The One With Salina EsTitties

Summary

Sibling Rivalry – “The One With Salina EsTitties”

Aired: December 20, 2023
Hosts: Bob The Drag Queen & Monét X Change
Guest: Salina EsTitties

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Main Theme & Purpose

This multifaceted and uproarious episode of Sibling Rivalry features special guest Salina EsTitties (Drag Race Season 15 alum). Bob is absent, so Monét helms the conversation, diving deep with Salina into topics like queer experiences, the difference between LA and NY drag, sexual culture (bathhouses, cruising, “the second hole”), pop culture, and, most memorably, Salina’s wild account of being arrested in a sting operation at Crunch Gym. The episode’s blend of candid sex talk, drag artistry, and sharp humor is as revealing as it is entertaining.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Drag, Holidays, and Party Planning (03:00–07:00)

• Catch-up and banter about prepping for a fancy Hollywood Christmas party.
• Salina’s excitement about her new Godoy-designed outfit, referencing “Next In Fashion.”
• Talk of who in LA drag is planning to show up fully in drag and considerations around being in drag at high-profile events.
  • Salina: “You’re gonna be that girl who doesn’t need to be in drag; they all know your name already, mommy.” (05:35)

2. Changing Representations in Media (07:00–11:00)

• Recap of Salina’s experience viewing the new “Mean Girls” musical movie.
  • Notable for increased inclusion and body positivity compared to the original film.
  • Salina: “No one's really, like, super skinny...this is what America looks like. It's not like the ideal anymore.” (08:02)
• Discussion of Renee Rapp’s career and talents, both in music and as a rising star.
• Monét’s view on beauty standards and personal preferences for curvier bodies, riffing on growing up in the Caribbean.

3. Candid Sex Talk: Dick Sizes, “Second Hole” & Cruising (11:01–17:00)

• The duo hilariously trade stories about sexual experiences and preferences for dick size.
  • Monét: “Six and a half, seven is a big dick. We have come to this thing that if your dick ain't nine inches, it ain't big enough. That is a fucking lie.” (12:20)
• They unpack the myth/legend of the “second hole” in anal sex, complete with laughter and anatomical debates.
• Conversation drifts to the omnipresence of gay sex at parties, in dark rooms, and other venues.

4. Peppermint Appreciation and Legendary Drag Parties (15:53–17:00)

• Peppermint is praised as the “joyful chaos” at any party.
  • Monét: “She is so much self-contained chaos...I am very happy.” (16:09)
• Reminiscing about legendary drag game nights and the unique energy queens bring to social gatherings.

5. LA vs. NY Drag, Performing on Scooters, and Audience Dynamics (19:02–22:42)

• Salina shares her beginnings as a NY drag fan and performer, shuttling to gigs via electric scooter.
• LA’s drag patrons are depicted as influencer types, passive audience members, while NY crowds are “theater people” who engage vocally.
  • Salina: “In LA, the gays here think they're the divas. They sit at drag shows like this. In New York...they know how to be a good audience.” (21:44)
• Differences in drag performance style (theatrical NY vs. influencer LA) are explained.

6. Lip Syncing, Drag Race Secrets, and Tips Hustling (24:40–26:50)

• Both queens talk about choreographing lipsyncs for Drag Race and at bars—balancing performance with collecting tips.
  • Selina: “When you have a choreographed number for a drag lip sync at a bar, there's no time to collect tips, so you're not making any money.” (26:16)
• Pixie Aventura is cited as a queen who prioritizes performance even at the expense of tips.

7. Online Culture & Drag Drama (27:23–30:12)

• Discussion about social media “trolling,” particularly Mistress Isabelle Brooks’ spicy tweets about banning reveals in Drag Race finale lip syncs.
• Trixie Mattel’s social media prowess is lauded (“Trixie can take a fucking shit...and people are like, you know what I mean?” (28:33)).

8. Jorge Santos & Ziwe Interview Analysis (28:43–33:00)

• Deep dive into the viral/interview moment between satirist Ziwe and disgraced congressman George Santos.
  • Monét: “She did a great job of showing what a fucking idiot he is. She let him dig his own hole.” (29:35)
• Comparison to serial killer celebrity culture: “He gives me serial killer famous energy. Like, he just wants to be famous so bad...” – Salina (31:27)
• Commentary on queerness, representation, and the perils of platforming problematic figures.

9. Bathhouses, Cruising, and Queer Socialization (33:31–44:35)

• Extended, explicit discussion on gay men’s spaces for sex and connection—bathhouses, cruising parks (“Vaseline Alley”), and the impact of being recognized post-Drag Race.
  • Salina details the politics and shifting locations of cruisy parks and encounters.
• A major story: Salina’s own arrest in a sting operation at Crunch’s steam room, set up by an undercover cop on her birthday.
  • Salina: “There was an undercover cop in the steam room...He flashes me his dick and says, follow me...” (37:04)
• The aftermath: how the entrapment was challenged in court, and what happened to the other men involved.
• Discussions on how queerness, secrecy, and sneakiness around sex are often internalized from growing up marginalized.
  • Salina: “As gay men...we grow up learning that our sex has to be sneaky because we're not allowed to learn about it.” (43:31)

10. Furries, Fetishes, and Sex Culture (45:00–47:00)

• The pair marvel at furries showing up in full suits at the nude beach, speculate on built-in cooling fans in costumes, and reflect on kink, representation, and curiosity—always with respect and humor.

11. Celebrity Hookups & Sex in the Age of Fame (47:40–50:19)

• Salina recounts the agony and thrill of being recognized (and not recognized) at sex parties and bathhouses as a known drag queen.
• Monét: “When you are gay, famous, the world is your oyster. Any dick you want, you can have if you want it bad enough.” (50:10)

12. Sewing, Skills, and Glam Slam (50:40–52:00)

• Salina shares how she learned her notable sewing and patterning skills from drag peer Godoy and YouTube.

13. Drag Race, All Stars, and Reputation (57:25–59:23)

• Will Salina return for All Stars? She’s keen, but “I just feel like the Ross Matthews thing really put a bad taste in their mouth and Rue's mouth, so I've just been trying to wash that out.” (57:45)
• Monét assures her, “They may take a little while, but they get over everything. After all the shit India Farrah said about Drag Race and RuPaul...they put her back on the show.” (58:17)
• Discussion of proving herself outside the show before returning.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

| Timestamp | Quote | Speaker | |---|---|---| | 08:02 | “No one's really, like, super skinny...this is what America looks like. It's not like the ideal anymore.” | Salina | | 12:20 | “Six and a half, seven is a big dick. We have come to this thing that if your dick ain't nine inches, it ain't big enough. That is a fucking lie.” | Monét | | 21:44 | “In LA, the gays here think they're the divas. They sit at drag shows like this. In New York...they know how to be a good audience.” | Salina | | 29:35 | “She did a great job of showing what a fucking idiot he is. She let him dig his own hole.” | Monét | | 31:27 | “He gives me serial killer famous energy. Like, he just wants to be famous so bad...” | Salina | | 37:04 | “There was an undercover cop in the steam room...He flashes me his dick and says, follow me...” | Salina | | 50:10 | “When you are gay, famous, the world is your oyster. Any dick you want, you can have if you want it bad enough.” | Monét |

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Important Segment Timestamps

• Holiday Party Kiki & Drag Preparation: 03:00–07:00
• Mean Girls, Representation, Renee Rapp: 07:01–11:00
• “Second Hole” & Sex Positivity Riff: 11:01–17:00
• Peppermint Party Hype: 15:53–17:00
• Experiences in LA vs NY Drag: 19:02–22:42
• Lip Sync Planning & Tips Strategy: 24:40–26:50
• Online Trolling & Drag Race Drama: 27:23–30:12
• Jorge Santos on Ziwe & Celebrity ‘Delulu’ Energy: 28:43–33:00
• Bathhouses & Salina’s Arrest Story: 33:31–44:35
• Furries, Fetishes, Sex Culture: 45:00–47:00
• Celebrity Hookups & Navigating Fame: 47:40–50:19
• Sewing Skills Reveal: 50:40–52:00
• All Stars, Showbiz Redemption: 57:25–59:23

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Overall Tone & Takeaways

The episode is explicit, uproarious, and open-hearted—a celebration of queer culture both poignant and hilarious. Monét and Salina keep it real, talking about the nitty-gritty of sex, fame, and drag (with plenty of shade), making the conversation feel like an after-hours VIP green room gossip session.

Perfect for: Drag fans, queer listeners, and anyone who loves unfiltered, insightful podcasting with a high dose of comedy.

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Episode Standout

Salina’s Crunch Gym arrest story (36:41–41:16) is a wild, never-before-told tale about entrapment and the real dangers queer people still face, all told with signature wit and resilience. If you listen to just one segment, make it this one.

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“I wonder if my mug shot is out there because they took a mug shot. I don't know where it is, though.” – Salina EsTitties (41:34)

Transcript

[Selena Estiddies]

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[Monet X Change]

and it thinks about the customer more than anything.

[Selena Estiddies]

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[Monet X Change]

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[Selena Estiddies]

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[Monet X Change]

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[Selena Estiddies]

All.

[Monet X Change]

Netflix is a joke, and me and Monet happen to be absolutely hilarious. Sylvia Roberts, going around the world. And by around the world, I mean literally San Francisco and la, so kind of just California. So if you want to come see us for the Netflix is a Joke Festival, it's going to be on May 5, which is. Which is my mom's. Well, almost my mom's birthday. Come see us and go to monetexchange.com to get tickets. Well, what's your mom's birthday? May 9th. Okay, go to seethedradqueen.com and get your tickets. That's not your mom's birthday. It's almost. My name is Bob the Drag Queen, and I'm Monet X Change. And this is sibling rivalry.

[Selena Estiddies]

On this week's episode, we talk about Jorge Santos on Z Way.

[Monet X Change]

We welcome Selena Estiddies to the pod. And she tells us about the sting operation that got her arrested at Crunch.

[Selena Estiddies]

And we find out what made Monet say this.

[Monet X Change]

You can be at a show in the UK and light your pussy on fire. They're like. And we find out what made Selena say this.

[Selena Estiddies]

I wonder if my mugshot is out there because they took a mugshot. I don't know where it is though.

[Monet X Change]

Ladies and gentlemen, on the sibling Rivalry pod is our Latina sister. Bob used to babysit both of us at the same time. And he used to get mad because we used to be like rugrats when we used to start pulling Bob's hair. Well, his non existent hair and beating Bob up. Y', all, please welcome Selena Estitties.

[Selena Estiddies]

Hello, hello. Hello, siblings, aunties.

[Monet X Change]

How are you?

[Selena Estiddies]

Well, I'll give a shout out to the cousins too.

[Monet X Change]

No, the cousins are messy and they are wild.

[Selena Estiddies]

Listen, I was a cousin for a minute, then I got Drag Race money and now I'm an auntie. So.

[Monet X Change]

Hey, how you doing, girl?

[Selena Estiddies]

I'm so excited for Christmas. Santa's gonna give me so many gifts and I'm gonna give him some cookies and milk, baby.

[Monet X Change]

So before we started. So Selena and I are both going to a little a very fancy, high profile Hollywood Christmas party tonight. And I met with one of another, a local legendary legend, drag queen Godoy. Cause she's making a costume for me. And then I was like, oh, yeah. Oh, she's going to the party too. Because Godoy was on Next in Fashion, which I just watched. I was bored at my hotel watching old episodes of Next in Fashion on season one. Did you know that Marco. Marco was on there? I didn't know that.

[Selena Estiddies]

Yes. And I think that was part of Godoy's storyline. Cause Godoy worked with Marco. Marco for so long too, that like, Marco was my mentor at first. Whatever.

[Monet X Change]

Got it. That's why they cared. I was like, I didn't know Marco. Marco was on there.

[Selena Estiddies]

Yeah. Isn't that crazy? And with Ashton Mike. Is that his name? Ashton Michael. He's so Ashton.

[Monet X Change]

Is he a popular designer? No, Shade. It's not Shade. I don't know who he is.

[Selena Estiddies]

Yes, he makes amazing leather pieces and I want him to give me his cookies.

[Monet X Change]

Oh, he's. Ashlyn is very cute, very attractive. But in y' all so in Next to Fashion, it's really good. There's an episode, a Fucking metal pole falls from the thing and lacerates Marco in the middle of his face. He is bleeding all over the set. You didn't watch it?

[Selena Estiddies]

I didn't watch that. I don't remember that part.

[Monet X Change]

Oh, bitch. He was bleeding everywhere. I was like, girl, I hope you sued the pants on him. Cause he was like, it busted. He had to. Like, it was crazy. But anyway, so yeah, there's this holiday party for Netflix. And then I was like, so I could do it. I was like, girl, are you gonna get just in drag tonight? She's like, yeah, me and Selena go in drag. I'm making the Z outfits. I was like, and then Trixie's gonna be in drag. And I texted mix. She's like, yeah, I think I'm going to drag. So I'm like, should I go in drag? Maybe I should go in drag. But there's no time now. There's no time.

[Selena Estiddies]

No time. That's why I came to this in drag, so I can just go straight to the party afterwards. But you know what? You're gonna be that girl who doesn't need to be in Dragon. They all know your name already, Mommy.

[Monet X Change]

Like, no, they don't know my name. If they know my name, they should book me more.

[Selena Estiddies]

Don't you do it. Don't you do something for Netflix?

[Monet X Change]

I do, I do, I do, I do. But for Netflix uk, the British girl. Different. The British girl. The Vivian. Yes.

[Selena Estiddies]

Just kidding. I love her.

[Monet X Change]

But it's Netflix uk. So, like, a lot of these companies, even though they're the same umbrella, they be. I mean, obviously. I mean, I'm a little stupid, but they're like completely night and day teams that handle both. The people in Netflix UK do not know the people over at Netflix. Although I was supposed to do something for Netflix last week. Netflix Us. But I was in Iceland, so I had to. I missed out on the opportunity. I'm like, great. They're never gonna ask me ever again.

[Selena Estiddies]

That's how Drag Race is. Like, the people who film Drag Race are way different from the people who do promo or, like, you know, Pit Stop. They're different entities.

[Monet X Change]

Right. But you look very cute. Wait, is it this Godoy is. When are you getting the look from Godoy?

[Selena Estiddies]

Tonight. She's gonna pick me up and I'm gonna get in it for the first time. But this is just for a little holiday. And for those who know the reference, yes. It's cold in here, bitch. I'm telling you, Monet, you and I were at the same high school. And we were friends, you know, in the drag universe. Like, Monet and Selena were like sisters in high school.

[Monet X Change]

Absolutely, absolutely, absolutely. If we were, Monet and Selena would absolutely be best friends in high school. We would be Kiki and we would be. Absolutely.

[Selena Estiddies]

For sure. I saw the New Mean Girls. I went to a reading yesterday.

[Monet X Change]

How was it?

[Selena Estiddies]

Interesting. I definitely feel like they pay. I mean, I don't think it's gonna. It's not until January, so I'm not allowed to give any spoilers or nothing, but it gives very much for the new generation of children, you know what I mean? Like, nice homage to us who. Who are fans and grew up with it, but very much for the children and the new generation. Tick tockers and. And girls who, you know, you know how like, okay, here's the thing. So I shot a music video recently and I was like, seeking dancers and I was like, okay, well, you know, to be inclusive and body positive. Especially for me, like, who's a little thicker? Like, I should probably have dancers who are like, you know, a little, like, thicker. Like, resemble body shapes or something. Sure. You know, let's get canceled. My friend was like, bitch, no. Anything that's ever been iconic, they have hot ass guys with abs. That's what people want to see. And I was like, yeah. Like, I mean, I don't know. He's like, bitch, get the hot guys. I'm like, oh, my God. But like, the thicker ones are hot too. Yes. Like, my friend is like, bitch. Like, so I was like, okay. So I was watching this New Mean Girls, and no one's really, like, super skinny. Like, you know how the original mean girls, they're all like, bomb and snatched in, like, mini skirts and sexy. This one, they all got some curves and it is really sexy. But you can very much tell that it's like, this is what America looks like. It's not like the ideal anymore. And that's what they kind of did mean.

[Monet X Change]

Girls, there's like, the standard of beauty. We're actively trying to change our minds and fix what the standard of beauty is here.

[Selena Estiddies]

Correct. But I don't know if I'm just problematic or a messy bitch who loves drama, but I was like, why is the snatched body? I was like, where are the sickening looks, bitch?

[Monet X Change]

Selena. Oh, my God. I'm not kidding, but I'm just kidding. We all know what I mean.

[Selena Estiddies]

Look, I am not that by any means. So it was really nice to see myself represented in the New Mean Girls movie. Y' all will see it work.

[Monet X Change]

Yeah, I mean, I never saw the. Well, it's. Cause it's the film version of the musical.

[Selena Estiddies]

Yes. Which also. I never really seen the musical. The musical.

[Monet X Change]

I haven't seen it either. I have no idea. I don't know, like, if it's. Although I will say I. I. So I watch. What's the show on mtv? I mean, on Jersey Shore. No, the one that Renee Rapp is on. Secret Life, House of Villains. Is that some tea?

[Selena Estiddies]

No, I'm just kidding. I don't know.

[Monet X Change]

Anyway. Oh, my God. We have something to talk about.

[Selena Estiddies]

Oh, my God. I feel like I understand how Bob feels being gaslit and, like, like, led into traps here now.

[Monet X Change]

I said, what's that show Renee Rapp is on? You said house of Villains. I was like, oh, listen, I try

[Selena Estiddies]

to make you feel right at home.

[Monet X Change]

Okay? But, yeah. Oh, yeah. Secret Lives of College Girls, which. Renee Rapp is on it, and she is really, really, really fucking. She's a great actress. And I just found out, like, a week ago that she's a fucking singer.

[Selena Estiddies]

No, she's like a pop star. The first time I ever saw her was on the MTV Video Awards, the Video Music Awards. This past. This past one, they had her on, like, the little side stage performing, and I was like, who is this girl? Because you guys went, I. I was not invited. I tried so hard, but I was not invited. But I watched the television program from. From my couch, and she was on there, and I was like, who is this girl? And let me tell you, I did not. That was the first time I've seen her watching the Mean Girls movie. I love her. I, like, I'm obsessed with her. And, you know, everything in me wants to be against her because I'm like, why?

[Monet X Change]

You're a great dancer.

[Selena Estiddies]

Huh?

[Monet X Change]

You're a great dancer.

[Selena Estiddies]

Oh, she dancer.

[Monet X Change]

Oh, wait. I think everything about you wants to be a dancer. I was like, you are a dancer. You're amazing.

[Selena Estiddies]

Oh, period. No, I meant Renee Rap. I, like, I didn't know she was. But I live for her. I love her now. She's really good in the movie. She's an amazing.

[Monet X Change]

Okay. Yeah. I can't wait to see her. She's really good in that show, and she's a really good singer. Like, I saw her doing. She was covering something on TikTok and, like, great runs. Like, her. Like, the tone of her voice is so beautiful.

[Selena Estiddies]

She's.

[Monet X Change]

She's definitely a rising star. Her body. Her body's so.

[Selena Estiddies]

Her body's what I want to look like. Like, what I was saying before about, like, being snapped. Nuh, she is giving curves is delicious.

[Monet X Change]

Yeah. You see, I've never wanted to be even. Like, for me, even though the standard of beauty was always. I was, you know, like, skinny. Blah, blah, blah, blah. Especially when we were growing up. Like, I've never wanted to be that. I don't know, it's because, like, all the women in my life, all the women in the Caribbean, every. All the women I was used to growing up seeing. Even though ten TV was telling me one thing and I fucking worshiped Britney Spears, thickness was always sexy to me. Like, curvy was always sexy. And it has been in vogue for the past, like 15. You know what I mean? It always has. I remember once, so when I used to live in Park Slope, I was fucking this fat nigga from the Bronx and he was a bus driver and me. And I mean. And again, I was a little chunky myself too, and it was a lot of friction going on. But that fat motherfucker used to give me such good dick. He used to fuck my shit up.

[Selena Estiddies]

So he must have had a really big one.

[Monet X Change]

He had a big dick.

[Selena Estiddies]

Cause you know what happens when you gain weight? I don't know if you skinny bitches understand when you gain weight. Where I gain it first is in my fupa. Like right above the penis line. Like where the pubics live is. I gain weight there and there's a pudge. So you lose an inch or two. But when you lose weight, you gain it back. So you must have had a really big dick in order to, like, dick you down if you had the, you know.

[Monet X Change]

Well, I will say, you know, I think I misremembered. I don't think it wasn't okay, y'.

[Selena Estiddies]

All.

[Monet X Change]

It wasn't like a huge, like, it wasn't like eight inches. It was like a good, like, solid six and a half. And I said that before. Six and a half. Seven is a big dick. We have come to this thing that if your dick. If. If his dick ain't nine inches, it ain't big enough. That is a fucking lie. Six and a half inches is a. A nice size, thickness and length of six and a half is great. You don't agree? Are you okay? So you're like, I used to be

[Selena Estiddies]

a size queen, but, like, I'm not the biggest bottom, but so, like six and a half and seven is perfect for me. And like, low key. I don't like giant thickness. Like, like, I know it's fun, but it hurts. I don't want to be stretched out. I want to be. I want to be penetrated deep. I don't want to be.

[Monet X Change]

Yeah. You know what I mean? Yeah. I mean, low key. I didn't even. I mean, there's this whole thing about the second hole. Do you know about the second hole thing?

[Selena Estiddies]

Oh, of course that's real. You don't believe it? What? Like, Bob doesn't believe that AA is a spiritual program?

[Monet X Change]

Talita, get that ass. I've been trying to even. You don't have to tell him. Everyone in the comments told him. Okay, listen. Everyone says, I know, has told me,

[Selena Estiddies]

I'm sober, you'll love her and I'll tell the truth. It's spiritual, Bob. But, yes, the second hole, I think, does exist, and I think it's a very spiritual experience once you get it tapped into.

[Monet X Change]

Okay, what does the second hole feel like?

[Selena Estiddies]

Okay, Monet. So you know when the penis inserts that first rim. Right? So, you know, it's like.

[Monet X Change]

Right. Like when it. Like when it first enters. Don't.

[Selena Estiddies]

But when it first enters. Okay. Technically, I would consider that the first hole. There's.

[Monet X Change]

Right.

[Selena Estiddies]

There's somewhere that it goes where it. There's. It's a little tighter hole, and it punctuates there. And then you're like. And then you're able to sit and take all the dick. Do you know what I'm talking about? It exists. One hole, two holes. It goes through the first rim, the one you rim. It goes in, and then it lives here, but there's another section where it can go deeper. And then you're like. And then he's just fucking you, and that's the second hole. Maybe you don't have one.

[Monet X Change]

I don't. I honestly don't think I have a second hole, y'. All. I really don't. Jacob. Jacob, you got a chat? Jacob, do you have the second whole thing?

[Selena Estiddies]

Jacob? Mr. Bottom. I've heard of it, but I don't know if I personally experienced that myself, but me either, you guys. Okay, Maybe I have, and I just don't know. Maybe for Ms. Titties, it's like a really big thing, and, like, she's getting the ooh, ah sensation, and I'm just. I'm just going right through both my holes, and it's.

[Monet X Change]

I think that's me, too, because.

[Selena Estiddies]

Listen, what does that say about y'? All?

[Monet X Change]

Well, I have been taking dicks since I was in high school, okay? And I've taken many digs, especially throughout my 20s, and I have never have I felt this thing, this thing that you're talking about.

[Selena Estiddies]

Never.

[Monet X Change]

I've gone from. I've gone from a. From a Snickers Fun Size bar to the fucking King Size fucking Butterfinger. Okay? I've done all the things. I don't think I've ever experienced that feeling. You talk about.

[Selena Estiddies]

Interesting.

[Monet X Change]

Yeah.

[Selena Estiddies]

Okay. I'm gonna talk to Andy. I'm gonna help you. I'm gonna help y' all find it. I'm gonna help y' all find that second hole. Honey, maybe it's deeper. I don't know. Maybe I'm just touched or I'm blessed by God.

[Monet X Change]

Wait, how do we get on the second hole? We're talking about Renee rap. But now we're on the second hole. I don't know. This conversation went haywire.

[Selena Estiddies]

Oh. Oh. Ooh.

[Monet X Change]

Okay. Yes. I was talking about movies and I said I saw Mean Girls. Something else in the movies. Talk about. Anyway, to the party. Scratch all that. We're going to the party tonight. I'm not going to drag. Selena's going to drag. And then I just heard one of my favorite people. I love going to parties with her. And I'm sure you've hung out with her before. Peppermint is going to be there tonight. Peppermint is. I cannot explain. Peppermint is just a joy to be around because she is so much self contained chaos and she brings the chaos with her. And Peppermint is like. I don't know. It's just. I'm just finding out. Peppermint is going to be there. I am very happy. It's going to be. The night is going to be incredible. And knowing that Peppermint is going to be there. She is so hilarious. Upon it.

[Selena Estiddies]

I've been to one game night with Peppermint once. And were you there?

[Monet X Change]

Oh my gosh. It was at my house, bitch.

[Selena Estiddies]

And she is a key. I've never been able.

[Monet X Change]

Go ahead, go ahead. What is your thought?

[Selena Estiddies]

I've never been. I never hung out with her until that one moment. That was my first time. And I am just amazed. I just like to watch and listen. It's so fun.

[Monet X Change]

Yeah, Peppermint's great. Let's take a break. We'll talk about game night.

[Selena Estiddies]

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[Monet X Change]

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[Selena Estiddies]

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[Monet X Change]

So I thought it would be fun

[Selena Estiddies]

if we made fifteen dollar bills.

[Monet X Change]

But it turns out that's very illegal. So there goes my Big idea for the commercial. Give it a [e-mail] switch. Upfront payment of $45 for three months, $90 for six months, or $180 for

[Selena Estiddies]

a 12 month plan.

[Monet X Change]

Required $15 per month equivalent taxes and fees. Extra initial plan term only greater than 50 gigabytes. Me slow when network is busy. See terms.

[Selena Estiddies]

Close your eyes. Exhale. Feel your body relax.

[Monet X Change]

And let go of whatever you're carrying today.

[Selena Estiddies]

Well, I'm letting go of the worry that I wouldn't get my new contacts in time for this class. I got them delivered free from 1-800-contacts. Oh, my gosh, they're so fast. And breathe.

[Monet X Change]

Oh, sorry. I almost couldn't breathe when I saw the discount they gave me on my first order. Oh, sorry.

[Selena Estiddies]

Namaste.

[Monet X Change]

Visit 1-800-contacts.com today to save on your first order. 1-800-contacts. Okay, back. So what? So I do a lot. I've said this many times before. I do a lot of game nights. Selena often comes to them. And most recently, we were playing this game. I think it was Secret of Hitler. And then we're going around the thing, and then Selena thought I was a liberal. And then she says something to me, and I gave her some policies to pass. And she was like, yeah, Monet didn't give me a choice. It was two fascist cards, right? And then I looked at her, I was like, no, it wasn't. Selena lets out this guttural statement, scream, y'. All. Like from Mother Earth in Mesopotamia. That shit was.

[Selena Estiddies]

I was so shocked what happened? I thought me and Monae were like this. And she. She said something. I was like, oh, I was so gagged. You gagged the hell out of me on that. It was good.

[Monet X Change]

No, Selena's great at parties. I love having Selena over. Selena.

[Selena Estiddies]

Listen.

[Monet X Change]

I will say, though, so, Selena, I love calling you Selena Estuaries.

[Selena Estiddies]

Oh, people call me that all the time because of you.

[Monet X Change]

I first. So Selena used to come. So tell me about you and New York drag. Cause I know you used to come to New York City often to see drag, but I don't know what the context was. Were you just doing it for to come do shows? Like, why were you coming to New York so often?

[Selena Estiddies]

So I've known Marty Goldcomings for a while before I even did drag. And she. I would go to New York all the time to go hang out with Frankie because he would live out there by col. So I'll go visit Frankie Grande.

[Monet X Change]

Selena and Frankie Grande are besties.

[Selena Estiddies]

Yeah. Make sure you watch Reindeer Games. I Think the finales should be coming out on after this episode of Root for Frankie. I don't know if he makes it that far. I didn't ask him. It was so funny. He's so. He's on this Big Brother Reindeers Games. And it's very much how, like, when I was on Drag Race and I came back and he's like, tell me everything. And he came back, and it was like he had trauma and ptsd, just like I did. Big Brother. It's a thing. Anyways, I would go visit, and Marty would be like, do you want to perform? Do you want to do a show? And I'm like, well, yes, of course. So would go and do shows with Marty. And then I met Pixie Aventura that way, and she invited me to do her show. And then I would come see the Help all the time with Pixie and you. And it really, like. I'm a theater girl, so I have a musical. I have a BFA in musical theater, so I love New York.

[Monet X Change]

I didn't know that.

[Selena Estiddies]

Yes. I went to AMDA in la. I did the inaugural BFA program work.

[Monet X Change]

Okay, I didn't know that.

[Selena Estiddies]

Yes. And then I did a professional dance program here in Hollywood. Commercial dance program. I got signed to a dance agency, and I was auditioning and stuff. So in la, it's not very theatrical, Right. It's all movies, TV and film. So New York, like, I always loved New York. I always wanted to move to New York. That's why I don't have my license either. And Andy loves to read me for this all the time. He's like, you need to get your license, bitch.

[Monet X Change]

Y'. All. Selena, when she was a local queen, used to go to her gigs on an electric scooter. Okay, just picture this. What you looking at right now? The wig, everything that's on electric scooter Tomaster.

[Selena Estiddies]

That's how I got here today. That's how I got here today.

[Monet X Change]

In drag. In drag today, let me tell you.

[Selena Estiddies]

My blanket was billowing in the wind, holding me back, so I was going so slow. But, bitch, because I'm at. I'm at. I'm at Jacob and Bob's house recording here right now. And they don't live far from me, but it is uphill. My scooter died. I had to walk.

[Monet X Change]

I was too heavy. So you were. So. You were getting that. Like that. That Broadway.

[Selena Estiddies]

I was getting my theater fix when I would go to. And I will say this, too. The audiences for drag shows are very different from New York versus la. In la, what do you think?

[Monet X Change]

What's the difference? What do you think?

[Selena Estiddies]

This is my experience in la. The gays here think they're the divas, they're the influencers, they're the stars. So they sit at drag shows like this in New York. They're theater people. They're used to going to shows. They know. They're probably performers themselves. They know how to like, you know, you know, be a good audience. I. The, the crowd and audience in New York is so different from la, and that's what I gathered. And because theater is more alive over there, the queens over there are more theatrical, more to my. In my opinion, more exciting to watch.

[Monet X Change]

I can see that. I can see. I can see the theat. I can see the theatrics in, In. In New York City, Queens versus LA Queens. I can see that. In terms of the audience, I guess I could see that too. I think some of the most, like, in my opinion, one of the hardest audiences to win over are British audiences. Britch. You can be at a show in the UK and light your pussy on fire. They're like, they don't tip too.

[Selena Estiddies]

So there's that element too.

[Monet X Change]

Yeah, that's that part too. But a thing that. A bit that I used to do, I would find, like, I would. Cause when I would. Even when I was. Before now I pretty much do stand up or do hosting something. I don't really do numbers anymore at gigs, but like when I was in like the gig circle, like every gig I did was two gig, two numbers. One thing I would make sure I talked after every number. And if I was in a city that they didn't tip, like in the UK or wherever I would like after my number, I would just make some joke about someone and get. Make someone to give me like $20. And that was the key because when I got a tip from someone, I was like, okay, the next person who gives me, blah, blah, blah, you become this. I'm like, okay, if you give me a $20 bill, you are now the director of this show. You would tell me what. And I just. So I would like egg them on. And then now it's a bidding war. Someone's giving me 20, someone's giving me 50, someone's giving me a girl. That's how. That's, that's. That's. You got, you got, you gotta. I'm gonna spill this.

[Selena Estiddies]

I'm gonna be in Denver, Colorado at tracks on the 29th, and I'm gonna use this. I'm gonna Use this little, little trick, girl.

[Monet X Change]

Do it. You know, I've never, I never performed at Tracks before. They never, they never had me there.

[Selena Estiddies]

Oh, I'll, I'll put in a good word for you while I'm there.

[Monet X Change]

Please. I would like to get you a little booking.

[Selena Estiddies]

Do two numbers.

[Monet X Change]

No, I, I, I like doing tournament gigs. I just don't do them anymore, to be honest. Bitch, I mean, you are like a trained dancer. Like, your body is flexible. You can do these things forever. Bitch. When I go a long time without dancing or doing a split the first time back, bitch, it'd be rough. I be on stage, my bones be woo.

[Selena Estiddies]

And you'd be giving choreography moments too. So you're going full out a little bit sometimes.

[Monet X Change]

No, I cannot, bitch. We did Godoy's and Mercedes birthday show and I had this, like, this, like, little, this three, eight count dancing, which I forgot the first eight count. I just did something else. I came back. Oh, yeah, this part. I'm really bad at remembering choreo. I'm very bad at remembering choreo.

[Selena Estiddies]

I'm good. Short term, I can't remember choreo for a long time. Short term, I'm good.

[Monet X Change]

Well, my God. Oh, I thought Jacob was giving us another commercial break. What's up, Jake?

[Selena Estiddies]

I have a question. It's because you both said you were bad at choreo, but you're also like both really fierce lip syncers. So when you're going into a lip sync, do you, like, how much do you plan out? How much do you feel out? How much do you choreograph versus how much of it is on the spot for you?

[Monet X Change]

I think in the context of drag race for, like, lip syncs, like, for example, kiss, kiss, swish, swish. I knew I was gonna do one thing, which was the money thing that I. When I threw the money, I knew I was gonna do that. And the lipstick thing, literally, as we were walking to the stage, I said to the P, I was like. Cause they told us last looks. If y' all don't know last looks means like, like do any last minute things. You need to thing your hair or put your eyebrow, whatever. Last looks. I was like, oh, yeah, I just need some lipstick. So the PA brings me a lipstick and I was like, oh, shit, a lipstick. I was like, I was like, is there any white? Is there any white out? And if y' all don't know, they have banned white out from drag race set since Bendelacreme. You cannot get white out on drag race. So Trinity had white nail polish. And she was like, girl, what you need it for? I was like, I want to run it on the lipstick. She's like. She's like, bitch. One second, she goes back to her thing, she gets me a white nail polish, and that's when I wrote Jinx on it. Y' all didn't see it because they cut it out, but that's how I wrote Jinx on my. On my lipstick. So it was the only two things I had planned. Everything else just kind of happened in a moment. What about you?

[Selena Estiddies]

Yeah, I think for Drag Race, I plan out little moments, like, for this lip sync when I was in the bottom, Janelle Monae in front of Janelle Monae.

[Monet X Change]

So good. They call it the Selena. The. Ah.

[Selena Estiddies]

When I. When I pass on the ground.

[Monet X Change]

Yeah, I love that.

[Selena Estiddies]

I always do that. But I plan my little. With my skirt on the ground. Like, I plan little moments of the gags that I know I'm going to do, and then I kind of let the. The moment take me away. And I feel like I did that in drag shows now, too. Before, I used to be so choreographed. But when you have a choreographed number for a drag lip sync at a bar, there's no time to collect tips, so you're not making any money. So that's the hard part. So you got to play both sides, right?

[Monet X Change]

Pixie's good for that. Pixie will sacrifice. Cause Pixie Aventura is so about the performance. She will sacrifice her tips and just go on. Just stay on the stage for her moment.

[Selena Estiddies]

That's what I used to do. And I'm like, well, I need money.

[Monet X Change]

Yeah. I don't really choreograph stuff like that. It's, you know, I just like to be in the moment. And I mean, also, But I mean, ooh, this is a little hoppy. So Mistress Isabel Brooks tweeted this, and I want to know what you think, because I was, like, with her. I know she's trolling a lot, but I can't always tell if she's like, oh. So she retweeted the video of Sasha Colby and what's the girl? Oh, my God, this is terrible.

[Selena Estiddies]

Anetra.

[Monet X Change]

Yes. Anetra. Oh, my God. This is shady. I did not. I love Anetra. She's great. Actually, I don't really know her. And she said, this lip sync is horrible. But I'm not sure if y' all are ready for that conversation. I would like to see reveals banned from the finale. Lip syncs. It takes away from the whole point of the performance, lip sync. What do you think about that?

[Selena Estiddies]

Can it wait?

[Monet X Change]

What does it say? I can't see it.

[Selena Estiddies]

I love this song by Nicki Minaj. Ain't bad if you got a dick ride. That bitch is the best troll on the Internet.

[Monet X Change]

I mean, I used to be all up on Twitter. I mean, I just. In the past, like two years, like, oh, a year and a half, I kind of just like fell back. I'm like, it's gotten crazy. No, I'm not buying a fucking blue check mark. I just can't. I just. I just. I just can't with the Twitter.

[Selena Estiddies]

It is so funny. I had gotten verified on. On Twitter X and then people are like, oh, Selena bought her thing. I was like, no, I didn't. I got verified. But then they took it away. It's weird. But you know who's really good at popping into Twitter is Trixie. She's good at saying a 1, 2, and it goes viral. And then she's like, it's not a part of.

[Monet X Change]

I mean, Trixie, bitch. Trixie can take a fucking shit. A hot shit on a cold summer day. And people are like, you know what I mean?

[Selena Estiddies]

I'm so bad at Twitter. I'm not so bad at having an opinion. Anytime I have an opinion, I get in trouble, which is so interesting. Like, the Z way. Did you watch the Z Way? Jorge Santos?

[Monet X Change]

Oh, bitch, did I ever. I could never.

[Selena Estiddies]

Like, so people say that I look like Jorge Santos out of drag sometimes. And I. I can see what they're talking about. Maybe a little. I think Jan definitely looks a lot more like Jan.

[Monet X Change]

Absolutely looks like him. I don't see it with you.

[Selena Estiddies]

And I love that Jan is like, plays into it and does her little tiktoks as Jorge Santos. Have you seen that?

[Monet X Change]

Yes, yes.

[Selena Estiddies]

It's so good. I can never do that. I'm not good at it, bitch.

[Monet X Change]

That Z way interview with Jorge Santos is so fucking good. And I mean, they have people like coming. Coming at her be like, I can't believe you give him a platform. Blah, blah, blah, blah. I think she did a great job of showing what a fucking idiot he is. She let him dig his own hole. And I think there's also this thing where people. People who don't have the platform she has. I'm like, well, this is what you have to with your platform. No, she's like, when the war comes, we got people need to do when as the war is happening. I don't know if you can. Theoretically, you know, we all have to

[Selena Estiddies]

talk about the promo.

[Monet X Change]

Yeah. The readers have to read, the fighters have to fight, the writers have to riot. Like, her thing. This is her thing. She's using her wit and her knowledge and her platform to show us more about who Jorge Santos is without. Without, like, diminishing herself. Like, talking about when she even asked him about Martha B. Johnson. Clearly he has no idea who Martha fucking P. Johnson. He doesn't even know who James Baldwin is. Like, what?

[Selena Estiddies]

It was crazy. And like, did you hear when he said he was black, that he would have a black child? I was so confused. He said, my sperm will give me a black baby. I was like, what is he talking about?

[Monet X Change]

I don't know.

[Selena Estiddies]

It was just so weir. He is the epitome of, like, the kind of gay who shouldn't be saying house down boots. You know what I mean?

[Monet X Change]

He said it like 19 times. The house down boots. The house down boots. And also, he's 35. I gagged at that. I could fall at that. I was like, he's 35.

[Selena Estiddies]

He's just a couple years older than us. I was a little like, gag. Who let him in the house? Girl, who's he representing? I'm like, I was very confused. And to be honest, it's so. You know how, like, serial killers like to be celebrities? Like, you know. You know how serial killers kind of leave. Leave hints and stuff for the police to find because they like the press that they get from being that serial killer. Like, like, like Richard Ramirez or like the other one, the. The one with the. Manson. Manson, right.

[Monet X Change]

I don't know about true crime. I don't listen to that.

[Selena Estiddies]

So there's serial killers who kill serially and then they like the fame that comes from it. So they. They become these celebrities and they live for that. He gives me serial killer famous energy. Like, he just wants to be famous so bad that he'll just be, say this or that or like, I don't know. It just gives very, very pick me to me.

[Monet X Change]

Yeah. You know, let's take a little break. We'll talk more about serial killers with Selena. Yeah. Serial killer. If I was going to be a serial killer, would I want to be famous for it?

[Selena Estiddies]

Jacob, do you know what I'm talking about? Yeah, I've seen some of what you're talking about on those true crime shows, for sure. Yeah. Like, they love the fame that they get from being the. The masked killer that no one knows. They get off on it.

[Monet X Change]

Yeah. I mean, listen, if I'm gonna kill, I'M going to jail anyway, so why not get famous? I mean, we all saw that fucking Dahmer thing where people were literally sending him wedding letters in the fucking mail.

[Selena Estiddies]

Isn't that wild? People are crazy.

[Monet X Change]

People are sick.

[Selena Estiddies]

Yes.

[Monet X Change]

Like, imagine getting married to this man that killed 14 people. So gruesomely. And you know all the details. You know, he deca. He ate them. He had them in decomposing. And you're like, I want to marry him.

[Selena Estiddies]

Like, we'd just be so cute together.

[Monet X Change]

Like, what?

[Selena Estiddies]

No, man, but George Santos gives me that energy watching that interview. He's a little Delulu.

[Monet X Change]

He's a little too Lulu and I mean. But the sad part is, though, this motherfucker is going to be on. Like, he's going to be on. I'm sure he's going to get a fucking dance with the star. I mean, if he doesn't go to jail, I'm sure he's going to get like some like fucking Giuliani and shit. And the producers that casted Giuliani on Masked Singer should be fucking ashamed of themselves.

[Selena Estiddies]

Was he on the Masked Singer?

[Monet X Change]

Yes, girl.

[Selena Estiddies]

What was his character?

[Monet X Change]

I don't remember what he was. Jacob, can you look it up real quick? But he was on the Masked Singer.

[Selena Estiddies]

I can't get into that show.

[Monet X Change]

I know, I tried and I don't get it, but middle aged and older women love it. All the women in my family love the Masked Singer.

[Selena Estiddies]

Well, I can get into it because I have a furry fetish and every time I watch it, I start to come. No, just kidding.

[Monet X Change]

Well, okay, so Andy and I and some other people, like back in the summer, we went to Black's beach in San Diego.

[Selena Estiddies]

Yes. Did you go to the bushes in the back?

[Monet X Change]

No. So, okay, I'm interested in this. Ooh, so many things about. So pre Drag Race, I was a bathhouse girly. Before I was, you know, before I was on TV and shit, I was up in the bathhouses I used to go to. I used to go to Steamworks all the time. New York doesn't have any good ones.

[Selena Estiddies]

No, they have like a Russian spa now. That's all they have left. And like one tweaker den of a bathhouse.

[Monet X Change]

And I used to go to Spartacus and other ones, like, whatever. And then. But since Drag Race, I've only been once, because I can't with the being recognized. The recognized. I can't. I can't.

[Selena Estiddies]

I was so I am a bathhouse girly. I love bath houses. I love watching. I'm a voyeur. I love the group aspect. I love seeing all different kinds of sizes everywhere and, like, so just not.

[Monet X Change]

But just not dancing for you.

[Selena Estiddies]

I wanted them to dance for me also. None applied, so there's that too.

[Monet X Change]

Got you guys.

[Selena Estiddies]

I need y' all to start applying, honey. There was so after Drag Race, so it was so funny. So cruise. Because the pandemic, all of everything closed down, and a lot of bath houses disappeared in la, so people were started cruising. And in la, if you guys know Poinsettia park or, like, Vaseline Alley, those are very cruisy parks where the boys go out every night.

[Monet X Change]

Alley.

[Selena Estiddies]

Vaseline Alley is behind the old Gold Coast. It's now or bar next to Circus of Books. That's a alleyway with a parking lot

[Monet X Change]

in WeHo over there.

[Selena Estiddies]

We ho.

[Monet X Change]

Yes.

[Selena Estiddies]

Right near Sweetser and.

[Monet X Change]

Yeah.

[Selena Estiddies]

By Hamburger Mary's down the street.

[Monet X Change]

Got it, got it, got it, got it, got it.

[Selena Estiddies]

During Pandemic, that place was popping, honey. All the cars were parked. The doors would be propped open. We're getting it going. Ham on the side during the day, mostly at night, but I think some stuff would go down during the day. It's used, like, as a valet parking lot during the day. So at night is when it would get popping. It was sickening. But the cops started busting it. So they all moved to Poinsettia park, which is, like, down the street from my house. So it. It's crazy. Like on Sniffies, when there's a location, it'll show how many people are checked in. There'll be like, 28, 30, 60 people sometimes at Poinsettia Park. It's insane. And the cops have been raiding that place now, too. So they put up street signs so you can't park there no more. They're giving out tickets. They're, like, surrounding the park to try to catch them.

[Monet X Change]

I'm like, okay, here's my question. If the. If you are in a hookup and the cops catch you, like, outside at Vaseline Alley, or do you get a ticket or are you going to jail?

[Selena Estiddies]

So my friend who's a therapist, was there when he got caught once, and he said he couldn't lose his license for therapy if he got in trouble, so he tried to run for it. And the cops were like, don't bother running. You're surrounded on all sides. And they got caught.

[Monet X Change]

I know.

[Selena Estiddies]

And so that particular evening, they ticketed him for, like, a disturbing the piece because they didn't catch them in the act doing anything. They Just caught them in the park at night so they couldn't write him up for anything.

[Monet X Change]

Oh.

[Selena Estiddies]

But did you know that I got. I got in trouble once?

[Monet X Change]

No. For what?

[Selena Estiddies]

At Crunch. You didn't know this monetary?

[Monet X Change]

No.

[Selena Estiddies]

I got arrested on my 24th birthday at crunch. In the locker room. In the steam room. There was an undercover cop in the steam room? In the steam room.

[Monet X Change]

Okay, look, did he have, like a. A little mini badge on his nuts? How did you. Was he wired?

[Selena Estiddies]

No, my lawyer said so. He was bomb. Oh, my God. He was like, six foot one.

[Monet X Change]

Also, he was trying to lure you in.

[Selena Estiddies]

Yes. It was entrapment. At the end of the day, it was so shady. He. We were in the. We were in the sauna. A bunch of guys. Mind you, there. There was guys jerking off, but he was looking at me, and he flashed me his dick, and he said, follow me. Took me to the shower. And he went in his own shower and said, not yet. Not yet. So I was like, okay. So I went into my own shower. He. He creeped into my shower, said, I'm going to go fill up my water bottle. And then he disappeared. And I was like, okay, where did he go? My lawyer said that was the moment he went to go tell the cops to get ready. So I went back into the steam room, and I was sitting there, and he comes in. He goes. And I was like, let's go, daddy. I'm ready. And he goes into the shower, leaves the shower curtain open this time, and he, like, arches his ass up, and I go to touch it. The minute my precious little finger. Delicate. Touches his little, little booty.

[Monet X Change]

Boop.

[Selena Estiddies]

The cops come around the corner with their guns out. With their guns out in the steam

[Monet X Change]

room, in the shower, with guns.

[Selena Estiddies]

Like I'm a criminal,

[Monet X Change]

Talita, Not a sting operation to find you. In my mind, they have busted through the ceiling. They are coming down on ropes. They're in SWAT gear, and they are having.

[Selena Estiddies]

They're like, it might as well have been that bitch. And they handcuff me right there with my towel dangling between my legs. I'm fucking naked. I'm walking to my locker so I can get my bag out. And they. Everyone in the locker room is looking at me. I'm like, oh, my God. And they take me downstairs. And you would think that I literally killed eight babies. Like, the way they treated me. They threw me in the back of the cop car like I was a little dog. And I was like, what is going on? But get this. Get this tea. They said, stay right Here, we're gonna go grab another one. Not even five minutes later, they bring someone else down into the car with me who got arrested as well from the undercover cops, mind you. Me and this guy that were arrested, we got to the booking station. We're handcuffed to a bench, looking at each other. We start rubbing knees. We didn't get off yet, bitch. And the situation was kind of sexy.

[Monet X Change]

Oh, my God. That is crazy.

[Selena Estiddies]

And this is in West Hollywood at Crunch weho. So y' all be careful. They have signs up now.

[Monet X Change]

Are you naked? Arrested.

[Selena Estiddies]

They have a doorbell. A snitch doorbell. Now they do.

[Monet X Change]

Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. Jacob. What? Rewind. They have a snitch doorbell. What?

[Selena Estiddies]

On the steam room, outside the steam room. Now you can ring a doorbell, and it will, like, notify the front desk that people are hooking up. I hate gentrification. Oh, my God.

[Monet X Change]

What?

[Selena Estiddies]

In the straight.

[Monet X Change]

I hate it.

[Selena Estiddies]

This is West Hollywood.

[Monet X Change]

Oh, it's our land. Snitch doorbell.

[Selena Estiddies]

That is insane. And that happened because of. Because of me, I guess.

[Monet X Change]

Yes. No.

[Selena Estiddies]

Catch this during that stink. That's. Is it a sting or a stink sting?

[Monet X Change]

Like a sting operation.

[Selena Estiddies]

A stinky sting. They arrested 16 guys in the matter of three days. They arrested 16 men from the crunch steam room, and eight of them were represented by my lawyer, which. Oh, probably keep. Cut that out. He's problematic, people.

[Monet X Change]

Oh, yeah, we'll bleep his name out.

[Selena Estiddies]

Eight people were. Who represented by my lawyer, got off and with no charges. We got a little.

[Monet X Change]

Literally. Apparently they didn't get off.

[Selena Estiddies]

Well, we got. We got let off with just the misdemeanor of disturbing the peace on our record and nothing crazy. The other eight were registered as sex offenders and are on the list and everything.

[Monet X Change]

Okay, I didn't realize you can get. You get As a sex offender because it's in public, but they're in public

[Selena Estiddies]

and, like, seeking sex and, like, I don't know what. But my. My lawyer said that it was entrapment. They were targeting gay men specifically. So it was a homosexual, like, bashing almost, because they weren't targeting straight men in that locker room. So before that reasons, it was considered as a homophobic act. And, yeah, it was.

[Monet X Change]

Oh, my God. I am gagged by this story.

[Selena Estiddies]

And I was on my 24th birthday. Happy birthday.

[Monet X Change]

Like, literally on your birthday.

[Selena Estiddies]

My drug. I had to give them my license, my id, and they said, oh, happy birthday. Give me your fingerprint. I'm gonna give it back.

[Monet X Change]

My fucking id, Charles. Okay, John.

[Selena Estiddies]

I wonder if my Mug shot is out there because they took a mug shot. I don't know where it is, though.

[Monet X Change]

Yeah, mug shots are public. Are public records. So it's out there. And now you said it on here. Somebody's like, all right, go find it.

[Selena Estiddies]

Someone, go find it. That'd be sickening. But to my point, do you know

[Monet X Change]

what you should do on a pride? You should release that mugshot, put it on a Polaroid, and sell it as merch.

[Selena Estiddies]

Okay? Period. Hands down, Boots.

[Monet X Change]

It's never been done before. I think that.

[Selena Estiddies]

But thank God that happened before Drag Race. Now I learned my lesson. I will never do that. Now I get so scared of steam rooms.

[Monet X Change]

I mean, I used to go to Bally's in New York City. This is back in the day. I'm probably dating myself. And we used to. I used to get off in the city steam room. This, when I tell you it was, like, one of the things I will look forward to, like, at the end of my workout, knowing I was going to go up in the steam sometimes. Bitch. I would literally go to the gym just to go.

[Selena Estiddies]

Just to go to the steam room. Oh, my God, bitch. We are so gay. I think that is such a. Like, gay boys understand this. Like, it's such a. It's such a thing. Well, you know what it is?

[Monet X Change]

Like, I've talked to Patty, and I talk about this all the time. Shout out to Patty. Is that, like, as gay men, like, we're. Especially growing up, we were taught, which I'm not saying it's completely, completely different for Gen Z. It's definitely a different experience. Like, growing up, we did not see a lot of us represented on tv. No one talked about identity, anything like that. Like, we were. I was so starved for finding other queer people who were, like, me, my own age. So when I'm like, you know, 18, 19, going to the gym and, like, going to Bally's, when I saw, like, another gay man giving me attention. Like, cruising was the only time I was, like, making connections with other gay people other than a fucking AOL instant messenger by some fucking. Some. Somebody named back alley Vaseline boots 97 from. From Tulsa, Oklahoma. Like, cruising was, like, the rare times that I saw other gay people. So that's why. And cruising is about sex, right? So that's kind of, like, why that kind of happened.

[Selena Estiddies]

It's so interesting. You know, I do a lot of work on myself in my spiritual program that I'm in. And one of the things I learned, you know, you do, like, a sexual inventory to Learn about your sexual behavior and how it affects your lives and other people's lives is. I kind of. You know, you learn as a gay man, I think it's very. Everyone can kind of relate to this. Gay men of our generation, like, for our age, it's like we grow up learning that our sex has to be sneaky because we're not allowed to actually learn about it. We have to be sneaky with our sex. So there's a part of us that likes that sneakiness. I'll speak for myself. I love that sneaky aspect that. Oh, I'm not allowed to get it, but I might get it. That cruisiness, like, I. That is innate in me because that's how I kind of learned how to have sex was by being sneaky. Sneaking guys into the house, sneaking out of the house. Like, that is all part of it. And going back to the furries, I feel like. I feel like fetishes are kind of, like, developed that way too, right? Like, whatever happened to us when we were a little. I feel like something happened to you when you're little, honey. And like, now you want to go Winnie the Pooh in real life. You know,

[Monet X Change]

Christian with talking about black, right? Girl, this is such good. I know. It's a good conversation where I'm like, we're losing ourselves. Oh, yes. Black sand beach. And then the furries. So we're. Now this is the summertime. It is like, fucking 100 degrees outside, right? We're on the beach. It is hot. We're just chilling. I'm like, I got my little tanning oil on. Trying to get. Because I say this in the summer, I like to go. I put tanning oil on myself, and I will sit out in the sun. So I become a fucking. I want to be this color. Okay. I like to get dark and toasty in the summer. So I'm here telling myself. And then we look up. When I tell you, we see about, like, 20 furries just congregating, like a little circle, like, on the beach in full furry gear. And I'm like, how is this possible? It is so fucking hot. How are you on the beach in furry gear like Kiki and doing, like, a thing?

[Selena Estiddies]

It was so interesting to see you're in their territory. They're animals.

[Monet X Change]

I know.

[Selena Estiddies]

Out in nature.

[Monet X Change]

That's true. I am. You're right. I'm in their space. I am not shaming anyone. I just. I could never. Is too hot.

[Selena Estiddies]

So I bought recently a big kind of furry head for a video that I'm doing. And there's a built in fan inside there. So I think they have like ac, like internal AC in those, in those units.

[Monet X Change]

And an AC is just pushing hot air around. Ooh, maybe them costume must have stink.

[Selena Estiddies]

I don't, I don't know. I would love to have a conversation with one so we can understand their. Where they come from with it.

[Monet X Change]

Okay.

[Selena Estiddies]

And it's a no joke judgment thing too. I'm just curious.

[Monet X Change]

You want a fur, Andy?

[Selena Estiddies]

Oh, Andy.

[Monet X Change]

Never come here more. Never mind. Never mind. Yeah. Oh, okay. Again. So like the little, the little trail. So gay men. At any gay gathering, there is always a place for gay men to go off and have sex and whatever. Like there's always like

[Selena Estiddies]

a dark room, a back room. Bitch. I found love in the dark room. Literally two weeks ago at Pegasus. Oh my God, I fell in love. His name was Brandon. If you're listening, Brandon, text me back.

[Monet X Change]

I'm waiting. Like between the. Between on Fire island, you have the meat rack on piton. It's a dick, doc. Gaming will find a place to have sex. So at this. I don't know what it's called at the black sand beach. What is it called?

[Selena Estiddies]

Black's Beach.

[Monet X Change]

Sorry, but what is the little hookup brush?

[Selena Estiddies]

I don't think they have a name for it. It's just Black's beach is a nude beach. And then they hook up in the back bushes.

[Monet X Change]

Yeah. So there's the beach here and like behind the beach there's like. You have to walk kind of off into the mountains. There are trails, there are bushes everywhere. And then so Andy and I were sitting there. He's like, oh, you wanna go there? I was like, I mean, we can go and walk through. I ain't doing nothing. Like, I'm just not about that. So we go and we walk through and just walking through the amount of. Oh my God, Monet. I was like, that is when I tell you that will literally make my dick go inside of me. Like, I just do not like being like my. Oh my God, Monet. Like that happened like about four or five times. And I was like, this is so annoying.

[Selena Estiddies]

No way. So I had my first experience like that ever. I went to Flex after Drag race. Flex is a bath is a local

[Monet X Change]

bath house in East Hollywood.

[Selena Estiddies]

Yes. So I had.

[Monet X Change]

Which was right by my old apartment. Did you know that? Well you do. Obviously you knew that.

[Selena Estiddies]

Oh, yes, that's right. Well, I would go there after we had game night. No, I'm just kidding.

[Monet X Change]

Yeah, I,

[Selena Estiddies]

I had gone while I was on Drag Race. I went one night with a friend and I was like, you know, I feel like in drag, people recognize me, but out of drag, you can't. They think I'm George Santos. So they don't know. You know, they don't know it's Alina. Just kidding. They don't really recognize me. I'm not that recognizable. I feel out of drag, especially. I'm trying to lose weight. So I'm like, change. I change so easily. And depending on my angle, I look like five different people. To be quite honest, Grindr is the worst because people are like, you don't look like your pictures. I'm like, I do. From like this. I do, you know? So I was at Flex and there's like a big room with like porn on the tv and, like, people can sit down and, like, watch and do whatever they want. So I'm sitting there and I'm just enjoying the film. And I hear from the corner, enjoying the film.

[Monet X Change]

I can't.

[Selena Estiddies]

I hear from the corner. I look over and I was like, Jason. And he's like, I love you. Mind you, he's getting pounded by this like, 80 year old daddy. And there's this little Asian boy. And I'm like, okay, I'm gonna go.

[Monet X Change]

Yes, bitch, stop talking to me. Like, no.

[Selena Estiddies]

Even if you know it's me, don't say nothing. Like, let's just have fun. And this is the way I see it. Like, if you're in a bathhouse or if you're in a dark room and you see a celebrity, you are there for the same exact reason that celebrity is. They're still human. Like, let's just have fun. And if you see them, bitch, don't go gossiping to your friend. I mean, I would gossip to my friends. I'm like, bitch, I saw lil Nas

[Monet X Change]

X. I wanna say, yeah. I mean, yeah, go gossip to your friends, but don't do it there in the moment. Like, you.

[Selena Estiddies]

Like.

[Monet X Change]

I'm not saying. I'm not saying. Don't tell anyone you saw me there. Do whatever you want, but in that moment when my dick is in your mouth, do not reference. Don't. Don't be like. I don't want you to. Don't. Soak it up. Okay. Soak this nut up, bitch. Don't fucking smoke up my fucking thing.

[Selena Estiddies]

Oh, my God. You actually have been very helpful to me as a sister recently. Cause I was telling Monat how I've been feeling very down because there's these guys who have sex with Me. And they know it's me the whole time, but they won't disclose it till after the fact. And I was feeling some sort of way. Cause I'm like, oh, well, they don't really, like, want me. They just wanted to hook up with Selena. And Monet was like, bitch, if you think they're hot, you're a celebrity now, bitch. Go get that dick if you want it. And I was like, period.

[Monet X Change]

Girl, let me tell you something. When you are gay, famous, the world is your oyster. Any dick you want, you can have if you want it bad enough.

[Selena Estiddies]

Okay, well, I have a couple names I would like. Gus Kenworthy. Rob Anderson. No, I'm just kidding. I want to be on Glam Squad. So I'm not that one.

[Monet X Change]

Glam Slam. Oh, my God. You would kill Glam Slam. If we do a season two, we have to do la. And I would hope. I mean, you would. Y'. All. Y' all don't know. Selena is such a good seamstress.

[Selena Estiddies]

Thank you.

[Monet X Change]

How did you learn how to sew just by yourself?

[Selena Estiddies]

So during Pandemic, I hung out with Godoy a lot. And I would just ask her questions. I was, like, soaking it up like a sponge. Just, what. What can I learn? And she taught me everything, basically. And YouTube, you can learn anything on YouTube. Patterning is really the hardest part of sewing. Sewing is easy. The patterning is really hard.

[Monet X Change]

Except for fucking. I. I can sew, obviously. Again, I'm not a great seamstress, but I can. I can. I can make a leotard, a cat suit, and a gown. That's all I need to know how to make. And I. Hair. I try learning hair. I just. There's something about my brain and hair. Everyone makes fun of me. The girls on All Stars 7 made fun of me. Like that blue hair I wore with this. With the Shake Away lip sync. That one. It took me, like, four days. Four days to curl that hair. I washed it, and it took me four days to curl it. Okay. Hair is just not my thing.

[Selena Estiddies]

Do you think it's because you're bald?

[Monet X Change]

It's just not.

[Selena Estiddies]

You don't have much.

[Monet X Change]

I think so. I've never had hair. I've never had hair ever. Like, yes, obviously, yes, y'. All. I had hair up until I was, like, 25, but it was always a low Caesar. I would get. I would get my haircut every week. And every. Every Friday, I get my hair cut. Not every Friday. It used to fluctuate. But typically after class, every Saturday, I used to go in College. And it was always a low Caesar. Boom, boom, boom. Like, I never had long hair. I never had braids. I never had to curl anything. I never had to anything like that.

[Selena Estiddies]

Would you wear a durag anyways?

[Monet X Change]

Yeah, I used to wear durag. Of course, you know. Are you talking about a little durag? I used to be killing. Oh, my God. We talked about so many things. Oh, my God. Wait, there's something else I wanted to talk to you about. And now my brain is like, Squid Game said something, and I was like, oh, I'm gonna ask her about this.

[Selena Estiddies]

We talked about Seaway, Dorsantos, furries.

[Monet X Change]

Oh, Squid Games. What? It was Squid Game. Are you watching?

[Selena Estiddies]

Did you watch?

[Monet X Change]

Y' all know Selena? Wait, Selena? What is. What is the name of the show?

[Selena Estiddies]

Squid Games. The experience. The challenge.

[Monet X Change]

Y' all know Selena's a hood bitch. Hood people all call it Squid Games. It's one singular game. It's Squid Game.

[Selena Estiddies]

Is it?

[Monet X Change]

Yes. She's like, yeah, I went to the Squid Games Experience.

[Selena Estiddies]

I was on the RuPauls. Don't you know?

[Monet X Change]

Yes, it's one game. A squid Game.

[Selena Estiddies]

Oh, God. Well, listen, I would. They have an experience in LA where you can go play in real life, and there's multiple games. Okay, you play six games. And it was sickening. Bitch. I won the first game, so I was. I was on a high, and then I just started losing everything after that. It was rough. But would you do the Squid Games Challenge? Are you watching it?

[Monet X Change]

Yeah, I'm watching the show we're on. I think we just finished the Bridge. The. The. The Bridge one.

[Selena Estiddies]

That episode was so good. What did you think of that girl who wasn't a part of the group? Ashley.

[Monet X Change]

I think Ashley did the right thing. I'd been like, I don't. But this is 4.5 million. I don't care what y' all think. I don't care. Don't like me.

[Selena Estiddies]

That's how I thought, too. And then, like, they make her look bad. Like. Like it's a bad thing. It's like, no, girl, I'm trying to win.

[Monet X Change]

They do. But also, the randomness of that show is what would drive me insane. Like, oh, I hate it just for, like, once, because I. I just answered a phone just to go home. Like, that would drive me.

[Selena Estiddies]

Oh, it was the Battleship for me. If I died on the Battleship without getting a say, my heart, my whole pussy. I auditioned for season two. I sent a tape in Word. You should do it, too.

[Monet X Change]

I mean, I would. I feel like getting Cast in the first season was probably a good chance, but now everyone has seen it. Everybody and their fucking mother is going to try to be one of those. And they're only choosing 456 people. Granted, that's better options than like 20 for Survivor or Big Brother or like 14 for Drag Race. Yeah. But still, girl, that is woof.

[Selena Estiddies]

The odds. The odds are not in your favor.

[Monet X Change]

Yeah. Because also it's just such a larger pool. Right. Like only like so many people audition for Survivor or Big Brother, but everyone is hobby auditioning for this. Like literally everyone.

[Selena Estiddies]

Yeah. And it could be for everyone. I went to the Experience and there was these like three 75 year old ladies walking out of there all smiley. Go lucky. And I was like, did they cross the bridge?

[Monet X Change]

That being said, I think you'll get on.

[Selena Estiddies]

We'll see. We'll see. I would. I lost that red light. Green light. I was not good at it. I was the first one out.

[Monet X Change]

What can see. But how do they. How do they. How do they know if you move? Like, I don't trust. They have.

[Selena Estiddies]

They have this wristband and it vibrates if you. If you detect motion. So that's how they. They clocked it for this Experience thing.

[Monet X Change]

Interesting. And it was all. How many of y' all were playing it?

[Selena Estiddies]

It was about 30 of us.

[Monet X Change]

Oh, okay.

[Selena Estiddies]

Yeah, it wasn't that bad.

[Monet X Change]

It was a big room like that.

[Selena Estiddies]

Yeah. I mean it's a little smaller, but it is big. It's a big space and I would definitely go do it. If you're in la, it's up till March and it's only. It's really cheap. Like 50 bucks or something.

[Monet X Change]

We'll definitely do it.

[Selena Estiddies]

Go do it. I told Andy already.

[Monet X Change]

It's nothing, honey. It's $50.

[Selena Estiddies]

I was actually wanting to retract my statement after I said that because it's rough right now, y'. All. No one said the holidays are booking list.

[Monet X Change]

Like presents.

[Selena Estiddies]

You're not getting nothing.

[Monet X Change]

I always had an idea to do like a drag version of like of those Salvation Army Santas to get people to just tip you on the street, like during the holiday season. Yes. And like that instead of like that red bucket is something else. Because there's. Because. I mean, I think everyone knows like the Salvation army, they're like bad. They're like really religious and they don't. They're like anti. Quaint.

[Selena Estiddies]

It's like a pyramid scheme, right?

[Monet X Change]

Yeah, it's like so. Or they're just like bad people. Apparently they're like, really religious. But I always had an idea to, like, a drag version of that. Not to help anyone, just to get to. No, it was donated to, like, Ali Forney or Trevor project or something for quitting.

[Selena Estiddies]

Not me. I need the money myself on the S Titties project. Okay.

[Monet X Change]

But also how they would die in that squid game show, and them falling over, like, they really died was sending me. I'm happy that I stopped that, because it was very annoying to me.

[Selena Estiddies]

Oh, I loved it. I would be the most dramatic death. I would be like. I would be so obnoxious, it would be sickening.

[Monet X Change]

I'll be shady. I would get, like, one of those, like, blood packets from my mouth, and when my employer, I would, like, bite it down and start bleeding in my mouth, they'd be like, oh, my God, did she really die?

[Selena Estiddies]

Oh, my God.

[Monet X Change]

Selena, do it. You'll go viral. Do it.

[Selena Estiddies]

All right, I'll do it. I'll just keep a blood pack in my mouth every challenge.

[Monet X Change]

Yeah, girl. Just in case. Wow.

[Selena Estiddies]

Not you not believing in me, that I'll make it to the end. It's fine. You saw me on Drag Race.

[Monet X Change]

Okay, before you go, I have one final question I want to ask you. Okay. Would you ever go back for an All Stars?

[Selena Estiddies]

Listen? Hell, yeah. But I just. I feel like the Ross Matthews thing really put a bad taste in their mouth and Rue's mouth, so I've just been trying to wash that out. I think everyone's fine now, but I'm trying to be a good girl. So, like, if they're not too nasty about that, if, like, I don't want to go back, and they're like, we got this faggot. We're gonna make her eat our ass. You know what I mean? Like, I don't want it to be, like, malicious or petty in that way where I'm just getting thrown under the bus or, like, ratted on. So I want to go back, like, on good terms. Does that make sense?

[Monet X Change]

Yeah, that makes sense. But listen, they. They may take them, like, a little while, but they get over everything. After all the shit India Farrah said about drag race and RuPaul, everything. And they put her back on the show. Yeah, they may be a little upset about it, but they'll be fine, you know, in a few.

[Selena Estiddies]

Yeah, well, I'm trying to do good. I made amends real quick. I stopped talking about Ross Matthews. Not a thing. I like. I like. I don't mind him. Not a thing. But I just want to.

[Monet X Change]

I mean, they get it. It's fucking drag. It's fucking drag. It's culture. Like. Like, it's. We're artists, and we're artists and we're sensitive about our. People say all the time, like, it's fine. You are not out here. Like, some of these. Who'll be out here? Crazy. You know what I mean? But it'll be fine.

[Selena Estiddies]

And, like, I want to go back to All Stars after I kind of made my mark on the world now that people kind of know who I am. Like, I want to go back to All Stars with people knowing she can't sing, she can't dance, she can't act. Look at all this proof so that when, if any, you know, happens on the show, they'll know the truth. You know what I mean? Your first season, people are just taking you at face value from the show and whatever the show presents.

[Monet X Change]

Yeah.

[Selena Estiddies]

I feel like my goal right now is to try to prove to the world, like, y' all watch. Y' all watch.

[Monet X Change]

Yeah, I feel that. You know what I mean? Selena, it was such a pleasure to have you in the pod, doll.

[Selena Estiddies]

We talk so much about sex. It's so fun.

[Monet X Change]

I mean, I love talking about sex. Sex is one of my favorite things to talk about. It's everything.

[Selena Estiddies]

I love it. Not only do people have enough of it and everybody.

[Monet X Change]

That's the gag also to it. People are either not having enough of it or having too much. And you know what? Whichever one you choose, that is your right to do so and more power to you.

[Selena Estiddies]

Correct. Period.

[Monet X Change]

Well, I'm gonna see at the party in like, literally like an hour and change.

[Selena Estiddies]

Oh, my God. Literally. Okay, well, I'll see you there and we'll report back.

[Monet X Change]

Okay, babe, I'll see you in a minute.

[Selena Estiddies]

I love you. I'll see you there. Bye, y'.

[Monet X Change]

All. Bye, siblings. Marketing is hard, but I'll tell you a little secret.

[Selena Estiddies]

It doesn't have to be. Let me point something out.

[Monet X Change]

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[Selena Estiddies]

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[Monet X Change]

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[Selena Estiddies]

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[Monet X Change]

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