The One About Tyra Banks

Summary

Sibling Rivalry: The One About Tyra Banks

Original air date: February 23, 2026
Hosts: Bob the Drag Queen & Monét X Change
Topic: In-depth discussion and lively recap of “Reality Check,” the America’s Next Top Model documentary, Tyra Banks’ influence and legacy, and the wild memories associated with Top Model and its controversies.

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Episode Overview

This raucous and revealing episode of Sibling Rivalry sees Bob and Monét taking a raucous joyride through pop culture nostalgia and reality TV reckoning, as they dissect the new ANTM documentary “Reality Check.” Cackling, reminiscing, and critiquing with their signature irreverence, they examine Tyra Banks’ complicated legacy, the highs and lows of Top Model, and the personal and broader ramifications of the show—plus plenty of outrageous tangents and legendary quotes.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Opening Banter & Cocaine Bathroom Story

Timestamps: 00:00 - 07:30

• Monét claims Bob is always sick and sniffling; Bob insists it’s a deviated septum.
• Playful accusations fly about alleged cocaine use in NYC’s drag nightlife.
• Monét tells the infamous "key bump in the bathroom" story from the 2014 Glam Awards, culminating in her embarrassing, clumsy refusal to actually do cocaine.
  Quote:

  “Instead of inhaling, I exhaled, and the powder went everywhere.”
  — Monét, (03:03)

2. Nostalgia for NYC Yellow Cabs & Public Transit Anxiety

Timestamps: 03:45 - 06:30

• Memories of NYC yellow cabs versus Uber culture.
• Bob expresses distrust of buses:

  “The bus will just turn... I want you to just go up and down, just go left to right. Don’t be bobbing and weaving through traffic!”
  — Bob (06:12)

3. “Higgledy Piggledy,” Rich Kid Accusations, & Childhood Memories

Timestamps: 06:33 - 15:45

• Monét accuses Bob of growing up wealthy because his family owned a New York City home.
• Bob recounts humble beginnings: five people sharing the house, sharing a bed with his grandmother.
• Ongoing argument about daily allowance, access to school lunches, and which game consoles each host had as proof or denial of “rich kid” status.
• Cody the dog’s cone of shame is discussed, along with animal self-image and screens.

4. “Reality Check” Documentary Recap & America’s Next Top Model

Timestamps: 18:12 - 69:24

a. General Reactions to the Documentary

Timestamps: 18:12 - 27:49

• Both hosts binge-watched all three episodes and reflect on the series' cultural impact as well as the “capsule” approach to Top Model coverage.
• Questions about whether Drag Race would ever get the “Reality Check” treatment.

b. Tyra Banks as Supermodel & Showrunner

Timestamps: 27:49 - 28:45

• Monét is "enamored" by Tyra Banks’ beauty, prestige, and messiness:

  “Tyra Banks is my favorite supermodel. I acknowledge that she’s messy and problematic, but…this to me, this is a fucking supermodel.”
  — Monét (27:49)

• Reflections on Tyra’s influence and casting power, particularly advocating for Ms. Jay and Jay Manuel.

c. Early ANTM Production Anecdotes

Timestamps: 28:45 - 32:33

• First season shot in a hotel suite; the dramatic increase in production budget by season two.
• The drive to create ever more extreme, TV-friendly modeling challenges.

d. The Shandy Incident & Early Scandals

Timestamps: 32:33 - 36:11

• Dissection of Shandy’s sexual assault insinuation and the show’s mishandling and reframing of her trauma as merely “cheating.”

  “The show framed it as her cheating…there was no conversation about [assault].”
  — Monét (33:08)

• Context of 2000s reality TV ethics versus present-day perspectives.

e. Dangerous Challenges, Problematic Makeovers, & Body Image

Timestamps: 36:38 - 46:10

• Endless one-upmanship leads to hazardous tasks, e.g., huge heels, swinging pendulums.
• The notorious dental surgeries for Dani and Joanie, with Dani’s gap tooth drama recounted in detail (and irony when future seasons add a gap to another model).

  “You want to be seen like this on your go-sees?”
  — Tyra Banks (as paraphrased by Bob, 40:33)

• The show’s role in furthering the industry’s punishing, narrow beauty standards.

f. Ownership, Responsibility, and Scapegoating

Timestamps: 41:09 - 44:32

• Debate over Tyra’s responsibility as an EP, and whether others like Jay Manuel and Nigel own up to their roles.

  “You were part of it. Like, yeah, you’re just doing your job…but it is problematic.”
  — Bob (43:02)

• Allusions to “problematic” shoots: blackface, “bulimia” photo shoots, faked weight-gain storylines, and the cost of retouching as a (sometimes spurious) rationale for shaming models’ bodies.

g. Post-ANTM Careers & Tyra’s Mentorship

Timestamps: 48:53 - 52:55

• Dani’s feeling of abandonment after Tyra offered her no post-show support.

  “You’re not owed this mentorship from Tyra Banks…you’re guaranteed a chance to market yourself, and after that…you’re not owed mentorship.”
  — Bob (49:03)

• Discussion of the different levels of post-show success for models like Winnie Harlow and Eva Marcille.

h. Drag Race vs. ANTM Parallels

Timestamps: 69:05 - 70:43

• Noting direct influences, e.g., the “photo reveal” elimination structure.
• Bob wishes Drag Race would incorporate the same high-drama, iconic elimination ritual.

i. Tyra’s Apologies, Absences, and Final Thoughts

Timestamps: 61:35 - 66:40

• Do Tyra’s apologies “go far enough”? Thoughts on forgiveness, with different contestants expressing varying levels of closure or ongoing pain—particularly Tiffany Richardson’s post-documentary social media outburst.

  “I would like to see the people she wrong, the people who she wronged…Ms. J seems to forgive her. J. Emanuel seems not. Nigel seems to forgive her, and a lot of the models not.”
  — Monét (61:52)

• Discussion of notable absences in the documentary: Tiffany, Janice Dickinson, Kelly Cutrone, Isis King, Jade, Lisa, and Winnie Harlow.
• Critique of the lack of discussion around certain issues, e.g., transphobia against Isis.
• Ms. J’s health struggles are revealed: “the diva who teaches the girls to walk…has lost the ability to walk.”

j. Iconic Quotes & Memeable Moments

Timestamps: various

• “Would you suck dick for water?”
  — Bob, referencing the Fyre Festival scandal and the lengths people go for survival/approval (20:16)
• “Sucking dick for water—you are a humanitarian. I’ve sucked dick for so much less…”
  — Bob (20:20)
• “When we were all 12, 11, 9 years old watching [the blackface shoot], we’re like, whoa, that’s really cool.”
  — Monét, acknowledging youth naiveté and later learning (57:35)

k. Book Club Launch

Timestamps: 59:38 - 61:29

• Announcement that they will launch "Bob's (Beaumont’s) Book Club" with Jay Manuel’s The Wig, The Bitch, and The Meltdown as the first featured book.

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Notable Quotes

• “Tyra Banks is that girl when it comes to supermodeling for me.” — Monét (27:49)
• “[ANTM] does show how you can pick someone out of obscurity and they can become this high [level]...” — Bob (33:41)
• “They can pluck you out of obscurity, but they can also send you right back to obscurity.” — Monét (36:11)
• “You’re not owed this mentorship from Tyra Banks.” — Bob (49:03)
• “The switching races thing...yes, it involved blackface, but it did look really cool.” — Monét (57:21, controversial statement)
• “Thank you guys all for listening. Look out for the Beaumont Book Club... [We’re] starting with The Wig, The Bitch, and The Meltdown.” — Bob (67:19)

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Key Timestamps & Segments

• 00:00 – Bob and Monét roast each other, “cocaine” story time
• 06:33 – “Higgledy piggledy,” rich kid banter, allowance drama
• 18:12 – Top Model documentary (Reality Check) begins
• 32:33 – The Shandy and early Top Model drama analyzed
• 40:28 – Gap tooth, dental makeover pressure discussed
• 46:22 – “Is Tyra really responsible?”; scapegoating, ownership debate
• 49:03 – Mentorship, post-show responsibility discussed
• 61:35 – Tyra’s apology: does it matter? Contestant reactions
• 69:05 – Drag Race-ANTM connections
• 69:24 – Season 25 predictions, reality TV cycle
• 67:19 – Book club announcement (The Wig, The Bitch, and The Meltdown)

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Episode Tone & Energy

• Chaotic, irreverent, and deeply affectionate for the messiness of 00s/10s reality TV.
• Bob and Monét alternate between nostalgia, sharp critique, and off-color humor.
• Self-aware about the problematic elements of the media they love.

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Final Takeaways

• The “Reality Check” documentary prompts both affectionate nostalgia and harsh criticism of Top Model’s legacy.
• Tyra Banks’s star power is undiminished, but the show’s history is riddled with ethical blind spots and real harm.
• The hosts offer a nuanced look: holding problematic reality TV accountable, but also fondly remembering its influence and the larger-than-life personalities that made it iconic.
• Bob’s Book Club is announced, promising deep dives into the behind-the-scenes world of ANTM and Tyra’s orbit.

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For listeners who want both a trip down reality TV memory lane and a critical reappraisal of its excesses and oversights, this episode is a must-listen—and sets up a community experience with the new book club.

Transcript

[A]

My name is Bob the Drag Queen,

[B]

and I'm Monet x Change, and this is simply rivalry. On this week's episode, things get higgledy piggledy.

[A]

We talk about America's Next Top Model

[B]

documentary, and we find out what made Bob say this.

[A]

Sucking the dick for water. You are a humanitarian. And we found out what made Monet say this.

[B]

What's wrong with. What's wrong with biting your own penis? You said first, and I used both

[C]

words to use in the first 15 minutes. You have to figure out, are you snake?

[B]

I'm not sick, but you have no idea. Talking about my sniffling when you literally. You still sniff on our podcast every episode. Land. The other day, Landon Land had to send a thing about how much you have to edit your nipples out.

[A]

I have a deviated septum.

[B]

No, you don't.

[A]

Yes, I do. I have a deviated septum.

[B]

You have money. You have health insurance.

[A]

You're just sick and spreading sickness across L. A. Well, then why are you? Why are you.

[B]

Because I just did a bump of cocaine. I just. I just did a bump. A bump. A bump of cocaine. Right. To start the podcast. So I have energy for you.

[A]

You kikiing, But I believe you.

[B]

You know I don't do no damn cocaine.

[A]

I've seen you do cocaine. Okay, well, so if we call Tina Burner right now and ask her if she offered you a bump of cocaine in the bathroom, you're gonna say that didn't happen.

[B]

Correct. Because you don't have to do no damn cocaine.

[A]

Tina Burner never offered you a bump of cocaine in the. In the bathroom.

[B]

That was not Tina Burner. You already got the story wrong.

[A]

Sorry. Pussy couture never offered you a bump of cocaine.

[B]

Oh, now. Now all of a sudden, you remember. She didn't offer me, but I didn't do it.

[A]

Did she put it up to your nose? And what did you do?

[B]

I told this story to podcast. It was after the glam awards in 2014. I was in a bathroom. I was on the second floor of the Ritz, and it was me and a bunch of, like, the popular nightlife girls. And I was like, oh, my God, I'm with the nightlife girls. I just started my drag curl. I'm like, this is cool. And then they're like, girl, come to the bathroom with us. Back then, I did not know what going to the bathroom meant. I thought I was like, oh, we're gonna have drinks. We're going to the bathroom. We're gonna talk about our deepest insecurities. I don't know what was going on. So we all go to the bathro and then they stand around. Cause you know, the bathroom on the second floor in the Roots was big. Oh my God, you see that drool just jumped.

[A]

But when I said you drooled. But when I said you drooled it, I was crazy.

[B]

Anyway, so we're all in the bathroom. It was like six of us standing in a circle. I'm like, hey, guys.

[A]

Like, woo hoo.

[B]

How's everyone doing? Then one, I forget who pulls out the baggie. I think it was. It was pussy couture. She pulls out the baggie. And then. And then a key. And then someone pulled out a key. I was like, oh, my God. And I was like, oh, my God, this is it. I was like, this is like, this is the drug. I'm officially a cool girl. They invited me to do drugs in the bathroom.

[A]

Oh my God, I cannot. I hate this story.

[B]

So then they're all going around, dipping the key in, taking a sniff, going around and around. And it gets to me. And I was like, well, I don't want to do it, but I don't want to look like I'm like, you know, like whack. Or I'm like, boring. So I take a key. A big ass bump too. I don't know how big or small to go, but I was like, took a ladle. I was like, sky's the limit. I took a big bump and instead of snorting in like inhaling, I exhaled. And then the powder went everywhere. And then I was like, girl, what is wrong with you? And I was like, girl, I'm just so drunk. Girl, I'm just so drunk.

[A]

Sorry, y'.

[B]

All.

[A]

Sorry. Well, you probably were drunk.

[B]

Knowing.

[C]

Knowing.

[A]

Knowing how you used to be at the.

[B]

At the club.

[A]

That part thought was true.

[B]

It probably was a little tense, dude.

[A]

Usually get twisted.

[B]

But then I took a yellow cab home.

[A]

Oh my God, the yellow. I think I saw yellow cab there. I was like, what the fuck is that? Oh, no.

[B]

They slept them a lot in the city.

[A]

I know I gagged. But y' all don't remember back in the day? Back in my day, most of the cars were yellow cabs. It was like the streets were yellow.

[B]

Yeah, yeah. Do you miss that? Do you miss the yellow cabs?

[A]

No, the yellow cabs were horrible. God, they were horrible.

[B]

Ah, like here, man. I mean, yeah. Cause they don't watch out for you. Uber is like a guaranteed stop after

[A]

watch ads in the backseat or press that little mute button um, also, sometimes the seats would just be like one big plastic bucket seat. Like, not like, no, no fabric. Just like a plastic, easy to clean if someone vomits or pisses or shits themselves. Bucket seat in the back. Um, I've had those a few times. Not often, but I've had it a few times. And they were. I just did not like yellow cabs. I would. I would be. I would feel really nice when a. When a yellow cab SUV will pull up like a. Like a Toyota RAV4 or.

[C]

Or.

[B]

Or the Highlander or the Honda CRV or the Honda CRV.

[A]

But I. I mean, I. I hate that that industry is gone, but I do prefer to be in an Uber. I'm not gonna lie to you.

[B]

I wonder how it's really. Oh, my God. How is it living under Zoran's rule?

[A]

It's great. The buses are free. We're a communist city now. No one free for real already.

[B]

I don't know.

[A]

Granted. Take buses. When I lived here, I'm scared of the buses. Because the thing about a bus is a bus will just turn. You think you're going south and then you are going east and you're like, whoa, whoa.

[B]

Well, maybe, maybe you look up the route before you get on the bus, Bob. Maybe that's the thing you're going to get.

[A]

But the route on the bus is not like the train route is clear. Even when it deviates, it shows that it goes a little bit left. But the bus routes is just a. The route is just a straight line. It has the whole thing on it. You have to just know when it's turning. So to be on the bus that is just. That has just turned. The only bus I would ever take was the crosstown 96th street bus. I would take the 9th Street. Cause that's the only way to get across the park. Unless you walk or. I mean, how's the. I mean, there's probably. I think it was on 86th too. But the 96th street crosstown bus. Or maybe the 86th Street. I haven't taken so long.

[B]

Yeah, it's on 86th Street.

[A]

Yeah, the 86th street crosstown bus that goes to the park. I would take that bus a lot. Cause how else am I supposed to get to the east side?

[B]

Obviously, bitch, you acting like. You acting like you on. You're in the movie Speed. The bus is just going and you can't get off the bus.

[A]

That's what it feels like when the bus takes a sharp fucking left out of nowhere. Like, girl, I want you to just go up and down. Just go left to right. Don't be bobbing and weaving through traffic. Just go in the direction I need you to go so I don't get confused.

[B]

I want to say, girl, you are confusion. You be on a bus, giving fucking higgly piggly. Just confused as hell. Don't know what the fuck you doing.

[A]

You didn't even know what higgledy piggledy means.

[B]

Confusion, angel. Confusion.

[A]

I actually learned. You know how I learned the term higgledy piggledy? What's his name from. What's that show?

[B]

Jared Bloom.

[A]

No. British guy. He was in our. He was. I probably shouldn't say this, but he

[B]

has a big penis. Ooh, British guy. Who.

[A]

He was on our tour, girl. He's in our blog. He's in that blog.

[C]

I did.

[B]

Oh, oh, oh, Jimmy.

[A]

Yeah, that's his name. Yeah. And he. In the vlog, he, like. I was like, you remember? I don't know if you remember because you probably don't watch my vlogs, but bob around. UK version. He. He wiggles his dick at the camera.

[B]

I mean, I watched a blog. I don't remember that. It was also. So that. Girl, that was so long ago. That was like.

[A]

We're backstage. We're wearing our Dreamgirls outfits.

[B]

Oh, my God.

[A]

By the way, where is mine? Give me. Give me that.

[C]

Give.

[A]

Give me that outfit. No, but you're never going to wear it again. And also, you're constantly threatening to throw. To throw our things away.

[B]

Not constantly threatening to throw away.

[A]

Yes, you are. You are.

[B]

Literally.

[A]

I was like, I'm going to throw this away. I'm going to throw this away. I'm going to throw this away.

[B]

No, I'm not going to throw it away. And I paid. Why would I pay? Why would I give you something I paid for? It's this. I paid for that dress, bitch, because

[A]

you're going to throw it away. And you're so.

[C]

I think.

[A]

I feel like if you and I have something that we got together, like a matching version, if you're going to throw it away, you should either offer to sell it to me or give it to me. But don't put it in the trash, which is your favor. Yeah. If you ever find out where Monet lives, go search through the trash. You'll find couture garment. Because apparently Monet don't care about money. Money is nothing to her. Not an object.

[B]

Okay, this thing that you try to pretend like I'm just so affluent is not a real thing. I'M not. I did not say I'm broke. But you. This. Can you. After all the Ginger Minj drama and our Ginger Minj. Our cantankerous relationship.

[A]

Ginger Minj.

[B]

I said Ginger Minj.

[A]

Jay, run it back.

[B]

After all the Ginger Minj drama.

[A]

And now we're back.

[B]

Our kids anchors relationship. Can you admit that you have perpetuated these lies about me being this growing up, this rich kid? Can you?

[A]

Can you? I genuinely believe that you grew up wealthy. And I'm not even kidding, Bob.

[B]

Why would you think I grew up wealthy?

[A]

I'm gonna lay. Okay. I think my next video will be. I think I'm actually gonna do an expose. A Bob. Expose, Bob. A expose on how wealthy you grew up. Cause you did grow up wealthy.

[B]

I did not grow up wealthy.

[A]

This is why I think you grew up wealthy. I will never go to the fact that your family owns a house in New York City. A house, not an apartment.

[B]

Kamiko's house in New York City, too.

[A]

Do what?

[B]

Kamika's family owns a house in New York City. Is Kameka wealthy?

[A]

Yeah. Wealthy people hang out with wealthy people. You think Monet's like, this is literally you saying everyone has a house. Everyone has a housekeeper. All your friends have housekeepers. Everyone owns a house in New York City.

[B]

Monet.

[A]

Owning a house. And I googled homes in your neighborhood. They're very pricey. Very pricey.

[B]

Why are you googling homes in my neighborhood? You're such a weirdo.

[A]

That's not weird. All I did was go through Zillow and type in your neighborhood and look at how much a house cost. Let me tell you right now, if y' all sold that house, you'd be good. Let's just say a few people could not work for at least a year

[B]

in that same house. You know, five of us live there. My grandmother and I shared a bedroom. My grandma and I slept in the same bedroom from fifth grade to seventh grade. When I was seventh grade, she was like, all right, I'm gonna sleep on my grandma's. Slept on the floor of my bedroom from seventh grade to now.

[A]

You're saying fifth to seventh grade, but in your video, Ginger Ben, you said, like, up until 12th grade. So which one is that?

[B]

Okay. Slept in the same bedroom. Like, we. We slept in the same bedroom. Bedroom from 5 to 12. But we shared. We literally slept in the same bed. Like, shared a full size bed in 4th and 4th and 6th grade. 7th grade. She was like, I'm gonna sleep on the floor. I'm getting. I'm a grown. I'm a grown up man. Not a man, a grown boy. So she. My grandmother slept on the floor of my bedroom for seven minutes.

[A]

You made your grandmother sleep on the floor?

[B]

She would not sleep on the bed. She's like, no, Kevin, you sleep on the bed. She was like, I'm gonna sleep on the floor.

[A]

This is. Well, you could have went to sleep before her and just let her sleep in the bed.

[B]

It was a. It was. It was just. It was just what the thing was.

[A]

Is your grandma a big lady? A little lady?

[B]

You. You're my grandmother?

[A]

Yeah. Pick her ass up, put her in the bed.

[B]

You grown, you strong anyway. And so is it.

[A]

That's another rich kid behavior. Grandmother, you sleep on the floor crying with crown prince of Saint Lucia. Ew. Dear grandmother, you deserve to sleep on the floor. Of course, I am the heir to the Bertrand Fran. And also you had it. You having allowance that. When I say that blew my mind. Daily allowance, y'. All.

[B]

Daily. Because I. Okay. And I told you that allowance had to get me lunch, breakfast and lunch from school and an after school snack.

[A]

You didn't get free school lunch?

[B]

No, no, that's not. Because I went to performing arts.

[A]

Brookies had free school lunch.

[B]

The performing arts school was different. Like your qualifications for. Because you're already getting subsidize like the. Your whatever.

[A]

Are you trying to tell me right now that. That art schools in New York don't give free lunches?

[B]

No, they have free lunch, but it depends on like, who the broke kids. It depends on what the government's already paying for you. For example, if you lived in a neighborhood, you got to go to the school for free. If you're coming from Brooklyn like myself, you're part of your. The government, whatever. They're paying for you to go to the school. So you get like half lunch. You don't get completely free.

[A]

So you got reduced lunch.

[B]

I got reduced lunch.

[A]

How much was it?

[B]

I don't know, maybe like 75 cents or a dollar a meal.

[A]

Something they adding up. I need to call Kamika. I need to get Kamika in here. What game consoles did you have growing up?

[B]

I had a PlayStation 2.

[A]

Hey, hey, hey, look at this one here.

[B]

What game consoles do you have growing up?

[A]

I had a Sega, a Sega Saturn.

[B]

Oh, all of them. Just go. Yeah, keep on listening.

[A]

I wanna be clear. This is from when I was like 5 until I graduated high school. I had a Nintendo, a Super Nintendo, and then I had a Sega, and then I had a Sega Saturn. And then I had a PlayStation.

[B]

Okay, so. And also, you were born so long before me. That makes sense.

[A]

I was born four years before you.

[B]

That's a long time.

[A]

And then I had a PlayStation 2 that I took to college with me.

[B]

Okay, see, here you go. There you go. Weasel words, my aunt. That you took to college. So what, it just materialized in college? You got it when you were in high school. You took it to college.

[A]

I got it when I was in high school.

[B]

I need this. My back.

[A]

Tao wants a pillow to warm his legs. My laptop's cold.

[B]

Duh.

[A]

This is another rich one. Tal Beckley. He wasn't rich growing up, too. Tal grew up rich. Jacob. All y' all rich.

[C]

Can you show Cody's haircut to the viewers?

[A]

I don't know where he's at. He doesn't have the haircut. Oh, he doesn't? Cody, he's in the room. Oh, well, Cody's coming in a way, but one day I'm doing a full documentary. Also, I did a video on YouTube where they were asking us to name the flamingo in my studio. And the top vote is that her name is Julietta.

[B]

Why y' all name.

[A]

I said. I said I'd name whatever the people name Cody.

[B]

Why y' all naming the thing Julietta?

[A]

They. That's what they. I said whatever the top vote is. Cody wears a cone because he bites

[B]

his dick a lot, so he has to wear the cone forever, just until

[A]

he stops biting his dick.

[B]

No, I mean, he's been wearing the cone since I met Cody.

[A]

Yeah, he wears a cone ever. Whenever he's, like, whenever he. Yeah, he's. He's a. He's a little dick chewer.

[B]

But what's wrong with. What's wrong with biting your own penis?

[A]

His dick is covered in, like, bites and bruises. Cody, that's you. Oh, yeah?

[B]

Well, do animals know what they're looking at?

[A]

I don't know.

[B]

Does he think this is another dog or does he think.

[A]

No, I think if he thought it was another dog, he'd try to interact with it.

[B]

So what? So what does he think he's looking at?

[A]

Bitch, I don't fucking know what Cody thinks he's looking at. Maybe thinking it's just a picture. I think also he realized he can't smell. I think, like, he can't use any of his senses besides sight. So I think, like, when you see a dog. Although I've seen, like, videos of, like, animals in the. In the wild, and they come across a mirror and they go fucking crazy. Have you seen that video, I think

[C]

a mirror is different than like a computer screen or like a phone screen. Cause when you're looking at a computer, a phone like changes the size, but it mirrors perfectly in scale. So I think they're more likely to think a mirror is real than looking like a tiny box on like a phone or computer.

[B]

Because, I mean, because when Colleen was a, when Colleen was a kitten, she would see a mirror and she would like, that big mirror is hit my hallway and she'll go crazy. But now as an adult, she would see a mirror.

[A]

She's like, maybe she just sick of that cat. She's like, this cat will not leave. It never leaves this area. Fuck this cat. I don't know what her problem is. She's kind of, she's kind of sexy. She's a good looking cat. That being said, I want to talk about our actual topic today.

[C]

I. What did you think your words were?

[A]

Oh, we had the same word, Katie Queen. It was higgledy piggledy.

[B]

Oh, I was like, I did not hear Bob's. But. But I got mine.

[A]

I said mine. I said higgledy piggly like three times.

[B]

No, but after I said it, you said, you said, what are you.

[A]

I got a right to say it.

[B]

But I. But if in the context of this game, I think I win because I got it out first.

[A]

Before we go, I won. Like the win is to who clocks the other person's word. And your word was higgledy piggledy. I clocked it.

[B]

No, you didn't. You just said it until Jacob said it.

[A]

No, I said higgledy piggledy after you said it. And then I clocked it. You said, Jacob said what was the other word? And your word was higgledy piggledy.

[B]

And I. Okay, I knew yours was higgly piggly too.

[A]

You did not.

[B]

Yes, I do.

[A]

I'm gonna

[B]

chat. You let me know.

[A]

But I did learn that word.

[B]

You love the chat now. Chat.

[A]

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[B]

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[A]

here's something that I want to talk about. Last night I watched all three episodes. Was it all in one night? Did we watch one before?

[B]

I watched them all. I watched. I watched all of them yesterday, too.

[A]

Well, there's only three episodes. If you have three hours of your life, you can sit down and watch Reality Check, which is a documentary about America's next top Model. I want to hear your thought. If I knew we were. If I knew we were going to talk about it on the pod, I would have taken copiousness.

[B]

I would have, too. I wonder if this is a series, is it going to be Reality check, blah, blah, blah. It's just Reality Check. And TM is just one capsule thing.

[A]

What are you going to do? What are you going to do when they do reality check on RuPaul's Drag Race?

[B]

I literally. I threaded that yesterday. I was like, y' all gonna gag when they do a reality check, A rufall drag race.

[A]

What are they gonna say, though? There's not really, like, any drama like that. Like, no one was hyper. No one was hyperventilating. No one was. Yeah. I mean, no girls are fainted. Has anyone ever fainted?

[B]

Girls have. Girls have peed on stage. I'm one of this season.

[A]

What'd you say, Jacob?

[B]

Briar Blush.

[A]

Oh, yeah. Briar. Yeah. Briar Blush did faint this season.

[B]

Five of us have had to urinate on stage cause for fear.

[A]

I wanna be clear. You could have, like. I'm not saying. Okay, let me approach this with some level of decorum. You could have left, like, when I had to pee. I just said, I'm gonna go pee. They were telling me I couldn't. I was like, what are you gonna do? What are you gonna do, tackle me? I'm going to. Actually, what I did was I threatened to piss in a trash can in the work room. That's what I did.

[B]

See that?

[A]

They were like. I was like. They were like, we need to go to the main stage right now. I said, I have to pee. And they said, we don't have time for you to pee. You have to go to the main stage right now. And I said, okay, I'm gonna piss in this trash can. So I started taking my clothes out. I pulled a trash can over. I started pulling my dick out. I didn't actually get to my penis. I was never going to actually pee in the trash can. I pulled the trash can to the corner, and I was going to piss in the trash can. And they were like, take Bob to the bathroom.

[B]

Okay, now, what if. What if they called your bluff and

[A]

be like, okay, I would have peed in the trash can? I mean, I was facing the corner. I wasn't showing my dick to anyone. I had the trash can in there. You can ask the girl. The girls will be like, yeah, I remember Bob doing this. I pulled the trash can to the corner, and I started getting undressed, and I was fully prepared to piss in the trash can. Fully.

[B]

He's on the guy in fyre fest. I was fully prepared to go down

[A]

there and suck his dick and suck his dick for water. Also. Sucking the dick for water. You're. You are a humanitarian. I've sucked dick for so much less, like, to get water for a community, baby. I've sucked dick for the. For this. For the love of the game.

[B]

Was that guy still claiming that? He was like. Like, what was his deal? He was. He was a governor.

[A]

The guy who wanted his dick sucked for the water. I can't remember the guy. I don't know if the guy wanted his dick sucked, but, like, actually, I can't. I remember the guy saying he would. That he was gonna go suck this man's dick for water.

[B]

That was crazy.

[A]

Would you suck dick for water, girl?

[B]

I'm so dick for literally nothing.

[A]

Of course, literally.

[B]

But I enjoy sucking dick. I don't know if this guy enjoys sucking dick, you know?

[A]

Well, he's gay.

[B]

Was he gay?

[A]

Yeah, he was gay.

[B]

Oh, I didn't know the guy who

[A]

was gone on suck the dick was gay.

[D]

Yeah.

[B]

Fire festival was gay. Fyre festival. That was pandemic. That we all watched it. Or was it before Pandemic?

[A]

I want to say it was 2019.

[B]

Yeah. Because Joe Dirt. Not Joe Dirt. Joe.

[A]

Exotic.

[B]

Yeah. Tiger King was.

[C]

So the containers of water were stuck at customs, so they needed to clear all the water through customs. So he's going to meet with the head of customs to get the water to the island.

[B]

The head of customs wanted his dick sucked.

[A]

I don't think the guy. He didn't say that the guy at customs, like, explicitly wanted his dick suck. I think that he was saying that the guy. And this is like, a vague memory call. The guy at customs was kind of flirting with him because he knew he was gay. And then he was like, I was fully prepared. It kind of reminds me of Dylan Lovato. I remember thinking, I'm gonna. I'm about to beat this bitch up. That's one of my. That's one. There was a time where I could not stop saying that. I remember thinking, I'm about to beat this bitch up.

[B]

We don't talk about the documentary. That documentary. That Demi Lovato thing was so good. It was so.

[A]

I've only seen that clip. I haven't actually seen the whole thing.

[B]

Oh, the whole thing is good. The whole thing is good.

[A]

Do you miss Demi Lovato when she was on her.

[B]

When she was on her.

[C]

Her.

[B]

Her gender journey.

[A]

But also, do you miss Alien experiencer?

[B]

Oh, my God, yes. She went through a few lifetimes, didn't she?

[C]

Hi, I'm Demi Lovato, singer, activist, and UFO experiencer.

[A]

That's the quote. She has a whole UFO experience. A UFO documentary. She is wild. Demi Lovato is really a wild one.

[B]

But that being said.

[A]

Oh, my God. Colleen. Do you wear this in front of Colleen, girl?

[B]

So I bought it to do.

[A]

Can you hear me? Kind of.

[B]

I bought it because I want. I've seen the TikTok videos, how cats react to this. I'm gonna do a video of Colleen reacting to this.

[A]

Oh, my God. Poor Colleen. I feel so bad for that girl.

[B]

How do I look? Do I look cool?

[A]

It's so cool. I ta. Won't let me prank Cody.

[B]

Why?

[C]

I don't know.

[A]

He thinks it'll. It'll. Was. The video I wanted to do was what I wanted to do with Cody. It was gonna be mean. No, it wasn't mean. What was it? Do you remember I said it's in the dms. It's like a trick or something. It's a trick. Yeah, it's definitely a trick. It's something.

[B]

Where You. Oh, when you, like, take the blanket and then you, like, disappear. Like you drop it and it disappear.

[A]

No, it wasn't the blanket. I mean, it was. It wasn't the nicest thing. What was it? No, it was. What was it? It's in the DMs. Yeah. Back to Tyra. Tyra. Yeah, I forgot. But there was something. There was something I wanted to do to Cody, but I can't remember what it was. Oh, it's gonna drive me crazy. This is gonna drive me crazy. I'm gonna get it, Jake. I'm gonna get to Cody. I mean, to Tyra in a second. But I just. Trying to remember what it was I was trying to do to Cody. Shit.

[B]

Oh, this.

[A]

Yeah, that's gonna make him so. Oh, the idea was. The idea was we put a plate of food in front of Cody and then we have people come in and kidnap Tao to see if Cody will stop eating the food to save Tao.

[B]

That's good. That's a good. That's a good one for me.

[A]

I don't think Cody.

[C]

Cody's a fragile dog.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

Meaning what? He won't try. He'll just eat the food and be like, bye, bitch.

[A]

I think Cody would probably piss himself

[B]

and he would probably have problems eating food from then.

[A]

Tao thinks he'll have a problem eating food going forward, which is probably true. Which he already has. Yeah. Cody grabs kibble and then he, like, takes to the corner and then he eats it, and then he goes back to the bowl and then he takes the kibble and he goes to the corner. Then he eats it and then he kind of. He is very strange.

[C]

To clarify, Cody was a rescue. So Tao rescued Cody from a situation that was not great for him.

[B]

I say that. You're describing how I eat here at home with Andy's ass around. I gotta take.

[A]

I gotta take my food over the corner, bitch. Open container in front of Andy is crazy. You bitch. Just so y' all know, Andy literally does this when he goes. When he eats.

[B]

He does. Literally.

[A]

Like Homer Simpson. Like Homer Simpson.

[B]

Okay, wait. Back to Tyra. So when they teased this last week or two weeks ago, when the trailer came out, everybody was like, oh, my God, we gotta watch this. And social media is ablaze of this documentary. TikTok Reels, threads. Everyone's talking about this documentary. And it's basically Tyra. It's Tyra, Ms. J, Mr. Jennifer, Nigel Barker, and.

[A]

And a couple of contestants.

[B]

And a couple. And a couple of contestants and.

[A]

And executives and.

[B]

Well, one executive, Ken Moss, two Executives. There was two.

[A]

The lady who was the head of upn. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[B]

The lady head of UPN nine.

[A]

I mean, she does get up and leave in the middle of season episode two, because she gets. She. She got fired.

[B]

Yeah, so. So, yeah. And it was. So they're basically talking about the origins of Top Model and basically seasons 1 through 18. Cause they didn't have any of the contestants from the. From the new school or they didn't have, like, Kelly Cattrone. They didn't have Janice. I would have loved to hear what Janice Dickinson had to say about her fucking behavior.

[A]

I would love to see Eva. I would also Eva, who's very outspoken. I would love to see what Winnie Harlow had to say.

[B]

Oh, is she outspoken about Tom Ottle?

[A]

Yeah, she's like. She's like, Tyra Banks didn't do nothing for me. Winnie Harlow has famously been like, anything I have in modeling is because of me. It has nothing to do with Top Model. It has nothing to do with Tyra Banks. But she was a contestant on Top Model, though.

[B]

She was a contestant. I mean, to a point. Dani. Dani, who was the winner of Cycle five, I think she goes on a whole thing about, like, afterward, like, she was in a. She was in a model house with Chanel Iman, who grew up to.

[D]

Who.

[B]

Who blew up to be a top fashion model and literally, literally jumped episode three.

[A]

Can we go back to episode one before you jump to episode three?

[B]

Okay, sure.

[A]

So the top of the interview, first of all, it starts with Tyra Banks, which I think is not necessarily a great. Like, I think the documentary. If I don't know if Tyra Banks is. Can you see?

[B]

She's not.

[D]

She.

[B]

She's not. Tyra was not a producer on this. She was an.

[A]

She wasn't a producer.

[B]

No, she was just a subject.

[A]

She must have got final approval or something because it's. It's not giving. It's not giving. In my opinion. It's not giving. Super critical.

[B]

Super critical on tyranny. I mean, from other aspects, not her.

[C]

So allegedly, yeah, she. Allegedly. She had nothing to the producer and she saw this edit when we all saw at the same time. But there is still speculation that maybe part of the deal was that they painted her in a favorable light. I don't know. But allegedly she had nothing to do with the production and just watched it with us.

[A]

I was. There are moments where I am. I can admit this. I am just so enamored with Tyra Banks. The prestige around her, her physical beauty, her, like, sometimes she's just so stunning. In some of those shots, I was like, God, like, this woman. Like, geez, Louise. Like, I mean, some of y' all know, like, Tyra Banks is my favorite supermodel. I acknowledge that she's messy and problematic, but, like, I just look at her. I'm just like, God, this to me, this is a fucking supermodel. Like, Tyra Banks is that girl when it comes to supermodeling for me.

[B]

Yeah. And I also. So they talk about how the show started, and they went to all these networks. All the networks said no, and they finally got a yes from UPN9, which is a subsidy of Viacom, now Paramount, so of cbs. So UPN Girl.

[A]

I think it's called UPN nine. In New York, it's called UPN Girl. That's crazy.

[B]

Upn. And they got the girl for upn.

[A]

What?

[D]

I.

[B]

Okay, let me tell you the things I liked. I liked that Tyra was vocal about, like. Like, you know, they wanted to cast more popular names, but she was like, no, these are the two you need to cast as my. As coaches. J. Emanuel, no one knew who he was. He was Tyra's makeup artist, and she was like, he will be perfect in the role of challenge producer. Blah, blah, blah, blah. And Jay Alexander, no one knew who he was. She was like, but I'm telling you, he knows how to make girls walk, and his personality is going to be what you need for the show. So advocating for those two people, I think was brilliant.

[A]

Oh, and also, this needs to be said. Spoiler alert, y'.

[D]

All.

[A]

If you've not seen Reality check, clock out. Go watch. It's only three hours. Then come back. This is your spoiler alert. I had a massive crush on Mr. J growing up as a kid. I was obsessed with him. I was obsessed. He's so beautiful with him. Geez Louise. I was obsessed with this man, and

[B]

he's a picture of racial ambiguity. I still don't know. He said his parents are South African American. I don't know. I don't know if there were Asian people living in South Africa.

[A]

I think he's colored in white.

[B]

He's colored in white.

[A]

Colored like Tyla colored.

[B]

Oh, in white.

[A]

Which colored people are already part white, I believe. I think.

[B]

Girl, I have no idea about the South African of it all. Let's call Orville Peck and ask him what J. Emanuel is.

[A]

He is South African, ain't he?

[B]

Sure is.

[A]

But yeah. So I think J. Emanuel is colored in white, but if he said it

[B]

was Asian, you'd be like, yeah, that makes sense too, right?

[A]

Oh, he looks like Jeremy Carey. Whatever he says, I'll believe it.

[C]

Oh, his mom was Italian and Czech, and then his dad was from South Africa.

[B]

But what does that mean for South Africa? You could be white from South Africa.

[A]

You could be probably black or color from South Africa.

[B]

Got it.

[A]

Okay. Yeah. I mean, yeah, if. If Jeremy Carey told me that he was any race, I'd be like, for sure. Literally 100%.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

The only thing I wouldn't believe, he was like, I am 100%, you know, Ugandan. I'd be. I'd be like, you're not like, that's. That's not true. But if he was like any two. If he chose any two races and mixed them up, like, sure, yeah, I

[B]

would agree with that.

[A]

Why not? And also, constantly dyeing his hair was, you know, silver and white. Didn't help figure things out. A lot of times we would use the color of someone's hair to determine

[B]

their race for sure.

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[A]

So then they talk about how they got all these no's from everywhere. Like, everyone's saying, no this, no this, no this, no that. Everyone knows. So UPN said yes. And then they made their first season. Apparently they found their first season in a hotel.

[B]

In a hotel?

[A]

The whole season in a hotel, they

[B]

just rent out different rooms. One room was a big suite that the nine girls stayed in one room. I'm guessing a suite was where they filmed the judges deliberations and critiques, which is crazy. I'm like, the hotel, they have the ballrooms.

[C]

Y' all could.

[B]

Y' all could borrow to film.

[A]

They probably film something in a ballroom. But the jump from season one to season two budget is insane. They are now renting out literal Runway. Jet. Like runways with jets, not runways. Runways where a plane goes. That kind of Runway.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

To actually do runways on the show

[B]

because they had a proof of concept

[A]

and Then they started talking about how they. Then it became like this constant one upping yourself, constantly trying to one up yourself. One up yourself, one up yourself. And then it culminates at the end of episode one with season one. What's her name?

[C]

Jacob.

[A]

Episode one of this documentary.

[B]

Oh, God. Episode one. Yeah.

[A]

With the girl Shandy. Shandy. The Walgreens girl, who they were strongly insinuating that she was sexually assaulted without saying the words. Sexual assault.

[B]

Yeah. And then Kendrick.

[A]

And then the show framed it as. The show framed it that she was cheating on her boyfriend Eric, as opposed to engaging with the fact that she was more than likely sexually assaulted, which was both.

[B]

She was sexually assaulted by this guy, and she cheated on her boyfriend. And she, like, the episode one ends with her, like. And I watch this in real time. Me and Kamiki watched Top Model in real time. I remember this episode. It was so visceral. Again, back then, I did. I had no idea what it all meant. I was just like, oh, my God, not her cheating on her boyfriend.

[A]

You know what I mean?

[B]

And now, as an adult, watching it back and like, no, she was sexually assaulted. Cause she had drank too much wine. They brought these guys back to the hotel, and she was like, yeah, we were in a hot tub. She had two bottles of wine to her. And y', all, these ladies are thin. These are thin, tiny ladies. So two bottles, bitch. A bottle of wine will take my big ass out. Two.

[A]

That's not true. Go ahead.

[B]

Two bottles of wine.

[A]

I'll send you down a whole bottle of Tito's and do a cartwheel.

[B]

That's not true. Um, and then. So I could imagine that she was probably really, really, really inebriated. And the crazy part was because it was real, like. Cause Ken Mock, who is the executive producer with Tyra, their idea for this was Real World meets American Idol. That was their framework. So they were like. The girls would be filmed 24 7. So there is footage out there that exists of the cameras recording Shandy being sexually assaulted.

[A]

But the thing is, the TV show Top Model framed it as her cheating. The documentary framed it with a strong insinuation that she was assaulted.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

But at the time on the show, there was no conversation about.

[B]

No. Oh, well, the next. The next episode. Cause, you know, producers told Tyra about it. Like, the next episode is in, like, of the season. That season. And she does, like, the next day, they do a thing about, like, cheating on her.

[A]

Cheating?

[B]

Yeah. Cheating on your boyfriend. And then so Tyra, like, telling the story about how she was in Milan, a model, whatever, dating this guy. He cheated on her and Shanda. The camera is on Shandy. Shanda's like. And then Tyra goes, what's wrong?

[A]

And she goes. And she goes, did you cheat? Did you cheat? Which is so crazy. And so did Shandy end up leaving the competition? The documentary didn't make. Did she leave?

[B]

No, Shandy didn't leave. She was. She made it to like top three or top.

[A]

I don't remember.

[B]

It could season two came down to Mercedes and Yolanda. I think Shandy was like top three or top four. But I, I will say this honestly, Tom model does show how you can pick someone off, can pick someone out of obscurity and they are. Can become this high. Cuz y' all the pictures, I forgot the pictures of Shandy in, in Milan when she's doing, when they're doing the sunglass photo shoot. Shandy looks like a fucking super. She looks like a supermodel. Like the way she's posing like the broken doll thing and having her body so slinky. Shandy is, was stunning in that shoot. Just some random girl from, from. From. From some town from Walgreens.

[A]

But then they sent her back to Walgreens. They showed later in the season they were like, are you the girl from. Aren't you the girl from Top Model? And she was at Walgreens being like, yep. So do you have a coupon or what? Do you have a membership rewards card? Like, yeah, they can pluck you out of obscurity, but they can also send you right back to obscurity. So then in episode two, they talk about how they're. How like the show is like heightening now. Now it's like it's like constantly one upping. They have the girls getting hit with pendulums that are swinging. They have the girls.

[B]

Everyone is talking about it. It's on the View, it's on Kelly and rip her. Everyone is like, oh my God, look at this CR. What these crazy girls are doing.

[A]

The Girls are wearing 10 inch heels. And to the point where Nigel Barker and Jay Manuel are like, this is not what modeling really is. Like models. There are times where models do some things like this, but this is not. But Tyra would often frame it as like this is standard in the industry. Not like this may happen once in a while. Tyra frame it like. And this is what it means to be a model. Now we walk on a platform. Now we do this, now we do that, you know?

[B]

Yeah. I also think though I. So my thought about that Is, yes, obviously, like, those things will typically happen in the real world, but I also. We are engaging in make believe, right? They didn't make television. So there is a bit of hyperbole with, like, what models do because you're making good tv. Like, just having girls walk down regular runways, like you said. Like, yeah, sure, that works for, like, a season or two, but you have to up it. So, like, yes, models are not walking on water when they were in the big bubbles, walking on a Runway in water. But I do understand we're making TV and you're hyping things up a little bit.

[A]

Well, now we go from the point where the makeovers go from just, like, dying your hair and, like, cutting Ebony's little, little tuft of hair, which.

[B]

Oh, yeah, Ebony was season one, y'.

[C]

All.

[A]

She had, like.

[B]

She had a low season like this, but with, like, a little. And they are in New York City, Tyra's ass. And the producers, they couldn't get go to a barber down the street and be like, hey, can we get someone to do? Or do you think they just. They wanted the drama?

[A]

I don't think they wanted the drama. I think they probably wanted the makeup to look good. But I think that Tyra doesn't do her hair like that. So, I mean, who wants that? But Tyra doesn't get. Tyra doesn't get her haircut like that. Tyra gets her hair weaves. So Tyra. I mean, why would Tyra know where to get a haircut like that when she's never had a haircut like that?

[B]

Okay, Bob, I don't have long hair. I know if there's a black girl who want box braids or locs, whatever, I'm like, oh, I should get someone who specializes in that. I know that. Just not anyone can do it.

[A]

Well, you say that now in the lens of 2025, but I think that Tyra's probably thinking to herself, I think I've seen times where a guy will have his daughter and then he does not, even though he may have the same texture hair as his daughter. He's like, I have never had my hair done like this. I do not know where to go. I do think that it was inappropriate. They did not have anyone there, But I don't think they were doing it for their drama, because it wasn't. Because it didn't seem to be a big drama point on the show. It seemed to be a big drama point for the documentary show. It wasn't a big drama point.

[B]

You know what I Mean, yeah, yeah.

[A]

But. But now we go to the point where we're just doing, like, little haircuts. They are now fully doing reconstructive dental surgery on Dani and the girl with.

[B]

And the girl who. Joanie.

[A]

Joanie. Where they. They, like, are pulling her teeth.

[C]

Four.

[B]

They pull out four of her teeth. So Joanie had a snaggle tooth.

[A]

I remember.

[B]

I remember snaggle. Old snaggletooth Joanie. Joanie had this snaggle tooth. And then. So, like. And it was, you know, it was a little unsightly when they were doing, like. They mentioned it when she was doing her. The audition and stuff like that. And then, like, Bob is saying, like, they. They was like, okay, well, we're gonna fix your teeth. Dani had a gap, a little gap in her teeth here. And Joni had to sign her tooth. So they sent all the other girls to the salon. They're like, ladies spa day. Danny and Joanie, come with us.

[A]

You're gonna go to a dental surgeon.

[B]

A dental surgeon. And they have Joanie fucked up. Joanie is like. And I think she said, until today, she still has, like. They didn't, like, rectify her situation.

[A]

She has bite issues.

[B]

Bite issues. Yeah. Yeah. And then Danny. Danny was in the dental chair and he was like, well, we're gonna close your gap. She was like, no, you're not. He is like, well, that's what they're saying to do. She's like, no, I like my gap. I don't wanna close my gap.

[A]

But then she goes back to Tyra, and Tyra is like, if you don't close your gap, we're sending you home.

[B]

Basically, she looks like. She's like. You know, when you do those pictures, they just see you like this. Do you wanna be seen like this on your go? Sees? And Danny was like, I mean, yeah, but you're saying if I don't get it done, she's like, I'm tyrann to say, you will be kicked off if you don't close the gap. She was like, you are like, now, if I give you this picture, you're close the gap, right? Basically saying, like, you need to get this done or else you're going home.

[A]

So Danny goes back, gets her gap closed. A few seasons later, they give a girl a gap.

[B]

That's crazy.

[A]

I'm fighting now. I'm fighting now.

[B]

Yeah. And then in all of this, Tyra's like, you know, like, she's like, I was just. I was like a host of the show. She was like, some of These things were decisions that producers were making.

[A]

No, I feel like. No, I feel like what Tyra was saying was like, the demand was coming from the audience, so therefore she was engaging in it with more. She wasn't saying, like, I had nothing to do with it.

[B]

She was like, that was a thing. It was one of the things that

[A]

was the firing of the three guys. She said that decision.

[B]

No, earlier. She was talking about. She was talking about. Like, they asked her about. Oh, no, they asked her about Shandy when they ask her about. So were you aware of the Shani situation? And she was like, shani? Yeah, she's like. She's like, yeah, I know bits and pieces of it. But, you know, I was basically like, I wasn't there. Like, I didn't.

[A]

I don't remember the words, but with the challenges. She didn't say that. She was not part of the challenges. Getting crazy. She didn't say she was.

[B]

No, no, no. I was talking about the challenge. But all that saying, like, you were an ep. Like, if you're an EP of a show, you. It is in your. You're the executive producer. Like. Yeah, you don't know the. Probably the minute details of everything. You have a pretty good understanding of what's going on if you're the executive producer of a show.

[A]

Well, I can't say I've never been an executive producer of a show that large before, so I don't know what they're hiding from Tyra. I don't know what's going on, so I can't be like, you definitely know. I do not know that. But what I can say is that as an ep, you probably have access to this information if you ask for it, but if you don't know what to ask for, how would you know? You know what I mean?

[B]

Yeah. What'd you think of? I feel like they did take some. Some responsibility. Ownership over the things they were part of. But sometimes I did feel a little bit that like, J. Manuel was scapegoating Tyra a little bit. I was like. Like saying, like, you know, like, I was doing this and I couldn't believe. And I'm like, you couldn't believe what you were doing? So, like, you, like, you have to take some ownership in this as well. Right.

[A]

I will say it did seem to me like Tyra was the only person taking responsibility for anything. And Ms. J and J. Manuel and Nigel Barker were all like, goddamn UPN and Tower Banks is crazy.

[C]

Right?

[B]

Yeah, that's what I was saying.

[A]

But there are clips of Ms. J. Not just Janice Dickinson, but Ms. J being like, you're a little fat. And clips of. You know, clips of. I mean, that did happen. Like, it wasn't just Tyra Banks and Janice Dickinson.

[B]

Yeah. So I'm like. And yeah, yeah. Jay Manuel, you were doing your job. And again, this is a wild. This is a big jump. But, yeah, ICE is doing their job, too. You know what I mean? Like, yeah, you're doing your job, but you're still, like, you're doing the behavior, is what I'm saying. Like, you're there helping the girl paint herself, making the Korean girl black, making the white girl East Indian. Like, you're part of it. Like, yeah, you're just doing your job as the challenge producer. But it is problematic, albeit, like, you're just doing your job.

[A]

You know, I'm not going to compare it to ice.

[B]

It's not. I'm not comparing it to ice. I'm just saying, like, a lot. A lot of people have. Have.

[A]

Have.

[B]

Have done their job, and their job was problematic.

[A]

Yeah. I will say to that point, there is not a lot of J. Emanuel or Ms. J or Nigel Barker taking ownership for their parts. And, like, having an.

[C]

A.

[A]

A model who probably has a. Who if there's eating disorders on the set. And you, like, all the girls were documenting. Like, a lot of the girls here have eating disorders. And then you have an actor covered in fake vomit. I mean, an actor, a model covered in fake vomit doing a bulimia shoot. Or you have a girl whose mom was shot and paralyzed, and then you now have her do a photo shoot where she's been shot and she's dead. Or where you have a girl who's, like, not fat by any stretch of the. Not even pudgy, not even thick with one C. Like, literally just a. What I would see is a skinny woman, Kenya, telling her she's fat, then giving her the gluttony photo shoot, then telling her that she's an elephant, and then making fun of her belly.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

That, by the way, doesn't exist. And then Nigel being like, we had to do a lot of foot order. Like, do you know how expensive retouching is?

[B]

Well, that was for the armpits. The armpit hair. But with Kenya, he did say to her, when they were modeling lotion, it was Naima season. The season Naima won, and they were modeling lotion. Each girl. It was five of them. Each girl was an animal. They had. Nyima was like a cheetah. They had that other girl as an ostrich they had this one as, like, a gazelle. And they made Kenya, who throughout the season where they were having this storyline of her, like, eating a little more and not being exercised. And then they come out saying, you know, Kenya, you're gonna play the elephant.

[A]

And then they had her eat. They. They edited her eating one bagel to make it look like she ate three different bagels, which was gaggy.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Editing one bagel to look like you're eating three bagels is crazy. To build the storyline that you're this big fat whale bitch. But then. But then they would say stuff like, like, Jacob, I'll ask you.

[C]

You are.

[A]

You came from the world of fashion journalism. I mean, fashion photography. And you work with Mike Ruiz. How expensive is it to edit out on a large scale to edit out some armpit hair? Realistically,

[C]

that's. That's like, a hard thing to call. Like, retouching is expensive, but, like, typically retouching, like, retouching can be really expensive, but you don't pay by, like, armpit hair. Like, you pay for, like, a set thing of photos. You do your thing. So, like, retouching can be expensive. It can be anywhere from, like, five to, like, $13,000 for, like, the really crazy stuff. Like, there's one photo shoot where, like, it's Lady Gaga for Versace, and they release the pre photos way later. And Lady Gaga is not wearing any makeup in the photos. Like, her entire face is put on in Photoshop afterwards. So, like, it can be very expensive if you're doing that. I don't think armpit hair is, like, that expensive. But, like, if you're retouching everything, you're not going to, like, the armpit hair is not going to be the make or break amount of money. Yeah, because.

[A]

Because Nigel made it sound like to retouch this armpit would be like. He was like, do you know how expensive retouching is? But on this photo shoot of that scale, all the photos are retouched, right?

[B]

Yeah, but also.

[A]

But they're not releasing raw photos.

[C]

As for Top Model, the retouchers are. Have been hired in bulk to retouch all the Top Model photos together. Like, they're paying.

[A]

I don't get the conversation. Like, do you know how expensive retouching is?

[B]

I think the con. But I think the conversation goes to. I think. I think the. I mean, I don't know for sure. I think the cost of retouching goes with the profile of the designer. I would reckon that David LaChapelle or Annie Leibowitz Their retouching is probably more expensive than, you know, someone that we Photoshop with. Like, someone up the street that we. That we shoot with.

[A]

I'm just. I'm just. I'm just saying, like, he made it seem like retouching our armpits would have caught. Would have. Would have put them into bankruptcy. And I'm being a little hyperbolic, but he's. But he made it sound like we can't afford to retouch our fucking armpits. But the whole photo. But meanwhile, the whole photo is retouched.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And then.

[B]

And then. Then they tried to drop something in episode three, which I'm like, guys, this doesn't hold water. When they were like, you know, later on in the seasons, they. If a girl had, like, a storyline or, like, a. Or was getting eliminated, they would show a bad picture. I'm like, yeah, it's television. Like, it's tv. Like, if the story of this girl is being eliminated, they're not gonna show her best moments. For example, if someone's getting eliminated on Drag Race, they're not gonna show you their best moments. They're gonna show you the things that led to them being eliminated.

[A]

How did you feel about the lady in the tie? What was her name, the lady in the tie?

[B]

Kenya. That was Kenya.

[A]

Yeah. About her being like. Tyra Banks basically said that she didn't.

[C]

Like.

[A]

Tyra Banks admitted that she didn't help her after the show.

[B]

Girl, you. You. You. You asked the question. You already know my stance. I'm like, you. You're not owed this mentorship from Tyra Banks. And it's the same thing I feel about girls that be like, well, RuPaul didn't. I mean, you're not. You're not owed a mentorship from RuPaul. When you signed the contract to go on RuPaul, Drag Race, or Top Model, you didn't sign a contract saying, I'm going to be Tyra's protege or RuPaul's protege. I'm going to get his number, and I can call him and ask him for advice. You. You. You're guaranteed a chance to come on television and market yourself and become a thing. After that. Like, you're not owed a mentorship from the host. I don't think so.

[A]

Well, I mean, it really hurt.

[B]

Kenya is her name Kenya. Like, Kenya, but Kenya got it.

[A]

Obviously, it really hurt Kenya. Cause she. Cause Tyra banks told her 15 years after the fact that she was like, I didn't do anything to help you. And that really, really hurt. Kenya.

[B]

Kenya. What's up, Danny?

[A]

I can see the comments like, y'. All, didn't. Y'.

[B]

All.

[A]

We didn't know we were. We didn't know we were going to redo this. We didn't know. But the point is, one of the girls was like, Tyra Banks basically said, I didn't do anything to help her.

[B]

That was Danny. That was Danny. Dani said that?

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And it really hurt. Yeah, it was Dani. Yeah. I think she had closer gap. But then I do look at people like Harley Winnow, Winnie Harlow, I mean, and the plus size lady who went on to do all that stuff. Who went on to do. She went on to be like this major model. Um, and I think Eva also had a pretty great career for a hot sack. I met Eva at the black and iconic soireway for bt.

[B]

Oh, fairest. How was she in person? Gorgeous, I'm sure.

[A]

Really sweet, kind of nutty.

[C]

Really?

[B]

How. Why is. How sweaty?

[A]

Like, really, like, kooky, energetic, fun. Like, like she wasn't. She wasn't like. She was like, goofing off and really silly.

[B]

And that's the thing about Portia Williams, you know, Now I am a Portia Williams, Stan. I'm obsessed with Portia Williams.

[C]

Did you see

[A]

Lisa Rinna calling Portia stupid on her Instagram, like, recently?

[B]

Yeah, like, how recent?

[A]

I just saw it last night.

[B]

Like, she said the word she's stupid. Like, what was the context?

[A]

Let me find the exact quote, Jacob, if you can find it. It's Lisa Rinna in her car and she's basically like. She's basically like, I didn't know that Portia was stupid. Is that crazy?

[C]

She said Portia's dumb? Yeah.

[A]

Oh, did you say dumb? Is that what she said?

[C]

No.

[B]

I'll fight. I'll fight for Portia. Don't get me. Don't give me. Don't be upset.

[A]

She's like, I didn't know. I didn't know that she was stupid or dumb or whatever she said. And I was kind of like, that seems kind of crazy to say about somebody. Like, whoops, I don't know. I thought it was kind of strange. I think it's on. It's on TikTok.

[D]

No, I just thought she was an OG of the Housewives. She's Portia. I didn't know that she was dumb. That's what everyone's saying. Oh, you should know that. Portia's just dumb. Well, I'm sorry. That doesn't work for me. This person wants my parking Spot. Anyway.

[C]

Okay. But there's a clip from Housewives where they're talking about the Underground Railroad, and Portia is like, I just don't know how they get a train down there. And then the girls are like, that's not what the Underground Railroad was.

[A]

So I think so is part of Portia's, like, public Persona that she's kind of, like, dumb.

[B]

Not dumb, but, like, you know. You know, she did think the Underground Railroad was like a train station. Like the slave.

[A]

A little Derrick Barry, a little. A little more black.

[B]

Yeah. Yeah. But I'm obsessed with Portia. She's. She's queer now. When I think. I'm obsessed with. I think because of Marcia. When I find. When I. Huh?

[A]

Are you outing this woman?

[B]

No, she. This is public information. When, like, when I. Straight women who leave dick alone and become lesbians, I think I am. I love this trajectory for them and the way that they describe being with women. It's like, what the fuck was wrong with me? Why did I not do this so long ago? I'm like, good for you.

[A]

Do you think the reason you're connecting that. Cause it's time for you to leave dick alone?

[B]

Honestly, I say this all the time. I hate the fact that I like dick. I hate the fact that I like dick. I hate it.

[A]

Well, take a. Take a look how happy Portia is.

[B]

But dick is so good.

[A]

Look how happy Portia is. She's so happy.

[B]

You know? What's that monologue you used to do? Like. Because it's coming up. They shooting up beside me, and it's all up in my brain.

[A]

I got to call him Alexis Tyler or Alexis Taylor.

[B]

Yeah, I got the dick on my brain, girl.

[A]

So back to reality check. So toward the end, we find out that apparently there's a term they're using which is a phrase. No sacred cows.

[B]

Oh, yeah.

[A]

This keep coming up, meaning nothing here is sacred. Everything can go, including tire banks. And eventually, all four of the people, Tyra banks, J. Manuel, M.J. and Nigel Barker have all been outed at some point. First the go are the first three together. JJ and Nigel and.

[B]

And Tyra and Ken have to let them know. Do you think that. Do you think that. Do you think that Tyra. Okay, so. But the conspiracy is Tyra was like. They told me that I had to change this. I didn't want to. Do you think that Because. Okay, sorry. Before that, like, season 10, J. Emanuel wanted to lead the show. He wanted to leave the show. He was like, I had my time. I didn't like, the things that were going on. And I was like, he did another nine seasons. That's what I'm. So that was season 10. And then he was like, aight, whatever. And then he sent Tyra an email outlining this whole thing, which he said, see, this is where I'm like, mm. Cause they were, like, such good friends. Tyra and Jay were good friends. Sleeping in hotel room beds together, coming up with concepts together. Like, they were besties. Like, they were doing two seasons of a show together a year. So they were like besties, and they were like girlfriends on the phone, late night, early morning, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And then so. So y' all are such good friends. You wanted to leave the show. So you draft an email and you sent it to Tyra Banks, like.

[C]

Like that.

[B]

That's the problem. Like, that doesn't make sense. Let's say Bob and I. Bob and I, we have a big falling out, and I. And I don't want to do the podcast anymore. I'm gonna send Bob an email.

[A]

That'll make sense. I would call. And then it took three days. And all he got back from Tyra Banks was, I am disappointed. 3 days. She wrote one word a day. I took a break. Am took a break. Disappointed. Sin.

[B]

Like, what do you think about that?

[A]

Well, maybe they're just not as close as. He was insane with him. They were. You know what I mean? Like, I feel like if I had this big thing, and then, like, now I don't see you until we go. Until we're back on set. And according to him, he didn't see Tyra Bank Terror back on set. And she looked over at him, and he hadn't. That was, like, the first time he. That was the only time he spoke to her since she sent the email that said, I am disappointed.

[B]

Yeah. And they were like. They were on a boat doing a casting thing. It's the first time he's seen her. They're on the thing. And he said. He, like, tried to say hi to her, and she was very cold. She didn't say anything back. And as soon as the camera's on,

[A]

she's like, hey, girl. Which, again, what do you think, Jay?

[B]

Which honestly work. But then you do that, and then you waited. Then you did eight more seasons. I don't know. That doesn't make sense to me.

[A]

Well, they were all fired at the same time, but they were gonna do, like, a mutual. Like, hey, we parted ways before they could do that. Someone leaked it to Page Six, and then Page Six Was like, honey, they got the can. They're cooked honey. And then I do believe that that was the. Truly the beginning of the downfall of America's Next Top Model. Because after that, it became. It was UK Invasion, which, honestly, the

[B]

UK invading season was fierce. That was with Asleen. I love that season.

[A]

Then Top Model of the Moon, and then let the guys compete. And then they were doing models in space.

[B]

And that's why we got Corey. Do you remember Corey? He's so beautiful. Corey Wade. Ugh. He should have won that season.

[A]

I gotta be honest with you. I have not watched Top Model probably since Cycle three.

[B]

What?

[A]

Oh, girl.

[B]

I watched every season Top Model. I was obsessed with Top Model. And like, okay, here's okay. Can I give you a hot take?

[A]

I would more into your project. One way to be honest.

[B]

Can I give you a hot take?

[A]

Let's get that. Let's get that reality check, honey project.

[B]

I would love to see that too. Wait, can I give my hot take?

[A]

Yeah, of course, y'.

[B]

All. I know this is problematic. I know, I know.

[A]

And we're not shocked. Continue.

[B]

But the switching racist thing, yes, it involved blackface, but it did look really cool. It looked really cool.

[A]

Monet. This is another clip that's gonna fucking follow us for the rest of my fucking life. Oh, my God.

[B]

I'm just saying, like, I remember, like, watching it as a little. As a little kid watching it, I was like, oh, my God, that's really cool. Now as an adult, I'm like, oh, this is crazy. But, like, we all. When we were all 12, 11, 9 years old watching this, we're like, whoa, that's really cool.

[A]

Let me tell you right now. There's a clip online of Willem bashing RuPaul. And then Alaska just goes, that's me right now.

[B]

When you watch it, I can't wait

[A]

to see the think pieces on Bob and Monet. Love, love blackface.

[B]

When you. I mean, girl, they already do that because of you and your. And your. And your Magnus Hayes things.

[A]

I still stand by that.

[B]

That was a Chris photo shoot.

[A]

I'm still standing by that.

[B]

But I'm saying when we were like, did you watch that in real time? Like, I watch it in real. Oh, really? Yeah, No, I watched it in real time. But, yeah, I saw it when it went viral.

[A]

Like, I saw, like, clips of it on YouTube and stuff the time. Then definitely down the line, I was like, oh, my God, this is. But then the series kind of ended on something that's kind of crazy. Is that Ms. J had a stroke. And now the diva who teaches the girls to walk. To this day, she still can't. Or at least at the time of filming, she could not walk. She has lost the ability to walk. She lost the ability to speak for. And leading up, I kept thinking to myself, wow, Ms. J sounds different. I kept thinking to myself, she sounds so different now. And then at the end of episode three, they reveal that she had a stroke and she was in the hospital for a year and a half.

[B]

And Tyra did not come say anything.

[A]

But Ms. J honestly gave her a lot of grace. She was like, not yet. And she was, like, still smiling, which was part of that kind of made me feel Sad to see Ms. J be like, that's Tyra going to visit you? And then she's like, well, not yet. But then it was interesting because they were able to get all three of them together, but they didn't get Tyra with them because I don't think Tyra texted. Apparently Tyra text Ms. J a few days ago, apparently from the time of that filming.

[B]

But I. But, you know, J. Emanuel wrote a book about her. I mean, it's not about her, but should we do.

[A]

Oh, my God, y'.

[C]

All.

[A]

Should I bring back Bob's Book Club BBC and read J. Emanuel's book on Tyra Banks?

[B]

I'd read it. We can do that one together. I'll be interested in that.

[A]

Read. What's it called again, Jacob?

[B]

The Bitch, The Runway and something

[A]

high fashion. She was looking it up.

[B]

Yeah, I think the bitch, the model,

[C]

the wig, the bitch, and the meltdown.

[A]

The wig, the wig, the bitch, and the meltdown. Let me see how long this book is on Spotify. So is Tyra the bitch?

[B]

I think she's all of them, girl. Maybe. Is she the. She's all three.

[A]

She's the wig, the bitch, and she's the meltdown. It is not. It is. 10 hours of listening on Spotify. I could do that. I could do that in about eight gym sessions.

[B]

Yeah, I'll be down to read it.

[A]

Oh, my God. Listen, book club, if y' all want me. Okay, I'm officially announcing it. The next book for Bob's Book Club is.

[B]

This one is Bob and Monet. This is bomo's Book Club.

[A]

No, no, this is bomo's Book Club. You're a special guest.

[B]

And every time you. Every time you post, I will be correcting the title on the Patreon.

[A]

You are literally Donald Trump. You're trying to call it the Gulf of America the way you're so Trumpian is crazy. You're literally Gulf of Americaing. My book club that you have never been part of, never attended. Do you even know any of the books that we've read?

[B]

Yes. Y' all read Harriet's. You bullied our preachers into buying Harriet.

[A]

They voted and they chose Harriet's up in the lobby concert.

[B]

And I want to see. I want to see the. I want to, you know, I'm going to be like, I want to see the voting records of that election.

[A]

And they're available. And do you know our first book that we read?

[B]

The coldest ones ever.

[A]

Afro Pessimism.

[B]

Afro Pessimism.

[A]

Anyway, so we're gonna read the Wig, the Bitch and the Meltdown. We'll probably start this book club in March, so you all have time to join the Patreon in March.

[B]

March. This is just the start.

[A]

That being said, thank you all for listening to us.

[B]

Wait, there was something else I wanted to say.

[A]

What?

[B]

I mean, the sentiment online, people are always. What do you think about it? Do you think that Tyra apologizing? I think she should apologize more. It's not for me.

[A]

She didn't wrong me.

[B]

Okay, well, as someone watching the show, like, what do you think?

[A]

I think I would like to see the people she wrong, the people who she wronged. Ms. J seems to forgive her. J. Emanuel seems to not. Nigel seems to forgive her, and a lot of the models seem to not forgive her. So I would say in some cases she did, in some cases she did not. I don't think she did. I think there's a reason why Tiffany was not in the. In the documentary.

[B]

Oh, well, what reason? Oh, yeah. Oh, that was another thing. Y' all know the iconic.

[A]

I've never lied.

[B]

If you had a girl like this, apparently that was the edited one because there was one that she said some crazy shit that is on film somewhere. But I bet you now kind of like the swish, swish lip sync. I want to see the unedited footage. I want to see the whole rant.

[A]

Well, Tyra admitted that she went too far.

[B]

And what she could have said that was so crazy.

[A]

Tiffany Richardson, we are all rooting for you. Okay? Tiffany said, hold up, Tyra bank, let's keep it cute. You are one lying ass. I think, tired ass bitch. You know how you treated me the whole time off and on camera? You was a bully. You treated me like shit and said the nastiest things about me and my son. This is not how the argument went. But y' all edited it to make it look like you cared. Also fuck the Shade room, Fuck you weird ass fans and fuck you, Tyra Banks. I bet you won't sit down I bet you won't sit down with me face to face and talk about it. Also fuck my family too. Also fuck my family too. Y' all don't ever defend me. I got more money in helping more people than all of all or many of the top models. But that's the update y' all give. Damn shame it's giving. Y' all still hating on lil black ass Me, Tyra Banks, ho. Just let it go. It's been over 20 years. Fuck.

[B]

Oh wow.

[A]

Tiffany the goat. So Tiffany does not accept Tyra Banks apology.

[B]

I saw Yaya Dacosta on threads. I saw someone posted her thing on threads and she was basically saying like she forgives Tyra. Yahya was the runner up of season three with Eva Pickford and she was saying like she saw Tyra at an event recently and she was basically saying that Tyra doesn't owe you guys this apology y' all are seeking. And Yaya was like, if anyone like I should be up both of said. But she's like, I've forgiven her and blah, blah, blah, blah.

[A]

What's her. Wait, Jacob, what's her Instagram? Tiffany the goat.

[B]

What one?

[A]

Tiffany the goat one.

[C]

Tiffany the goat one with two.

[A]

But yeah, I mean her, her, her profile just says Rich Tiffany seems like she is. Wait, I don't see me playing the victim after I get caught cheating back. Tiffany's kind of wild. Tiffany's Instagram is kind of wild.

[B]

That's what I'm saying.

[A]

It's kind of wild. But that being said, she does not accept Tyra Banks policy. So I would say on some counts, yeah, Tyra Banks did apologize enough. On some counts she just did not do what people thought was adequate. And I did find that Tyra Banks, the consummate self promoter, used this as an opportunity to be like, oh yeah, and There's a cycle 25 count. Like, Tyra Banks will not stop promoting. This woman is kind of relentless.

[B]

Are you, Are you gonna watch? Are you going to watch 5:25?

[A]

I mean, I didn't. I don't think I even watched. I haven't watched many of them, so probably not. To be honest. I will be curious to see how she corrects how she writes the wrongs of her past.

[B]

There are a few girls like they didn't have. Lisa has been an outspoken anti Tyra and didn't have her on there. They didn't have Jade. Remember Jade? Oh, no, you didn't watch that far. Jade.

[A]

No, wait, no, no. Jade was the one who they said was grumpy and mean and light skinned. She was light skinned girl.

[B]

She was black and Asian, I believe.

[A]

And they said she was like, meaning of a. That was her whole thing. She was like, she was like a bully and me and stuff.

[B]

Yeah. Because she was, because she was mean to Pironda.

[A]

Yeah. And I mean, they didn't have, they didn't have ISIS King on there.

[B]

I, I, Yeah. Oh, so that's. Sorry. As we keep on saying. Ooh, ooh, ooh.

[A]

They didn't address the transphobia. They were just. Tyra Banks was like, ice is king. But they didn't address the transphobia happening to her on set.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

That they filmed and showed. Mind you, I wonder what they didn't show.

[B]

Right.

[A]

You know what I mean? They didn't have Winnie Harlow.

[B]

I think that if they do another season, I think they would obviously need to like fix a lot of the sins from the past. I think the new season would probably bring back a lot of these girls. Like all these girls just want to interview and like, try to do some, like, something with that.

[A]

I think one of the girls was straight up like, fuck you, Tyra. In the interview. She's like, fuck you, Tyra. Or no, that's bullshit or tyranny, Danny, at the end. Yeah, yeah. I mean, obviously what cannot be denied is that a lot of people were hurt by this show.

[B]

Yeah, I agree. I agree 100%.

[A]

And not just the contestants. This even goes to the judges.

[B]

You know, that's what I wanted to see. Jani. I wanted to see Janice Dickinson up there. I wanted to see Kelly Cattrone. Kelly Cattrone was mean when she was there.

[A]

Janice Dickinson is not. Well,

[B]

I don't know. I don't know.

[A]

She's crazy.

[B]

Anything about Janice Dickinson, to be honest, she's wild.

[A]

She's on Instagram critiquing people's runaway walks now.

[B]

Oh, really?

[A]

Yeah, she's like, I don't know if she still does it. Before while she would just like see people running, walking, and she would just go online and just like critique their walks. The world's first supermodel, as she says,

[B]

like, was she really the world's first supermodel?

[A]

I wasn't there. I don't know.

[B]

Well, what I do know is that this was a great episode. Thank you guys all for listening. And look out for the Beaumont Book Club. We're starting and we're reading the wig Wild Book Club.

[A]

We'll bring the wig, the bitch and the.

[C]

Before we go, I'm hoping you can do a rendition of the American Sex Top Model theme song for our viewers.

[A]

I don't know how it goes. Okay, no, I'll do. Will you do it? I'll do mine, then you'll do yours, Monet. And then Jacob, you'll do yours. Right? Here's mine. Wanna be on. You wanna be on Bony naughty naughty Bony naughty. Her to be on top, top, top. Let's see yours, Mona.

[B]

Want to be on top. And there was season, like, nine. She, like. She did, like, the Remus kind of like. Remember when. Remember when Sister Sister changed the theme song? 1 1. One year. I do. It was like. It was like.

[A]

It used to be like, yay, Disney.

[B]

Then one day, it was like, I got my own mind, I did my own style. And my.

[A]

What happened with Sing Lang Sing Cry Sister Sister? Can we hear your version of the Top Model theme song?

[C]

Okay, It's. Wanna be on top? Want to be on top?

[A]

I think you win this week's challenge. Last thing I was saying before we go. This is a long episode. I guess we're making up for the fucking short episode where y' all flame us. If episode is 59 minutes. Y' all flame us into the earth. Um, you can see all the influences that Drag Race picked up from Top Model.

[B]

Oh, totally. Totally. One thing that I wish Drag Race did do, though. I mean, look, what Drag Race does is pretty great, but Bitch Tyra Banks, her setup of having the. I only have one picture in my hand. When I reveal the picture, the girl whose picture's not here, it must immediately go back to the blah, blah, blah, blah. That was the way that I was watching it. And I was getting, like. I was getting tense watching. I was like, oh, my God. I remember how at the end of every episode, that setup was so visceral. You were like, bitch. When she reveals that your picture's not there, you done When Tyra didn't.

[A]

I give them an opportunity to do much, and they'll talk back. Like, it's like, you must immediately go back and pack your bag.

[C]

There is the one. She's talking to the girl, and she's like, you've survived so much, and today you've survived this.

[A]

You're going, you survived so much, and I'm sure you'll survive this. Go home.

[B]

It was great. It was like, Bob, I look at you, and I think, he's funny. He's brilliant. He's stunning. But also he's not stunning and he's not brilliant, and I don't know if he can handle his competition. But you, Jacob, you're so smart and you can manage podcasts, and you do such a good job on the Patreon. But are you good to the patrons? I don't know. And so who goes home, Bob or Jacob? And today this picture is blank because you both go home.

[A]

I was like, damn.

[B]

Damn, Tyra.

[A]

Damn.

[B]

Are you gonna watch the new season? I probably will. I'm probably tuned in.

[A]

I'm tuned in.

[B]

But also what y' all need to watch is come and see me next week and Paul Springs at the Plaza Theater. Also Pittsburgh. I'm going to Palm Springs and Pittsburgh. Coming up, Palm Springs on February 28, and Pittsburgh State.

[A]

I'm gonna put you an idea. You and Naomi should do a watch reef for top model cycle 25.

[B]

Ooh, that's a good idea. I would love that. I would love that.

[A]

And I gotta find someone to do a watch with me for the new season of the Comeback.

[B]

Oh, yeah. Cause I'm not watching that shit.

[A]

That's. I'm not gonna go into this. All right, goodbye, everyone.

[C]

Bye.

[D]

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