The One About Anatomy

Summary

Sibling Rivalry: "The One About Anatomy"

Podcast: Sibling Rivalry
Date: July 3, 2023
Hosts: Monét X Change & Bob The Drag Queen

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Episode Overview

This episode of Sibling Rivalry is a true encapsulation of what makes the show iconic: “If someone could define our podcast in one episode, this is it.” (Monét X Change, 02:05). Bob and Monét dive into conversations about bodies, sex, anatomy, drag, celebrity culture, and music, peppered throughout with their signature banter, hilarious personal stories, and honest reflections. The episode jumps from the logistics of measuring penis size, to anatomical misconceptions, to the hypersexualization of Black artists, culminating in a playful yet thoughtful discussion about names, celebrity identity, and self-confidence.

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Key Topics and Insights

1. Measuring Up: Penis Size Myths

Timestamps: 02:21–11:19

• Common exaggerations: Bob and Monét dissect the epidemic of exaggerated penis sizes on hook-up apps like Grindr and Jack’d, poking fun at “Grindr inches” as an unreliable metric.
  • Bob: “Grindr inches are like Uber minutes... Uber is like, ‘I’m five minutes away.’ Just say 15.” (05:18)
• Real life averages: They refer to actual data, confirming the U.S. average is just over 5 inches.
  • Jacob: “13.5 centimeters is 5.3 inches.” (06:57)
• Technique matters: Both share their own, and dispute others’, methods for measuring, with Bob arguing for measuring tape to account for curvature.
  • Monét: “Stop measuring like this... The ruler’s halfway up your asshole!” (09:00)
• Sexual prowess ≠ size:
  • Bob: “The size of your penis does not determine whether or not you’re a good lover… I’ve had fun in a lot of scenarios.” (11:19)

Notable Quotes

• “There’s Grindr inches, like Uber minutes… and Grindr inches are a completely different metric.” – Bob (05:18)
• “This is just a PSA to all y'all out there… stop it, stop it, stop it!” – Monét (08:59)

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2. Vulvas, Vaginas, and Anatomy Surprises

Timestamps: 11:54–15:22

• Vulva vs. vagina: Monét shares her recent realization that what most people call "the vagina" is really the "vulva."
  • Monét: “The thing that you see on the outside, that is called the vulva, not a vagina.” (12:46)
• Bob and Jacob’s confusion: The duo, with Jacob’s help, wrestle through definitions, underscoring just how common anatomical misconceptions are.
• Male anatomy: Discussion about the frenulum (head of the penis) and confusion over terms like "epididymis" spark both education and laughter about gaps in their own knowledge.
  • Bob: “I have a penis. I don’t even know all the names of the penis.” (15:04)

Notable Quotes

• “The vagina is part of the vulva, but the vulva is not the vagina.” – Monét (13:00)

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3. Food for Thought: Eating Anatomy (and TikTok Fame)

Timestamps: 17:09–25:20

• Chitlins and souse: Cultural experiences eating animal parts—Bob recalls pig intestines ("chitlins") in the South, while Monét describes souse from the West Indies.
  • Bob: “What do you think chitlins are? Chitlins are pig intestines.” (19:09)
• Social media stars: They transition into a discussion about modern celebrity via TikTok, comparing likes and followers across platforms, teasing each other along the way.
  • Bob: “You have more likes than Beyoncé. Beyoncé has 5.3 million likes. How does that feel?” (23:28)
  • Monét: “Why see why you always have to use this time to shade me and come for me?” (22:48)

Notable Quotes

• “Having a popular TikTok or Instagram—that is, that is currency as a celebrity now.” – Monét (22:22)

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4. DJing, Nightlife, and Pride Season

Timestamps: 33:09–39:41

• Exhausting Pride tours: Monét recounts performing at multiple Prides across the U.S., and the grueling schedule.
• First DJ set: Monét talks about learning to DJ (“not a press play DJ”) and first gigs, while Bob reminisces about stressful and joyous moments behind the decks.
• Trixie Mattel’s disco: Both hosts rave about Trixie DJing at Solid Pink Disco, calling the event “iconic.”
• Their tastes: They compare DJing styles—Monét prefers “house, funky, and pop,” Bob loves mashups and underground queer artists.

Notable Quotes

• “DJing is a lot of work because I’m not a press play DJ.” – Monét (34:27)
• “Her big wig and her dancing around on the Brooklyn Bridge—it looks like the Bat signal.” – Monét (37:04)

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5. Critical Takes: Azealia Banks, Doja Cat, and Black Women in Music

Timestamps: 41:35–47:57

• Azealia Banks’ commentary: Monét reads a scathing Instagram story by Azealia Banks critiquing Doja Cat’s artistry and authenticity, leading to a broader discussion about criticism among Black women in rap.
  • Bob: “Azealia Banks doesn’t like a lot of women in music. Black women specifically.” (43:32)
• Industry plants: The meaning of “industry plant” is explored amidst references to Cardi B, Lizzo, and others (45:23).
• Disappearing acts: They muse humorously about Bruno Mars’ absence from the current pop scene.

Notable Quotes

• “When people say that [someone is an industry plant], what do they mean?” – Monét (44:56)
• “She just doesn’t seem to like them. Have you noticed this?” – Bob (43:32)

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6. Sexualization, Stage Names & Black Pop Stars

Timestamps: 48:23–56:57

• Do Black artists have to hypersexualize? Bob raises a critical point—do Black artists have to over-sexualize or change their names to reach superstardom, contrasting with some white celebrities?
  • Bob: “Why do black people have to...oversexualize themselves to make music?” (49:10)
• Real names of celebrities: They quiz each other on the real names of pop stars, punctuated with their classic banter and surprise.
• Monét’s real name story:
  • Monét: “My birth name was Monet and then I changed it to Kevin. That’s why I went back to Monet when I went into drag.” (52:26)
• Lizzo’s positive representation: Both praise Lizzo for normalizing different bodies and encouraging self-love.
  • Monét: “Part of me being more comfortable with my body...is seeing people like Lizzo show their bodies.” (58:42)

Notable Quotes

• “I think what Lizzo’s doing with her body is really remarkable and low key, like, major.” – Bob (56:39)
• “I feel comfortable showing my body too...that has come with age, duh, but also seeing people that I feel has similar bodies do the same thing.” – Monét (58:42)

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7. Pronouns, Names, and Social Etiquette

Timestamps: 63:07–66:54

• Titles like ‘sir’ or ‘ma’am’: The hosts reflect on feelings associated with being called “sir,” “ma’am,” or “madam” in public, commenting on age, gender, and drag personas.
  • Bob: “Sir does make it seem like you’re calling me an old man.” (65:14)
  • Monét: “If I’m in drag and someone called me ma’am, I’d be like, uh, not ma’am, miss.” (64:36)
• Endearing nicknames: They discuss how names and nicknames feel personal, ending with a resolution to call each other “Bob” and “Mo.”
  • Bob: “Just call me Bob, and I’ll call you Mo.” (66:08)

Notable Quotes

• “Calling you Caldwell feels weird, too.” – Monét (66:02)

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Memorable Moments & Notable Quotes

• “This is quintessential Sibling Rivalry. We started talking about measuring dicks, we went to vulvas and vaginas, then we started talking about music. Now we’re talking about black bodies.” (Monét, 60:59)
• “After leaving Lizzo’s show, I remember feeling very inspired by her work.” (Bob, 59:34)
• “If someone could define our podcast in one episode, this is it.” (Monét, 02:05)

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Takeaways

• Cultural authenticity and myth-busting: Whether it’s challenging sexual “stats,” redefining anatomical terms, or discussing what it means to be a celebrity, Bob and Monét bring levity and honesty to topics typically fraught with shame or confusion.
• Body positivity: Both hosts champion the message that confidence and pleasure come in many forms—regardless of size, gender, or body type.
• The power of social media: They recognize the shifting landscape of fame, with likes and follows rivaling traditional celebrity status, but never take themselves too seriously.
• Identity and performance: The episode ends on a note about the significance of names, pronouns, and how we present ourselves to the world—on and off the stage.

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Final Thoughts

The episode is vintage Sibling Rivalry: outrageous, educational, full of revealing stories, and underpinned by real warmth and camaraderie. If you want an episode that “defines” the podcast—body talk, pop culture, drag reflections, and sharp social commentary delivered with laughter—this is the one.

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For listeners seeking specific segments:

• Penis size & anatomy: 02:21–15:22
• TikTok and celebrity culture: 22:04–27:32
• DJing, Pride, nightlife: 33:09–39:41
• Black women in music & Azealia Banks: 41:35–47:57
• Sexualization and celebrity names: 48:23–56:57
• Body positivity & impact of Lizzo: 56:39–59:15
• Names, pronouns & etiquette: 63:07–66:54

Transcript

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[Bob the Drag Queen]

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[Monet X Change]

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[Bob the Drag Queen]

My name is Bob the Drag Queen

[Monet X Change]

and I'm Monet X Change.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

And this is sibling rivalry. On this week's episode, we measure our dicks.

[Monet X Change]

We talk about DJing and disco.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

And we found out what made Monet say this.

[Monet X Change]

This is peak sibling rivalry. If someone could define our podcast in one episode, this is it. And we find out what made Bob say this.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Monet, you're very popular. Jesus Christ. Your TikTok is great. Everyone please go follow Mone on TikTok, please. Cheese Louise

[Monet X Change]

got a lot of bands, got a lot of. Okay, we talked about this before, but I want to. Gladstone did not have a rule. We had measuring tapes. This is a ruler, guys, okay? And these are inches on this side. Now, most dudes on the apps on Jacked on fucking Grindr, on whatever it is. On instant DMs, they were like, yeah, yeah, yeah. My dick is eight inches. This is eight inches, y'. All. How many people have you hooked up with? This is where it stops that you think you can get two. And I have big ass hands. Two and a and a quarter hands on they dick. That is half than. Less than 10% of the people that I have ever hooked up. What about you, Bob?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

How often can I put two hands on a penis?

[Monet X Change]

2. And have space for the head at the top too?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Um,

[Monet X Change]

and you and I have done the groundwork. We have had a lot of sex.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Yeah, let me think. There's, there's that one. There's. There's that one. There's. There's that one. There's that one. I mean, I would say it's probably, maybe, maybe, maybe one in five, One in six.

[Monet X Change]

Yeah. I would say for me, like the times I've encountered an 8 inch dick probably, like probably in my whole tenure as a sexual being, I would say I've seen and had about 20 altogether out of the hundreds.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I don't think that my hands are.

[Monet X Change]

You have big hands.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

This microphone isn't 8 inches, but I can get my hands like.

[Monet X Change]

Well, I have a ruler. You don't know.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I have.

[Monet X Change]

This is a fact. Okay, look, this is eight right here. This is two of my hands.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Jacob, how tall is this galaxy?

[Monet X Change]

Those are like six.

[Jacob]

So you want me to guess?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

No, I would like you to Google, I work at. I want you to Google the information, the dimensions of the Galaxy S22 Ultra.

[Jacob]

It is. It looks like it's 5.7.

[Monet X Change]

That can't be. I think it's 5.7. IPhones. IPhones at 6.7.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

This is the. This is the Galaxy Ultra.

[Jacob]

Oh, no, it's 6.8.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

So the Galaxy is almost 7 inches and it is exactly two hands. Like, it is exactly two of my hands.

[Monet X Change]

Because in real life, 7 inches is a big dick. And then you have the dudes that be on there. Yeah, I'm 9 inches. I'm 10 inches. I don't think I have maybe once. I maybe once encountered a 10 inch dick once.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Well, there's grinder inches. There's like grinder inches are like, are like Uber minutes. Uber is like, I'm five minutes away. Just say 15.

[Monet X Change]

Right?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Like Uber, like Uber minutes. Uber minutes. And grinder inches are. They're a completely different metric. And I think that it's because in the world I think of Grindr in the World of Grindr, the big dicks start at eight inches, and that's not true.

[Monet X Change]

It'd fully be six and a half, seven max.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

And I think that because the big dick started 8 inches on Grindr, people just say that they're 8 inches because they don't want to. They don't want anyone to think they have a small penis and they be lying or even. I guess they don't. I guess they don't even want people to think they have an average penis, I guess, even for that matter.

[Monet X Change]

Yeah. An average.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Which statistics say that an average penis is five and a half inches is apparently an average penis in the United States, I think.

[Monet X Change]

Yeah. No, that's right. I mean, I. There's like a. There's like. A while back, there was this, like, meme on. Not meme, but this, like, thing that would go around Twitter where it, like, show different countries and the average size of dicks in those countries. And I was like, duh.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Yeah, I'm googling average penis size by country. This is from worlddata.info I don't know how accurate this actually is, but apparently. Oh, they're in centimeters, though. I don't know.

[Monet X Change]

I don't know what 23 centimeters is. Like eight inches. That's like. They're eight inches.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Okay. The United States, the average penis is 13.5. 13.5. Eight centimeters. What is that in inches, girl?

[Jacob]

Sorry. Give me a second. I have the conversions. What is it?

[Monet X Change]

13.5?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

8 is 5.3.

[Monet X Change]

Yeah. 5.3 inches.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Yeah.

[Monet X Change]

And what is the average. Can you. Can you look up St. Lucia? What's the average dick size in St. Lucia?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

St. Lucia. I don't think St. Lucia's on. Well, they're not in. They're not in alphabetical order. They're all just. They're all by inches. So you have to just, like, scour.

[Jacob]

You can do control F,

[Monet X Change]

girl. Jacob, don't be at it. You know, Bob. Don't give. No Bob. Nothing else to do. She gonna delete the names.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

St. Lucia's not on here.

[Monet X Change]

Damn.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Maybe St. Lucia doesn't meet. Isn't at the top of the list. I think it stops at 10 cm. 10 cm.04 cm is the. Is the lowest one, I think, after they stopped measuring.

[Monet X Change]

Oh, honey. St. Lucia. We up there know that.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I mean, I don't. I don't know that there is statistics to prove that, but also, there's nothing wrong with. There's nothing wrong with the average penis size being low. There's like, if It's.

[Monet X Change]

No one says that.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I'm just saying. But the way you said it kind of had this like, yeah, we up there. I guarantee you that.

[Monet X Change]

Well, I'm going to.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Is 9.5 centimeters.

[Monet X Change]

Really?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

According.

[Jacob]

According to saintlucia.loopnews.com which is 3.7 inches.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

So, I mean, but also, by the way, that's not. There's. There's no. There's no shade or shade.

[Jacob]

Also, is this erect or flaccid?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I do not know. I'm just going off of Internet. By the way, none of these are from official database websites. So this could all be false. This could all be.

[Monet X Change]

When I say St. Lucia, that's just a metric I can measure because I know what my experience is. That's what I was saying.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

So I cannot verify whether or not penises are larger or smaller in St. Lucia. I have no way of actually measuring that. I think that maybe there's not enough specimens.

[Monet X Change]

You know, this is just a PSA to say to all y' all out there, who y' all be sending these. These people. You're new talking about some 9 inch or 10 inches. Stop it, stop it, stop it, stop it. And also, stop. We talked about this before. Stop measuring like this. The rule will be up here say, yeah, bitch, of course, you're 12. The rule is halfway up your asshole.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

How do you measure?

[Monet X Change]

You measure the base of your penis.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Well, can you give more details than just some people might think the base of the penis is their asshole. Okay.

[Monet X Change]

No. So you need a side by side. Do not go under the dick by the urethra, like by the balls, like you have your erect penis. And put. This is your penis. You put the ruler next to it like this, not under here. Don't start measuring up. Don't start from down there, right next to the penis. So you get a side by side and don't.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I don't. I don't. I don't approve of that measuring system.

[Monet X Change]

How do you measure?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Because there's a lot of reasons why I don't think you should do that. Like, for example, if you curve up or down, you're gonna lose some inches. If you curve left or right, you're going to lose some inches. Because. Because the journey is doing this. So this. You're losing some length there.

[Monet X Change]

So what do you do? Get some yarn.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

You need to use measuring tape, not a ruler. You should use measuring tape because that way you can actually follow the curvature of your penis. And I think you need to start at the top where your Penis meets your body on the top of your penis, not the side.

[Monet X Change]

If you have a straight up and down, I say just do the side. If you have a curve, we're not

[Bob the Drag Queen]

saying not the side is because the side goes further back. Because when I think the side of my penis I can go all the way back to my pelvis bone and there's not penis there. Because your penis isn't just.

[Monet X Change]

No from the base like where it's at. Because if you go to the top, niggas be going to the top maybe measuring, they be pushing, they be getting some centimeters going back too far.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Well, I mean if you have a lot of meat in there, if you have a lot of but I guess dough. Or if you have a larger body or more fat around your penis, but I think that you put it at the top of your penis, you run the tape along the length where the curves up down. You can get all the inches there

[Monet X Change]

left, right up, down. Got me screaming round and round and saying, uh oh,

[Bob the Drag Queen]

and also guys, this guys and girls or you envies. The size of your penis does not determine whether or not you're a good lover. There will be people in the world who. Who will decide that they do not like you because of. Because of your penis size. Maybe because it's too big, maybe because it's too palm, maybe because it curves too much to the left. You got to find someone who likes what you like. I am not a size queen. I have had a lot of fun with some. With some really big penises. I've had a lot of fun with some really small.

[Monet X Change]

I was about to say that too.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

And I've had fun with no penises at all involved. I've had a lot of fun in a lot of scenarios.

[Monet X Change]

Do you know what I just found out the other day? And I am. Did I say this to you? I don't know if we talked about this off the record or on the record. Did you know that the whole. The whole thing, people with pussies. The whole thing is called a vulva. Did you know that? Just. The sex hole is the vagina. The P hole is the cervix, but. And you have the labia majora, the labia minora, the clitoris, but the whole thing is called a vulva. I.

[Jacob]

What do you mean by the whole thing?

[Monet X Change]

The whole.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

The vulva is the outer part of the vagina.

[Monet X Change]

No. Well, yes, which. The outer part consists of the clit, the vagina, the cervix, the labia majora, the labia minora.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Yeah. Labia majora and the labia minora and the clitoris. So it's the labia minora majora and the clitoris is all the vulva.

[Monet X Change]

So for all intents and purposes, the thing that you're looking at, if you're not going in, the thing that you see on the outside, that is called the vulva, not a vagina.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Yeah, well, I think the vulva is part of the vagina. The whole thing is a vagina.

[Monet X Change]

No, no, it's the other way. No, no, no, no. The vagina is part of the vulva, but the vulva is not the vagina.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Got it? Okay, work.

[Monet X Change]

I gagged

[Bob the Drag Queen]

the whole time.

[Monet X Change]

The whole time.

[Jacob]

Part of the vagina, but the vagina is not the vulva.

[Monet X Change]

No other way around. The vagina.

[Jacob]

The vagina. The whole system is the vagina. And then the. What you're seeing. The external is the vulva.

[Monet X Change]

No, but the whole system. No, the whole system is a vulva,

[Jacob]

which I don't think that's true.

[Monet X Change]

That is true. A sex therapist told me this. A sex doctor.

[Jacob]

I don't even know the female genitalia, including the labia majora, labium minora, and clitoris. So I think it's just the. The external part. And then.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

No, the vagina ends at a hole. Ends at a hole called your vaginal opening. So.

[Monet X Change]

Right.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

It opens. It is no longer vagina.

[Monet X Change]

Right. So that's what I'm saying. The vulva. The vagina is part of the vulva, but the vulva is not part of the vagina.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Yeah. From what I'm reading, that seems to be correct. I don't think I know that. I don't think I know all the details of any. I don't even know where. On penises. Things starting in. So I know. I don't even. Like. I don't. I'm not like. I think the frenulum is the underside of the head. I think.

[Monet X Change]

Oh, I didn't know that.

[Jacob]

Vagina is the passage between the vulva and the cervix.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Oh, a frenulum is on the tongue.

[Monet X Change]

Are you about to say no, it's

[Jacob]

also on the penis.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Is it?

[Jacob]

Yes.

[Monet X Change]

Where? Okay. The penis. You have the penis. You have the urethra, obviously. The scotum. You have the epidimus, the penis.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

What's an epidemic?

[Monet X Change]

The epidemic is the thing on top of your balls. Like that. Like that. The thing on top of the scrotum. I mean. Oh, this is so embarrassing. I know. We don't know about our Bodies.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I don't know the name. I do not know the names of every part of the body. So I don't even. I have a penis. I don't even know all the names of the penis. So I definitely don't know all the parts of.

[Monet X Change]

Oh yeah, the frenulum is the bottom part. But you were right, the frenulum is under the head.

[Jacob]

Yeah.

[Monet X Change]

Oh, okay. Uh huh.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

But I know how to make everything feel good.

[Monet X Change]

I remember the. Okay, tell me this, are you one of those people? Do you like your prostate played with?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Not normally, no.

[Monet X Change]

Yeah, I've never experienced sensation in my prostate again. I've heard it can be really good. I mean. Okay, that's not true. I've had it from the inside, but not like actively.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Yeah, that's where you gotta reach the prostate. You gotta dig around in there.

[Monet X Change]

No, no, no, no, no, baby, there are some people who can access it through their balls. That's a real thing. Like you like, you leave jerking off and you like touching. You can poke down like on the outside, poke from the balls in and you can feel sensation that way. That's the thing as well.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

You know, maybe I've. We're doing something jerky all over again. I mean, maybe I've had. I had pressure put on my balls when I'm getting some sloppy toppy before. I enjoy that.

[Monet X Change]

Yeah. But I mean there's like a push the button down there that you can push that really gets things like really wild from the outside in.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Do you like that?

[Monet X Change]

No. Or maybe I just haven't found that joy. I mean getting it from the inside feels amazing.

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[Bob the Drag Queen]

We learn so much about our bodies every day. There's so much, you know, there's so many parts to your body with so many names and so many things. And I mean, did you know that like when you have a stomachache, it's usually not your stomach, it's usually your intestines.

[Monet X Change]

Yeah, that makes sense. I mean, your intestines are so big, you know, if you stretch your. I think if you stretch your intestines, like, from. Like you stretch them out, they go up to, like, a mile or something like that.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I don't think that's true.

[Jacob]

Not a mile, but very long.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Yeah, but I do not think that you have a mile of intestines in your body.

[Jacob]

Five feet. Oh, no, sorry. The small intestine is 20ft long, and the large intestine is five feet long.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

So 20ft long. That is not a mile.

[Jacob]

I think she was speaking exaggeration.

[Monet X Change]

I know

[Bob the Drag Queen]

that's more than an exaggeration.

[Monet X Change]

I was being a little hyperbolic.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

There are 5,280ft in a mile, so I would say. I would say. Yeah, you were being hyperbolic.

[Monet X Change]

Let's take a break. Let me talk about your motherfucking intestines, bitch.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Okay, yeah.

[Monet X Change]

You don't get to speak. You don't know how long my intestines can stretch. My intestines are fierce. They can stretch. You don't know my life.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I mean, I'm assuming that your intestines cannot stretch a mile, but maybe if you cut your intestines into thin strips, and then, like, your intestines are like. Maybe, like. Maybe they're like that wide around. But maybe if you cut them into very, very thin strips and then staple them to each other back to back, then maybe you could reach a mile.

[Monet X Change]

Have you ever been an adventurous eater? Like, you know, like. And again, different cultures, different things. But have you ever seen, like, especially in New York, like, you go to, like, Seatown and, like, you know, and I live in. I live in a West Indian in East Flatbush. It's a very West Indian neighborhood. Our supermarkets there, like, a little different than other places, I assume. So they have things like pig intestine and cow feet and all that stuff. Have you ever eaten stuff like that or no?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Yeah, Monet. I mean, in the south, we have. We eat pig intestines all the time.

[Monet X Change]

Really?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Yeah. That's.

[Monet X Change]

What.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

What do you think chitlins are?

[Monet X Change]

Oh, no, I could not eat pig intestines.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

That's what chitlins are. Chitlins are pig intestines. I don't eat chitlins. I do not eat chitlins. I have eaten chitlins in my life. I do not like them. They are not for me. Jacob has also eaten chitlins because my family cooks chitlins all the time. Oh, my God.

[Monet X Change]

Jacob.

[Shannon Maldonado]

Broke.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Broke.

[Monet X Change]

His, his. His vegetarian sobriety.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

My family, I don't know if my family doesn't get vegetarian veg. Don' what it is. But you'll be like Jacob's vegetarian. They be like, oh, he can have bacon, right? Like no vegetarian. Oh, he can have catfish then, right? No, Jacob's vegetarian. Oh, so, so we can have a little bit of. They will. They would just be like, they just. So Jacob, when he comes home to my house is. Jacob just assimilates.

[Monet X Change]

Yeah. I. In the West Indies we eat more cow stuff, like cow foot soup, a cow heel soup. And they have like a lot of like pretty much every part of the cow we're we're taking down. We're putting in like a sauce or something like that. I love sauce. I love souse.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

What? Souse.

[Monet X Change]

Sous did you take like cow feet, pig hooves, stuff like that and you like you boil them, you cook them and then you put it in a, in like and like it's like a hot congealed soup and then you like put like you make like a spicy cucumber salad with it and you have it that with bread and like a soup. It's really fucking good.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Do you know Vinny from Twitter? The one who does the pigeonette pride bit?

[Monet X Change]

Pigeon at pride? No.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Anyway, he did a new one that was the Little Mermaid but instead of being a human, she wants to be a cow. He was like, walk around on those, what do you call them? Oh yeah, hooves.

[Monet X Change]

Who is Vinnie? I don't know this person. Do I know. Are they like a popular social media person?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I mean they're pretty popular. They're like a. He's like, he's like a light skinned black guy who does these funny.

[Monet X Change]

Oh yeah, I know him. Yes, I've seen him before. I don't know him. I've seen him before

[Bob the Drag Queen]

walk around in those. What do you call them? Oh yeah, hooves. Well, this is it. Listen, hold on. This is so funny to me.

[Monet X Change]

What do you call them?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Oh, hooves. I don't know why that is.

[Monet X Change]

So you know, I was Patty and I was saying I was like going on, on TikTok the other day and I was like, it's like. And again I think it's great. More accessibility, more people like doing. They're delivering their dreams. But it's like social media people really be out here being like bonafide celebrities. Like they are doing interviews on late night TV shows. Like having a popular TikTok or popular Instagram that is now a. That is, that is currency as a Public as, like, as a, as a celebrity now that's like, that's so wild, kind of fierce. And I'm like, whoa, this is like so crazy. Social media has become this, like, this behemoth is crazy, right? Don't you think so?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Well, I think that makes sense. Like, like if I look up someone like, let's say watching these, let's say Dylan Mulvaney, right? Dylan Mulvaney is a certified slave at this point. And Dylan Mulvaney has 459.4 million likes on.

[Monet X Change]

Okay, I don't know that. I don't know that language. When you say someone has. I don't know if that. I'm guessing, obviously from context clues. It's a lot. But like, if you said that same thing and said he has. They have 3 million likes, I would be like, oh, I don't know that TikTok language of how many likes is a lot? It's a little.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Just for reference, you have 8.6 million likes, and you are a celebrity as well. And she has 4. 400 million, 450 million likes.

[Monet X Change]

Why are you trying. Why? Why See why you always have to use this time to shade me and come for me?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I'm not shading you slick.

[Monet X Change]

You think you funny talking about Monat. In comparison, you have five likes.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

First of all, let me tell you something about me and you, okay? When I shade you, I don't do it slick. I do it real.

[Monet X Change]

Y' all heard that, right? But I was like, compared to Dylan, like, okay, Monet, in comparison, someone like you, you have four likes. You don't see how that was shading me? You don't see how that was shady, bitch.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Well, you were saying. What does it mean? I'm putting it in reference to you, bitch. I'm using you. I mean, you understand your own life. Well, you have more likes than Beyonce. Beyonce has 5.3 million likes. How does that feel?

[Monet X Change]

I post like one tick tock a year. Don't come for me.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I. I've told you have more posts. Okay? You post more than once, you took a year. Is that like how your intestines reach a mile? Being hyperbolic? Beyonce has 5.3 million tick tock alikes and you have more than that. So, see, we all get to have different, different things. You have 3 million more likes than Beyonce.

[Monet X Change]

Oh, there he go. Do that face one more time. I'm, I'm, I'm. Come through this. I'mma snatch that damn face off of your head if you do this. Goddamn, look at me.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

But also the fact that Dylan Mo is able to get 10 million people to follow her on on Tik Tok means something. It's like, it's just, it's just a different avenue of attention. And I think what makes you a celebrity is essentially the amount of attention that you have. Right? The amount of people who are aware of you. The amount you have is what makes you a celebrity. Whereas I feel like back in the day it used to be, you know, the only way to get attention to eyes was to be on TV and be in movies and to be in radio and have, and to have that kind of stuff. But now you can, you can get, you can generate attention in different ways.

[Monet X Change]

Yeah. Plastique, fully plastique is out here. She has 11.6 million followers and 300, 300, 300 million likes. It's wild.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

See that, that is, that is a lot of social credit. 11. How many likes? She has how many likes?

[Monet X Change]

301 million likes and she has 11.6 million followers.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

That, yeah. That's huge. That is huge.

[Monet X Change]

That is crazy.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I, I, I, I feel like I somehow my Tick Tock is like my biggest social media and it's also my newest social media. So I don't even know how I ended up getting so many TikTok followers as opposed to Instagram when I've been on Instagram forever.

[Monet X Change]

Yeah, just more people.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

There's just more people on Instagram on TikTok. They're on Instagram probably.

[Monet X Change]

Yeah, I think so too. Also TikTok is just so weird. Like, who knows? Sometimes you don't. Someone who has had to really figure out their audience and every video they post blows up is Jackie Aina. Every video Jackie Aina posts is always huge. Every single one.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I don't know if that's true.

[Monet X Change]

It is true. Look it up.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Because also a lot of times if something doesn't work, you just take it down. Not saying that Jackie is like not popping off but, but also I feel like TikTok is very interesting with. It's like, like Jackie Aina, like she has a video here that has 150,000 views on it and another one here that has 130.

[Monet X Change]

But that's, but generally she does not getting less than three, three figure views.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I mean, but your views are also very similar, right?

[Monet X Change]

No.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Do you have anything with less than three? Do you have anything with less than three figure views?

[Monet X Change]

Yes. Look at my past. Yes, I do.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Oh well, you have some that are huge. Like 1.9 million, you know.

[Monet X Change]

Okay, Bob, this is so shady. You're like, you see. Cause you have some that do huge, too. You have like one that has 1.9.

[Jacob]

And

[Monet X Change]

you are being said purposely, very shady to me on this day.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I'm not being shady. You told me to look at your fucking views.

[Monet X Change]

I did not say look at my views. I did not. I never asked for this.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I said, all yours, Big two. You said, look at them, then I'm looking at them. But also, you have one that has 1.9 million views, one that has 124,000. You have another one here with 292,000. You have another with 1 million. You have one with 3. 97. 3. 91. 1.7 million. 3,415,000. So, like, I think it just all is a. It's a numbers game. You know what I mean? You could also just delete all the ones that don't have a lot of views, and it would look like you have massive views, too.

[Monet X Change]

Yeah. I tell you, we talk about this. I like to be real for my. For my audience. I don't like to be fake. I like to be real.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

You do not like to be real. Shut your fake line. I know the real you want to. I'm not going to let you get on it. You can.

[Monet X Change]

You can.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

You can lie when you're by yourself. Lie when you're. Al. You not gonna lie with me. Lie when you by yourself, baby.

[Monet X Change]

So my latest TikTok. So this. This happens to me not all the time, but like, it's like a. At least like four or five times a year, right? So I'm like this. This interaction. So I'm at Starbucks in Madison, Wisconsin, the one that's right below that hotel that you stay at when you do a comedy on stage. So we're at the Starbucks and I'm in line, and then there's a gay at the counter, like, about to pick up their beverage. And then, you know, you see at the corner of your eye, they're like. And he's slapping his friend. He's like, that's Monet. Like, that's Monet. And I can see that. And I'm like, okay, I see them, I see them. So then they walk over. He just goes, by the way, I'm a huge fan. I love you so much. Please, please bring the exchange rate back. I'm like, thank you, thank you, thank you. I love this show. Happy Pride, whatever it is, right? And then the person who's working sees this interaction, and he's also a fag. And then so. And he sees interactions. So he, like, knows, like, I'm someone popular for gay folk, whatever. And then. So then he. So I get to the counter, and I'm doing my order. I'm like, hey, can I have him a venti black iced tea with a splash of lemonade, unsweetened, no water, light ice? He's like, yeah, yeah, yeah. He goes, I know you. I'm like, you do? He's like, yeah. He was like, are you Bob the drag Queen? I was like, I'm not. And he was like, no. Really? Are you Bob the drag queen? I was like, I'm not. And it's like that awkward. Like, four seconds of silence. He's like, okay, well, have a good day. Thank you. Like, should I correct them or do you. I don't ever correct them.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I don't know why that's a little bit interesting. The other day, I was at. I went to go see something like It Hot on Broadway, and one of the cast members was telling me. She was like, I was just listening to the episode where you and Monet, where someone asked Monet if she was Monet X Change. And she said, I get that all the time. But the funny thing is, I was like, you don't realize we were literally in this exact same spot because something like It Hot is in the same theater that hello Dolly was in. And I was like, the irony of that is I was standing where we're standing right now when that happened. So to be fair, people have asked you if you were you, and you lied. You know, I don't think that you should. That you didn't. Like, people ask me if I'm. I get asked if I'm Titus Burgess a lot. And, I mean, at the airport, they will always go, are you sure? Just the other day, I was talking to someone. You said, I was talking to someone from Madonna's team. They were talking about Madonna's music videos, and they were like, weren't you in God Control? And I was like, I was not. And they said, are you sure? And I said, I'm positive

[Jacob]

that I

[Bob the Drag Queen]

was not in the music video God Control. And then someone else, like, that was Monet X Change. And they were like, no. And I was like, yeah. And then they were like. But then they tried to save as. They were like, but there was some other drag queen there. And I'm not even kidding. They were like, There was some queen who was bald and black and showed up looking a mess.

[Monet X Change]

Well, the guy. The irony was, I was wearing what they gave me. Bitch I didn't bring my clothes. They styled the fucking thing.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

They were, like, showed up looking a mess, and I was like.

[Monet X Change]

I was like, what they gave me.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Did you feel like you were looking at masks? No.

[Monet X Change]

I mean, there were, like, these gold Lemay, like, harem pant jumpsuits, and they weren't.

[Jacob]

Maybe there was another drag queen.

[Monet X Change]

There was. It was myself, Carmen Carrera, and someone else.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

But was anyone black and bald besides you?

[Monet X Change]

No, I was the only black, bald one. I mean. I mean. I mean, again, in the RuPaul's Drag Race Girls, there were, like. It was a cast of a whole bunch of other people. So I don't know who were drag queens, who was what. So maybe there's someone that's black and ball there. But I was styled by what they, like, literally. I landed on set, went to the trailer like, hey, we like to try these on. Okay, we'll go with this one. They wanted me to do, you know, I hate, like, a frosted lip. They're like, can you do, like, a gold frosted lip? I was like, okay. And then I had on, like, these, like, feathers I wanted to put in my head. So I literally wore what they told me to wear. So tell this fucking bitch that I look a mess, bitch. It was your motherfucking team that had me looking a mess, bitch.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Well, I will tell. It was a stylist who said that, so I will let the stylist know that it was all on them. It's kind of like when Drag Race gives the girls outfits for the challenges and then reads them down for it. We'll talk about that when we get back.

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[Bob the Drag Queen]

Monet. What did you do for Pride, by the way? For.

[Monet X Change]

I mean, which one? The first two weeks of the month was hell for me, and literally, I came back from Australia. Not Hell, but it was just really busy. Patty and I, we did 10 prides in 12 days, and we had, like, a thing on the two off days, I was in D.C. pride, Kansas. Sorry, Capital City Pride, Kansas City Pride, Toronto Pride. I have to go on my calendar. Look, a button. And all the Prides. I always have fun at Prides. That's the thing though, like. Cause you know a lot of when you do Pride gigs and they're back to back, you have like a late night, you're done at like one o' clock in the morning. By the time you get to bed, it's not till 3 o' clock and you have to catch typically the first flight out the next city because it's normally like a smaller city. Like to get to Kansas City, you had to do a connecting flight, so you have to get on an early flight. So you make your connection so you get to Kansas City on time. So you oftentimes end up like doing like really early flights and late nights and then. But like, once you, like once. Once it's for me, once I start putting my makeup on and I activate, like, I'm in a good mood. Like, I'm happy. I go to the festival, I'm having a good time. But it's just that morning when you are waking up, you're like, ugh, it's so early. I'm tired. I just wanna sleep. But Pride's always fun. Capital City Pride was especially a lot of fun. And Kansas City Pride.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Capital Pride.

[Monet X Change]

You did my first party.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

You did what?

[Monet X Change]

I DJed my first DJ set.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Oh, how was that?

[Monet X Change]

It was amazing. I fucking love DJing. DJing is a lot of fun. It's a lot of work, though. People don't realize DJing is a lot of work because I'm not a press play dj. I'm literally up there mixing the songs. I took like eight DJ lessons, which were very expensive, and I really learned how to dj and I had a lot of fun, like creating my own list. And I'm doing it again for Tacoma Pride on July 8th. So I'm having fun DJing. I really am.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I've DJed before and DJing can sometimes be very stressful for me because people want. People try to talk to me and I'm like, bitch, I'm DJing. And like, if I don't play the next song, then like, the song doesn't play and you're trying to get a picture and I'm like trying to find the next song and like switch and like change the tempo of the music and stuff, you know. I actually learned how to DJ from

[Monet X Change]

DJ Mitch Farino, actually Mitchell James Farino.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Cause me And Mitch used to dj. Sometime between sets, Mitch and I would DJ together at the Monster. We would go back and forth on our song. Maybe you and I should do a dueling DJ gig.

[Monet X Change]

I'll be down to do that. I'll be down to do. I would love to do that. So I don't want to say it out loud because it's not gonna happen, but there's a queen, a good friend of ours. They want to do this, like, iconic DJ night with queens. I think it'd be really dope. Like a festival, like from like fucking noon until like 2:00am Different DJ Queens. Like, you have your hour and a half or whatever it is, you're set and you, like, we DJ through the night. I think that could be a really dope warehouse party in la.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

So I went to Solid Pink Disco.

[Monet X Change]

How was that?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

It was. It was a lot of fun. Trix is a pretty good DJ. She's really DJing for real. I actually have this really fun video on my phone.

[Monet X Change]

What kind of music is it? Disco.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

It started off with disco, but then it kind of became like. It started with like, just, just, just disco. And then it ended up becoming like pop and current stuff and. And, you know, bitch tracks. And it morphed into a lot of different things over time.

[Monet X Change]

Got it.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

But I have this great video that I want to send to you and Jacob right now so that Jay can put it in the. Put in a thing. It is of Trixie DJing, but because she was DJing in front of the Brooklyn Bridge and there's a spotlight on her.

[Monet X Change]

I saw that she posted on Instagram.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Oh, did I? Did I Someone else? Probably. I mean, a lot of people probably took this video. It is just. This is a video I took myself of Trixie DJing, but it's just like her big wig and her dancing around on the Brooklyn Bridge.

[Monet X Change]

It looks like. It looks like. It looks like the bat signal.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Yeah, it was low key. Iconic.

[Monet X Change]

That's fierce. Yeah. I saw on Instagram, I was like, it was.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

It was Trixie, Amanda, Leor and Big Frida.

[Monet X Change]

That's so cool. Yeah, this video is wild. That Trixie's big ass wig flopping around in Brooklyn.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

That is everything.

[Monet X Change]

It has 190,000 likes. That is crazy. That's wild. Wait, where did she post it on Instagram?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Is that my video that she posted? Probably everyone was taking the video because it was so. It was so cool to see this, like, moment. You know what I mean? Yeah, it was. It was. It was fun. It was. It Was really fun to watch Trixie dj. And I mean, I like the way she set it up. She's on stage DJing. I was DJing, like, in. In. In the crowd, like, too. Way too close to people. Way too close to people.

[Monet X Change]

Oh, mine is on straight. Mine is on stage as well.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

That's probably a lot smarter than what I was doing.

[Monet X Change]

It's fun.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

What are you doing?

[Monet X Change]

I was just posting it to my story because that is such a cool video. She just like. And then you see the thing of her in the. Oh, my God. Wait, so if we were to do a doing DJ set, I feel like we had two different vibes.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Okay. I mean, what kind of DJing are you trying to do?

[Monet X Change]

Like, my.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

What are you playing?

[Monet X Change]

Mine is, like, house funky and, like, pop.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Okay. I play a lot of mashups. I like the mashmusic up and. And I do a lot of. I do a lot of, like, you know, underground queer artists, but also, like, Doja Cat and. And Nikki, you know? I mean, I like to find fun mashups online and. And play them. Like, I was. I was really enjoying doing, like, Wap X Agatha all along.

[Monet X Change]

That's the Ocean Kelly mix, right?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

No, no, it's like. It's just. I don't know who I. It's like I have to go back and look at it again. But I DJed Spotify's Halloween party, and that was. That was like. That was. I was fighting, like, different, you know, Halloween music and stuff.

[Monet X Change]

Right. But it's like, me is a stunty queen. You don't really go, fucking want me queen. I'm a queen of the motherfucking bitch track.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Should I go up to dj? Do you play my music at. Do you play my music?

[Monet X Change]

I did play Bitch Like Me.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Do you?

[Monet X Change]

I don't know why I did.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I mean, why has no one ever tagged. Why has no one ever tagged me in it?

[Monet X Change]

Because I only had one DJ gig.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Hmm. It just seemed like someone would have tagged me in it.

[Monet X Change]

Well, that's. That's. That's. That speaks to your fans, not mine.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I play Soak It Up.

[Monet X Change]

Okay. And I played your song.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I mean, everyone leaves the dance floor and people stop dancing. But I still play it.

[Monet X Change]

I mean, it only has 4 likes on TikTok, so I guess that makes sense. Does it?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Monet, you're very popular. Jesus Christ. Your TikTok is great. Everyone, please go follow Monet on TikTok, please. Even though she only posts once a year, so she can shut up about it. Geez, Louise. Ooh.

[Monet X Change]

Have you. I don't know if you'll be able to go, though. And I saw it, and I wanted to honestly surprise you for your birthday. And as I. And I remember when I went to go do the thing, I was like, oh, I'm not gonna do this. Cause he probably can't go. And now that I know you probably can't go, I'm gonna tell you right now out loud. You ready?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Okay.

[Monet X Change]

I'm gonna hit up Kennedy to find out what works. But Doja Cat is going on tour, so I was gonna buy you tickets to go, but she's on tour while you're on the road, so you just know what? You can make it happen.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Yes. She's with Dochi and

[Jacob]

Ice Spice.

[Monet X Change]

Ice Spice.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Ice Spice.

[Monet X Change]

Yeah.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

That would be really cool. I would love to go see Doja Cat on tour.

[Monet X Change]

You can.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

You know, it is what it is. I mean, we don't do shows every day of the week, you know?

[Monet X Change]

I mean, well, if you. If you find one, I will. I will.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

You know what?

[Monet X Change]

No, bitch, I have to pay for them. I have to pay you for them. Lizzo. Tickets. Buy your own motherfucking tickets, bitch.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Okay, first of all, you just said it was for my birthday.

[Monet X Change]

Let me know a date that works, and I'll. Let me know a date that works, and I'll get us tickets.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

You know what? Based on your attitude, I don't know that I want to hang out. Based on your nasty, nasty attitude, I don't know that I want to hang out with you. From my friend.

[Monet X Change]

Okay, okay, okay, okay. Speaking of Doja Cat, this. I saw this. Have you seen what Azealia Banks had to say about Doja Cat?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

What is she saying about Doja Cat?

[Monet X Change]

Let me read it to you.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

What is she saying?

[Monet X Change]

They call me now. I'm the one with the back.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Is she mad at her, too? Why is she always mad at, like, all the other black women in rap?

[Monet X Change]

Here she goes. I really want to be. I really wanted to, like, do music, but it's all just so. Try hard. Her first album was actually cool as hell. It was her own authentic art voice. Doja doesn't have the theater training slash authentic hunger needed to sing seamlessly, be the master of the genre she's trying to be. She sounds like a white girl that grew up in a house, lol. It's not giving that pissy stairwell, bacon, egg and cheese, vanilla, dutch, New York City energy she's reaching for. It's also def. It's also deficalie. Thing. California rap culture is simply just not as dynamic slash impactful, swagged out as east coast southern rap culture shit. It's like purposely inoffensive and caters to Paper Shoe Tom and Matted Hair Abigail. Ugh. Doja Lamar is not the artistic statement she wants it to be. Like, her approach to trying to conceptualize an authentic rap record is giving Angel Hayes, New York City wannabe levels of boring rippity rap cheesy Soho white boy hypebeast circa 2006. Like, she's giving me those weird FKA twigs, biracial girl identity crisis vibes. Then like the obvious ugly worldwide swagger jacking is just a big ball of New York City wannabe LOL sis. These rap niggas are dick riders and are def. Gonna gas you like you ate it, But I'm telling you with love, this is dumb. Corny.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

How many characters did she get on Twitter?

[Monet X Change]

No, it says on Instagram. She's an Instagram story.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Oh, I was like, bitch, is that a no?

[Monet X Change]

Well, you know, nowadays with Twitter, whatever it is, you can post as long as you want. It just like shows more. You don't have to stick to 140 characters anymore.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Really? How do you do that?

[Monet X Change]

If you're on Twitter blue or one of those Twitter things you can buy, you can post as long as you want.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Oh, interesting. You know, I just noticed that Azealia Banks doesn't like a lot of women in music. It's black women specifically. I don't know what her problem is. Like Lizzo and Doja Cat and Nicki Minaj and Cardi B. She just doesn't seem to like them. Have you noticed this?

[Monet X Change]

Well, I mean, yeah, I have noticed it and I just think that, like, I think that Doja Cat has created a space in rap that is authentically herself in her old album. Now in this new album, she said she's going to more of like a. A grittier rap, like a. A different type of rap. But it just. We're only one song in. How can you judge her entire new project when she only has one single out?

[Jacob]

What did you think of her new song?

[Monet X Change]

I like attention.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Yeah, I mean, I. I'm a big Doja Cat fan in general, but I've also noticed that Aelia bank just like, for some reason, just every time, it seems like oftentimes when other black women are getting ahead in the career, she gives them a compliment, but then she says something shady about them too.

[Monet X Change]

She said something about Lizzo.

[Jacob]

Yeah.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

When it came To Cardi B, she was like, cardi B is an industry plant. Bodak Yellow is one of the best female rap records. But then she's like, but Cardi B is also an industry plant.

[Monet X Change]

When people say that, what do they mean? Like they all like the industry. All their streams are bought. Like the industry is pushing them. Is that what the sentiment is?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I don't know. I don't know. I can't speak to what she means. I don't know what she means by that because I don't share that sentiment. You know what I mean?

[Monet X Change]

The term industrial plant means any fixed equipment or facility which is used.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

No, an industry plant, not an industrial plant.

[Monet X Change]

I know what I'm saying. I don't know. Well, okay. Industry plan.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

No, it doesn't mean. I think they were saying the record label put her there.

[Monet X Change]

Yeah, it's an artist who has major indie label backing their movement but presents themselves as a homegrown startup labeled to create a pseudo organic following. They act as if things are miraculously happening for them based on their talent. The reality is low risk, high reward situation for labels looking to build the next new star. Oh my go. Urban Dictionary says Justin Bieber is an industry plant. Damn.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Like, like, like what she said about this is what she said about Lizo. Lmao. The fact that the public and the media keep just has been keeping this fat girl joke going for so long as honestly speak. Well, well maybe this her defending Lizzo. Actually it's not. I don't even. Oh no. She called her a millennial mammy.

[Monet X Change]

Right? That's. I remember. I do remember that. I remember that

[Bob the Drag Queen]

big. I'm sorry that we didn't give Jasmine Sullivan all of this attention. Lol. She was a talented big girl because she wasn't making a fool of herself. Duh. Another parallel is Adele fat? Adele gets to be fat white do a bootleg Mahalia Jack Mahalia Jackson impersonation to take over. But Lizzo gotta jump around, act stupid to get half the attention while she has more talent than white Adele. Lmfao. I can't stand Adele. White ass white people really reward her for being fat because I really don't think she can sing Jessie J eating Adele's fun done any any day but Adele plays the fat white girl pity up so hard after this they better eat. They better let Lizzo be a big star without having to do all the extra shit because this is legitimately talented. Sans the Bruno Mars throwaway tracks.

[Monet X Change]

Where is Bruno Mars? Bruno Mars really just disappeared, huh?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I think Bruno Mars is probably doing well for himself.

[Monet X Change]

I'm saying, like, I mean, there was a couple years Bruno Mars had hit after hit after hit. Bruno Mars was always occupying, like, the radio waves. Now, I haven't heard Bruno Mars record,

[Bob the Drag Queen]

but a lot of artists take breaks from, like. I don't think every artist wants to be like, hit, hit, hit, hit, hit, record, record, record, record, record, album, album, album, album, album. You know what I mean?

[Monet X Change]

Oh, this is not a drill, y'.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

All.

[Monet X Change]

Victoria Monet announced Jaguar motherfucking 2. Jaguar 2 is coming. I think Victoria Monet is about to take.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Wait, wait, what's that?

[Monet X Change]

Her second album.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Oh, Janelle Monae.

[Monet X Change]

No, no, no, no, no. Victoria Monae.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Who's that?

[Monet X Change]

She's a. She's an R and B singer.

[Jacob]

She.

[Monet X Change]

She.

[Shannon Maldonado]

Her.

[Monet X Change]

Her first album, Jaguar is one of my favorites. But fucking ass like that. The way that she's so clever with her wordplay. She was a big writer first. Like, she wrote a lot for Ariana Grande. She did, like, a lot of really good writing. And she's such a dope ass artist. Her husband is so beautiful. Her baby is so cute. Like, I fucking love Victoria Monet. I'm obsessed with her.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I was talking to a friend recently about black people in music and successful black people and the idea that black people have to overly sexualize themselves to get success. And I was wondering your thoughts on that.

[Monet X Change]

I'm trying to think.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

They were saying, like, why do black people have to have, like, nicknames? Like, why can't they use their real names and, like. And, like, just sing music as opposed to, like, getting in leotards and doing all this stuff?

[Monet X Change]

Like, is. Is that a thing? I mean, I think. I mean, I've never thought, like, Lizzo's

[Bob the Drag Queen]

name is not Lizzo. Obviously. Her name is, you know, Melissa, but her name is Lizzo on the Internet. And they were like, why does. Why do black people have to

[Wayfair Announcer]

over

[Bob the Drag Queen]

sexualize themselves to make music? And I'm wondering if.

[Monet X Change]

I mean, Lady Gaga. That's not a real name.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Say again?

[Monet X Change]

Lady Gaga.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Yeah, that. Lady Gaga's name is not Lady Gaga. And Madonna's name is Madonna, is it? That is Madonna's name.

[Monet X Change]

Dua Lipa. Madonna is not. That's not her name.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

What is.

[Monet X Change]

Her name is Dula Peep.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

What is Dua's name?

[Monet X Change]

I don't know.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Dua Lipa's name is. Drum roll, please. Her name is Dua.

[Monet X Change]

Is it?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Her name is. Her name is Dua Lipa.

[Monet X Change]

I mean, I have not done the research I don't know. How do you. Is. I mean, is that.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

You were like Madonna. I was like, her name's Madonna. Dua Lipa. Her name's Dua Lipa. But what do you think about that, though?

[Monet X Change]

I'm trying to think. I don't know if that's true. I mean, I'm looking at the list. It says the ones that you probably know already, because this. See, maybe there's some I can't think about. Like, and, like Lady Gaga. Miley Cyrus. That's not her name.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

What's her name?

[Monet X Change]

Destiny. Destiny Hope.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Miley Cyrus name is Destiny.

[Monet X Change]

Destiny Hope.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Miley Cyrus's name is Destiny.

[Monet X Change]

Destiny Hope.

[Jacob]

You didn't know this?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

No.

[Jacob]

Yeah, girl.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

My Destiny.

[Jacob]

Destiny Hope.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

She's really Destiny. Destiny's Child. No, her name is Miley Cyrus, bitch.

[Monet X Change]

Shut the up, you stupid bitch. Eminem. Marshall. Under that.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Her name is Molly Ray Cyrus. But her original. Her original stage name was Destiny Hope.

[Jacob]

No. Miley Ray Cyrus. Born Destiny Hope Cyrus.

[Monet X Change]

Yes, Eminem. We know Marshall Myers.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

But she changed her name to Miley Cyrus.

[Monet X Change]

Yeah, she changed it, but her name is Destiny Pink. Guess what. Guess what Pink's name is.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Abigail.

[Monet X Change]

Alicia. Alicia Moore.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Alicia Moore.

[Monet X Change]

Lana Del Rey. Girl. Elizabeth Woolridge Grant. Fergie is Stacey Ann Ferguson. Katy Perry. Katherine Hudson Hudson.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Well, quiz me some of them. I know.

[Monet X Change]

Okay, Lil John.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I knew the last two now. Haven't fucked up.

[Monet X Change]

Lil Jon.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

His name is probably like John Waldron III or something.

[Monet X Change]

Jonathan Smith.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Jonathan Smith. Yeah.

[Monet X Change]

Michelle Williams from Destiny's Child.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Her name's not Michelle Williams.

[Monet X Change]

Michelle is her middle name.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

What's her first name?

[Monet X Change]

Tanitra.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Tanitra.

[Monet X Change]

Yeah.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Yeah, Kelly Tanitra and Beyonce.

[Monet X Change]

No, Kelly's not. That's not her first name.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

What's her name?

[Monet X Change]

Calandria.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Calandria Tanitra and Beyonce. I don't know anyone's. I don't know. I don't know anything anymore. I mean, my name's not Bob.

[Monet X Change]

I know, bitch, look at you. You know, fun fact. Fun fact, my birth name was Monet and then I changed it to Kevin. That's why I went back to Monet when I went into Dragon.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I mean, my legal name is Christopher Delmark Caldwell, but all my friends call me Bob, though.

[Monet X Change]

Your favorite. Your favorite artist, the one that you almost got kicked off a drag race for. Lorde.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Her name is not Lorde.

[Monet X Change]

No. Ella Yelich o'. Connor.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

So. But back to the subject at hand. I wanna know what your thoughts on, like, this idea that, like, black people have to, like, Hypersexualize themselves. But I'm also wondering, too, like, if that's how Lizzo wants to present herself, and that's what, like, is Lizzo do. Like, what if Lizzo just likes to use her body to normalize fat bodies?

[Monet X Change]

But also, I don't think it's limited to. I think it's just an artist thing, not necessarily a black or white thing. I think that all artists do. Like, you see, like. I mean, someone like Gaga, who was super camp and sexual in her first couple albums, you see someone like Miley Cyrus that literally turned to twerking and whatever to, like, that was, like, a big thing. Like Madonna, literally.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Someone like Taylor Swift. Taylor Swift uses her real name, and she doesn't. Taylor Swift is not sexual. She's barely sexual at all in her work.

[Monet X Change]

I mean, you have people like that, too. You have, like, Jasmine Sullivan, who's barely. She uses her name, and she's not sexual either. So I think it's more of like a.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

But I think what my friend was saying was that they're not at the level of, like, a Taylor Swift. Mm. I mean, but Beyonce is using her real name. Her name is Beyonce. And I don't personally find Beyonce's work hyper sexual. I think Beyonce is.

[Monet X Change]

I don't think so either. And I think it's also.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I mean, she is butt. She is basically butt naked on a horse.

[Monet X Change]

But it also thinks, like, it's also like, the content of their music, right? Like, Taylor Swift is singing, like, the boy next door and he broke my heart, where Beyonce is like, driver, roll at the partition, please. Ooh, I'm crazy in love. So I think it's just the nature of their music.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Do you think there's any. That that critique has any validity that

[Monet X Change]

black artists have to change their names and sexualize themselves to be popular, to

[Bob the Drag Queen]

be, like, super super. But also. But then I'm thinking about what you're saying, which is, like, a lot of the artists who are at the very, very top, with the exception of Adele and Taylor Swift, are either using some sort of a moniker that's not their real name or their legal name and present in a very, like, Lady Gaga, Madonna, Nicki Minaj, Beyonce, Lizzo, Miley Cyrus. A lot of the women specifically in media do have hyper. What maybe people might consider hypersexual things. And they're using, you know, interesting names

[Monet X Change]

and, like, dudes just get to fucking. I mean, you have someone like Usher, right? Usher is. I want to go see Usher's Vegas show. Usher's Vegas show is so hot. It looks hot.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Well, okay, let's talk about Mariah Carey.

[Monet X Change]

Mariah Carey. Yeah, there we go. Whitney Houston.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

But maybe, but I think my friend was talking more about like today, like nowadays. You know what I mean? Like I would say, I would say that. I would say that. So we're looking at these, these artists. Scroll back a little bit, Jacob. I would say of these artists up here, Rihanna does have a, what people might consider a very sexual thing. And Rihanna is part of her name. It's not her first name, but it is part of her name.

[Monet X Change]

Yeah, right, yeah.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

And then you have Whitney Houston, who I would say is not. Doesn't have a hypersexual presence on her in her music.

[Monet X Change]

Not even a little bit.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Mariah Carey also doesn't have a hypersexual present in her music. Celine Dion does not. Beyonce, I think people would consider. I would not consider hypersexual, but people would probably consider that. I think Britney Spears does and Taylor Swift does not. What do you think about that?

[Monet X Change]

Yeah, I would agree with that. I would agree with that assessment over those for sure.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

But. But I can see where they were. Like I can see kind of see what they were, where they were coming from. But also on the other hand, I'm like, I think what Lizzo's doing with her body is really remarkable and low key, like major, you know.

[Monet X Change]

Yeah, I agree. I fucking love Lizzo. I was going to that Lizzo concert. It was really great. And it's also the way that she interacts with her fans and like. Cause it's not just a concert about all the songs she's singing. Obviously that's the focal point. But she also is spreading, dropping truths and knowledge and really spreading a lot of self love throughout the concert. It's sprinkled throughout and little messages and little anecdotes and stuff that she's telling throughout the show. I think it's really great. I wouldn't say, I mean, I think that SZA has a sexual, sexual presence online. But going to her show and Kameka went with me, her show is not like hyper sexual. Like yes, she's dancing but she's not out here in a thong. She's not out here like in like a leotard. She actually showed her body, but it's not, she's not. Her show is not hypersexual. It's just like a sexy show, if that makes sense.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

But I also, but then the other hand, I'm like, but I think it's okay to be out Here in a thong. Like, I don't want to be a little bit problematic about the notion that that. That insinuates that what Lizzo is doing is in some way detrimental or bad, because I think that what Lizzo's doing is actually really impactful and powerful in normalizing fat bodies and how black women are perceived by the world. I'm not a black woman, obviously. You know what I mean? But I think that what Lizzo is doing is really fierce. And I feel like a lot of people probably feel seen by Lizzo's presence.

[Monet X Change]

Oh, 100%, I agree. But I feel seen by Lizzo's presence. And I'm. And I'm not. And I don't identify as a woman, so, yeah, absolutely.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

And I think that Lizzo showing her body in her body, being called sexy, where people can help someone who has a similar body also feel sexy.

[Monet X Change]

Like, I can genuinely say, like, 1,000%. Like, part of me being more comfortable with my body and showing and showing, like, and being a little scantily clad on the Internet, like, people and posting, as you would say, nude, is seeing, like, people like Lizzo show their bodies. And I'm like, I feel comfortable showing my body too. Like, I wasn't always like that. I think that's something that has come with age. Duh. But also by seeing people that I feel has similar bodies do the same thing, like, when I wasn't feeling as confident as I do today.

[Shannon Maldonado]

Yeah.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I think it is nice to see someone be praised for something that I would be afraid to do, you know?

[Monet X Change]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

If that makes any sense. I don't know if I articulated that properly, but if that makes any sense at all.

[Monet X Change]

It doesn't, but I got you.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

After leaving Lizzo's show, I remember feeling very inspired by her work. And, I mean, I don't know that calling her Millennial Mammy is so crazy is

[Monet X Change]

that she would even say, that is wild to me.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I mean, she came for you at one point too.

[Monet X Change]

Oh, yeah. We had a whole thing online. I don't know how. I don't know why I was the one that she was like, I'm gonna. She came for Shea as well.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Did you ever DM her and, like, talk about it?

[Monet X Change]

I did try to DM her back then. I don't remember anymore. Also, she's had, like, her Instagram got deactivated, so I don't know which. I can't even go back and see, did I. So I don't know.

[Jacob]

That's right.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I forgot her instagram did get deactivated. I forgot. I think that was when she was. When she was threatening to. Or she was talking about unaliving herself.

[Monet X Change]

Right?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Yeah, I think.

[Monet X Change]

Yeah.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Well, she's had a lot of really wild moments on the Internet, and I hope that she's getting the help that she needs or that maybe she doesn't need help. I hope that she's just, you know, happy with where she is right now. Why are you laughing? Why is that so funny?

[Monet X Change]

You know what? Maybe she doesn't need help. It's none of my business. I don't know.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Well, I was saying get the help she needs, but then again, we all need help. Everyone needs help. You know, there's no shame in that either.

[Monet X Change]

Ain't no shame in my game, honey. This is quintessential civil rivalry. We started talking about measuring dicks. We went to vulvas and vaginas. Then we started talking about music. Now we're talking about black bodies. Like, this is peak civil rivalry. If someone could define our podcast in one episode, this is it.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Well, I'm gonna give you one last loop. I went down to FKA Twigs.

[Jacob]

Rabbit Hole.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Rabbit Hole. Today. I, I, I don't know much about FKA or her Twigs, and I, I think I saw a picture of her for the first time today. I only. I only know one song by her, and it's because there was a. A TikTok parody of it with Miss Piggy singing it.

[Monet X Change]

When I do it for you.

[Jacob]

Cellophane.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Didn't I do it for you, Chris? And, you know, it's gonna be really wild, and people are gonna probably drag me, but it is what it is. I just wasn't aware of this. I didn't know she was black. I have never seen. I'd never seen a picture of this woman in my life.

[Monet X Change]

Oh, yeah.

[Jacob]

Mm.

[Monet X Change]

Yeah, she had. She. Obviously she's a big artist, but, like, she had, like, a lot of people found out about her a lot, too. Cause she had a very tumultuous relationship with Shia LaBeouf. That was like, you know, trigger warning.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

She dated Shia LaBeouf?

[Monet X Change]

Yeah, it was.

[Jacob]

Yeah, that. That song.

[Monet X Change]

It was like, an emotionally and, like, physically abusive relationship, and she had to get out of there.

[Ryan Reynolds]

It's like a whole.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Oh, yeah. That doesn't sound good.

[Monet X Change]

Yeah.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Who's the one who's dating, like, Elon

[Monet X Change]

Musk or was Grimes.

[Jacob]

That's Grimes.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Grimes.

[Monet X Change]

Grimes. Yeah. And they had the baby. Like a 11.42 Pythagorean theorem.

[Jacob]

Archangel.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Her name is Claire.

[Monet X Change]

The baby?

[Jacob]

Yeah, no, the baby is Ex Ash. Archangel, and then Grimes. Real name is Claire Boucher.

[Monet X Change]

That's not a real name. She made that up. Claire Boucher.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Well, that's what she's. You gonna give your baby, like, an interesting name?

[Monet X Change]

Staple.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Staple.

[Monet X Change]

So they'll always be a staple in your life. Do you know that story of that woman who named her son sir so people will always respect him? Yeah, I think that's kind of cool. But I like Staple.

[Jacob]

You mean Beyonce.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

You can. You can disrespect someone to call them

[Monet X Change]

sir, but I think the thought process, every time they say his name, like, you're kind of giving them respect. Like, sir, can you come here, please?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I feel like whenever someone calls a stranger ma' am and sir, it's like, ma', am, Ma', am, sir. Sir, ma'. Am. Excuse me, ma'. Am. Ma'. Am. How do you feel when people call you sir in public?

[Monet X Change]

Oh, yeah. Beyonce's kids are roomy and sir. See? Sir Carter. Sir Carter is fierce. That sounds like. I mean, I guess, whatever last name, but sir Carter is dope.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

How do you feel when people call you sir in public?

[Monet X Change]

I don't feel any ways. I guess I'm not at the age where I would feel like calling me sir will age me. So I don't have any feelings about people calling me sir in public. Do you feel what?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I don't have any really real feelings about he or she pronouns, anything. But something about sir just doesn't feel like who I am. You know what I mean? Sometimes I'm like, who you talking to?

[Monet X Change]

I mean, in drag. When I'm in drag and someone call me ma', am, I could see how women would be like, ooh, don't call me ma'. Am. Like, if I'm in dragging, someone called me ma', am, I'd be like, uh, not ma', am, miss. Maybe I would accept. But ma', am in drag, I would feel like, ugh.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Oof.

[Monet X Change]

Mm.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Mm.

[Monet X Change]

I don't think I would like that.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I don't really care for sir and ma' am for me and Jen. I don't care for them. They don't really bother me that much, if that makes any sense. Yeah, but sir does make it seem like you're calling me an old man. That's what sir feels like. It's like when someone says sir, what I'm hearing is you a old ass man.

[Monet X Change]

I play that with madam, but not sir. Sir. If you call me sir, I'm like, okay, whatever you call Me, ma'.

[Shannon Maldonado]

Am.

[Monet X Change]

I'm like, ooh, that feels like you're trying to call me old ass bitch.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Madam feels. Wait, Madam. Wait. How do you feel about madam?

[Monet X Change]

Madame.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Ma'.

[Monet X Change]

Am.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

How do you feel about that?

[Monet X Change]

I don't like madam. We never said madam.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I thought you said madam. You said ma'.

[Monet X Change]

Am. Ma'?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Am?

[Monet X Change]

Yeah. Ma'. Am.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Work. All right, well, what can I say to you to say goodbye? What can I say,

[Monet X Change]

Kevin?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I can't. I can't call you Kevin. It doesn't feel good.

[Monet X Change]

Yeah, I could have called you.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

If you really want me to start calling you Kevin. If you really want me to start calling you Kevin, I will try, but it just. It feels weird to me.

[Monet X Change]

Calling you Caldwell feels weird, too. That would be so weird. Caldwell.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Just call me. Just call me Bob, and I'll call you Mo.

[Monet X Change]

Sounds good.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

All right. Bye, Mo.

[Monet X Change]

Bye, Bob.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Wait, do other people call you Mo?

[Monet X Change]

Um, Patty calls me Mo. You know, Patty has a whole thing with his name.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Say again?

[Monet X Change]

Patty has a whole thing with his name. He doesn't like people who are not, like. Who are not his friends to call him Patty. But I'm just so used to calling him Patty. So we're like, at a gig, I'm like, you can just ask Patty for it. And then everyone's calling him Patty. And he gets. He's like, my name is Patrick. And he's like a whole. I'm like. But I'm just so used to calling him Patty, I just. I just don't. It just comes out of my mouth.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I started calling him Pat. Pat because that's what the house of. That's what the house of Juicy Couture was calling him on tour, and he said he liked it. So I started calling him Pat.

[Monet X Change]

What do you know, Patty? Give him two more months. Everybody call him Pat. They'd be like, my name is Patrick. It's not Pat. Give him two more months.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

All right, Bye, everybody.

[Monet X Change]

Bye.

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