The One About Our Favorite Music

Summary

Sibling Rivalry: "The One About Our Favorite Music"

Date: October 20, 2025
Hosts: Bob the Drag Queen and Monét X Change

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Episode Overview

This episode of Sibling Rivalry is a riotous, music-fueled romp as Bob and Monét dive into the 21st century’s best songs, dissect Rolling Stone’s top picks, and then draw up their own personal top five. Along the way, they spar over music trivia, reminisce about music video moments, analyze generational cultural shifts, and go off on signature tangents about drag terminology, pronunciation debates, and even kissing customs from around the world.

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Key Discussion Points & Highlights

1. Opening Banter & Setting the Stage ([00:29]–[02:00])

• Bob and Monét introduce the theme: their favorite music of the 21st century.
• Monét teases that their perspectives on "the best" are shaped by "different lenses" ([01:00]).
• Early chuckles about mispronunciations—Monét calls Missy Elliott’s “Gossip Folks” as “Gossip Girl”.

2. Rolling Stone’s “Top 10 Songs of the 21st Century” ([05:35]–[23:32])

Read-through and reactions:

• Both hosts are skeptical and amused by the list, often disagreeing with placements and choices.

The Countdown & Commentary:

• #10: Frank Ocean
  • Monét: “Not a huge Frank Ocean head, but I like some of his stuff.” ([08:22])
• #9: Britney Spears, "Toxic"
  • Monét: “Toxic is my favorite Britney song!” ([08:37])
  • Bob: “My favorite is ‘Womanizer.’”
  • Fun memory: referencing the iconic airplane/boob move in the "Toxic" video ([08:45]).
• #8: Radiohead, "Idioteque"
  • General unfamiliarity.
  • Bob quizzes Monét on whether she’s said “you want to apologize” as often as Bob thinks ([09:38]).
• #7: Kendrick Lamar, "Alright"
  • Bob is incredulous Monét doesn’t know "HUMBLE" ([10:05]).
  • Bob: “He’s one of the only rappers with a Pulitzer. Name another rapper with a Pulitzer.”
  • Monét: “Jay-Z?” Bob: “Lin-Manuel Miranda.” ([10:43])
• #6: Robyn, "Dancing On My Own"
  • Monét: “Great dragon... always a crowd pleaser at drag roulette!” ([12:56])
  • Discussion about term “drag suicide” vs “drag roulette” and sensitivity/triggers ([11:14]–[12:56]).
    • Bob: “There are some stuff that I choose to not be particularly sensitive to..." ([11:05])
• #5: Taylor Swift, "All Too Well"
  • Both underwhelmed; agree "Bad Blood" or "Look What You Made Me Do" should be higher ([13:13]).
  • Bob recalls his Taylor Swift “era”: between "Shake it Off" and "Look What You Made Me Do" ([14:26]).
  • Debate over how hard it is to have an indifferent opinion about Taylor Swift due to her fans ("Swifties") and critics ([15:28]).
• #4: The White Stripes, "Seven Nation Army"
  • Both admit knowing little about the band; mix up White Stripes with Whitesnake ([18:12]).
• #3: Beyoncé, "Crazy in Love"
  • Consensus: huge career moment, but Monét argues "Single Ladies" is more iconic ([21:24]).
  • Bob stans "Deja Vu": "I'm gonna go out on a limb and say Deja Vu is Beyoncé's best song." ([20:08])
• #2: Yeah Yeah Yeahs, "Maps"
  • Neither host initially remembers the song, then recognize the “They don’t love you like I love you” hook ([22:18]).
  • Tangent about facial features: Monét jokes about singer’s resemblance to Detox ([22:30]).
• #1: Missy Elliott, "Get Ur Freak On"
  • Bob launches into the opening rap—“Get your freak on! Get your... quiet. Shut your mouth. Silence.” ([23:20])
  • Both agree it’s an all-time banger.

Notable Quote:

• Bob: “Honestly, now that I'm getting into it. This song is so good. Oh, you feel me now? I feel it. Loud and proud. Oh, that's such a good song. Oh, Missy's so good.” ([23:33])

3. Personal Top 5 Songs of the 21st Century ([24:20]–[32:15])

Both create and reveal their own (immediately disputed) lists:

Monét’s Top 5:

1. SZA — "Broken Clocks"
   • “My favorite SZA song of all time.” ([30:53])
2. Beyoncé — "Sorry"
   • “Just top of mind. I’m going with ‘Sorry’ from Lemonade.” ([28:29])
3. Lady Gaga — "Paparazzi"
   • Monét: “Top three—this is tough. I’m going to put Lady Gaga—Paparazzi.” ([27:30])
4. Hoobastank — "The Reason"
5. Ciara — "Ride"
   • “The vibe of that song, top notch for me.” ([25:31])

Bob’s Top 5:

1. Mariah Carey — "We Belong Together"
   • “Easily, hands down, undisputedly the number one song of the 21st century for me.” ([31:52])
   • “Her pen is insane. Her voice is beyond this world. Mariah Carey is my all-time favorite diva. Hands down, she is that girl.” ([32:15])
2. Adele — "Set Fire to the Rain"
   • “Set Fire to the Rain is that fucking song.” ([29:19])
3. Madonna ft. Nicki Minaj — "Bitch, I’m Madonna"
   • “Not a huge Madonna song people go crazy for, but I really loved ‘Bitch I’m Madonna.’” ([27:38])
4. Jay-Z & Linkin Park — "Encore/Numb"
   • “This album is one of my top five albums of all time...” ([26:45])
5. Plain White T’s — "Hey There Delilah"
   • “The cultural impact is undeniable...” ([25:44])

Tangents:

• What does “oldies” even mean? Bob and Monét discuss how songs from the 2000s are now "oldies" ([02:58]).
• Ciara’s age and career timeline ([03:24]).
• The agony of limiting a top list to just five tracks ([43:39]).

4. Musical Influence, Drag Culture, & Current Events ([12:10]–[16:30])

• How language shifts around drag performance terminology (drag "suicide" vs "roulette").
• Brief touch on recent Taylor Swift discourse, including alleged “trad wife” politics and album drama ([15:28]).
• Plug for their Patreon "Current Eventuary" ([16:16]).

5. Musical Knowledge, Pedantry, and Word Etymology ([32:15]–[49:14])

• Discussion of secret/unreleased albums by Mariah Carey and Wu-Tang Clan.
  • “Wu-Tang have an album that won’t be released until 2103” ([35:06]).
• Bob quizzes Monét (with hilarious results) on Wu-Tang Clan members ([36:06]).
• Kissing customs in different countries—Italian “air kisses”, French triple kisses, Inuit “kunik” gestures ([44:14]–[47:26]).
• Debunking viral etymologies: “sand” isn’t literally a portmanteau of “sea and land” ([48:36]).

6. Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

On Language and Sensitivity in Drag ([11:05])

Bob: “There are some stuff that I choose to not be particularly sensitive to, and there's stuff that I choose to be sensitive to even if it doesn't affect me specifically. Maybe because of how I know it impacts people around me and infects people around me and maybe that as well.”

On Mariah Carey’s Genius ([32:27])

Bob: “Mariah Carey is putting pen to paper. I don't know who your favorite singer songwriter is, but I promise you she's not better than Mariah Carey. He's not better than Mariah Carey. They're not better than Mariah Carey.”

On the Difficulty of Music Rankings ([43:39])

Monét: “5 is just not enough time. It's not enough spots, not enough slots.”

On Generational Shifts in “Oldies” ([03:04])

Bob: “A 20 year old song is definitely easily an oldie... I remember being in the early 2000s and songs from the 80s, Run-DMC, were 'oldies.'”

On Taylor Swift Fandom ([15:50])

Bob: “You cannot be indifferent to Taylor Swift, to her haters, or to her Swifties.”

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• 00:29 – 02:00: Opening banter, misnaming songs, "oldies" music ages
• 05:35 – 23:32: Rolling Stone’s list run-down (with commentary)
• 12:10 – 16:30: Drag culture, Taylor Swift politics, Current Eventuary promo
• 24:20 – 32:15: Personal Top 5 lists, why it’s so hard to choose
• 32:15 – 35:10: Secret albums and Wu-Tang time capsule album
• 36:06 – 37:39: Wu-Tang Clan quiz (with plenty of comic misfires)
• 44:14 – 47:26: Cultural greetings, kissing styles discussed
• 48:36 – 49:14: Viral word etymologies (debunking “sand” and “fuck”)
• Entire ep: Tangents, vocalizing, and the usual Sibling Rivalry sparring

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Tone & Language

Throughout the episode, Bob and Monét are at their hilarious, teasing best. The conversation brims with inside jokes, playful corrections, unapologetic opinions, and the kind of chemistry that’s both competitive and collaborative. They jump seamlessly between music nerd-outs and personal digressions, always circling back to the joy music brings to their lives.

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Summary Takeaway

If you want to know which songs actually mean something to two of drag’s wittiest cultural critics—and what they say about fandoms, nostalgia, music’s evolving language, and pop culture milestones—this is a prime episode. You’ll leave both entertained and armed for your next music debate, but “don’t nail [them] to the cross” for their lists!

Transcript

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My name is Bob the Drag Queen

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and I'm Monet X Change.

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And this is simply rivalry. On this week's episode, Monat fucks in Dragon.

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We give our top five songs each of the 21st century.

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And we find out what made Monet say this.

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Also I think we're probably analyzing from different lenses and we find out what made bombs say this.

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There is some stuff that I choose to not be particularly sensitive to.

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Did you hear the news?

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I've heard a lot of news.

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Did you hear the news?

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I've heard a lot of news. I don't know, maybe. Which news are you? Whoa. You ever had something in your mouth like you ate? I just finished a sandwich and a Sammy and then I guess just bit into a piece of like pepper, but like it's very different than the whole and it just fits out of nowhere. I had like a chunk, a blast of like pepper in my mouth like a. Like I bit into a peppercorn and or something, I don't know. It's crazy. I was having a very taste based palette experience.

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Sensory overload.

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And it felt like out of thin air.

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Sensory overload.

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So you were saying I had the news.

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The news about music.

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Taylor Swift has broken all the records.

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No, about Missy Elliott.

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No. Just tell me the news.

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I was just seeing. You said you heard the news. Gossip Girl by Missy Elliott has been voted the number one song of the 21st century.

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Oh, work like on a wet platform.

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I don't know what platform.

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Maybe Gossip folk.

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Sorry. Gossip folks.

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Oh, I was like Gossip Girl. I was like, interesting.

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I don't know this one but I was like. Of all Visilia songs and she has a huge catalog. Gossip Folk wouldn't be my. Wouldn't be my top missing.

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It's one of my favorite. When I submit. You ain't got even speed. I'm a bad member. Jammer. Goddamn. You ain't gotta like me.

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Mine is worth it.

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Dj, please pick up your phone.

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I'm on the.

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Is it called worth it or work it?

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Is it worth it? Let me work it. I put my thing down, flip it and reverse it. Is your like okay? When Does. Oh, when do oldies start?

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Like it was 20 years ago.

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So 127 is an oldie.

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Once you step is an oldie because I remember, I remember being in there in the early 2000s and songs from the 80s run DMC was oldies. True in 2000 a hoop, a hup this time around DMC. But these were oldies. So I would say a 20 year old song is definitely easily an oldie.

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Do you know what gagged me the other day?

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What?

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How old are you? A penis? No honey, I don't do that.

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Honey, you said you gagged when you got your Invisalign, you started gagging.

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No, no, I didn't start gagging. My teeth started fixing. I got my first ouch and it really hurt me. I had to take time to really meditate and think upon it. But I've since progressed, I've gone past that. What gagged me. How old do you think Ciara is?

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Maybe like somewhere between 39 and 45.

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Okay, I was saying like 42 or 43. She's 39. She came out with 127 when she was 19. I didn't realize she was born in 85.

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Yeah, I assume she was around my

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age but she'd just been in the industry for so long. I put her in the same age as like Britney and Beyonce. Like I thought in my mind Sierra was like 43, 42.

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But she's, I mean she is kind of like 43. I mean 39 and 43 are really not that far apart.

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Yeah, but she's not in her, she hasn't yet.

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She.

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I feel like cuz 40 is such a, such a big birthday. I, I guess all the, all the, all the, all the, all the odds, all the zeros. You're 30th, you're 20. Well no, you, you do 21st. The big birthday markers are 21, 18, 25.

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18 is a birthday.

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Yeah, I was going to say past 20 actually.

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13, 18, 21, 25, 30.

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See but 25 is not. 25 is only important because you can rent a car now. But I, as far as being as an adult, I don't feel like 25 is a big market. Did you feel like 25 was like a big moment for you? I don't think it was for me. I think my big one was 21. Then when I was 27 then 30 and 35 doesn't feel any special either.

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Yeah, 25 did feel special to me.

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Yeah. Really?

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Yeah. More than 27.

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I think for me 27 just felt big. Like, I feel like that's when I was already living on my own. But. Yeah, I don't know. Do you wanna explain to people? So they don't think it's a. What it is.

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It's just I'm really getting really, really. I mean, I've been trying to quit vaping for a while now, and I. On top of using X Program, I'm also using this. This is something that Jacob printed for me. It is a. Just like a air control device that can help me ease the oral fixation of vaping. So I'm not vaping right now.

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And. And.

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And, you know, it help. It helps. So thank you, Jacob, very much. Oh, okay.

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This is the list. So Missy Elliot, get your freak on. Is.

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No, you go no 10 to 1. You don't go 1 to 10. That's crazy.

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Okay, well, because. That's. Because we already gave away number one. Yeah, but we don't give away number two.

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So this is.

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This is about Rolling Stones. Jacob, is it Rolling Stone or Rolling Stone?

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Rolling Stones.

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Rolling Stone.

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Stones is the group 10. They are the Rolling Stones. And the program and the magazine is called Rolling Stone.

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So this is the 10 best songs so far of the 21st century. If you don't know 21st century is everything after January 1st. Well, December 31st, 1999, anything starts with 2, 0.

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People don't know the 21st century.

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I think sometimes people get confused. I think in middle school, I didn't realize that the century was a year before.

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Well, it makes sense because it would be the. Yeah, because leading up to 1,000, that was the first century.

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Right.

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So obviously 1,000 is the second century.

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No.

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Yeah. So. So because 0 to 1,000 is the first century.

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Right.

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So 1,000 to 2,000 is the second century.

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No, 1,000. 2,000.

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No, Monet. 0 to 1.

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We're in 2,000 right now, and this is the 21st. So that's not how it works. Every hundred years, you're saying, not thousands.

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Thousands is millennia.

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No, I mean. No, I mean hundreds.

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Yeah.

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Yes. So every. So it's the one you're in.

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That's why they say it was like one to a thousand. I was like, no, that doesn't make sense. It's not the first century. That's. That's the first millennia.

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No, a century is a hundred years.

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Yeah.

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And a millennium is a thousand. Okay, what's a million?

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Millennium?

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A millennium.

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No, a thousand is a millennium. Millennium is millennia.

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Millennium.

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Millennium is a million.

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No, I don't know what a millennium. I don't know, I'm saying a thousand is a millennium. It's not millennia. It's a millennium. But I don't know what a million years would be.

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So the first millennia was one. Was zero to

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a mega num.

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So now we're. So now we're in the. We're in the second millennia. Millennia.

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I don't think. I think it's millennium. Like, you're like, this is the second. This is the millennium. It's not a millennia. But I don't know. Are you saying the plural of millennium is millennia?

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I don't know. Cause euphoria. The first. I don't know. I think it might be millennia. Cause they say this is.

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This is the millennium.

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No.

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You don't remember when they say we're entering the new millennium? Yeah, no one was saying new millennium.

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Yeah, it's called one millennium, plural. Two millennia, three millennia.

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You're saying one is a millennium. You say we're in a millennia.

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No, no, I said we're in the second millennia.

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But it's one of them. So it's a millennium.

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Say we're in the second millennium.

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Because the second. If you were to look at all these millennia.

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Yeah, yeah. Anemone.

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Okay, so Frank Ocean, number 10, Britney Spears.

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Wait, I don't know. Really?

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I don't know any Frank Ocean songs.

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I love Ocean. I'm not a huge Frank Ocean head, but I like some of his stuff. That's a good one. Also Pink. Blonde. Blonde is also just great. Anyway, so Frank Ocean is number 10. Britney Spears. Toxic is nine.

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Radiohead. I mean, let's talk. Well, we gotta talk about each one.

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I love Toxic. Toxic is my favorite Britney spurs song.

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It's a really good. My favorite is Womanizer.

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Womanizer is good. Oh, cuz. Toxic. My favorite move from Toxic, but she does this on her boobs.

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On the plane.

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On the plane.

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And I remember when it happened, people

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were like, oh, my God, Britney.

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I was like. But she just did a whole. Oops.

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I did it again when she was a Catholic schoolgirl with a skirt up to her hoo.

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Ha. If they thought she was scandalous, then if they could see her Instagram. Now if they could see her Instagram.

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If we had no foresight to see Britney's Instagram though. Whoa.

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So then at number eight, we have Radioheads Idiotic. I don't know. I think I know Idiotic.

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I don't.

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What?

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There's one Radiohead.

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Radioheads Idiotic.

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Oh, God.

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Okay, so it's possessive. You want to apologize? No.

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What are you apologizing for.

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For being wrong and trying to correct.

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So people should apologize when they're wrong.

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I'm asking if you want to. No, this is a question you always ask, do you want to apologize?

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No.

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This is out of Europe. This is a car directly out of your playbook. No.

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Anyway, continue.

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Okay. If y' all have ever heard Monet said you want to apologize, please comment below.

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I definitely said it once, but it's

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definitely not my thing. Even Andy says that. Something you say. Even Andy's like, that's a Monet thing. You call him right now, but you won't, because you know I'm right. I. I think I can maybe name one Radiohead song. Are they the ones they creep. I cannot name a single single other radio head song.

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Yeah, same Kendrick Lamar. All right. I don't know that song either. I don't know a lot of Kendrick Lamar. The most Kendrick Lamar I know are two songs, number one. Not Like Us because it literally took over the world last year. And Luther because SZA's on it.

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You don't know humble.

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How does it go?

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Sit down. Be humble, bitch. Sit down. Be humble. That's interesting. And you don't know Squabble Up, Reincarnated. I do know about stargazing because I

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read you do it.

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Cap.

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Cap.

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Squabble Up. Squabble. Is that Squabble Up.

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Squabble Up.

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See?

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Squabble Up.

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Yeah, I recognize Kendrick Lamar is obviously a huge, huge fucking deal. I went over my head.

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He's one of the only rappers with a Pulitzer.

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I know.

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You name another rapper with the Pulitzer. I can only name one. He's kind of a rapper.

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Let me guess. Jay Z?

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Lin Manuel Miranda.

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Really?

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Yeah.

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Lin Manuel Miranda has a Pulitzer Prize,

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I'm pretty sure, for Hamilton.

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Yeah.

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Yeah. Good for him.

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Robin.

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Dancing On My Own. Great song.

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Great song.

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This.

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This from Body Talk, right?

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No, I wouldn't know the album, but I do know this is also the only Robin song I know.

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No, you know, more honey.

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Well, how's that go? Don't know. It doesn't ring a bell anyway. But I know Dance On My Own was massive.

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It was. Yeah, it was.

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For sure.

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That was also a great dragon. Okay, is it. Can we say drag suicide or can we.

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They heard you. They heard you. Is like.

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Is.

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Is that.

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Is that. Is that crazy? You decide for yourself if you want to say that. You tell them. Tell them. Can you say it?

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What is the public. What is. What is the. What is. What is the timbre around that? People are like, oh, my God, that feels mean. To say that feels, like, insensitive.

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I don't know. You tell me.

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We're discussing on the podcast bitch.

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I think that a reference to suicide could be quite triggering to some people. Do I think it is impossible to avoid all triggers to people? No. Sometimes I think that things are part of the lexicon of an art form, and it is what it is. But you can also choose to be particularly sensitive regarding that thing. There are some stuff that I choose to not be particularly sensitive to, and there's stuff that I choose to be sensitive to even if it doesn't affect me specifically. Maybe because of how I know it affects. It impacts people around me and infects people around me and maybe that as well.

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So what's the thing on your face?

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What? So I would probably still call it drag suicide, but if someone took umbrage with that, I would be like, that makes sense. I get why you. I get why you don't like that. But I wouldn't be like actual. We can't say anything. I'd be like, I get it.

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All the queens in New York, they pivoted to calling it roulette. They're also drag roulette now, which is probably wise. Yeah. Also saying probably being at a club 10 nights a week and being like,

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tonight I drag suicide might be a hard. He did do that.

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I know. But now with new eyes, I'm like, I hear how that could be a lot.

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Every show like suicide. Yeah. I think I don't talk about drag suicide enough to have done the introspection on whether or not you should be changing it. But I have no qualms with shifting to drag roulette.

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Yeah. So in drag roulette, dancing on my own was always a. Was always a crowd pleaser. That song comes on the audience and be like.

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Yes.

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When I tell you. Gun to my head. I couldn't name a white stripe song. Gun.

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No, you missed five.

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Oh, Taylor Swift. All too well. Yeah.

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I don't know that song either.

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I just feel like there are better Taylor Swift songs.

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I know. Honestly, if I had to put a Taylor Swift song for number five, I would say say it with me. One, two, three. Bad blood. Bad blood.

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Yeah.

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Bad blood.

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That's a great song. Also, what's the one she had all the people in and she had RuPaul in.

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Calm down.

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Oh, no. I would do. Ooh, look what you do.

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Look what you made me do is. That's the one that had Todrick in it. Just dancing alone. Not alone.

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Todrick. Was in. In that video.

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Todrick was a dancer in that video. Yeah, I think Todrick choreographed that video too.

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And if there's one thing Todrick hall would do is choreograph something and put his ass right.

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Well, when he choreographed for Beyonce and he wasn't in it.

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Wait, what does he choreographer Beyonce Must

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be good for you. Uh, uh, yeah, mute. It must be good to you. Uh, the little rose low. Yeah, blah, blah. I didn't know.

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I didn't know like, he choreographed what was in the music video.

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Yeah, I didn't know that. I don't know that he choreographed the entire video.

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Oh, I did know Todrick. I did know Todrick was in this.

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What am I talking about? I'm pretty sure that Todrick. There he is. And I'm pretty sure that he choreographed that dance as well.

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That makes sense. Todrick is so talented anyway.

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Very talented.

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Agree. Number four. Couldn't tell you a white stripe song,

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but I also really love Taylor Swift's yeah, Look what yout Made Me do is one of my favorite Taylor Swift music videos.

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It's a good one.

[B]

And I have a very small Taylor Swift era eras and it's pretty much from what's it. My ex friend had a new boyfriend. She said, oh my. What's the song called? Shake It off up until look what yout Made Me Do. So anything. Anything before that. I know like. I know like teenage dream like you belong. I know that one. And I thought Blank Space was a good song, but I didn't know much about. But. But between Shake it off and look what yout Made Me Do, I pretty much knew every single got it because I think I felt like. Though I feel like for me that was her biggest era, but obviously she's done bigger numbers since then because I just haven't kept up. And as look what you made me do, I completely fell off the Taylor Swift train.

[C]

Also. Wildest Dreams.

[B]

That was in that era.

[C]

It was it.

[B]

Yeah, it was after that. I felt like it was happening. Can you find out when Wildest dreams came out versus when look at yout Baby do came out?

[D]

Oh, no, no. Wildest Dreams was. I think it was before, wasn't it? Yeah, 2014.

[B]

Yeah, it was within the chunk. So that's when I was like up to date on Taylor Swift stuff. And everyone wants me to have an opinion on this Taylor Swift album, but the truth is I don't listen to Taylor Swift's music enough to love her or hate her. And people, when you don't hate her or you don't love her. They get. You can't. You cannot be indifferent to Taylor Swift, to her haters, or to her Swifties.

[C]

Yeah. But I also think the reason why people are taking a little bit of umbrage with this new album is because allegedly, what it's saying about her and the choices she's making politically. And again, sometimes I'm like, you know, maybe that's the conversation we can do on current events.

[B]

I'm not listening to the album today.

[C]

No, no. Not listening to it. I'm not talking about.

[B]

I was like, I'm not listening to Elsewhere album to get a take on her.

[C]

Yeah. So what we could talk about on our current adventory, which people don't know, we have a current eventary that we

[B]

do every Friday exclusively on our Patreon.

[C]

On our Patreon, where we discuss current events. So I think we don't talk about. Because I think Bob and I, we're. Neither of us are Taylor Swift listeners. But what we do do. What we do do is we do. I mean.

[B]

Thanks, Activia.

[C]

I've seen the discourse regarding. Around, like, oh, she's trying to be like a trad wife. Or like, she's trying to sell this republican ideology through her album. Have you not seen, like, all the. All the think pieces and videos about it?

[B]

Yeah, you have? What? What? They stop just jumping from my face. Where is it coming from?

[C]

I don't know.

[B]

In fact, let's talk more about it after this break. And if you do not want to experience a break, you can go to our Patreon and you can get all of our videos in full. There'll be no cutoff, and you don't have to take it. You'll be back with us in three seconds if you're on Patreon.

[C]

Yeah. Close your eyes.

[A]

Exhale.

[C]

Feel your body relax, and let go of whatever you're carrying today.

[A]

While I'm letting go of the worried that I wouldn't get my new contacts in time for this class, I got them delivered free from 1-800-contacts. Oh, my gosh, they're so fast.

[C]

And breathe.

[B]

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[A]

I almost couldn't breathe when I saw the discount they gave me on my first order. Oh, sorry. Namaste.

[C]

Visit 1-800-contacts.com today to save on your first order, 1-800-contacts.

[B]

So I just. I. Okay, one day I'll just sit down and do a deep dive on Taylor Swift so I can actually keep up because I'm so far behind on all of her drama. And what's What? And this, that and the other. But if she is.

[C]

Wait, this is Current Adventure Giving. You're selling. You're giving the car away.

[B]

Well, let's move on to white. I wish. I love that we're dropping a little bit about each people. I don't. All I know about the White Stripes is they are white. No, no, no. I think. I think. Actually, I don't know. But apparently one of their trademarks is having really sexy women in their music videos.

[C]

Oh.

[B]

Like, there was a line from some TV show. You could be in a White Stripes video. Like, I believe the white strips stripes notoriously put. Very, very sexy. Can you look up wipes? Right. Videos also, we can see it on the. On the screen. So we can also join you in this journey. But I believe they would, like, put. Or maybe White Stripes had a woman on the car one time.

[D]

I think maybe the line is White Snake. Isn't that.

[B]

Oh, White Snake.

[C]

Wait, what is it?

[B]

Maybe it's a White Snake video. Yeah, you're right.

[C]

White Snake is a different group, I reckon.

[D]

Oh.

[B]

Oh, it's Naomi. Oh, should I tell her?

[D]

She's on the pod.

[B]

Naomi, you're on the podcast.

[C]

Hi.

[B]

We're. We're so long.

[C]

We're potting.

[B]

We miss you.

[C]

I miss you too. I was literally calling to spill the

[B]

tea, but I guess I'll have to wait. Okay, I'll call you after. I love you.

[C]

All right. All right, bye.

[B]

I think also White Snake. Yeah, I think White Snake is actually.

[C]

No white thing like that that grew from the 80s we just saw.

[B]

Isn't this White Snake?

[D]

Yeah, this is. This is white stripe.

[B]

Oh, yeah. This does not look like a group that would have a slutty, sexy lady in their video.

[C]

Yeah, this is. This is.

[B]

That's why they're the ones who do the slutty videos. That was like their thing. Their whole thing was like. I mean, also, bear in mind back then, what it meant to have, like, a skanky girl in your video is very different than what it is now. A woman.

[C]

Like a fucking mugler suit.

[B]

I think tip Drill really changed what that meant. You know what I mean?

[C]

Okay. Number three is Beyonce. Crazy in love. I will say, I think this was, like a.

[B]

For her career.

[C]

It was definitely a major moment. It was like her breaking away from Destiny's Child and her first, like, foray into, like, this is my new era.

[B]

If you're gonna put a song. If you're gonna put a Beyonce song on here.

[C]

Single Ladies. No.

[B]

Deja Vu

[C]

is your number one. Beyonce song.

[B]

It's not. Maybe. I. I'm. I'm gonna go out a limit and say that Deja Vu is Beyonce's best song. No, baby, you can't go anywhere without thinking that you're there. If you have. In Deja Vu, she goes. She is.

[C]

She's going off the changing registers for me.

[B]

I went back to the actual register. Yeah. Like, she goes off so hard at that song. She's like, you're getting so good at

[C]

singing, by the way.

[B]

You're very kind. Thank you.

[C]

Like, the lessons are, like, really lessening.

[B]

Thank you. My vocal voice teacher canceling me today.

[C]

You want me to give you a lesson?

[D]

Sorry, you playing with that.

[B]

Oh, sorry. And I do it through zoom, which is kind of stressing me out.

[C]

You see, I would hate a zoom lesson. I want my teachers to be able to touch. And, like, I used to go to

[B]

this amazing lady named Barica who's here in la. Um, Barrick is great, but I just felt like I needed someone who sings in my register. It helps me. Monet did this the other day, and I kept being like. They kept being like, bob, you harmonize? And I was like, I don't know why y' all wanted me to harmonize. That's. They kept be like, and, Bob, you'll do the harmony. And I was like, I won't. I tried. I tried. I didn't just give up. But I remember being like, guys, we're gonna be here all day trying to do this. It's not gonna happen. I just kept singing Monet's part anyway.

[C]

Yeah, I. For me, it's single. It's not my favorite song, but I think it's. I think it's for the 21st century. If we're doing this list, I would say single ladies, not crazy in love.

[B]

It's like, work. It's get your freak on.

[C]

Oh, is that what I said?

[B]

No, no, you said it was Gossip Girl, and then we changed it to Gossip Folk, so.

[C]

You're right. I meant I knew it was a G. Okay.

[B]

Yeah. I do not know the yeah yeah Yeahs.

[C]

Don't know.

[B]

I know. I've heard of the yeah yeah Yeahs. I don't know these hoes.

[C]

They're a rock. They're like a rock group. Yeah.

[B]

I think they're kind of like soft rock, though. They're not like. They're not like, white striped. Yeah yeah yeah. I believe the yeah yeah Yeahs might be kind of like, that's not my name.

[D]

You don't know the song Maps no, no.

[C]

You don't know it either, bitch.

[D]

I do. It's. Hey, they don't love you like I love you.

[B]

Wait.

[D]

Yeah.

[B]

They don't love you. Is that really it? Nah, that's it.

[D]

Maps. Yeah.

[B]

Oh, I do know. You don't know that song.

[C]

No, wait.

[B]

They don't love you like I love you.

[C]

What's their vibe? Are they like.

[B]

You got to drop the bar on that one.

[C]

Oh, my God. She looks like Detox for a second.

[B]

Little bit. Little bit. You're saying cuz she has a big nose.

[C]

No, just the face shave.

[B]

Her nose makes her like Detox. Let's keep it a buck. Saying someone has a big nose is not a criticism. It's an observation. I just.

[C]

I was.

[B]

Okay, okay.

[C]

You asking me what I thought? I'm saying it's the whole.

[B]

You're saying her nose had nothing to do with it.

[C]

Say nothing. Just the whole face.

[B]

Can you acknowledge. Can you comment on this one? Whether or not her nose has anything

[C]

to do with it. Sounds so inappropriate.

[B]

No, I would say season one's big nose is not a criticism. It's an observation. I didn't say anything about those.

[C]

You comments on the nose.

[B]

I do think she's quite stunning.

[C]

She is beautiful.

[E]

Yeah.

[B]

But her nose is what makes to me. The nose is what made me think Detox to you.

[C]

It was to YouTube, but we're not gonna go into that.

[B]

You're like, nose, everything but her nose.

[C]

Actually. You are out of control.

[B]

Out of control. And number one, Missy Elliott. Get your freak on. Get your fre. Quiet. Shut your mouth. Silence.

[C]

That's so good.

[B]

In your face. Open your mouth. Give you a taste. Ain't no stopping me. Copy written so don't copy me. We supposed to do it sloppily and y' all can't come close to me. Honestly, now that I'm getting into it. This song is so good. Oh, you feel me now? I feel it. Loud and proud. Oh, that's such a good song. Oh, Missy's so good.

[C]

She is great. You're a song. Of course.

[B]

Let's work it. Ratata is a different song that she did with Skrillex maybe like two or three years ago.

[C]

Oh, what?

[B]

Yeah. DJ Skrillex. We beat the realest team on the billets. Watch how I kill it. Watch how I spill it on the mic. Spill it. Y' all can't do what I do. Just admit it.

[C]

I didn't know that.

[B]

Yeah. She's so good.

[C]

She's fierce.

[B]

What would your top five songs of the 21st century be. Oh, do we have to agree on the top five or we should get five?

[D]

No, I don't think we need to compromise for this episode.

[B]

Top five is hard, y'.

[A]

All.

[B]

Don't. Do not. Do not nail me to the cross for this list. Like this, this. I'm coming on the fly, so don't hold my feet to the fire. If you catch me down the line and you ask me to, like, double down, I might not.

[C]

So, yeah, be.

[B]

Just. Let's start with be cool.

[C]

Yeah. Also, I think we're probably analyzing from different lenses. Yeah.

[D]

Like what? What do you mean?

[C]

Like, I, I, I. I'm going for some of mine. I'm probably going for more vocal performance and vibes, and I don't think. Is that a criteria you're using for yours? Yeah, vocal performance and vibes.

[B]

I know, but you.

[C]

Like, like, I think you're more. Like. You probably will have more rap and stuff like that. Like, you're not. There's not a lot of vocal.

[B]

How bold are you to assume.

[C]

Because you love rap, you're a rapper.

[B]

I just said how bold are you to assume? That's all. How bold of you to assume you love rap. All I'm saying is how bold are you to assume? You go first. What are you. It's gonna be five sizzle songs.

[C]

I'm just assuming this is gonna be a bunch of SZA songs. Okay, for number five for me.

[B]

Go ahead.

[C]

I would put Ride Ciara

[B]

for vocal performance.

[C]

Yeah, I said vocal and vibes. The vibe of that song, top notch for me.

[B]

Okay, number five for me. I'm going to put hey There Delilah by the Plain White Tees. The. The cultural impact of hey There, Delilah is undeniable. I think every person I would venture as far as to say that, I would say over the age of 31, in five people at least know that song. You know Heather, Lila, you know Jacob.

[D]

Yeah.

[B]

Yeah. So all four of us know it. That is a, you know, hater.

[C]

You literally start singing.

[B]

All right, go ahead. Your turn.

[C]

I would put the reason.

[B]

Who was Think Annery. That is a really good song. The reason is a fucking fantastic song. It's a great song. I might need you to Google the year, but I'm pretty sure this is going to make it in there. No, this is going to be way at the top. I need to hold off on this one, so I'm not even going to say this one yet because this is. This is probably gonna. The song I'm thinking right now is probably Going to be the number one song, but I'm gonna go with the opening track to Jay Z and Linkin Park's Collision Course album.

[C]

You love that song.

[B]

So this album is one of my top five albums of all time. And it is. It is a mixture of. I'm trying to remember the two songs. Yeah, yeah, no, it's Encore and Numb by. By Linkin Park. I believe that's what it is. And it is just a really good song. Can I get an encore? Do you want more? Cooking raw with the Brooklyn Balsa for one last time I need y' all to roar and then Liquor park goes. So what the hell are you waiting for? After me there should be no more so for one last time Nigga, make some noise. It's so. It's so good.

[C]

It's very good.

[B]

What's your number three?

[C]

Getting top three. This is tough. Top three. I'm going to put Lady Gaga.

[B]

Don't take mine.

[C]

Paparazzi. Okay, you're good.

[B]

Just don't take mine.

[C]

What's yours?

[B]

Cause Lady Gaga's on my list, too.

[C]

Is she number three?

[B]

No, actually, I'm gonna put my number three as Madonna's Bitch on Madonna, which is not a huge Madonna song people go crazy for. But I really loved Bitch on Madonna. I also really. Okay. I also really love Tell the Ken. Like, tell me love isn't true.

[C]

Is Madonna.

[B]

Yeah. Something that you do.

[C]

Does this express yourself?

[B]

No, it's called Don't Tell me.

[C]

Don't Tell me. Is this when she's in the desert? When she's in the desert?

[B]

No, she's on. She's on, like, a big green screen. Like, just like walking on a treadmill. But she's kind of in a desert. Yeah, but it's like. It's. The desert is projected, but she's just.

[C]

Right. Yeah, yeah.

[B]

But it's really clear that she's just standing in front of a green screen. Yeah, I'm gonna say. I'm gonna say, bitch, I'm Madonna for number three, featuring Nicki. Is number three okay?

[C]

For me, number two is going to be.

[B]

You don't have it yet. You better.

[C]

No, because I'm thinking of two. I don't know which one to do. I'm going to say. Because it's just top of mind. I'm going with top of mind. A sorry from Beyonce. Lemonade.

[D]

Okay.

[B]

How's that one go again?

[C]

Sorry. I am sorry.

[B]

Oh, I'm sorry. Yeah, yeah, that one. Yeah.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

I'm going to give number two to Adele for All I. Oh, it's okay. It's either going to be all I ask or it might be. Oh, no, it's either going to be. Yeah, I'm about to take yours scooped up. No. No stealing. So let me decide that. You can have an Adele song. It's either going to be all I ask. We're my Bruno Mars, by the way. Or it'll be Set Fire to the Rain. Because Set Fire to the rain is Set Fire to the Rain such a good song. To the rain is that fucking song.

[C]

It's insane.

[B]

When I start feeling it chill the time when she goes Sometimes I wake up by the door that heart you call must be waiting for you in and out and we're already over I can't help myself from looking for the. She goes this way. I set fire to the rain Watching for as I touch your face well, it burned when to cry. Cause I heard you screaming not your name. I said fire. Oh, it's so good, that song. I'm telling you.

[C]

So good.

[B]

Set Fire to the Rain is these. How is that song not on their list?

[C]

I know.

[B]

Also, Rolling Stone's list is rage bait. Okay?

[D]

So the other notable thing about this list is it's the top 250 best songs, which is insane. And also, you have to scroll down continuously. Like, it's just one giant, like, 250 long list.

[B]

So they search for Adele on this list.

[D]

I mean, yeah, let's see.

[C]

Command F. Oh, there you go.

[D]

No, but here's the thing. You have to, like, load and then. So they're making. They're selling you ads this entire time.

[B]

I mean, obviously.

[D]

So I. I can. But it's just gonna. It's not like

[B]

Adele not being in top 10 is actual. Is actually insane.

[C]

Oh, Novocaine is a good song. Number 100. Okay, so. And my number one is going to be Broken Clocks by SZA, my favorite SZA song of all time.

[B]

This is the number. This is the top. This is the number one song of the 21st century. For Monet's list.

[C]

Yes.

[B]

For. I don't know, this. Can you give me a little? Can you give me a little?

[D]

Yeah. Someone. Someone like you is at 19.

[C]

That's probably. I mean, I think the rain is better than someone like you. I do. But I think. But culturally, I think someone like you had a way bigger impact. Or I think. I think our biggest one is probably. Hello.

[B]

No.

[D]

Rolling in the Deep, right?

[C]

Oh, rolling in the Deep. I forgot about that. Yeah. Remember that SML sketch of hello?

[B]

Yeah.

[D]

With.

[B]

With Gabby. No. A.D. bryant.

[C]

80 Bryant. Yeah.

[B]

I was really trying to get that

[C]

out of my head. Gabby Bryant. Yeah. Broken glass All I got is these broken clocks I ain't got no time Just burning daylight still so good.

[B]

I need you to double check the year and if this is in the new. If this is in the the. The this century, the 21st century, this is easily, hands down for me, undisputedly the number one song of the 21st century. And it is. We Belong Together. Mariah Carey.

[C]

Oh, yeah. That thing that came out in 2001. Can you double check emancipation of Mimi 2021 for sure we belong 2001 for

[B]

sure we belong together a 2005.

[D]

Yes.

[B]

Mariah Carey. You ate. Mariah Carey was showing these girls. Mariah Carey. I want you to. I need you to also understand the impact of Mariah Carey doing this at this point in her career.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

This is 20 years after she started.

[E]

Yeah.

[B]

And she still has a banger. Not just. And also Mariah Carey is. Y'. All. Mariah Carey's writing almost all of this.

[C]

She's a great songwriter.

[B]

Mariah Carey is putting pin to paper. I don't know who your favorite singer songwriter is, but I promise you she's not better than Mariah Carey. He's not better than Mariah Carey. They're not better than Mariah Carey. She's really good when it comes to writing the. Mariah Carey could have just been writing bops as an undercover writer and still been as prolific as she is. Right. She could have been Max Martin.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

Like, Mariah Carey's pen is insane. Her voice is beyond this world. Mariah Carey is my all time favorite diva. Hands down, she is that girl.

[C]

She has a new album coming out.

[B]

It's already out.

[C]

It's out already?

[B]

Yep.

[C]

Have you listened to it?

[B]

Yes, I have.

[C]

Living.

[B]

It's pretty good. It's pretty good. It's not, you know, but I think I'm at age where I'm like, I want the old stuff.

[C]

Well, she apparently she has a secret album. She was. Her and sister did the same Apple Music interviewing her and she has this, this secret album she recorded around. Around a Dream. Dreambox was the album. Well, yeah, one album. The dream album. She has a secret album that she recorded that she's like, I might put it out one day. So it's like from her voice, it's like the Wu Tang Clan album from like that era.

[B]

That's like the Wu Tang Clan album.

[C]

Do they have a secret.

[B]

They have an album that they're set to release in two, like, 20, 2150 or something. I think Dolly Parton has one, too.

[C]

Someone's ugly daughter. Yeah. There we go.

[D]

No, no, this is. Sorry, I was listening. The Mariah Carey has a secret rock album.

[B]

You guys already out?

[D]

No, I mean, it's out, but it's like. It's not under Mariah Carey. It's under Chick. It's under the name Chick, but it is a Mariah Carey album.

[B]

I need to look into this. Yeah, and can you see when Wu Tang's secret album is released?

[C]

Wait, so they recorded it?

[B]

They have a whole album recorded, and it's set to be released in, like, 21? I don't know when it's set to be released.

[C]

Huh.

[B]

They have, like, this crazy.

[C]

I don't know about this.

[B]

And then it got purchased by this guy who was like, I'm gonna release it. He, like, this really rich guy bought it, was like, I'm gonna go ahead and release it. How do you buy it?

[C]

From who?

[B]

With money? Girl, I don't know.

[C]

I'm saying with, like, from who?

[B]

Like, from the wizard, maybe. Who knows?

[C]

5 is just not enough time. It's not enough spot, not enough slots.

[B]

But when does the Wu Tang album.

[C]

Hold on.

[B]

When does the Wu Tang.

[C]

Can I speak?

[B]

When does the Wu Tang Clan's time capsule album get released? Allegedly, it's supposed to be out in 2103.

[C]

21. Why that year? Got it.

[B]

I wish I knew more about.

[C]

I don't really. I didn't really know a lot about the Wu Tang Clan. I didn't. I didn't. I was. I didn't grow up in a Wu Tang Clan house.

[B]

Can you. Can you name any members? Are they from New York?

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

Okay. I thought it'd be part of the canon of being a New Yorker.

[C]

No, not for me.

[B]

Can you name any members of Wu Tang Clan?

[C]

Rza.

[B]

Huh?

[C]

Glizza. That's not it. Sza.

[B]

Okay, Ghostface Color.

[C]

Ghost Face. I know there's a G in there.

[B]

And what's the one standing there?

[C]

Wu Tang Clan. Redman and Method Man.

[B]

Redman. Method Man. Were they in Wu Tang?

[C]

I think so.

[B]

And then what about Older? The bastard.

[C]

Oh, yeah. He does Wu Tang Clan, too. Let's take a break and we'll. We'll see.

[B]

I'm not gonna fake it. Yeah, just. Y' all know Monet.

[E]

No, no, no, no.

[C]

I'm gonna see if we can talk. Okay.

[B]

We're reading them. Oh, y', all. I didn't.

[C]

I didn't realize there was this many niggas in this thing. I thought it was like five of them.

[B]

We got a few. We got rza, Method Man. We got old.

[C]

I was right. I said Glizza.

[B]

Where's the glza?

[C]

The third one?

[B]

That's jza. Oh, it's rza, Method man, gza, Old Dirty Bastard, Raekwon, Ghostface Killer, Impeachable Deck, Capadonna, Master Killer, you, God. And methematics. So we got rza, we got Method man, we got Red Man's not. There's no Red Man's not.

[C]

Oh, Redman is not a part of this goose egg.

[B]

No, we got Old Dirty Bastard, we got Ghostface Killer. I don't think anyone can. I mean, there are people, but I don't think most people can name all of the Wu Tang Clan.

[C]

Yeah, so Redman just had a separate career. I got it. Okay. I could have sworn he was part of the Wu Tang Clan. The origin of Staten Island. Ew.

[B]

You can't help where you're born, Mana.

[C]

Like. No, like, that means they started the group in Staten Island. Staten Island.

[B]

What you want from them?

[C]

I didn't know Staten island had black people.

[B]

You never heard of black people from Staten Island? I don't think I met a black

[C]

person from State is.

[B]

I don't think so. Have you ever met anyone from Staten Island?

[C]

Megami.

[B]

You've met Megami?

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

Oh, I only know. I only know one. Megami's the only person. I've never actually met her in person. I've never actually met her. I mean, actually, apparently I did meet her back in the day at Lil Queen, but I met so many people, it kind of just passed my brain. But I do not know people from Staten Island.

[C]

Yeah. And Mogami's the only person from State. And I'm born and raised in New York, I think. No, that's not true. I've definitely met people in my life from Staten island, but I couldn't. It's not coming to me.

[B]

Tomas.

[C]

Tomas.

[B]

Tomas, the they theme actor who was in Fire island, who wears. Who does nails. Rap sometimes. Tomas is also from. Tomas. Yeah. Tomas Matos is also from Staten Island.

[C]

Oh, I don't think I've ever met this person. Do I know this person? I don't know.

[B]

They're a Broadway actor. They be in movies.

[C]

Oh, yeah. I don't know them work. Beautiful. I mean, they're very beautiful.

[B]

Trey. Beautiful.

[C]

I love you've integrated Trey into your.

[B]

I've been saying Trey for years, Tre,

[C]

but it'll be tre, tre, chic, tre, tre, tre. The R is not rolled, it's flipped. It's like a tre, tre. This fucking guy, man. I use she her pronouns only.

[B]

That's a lie.

[C]

Now I do.

[B]

You're lying Now I do. I'm telling you right now, you're lying.

[C]

I'm an. I'm an agrosexual.

[B]

You're lying.

[C]

I'm agrosexual.

[B]

That part I don't disagree with. But you saying you only use she her pronouns. Now you're lying.

[C]

That's an agrosexual.

[B]

You're doing it for your convenience. So you can try to inconvenience me, but I got a feeling if Andy walked in, started you right now, you wouldn't be she her no more.

[C]

Actually, Andy identifies as straight sometimes.

[B]

You're not trolling me with. First of all, this ain't an episode of Z way. You can't. You can't cook me up with being like, I. I got you with my pronouns.

[C]

You know, one time, Andy and I, we tried fucking when I was in drag, and he just couldn't take it because he doesn't want to get any makeup on him. So I'm like, how you gonna fuck me?

[B]

Why does he want to get makeup on him?

[C]

Cause he's just weird. He was like, I don't want. He doesn't want to get like. Cause when you're in drag, you don't wanna turn black. Yeah, when you're fucking a queen, you're fucking a clown. Like, when you're fucking me in drag, you're fucking a clown. It's gonna get foundation, lipsticks. Things are gonna go everywhere.

[B]

So how are people who wear makeup all the time fucking? Like, their sheets must look crazy.

[C]

I know.

[B]

I think about that. People who are like, who wear makeup every day, your sheets must look cr. Like, are you just washing your face before sex, probably?

[C]

Well, no, because. I don't know, like. No, because when you. You know, when you're done up, like, you, like, so you're all done up, you want to fuck. So you go to your house, you wash your face clean.

[B]

No, but these sheets gotta be a mess.

[C]

But they don't use white sheets probably. They probably have darker hue sheets, I would imagine.

[B]

Cause these girls who be like, painted, painted girl. I'd be like, how are you laying down in the bed and having sex?

[C]

But he also wanted to. He also wanted the full fantasy. So he's like, you gotta wear the corset and everything. And I was like, the corset Everything. So I gave him what he wanted, get the corset. And he just couldn't take.

[B]

What do you mean he couldn't take? Like, he couldn't get bricked up.

[C]

No, he could, but when it got to makeup and stuff getting on him and him. Me having the corset and stuff on, he's just like. It's just a lot.

[B]

I'm like, you asked for this, so y' all just stop mid process. And you.

[C]

I. I just took off. I took off the thing, and we.

[B]

So you want. You took off your makeup.

[C]

We just didn't. We didn't kiss anymore, but we. We still.

[B]

How do you feel about having sex while kissing?

[C]

I'm fine with it, girl. When I used to. I.

[B]

How do you feel about kissing without having sex?

[C]

Kissing. I do that all the time as well.

[B]

I'm just asking.

[C]

Just wonder either or.

[B]

I mean, like, passionate kissing. Not like, mwah. I mean, like, passionate kissing.

[C]

Like, passionate kissing. I think that that can be hot, depending on the person. Like, that can be hot because I'm like, oh, my God, I'm so excited. I can't wait till the next time we get to do this. We can hopefully progress more and have. I think that's sexy. Especially in today's economy where sex is so, so easy to get.

[B]

One time you. You passionately kissed someone at a party.

[C]

I did?

[B]

Yeah. You told. You talked about on the podcast. You passionately kissed a guy at the. At a. At the party. The Elton John.

[D]

Elton John's party.

[B]

And that never let it take. Was that. Was that like. Was that. Did that give that. Were you, like, turned on by how.

[C]

It wasn't passionate, though? That wasn't, like, a passion to kiss, girl. Oh, no. It wasn't a passion to kiss.

[B]

I thought it was. I thought. I didn't know. I don't know if y' all went behind the repeat was like, no, no,

[C]

it was not a passion to kiss. It was just a kiss. Yeah.

[B]

Okay.

[C]

Like, yeah, literally.

[B]

Wait, what?

[C]

Yes.

[B]

Then why were you all. Why you. You. You made. You describing it now makes sound like it was, like, friendly, but you describing it then made it sound like it was sexy.

[C]

No, it was sexy to me because I. Because I was a big fan of that person. I was like. I thought that person.

[B]

Your hand, the way that y' all kiss each other, it was like.

[C]

I never said it was a you.

[E]

It.

[B]

It. It sounded like y'. All for me, because I was. To me, it sounded like someone got slammed against the wall, a picture frame fell. Jacob Was like, got lifted.

[C]

Not all that.

[B]

Your wig was like this.

[C]

It wasn't a drag.

[D]

No, I feel like you said you made out with him.

[B]

Yeah, you did.

[C]

No, I said. I said I kissed him.

[B]

I kiss Naomi.

[D]

There's an episode where we talk about it, so we can run it back

[B]

to fanboy Naomi like that. Naomi kisses on the lips. Do you know this?

[C]

Wait, what?

[B]

Naomi kisses on the lips. I was like, oh, the first time. Now I expect it. But Naomi kisses on the lips, like, all the time.

[C]

When you guys greet each other, like,

[B]

when we say goodbye, she will kiss on the lips. Did you. You didn't know this? No, you probably haven't, but you've probably been kissed on the lips by Naomi.

[C]

Yeah, I have before, but it's not like every time we grew like, hey, girl.

[B]

I would say not every time, but I have kissed Naomi on the lips more times than I've kissed you on the lips easily. Like, she is the lip kisser.

[C]

Okay, so how do you think about lip kiss? Like, okay, unless it's like a queer thing where people are like, yeah, it's fine. Like, to kiss on the lips.

[B]

I feel like, no, that's hard because Lil Wayne and the baby be kissing on the lips. That's true, Birdman.

[C]

But I don't think it's weird for queers to be weird. I don't think it's strange for queers to be weird to. To be weirded out, like, about. About it.

[B]

No, I. I just didn't expect. So the first time Nami kiss me on the lips, I just didn't expect it. I was like, oh. But I quickly. I quickly adjusted. I was like, we're kissing on the lips. Yeah.

[C]

But I was saying, like, for queer couples, like, I think I see it happen among queer people, just like, kiss each other on the lips. Whereas I don't see it happen a lot with straight and straight culture.

[B]

I don't kiss many of my friends. The only people I kiss on the lips are usually, honestly, Jacob, Tao and I guess now Naomi. But I'm not really kissing. And you sometimes, yeah. I've kissed Nick on the lips as, like a bit during like a Instagram, like a TikTok live or YouTube live. I would kiss almost all of my friends on the lips. I have no qualms with kissing any of my friends on the lips, but the only people I do, I could say I actively kiss on the lips are you, like, sometimes, not often. But we have kissed on the list before. Naomi, Tao and Jacob, do you know there Are different.

[C]

Like, Jacob, can you look up? Can you. There's different, like, countries of kissing. Like, there's French kissing. Can you look up Italian kissing.

[B]

Yeah. Curse each other out and eat pasta.

[C]

There's one for, like. There's, like, different. There's like a different. For, like, multiple countries. There's a different type of kiss. I didn't know this.

[D]

This says the Italian kiss is a greeting.

[B]

Two air kisses, Isn't that a lot of Europe?

[C]

Right?

[B]

But one place that, like, there's some country in Europe, they're like, no. One kiss. They're like, one. Two is too much. They're like, mwah. Yeah. Italians are, mwah. Mwah.

[C]

Got it.

[B]

I think that, honestly, air kisses are a great way to greet each other. Strangers even. I believe you can greet a stranger with an air kiss. Two on each cheek. Not. It's like, I believe that greeting a stranger and going is. To me, that's a great reading.

[C]

Yeah. I mean, I think two is a lot. I meet you. Hey, girl, move on.

[B]

So you think Italians are doing too much?

[C]

Yes.

[B]

You want to tell the Italians at

[C]

home, y' all are doing too much also. But people that also know the French, I think French. French do. 3. They'd be like,

[B]

girl, I'm tired, and the French are doing too much.

[C]

I was exhausted. I was watching an interesting video talking about the French people and why they are so. The reason why they're. Her name. I love her. Her name is Christina Brown. Very smart, gorgeous, fierce woman. Queer woman in New York. She's fierce. You probably know you've seen online before. And she has this whole thing about why, like, the French revolt, and I'm gonna bastardize it right now. So I'm gonna save this for maybe our current inventory. And she talks about French people and why they're so good at protesting the government, because the government has given them allowance to do it, and they all. I'm fucking it up. And I don't know why I brought it up, but glad we have this chat. This is a thing to talk about.

[B]

Do you know about Inuit kisses?

[C]

Inuit?

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

Who's an Inuit?

[B]

So Inuit is the actual term that most people refer to as, like, an Eskimo, but that's actually an offensive term that people don't actually use. But an Inuit kiss is really cute and charming. They grab your head and they smush, smush. They're like, face into your cheek, like, really, really hard. And the harder they do it, the more affection they show toward you. Well, what.

[C]

But what. What is an Inuit? And Inuit is the name of the. Is. Is the indigenous name of the people.

[B]

Yes.

[C]

Oh, got it. Okay.

[B]

And they like do this like he showed pull a video of it in you. A kiss is real. They. It's not only. I don't think it's called Inuit kiss, but like it's just like a way that they express passion toward each other. And you hold the head and you just smush. You just.

[C]

I have seen that you smush your nose. I've seen this girl on TikTok before.

[B]

So people think it's the rubbing nose, which is not it. It's the nose. It's called Kunk, is it? Or cunic. What's it called? It went by a little bit fast, but it's really charming. That's so. That's like if you. A little soft one. But if you really love them and just make sure we get this video.

[C]

Yeah. The stronger you do it, if you really.

[B]

Well, now we can't see it because you're typing, but we missed it. But if you really love it and you, you know, you want to show someone you love them a lot, you grab them and you just really like pop, pop your face on.

[C]

Wow.

[B]

So, yeah, different places have different. How do they do in St. Lucia,

[C]

which is you don't kiss. She don't kiss people, like as a greeting. That's another thing.

[B]

I didn't say necessarily it was a greeting.

[C]

I mean, as. Anyway, how do I think because I'm gay, I just go into spaces and I, I, I, I, I, I, I greet everyone with an ear kiss. Everyone. I was like, oh, is that something

[B]

they do with that Lucia?

[C]

No. Oh. But like I, as a, as a gay, as a drag queen, a queer person living in America, when I greet people, I often go, I hug them and be like, hey, girl. Mwah.

[B]

In the south, it is quite common for. It is quite common for people, older people, especially older women, to kiss you on the cheek. Give me some, come in. Give me. Give you some kisses. Let me smother you in kisses.

[C]

Some sugar.

[B]

They say, yeah, let me give you some sugar. So it is quite common for older black women to give a lot of kisses on your cheek, not on your mouth. And the older men don't really do any kissing really, but they do a lot of hugging. This is probably where the phrase. Where my hug at?

[C]

Do you know why? Do you know why it's called sand?

[B]

Sand?

[C]

Uh huh.

[B]

No.

[C]

Because it's a bridge between the sea and the land.

[B]

Is that true?

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

Or did you hear that somewhere did you look it up or did you just hear it somewhere?

[C]

I heard it somewhere. I mean, it makes sense.

[B]

It does make sense. The Old English is inherited from the word. From the proto Germanic word sandam. The sand is a pro.

[D]

The idea that sand is a portmanteau of sea and land is a false etymology or folk etymology.

[B]

Yeah, I was. That sounds as.

[D]

The words for sea and land are distinct in Germanic languages and the words for sand has deeper separate roots. Yeah.

[B]

I remember thinking myself that sounds like. That sounds like something you see on Tik Tok without looking up and then just saying it's true, which is, I think, exactly what happened here. But it's also like, I don't. I don't believe in this fornication under consent of king the way I've never looked it up. Fornication under consent of the king.

[C]

What the fuck does that mean?

[B]

They're saying that there's a, like a thing. Like everyone's like, Fuck stands for fuck. There was a.

[C]

The population of a.

[B]

The population was so crazy that you couldn't have kids unless the king allowed you to. So you had to get a fuck. A fuck permit that they would put over your door and say for. Or that you hand to you and say, fornication under consent of the king. So that's the only way you're allowed to have sex and possibly have a child. You have to have consent from the king to do it. And the king would. But I. I have never looked that up. I. I would bet the ranch that's fake.

[C]

Probably. I mean, although these kings and lords and shit, they were. They were. They were fucked up back then. They were. They were wild.

[B]

We should do an episode where we try to come up with new. I saw this thing online, it was really cute. These guys, they just come up with new sayings.

[C]

You wanna elaborate?

[B]

Like, I can't think of them right now, but they're these guys and they come up with these interesting sayings that aren't real sayings, but it makes sense.

[C]

Like idioms.

[B]

Yeah, they're coming up with idioms. Yes.

[C]

Got it. Like two scoops. To the. To the.

[B]

Basically, yeah. So we do. We do our homework beforehand, write out our own idioms, and then come back and be like, this is what it is and this is what it means.

[D]

Got it.

[C]

And do you think. Do you think we. Do you think we have the cultural relevant to make some of these stick?

[B]

I don't.

[C]

I.

[B]

Every once in a while I hear. I've heard some from these guys. I was like, oh, that's good. And then I immediately forgot it.

[C]

Right.

[B]

But there's something. I was like, oh, that's great. That is good stuff. I would. I would say that.

[C]

See, the reason why I don't like wearing head wraps is that they're constantly sliding back. I've seen you do this so often. That's why I offer.

[B]

You tug your hat. You tug your hat literally non stop. You are always tugging on your hat.

[C]

Am I? I scratched my head a lot through my hat.

[B]

Go ahead and tell.

[C]

And by the way, when Scott Evans in Monet talks, people are like, oh, my God, he scratches his head too. Like, is everyone one of y' all have hats on? Y' all hats? Don't be. Y' all heads. Don't be itching you. So when you go. When you scratch your head, you take your hat off and scratch your head.

[B]

I do.

[C]

Why? You can feel it through here. Why do you have to take it off?

[B]

Also, the thing is, you sometimes scratch the bill of your hat. It is.

[C]

Look, box. That's cause we're on camera and you're looking at me this way. So it looks like I'm doing this, but I'm really back here. I'm not. What am I scratching this for?

[B]

I don't know. That's why I'm concerned. That's why I'm concerned.

[C]

Scratching the bill of my hat.

[B]

We have footages.

[C]

Show me the footages.

[B]

But you do this a lot. You act like there's no footages, then there'll be footages. I was rewatching episodes this morning about you saying that you told Kane, I'm sorry. And Kane was like, I didn't say that. So we know you lie.

[C]

I did tell Kane.

[B]

And on that note, thank you for coming on. I'm giving it to you.

[C]

You.

[E]

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