They had to take X rays.

[Jess Wolfe]

I, I had.

[Ryan Seacrest]

He was on a Ivy. Chris had to get to Bonnaroo. So he took one bus. I had the other bus. I am then now going back. I. The. Finally we left. Now I'm going to Bonnaroo with a sick baby. And then I. And then he starts getting sick again and throwing up everywhere. And I'm calling the doctor and I'm like. I just was like, I just wanted to be home. I sort of get home. I'm on the buzz in the middle of like. Because Bonnaroo, obviously, is a little bit outside of Nashville, and. And finally I called the doctor. He's like, his fever is probably breaking. He's going to be okay. And we finally landed at Bonnaroo, and Ryder was finally, like, calmed down and watching something on the bus. And I just got outside and I looked out at this festival, which is where everybody's coming to, like, celebrate and have a great time and party and have fun. And I was just like, get me off the road. Get me off the road with the baby. It's so. I can't even imagine what it's like for you having to then go. So I hope that never happens to you on your way to Bon.

[Jess Wolfe]

It probably will.

[Ryan Seacrest]

How old is your baby now?

[Jess Wolfe]

Mine is 10 months.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Oh, my God.

[Jess Wolfe]

And we've been on the road since eight weeks. Wow. He's, he's. Thank God. He is so social. Never met a stranger he didn't like.

[Ryan Seacrest]

He's a road baby.

[Jess Wolfe]

He, he. Yeah. Although the sleep, you know, magically, we get on tour and he won't sleep through the night. I'm like, come on, just like, wait till we get home for that.

[Ryan Seacrest]

I know. I, I, I feel like, I feel like it's just better to sleep with the baby because then they sleep better, you know?

[Jess Wolfe]

He won't sleep, he won't sleep in my, my bed, really. He wants his own space. He's an independent man.

[Ryan Seacrest]

How does it feel for you? I mean, eight weeks and you are. I mean, that's hard. That's, like, distinct.

[Jess Wolfe]

And I had a, I had a C section.

[Holly Laessig]

Yeah.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Oh, stop. So you're six weeks of basically not being able to do anything, and two weeks later you're, you're singing.

[Jess Wolfe]

Oh, yeah. I wasn't, I know. I wasn't recovered. I'm still not recovered. Yeah, it was, it was too soon. It was too soon. But, you know, okay. It was, it was special because the year before, at the same festival, we played Brandy Carlisle's festival festival in, In Mexico, and she's a dear friend. And the year before, I had a miscarriage at the festival.

[Aaron]

Wow.

[Jess Wolfe]

So I was wanting to repair.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Yeah. Change that narrative.

[Jess Wolfe]

Full circle moment. So I was sort of determined to be there.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Amazing.

[Aaron]

Pretty cool.

[Ryan Seacrest]

How did that, how did that feel?

[Jess Wolfe]

It felt really powerful. I mean, I don't even think in the moment until we got on stage and she brought him out. I mean, there was like a full Simba moment. And yeah, it felt, it felt really healing and necessary. So I, I, I, I'm glad we did it. I was exhausted, but I'm glad we did it. And Holly, I mean, Holly was eight months pregnant on tour with a toddler. Yeah.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Oh, my God.

[Jess Wolfe]

And no nanny.

[Ryan Seacrest]

We were.

[Jess Wolfe]

We were hiring a different babysitter in each city.

[Holly Laessig]

Yeah. That was maybe the worst.

[Ryan Seacrest]

You guys. You get one nanny for the both of you on. On the road Mambo.

[Holly Laessig]

And we didn't, you know, we were like sharing a bus with.

[Jess Wolfe]

With everyone.

[Holly Laessig]

So.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Yeah.

[Aaron]

Wow.

[Holly Laessig]

In every city and had to re. Explain everything every day.

[Aaron]

So. But back in the day.

[Ryan Seacrest]

I love those guys.

[Aaron]

When you guys, when you guys were touring, you know, back in the day.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Yeah.

[Aaron]

Were you. Did you party? Did you drink? Did you have fun?

[Jess Wolfe]

Yeah. I mean, you know, it's hard to be a heavy. Well, I mean, for some people. For me, it's hard to be a heavy drinker and sing. Like, really sing. So I. I never was a heavy drinker.

[Aaron]

Right.

[Jess Wolfe]

That wasn't my. That wasn't my.

[Aaron]

But it's just funny to see the sort of. From. From the beginning of when there's free birds drinking, having fun to now you're on tour with. With babysitters or with children and it's just a whole fucking different ball game.

[Jess Wolfe]

Different ball game. We definitely partied. We definitely had fun.

[Holly Laessig]

Yeah.

[Jess Wolfe]

We were non stop.

[Holly Laessig]

Yeah.

[Jess Wolfe]

And we didn't know what. What lied ahead. Yeah.

[Holly Laessig]

It's nice, you know, no hangovers now.

[Aaron]

Yeah.

[Jess Wolfe]

Different kind of hangover.

[Ryan Seacrest]

No hangover. I still. I. I feel like even with kids, I still have hangovers.

[Jess Wolfe]

Yeah.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Every once in a while.

[Jess Wolfe]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Aaron]

From. From alcohol, you're saying K. Yeah.

[Ryan Seacrest]

I still go out, like.

[Aaron]

Yep. You just had one? Just this weekend.

[Ryan Seacrest]

I know I had a horrible hangover, but I didn't even drink.

[Jess Wolfe]

Oh.

[Ryan Seacrest]

I woke up. I had a martini and a. And. And white wine. And then I had a glass of white wine and I woke up. Like, I drank a bottle of vodka. It was like, what the. My. My brain felt like it was exploding.

[Holly Laessig]

That's the thing is like.

[Jess Wolfe]

Yeah.

[Holly Laessig]

The tolerance is way down now and I just. I can't. Yeah, I mean, I. I have a couple beers.

[Jess Wolfe]

I love a beer.

[Holly Laessig]

I'm a beer girl.

[Ryan Seacrest]

So is Ollie's wife. I love beer. I love a good beer too. Like a cold. There's nothing like a cold beer, you know?

[Jess Wolfe]

Yeah. A cold shitty beer. Honestly.

[Ryan Seacrest]

I know.

[Jess Wolfe]

Like none of these IPAs.

[Aaron]

Yeah. See, Aaron loves the IPAs.

[Ryan Seacrest]

I like and I feel like.

[Aaron]

Like. Like a Miller. Like a Miller High Life or like a pbr.

[Holly Laessig]

I like, like I like a wheat beer.

[Aaron]

Like. Like a Hefeweizen.

[Jess Wolfe]

Yeah.

[Holly Laessig]

I like a half.

[Ryan Seacrest]

A.

[Aaron]

Half of ice.

[Ryan Seacrest]

I. If I have any alcohol. Before I start saying I sound awful.

[Jess Wolfe]

I mean, it's drying. It's really, like. I mean, you need. You need the hydration. And we're. We're s. We get more and more sensitive as we get a little older, so it's. It's. Makes sense. I have to do so much more than I ever had to do 10 years ago.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Yeah. Now, did you both grow up in very musical households?

[Holly Laessig]

Very artistic? I would say. We both did some music, like, music lovers. And there was some music in my family, too. Piano players and singers and stuff, like, on my dad's side. But in. In my immediate family, it was. There was a lot of visual art. And same with Jess. That was another thing that we kind of connected on.

[Jess Wolfe]

Yeah.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Well, it shows in your. In your whole how you present yourself, you know, and your outfits and how.

[Jess Wolfe]

But.

[Ryan Seacrest]

But. So what did they do?

[Jess Wolfe]

My mom is. I mean, she. She's a. I wouldn't call her a painter per se, but she paints, and she. She's just an artistic person. She. She's worked at The Getty For 28 years, since it opened.

[Aaron]

Oh, wow, cool. I live right near the Gettys. I'm gonna go say hi to her after this.

[Jess Wolfe]

Anytime you want a tour, she's your galaxy. She's just kind of an awesome lady. She's. She's more of, like, an art historian, and she's. Yeah, so she always inspired me. And my dad had great taste in music, so he was the one playing me, you know, tapes and CDs as a young girl. And, you know, he introduced me to Linda Romstadt and Etta James and Aretha and, you know, Roy Orbison. And I was. I was doing a lot of listening. He. He really made me fall in love with music.

[Holly Laessig]

My mom was primarily a weaver until we were little, and then she. She was an art teacher for a while. And my grandfather was a painter, and he was the art director for American Greetings, so both of my folks worked at American Greetings for. For a while as well.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Oh, cool. Yeah, Cleveland, that's like. A weaver is, like, amazing.

[Holly Laessig]

Ohioans weave, too.

[Ryan Seacrest]

I love it. I'm like, wow, that's. So. That makes me so happy, Cleveland.

[Jess Wolfe]

You might be weaving.

[Aaron]

That's. That's gonna go to the tourism board, you know.

[Ryan Seacrest]

So how do you do your outfits? Like, do you have, like. I mean, I'm sure everyone who knows and loves you wants to know how this works. Do you work with a stylist? You do yourself? Do you have someone?

[Aaron]

Yeah, and then I was gonna ask him about that too. Just the evolution too, of just not just your music, but, you know, the aesthetic, like, did that evolve and is it constantly evolving?

[Jess Wolfe]

Yeah, it's evolving. Like with our. You know, we're always creating a different world dependent on the. On the music that's. That's being written, really. We wanted to dress the sounds we.

[Holly Laessig]

Had, you know, because we loved girl groups and we loved. We love visual things and striking things. We had always. That was always going to be an element of it. And we were initially like, coordinating, you know, coordinating our outfits. But then we went to south by very first. South by Southwest that we did. Right.

[Jess Wolfe]

And I think so.

[Holly Laessig]

Friend of ours said, you know what you guys should do should dress exactly the same, like head to toe, everything.

[Jess Wolfe]

Because you sound like one person, so you should look like one person.

[Holly Laessig]

And we both kind of like creepy things.

[Jess Wolfe]

And then we're like, you know, it's like a choir. When you walk, when you see a choir and everyone's in matching robes, you think about a group of people, per se, you think about the sound that they're creating together. When you look at them, you look at as a unit. Yeah. And so we were like. And at the time, we couldn't afford a set or something like that, so we were a walking set. So anytime we'd go to a festival and we had our hair bleached exactly the same way, and our costumes and everything was just our nail polish, everything exactly the same. People were like, who the are they?

[Ryan Seacrest]

It's the best.

[Holly Laessig]

Like, go to this stage at 3pm and check it out. And it there. It served us in those early days, for sure.

[Jess Wolfe]

Yeah.

[Ryan Seacrest]

And who made the cost? Did you have like a friend who made them or did you do them yourself?

[Jess Wolfe]

No, we were just like getting cheap outfits, honestly, and like tailoring them and then. But just like finding weird shit online or whatever. And now, you know, we have a couple of people that do our embroidery. Like Fort Lonesome does our embroidery. We have a tailor in LA that if we have a wild idea, he'll. I'll find some fabric and he'll sew it together. We've done some stuff with Christian Joy, who does a lot of Karen O's stuff. Our friend Amy, when we need help, especially like as a group, helping the. The guys dress and stuff. Amy Soderland, she. She dresses us, but normally it's. Normally it's us.

[Ryan Seacrest]

I love it. Fun.

[Jess Wolfe]

Although a full time job finding costumes and, and, and figuring it out. So, you know, at some point it'd be nice.

[Ryan Seacrest]

I feel like it's like I don't know how to explain that to people but that's like, like I love like playing dress up is something I will do until I die.

[Holly Laessig]

Yeah.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Because just so much fun.

[Jess Wolfe]

It was sort of a happy accident but we both wanted to be lead singers in the band, but we wanted to be lead singers together. And a lot of the records that we loved so much were, you know, Elliot Smith and Phil Spector. Although like wall of sound recordings and a lot of those recordings there were double tracked vocals. So we sort of were like, well we could, we could do this in the studio, but we could do it live. And a lot of people don't do that. You know, we don't know many people who do that. Like the roaches maybe or you know, some. Not that many people. So we, we started doing that and it was a very natural fit. Separately we have very different voices, different timbers, but together it does create this sort of unusual, unusual thing. And.

[Holly Laessig]

Yeah, and I think like, because we have these two different timbres, we can get more dynamic out of our, our sound because we can play to whoever strength is happening.

[Ryan Seacrest]

At which point, you know, do you guys ever fight?

[Jess Wolfe]

Not really.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Not really.

[Holly Laessig]

We fought a few, couple times.

[Jess Wolfe]

Yeah. A couple times in 20 years though.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Yeah.

[Jess Wolfe]

Yeah. There's been like two like I'm. I'm leaving. Yeah, moment and then like 10 minutes later, you know, it's over.

[Holly Laessig]

I just think we're, it's.

[Jess Wolfe]

It.

[Holly Laessig]

It's kind of like the voices is that the personalities are different enough to be really complementary and we have different strengths. So we're not really like yeah, it's not.

[Ryan Seacrest]

And when you work with other people, do. Are you writing with them or like do you, do you do writing sessions?

[Jess Wolfe]

We write together or we just do like vocal arrangements. You know, a lot of times people just want us to come and do their, do our thing in their world. And so you know, we've been given thankfully a lot of freedom to just go in there and, and you know, paint.

[Aaron]

Have you been offered collaborations or done collaborations where you get the call and you're like this is weird but let's give this a shot. You know what I mean?

[Holly Laessig]

I mean we've had like kind of from all like very different worlds have reached to us and so not like, oh, this is super weird because we like all different kinds of Music. And I think that's maybe what's attractive for other people. But it is funny when you see some of the artists that we've worked with, like side to side and you're like, that's wild.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Yeah. It's like completely different walks of music.

[Jess Wolfe]

Yeah.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Was there a moment when someone called you and you were like, oh.

[Aaron]

Cool.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Like, was that like a first kind.

[Jess Wolfe]

Of artist, first time that like, we were invited to come sing with Roger. We were. Roger Waters.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Yeah.

[Jess Wolfe]

And do the Pink Floyd thing. We were sort of like, that was the first sort of time on that scale.

[Holly Laessig]

Yeah.

[Jess Wolfe]

And we didn't know what to expect. We were told we were going to sing on two songs. We were doing a sort of. He wasn't announced, so like a. A surprise appearance at Newport Folk Fest in Rhode island, which is a very special place in itself. And my Wearing Jacket was to be the backup band. And Holly and I were going to sing and Roger was coming. So we were learning all these Floyd songs. Well, two of them. And we had written Roger, like, if there's anything else, because we had seen the set list. We're like, there's a lot of potential songs on here that we could sing on. And he wrote back. Cool. Dash R. Yeah. So we sort of were like, let's just learn it in case. Because you never know, you know, and we get there and we sing through these songs. It's great. You could tell he was into it. We sit down to just admire the. The rest of the. The set, the rehearsal. And he starts playing through the verse of another song and he stops and he looks over at us and he yells. Yells. We were like. And Jim James is. He's like, oh, no, they're not singing on this song. And he's like, they're singing on every song. Yeah.

[Holly Laessig]

And the show is. Yeah.

[Aaron]

Wow.

[Holly Laessig]

We went back to the hotel and just like crammed vinyls all night.

[Jess Wolfe]

Oh, how.

[Ryan Seacrest]

How like exciting.

[Jess Wolfe]

It was epic. I mean, like, I remember the rain was pouring down during Mother. And then the clouds parted and you know, we did. Wish you were here. Something clips of. Yeah.

[Holly Laessig]

Eclipse.

[Jess Wolfe]

Right. A rainbow came out. I mean it was. It was just like, yeah, Captain for sure. And yeah. I mean that was a pretty magical. Magical moment. You can't really write those ones.

[Ryan Seacrest]

That's so cool. I know you guys like to work with David Cobb a lot, but are there any sort of producers or writers that just like you feel like really are just magic?

[Jess Wolfe]

John Everett.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Yeah.

[Jess Wolfe]

Sean Everett's a long time collaborator. He first mixed our he mixed our first record.

[Holly Laessig]

He connected us with War on Drugs for that. So he did that. I Don't Live Here. He did all those.

[Jess Wolfe]

All those records we were sort of making simultaneously and trading off days in the studio. And so that's how we met Adam. And he's just one of the. He's the most creative person I think we've ever met. He's just one of those people that there is nothing that can't be done and everything that can be done. He's definitely a maximalist. But watching him is like watching, I don't know, Basquiat or something. It's like. It's just astonishing. How so?

[Ryan Seacrest]

For him, like, more is more. Like, more is like, just, like, let's just. In terms of layering and. Yes.

[Jess Wolfe]

In terms of exploring creative worlds. Yeah.

[Holly Laessig]

And he wants to be creative with you. And he's so nice. He's Canadian. He's like the nicest guy I've ever met. This is so pleasant to be around. But. But, yeah, like, if you let him go, he will just, like, go forever.

[Ryan Seacrest]

So it's so great. It's so fun.

[Jess Wolfe]

Highly recommend. And just. Yeah, he's just the greatest. He's just the greatest guy. So we've made a few records together and will probably make more at some point.

[Holly Laessig]

Yeah.

[Ryan Seacrest]

So you're on the road right now or you're getting back on the road?

[Holly Laessig]

We're getting back on the road at the end of the month.

[Jess Wolfe]

Yeah, we released a record in May. May 2nd. Five, two, five. Yeah.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Oh, so you released the record. So this is a new single?

[Jess Wolfe]

This is a new single.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Okay, so this isn't attached to the. The record in May.

[Jess Wolfe]

It is.

[Holly Laessig]

It is.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Okay.

[Jess Wolfe]

Ordered it at the same. At the same time.

[Ryan Seacrest]

And.

[Holly Laessig]

Yeah, we had a couple songs that were part of those sessions and kind of part of the world of the record, but could live on their own as singles, so.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Right.

[Aaron]

So, yeah, I'm a golfer. I golf. It's what I do. And Arizona has incredible golfing, especially Scottsdale. And the fall is the best time to go golf in Scottsdale and Arizona. You know what? If you're looking for a serene escape, fewer crowds than that time of year, and the weather is amazing. So the city is always bustling during the major event season, like spring training or the WM Phoenix Open, which I've been to.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Sometimes you want a more relaxed getaway. And in fall, Scottsdale can be all about you. It's perfect for hiking, yoga, guided meditations, horseback riding.

[Aaron]

And did you know Scottsdale is home to more than 200 area golf courses. Mm, yeah. Told you. This is why I'm going. Go play golf. World class golf.

[Ryan Seacrest]

There's also Scottsdale's Old Town district. All walkable with world class shops and restaurants. You won't be bored.

[Aaron]

There's still tons to do there in the fall. Dreamy Draw Music festival is always a good vibe. Canal Convergence is a cool annual art event at the Scottsdale waterfront. And it gets decked out for the holidays, including Scott's Dazzle when Old Town gets all festive and all lit. So you gotta go visit unwindinscotsdale.com today. Hey guys. Holidays are approaching, but there is so much that goes into getting ready to host. Do we have everything for the big family dinner table? Does the guest room need new bedding? Kids room? They could use a refresh. Getting them to help decorate may motivate them to keep it clean through the holidays. So that's where Wayfair comes in. They have what you need to personalize your home for the holidays. They got Christmas trees, wreaths, or inflatables for the front yard. Wayfair is your one stop shop for holiday decor. And until I can give my kitchen a full makeover, I can spruce it up with new cookware from Wayfair. So I just recently ordered some stuff. I got lamps. I needed lamps. I needed some beautiful holiday lamps to sort of go in my, my living room, in my bar. And you know, I picked them because they were, they were festive. They really brought out sort of the holidays and what I want to do specifically with these rooms. It looks amazing. It came fast, delivery was easy, it was free. Wayfair's huge selection of home items in every style makes it easy to find exactly what's right for you and also a great place to pick up some gifts. So get something for your home and something for theirs. Easy. And do it early so you can enjoy the holidays with the family. Get organized, refreshed and ready for the holidays. For way less, head to Wayfair.com right now to shop all things home. That's W-A-Y-F-A-I-R.com Wayfair Every style, every home.

[Ryan Seacrest]

You know that feeling when you're on an island vacation, sun on your face, cocktail in hand, no deadlines or demands. That's Tommy Bahama. In their world, the living's always easy, the drinks are always good, and you. And summer lasts forever. Seriously, Tommy Bahama knows how to take you to your happy place. From their signature prints to their flattering fits. It's like if style and vacation had a baby. Effortless. It's sophisticated, it's art, it's giving. I'm on a beach somewhere and no, I cannot come to the phone right now. And it's not just for me. Their menswear is designed with the same next level comfort and feel good fabric so everyone could get in on the getaway. And Tommy Bahama restaurants and bars don't even get me started. I actually go to them because I love the desert and there is a Tommy Bahama restaurant in the desert and my son and I go there all the time. We drink Mai tais, we have good vibes and it's the world's best coconut shrimp served daily, full on relaxation mode. So if you are into craftsmanship, quality and making every day feel like a vacay, Tommy Bahama is where it's at. Check them out tommybahama.com and find a restaurant, bar or stay store near you. That's Tommy Bahama.com if you've got dogs.

[Aaron]

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[Jess Wolfe]

It depends. It depends. We've taken five or six years. We've taken two years.

[Aaron]

Yeah.

[Jess Wolfe]

This one is. Comes two years after our previous record, so. And this one feels really.

[Ryan Seacrest]

It's awesome. It's the one. You sent it to me. I got it. And that's what I was wondering, because it's a new. It's a single. So I was like, is this, like, a new album? Right, but. So this is. Are you gonna put out a deluxe?

[Jess Wolfe]

I think. I think so. I think that's what you do at some point, right? I think, yeah.

[Ryan Seacrest]

But I got, like, coffee.

[Jess Wolfe]

Yeah, my neighbor brews his own coffee.

[Ryan Seacrest]

I got all the, like, goods. And I was like, this is the best. It was the best.

[Jess Wolfe]

My mom made the cookies.

[Ryan Seacrest]

The cookies were so yummy. I was like, this is like, so. Ollie, they sent me the vinyl.

[Jess Wolfe]

Oliver, we'll send you the vinyl, too.

[Aaron]

Yeah, yeah. Just the cookies or the cookies.

[Ryan Seacrest]

And I was like, oh, my God. Everything about this I loved. And the album's just amazing, you guys. I'm such a. I mean, you can tell I'm such a big fan, but I. I just. I love what you do. And you're.

[Jess Wolfe]

You. You.

[Ryan Seacrest]

You know, I'm just excited for you that, like, in these last. I'd say, what, like, five years, that you guys have just become, like, so much even more known in the music world. And it's so cool.

[Aaron]

Do you like the exposure? I mean, do you like being known? Was part of your goal, being famous, or was it just the music or.

[Jess Wolfe]

I don't think we're famous.

[Aaron]

Yeah, we're not famous.

[Ryan Seacrest]

But you kind of are.

[Jess Wolfe]

Almost famous, but you kind of are.

[Ryan Seacrest]

I mean, like.

[Aaron]

Okay, then let me. Let me rephrase it. Do you want to be famous? Do you want to have people, everyone know who. Who you are?

[Jess Wolfe]

I think we.

[Holly Laessig]

I mean, I can only speak for myself, but just the ability to continue making music and have it be sustainable and, and you know.

[Jess Wolfe]

Have flexibility in, in our lives in a way that, you know. Yeah. Yeah.

[Holly Laessig]

And then, you know, part of making this, this up, this most current record was to, you know, bring ourselves into the focus again a little bit because we had collaborated so much with other people and we wanted to remind others, but also ourselves, you know, that we're songwriters and we're, we're singers and we've got things to say and all that.

[Aaron]

How much does the, how much does the business side of this industry play into what you do? I know it has to obviously at some point.

[Jess Wolfe]

Point.

[Aaron]

But you know, are you business focused or are you just way more creative focused?

[Jess Wolfe]

You have, you have to be. It has to go hand in hand. I mean, we have a hard time with the tick tocking and things.

[Aaron]

Yeah.

[Jess Wolfe]

Just does not come. We didn't come up with that stuff. So it's just, it's so not, it's so unnatural to us. I think there's a way to create a language that feels natural. We just haven't figured what that is yet that in that medium. But you know, you have to, you have to be focused in areas outside of. You have to be creative in, in business as well as in, in the actual performance part of things. Because, you know, it's, it's part of what makes people clever and makes people, puts people out there and you know, there's a lot of people trying to do what we do and who are really talented and some people, you know, some of the most talented people I'm sure we all know, don't ever figure it out. Yeah, it's not for lack of talent. Yeah.

[Ryan Seacrest]

It's really, it's. It's such a hard business.

[Aaron]

I mean, do you attribute that to luck?

[Jess Wolfe]

I think it's, it, it's like the, the meeting of like luck, talent, hard work and. Yeah, I mean, I guess being in the right place at the right time is right. Yeah.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Well, you also said community. I think that's a big one, you know, because like, I know you know it as, as it is a small community. So when you start to like create with different people and meet different people throughout, like you start to have these connections. It's like I remember David Foster saying, like he's, he always says, I mean, he's a completely different beast, but he's just like network, network, network. Like networking is half the battle.

[Jess Wolfe]

Yeah.

[Ryan Seacrest]

And for so many musicians, it's like that's like putting Them into a position. Like what, what, like networking. It's not what I do. I want to go into my hole in my cave and I want to create music. I don't want to like, sell. So it's like, it's, it's such a hard business to kind of like get out there. Unless you have some kind of break, unless the timing or, or, or you have a friend who is more like that, who knows what you're, what, you know, what you're capable of, or someone who's played on something and you're like, oh my God, he's, this guy's so amazing on keys. You should meet him and play with him and then.

[Jess Wolfe]

Right.

[Ryan Seacrest]

It's sort of, that's so much a part of how people. But like, I think the thing is, I always say this about any arts really, but like music in particular. It's so expensive, Oliver, to like tour. So even if you have, even if you have like people listening and the ability to, you know, go out and, you know, maybe play a show and sell out a club or something, you still have to pay so many people. And then the second you get a deal, then you're paying that person and then you're paying another. And musicians like, come home with. Unless you're at a certain level, if you're not touring all the time. All the time. All the time. You're not making any money.

[Jess Wolfe]

Oh yeah. You're lucky if you're breaking even.

[Holly Laessig]

Yeah.

[Jess Wolfe]

Considered a win. Yeah.

[Aaron]

Yeah.

[Jess Wolfe]

Which is really sad. I mean, it, it, and it's getting harder because it's getting more expensive.

[Aaron]

Yeah, yeah.

[Jess Wolfe]

It's, it's, it's, it's.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Yeah. No, I mean, not to bring this down, but it is. But you know, I, I, I always say like, it's like you said, like to be able to just do it, you know, to be able to have it be something you can do and sustain and is, is so such a blessing. So how long is this next leg?

[Jess Wolfe]

We have three weeks in October and then two and a half weeks in November.

[Holly Laessig]

Yeah.

[Jess Wolfe]

And then we're done for the year. Yeah.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Great.

[Jess Wolfe]

Which will be nice. We'll be home for the holidays. Pretty much end in la. You guys should come.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Oh, a thousand percent.

[Aaron]

The wheel turn.

[Jess Wolfe]

It's exciting. An anniversary of your, of your debut film. Right.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Almost famous 25 years.

[Jess Wolfe]

Wow. Really close with Cameron.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Yes. He's got a book coming out and.

[Jess Wolfe]

And, and working on a movie and.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Working on a really exciting movie. Are you guys going to help?

[Jess Wolfe]

I think maybe. Yeah.

[Aaron]

Yes.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Where else are you guys going to play? Will you send it to us so that. Or what? Or like have someone send us your.

[Jess Wolfe]

Yeah.

[Ryan Seacrest]

So I can come find.

[Jess Wolfe]

We'll always play la. They'll. Yeah, they'll be. There'll be other time.

[Ryan Seacrest]

I loved every second of this. I feel like we need to end with our normal question. Even though it's usually for siblings. I feel like you guys are basically siblings.

[Aaron]

Yeah, that's. That's a good one for them.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Okay, so the two part question is, the first part is if you could emulate something like more like something that you could emulate from the other that you wish you had more of, what would that be? And then the other part of the question is alleviate. Like if you could take something from the other person and make their life lighter or easier, what would that be be?

[Holly Laessig]

For me, it would be like the social boldness that she has. I just don't have that in me. And I would. I would like some of that. I think that would be. And alleviate. I mean, the first thing I think of is just like take your baby for a day. Give you a break, you know, that kind of thing.

[Jess Wolfe]

Thank you. You can.

[Aaron]

That can happen.

[Holly Laessig]

And then can I give you mine?

[Jess Wolfe]

Wait, that does. That doesn't help me. We can though. Mine is okay. For Hollywood, the thing that I wish I had that she has is just the ability to. She's just so thoughtful. Like, just the ability to pause and really like examine her words before she spews things out. Like I do sometimes just has a way with her words. And I wish I had that, that like gentle thoughtfulness that she has. And alleviate. I mean, you know, I wish that I could just send you on a big ass free vacation, pay all your bills, maybe win the lottery too. But you'll share it with me, right? Yeah. Okay.

[Ryan Seacrest]

I love it. You guys, thank you for coming on.

[Aaron]

This was amazing.

[Ryan Seacrest]

And we're gonna play the single.

[Aaron]

We have the exclusive Thickest Thieves.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Thickest Thieves. And. And it's gonna be on our, you know, in our. Downloadable on our podcast for the next two days before it comes out. And I just can't wait to see you in person.

[Jess Wolfe]

Yeah, let's hang.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Let's hang.

[Jess Wolfe]

Music or cook or something. All of it.

[Ryan Seacrest]

I'm down. I'm down, I'm down. Thank you so much.

[Holly Laessig]

Thank you.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Yeah, I'll talk to you soon.

[Jess Wolfe]

Yeah. Bye, guys.

[Aaron]

Bye, guys.

[Jess Wolfe]

Bye. Thank you so much.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Aren't they great?

[Aaron]

Yeah, they're cool.

[Ryan Seacrest]

I love, I love, like the musician brain. I Just like the. So specific. And there's such. These, like, if you watch them, they're so amazing and they sound like you should listen to them live. They're just perfection. I just. Anybody listening that loves music, just go deep on Lucius. They're just.

[Aaron]

They're just worth it.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Yeah. Silver Lake, man. Silver Lake. All right. I love you.

[Aaron]

Well, we have the exclusive that's going to be playing.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Yes.

[Aaron]

Right now.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Right now.

[Aaron]

Ready and push. Play.

[Lucius (Band Member or Vocalist)]

Gone in the fallen leave Lost in.

[Jess Wolfe]

The marching.

[Lucius (Band Member or Vocalist)]

Drunk again He was a mean old man Too young to understand.

[Jess Wolfe]

In.

[Lucius (Band Member or Vocalist)]

We were looking for something want to be the winner just for once? So we'd run under the bleachers, Everyone was cheering and pretend it was for us oh, pretend it was for us we don't wanna go home oh, anywhere we go the sun so high the breeze feels so good but it rarely comes around. You just want to love who you love our. We were looking for something Wanna be the winner just for once. So we'd run under the beaches where everyone was cheering and pretend it was desperate. We were looking for something Want to be the winner just for once? So we run under the. Everyone was cheering and pretend it was you. I saw you. Now.

[Ryan Seacrest]

You know that feeling when you're on an island vacation. Sun on your face, cocktail in hand, no deadlines or demands. That's Tommy Bahama. In their world, the living's always easy, the drinks are always good and summer lasts forever. Seriously, Tommy Bahama knows how to take you to your happy place. From their signature prints to their flattering fits, it's like if style and vacation had a baby. Effortless. It's sophisticated, it's art, it's giving. I'm on a beach somewhere and no, I cannot come to the phone right now. And it's not just for me. Their menswear is designed with the same next level comfort and feel good fabric so everyone could get in on the getaway. And Tommy Bahama restaurants and bars don't even get me started. I actually go to them because I love the desert. And there is a Tommy Bahama restaurant in the desert and my son and I go there all the time. We drink Mai tais, we have good vibes and it's the world's best coconut shrimp served daily, full on relaxation mode. So if you are into craftsmanship, quality and making every day feel like a vacay, Tommy Bahama is where it's at. Check them out tommybahama.com and find a restaurant, bar or sit store near you. That's Tommy Bahama.com if you're looking for.

[Aaron]

A serene escape this fall, fewer crowds and amazing weather, you know where you need to go. Go to Scottsdale, Arizona. The city is bustling during spring training, but in fall Scottsdale can be all about you. It's perfect for hiking, yoga, guided meditations, horseback riding, and did you know Scottsdale? It's home to more than 200 area golf courses. This is why I go to Scottsdale to play golf in the fall, because that's when the weather is great. It's not too hot, it's not too cold. It's perfect. There's also Scottsdale's old town districts, all walkable with world class shops and restaurants. And I hear Dreamy Drum Music Festival is always a good vibe. So so that's it Aaron. We're going visit unwindinscotsdale.com today. Nothing in life is free. Except this free $10 that better picks is offering. Download the Better app, pick more or less on player stats, watch the games and win some cash. It's that simple. Must be 21 or older in a jurisdiction where Better Picks operates. Terms and conditions apply. Better Picks Sports just got better.

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[Ryan Seacrest]

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[Aaron]

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[Ryan Seacrest]

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