The One About Wicked For Good

Summary

Sibling Rivalry – The One About Wicked For Good

Date: December 10, 2025
Hosts: Monét X Change & Bob The Drag Queen

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Episode Overview

Monét X Change and Bob The Drag Queen reunite for an intensely hilarious and freewheeling episode, diving deep into all things "Wicked For Good"—their spoiler-packed, musical-theater-fueled dissection of the two-part "Wicked" film series. Amid digressions about personal timelines, opera culture, gaming, and queer-coded superheroes, the power duo brings signature wit and heart to pop culture debate, with a generous dose of shade and personal stories. Topics covered range from the accurate recounting of their respective backstories to a fiery critique and praise for the "Wicked" movie adaptation and the queer legacies of Oz.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Clearing Up Their Timelines

[02:12–11:00]

• Background Deep Dive: Bob and Monét clarify their life timelines, correcting persistent fan and friend confusion about where and when they lived in New York, St. Lucia, Atlanta, and other cities.
  • Monét moves from Brooklyn to St. Lucia at 6 months, spends ten years there, a year in Atlanta, and then years in New York for school and work.
  • Bob’s timeline hops from Columbus, Georgia to Phoenix City, Alabama, then Mississippi, Atlanta, back to Columbus, and eventually New York City—with tangents to Minneapolis, Montana, and San Francisco.

"So for eight years, live in New York City... college is, like, really, like, nine months." – Monét [05:00]
"I think you have to be young. When I was younger, I picked up opera really quickly." – Monét [17:20]

• Reflection: Both note their histories involve lots of moves, unusual among Americans, with some friendly shade for Jacob and Kane, their production team, who are even more well-traveled.

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2. Comic Chaos: Relationships, Drag, and Double Entendres

[11:45–13:12]

• False Rumors: Monét addresses rumors about dating Jasmine Rice stemming from spending time together and hiding her drag from family, leading Bob to rib her about unspoken gossip.
• Technical Sidetracks: Audio jokes ensue about mic placement and the importance of obeying sound-engineer Jacob.
• Explicit Humor: The hosts discuss the logistics and preferences in double penetration, curvatures, and the anatomy of “good dick sucking.”

"My mic has been at the same place for eight years." – Bob [02:09]
"Have you ever double penetrated someone?" – Monét [12:08]
"You know I gotta talk to you real quick about the shape of my penis..." – Bob [12:12]

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3. Opera, Prodigies, and Musical Petty

[13:12–19:00]

• Opera Snobbery: Monét, an opera-trained singer, tries to lure Bob to see "Handel’s Messiah"—which Bob dismisses after past sleepy experiences at Monet's opera shows.
  • The two riff on opera tropes, favorite roles, and provocation between “savant” and “prodigy,” debating who is more of a drag or opera prodigy.

"Handel's Messiah is a very, very classic Christmas work in the oratorio space." – Monét [13:05]
"Are we savant? Savant rivalry. Sibling savannery." – Bob [17:40]

• Musical Critiques: Stories of obstructed views at BAM, bad opera seats, and “fun new operas” with nudity and gore in Vienna.

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4. Pop Culture: Gaming, TV, and Superhero Banter

[20:00–25:00]

• Software and Streaming Gripes: Both rant about the endless ads on allegedly ad-free platforms and compare media consumption habits.
• Gaming Geekery: The two swap stories about favorite games, Andre's (Andy's) gaming prowess, and propose streaming "Baldur’s Gate" together.
• Superheroes & Cosplay: The dialogue shifts to Nightwing, his legendary butt, Nightwing cosplay etiquette, and whether Nightwing is queer-coded.

"Is Nightwing queer coded?" – Monét [24:15]
"Nightwing’s got the, got that ass on him." – Bob [23:48]

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5. Wicked For Good: Full Movie (and Musical) Breakdown

[26:01–56:37]

a. Favorite Parts & Casting Criticism

• Bob and Monet saw “Wicked Part Two” together. Both prefer Part One but praise its acting and music overall.
• Casting Hot Takes:
  • Monét feels Michelle Yeoh was “miscast” as Madame Morrible and advocates for Sheryl Lee Ralph.
  • “Sheryl Ralph would have been an amazing Madame Morrible.” – Monét [26:39]

b. Is Glinda the Real Villain?

• Bob launches a ruthless takedown of Glinda as the true villain:
  • Glinda, empowered as head of state, does nothing to correct the lies about Elphaba or end animal oppression.
  • “She does nothing. How does she atone for the sins...What policies is she putting into play to make sure the animals...what happens to the animals never happens again?” – Bob [30:56]
• Bob likens Glinda to a centrist Republican, more concerned about image and power than true emancipation.

c. Plot Holes & Loopholes

• Confusion about power: Elphaba isn’t the sole magical person—Nessa and Morrible also have powers, raising questions for Monét.
• Discussion over the “Grimmery” (book of spells): Is it the book or the bloodline that confers power?
• Nessa gets called out as both oppressed and ultimately villainous or unsympathetic.

d. Oz Expanded Universe & Queerness

• Comparing the “Wicked,” “Wizard of Oz,” and “The Wiz” narratives, including dark and sometimes gruesome details from the Baum original.
• Oz as a queer-coded universe gets explicit commentary.
• “The Tin Man is a mass murderer. Horrible. He kills for fun.” – Bob [58:40]

e. Musical Standouts & Performance Reviews

• Massive praise for Cynthia Erivo and Ariana Grande:
  • “I think they have both cemented themselves as really, really phenomenal talent.” – Monét [33:24]
• “No Good Deed” cited as the best musical moment, eclipsing even “Defying Gravity” for both hosts.
  • Hot take: Bob thinks Eden Espinosa and Idina Menzel have the best “No Good Deed”s, but Cynthia Erivo’s film version may now top the list.
  • They nerd out over deep-cut Broadway trivia and lament the lack of Black Elphabas in Broadway history, noting the landmark first Black Elphaba only just occurred.

f. Notable/Controversial Moments

• Discussion of real-world allegories in Oz—anti-animal sentiment as a parable for marginalized groups, scapegoating, and authoritarian politics.
• Joking about plot devices, e.g., Glinda’s “mental gymnastics,” “fuck sweaters,” and the much-memed “No one mourns the wicked.”
• “The mental gymnastics is crazy.” – Bob [33:08]

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6. Personal Asides & Wrap-Up

[62:45–65:30]

• Oprah and family boundaries: The hosts discuss Oprah’s podcast on going “no contact” with family and share personal stories about estrangement, boundaries, and family drama.
• Monét and Bob reflect on whether reconciliation is possible, how they protect their peace during holidays, and how boundaries are non-negotiable.
  • “I would never tell my family to choose between me and them, but if they're there, I'm not coming.” – Bob [64:33]

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Memorable Quotes & Moments

• On opera, identity, and talent:
  • “I feel like I was an operatic savant when I was younger.” – Monét [17:17]
• On the politics of Oz:
  • “Glinda is...a centrist Republican. She is Marjorie Taylor Greene trying to come back to the good side...” – Bob [54:18]
• On queer culture and cosplay:
  • “Nightwing cosplay is about the butt.” – Bob [24:06]
• On Wicked's emotional impact:
  • “That moment when they're both at the door and they're both crying, I'm like, this feels so fucking real.” – Monét [43:01]

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Important Timestamps

• Clearing Up Timelines: [02:12–11:00]
• Drag Drama & Dating Rumors: [06:07–07:38]
• Opera & Prodigy Talk: [13:12–19:00]
• Superhero/Nightwing Segment: [23:36–25:00]
• Wicked Part Two Deep Dive Begins: [26:01]
• Glinda: Villain or Victim Debate: [27:00–33:00; 54:05–56:56]
• Black Elphabas & Broadway Diversity: [41:22–42:05]
• Animal Oppression in Oz (Allegory): [51:37–54:05]
• Musical Favorites (“No Good Deed”): [39:44–40:08]
• Wrap-Up & Family Boundaries: [62:45–65:30]

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Closing Tone

True to the essence of Sibling Rivalry, this episode brims with irreverent humor, deep pop culture knowledge, genuine vulnerability, and fierce debate—anchored by the hosts’ friendship and queer perspective. The “Wicked For Good” episode not only feeds theater nerds hungry for receipts and hot takes, but also weaves in references to drag, chosen family, and the ever-morphing queer pop culture canon. Whether you’re an Oz obsessive or just here for the reads, Bob and Monét provide both laughs and food for thought.

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“Thank you for coming to my show. Bye, everyone.” – Bob [65:24]

Transcript

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It's like, I can't stop. I'm addicted. Start your free [e-mail]. my name is Bob the Drag Queen,

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and I'm Monet x Change.

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And this is simply rivalry. On this week's episode, we clear up the Bob the Drag Queen and Monet exchange timelines.

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We talk about wicked for good. For good.

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And we find out what made Monet say this. I don't even believe that you're really

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annoyed by this girl. I think that you're pretending you're playing to that you're annoyed. And we find out what made Bob say this.

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The.

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The mental gymnastics is crazy. Let's keep her time.

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What?

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Can you move your mic a little

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bit closer, please, Tom? What? You.

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You.

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What's the.

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Jacob always has the same. Do you or do you have a. Do you not like. Like phallic things in front of your mouth?

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What does that even good.

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Jacob always has to tell you every episode. Jacob's like, paul, can you please. When the microphone.

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Have been holding my microphone for the eight years I've been podcasting.

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I know, bro. So I see. So all of a sudden, lately is

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like, all of that is too far away.

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I have been.

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My mic has been at the same

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place for eight years. So Jacob's a sound engineer, so he's telling you what to do.

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Let's clip your timeline.

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Let's clear up. Clean up or clear up Clara. Okay, yeah. Say like that.

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So the other day, Monet said that she didn't live in New York at all. In the 90s, we were at a party and you were like, actually, I never Lived in New York in the 90s.

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What party?

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I don't remember. Oh, yeah.

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What part?

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What were we talking about, Doc?

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Where were we?

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I don't know.

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I literally don't remember. Well, okay, we have to remember this as well. We're getting old. The last time I saw you, I didn't see you for Thanksgiving. No, I saw you right before Thanksgiving. Kim's. Kim's. But that. We were talking about the 90s there.

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I don't remember where it was. Someone asked where you grew up. Someone from New York. Someone from New York was like, we're losing it. And I was like, well, Monet's in there. I was like, monat's from New York. Someone was like, oh, New York in the 90s.

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I remember where it was. Where?

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It was yesterday. Yeah, was yesterday. Monat. So you Were born in 1990?

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I was born in 1990.

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In Brooklyn.

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In Brooklyn.

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And then you immediately moved to I.

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At six months old.

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At six months. And you lived in St. Lucia until the age of 10? 10. So this is now the year two? Yeah.

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Yes. Until. Until I was 10.

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And then when does Atlanta come into play?

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I went straight from St. Lucia. I think the year 2000.

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So in the year 2000, you lived in Atlanta for one year?

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For one year.

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And then in 2001, you have finally moved to New York.

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Yeah. Back. Well, from. I was born. Yes. So I lived.

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And then how long were you in Brooklyn before you went to New Jersey for school?

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From fifth grade until twelfth grades. One of those.

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That's six years.

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Seven years. Six years.

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Seven years.

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Six, five, six, seven, eight. Twelve is nine to ten, eleven, twelve. So nine years.

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No, six to twelve. Five to twelve.

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No, fifth grade.

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Oh, fifth grade is what? Fifth grade. Sixth grade, seventh grade, eighth grade, ninth grade, eleventh grade. Twelveth grade.

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Three years in ten.

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Fifth grade, seventh grade, eighth grade,' ninth grade, tenth grade, eleventh grade. Twelfth grade. That is eighth, eight years.

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And then I moved to thing in so and so.

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Wait, so. So eight years you lived in New York? New York City? Yes. Nine, fifth, eight, fifth grade. Fifth, sixth, sixth, seventh, eighth, ninth, 10th, 11th, 12. Right. That's eight years.

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And then on my ninth year, I went to New Jersey.

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So eight years in New York City?

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Yeah.

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How long were you. So what year is it now?

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2009. You know, you graduated high school 2008. 2008. I started in the fall. 2000. Yeah.

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So 2001. 2008. Which is seven years.

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But you. But, you know, Bobby, counting the gears to 2001-2002-2003-2004, 2005-2006-2007-2008. You count the year. So.

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Well, you were saying 10 years before. So just to clear it up. So for eight years, live in New York City. 2009. You are now living in New Jersey. How long?

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But that's just during the school year. And I'm back home in the summers and breaks. But college is a little less time. Because college is, like, really, like, nine months. It's not really. Because you do. You do. You do four months in the fall. Four months in this. In the spring. So you do. It's eight months.

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Okay. So.

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And on breaks. So I kind of counted both. I'm kind of living in Jersey and New York.

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And then you moved back to New York. For real? For real. When you moved back, she went back

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to being a man.

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She went back to being a man. When you lived in Brooklyn with Auntie.

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Yeah, but then Rose. Yes, but then I went to Portland.

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What year is it now?

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This is 20. This is like January. I mean, December 2012. So basically 2013. But you've got November, December, 2012, for six months now.

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How long are you in Portland for?

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Six, six, seven months.

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And this is when you filmed that Drag Race audition video where you wear the military look in Portland. Correct. I'm just trying to get the timeline right. Got it.

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Where you had the red wig and

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the two color contacts.

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It wasn't two. It's one.

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They're both blue. I thought you had one.

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No, no. This is why I forgot to wear lashes. That was what it was.

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And now you're back in New York. For real. For real. In what year?

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2013.

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So when am I meeting you?

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You met me 2012. You met me on a summer break.

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I met you on a summer break.

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Yeah.

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I didn't even realize you were gone.

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When Jasmine Rice and I were doing dating? Yeah, when we were fucking.

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I didn't say you were fucking. But you did tell. But you did let everyone believe that you were dating. That is true.

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Jasmine Rice is on. They talked very soon, and we cleared up without this bitch.

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You did let everyone believe you were dating. I didn't say you told them. But you didn't do anything to stop the rumors.

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Okay, but that's just. Cause y' all assume that.

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Because here's the last thing was you let us be. Here's what happened.

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Jazz and Rice and I would hang

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out all the time.

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We're together all the time. We still had a drag together, and

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everyone went to school together. Cause y' all were always together.

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No, we were in a summer program together.

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The summer program in Portland?

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No, in Manhattan, obviously. Obviously. So we would hang out all the time.

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We'll go.

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I was hiding my drag from my family at this point. So we would go home together. Cause I would go home.

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Oh, the old kimchi effect.

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The old kimchi. I would go up Jazz and Rice is. I would get dressed at her house in Harlem, come downtown with skedabble until the diner, like five o' clock in the morning. Then I would drive us up, back up to her apartment, which, by the way, you know, she couldn't afford ac or she didn't have ac, so. And this.

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She's broke. Yes, Brokey.

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This is the summer in New York, Bob. So we would paint coming to Saliva Tuesday. So whatever party. And the way that Jazz and Rice did her AC was she would freeze a gallon jug of water, then put it in front of a fan and let that blow the ac. And that was her AC in her apartment.

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I want to be clear. You can get an air conditioner for, like, 50 bucks in new York City.

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She couldn't afford it.

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Okay, so now you're in New York city, and from 2000.

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I'm waiting for six months.

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But once the Portland program, the Yip

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yap yap Young Artist program, once the

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YAP program ends, you are back in New York City until 2021.

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Until. Yeah, correct.

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I thought you grew up in New York city in the 90s.

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No, I grew up in the 2000s.

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Interesting.

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But also, I'm a kid, though. Like, do you know my timeline?

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Yes, I'm ready. So I can admit I did not have your timeline locked down at all.

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Well, I will say anything before high school, like, because you were living in, like, four different cities. You were in Fennec City, you were in Clayton county, you were in Atlanta, Georgia.

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I know.

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I know.

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Oh, my God. I know. We all know.

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So, and then you're also in Alabama. A few things in Alabama. You were also in Corinth, Mississippi.

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Corinth, Mississippi.

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So I. I don't.

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Columbus, Georgia.

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I don't know where those all. Columbus, Georgia was after you graduated high school.

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It was before and after.

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Why were you there before you graduated?

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I was born in Columbus, Georgia.

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So you went back there for college

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to be a man. I was born in Columbus, Georgia. I stayed there until third grade. So this is nine years now. I moved to Phoenix City, Alabama. Stayed there until fifth grade.

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So you're so in Phoenix City, Alabama, for all of third, fourth, and fifth.

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No, half of fifth. I moved to Corinth, Mississippi, for half a school year.

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In fifth grade.

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In fifth grade, back to Phoenix City, Alabama.

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Back to Phoenix City.

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And then seventh grade to Atlanta, Georgia.

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Seventh grade you went to. So now this is Atlanta, Georgia, for the first time.

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First time ever. I've never lived in Atlanta.

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In seventh grade was your first time in Atlanta, Georgia?

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Yes.

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Got it. Okay.

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And then 7th grade until 12th grade is Atlanta.

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Atlanta. Then you go to Columbus for college.

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Back to Columbus for college.

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Back to be a man.

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Back to be a man. And then New York city for. Until 2020. With a few breaks here and there. Well, oh, I missed out when I lived in Minneapolis, Minnesota.

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Right. So I'm about to say, when was the Missoula Children's Theater?

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Well, Minneapolis is not Missoula. That's Climb.

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The. So what was Climb Theater?

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Climb Theater is in the Twin Cities.

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Okay, I knew. Yeah. But I'm saying, what year is it?

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2004. No, 2005. 2006.

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College years. So that would be your 2006. That would have been your junior.

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My junior. My second year. My sophomore year of college.

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Sophomore. Sophomore year of college, yes. And then. So after you do that, then you go to.

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Immediately to Missoula, Montana, for a summer.

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So which is. Which would be junior year?

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The beginning would be the summer between my junior year and my sophomore year.

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And you do that.

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I go to Missoula, Montana, and I go back to Columbus, Georgia. Back to Columbus for one school year.

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For one school year.

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And then New York City in 20. In 2008.

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So that would have been your senior year, Basically.

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My senior year is when I moved. What would have been my senior year is when I moved. We dropped out of college and I moved to New York City.

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So we were talking 22 until 34.

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34 ish. When I. When I moved to. I moved here five years ago.

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12 years.

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So I moved here. I moved out when I was 34 years old. And also a short stint in San Francisco.

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Right.

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For six months.

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I counted my six months there.

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Yeah.

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So we live in a lot of cities. Do you. Do you think most Americans live in so many cities?

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No.

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Right.

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Well, Jacob lived more than we did.

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Why?

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Girl, Jacob. North Carolina, Philly, New Jersey. New York City, San Francisco, Los Angeles.

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Where else?

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The moon. You're a little far from the mic.

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That was good. That was good. Okay, he's over. He's so over. I'm sorry.

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Jacob, tell your story. He don't want to talk no more. He went back to being a producer. But yeah, Jake. I mean, so I guess. And Kane, the camera guy, he's lived all over the place, too.

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Excuse me. Kane is more than just a camera guy. Kane is a person. He has feelings. He is.

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You're welcome, Kane. I'm just saying. I'm just acknowledging one of Kane's many talents.

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Okay.

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Yeah.

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Ok.

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He's also. He also directed my ham sandwich music video.

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Oh, work.

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As well as. As well as DPing and camera opping.

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Damn. DP.

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He double penetrated me with his. And his penis.

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Have you ever double penetrated someone?

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Never. Not once.

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Would you be interested in it?

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You know, I got to talk to you real quick about the shape of my penis. Oh, God. So the shape of my penis is not really conducive to curve up or curve down. Curve down.

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That's great.

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So if I.

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It's good for sucking dick if I

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team up with a curve up?

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No, if you team up. But you'd have to be.

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If they have to be on their back, you have to be facing them

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and you have to be under them.

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No, no, sorry.

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Yeah, you're facing them. Right.

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And then if a curve up is straddling them from the top, then we could probably double penetrate or two curve downs.

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Oh, yeah.

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Cause I guess otherwise you'd be doing this.

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Yeah.

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Girl.

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Making that a trumpet. The trumpet y' all sound according to Handles.

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The Handles?

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Messiah. I want to take it to see a Handel's Messiah this Christmas.

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What is that? A Handel's Messiah? Are you saying a Handles?

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No, Handle. The composer George Hando. Handel.

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His name is Handel?

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Yes. H A N D E L. Handel's Messiah is a very, very classic Christmas work in the oratorio space. Handel is a composer from the Baroque period, and he is one of the most prolific. Or is there one? December 21st.

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Okay, we're in LA. Yes. I gotta keep it a buck with you, Bob.

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You coming?

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Well, let me just give it a buck, though. I went to go see you in a play, in an opera, and I did not have fun. I'm gonna say I covered this on the podcast before, but I feel like you owed it to me to tell me that you were not coming out until the last quarter of the. Of the opera.

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No, I came in at the top of the second act, and then my big chunk was in the last quarter.

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Yeah, I thought I was coming to see the Monet X Change show.

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Oh, got it.

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No, imagine I literally fell asleep.

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I mean. Cause you're also not accustomed to opera. Like, I've seen operas, but did you know what story you're coming to see?

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The marriage of the Confederacy. The daughter of the Confederacy.

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The daughter of the regiment.

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The daughter of the regiment.

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The daughter of the Confederacy.

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And she's raised by a group of ragtag militia. And she's like. And now they want to take care of her. And you're some rich baroness who wants to come and, like, take advantage of her because you're.

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I don't want to take advantage of her. I want her to marry to family like her family promised me to marry to my family.

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Because it's.

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Because back then, that's how they. That's how you flaunted your wealth, and that's how you gained land and things that you. Through marriage.

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You want her to marry your son?

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No, she was my nephew.

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She wanted. You wanted her to marry your nephew? Yeah, it wasn't fun. You know, I went to go see the Marriage of Figaro when I was in college. Boo.

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Marriage. You need to go see something. Like, I feel like I went to

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go see Stonewall, the opera.

[A]

I didn't see that one.

[C]

Me and Nick and Jacob went to together. I actually kind of hosted the evening.

[A]

How was it?

[C]

You know, it was an opera. I went to go see Anna.

[A]

What do you mean it's an opera?

[C]

What's her name?

[A]

Anna Nechrepko Trimspa.

[C]

Oh, the Anna Smith Opera at Bam.

[A]

How was that?

[C]

I actually like that one. But I will say they sold me an obstructed view.

[A]

You told me this.

[C]

Yeah, baby. When I tell you. I was literally just sitting behind a column. Maybe one thing. If I had to slightly this. I was just. Look, I. Honestly, someone needs to. Someone rogue needs to go through BAM right now and remove that seat. You cannot sell that seat. You can't sell.

[A]

Did you pay full price?

[C]

No, it was an obstructive view seat, so the price was lower. But I was. I was listening to a podcast. I might as well listen to an album.

[A]

I feel like there are there.

[C]

I was doing this the whole show.

[A]

They're really fun new operas. Like, there's one that just was just in Vienna where the. Where it's like, about like blood and gore and like half of the opera, they're like tits and dicks out. Like, that sounded really exciting to me. I would like to go see something like that.

[C]

How do you go Operas that don't sound operatic.

[A]

Like, what, Jesus Christ Superstar?

[C]

So rock opera.

[A]

I've never seen it, so I couldn't see it.

[C]

But just the thought of that, like an opera that is Just so it is all sung, but it's not like, What is the song of that? That's a really well written song.

[A]

It is a good song. Mozart was. I mean, he was a fucking genius. He was literally. What's the word with a P?

[C]

Savant.

[A]

No.

[C]

Oh, savant's like really stupid.

[B]

Prodigy.

[A]

Prodigy. He's a prodigy.

[C]

Plays with a C instead of P. And then I. Then I see. I think a savant. What is a savant?

[A]

I think it's the way before. I think a savant is someone who picks up things very easily.

[C]

I think savant is kind of an outdated term for autistic people who are really good at something, to be honest.

[A]

A very learned or talented person, especially one distinguished in a particular field. Science of the arts.

[C]

Are you a savant? Are you a drag savant?

[A]

I will say.

[C]

Are you talented?

[A]

I feel like I was an operatic savant when I was younger. I really was. I picked up opera.

[C]

I think you have to be young.

[A]

I'm not gonna say for me back then, I think I picked up opera really quickly and I like. It was often by teachers and stuff. They were like, wow, this is very impressive for someone your age to produce such a sound.

[C]

So you can be like a Dan Savant, an opera savant. Can you be a comedy savant?

[A]

I think so. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[C]

Are we savants? I don't. Oh, my God. Are we savant? Savant rivalry. Sibling savannery.

[A]

Sibling Savannah.

[C]

Oh, my God.

[A]

Yeah. So wait. So wait, back to the thing.

[C]

The timeline.

[A]

No, the opera handles. Messiah.

[C]

Handel's Messiah.

[A]

Bob, before you die, you have to experience Handel's Messiah.

[C]

I didn't say I won't go. Okay, I'm just letting you know.

[A]

December 21st at 7:00pm Grammy.

[C]

What? Scroll down. Experience the Grammy award winning. Okay, up. Experience the Grammy award winning voices of the master Chorale and the iconic holiday masterpiece, Handel's Messiah.

[A]

Ooh, look at this.

[C]

Who's about Jesus?

[A]

It's about the birth of Jesus, but I mean. Yes, but it's. Sure.

[C]

Why can't you write an opera?

[A]

I can. I mean, I'm not a composer, but

[C]

you can team up with one. You're a lyricist and a singer. You're a songwriter.

[A]

Yeah, I mean, I just.

[C]

Cause. Do all composers write their own lyrics too?

[A]

No, no, no, no, no. I mean, often. Librettus. Who does? Who does? So I guess in terms of music, theater.

[C]

Oh, you guys say libretto too?

[A]

What?

[C]

You guys also say libretto?

[A]

Sing libretto. What do you mean, sing?

[C]

You say libretto as a term in opera as well.

[A]

Yeah, I think it came from opera. Oh, Libretto is the. Is like the. Is the book. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[C]

So like Elton John, you know, let's take a little break. But I will say this. These ad breaks.

[A]

Wait, wait, hold on. No, no. So this, hold on. This, this is not an ad break. This is just a break in the podcast.

[C]

There's no ads here.

[A]

No, there's no ads here. That's people saying, guys, please out there.

[C]

No ads there. Well, I don't listen to the podcast on. On Spotify. I watch it through Patreon. I don't listen every. I don't rewatch every episode of the podcast and neither do you. And do not cover your mouth as

[A]

if I did not say that I did.

[C]

Then why are you covering your mouth?

[A]

Because I can still be shocked at your behavior that you exhibit the same behavior.

[C]

Yeah, let's take a break.

[A]

Yeah,

[C]

Yeah. Cause I don't watch this on YouTube. I mean, I watch the YouTube through Patreon, but I don't watch Patreon. I've not watched the a video of us on YouTube. And I mean, I also have YouTube Premium same. I can't live like that. And I've had YouTube Premium. Oh, well, I've had YouTube Premium for a long time. I gotta tell you right now. I don't know what happened to us. We used to watch 20 to 50 minutes of commercials per 30 minute show. Bitch. I'd be hovering over that skip ad button. Hovering, sweating. When does it come?

[A]

Well, this is weird. So I just. With, you know, traders, you know, I.

[C]

The traders.

[A]

The traders. I re upped my peacock subscription and I paid. I'm paying 14.99 for no ads, but I'm still getting ads.

[C]

Girl, when I tell you there are ads. I was watching something the other day.

[A]

Okay, that's you too.

[C]

Something. I was something. I think it was. I was on Apple TV because I've been trying to watch Pluribus. An ad and ad. And ad.

[A]

Yeah, I don't know what's going on.

[C]

It's crazy.

[A]

Well, because there were two things that you can pay 799 to get ads or 1499 for no ads. I pay 1499, but I'm still getting ads. I'm like, what the fuck is that?

[C]

Less ads.

[A]

That's crazy.

[C]

And I need to. By the way, I need to. Can you. And I need to talk about Pluribus because I'm. I'm pissed. I'm pissed. Yes. I watched a new episode and I'm pissed. I did not call the number. I did not call the number.

[A]

But if any of you are watching

[C]

Provers, if any of you is, I need to know, is anyone else as angry as I am?

[A]

I'm not watching. And he's watching it, though.

[C]

Does it. Is he upset? Does he come upstairs angry?

[A]

I don't know. And he watches so much. Andy consumes so much tv. I don't know how he.

[C]

I didn't know he watched a lot of tv.

[A]

Andy watches so many programs. I don't play video games.

[C]

The other day, until the other day, he told me he was, like, playing through a game, and I was like, andy plays video games?

[A]

Oh, yeah, he plays video games.

[C]

He's so bad when we play the games that we play together.

[A]

What games do y' all play together?

[C]

I mean, when we play together at your home. He's really bad at Smash, but he just.

[A]

He doesn't like Smash.

[C]

He's not great at Mario Kart.

[A]

He's good at Mario Kart.

[C]

I'm pretty bad at Mario Kart. Yeah, you're better at. He's not great at Mario Party. We played once, and he was bad.

[A]

But can you acknowledge Mario Party is a game about just luck and chance?

[C]

Kind of. But there's. There's skill.

[A]

It's like 60% luck and chance, 40% skill.

[C]

Can he play Marvel Rivals?

[A]

No, he doesn't like. He doesn't like those games. He likes first person shooters like Halo, Call of Duty, and he likes.

[C]

So he plays Fortnite.

[A]

I don't think he's ever played it. But Fortnite is not a first person shooter, babe. It's a third person shooter.

[B]

He's really into Helldivers 2 for a while.

[A]

Helldivers he liked was the other one. The ones that kind of like Dungeons and Dragons.

[C]

Baldur's Gate.

[B]

Baldur's Gate.

[A]

He played like 60 hours of that. That's a really good game. It's a really good.

[C]

Is it?

[A]

You played it too?

[C]

It's a really good.

[A]

Really?

[C]

It's great. And it is.

[B]

We should do a segment where you two play Balders get together. That would be so cunty.

[A]

I wanted to play more video games together. We both can stream.

[B]

Yes.

[C]

Well, I came to your house to stream one time. Yeah.

[A]

I want to do it, like, in our respective places and do like.

[C]

You want to give a shout to Naomi. And I heard she scrubbed you and.

[A]

What?

[C]

Naomi from the pod. From the Patreon in. In. In Smash.

[A]

Did she.

[C]

Is that not true?

[A]

What's her name on Smash. I don't know.

[C]

There's also a Marquifa.

[A]

Yeah, Mar. Mars Something. Yeah.

[C]

Laquifa. Marquifa. Moquifa. Monquifa. It's something. Queefa.

[A]

Marquifa.

[C]

Did you play her? I don't remember.

[A]

This is so long ago. I haven't played Smash in a while. On stream.

[C]

Do you want to say whether or not you think you can beat them? I think I can definitely.

[A]

I think that by the name I can scrub Marquifa. Who's the other person?

[C]

Naomi.

[A]

Naomi. I think I beat Naomi too. Naomi, did you beat? I don't think you did, but it was like. Well, I mean, only one way to tell. Should we do like a sibling game night for the holidays?

[C]

I mean, I want to do a.

[A]

My hands are so cold in here, right? It's fucking freezing.

[C]

My hands aren't cold.

[A]

I know your hands are warm. Bitch, please.

[C]

You know his hands are hot. Jacob has like little oven ovens. Not oven mitts. Ovens. I held his hands on the way to work. I said, jesus Christ, how you live like this?

[A]

I think it's a white thing. Andy runs so warm. I was like, nigga, are you. Have you ever watched a Flash TV show?

[C]

Is that the one with Ezra Miller?

[A]

No, that's a movie. The Flash TV show. I don't know the guy's name. Oh, but for Flash does this thing where he vibrates really fast. He can phase through things and heats up his body. I mean, that's what Andy be doing.

[C]

Who's the hottest superhero? Who's the one who's always showing his butt? What's his name? Jacob?

[A]

Oh, Chris. Chris Evans.

[C]

Nightwing.

[A]

Wait, what?

[C]

Nightwing's got the. Got that ass on him. He got a thang on him.

[A]

Are you talking about the people who play the bim or like.

[C]

No, it's like he's known for his butt. Like, Nightwing has a great butt. And part of doing Nightwing cosplay is you have to show butt.

[A]

He is hot. Nightwing is a hot superhero.

[C]

And can you go some cosplay? So all night Nightwing cosplays is often from the back and is showing the butt. Like notwing. Nightwing cosplay is about the butt.

[A]

Is Nightwing queer coded?

[C]

I don't know. I don't know anything about Nightwing.

[A]

It says Nightwing used to be Robin, right?

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

Oh, Nightwing is Robin.

[A]

Yeah. After he leaves Batman and he like, doing his own thing.

[B]

Yeah. Robin's like your internship position for Batman. And then when you age out of it you become a different superhero.

[A]

So who does the second Robin become?

[B]

I think the second Robin gets killed by the Joker, his name's not Robin. And now there's a third. There's a third Robin as well.

[C]

So his name is not Robin. I thought his name was Robin.

[A]

No, just like the Batman.

[B]

His name is Dick Grayson.

[C]

Yeah, obviously.

[A]

Like, do you think Batman name is Batman?

[C]

Bruce Wayne.

[A]

Right.

[C]

So like they're playing Robin is a name.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

But Batman would have a sidekick.

[B]

He's like, hi, I'm Bruce Wayne.

[C]

I go by Batman, you Robin. My sidekick is going to go by your first. Well, that's what. Alfred goes by his name because he's

[A]

not out there fighting crime.

[C]

He's Alfred fights crime. Crime in his own way at home.

[B]

He actually is a spin off TV show that's called Alfred where Alfred is like hot and in his 20s and fighting crime.

[C]

And by what name?

[B]

Oh, he's called Gotham.

[C]

And by what name does he use?

[B]

I think he uses Alfred.

[A]

Alfred Pennyworth?

[C]

No.

[A]

Pierre?

[C]

No, no. Cobblepot. Oh, that's. That's the Penguin. Yeah. Hemsworth Cobblepot.

[A]

That's his real name.

[C]

Oswald Cobblepot.

[A]

That's his real name.

[C]

You just be saying yes. Well, I got Cobblepot.

[A]

Right. Did you watch the Penguin TV show?

[C]

A little bit.

[A]

I don't watch any of it because I, I'm not a fan of that, of that, of that multiverse, I gotta say.

[C]

What's his nuts? Scottish guy, British guy, Irish guy? Irish guy? Irish guy.

[B]

Colin.

[C]

Colin Farrell.

[A]

Yeah, I heard he was very good.

[C]

8.

[A]

Yeah, I heard he's.

[C]

He's. He has part of the movie.

[A]

He's a very good actor though.

[C]

That's part of the movie.

[A]

Very good actor.

[C]

Speaking of movies, she was the.

[B]

Christina Milani was so good in that.

[C]

No one mourns the wicked.

[A]

Oh God.

[C]

No one mourns the wicked. Monet. Did you watch it? When did you watch it?

[A]

I watched it. I watched it on that Thursday.

[C]

Who'd you watch it?

[A]

Thursday came out. Andy and I went to go see it and I. I mean overall I think I prefer part one to part two.

[C]

Yep, same.

[A]

But I still think it's good. I think, I think the acting and the choices were stellar. I will say Michelle Yeoh. I personally think that Michelle Yeoh was miscast. I think it was a really, really poor decision to not have Shirley Ralph.

[C]

Shirley Ralph would have been great.

[A]

Shirley Ralph would have been an amazing Madame Morble. Like I'm thinking about like the times again. Michelle is a Great actor, right? Actress. Actor. But even the time when she's supposed to be, like, annoyed with Glinda, it felt like a little, like, overactive to me. She's like, Like. I was like, I don't even believe that you're really annoyed by this girl. I think that you're pretending you're playing to. That you're annoyed.

[C]

Do you still think you're Glenda? To be clear, Glenda is the bad guy. I don't think so. Glenda is a. No. Glenda is bad. Glenda is basically like, if Caroline Levitt became the head of state. No, no. She's like, if Erica Kirk became the head of state. That is who Glenda is.

[A]

I think that. I think we're also.

[C]

She's actually closer to J.D. vance, to be honest.

[A]

I think we also, like, these are young girls. Like, when I was fresh out of High School, 19, 18, 19, I didn't make the best decisions. But I think as time passes on and you realize errors, errors, your ways, you try to right those wrongs, which is what Glenda does towards the end of the film. You're taking her actions in the second half and the first half. In the second half of the first part and the first. And the first half of the second part, to assign all these things to her. It's like, no, she made some mistakes. She realized the mistakes and the errors in her ways. And she tries to write, trying to ascend power and try to get power and try to be this voice. Because at the beginning of the movie, all Glinda wants is just to be magical. She wants to bring magic to the world. She wants to have magic. She wants to.

[C]

Which already has so much, but it's. You can't have everything, you know? One of my older roommates back in the day, her name was Michelle Roberts, and she grew up pretty well off in Long Island. And I remember one time she just looked at me and she was like, you know what? I spent all this time complaining about my legs. I want long legs, and I don't have long legs.

[A]

I have long legs.

[C]

She's a super queen. She's like, but, you know, I have a lot of stuff. I cannot believe I'm sitting here whining and complaining. Cause I don't have nice legs. Legs. I have so much going for me in life, and for me to sit here and complain about not having long legs is kind of ridiculous. I just saw her have this realization at, like, 23, by the way, right out of college. Just like Glenda.

[A]

Glenda's not. Glenda's out of high school.

[C]

Glenda's out of college because she's in college. Time passes. She's the head of state. Monet, Glenda is the head of state.

[A]

So my daddy's a mayor.

[C]

He's. He's way out of college.

[A]

Yeah, but I'm saying.

[C]

But he's in his mid-30s.

[A]

And most people like 50 something.

[C]

Glenda, when she gets to the school, she's fresh out of. But time has passed, right? Time has passed.

[A]

University. Okay.

[B]

Yeah. It's a little bit unclear, but it's between. It's between one and four years.

[A]

But to say, first of all, first of all, that was another thing too. Like, I'm sorry, they went straight. When did.

[C]

They were all hanging in the field and where were they all but united? Benetton. United States. Benetton. Ad. When did that happen?

[A]

Because they went straight from. To Oz to where we're at now.

[C]

So when was this?

[A]

When was everyone. Buddy, buddy, chum, chum, chum.

[C]

I think it was some point during the first movie. I would say it was probably right after the Oz Dust Ballroom.

[B]

Yeah. It was originally filmed as a reprise for Dancing Through Life. There are, like, lyrics and everything for that song.

[C]

Yeah, it looks like it was like Razbar. They were like, we're good. Now we're friends.

[A]

Okay, okay, okay, okay. They're all like. They're rolling in a field. They're like blowing dandelions together.

[C]

I was like, oh, it worked. And this shit went left. Chin got wicked all the way left. But I feel like what's going on is Glenda is more than comfortable allowing her best friend to be not just villainized, because Glenda has the power to just be like, hey, guys, I am now the head of state. I can tell you what happened. She can come back. She can be good. But instead, she lets them believe that the. That the wizard is still good. She lets them believe that Madame Morrible is still good. She lets them believe that Elphaba is bad. She does nothing. How does she atone for the sins of what's happened to the animals? Like, what does she do? What does she do? She says, come back as if nothing happened. Like, just come back. It'll be good.

[A]

I think that's what we're gonna see in part three.

[C]

Yeah. What policies is she putting into play to make sure the animals. What happens to the animals never happens again?

[A]

I think that's what we see in part three, which you heard, apparently they're writing this Glinda movie. Have you heard about this?

[C]

I'm not watching a Glinda movie.

[A]

Allegedly. Allegedly. They're writing, like, a third Glinda movie. I don't know if that's true. I don't know if that's just. What is this, lore online?

[B]

I mean, there are two different things. They announced a third Wicked project, okay? And Gregory Maguire has also announced a Glinda book.

[C]

Like, a Glinda book.

[A]

The guy who wrote Wicked said he's gonna write a Glinda book.

[C]

Right. Unless Glinda writes her wrongs and atones for how she. Also, not to mention, like to be clear, Madame Morrible is a murderer.

[A]

Oh, for sure. She's awful.

[C]

She killed Nessa, murdered a disabled woman.

[A]

Yeah. It's crazy.

[C]

And she's a villain. And Glenn is too, because. Do you remember whose idea was Flip. Wicked Witch? Do you remember whose idea it was to crush. To use.

[A]

To use. It was Glinda.

[C]

It was Glinda's idea. She goes, use your sister.

[A]

Okay?

[C]

What? She said, use this sister.

[A]

She just said kill her.

[C]

She said, use that. Dis. Use her disabled sister to draw her out of the woods.

[A]

Yeah, but it wasn't to kill her.

[C]

She didn't say kill her, but she

[A]

did say, if someone tell me, use

[C]

Jacob to get Bob.

[A]

I'm not gonna put a knife to Jacob's throat and slit his throat.

[C]

But she did tell them to use her disabled sister to draw her out of the woods so they could arrest her or do something to her. They don't want to pull her out and just go, hey, let's just chat about things.

[A]

Yeah, to draw her. So maybe like. Like, use her. Like, I don't know, put her in. Put her in a stage play. Put her in. Put her in a talent show.

[C]

That is not what they meant.

[A]

I mean, you're assuming what Glenn.

[C]

No, I'm not assuming. She said if she thinks that Nessa is in trouble. Not if you think Nessa's in a Broadway show. Not if she think Nessa is the next big pop star. If she thinks Nessa is in trouble, she will come.

[A]

So you put her on stage, mess up her mic, and have, like, Nessa be on stage. Sad. Like, that's just. She will fly to her aid.

[C]

The. The mental gymnastics is crazy.

[A]

I'm just saying. I just think that in. I think that Glenda has seen the errors her ways. And I mean, I will say this. Cynthia and Ariana and Ariana Grande's acting is so next level. I think they have both cemented themselves as really, really phenomenal talent. Do you agree?

[C]

Easily.

[A]

So fucking good. Like, they're just Ariana Grande.

[C]

I mean, again, but this is the

[A]

world she came from. I don't know why anyone is surprised.

[C]

I'm not.

[A]

I'm not surprised.

[C]

But like.

[A]

Like, this is like, she started acting for first, right then she said, like, oh, I want to do music.

[C]

I think she did a Broadway show once. Oh, like this, like the teen Broadway show. Yeah.

[B]

Thirteen, the musical.

[C]

Thirteen the musical.

[A]

Oh, she did a musical first and then she's like, oh, I can actually.

[C]

She's probably on Disney before that.

[A]

I don't know.

[C]

I mean, I think it was 13 Disney, but I forgot 13 Nickelodeon. Oh, she was a Nickelodeon. She was in 13, then Nickelodeon, then pop star.

[A]

Got it. Yeah.

[C]

And that lady. I'm glad my mom's dead, Jeanette McC. She has something against Ariana Grande because I think.

[A]

Yeah, because. Have you read Janet McC's book? It's so good.

[C]

I'm glad my mom's day. You read that one?

[A]

I read it. It's a very good book and. Cause she was part of Nickelodeon with everything going on. And I think she. I think. I think she has some kind of resentment towards Ariana stuff. Ariana Grande and other Disney actors who have not.

[C]

Nickelodeon.

[A]

Sorry, Nickelodeon actors who haven't come out about the guy with the feet who was like, abusing kids. The whole.

[C]

Oh, that guy. The foot guy.

[A]

The foot guy. Yeah.

[C]

That was crazy, girl.

[A]

I tried to watch that documentary and I just. I was like, I can't. Oh, my God.

[C]

God, I haven't seen it.

[A]

What is it?

[C]

What?

[A]

That documentary I was on. This is. I'll table off on camera. It's not even. I don't want to talk about it on camera, but it's very upsetting. And thinking about it really is really like, getting me. Oh, God. Yeah. I'll tell you off camera. All right. Yeah. It's a trigger one for people. I don't want to put that in people's hands now.

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[B]

The quick brown fox jumps over the lazy dog.

[C]

Do you know about the quick brown fox?

[A]

Jacob is. First of all, Jacob is putting on for his voice. Do you know what this is?

[C]

The quick brown. It's the letter. It's the sentence of every letter.

[A]

Alphabet in it. No, but do you know why Jake was recording that? Oh, why are you saying that? Jacob, Him, Mitch and Jay are sending a voice note. Because in the last episode, the episode's coming out, we. You said that all three of them sound the same, apparently.

[C]

Yeah, well, it's a common sentiment we hear. So sometimes when Mitchell runs my live streams that me and Peppermint do for charity, people think it's Jacob. Or when Jacob pops in, people think it's Mitch. So people think that Mitch and Jacob have similar. Which is crazy, y', all. When I say they look so different. Very different. I mean, they're. Well, they're. No, Jacob's a little shorter than Mitch. Mitch is probably like five eight. Five seven. Jake's about five five, I think. But Mitch is like a. Jacob is five four. Jacob says five four in Grinder, but he's actually five Clives.

[B]

I'm. I'm actually five six.

[A]

Oh, yeah.

[C]

Tall king.

[B]

And I'd say five' five on Grindr.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

Cause it brings the boys to the yard. But Mitch is like a hairy muscle daddy, and Jacob's like a otter. Otter.

[A]

As an otter Otter.

[C]

Well, Jacob's not a daddy.

[A]

Okay, wait, so. And I will say, so going into part two, I didn't know. I've never seen the stage show, and

[C]

I did not read a book. Well, Jay does have a bit of a New York accent, too.

[A]

Yeah, Jay has a. Jay has a little bit of a New York accent.

[C]

And. And Mitch has that upstate accent.

[A]

Yeah, it's almost. It's almost like Midwestern. Like, don't you know?

[C]

No, he says both.

[A]

What? Huh?

[C]

Both with an L. Both.

[D]

Both.

[C]

He says both. He's. He's one of the folks that's Both.

[A]

Mitch has a. Mitch is from Buffalo, and he. It's. It's very Canadian. Midwesterny. Yeah. And Jay has a. The heaviest New York accent. I was talking to Jay the other day.

[C]

I was like, what the fuck did you just say? Jay does have a New York accent. I'm like, what are you talking about?

[A]

Anyway, so I didn't know that Bach becomes. Well, spoiler alert.

[C]

We've already. I mean, the book came out in 1994.

[A]

I didn't know that Bach became Tin Man. I didn't know that.

[C]

I didn't know that. I thought the Broadway show.

[A]

That's why I've never seen a Broadway show. I didn't know that Fiyero becomes a scarecrow. I've listened to the soundtrack like for years now. Cause I love the music and I've done them in drag shows. But I didn't know and I guess I should have. In no good deed when she says let him feel no pain. Let his flesh. All that shit. That was her turning him into something.

[C]

How about life is painless when you're brainless?

[A]

Who says that?

[C]

Fiera.

[B]

How about it's due to her. I'm made of tin. Her spell made this occurrence.

[A]

Who says it?

[C]

Bach.

[A]

When? What song?

[C]

When they're trying to get go and fight her and hunt her and kill her.

[A]

Kill the witch. I don't know.

[C]

But he goes. Life is painless when your brainless. Because the scarecrow doesn't have brain.

[A]

Is this in Dancing Through Life?

[C]

Dancing Through Life.

[A]

I do not like that song. I don't like Dancing Through Life. Not because of the person singing.

[C]

Is it normally Obutts who does it? Broadway. He is Hoop Obutz, Norbit, Leo Butts. He's also in the last five years.

[A]

Right. Do you know I love Songs from a New World. So good.

[C]

You know songs in New World. The songs are great. That is not a good show.

[A]

I've never seen the show. I've only know I've only no music and stars.

[C]

That is by the way the album is the show.

[A]

Okay. Nothing in between Stars on the Moon is one of my. Is one of my favorite Broadway songs ever.

[C]

My favorite has song of newer Ever been on Broadway. Anyway Songs for New World. My favorite song is probably I like Sarah by you. Santa is a great song. I love the. The steam. Here comes the steam train coming down the track. Better watch yourself. Me and Jacob took a musical quiz the other day. I got destroyed by Jacob. Jacob Clearness musicals that I did not even know exactly existed like. And I like musicals. Jacob was like oh that's. That's the song Bip Scott Booty from you know, Charlie Kirk the musical.

[A]

Oh God. Did did. Did the. Did the did part two live up to your expectations? As. As someone who's a big Wicked fan.

[C]

No Good Deed Lived up to my expectations. No Good Deed I think is actually the one of the best movie musical moments of all time.

[A]

Genuinely. I think it's the best song from the show. I Know, people love Defying Gravity. I personally think Nogadeid is my favorite song from the whole show.

[C]

I mean, I think wizard and I might be my favorite, but Nogadeid might have been edged out because of how good of a job Cynthia Revo did. I love her Fiyero. Her Fiyero is great. It kind of gives a little bit of Eden Espinosis at Fiera. But your hot take is that you think that Idina Mazzo has the best no good deed.

[A]

I do because I told you why. Because of that guttural Fiyero, which for whatever reason, they. It wasn't Cynthia's choice to do it in the show. Or maybe it didn't work out. What if you listen to the OBC recording of Idina Menzel singing no Good Deed at the top of the number, she yells this gutter role.

[C]

So first Kristen yells it and then Idina Menzel yells it. They're stacked. It's like, fiyero, Fiyero.

[A]

It's so. I'm like, oh, my God.

[C]

Like, I feel.

[A]

I feel her desperation because she loves this man. And she's like, oh, my God.

[C]

She kills just now.

[A]

I know. Like, it's such. It's so. I think literally that one moment, I'm like, fuck. I just love her edition of it.

[C]

My favorite thing Eden Espinosa does, she goes, look at this chanting. I don't even know what I'm reading.

[A]

I don't even know what I'm reading. What about Lachanze? How's Lachanze's. I don't know it.

[C]

Lachanze, Lachanze, Lachanze.

[A]

Isn't she someone who did that?

[C]

No, Lachanze was in the Color Purple.

[A]

I thought she did Elphaba as well.

[C]

Lachanze, the black woman?

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

No, there's never been a Black Alpha until now. This is. The first Black Alpha is like on Broadway right now. I thought there was a. There was a. Okay. Brandi Chiffon Massey, Sacon Sing Blond Sacon. They were understudies.

[A]

Oh, but I mean, they still played the role.

[C]

No, but there's not. But it's different. Pay wise. Trust me, it's different. But no, Lashanz was in Once this Island, original Broadway cast. Once the Island. She was in the original Broadway cast of. Or you think about Lyncia Khadibi.

[A]

Oh, she. She's like.

[B]

She's the current.

[A]

Or Kabir and she's. She's also Lencia Kabiti. I think it's Kebabe.

[C]

Kebabe.

[A]

Probably is, is the first, is the first black Elphaba on Broadway. Yeah, got it.

[C]

Yeah, this year. But what I'm saying is like Sacon and Brandy Chiffon Massey were understudies or swings.

[A]

Got it.

[C]

And the first black Glenda was like three years ago. I want to say I only noticed

[A]

because I remember being at your apartment. We've talked about this in several group chats. And I sorry. In videos, whether on nicking them or whatever. Bob loves a YouTube. And so many times being at your old apartment and you wanting to watch the thing of all the Elphabas doing their, the it's like a medley of every elf of it doing their no good deeds. No good deeds.

[C]

Yes, yes. No good deed is such a.

[A]

Or the Defying Gravity is one of them.

[C]

It's no good deed.

[A]

No good deed.

[C]

It's easily no good deed. It's such, I mean, I gotta say, Ariana Grande was acting. Her fucking an asshole ass was acted

[A]

off that moment with the two of them at the end. Like, I, I, I, like here's the thing, the reason why their love, like I almost believe their love more than Elphaba and Fyro's love, because I think, because everything we've seen of them and how Ariana and Cynthia act off screen, like that moment when they're both at the door and they're both crying, I'm like, this feels so fucking real. Like, that was like there is no acting.

[C]

You know, who's a total fucking sheep ass bitch. And like, I can't believe anyone ever rallied behind his little bitch ass. The fucking lion. You have nothing to complain about. Like, I feel like Bach has legitimate complaints and concerns. He's misguided because obviously it was Nessa who cast the spell on him. Yeah, obviously. We watched Nessa do it. And then the lion's like, yeah, girl, she freed me from a cage. They're like, okay, but no but like, y', all, you don't get it. She took me from the only home I ever knew. A cage.

[A]

Bobby. You tried to live in a cage all your life. It's easy to see what he was.

[C]

He wanted to live in the cage, right? She freed him from the cage. Oh, so what's good, Molly? What's good? She never let me fight my own battles.

[A]

So why would, why was Fiera going after her too then?

[C]

Said Fiera was never actually going after her. I think Fiera was just trying to hitch a ride to go see her. Because Fiera was like, oh, yeah, let's get that bitch. I will say at the end. At the end, when she comes out

[A]

the trap door and that thing's open and she. Sierra, she was jump scared. She's like, damn, you really are a scarecrow.

[C]

And he was like.

[A]

He's like, are you scared?

[C]

She's like, no, you look beautiful. I just see things differently. First of all, not a compliment. I don't feel like girl. He said that to her. He was like, you're beautiful. You don't have to say that. You don't have to lie. No, I'm not lying. I'm just looking at things differently. Okay, let's dial that back.

[A]

I was gagged.

[C]

I was like, damn, let's run that back. No. You supposed to say, no, no, no. Objectively, you're beautiful, right? Not like I kind of like ugly shit.

[A]

Literally, I was gagged. I was like, oh, my. I was like, if I opened that trap, bitch, I would close you back down there.

[C]

He was like, I like ugly bitches. Also her fuck sweater. I'm obsessed.

[A]

Oh, sweater, sweater.

[C]

And him screaming in her face. What's the line? How the song go?

[B]

Kiss me to hold me too tight I need help Leaving you with me tonight My wildest dreamings could not foresee Lying beside here Lying beside you with you Wanting me Just for this moment

[C]

as long as you're like, that was you.

[A]

I didn't.

[C]

He was like, in her face. I've been like, boner gone screaming in her face.

[A]

That's my goal. I. I want to someone.

[C]

And then a scarecrow.

[A]

No. And they sing to me.

[C]

So you're too good for scarecrows?

[A]

Correct. And they sing to me while we're fucking. I think that would be. I've never had that happen. That sounds so hot.

[C]

I want singing your proposal.

[B]

Who?

[C]

Andy. Singing your proposal.

[A]

No, I want someone who's like a singer. Don't get me wrong. I do actually love what Andy sings to me. He thinks I'm doing a bit. I genuinely love when Andy sings to me.

[C]

I love when Jacob sings.

[A]

I love when Andy sings.

[C]

And again, Andy's not like y'. All.

[A]

He literally had tried to take Voice Lessons for 7 Months to Try to learn how to maneuver his voice to say. I know, it's very sweet.

[C]

Jacob be giving me full concerts at the house.

[A]

Andy can't do that.

[C]

Jacob. I've seen Jacob play. I've seen him cast in Next to Normal. I've seen Jacob cast in Wicked Next.

[A]

Normal is a musical. Yeah.

[C]

I've seen Jacob cast the one about the AIDS pandemic No, but they do about mental health.

[A]

Oh, that's the new normal.

[C]

No, the new normal. The new normal is a TV show which also apply.

[A]

Okay. Yeah. Okay.

[C]

Yeah. Larry Kramer. Wait.

[B]

No, sorry. The new normal. There's the normal heart.

[A]

The new normal heart. The new normal is a show with Nene Leakes.

[B]

Yes.

[C]

No. The new normal show Needy Leagues. The normal heart is Larry Kramer. Right next to Normal is the mental health play.

[A]

No more Normal in plays and musicals to get something new.

[C]

But I've seen Jacob as Dorothy and the Wiz. I be getting little concerts at home, honey.

[A]

Well, you know, Andy was saying something to me the other day. He was like, I was doing something, and, you know, I was in my bathroom. I'd be having concerts in my bathroom. Bathroom. And then he was like, you're always singing. Huh? I was like, no, I'm not. He was like, you're always singing. I was like, I am not always singing. He was like, you don't understand because you're not living with a singer. He's like, you are always singing. Do you feel like I always sing?

[C]

No. Right?

[A]

You always sing.

[C]

I sing a lot. I like to sing.

[A]

Well, you sing.

[C]

You're a Broadway actor.

[A]

You're past a lot.

[C]

Well, I'm a Broadway actor, so you're always singing. I mean, as a Broadway actor, I think I see.

[A]

Right? Especially girl, y'.

[B]

All.

[C]

Can you acknowledge I'm a Broadway actor, please?

[A]

You are the Broadway actor. Well, but not yet.

[D]

You're.

[A]

You're going to Raw Reactor. You are. Not yet. But, y', all, ever since Bob got these voice lessons, this nigga will not stop.

[C]

I've been singing before that.

[A]

No, no, no, no, no, baby.

[C]

Well, my. My. My confidence is. He told me to sing more.

[A]

Yeah, as you should. You're confident. People don't realize it is a muscle. The more you do it, the better you get at it. So you're just. You're just flexing your muscle.

[C]

Vocal cord and muscle.

[A]

Yes. They're two tiny little muscles the size of a dime. Can you show a picture of vocal cords?

[C]

People say your brain's a muscle.

[A]

It is a muscle.

[C]

Your brain's not a muscle.

[A]

It's not. Those are vocal cords.

[C]

They're muscles.

[A]

Yes. Those two little things are the reasons why you can sing.

[C]

I hate when people say that your brain's a muscle, because it's not. It's an organ. It is an organ. I'll give you that.

[A]

An Oregon. That's a city.

[C]

A state.

[A]

A state. An Oregon, y'.

[C]

All. I don't even know. Monet doesn't know what cities are.

[A]

I do know what cities are.

[C]

You don't know what cities are.

[A]

I do.

[C]

There's nothing wrong with knowing what cities are.

[A]

Spoke. You think I didn't know what an Oregon is a state?

[C]

I, I, I, I. I'm going to have to one day just sit down, find my old phone and find the screen, grab Monae talking about her top five favorite cities she wants to visit. I can never find it. Monae says the pH was just on Drag Race. I can probably pinpoint the year and when. They did an AMA on Instagram and one of the questions was, top five cities you want to travel to. Monet said, Asia, Australia, Spain and England. Not. Not a single city in the lot.

[A]

Anyway, I misspoke five times. Yes.

[C]

Not only that, there were continents, there were countries. There was a lot going on in there.

[A]

What do you think about the new song? Really?

[C]

I really try to get you. So to get an Oscar, you have to have an original song.

[A]

Oh, really?

[C]

And I mean, I'm gonna try right now.

[A]

I love Wicked, the first one. Ever have an original song?

[C]

No.

[A]

So how did it get. They got nominated.

[C]

Not for, not for original song.

[A]

Oh.

[C]

And again, the Grammys and Oscars are different things. To get nominated for an Oscar, you have to have a completely original song in your movie. And I gotta tell you, right now, in a world where K Pop demon hunters exist and golden exists.

[A]

Oh, yeah.

[C]

These songs are not going to compete with you. We're going up. I mean, I loved Wicked, baby. Wicked cannot. Those new songs. You're gonna tell me they hold a candle to golden or that song from Sinners. Those are gonna be the top. The front runners.

[A]

What song?

[C]

The one where they're doing that big movement and they're like, it's traveling around the room.

[A]

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay. So again, I've never seen the stage show. How does it end on Broadway?

[C]

Pretty much the same one.

[A]

Oh, she comes to a door.

[C]

Yeah. She comes out of the trapdoor and then she flees. And Glinda's like, did she die? Did she not die? But also, Glinda is so susceptible to propaganda. Like, how does Glinda believe that Elphaba died from water? How does she believe that?

[A]

I don't think she believes her. I think she's playing along. I think that she knows that she's

[C]

by herself in a room alone. She's in a room clutching a hat. By herself.

[A]

Yeah, to the. Yeah, I think that's for the I think she's. I think she's now, in a moment,

[C]

like, is she aware of the camera?

[A]

She's like. She's like. She's like, I need to sell this moment even. Even to y'. All. I think. I think that's what it is to the camera. Yeah, that's like. That's like. If, like, you and I do something bad and I steal this, you're like, one day, we're not gonna tell anyone about this one. You're like, what?

[C]

What.

[A]

What part?

[C]

What part? Yeah, but that's in front of. There are actual people here. There's no camera in Wicked, Monet. There's no camera.

[A]

I know, but when it's just you

[C]

and I using it, it's not a documentary.

[A]

What is this you and I? You'd be like, mone, what plan?

[C]

Yeah, that's when it's you. And if you and me, I'd probably be like, okay, girl. But as soon as we're on the podcast, I'd be like, there's literally never a plant there.

[A]

I think she's going above and beyond Bob to right her wrong. She's like, I'm going to sell this even to myself, in this room by myself.

[C]

She's like, but she could also. She has the power to completely. What do you call it? Pardon her. She could tell everyone that Elphaba was actually doing right? She could tell everyone that the witch, that the wizard is a bad guy. She can tell everyone that Madam Orbel is a murderer. She can tell everyone that. Because y' all forget what they're doing to these animals. The animals are not animals. They're humans.

[A]

Yeah. Oh, no. Humans.

[C]

They're citizens.

[A]

Citizens. Yeah. He was running from mayor or something.

[C]

He's basically running ice raids on the animals, keeping them locked up in his. In his alligator Alcatraz.

[A]

Which. Why?

[B]

Why?

[A]

Why do they not like animals?

[C]

Because you need a scapegoat. You need someone to blame. It's like politics now. You need someone to blame. Brown people, trans people. Boom. But why?

[A]

What was the problem that they were blamed? Like what? Like, they blamed. There's a drought and they're saying animals are drinking all the water.

[B]

I mean, essentially, there is a drought and, like, things are going bad because of the drought. But instead of, like, pushing it on the government, okay, now I'm doing maybe a little bit more extrapolating. They said there was a drought. The explanation is, there's a drought. We can take from that what we want.

[C]

But that's like. That's, like how they're how they're. I mean, how to. Nowadays, they'll be like, oh, eggs are high. Trans people. This 1% of the population is eating up all the eggs. So it doesn't. It doesn't have to make sense. When you're scared, you want to believe. You want to believe something can fix your problems. Yeah. So you believe it's the animals.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

And those craziest. These animals are. They are your classmates.

[A]

They're doctors.

[C]

They're your teachers.

[A]

Nurses.

[C]

They're your nurses. They are your, like, your professors like. And how quickly. And yeah, that animal. It was nice to see Dr. Dillon come back. At the end, he was like, hey,

[A]

I'm about to say, how long is his voice gonna take to be like that?

[C]

I mean, girl, he was. He was.

[A]

It was like a year.

[C]

Oh, my God, Fix it. He was traumatized. He was probably tortured. Probably. He's the first one they took. Dr. Dillerman was the first animal that they scooped up.

[A]

It's not pointing at me.

[B]

That's not true. Because that's what the song Something Bad is about.

[A]

About.

[B]

It's about how all these animals are getting scooped out.

[C]

He's the first one we saw.

[A]

I love that Jacob is checking you on these music. The other facts that you were just

[C]

spewing around, like, regardless, Dr. Dylan is the first animal we see getting abducted.

[A]

Something bad.

[C]

Something that would be like if your professor was Mexican, and then they came in, took your Mexican professor, and then the next day they brought in a Mexican baby in a cage and was like, this is why Mexicans can't be teaching. Actually. They belong in cages. Honestly, it's better for them and it's better for us if Mexicans are actually in cages.

[A]

I mean, this is kind of what's happening. They're literally taking people's professors and teachers out of. Literally out of classrooms.

[C]

No, it is the same thing they're doing, which is what makes it ooky, kooky and spooky to me. That's crazy. That's why I'm telling you Glenda's bad. When they say something bad happened, they're talking about Glenda. She has the opportunity to fix these things. I don't think Glenda's as strong as people think she is. Glenda is. If Glenda is anything, she is a centrist Republican. She is Marjorie Taylor Greene trying to come back to the good side after Donald Trump got found out. She's a centrist Republican. She's not even a centrist Democrat. She's a centrist Republican.

[A]

I always say centrist. Centrist.

[C]

Okay. You say Gare instead of gear.

[A]

Also, another plot hole. I thought that Elphable was the only one who was magical. So how can Nessa do enchantments?

[C]

And she's not the only one who's magical. Madam Marble's magical as well.

[A]

No, only student that we see because. Right. They're all at the school trying to get powers, but she's the only one that's like.

[C]

Well, I guess we found out that Nessa has a little bit of power, too. I mean, Nessa comes from the same bloodline, except the difference is Nessa was the products of that elixir. The elixir is apparently what makes Elphaba.

[A]

Right.

[C]

The elixir makes Elphaba so powerful. No, it's. No, no. It's because her father is of the real world of our world and her mother is of Oz. So because she's from two different worlds. That's what these are said in the movie. The movie was like. Because her father is from the. From the United States and her mother is from Oz. And these two worlds come.

[A]

Is what made her magical.

[C]

That's what. That's what the musical. The movie said.

[B]

Anyway, one of the things they did differently in the movie, which was maybe a weird choice, is that. But in the musical, it's just a book. And she's opening the book. She's doing her best she can to read. And Elphaba can kind of do it better than other people. In the movie, the book opens up and does a full thing. And it only does that for some people at some time, which makes it a little bit more weird. So in the musical, it makes more sense that Nessa might open this book and kind of try her best to read it and really mess up that spell that totally kills Box. Whereas in the movie, it's kind of weird that the Grim Reed just chooses violence and opens up and is like,

[A]

hey, yeah, just let me wrong. And then are we supposed to believe that now her giving it to Glinda. Glinda is not gonna use it. Cause Glenda still can't do power.

[C]

But we can't tell at the end if the book's opening because of Glinda, if it's opening because of Elf, because it kind of shows Elf at the same time. So the book opens. We don't know if Glinda's opening the book. We don't know if Elf was opening the book. We don't know who opened the book that one time. But something magical Happened because the book lights up. Right. Also, Nessa not a good person.

[A]

Oh, she's bad.

[C]

Not a good person.

[A]

But in the stage show, is she a good person?

[C]

No.

[A]

Okay. Cause in the movie, she's bad.

[C]

No, she's the Wicked Witch of these. And I understand that, obviously, you are a marginalized person. You're the only black person in the whole town. Your sister's probably black. We don't know. Your mom's black. Your mom's black, and she's gone. Your sister might be black. We don't know. And you're black.

[A]

Right.

[C]

That's all we know for sure. Ain't no other black people in town, are there? Other black. There got to be some other black folks.

[B]

Yeah, they're black bunches.

[C]

I see black folks in blacks. All black folks in Oz, too.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

The black Crumpers. When they said one short day in the ring.

[A]

Back crumping.

[C]

But yeah, the gaggy part is like, obviously, Nessa had some bad stuff happened to her. They used her disability against her several times in the show. Her demise was not justified, even though she was a bad person. I don't think she deserved to be crushed by a house and have her personal property stolen off of her body.

[A]

Yeah. And then. Okay, so. Cause now connecting the worlds of the wizard of Oz, Wicked. And the Wiz. So.

[C]

And Oz, Great and Powerful.

[A]

I never seen that with Mila Kunis.

[C]

Is it Mila Kunis with Mila Kunis?

[A]

I've never seen that.

[C]

I liked it. Am I the only one who liked.

[B]

Yes.

[C]

Oz, Great and Powerful. Yeah.

[A]

So who's Atteperl? Atteperl. So in the Wiz, that's written by who?

[C]

The Wiz? I don't know who wrote the Wiz. I know that the movie Quincy Jones did a lot of work for the movie, but I don't know who wrote the.

[A]

The book by William Brown. Okay.

[C]

I will say if you watch. If you read the book, the wizard of Oz. Have you read the Wonderful wizard of Oz? No. So the Wonderful wizard of Oz by L. Frank. Frank lbaum. L. Frank Bomb. L. Frank Baum. I read it when I was. When I first moved to it, I was, like, obsessed with reading classic. I was like, I haven't read, like, a lot of these classic novels. I never read Catcher in the Rye. I never read wizard of Oz. I never read a lot of these shows. So I'm gonna read Yell Frank Bomb. Like Elphaba. So I want. So I was like, let me. Let me read the wizard of Oz. Gruesome. Book.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

The Tin man is a mass murderer. Horrible. Like, he kills for fun. But I will say this. The Wiz, the actual stage play is not. The movie is much closer to the book than anything else. So the Tin man became the Tin man because his axe was enchanted. And every time he would swing it, a piece of his axe would, instead of hitting the tree, would just hit him. Because. Because the Wicked Witch enchanted his axe. So he swing to hit a tree, hit his leg instead. Swinging a tree, hit his other leg.

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And. And. And the parts of.

[C]

And he was replacing each part with 10.

[A]

Got it.

[C]

And eventually he replaced his whole body because he. He accidentally cut up his whole body. I don't know why he wouldn't stop after you lost your second leg.

[A]

Right.

[C]

Personally, but he. But he has to make money, I guess.

[A]

So is Adapro in the original thing or is this someone that Adapro is

[C]

not a character in? L. Frank in. In the wizard of Odd that I remember. I mean, I haven't read it in probably 17 years. I read in 2008. So it's been a hot minute. But Add a pearl seems to be, if I recall correctly, some kind of a mixture of the Glinda, the Good Witch, and the Good Witch of the North.

[A]

Okay, so there's so. So there's a. So there's a directional witch for every. There's a south witch, a east witch, a northwest, and the West.

[C]

Yeah. And. And if I recall correctly, when they kill the Wicked Witch of the east of the west, they're not done. They have to keep going on their journey. There's, like, more stuff to do.

[A]

Got it.

[C]

There's like, a world where everyone's made of, like. Like porcelain. So why there's bears that look like spiders. There's parts. Bear parts.

[A]

Why would we make these movies?

[C]

I mean, because I think maybe because the original wizard of Oz is really creepy. Like, there are these better. These bear spiders in there. There's these porcelain people. There's. Then they have to go to, like, another witch's castle to do, like, something else with another bip bop boo.

[A]

I don't think Hollywood is. Is shy of making creepy movies like, creepy movies. There are a lot of creepy movies. Like, why not?

[C]

But. But, but not. If you're trying to market it to children. A lot of things that are like children's stories end up not really being children. They make them into children's stories. You know what I mean?

[A]

They come a little sugar on it. Just like they did the wizard of Oz.

[C]

Yeah. Which the sugar was getting rid of all the creepy stuff and they left some creepy stuff. Obviously the wizard of Oz isn't completely uncreepy, right? I mean, even a lot of scary books. Like, you ever read Misery?

[A]

I didn't read them.

[C]

Spoiler alert.

[A]

Seen the movie?

[C]

Spoiler alert.

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Which is some of Kathy Bates best

[C]

work in the book? She is. You think she's crazy. You think she's crazy in the. In the movie.

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I'll show you crazy.

[C]

In the book. She. At one point, she. So, you know, she hobbles him. In the movie where she puts a two by four between his legs and she hits his ankle with a hammer. In the book, she chops off his foot and then she caute rods the room with a blowtorch while he's still awake, like, takes a blowtorch. He is missing the foot. Completely missing the foot. At one point, she chops off his thumb, puts it in a candle. He's dazed and can no text. He's dazed and confused. She chops off his thumb, puts it in a birthday cake, and then she goes, if you're not good, I'm gonna make you eat the special candle.

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Yeah, she's wild.

[C]

Yeah. Her name. What's the character's name? Let's see if I can remember before Jacob finds it. Her name is Amy. No. Yeah. Annie. Annie Wilkes.

[A]

Annie.

[C]

Annie Wilkes doesn't like the cockadoody cursing.

[B]

She.

[C]

She hates swearing.

[A]

Paul Sheldon. What was that actor's name? That guy at the top there? James. James Caan. What else was James Caan in?

[C]

He's been a lot of stuff.

[A]

I know he's been in a lot of misery. The Godfather. I've never seen the Godfather.

[C]

Have you ever?

[A]

There's classical movies I need to watch, like the Godfather. Never seen.

[C]

You ever seen Beloved? No, you gotta see Beloved. There's not a lot of movies with Oprah in them. You gotta watch every Oprah movie. You got to watch the Oprah movies. Oprah. I just watched Oprah's podcast with the

[A]

one about going no contact with your family.

[C]

I was like, oh, shit. If Oprah has a podcast.

[A]

Oh, yeah, it's good.

[C]

Yeah, it is good.

[A]

She didn't want to bow psychedelics, which. That's how I found out about it like a couple months ago.

[C]

Does Oprah do mushrooms?

[A]

No, she does not. But she believes in the power of mushrooms and psychedelics.

[C]

Oprah believes in everything. Oprah's so middle of the road. She's like, yeah, do it or don't do it.

[A]

No, I Think Oprah is of the school of thought of if it brings you joy and it helps you cope with life, go for it. Now, if it's bringing harm to you, I would consider that, and I would maybe not do it. But if doing psychedelics helps you to get to a higher place, also, it's also decent people who. This. The guy who wrote the book how to free your mind or whatever it is, he's done a lot of research and work into, like, how psychedelics and mushrooms and acids and LSD specifically work with your brain chemistry to whatever. And I think. I think once people have scientific data, she's like, oh, I can understand this.

[C]

Did you watch the one about going no contact with your parents and your family?

[A]

No, I did not.

[C]

She was like, I'm not on anybody's side.

[A]

She's what?

[C]

I'm not on anybody's side one way or the other.

[A]

Got it.

[C]

Would you ever go, do you have any. You have any family members you go, no contact with?

[A]

Not anymore. I would have gone contact with my.

[C]

No contact.

[A]

No contact with my birth mother. But I think we're. You know, I'm interested in figuring that out. I don't think no contact is the answer.

[C]

I have two uncles that I'm no contact with.

[A]

You do. Honestly, would you ever want to get contact with them where you're like, you're good?

[C]

No, I'm good.

[A]

You're good?

[C]

I am good on that one.

[A]

Do you think it might change in the future? You're like, your feet. Heels in the same.

[C]

Is that what I know about them? Probably not. You know what I mean? If they were. If I had any notion that they were the kind of people who can change, then maybe. But based on what I know about them, not these two. Not these guys. And I have a lot of uncles and aunts, so I'm good. I have a lot of uncles and aunts, and I'm actually to the point now where I'm gonna be like, I would never tell my family to choose between me and them, but if they're

[A]

there, I'm not coming. Got it?

[C]

I think I'm there for sure, actually. I was there. I did it recently. We were like. I was like, I'm not coming home if he's there.

[A]

Word. And he was there.

[C]

He was there. Yeah.

[A]

Work.

[C]

I was like, I'll see you at a different time.

[A]

This is for the holidays, the family reunion. Oh, the one in July.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

That you uninvited me to.

[C]

I univited myself.

[A]

I.

[C]

You could have still gone I didn't invite you. I never said you can't go. That was never.

[A]

You said, mon, if you go and. And this person said, and I will not talk to you. That's what you said.

[C]

Not true. Okay, well, did I text you or I said out loud.

[A]

You said it out loud.

[C]

Let me guess. In a private room? Whenever else?

[A]

No, we're here in the studio and

[C]

everyone else left the room.

[A]

No, Nate was here, but he's like the one person who's not here today.

[C]

Muy interestante.

[A]

Anyway, this has been a great podcast. Can we. Are we done talking about Wicked?

[C]

Not for good. And on that note, thank you for coming on my show. Bye, everyone.

[D]

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