The One About Cringe

Summary

Sibling Rivalry: "The One About Cringe"

Release Date: October 1, 2025
Hosts: Bob the Drag Queen and Monét X Change

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Episode Overview

In this highly entertaining episode, Bob and Monét dive into all things "cringe"—from the things that make them personally uncomfortable, to internet cringe culture and the heated debates around language, identity, and generational attitudes. They also veer into personal territory, debating old arguments about hanging out, home ownership, and condiments, and share thoughts on spirituality, race, and family heritage. As always, their rapport is quick-witted, brutally honest, and intensely hilarious, peppered with cutting remarks and moments of surprising vulnerability.

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Key Topics and Discussions

1. Home Ownership, Neighbors, and Personal Drama (03:00–07:00)

• Monét and Bob poke fun at each other's housing situations ("You own the sky" vs. "I own land") and share stories of neighbor drama, including possible "Russian spies" in Bob's building.
• Discussion about a neighborhood incident involving a break-in and neighborly interactions, blending humor with subtle jabs.

Notable Quote:
"You should never feel welcome in my home. I don't ever want you there." — Monét (06:59)

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2. Miscommunications and “Cringe” Friend Habits (07:01–13:00)

• Bob and Monét revisit a recent miscommunication about hangout plans—one waited, the other didn’t clarify intentions—fueling a classic back-and-forth about emotional labor and responsibility in friendships.
• The duo reflect on what habits drive each other crazy, like coming into someone's space loudly talking on the phone.

Notable Quote:
"That is the craziest thing you can do, is to walk into a space, people loudly talking on the phone. That is crazy to me." — Bob (12:00)

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3. Language Learning, Spanish Class, and Cultural Perspectives (13:58–20:00)

• Monét shares her enjoyment of taking Spanish classes, citing a desire to connect more deeply with others and a polyglot’s advice: stop translating, just let words mean themselves.
• Discussion on language politics, including gender-neutral terms like "Latinx, Latine, Latin."
• Bob highlights how some reactions against "Latinx" are conservative talking points infiltrating liberal spaces.

Notable Quotes:
"Stop translating—just make the word be the word." — Monét (16:10)
"The desire to not use Latinx is apparently a conservative talking point that has snuck into liberal spaces." — Bob (18:15)

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4. Pronouns, Identity, and Internet Debates (20:28–28:00)

• They delve into the topic of pronouns—Is it cringey to ask someone's pronouns?—and both agree that asking is respectful, not cringey.
• Bob describes the phenomenon of conservatives feigning ignorance about pronouns, and references Jovan Bradley’s “pronoun buzzer” on TikTok.
• They explore how language around identity evolves and sparks debate, referencing the rollout of terms like "African American".

Notable Quotes:
"If you're existing or talking... you're using pronouns throughout your day." — Monét (23:00)
"Instead of saying, ‘I don’t use pronouns,’ maybe the more accurate thing to say was, ‘I do not prefer to respect people's pronouns.’" — Bob (22:40)

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5. Heritage, Labels, and Identity (28:00–36:30)

• The hosts debate the meaning and utility of racial and cultural labels such as "African American" and "West Indian American,” referencing Raven-Symoné’s infamous Oprah interview.
• Bob emphasizes the specific cultural richness of African American heritage and challenges assumptions about "direct connection" to ancestral lands.

Notable Quotes:
"My heritage is in Mississippi and Alabama... I don’t feel a need to push further back." — Bob (35:18)
"Unlike you, I know my heritage." — Monét, teasing Bob (32:07)

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6. Internet and Cultural “Cringe” (36:43–45:00)

• The duo finally zone in on the main theme: what is “cringe” and why does it fascinate them?
• Bob admits to loving intentionally cringe content on TikTok, especially cosplay and anime-inspired bits, and describes the difference between intentional and accidental cringe.
• They discuss reposting “cringe” content and acknowledge the ethics of laughing at people who may not be in on the joke.

Notable Quotes:
"There are content creators on TikTok who only make cringe content." — Bob (37:39)
"I genuinely love cringe content." — Bob (39:39)

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7. Social Media Generations and Changing Trends (45:00–48:00)

• Bob and Monét reminisce about MySpace, Facebook, and the coding struggles of early social media.
• Discussion of how religious content--like baptisms—shows up in social feeds based on location and background.

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8. Religion, Music, and Black Culture (48:03–54:47)

• Bob and Monét highlight cringey and non-cringey aspects of Christianity and gospel culture, noting which elements (like public baptisms or “God first in bio”) feel authentic or performative.
• The hosts bond over favorite gospel singers (Le’Andria Johnson) and discuss Monique’s comedy, queerness in Black entertainment, and the impact of openly queer comedians in Black spaces.

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9. Rapid-fire: Cringe, Food, and Petty Rivalries (54:52–end)

• They joke about “cringe” food habits—most notably, Monét’s habit of reheating Bob’s nachos or loving mustard (while Bob literally can't stand it).
• A playfully absurd debate ensues about whether liking mustard is genuinely about taste or just trolling.

Notable Quotes:
"Reheating my nachos is cringe." — Bob (37:17)
"If I get a sandwich and it has mustard on it, I would rather go hungry." — Bob (58:02)
"A green apple with mustard." — Monét, defending the combo (60:09)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments (with Timestamps)

• "You should never feel welcome in my home. I don't ever want you there." — Monét (06:59)
• "That's my supermodel, and she will always be my supermodel." — Bob (26:38)
• "That is the craziest thing you can do, is to walk into a space, people loudly talking on the phone. That is crazy to me." — Bob (12:00)
• "Stop translating—just make the word be the word." — Monét (16:10)
• "Cringe content creator is a full genre." — Bob (39:39)
• "If I get a sandwich and it has mustard on it, I would rather go hungry." — Bob (58:02)
• "A green apple with mustard." — Monét (60:09)

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Quick Index to Important Segments

• Home Ownership & Neighbor Talk: 03:00–07:00
• Friendship Drama & Communicating Needs: 07:00–13:30
• Spanish Class & Language Politics: 13:58–20:00
• Pronouns & Internet Discourse: 20:28–28:00
• Heritage & Identity Discussion: 28:00–36:30
• Internet Cringe & TikTok Trends: 36:43–45:00
• Early Social Media Nostalgia: 45:00–48:00
• Religion, Music, and Queerness in Black Spaces: 48:03–54:47
• Cringe Food Habits & Petty Arguments: 54:52–end

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Episode Takeaway

This episode perfectly encapsulates the chaos, chemistry, and keen cultural commentary that Bob and Monét bring to the table. They spin threads from “cringe” culture into broader conversations on friendship, identity, and pop culture—with confessional moments and punchlines that remind listeners why they're a must-listen duo.

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For listeners, you’ll leave with a few laughs, an urge to avoid mustard, and maybe some questions about your own “cringe” habits—plus a head full of references only true Sibling Rivalry fans can decode.

Transcript

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Start your free [e-mail]. my name is Bob the Drag Queen,

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and I'm Monet x Change.

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And this is simply rivalry. On this week's episode, we talk about the Russian spies living in my building.

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We talk all about cringe.

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And we find out what made Monet say this.

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You should never feel welcome in my home. I don't ever want you there. And we find out what made Bob say this.

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That's my supermodel, and she will always be my supermodel. How are you today?

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I'm being. I'm blessed and highly flavored. How about you?

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I'm okay. I feel pretty good today.

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But you have grays in your beard. That's so cute.

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I'm almost 40. Whoa.

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It's like a whole.

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It's like a whole. It's a whole family of them. Well, I don't use just for men, so.

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But you do use Rogaine.

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I don't use Rogaine.

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Don't you have to for the.

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No, I use something else.

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Are you allowed? Are you saying you see how you did?

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How I did with your procedures?

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Yeah. You see how you did with it? It was epic. How you fucking Brooklyn Heights my shit.

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I didn't go on a podcast talking about it, but it doesn't matter. On a podcast talking about it doesn't matter. It does matter.

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You still get my visits out.

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It certainly does matter.

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After I told you that no one knew.

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You did not say that. That is not what happened. You are mixing.

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Brooklyn's gonna be here tomorrow, so we'll get it together.

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Oh, we can call Brooklyn Lyons right now. Don't to my breast. Do not touch my breast.

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Did you go for the cone breast because of your love for Madonna or this was a Patrick Howell decision?

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Rita has cone breast.

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Does she?

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Yeah.

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Okay. I haven't seen Rita in so long.

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This is pretty. This is pretty.

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I don't.

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I don't know if Rita did it because of Madonna. Make my V grass. Maybe Rita did it because of her, but yeah, Rita has cone breast. You know, can I Tell you. Pretty accurate recreation, to be honest.

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It's. Yeah, it's pretty accurate. Did you have the staff to remember?

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There was a staff, but it broke. It was so big, and it was so cumbersome, and then it broke, like, immediately. It didn't even make it to the show.

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I'm about to say I don't remember you.

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You.

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I don't remember you using it on the show.

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It broke. You remember how your Seth broke.

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Okay, wait. Okay, so Bob is wearing his ruder puzzle costume. This is from the Civil Rivalry Tour, September 22nd.

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Maybe I can't.

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Yeah. Cause you did Madonna. Yeah, September 22nd. Because it was around the time I bought my house.

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We get it. You own a house and you want a condo landowner.

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You own a condo. I know. Yeah, you are. You. You own the sky.

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No, I own this guy.

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And you.

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What do you own?

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I own land. You own this guy because the person under you owns the land. Nigga, you own this.

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To be clear, I own my condo,

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and you own the sky.

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And it is in Hollywood when you live in the subs.

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I live in the suburbs, and I am happy about it.

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The subs.

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I am happy about it.

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Living in the subs. Overjoyed with people breaking in your backyard. Safe subs.

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No one said it's about safety. You're assuming it's safety. I didn't say about safety.

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You literally will.

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People be shaking, niggas.

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Exactly. But no one's broke into my home.

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Well, you own the sky.

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None of my neighbors have threatened my partner with a gun.

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She owns. No one is threatened. Who threatened my partner?

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A guy waved the gun at Andy.

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No, he did not.

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Yes, call Andy right now. Yes, that did happen. That's your call, Andy.

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Right now.

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Andy went outside and asked the neighbors to be like, something. And then the guy flashed the gun at Andy. I was literally there. That's not what happened. Call him.

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That's not what happened. Anyway.

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Call him. If you knew it was true, you'd call him.

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When the guy broke into our thing, we screamed. The guy left. And then the neighbors peeked over the fans. They're like, hey, are you guys okay? We're like, yeah, we're fine. They're like, okay, we're coming over. They came over to the front of the. They rang the bell. We opened the door, and they're like, hey. Like is like. What happened was like, oh, we're in the garage. Oh, someone, a homeless guy, tried to come into the garage.

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You assume he was homeless.

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I mean, he had no shoes on. Did you interview him. He was giving houseless.

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He could, he could have been. He could have been a yogi walking around.

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No, what they call him a bogan. A bogan. A bogan, yeah. You know what bogan is?

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Yeah. Bogans are like, they're kind of like the rednecks of Australia and then they

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walk around with no shoes. They'd be at the airports with no shoes on. That shit's crazy.

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Yeah. I'm not going to talk on bogan culture because I'm not a bogan.

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Bogan culture is not a thing.

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I do have a. There. So my, my building is quite friendly. Everyone in my building is pretty friendly, except there is this Russian couple that no one likes. So there's a fat hack who lives upstairs.

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How old is this?

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She's probably my age, maybe a little bit older, a little bit younger. She could be maybe like anywhere between like 36 and 43.

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And she knows you're on Drag Race? She knew you.

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No, I don't think she knows I'm on Drag Race, but she knows I'm a drag queen because I've walked around. You think, you think she knows I'm on Drag Race? Yeah, because she knows one Drag Race photographer.

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She knows what?

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She knows one of the people who shoot the Drag Race girls.

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Oh.

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So anyway, I just run into her. I like her. She, she owns the penthouse in the building.

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What she look like?

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She's a Dominican. Brown skinned Dominican woman. Like, she, she's, she's, she's maybe Zendaya's color. Yeah, she's stunning. Really, really fit. I think that she like runs a Botox clinic. So she's. The face is done, but it's really good. And she's always looking for a new Botox dog.

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Why don't you go to her?

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I was looking for a new bottle guy one time when my Botox guy got run out of the city. In New York?

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No, no, the guy, you know, the guy used to use hair. You stop using when I went with you.

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I still go to that place.

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Oh, but you say you didn't.

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I still go there.

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Oh, no.

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But that lady froze me up. And then I went back and they were like, she don't work no more.

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Got it.

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But I went back there recently. Last time I got Botox, I went to her.

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Got it.

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Um, but anyway, I should go to. I should go to her, the lady upstairs.

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That's what I'm saying. Like you said.

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Anyway, her work is nice. Anyway, so she was like, she's, she's from New York. She's Dominican from New York. And she was like, these fucking Russians. And she was like. Because we always got tinted.

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Does she. Does she have an accent?

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Yeah, she has a New York Dominican accent.

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Got it.

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But it's not super thick. It's kind of like by way of la.

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And wait, wait, who got tinted?

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The whole building got tinted. Like termites.

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Oh, like. Oh, so you're not living at.

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No, it's. We're. We're. We're. We're back. It was like three days. Yeah.

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Oh, okay.

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So. And you know this. Cuz we told you. We asked you if we can go to your place, but we end up not going.

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I mean, girl, that was like. That was like. You. You told me. Asked me this, like three weeks ago. And then. But it wasn't immediate.

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It doesn't matter. We ended up. We ended up going somewhere else. We went somewhere. We felt welcome.

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Good. You should never feel welcome. My home.

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And we.

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I don't ever want you there.

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And we didn't. Which is why I declined your invitation last night when you invited me. You want to come over? And I was like, I'm good.

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Yeah, one today. Don't come on that one either.

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I'm. I'm not gonna come anyway. Because yesterday. Yesterday, what happened was Monet, we filmed the podcast and then we played Combio. And then Monet says, I'm gonna be back in an hour. We're gonna hang out. I'm gonna come back and hang out. We're gonna come back. No, let me finish. Let me finish my statement. Monet goes, we're gonna come back. Cause we were finishing up Combio money. I was like, I have to run home and do something. And then I have to come back and do Mon. And then I'm gonna be back. We're gonna hang out. We'll finish Combio. And I said, okay. So I waited around. Cause I was done with my work. I was literally over here playing League of Legends with Jacob and Tao. And I was like, you know what? I'm gonna. And Jacob was like. I said, I'm gonna wait for Monet. Then Monet came back and was like, I have to go. I said I was gonna hang out, but not with you is what you said.

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So that's not what happened. So after we finished. After we finished doing the podcast, Bob was like. I had like. Like, I was like. I said, let's play Combio. Bob was like, oh, I only have half an hour. I have therapy at one o'.

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Clock.

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I was like, oh, that's fine. We can play.

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We're playing a game, playing therapy. What else do you wanna.

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You literally talk that you, you do therapy on the podcast.

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What else do you want to reveal about my life? Anyway, you grab my breast.

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We're playing the game. And then time to play the game.

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Can you name where this from?

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No idea.

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It's triple H from WWI. It was his interest music.

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And then at like 1:59 or 12:59, like, oh, wait, I, I, I, I can, I can play some more. I don't have therapy since 2 o'.

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Clock.

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It got magically therapy again. This is crazy.

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And then we're like, okay, so we finished.

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He had something to do.

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So we finished playing the game and then we finished. And then Bob was like, well, I don't have anything to do until 2. I was like, well, I have to run home. I was like, I have to get some stuff done. Cause I have Scott Evans. Monet talks at 3.

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Oh, I didn't say. But the Russians continue. Go ahead.

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And then I said, I want to come back. I can hang out later. I didn't say, I didn't say with you. Or where. I said, I can hang out later. I didn't say I can hang out with you. I did not say. I never said we can finish become. Because we finished playing the game. What I said was, I can hang out later.

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Jacob, what do you remember happening to the best of your memory? Monet said we were gonna hang out later. Yeah, we were gonna hang out later.

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I said, I said, I said, I can hang out later. I didn't say we.

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So you, so you left to tell me that you're gonna hang out with other people. You were like, no, no, no. Because when you came back. No, wait, I came back and you said, I didn't say I would hang out with you. I said I was gonna hang out.

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I said I could hang out later. So that could have been with Jacob.

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So you. But you didn't hang out with Jacob.

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You left. I hang out with Jacob.

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So who were you hanging out with? Wait, no, I was gonna say I feel like your audience doesn't know that you share. Oh, we're in the same building.

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Bob Studio is here. And my, My Monet Talk studio is literally. How many feet would you say that is? I'm really bad at feet.

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Maybe 200ft? No, maybe 150.

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I would say 125. I think it takes 100. It takes 125. No, I think it takes 75.

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Your feet. I would say your feet three he on the toe. But you did say, we're gonna hang out. You said, we're gonna hang out later. And then you came and said, I did say hanging out with you. Did I say we were gonna hang out?

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Did I say finish?

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Did I say we're gonna hang out?

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Did I say finish?

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Come out. Maybe not. I did not. So you agreed we're gonna hang out.

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You're adding shit.

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But you did say, we're gonna hang out.

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I can hang out later. That's what I said.

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So you were just telling me you're gonna hang out with other people? You're such a liar. We all know each other. Rose pointed out that you lied. The fans pointed out that you lied. I know that you lied.

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My intention was to hang out with you, but I will say what I said was, I can hang out later. Yes, my intention was to hang out with you, but I did not say that. I said I can hang out later is what I said. You lies anyway.

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And what would have been nice if you'd have been like, you know what I realized now that since you. When you realize that you couldn't hang out, being like, since Bob is over here waiting around to hang out with me, it'd be nice to be like, hey, actually, something came up. But he said you walked in and go, I never said I was gonna hang out with you. I said I was gonna hang out. I have to go to the bank, and I'm going to the bank. When I sit around and waited for you. Well, it would have been nice.

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Okay, if you sat around waiting for me, you should say, how about you say this like, hey, Monet, I really sat around. I really. I sat here and waited for you. Like, can we, like, explain that to me? But I cannot predict you. I don't know what is going on in your situation. You have to say that now.

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So now it's on me because you didn't communicate.

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But if there's something that is going to be bothersome to you and it's troublesome to you, I think you can communicate your feelings about that to me.

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I am communicating that to you. And I told you yesterday, I told you in a moment, I said, you said you're going to hang out and

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then not say, I, I waited to hang out with you.

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And then your response to you saying you're gonna hang out was, I said I was gonna hang out. I didn't say with you, I have to leave. That's exactly what happened.

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That's what I said. But I But you did not communicate that. You needed that. You wanted to say that you waited for me. You know what you all.

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But don't let me know what you think. You have all the evidence you need now let me know what you think. Also, something else you did today that drives me. I told. I have told you a thousand times, this drives me crazy is when I do not. Like when people go into someone's space on the phone. That is. To me, that is the craziest thing you can do is to walk into a space, people loudly talking on the phone. That is crazy to me.

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Chicken. What you said.

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Why is your mouth okay? Yeah, sorry.

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This is break.

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Charlie Kirk got shot at an event. Who's Charlie Kirk? Charlie Kirk. Oh, the guy who. The guy who. He's like one of those debaters.

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I don't know.

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He got shot like. Like, like just now. He got shot at an event. Well, I guess y' all are getting a timestamp when we film this, like, shot and killed. I don't know yet.

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Maybe if it couldn't be dead.

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Do you recognize this gentleman?

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He did that thing with Trump. He did something with Trump. I know he's a Trumper.

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He's a Trumper. I don't know if he did something with Trump, but he is a Trumper.

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He did, like a crazy speech at a convention, like some crazy speech. He. I think he was the one that did the speech in Madison Square Garden about Puerto Ricans, I think.

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No, that. No, that was Tony. Tony. Tony kills. Tony kills. Yeah, Kill Tony. That was. Kill Tony. Kill. Tony was the one who said Puerto Rico is a floating pile of trash.

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Yeah, but Charlie Kirk did something at that same event. I think he was part of the whole situation.

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I don't know if he did, but I know that he is a Trumper. But he got shot.

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Well, is he dead? Did you find out? I don't know.

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I. Yikes.

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Sorry to that, man.

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Yikes. But coming into people's face talking on the phone loud is crazy. Oh, and I've told you that's crazy.

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And you.

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And last time you're like, I don't do that, but now I have camera, so now you can't lie about it.

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Yeah, I did it.

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Why do you.

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What do you think?

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That's susceptible.

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Yeah.

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Doesn't bother me now, you know when you tell me something doesn't bother you.

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You've done things that bother me and you don't care.

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But you know when you say I do them anyway. No, but I'm saying when you Know when you say something doesn't bother you, I have to find out if it bothers you or not.

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Yeah, but you do it all the time too.

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I go into your house on the

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phone talking about, no, I say something bothers me. You do that anyway.

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No, when you say something doesn't bother me, you're like, that doesn't bother me. I'm like, well, we're gonna find out if it bothers you or not. I didn't find out every time. Everywhere.

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Hey, love that.

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Woo. That is. That is so rude. Do you have anything else to say for your behavior in the past couple days?

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No.

[B]

You proud of yourself?

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I'm proud. I'm very proud of myself. I had a good day. I'll tell you how I'm doing my Spanish class. I feel very fulfilled. When I leave my Spanish class. I feel like, you know what? Also, I just, I love school. I realize I like school. I like going to a class and doing an assignment and staying up late and doing my homework, maybe because I haven't done it in so long. So I'm like, oh my God, it's like a new thing. Maybe in like a next month I'm gonna be like, ugh, ugh. That's fucking annoying. But right now I'm really enjoying myself.

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Why do you want to take Spanish classes?

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Because I want to get better at speaking Spanish. I think. I feel like I go to a lot of Spanish speaking, I think not even Spanish speaking countries. I think in America, I think two things. One thing, Americans, I don't think as a whole, like, value, like speaking of the language, another language. Even though a lot of people in this country do speak another language, I think it's something that's not like a priority for Americans, you know what I mean? And I would like to be better at that. And I just think Spanish is a pretty language and I want to go to Spanish speaking country. And yes, I can. Like, I know enough to kind of.

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If I hear a wall of words,

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I can piece together kind of what I think they're saying with like two or three of the words. I understand. Let's take a break. I'll tell you more about my Spanish. Close your eyes.

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Exhale.

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Feel your body relax. And let go of whatever you're carrying today.

[C]

Well, I'm letting go of the worry that I wouldn't get my new contacts in time for this. I got them delivered free from 1, 800 contacts. Oh my gosh, they're so fast.

[B]

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[C]

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[A]

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[B]

And what's your goal for us for Spanish speaking?

[A]

I want to be proficient. I want to be able to hear a sentence and understand it and reply and reply and something that I was watching this woman who's a polyglot, she speaks, like, fucking, like, 14 languages, which is insane. And she was saying. She was like, a big should. Like, the biggest tip I can offer to people who learn another language is like, she's like, stop translating. He's like, don't let. Like, don't say manana and think morning. Maniana should be just like. You shouldn't be transiting your head. The word just has to be the word. I was like, oh, I never thought about that way. I normally, like, I hear the word and I'm like, oh, she's saying, I

[B]

thought mana was tomorrow.

[A]

It's tomorrow and morning.

[B]

Tomorrow and morning.

[A]

Yeah, so, like.

[B]

So I say tomorrow morning.

[A]

Say it again.

[B]

How do I say tomorrow morning, man? Like, tomorrow morning. Like, I'll meet you tomorrow morning.

[A]

What we're trying to say, like, I'll

[B]

meet you tomorrow morning.

[A]

Like, hey, hasta manana in la maniana.

[B]

Hasta manana in la mana. I'll see you tomorrow in the. In the Mara.

[A]

In the morning.

[B]

I'll see you the morning in the morning.

[A]

Hasta manana in la manana.

[B]

Hasta manana in la mana.

[A]

So. So. So, right. So instead of me saying my head, okay, I'll see you in the morning, I should be saying just like, hasta manana should just. It should just be that she said, that sounds like it's not hard, but, like, for your brain to think about like, that. I'm like, oh, yeah, like, stop. Like, just make the word be the world. Like, I don't say I eat ass. I'm like, I. Like, I. I know what that is. I'm trying to get to that.

[B]

Do you know how it ass in Spanish? Comerculo.

[A]

Who?

[B]

Comerculo. Como I. Ass, Honey, you can say. You don't have to say yokoma. You don't have to say, like, well,

[A]

right now I'm in school, so I'm like, all, like, proper. And you know what I mean?

[B]

Well, I guess. I mean, I have not taken Spanish classes in a very long time. I took about seven years of Spanish all together, and I. I took four years in high school, and I took three years in college. No, two Years in college, I took six years of Spanish all together. And I, I remember from the beginning they're like, you don't have to say yo, yo, yo hablo. You can just say, you don't have to say yo hablo espino, but you can. And we spent like a lot of time conjugating verbs. Like a lot of time conjugating verbs. Do, do Hispanic people have the, Is it. The Spanish speaking countries have the war on pronouns?

[A]

I don't know. Because you, you ever been online and you say Latinx and like they're like, please.

[B]

So I've actually done, I mean, I'm not Hispanic, I'm not from Latin America, but I've done a lot of research into the Latinx conversation and apparently the, from what I'm hearing on the Internet, the desire to not use Latinx is apparently a conservative talking point.

[A]

Really?

[B]

Yeah, that has, that has snuck into liberal spaces. But a lot of conservative talking points in general are just sneaking into liberal spaces in like across the board. Like as far as like purity culture is sneaking into conservative to liberal spaces. The, the desire to have people cover up their bodies and not talk about their sex life, to hide their kink, to hide their, their gender, their sexuality. A lot of creeping into very, very liberal spaces. And I find it genuinely very concerning.

[A]

So as it pertains to Latinx, like, where did you see, where would you read that? Who, who said that?

[B]

It was a paper. Maybe I can find it, but it was like a paper I read about how like design. The desire to not use Latinx is, is a conservative Latin talking point that has now become a liberal, that has now navigated into liberal spaces for. Because there are a lot, there are lots of people who are Hispanic who are. Or who speak Spanish or from Latin America were like, I do not want to use the masculine pronouns. I don't want to call myself Latino. I do not want to call myself Latino.

[A]

What I say then. But the, on the other side, what I, because I asked, I did a thing on Twitter asking about it. People like post like a lot of articles and stuff on the, on the tweet I asked, I was like, genuine question. Are people offended by the use of la of Latinx? And then they were like, a lot of them were like, yes, like if you want to like the, the, the equivalent for they. Them in Latin would be just Latin. Instead of saying Latino or, or Latinx, you say Latin.

[B]

And then people say they don't like the Latine. The people saying they don't like that either. Which is like a response to trying to gender neutralize.

[A]

Well, Latin feels like it's just neutral because it's L, A, I, T, L, A, T, I, N. You're not using O R. You're not using the O or the ah. Well, I mean, but I'm not. I'm not. I don't speak. I mean, I'm trying to learn.

[B]

Should I ask Betty? Who? My neighbor, Lisa.

[A]

Acid Betty.

[B]

I was like, she's the Dominican lady upstairs.

[A]

Got it. Wait, Jake, was that a commercial? I couldn't tell.

[B]

I think we should just. You should talk close to the microphone, though. I mean.

[A]

Got it.

[B]

I mean, we were gonna. We were gonna transition into this. This guy over here. I. Do you find, like, when people talk about. Do you ever cringe out of people, like, with asking you what your pronouns are?

[A]

Do I cringe at people asking me,

[B]

what are your pronouns?

[A]

No, I don't. Because I think that in this day and age, I up people's pronouns. Like, you know, sometimes I assume you know what I mean? So I think asking is the safest bet. And so if someone asks my pronouns, I don't think that's cringy. I'm not weirded out by that. I think it shows that they're trying, and it's a level of respect. Do you think it's cringy?

[B]

No. I think my phone heard you or someone talking yesterday because I was scrolling through my TikTok and then all of my live feeds were like, debates again. Like, my. My live feeds lately have been like, drag queens doing live shows on Tick Tock. Like, that's been, like, a lot of my drag feed drag artists doing live shows on Tick Tock. That's the live feed that I've been going through. But then lately my phone was like, oh, I heard the word debate. I heard debate talk. And now, like, it's debate talking, like, all over my phone again. Although I do watch. I watch political content pretty much all day, every day. I try to curb it when I'm around certain people because I know some people don't want to be inundated with, why is your mouth open?

[A]

How did we get here? Like, we were talking about pronouns, and

[B]

you went on to wait, well, there's a thread, okay? The needle threads. If you're. If you have a. A monochrome of patience, you'll find it.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

So then I ended up in a debate about pronouns. And the conservative right is, like, at a. Is in a grammar war right now, specifically with pronouns. A lot of them act like they don't know what pronouns are. They're like, what is. We didn't have pronoun.

[A]

We.

[B]

We didn't have pronouns when I was young.

[A]

I'm gonna send Jacob a video to play. But yes, we.

[B]

We knew that a man was a man. And I know the difference. And I'm like, it's. It's crazy to me that people, that people. Maybe people forget where pronouns are. Maybe like people forget the quadratic equation or the Pythagorean theorem, or they forget the, you know, the. The what, what, how to do a. Whatever. They're just straight up forgetting what pronouns are. And instead of saying, I don't use pronouns, maybe the more accurate thing to say was I do not prefer to respect people's pronouns because you use pronouns. Everyone uses everyone.

[A]

If you're existing or talking, I just said to you on Facebook, you're. You're using pronouns throughout your day.

[B]

There's a guy that I'm obsessed with right now named. His name is Jovan Bradley on Tick Tock. And he has the pronoun buzzer. So we ask you when you join his life, he goes, what's your. What's your name? What are your pronouns?

[C]

And.

[B]

And how old are you? And if you say I don't use pronouns, he goes, okay, I respect it. I respect that you don't use pronouns. Just so you know, anytime you use a pronoun, I'm gonna. I'm gonna use a pronoun buzzer. So it's cool that you don't use pronouns, but just. I'm expecting some consistency from you. And whenever you use a pronoun, you're gonna get hit with the pronoun. This is a tick tock live TikTok live. And he also posts his lives as content.

[A]

Got it.

[B]

So I see a lot of his TikTok. It's really. Y' all should check out Jovan Bradley on. He's one of my tick tock. I have a couple of people who are like tick tock friends. And some of them I've met through real life, like Jasmin. Remember, we're tick tock friends who have become real friends in real life. And Jovan and I were gonna be real friends, but then he moved to Florida.

[A]

He was. He's in la.

[B]

He was in Long Island. So when I was in New York, we were gonna meet up and hang out and do a tick tock live together. But then it didn't work out. For whatever reason. I think he was in a play at the Time he was doing.

[A]

He's an actor.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

But I don't think he's like a professional. He just. He just does a community theater and has fun with acting. But he's not like. I don't know that Jovan is actively pursuing active. He was doing Full Monty in Long island at the time.

[A]

Well, you say that. You say Full Monty, and my brain goes to Monty Python, which I'm not the same thing.

[B]

No, the Full Full Monty is a. Is a musical about strippers, about male strippers. But they're like. They're like, not traditional. It's like dads who become strippers, and they become a really popular strip show.

[A]

Is it a comedy?

[B]

Yeah, it's a comedy. Yeah. And the Full Monty is a movie that was made into a musical. And now it's like this whole thing.

[A]

Got it.

[B]

About dads becoming strippers.

[A]

So this is the video.

[B]

Do you think women really want to see dad buys? Are people really into dad bods? Everyone?

[A]

Actually.

[B]

They really are. But then I feel like the people who don't have dad bodies are actually the ones who really.

[A]

Well, I think the scale. There's a. There's a wide scale of that Bods. Like, they're. They're. There's like, you know, a dad bot who is, like, someone who is pretty in shape. Like, they have a nice chest, whatever, but they have, like, a nice little belly. I think that's one end of the spectrum. But there's dad bods who are like, you know, dad's. What's that guy? He always plays a dad in the movie. The guy from the Borrowers.

[B]

Borrow Wars.

[A]

Borrowers. Fred Flintstone in the movie.

[B]

Oh, his name is. What?

[A]

What?

[B]

Wait. John Goodman. I said wait. Wow, that's crazy.

[A]

Like, that's the range. Is that dead bot and is John Goodman. So it's like, are people into John Goodman? But I think.

[B]

I think.

[A]

I think little twinks are into. Sometimes twinks. Like, twinks. Like a daddy body situation. Like a John Goodman.

[B]

The definition of dad bod has changed over the years. I do not. That white people are calling dad bods now are actually dad bods. Like, look at your dad, right? Your actual dad, right? And then look at what you're calling a dad bod. Like, they're calling, like, they're calling, like,

[A]

Heath Ledger when he's not doing Thor, when he, like, has some time off. They're like that. Not Heath Ledger.

[B]

Chris Hemsworth.

[A]

Chris Hemsworth. They call him Chris Hemsworth when he's. When he's on his Break from. For Thor when he. When he's having a few beers a day. They were like that. That's. That's not dead, boss.

[B]

They say John. I mean, it is.

[A]

It is someone's dad's bond, though.

[B]

Is Chris him worth someone's dad?

[A]

Isn't. Doesn't he have. I'm sure he has kids. Yeah. So he is someone's dad.

[B]

Yeah. But yeah. So, for example, Tyra Banks is someone's mom. That's not a mom.

[A]

She's not a mom.

[B]

Is absolutely a mom.

[A]

She has kids.

[B]

Tyra Banks is 100amother.

[A]

She had kids.

[B]

So why'd you speak on it if you didn't know?

[A]

I thought, meaning, like, she didn't have.

[B]

Sounds like nine years. That sounds like nine years old. She had a surrogate, but.

[C]

Yeah. Wow.

[B]

Nine years ago. Well, behind the times. That's my supermodel, honey.

[A]

Behind the LA times.

[B]

That's my supermodel. And she will always be my supermodel. And everyone always drags me. I love Tyra Banks too, but people in there like, she's not the one.

[A]

I mean, wait. Let's wait. Pin entire banks. This. This is a video. Because we're gonna get too far from this. This is a video I saw yesterday with Robbie Hoffman talking about pronouns with Tom. Papa, ready pronouns.

[C]

That's fine. You know, it was real flop. And they tried it.

[A]

It was.

[C]

Yeah. No, it was a flop. It didn't catch. They said it was easy.

[B]

It's not easy.

[C]

And it wasn't. It wasn't. It wasn't seamless. Like they keep saying it seemed. It wasn't seamless. It was seamless.

[B]

It would have happened. Yeah. I, I, I. I've seen this isn't this. Isn't this Gabby, Wendy's partner?

[A]

Yeah. That's her wife.

[B]

So.

[A]

But so Robbie Hoffman is someone you, you know, if y' all don't know, if y are not familiar with the comedian Robbie Hoffman. When you see Robbie Hoffman, you're like, oh, like she's talking about here. Like, she gives they them right. You see her, but she's like big VM energy. Yeah, Big V energy.

[B]

Like Tiga.

[A]

Like Tig.

[B]

You know, T says she gets day them a lot, but really, do you.

[A]

Do you.

[B]

When you see t had her. Had a double mastectomy too.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

Because of the cancer.

[A]

Got it.

[B]

So T got really popular because she did a set the day she found out she got diagnosed with cancer. And then the set got recorded and went public, and it was a huge deal. She went to the to the show and she was going to do her regular set but then she did a set about finding out she had cancer and apparently it was really funny and, but really poignant. It well and I don't think she ever got her breast replaced.

[A]

Got it. So Robbie Hoffman like her, her purple point in this video is like people try to do them things. She's like a flop. It doesn't work. And I think, I think she's, she seems to be advocating, she's not advocating to not I, she kind of is advocating against not using they the route out I think so just using she, she, her and he him. But I think as someone she's cuz she's like people try to put it on me. And she's like it wasn't seamless. The rollout was bad. And I, I, I, I think, I think it's a funny take about, about.

[B]

Well, I think that a not a reason to stop doing the thing. Like I think that obviously as we shift to something new, people are going like the term African American. So the term African American is really new in terms of terms. My brother's birth certificate does not say African American.

[A]

Was it Black?

[B]

Black. My mother's birth certificate says Negro. My birth certificate says African American.

[A]

And you were just you how many years?

[B]

I was born in two years apart. But Justin was born in Mississippi and I was born in Georgia. So there is like a 15 year gap in progress probably. And during that time and I feel like the term African American wasn't really big until the 90s, which is, I want to say Al Sharpton or Jesse Jackson was like really piloting the term African. Can you see who coined the phrase African American? Jacob, like coining this phrase to be like we need to be using this term African American to describe black people in America who are descendants of American shadow slavery.

[A]

But now you see people like, but now all these. You remember that?

[B]

So the rollout was rough.

[A]

Do you remember that that viral video of Raven Simone talking about with Oprah and she's like, I'm not African American, I'm just American. But now this. I think that happened 15 years ago. Maybe that's too far. 10.

[B]

I don't remember.

[A]

But now people are saying it was making its rounds again like maybe last year. And people were saying like actually, actually. Let's take a break. We'll talk about it.

[C]

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[B]

So yeah, it was Jesse Jackson who, who, who, who essentially, I don't know if he coined the phrase, but he was the big perpetuator of getting people to say African American. Yeah.

[A]

And the video is kind of making his rounds again. And people are like, actually Raven kind of ate with this. She was like, cuz Raven's whole point is how long do I have to be living in America to be an American? She's like, she's like, she's like you, she's like, you don't go to the UK and say, I mean, I mean, I don't know, I don't know. But I think her point was you don't go to other countries and say you're, you're, you're black, you're, you're black, you're, you're African British or you're white British or you're, or whatever. She's like, she's like, she's like, you know, she's like my family, we have no ties to Africa. She was like, you know, she, because I think they did her my 23 year genealogy, whatever it is. And as far back as slavery started america and like 400 years ago, she was like, like we go back to that. So she was like, I have no time to Africa. I mean I will go to Africa, but if I go there, I'm not like, you know, there's no, there's nothing tying me this. She's like, she's like, I just want to be an American. And now people are like, it's making us rounds again. People are like, actually like, I kind of feel like that too. Like I don't have a tie there.

[B]

Do you feel like that?

[A]

No, because I have a very big heritage in West Indians. In West Indians, West Indonese. That's why I call myself West Indian American. I mean, I don't say West Indian American, I just go with African Americans. I think people understand that better.

[C]

Etc.

[A]

But using the term West Indian American to describe myself and my family, I feel that because unlike you, we talked about this before, like I, I have a strong tie there. I go back there. I know My family there.

[B]

We.

[A]

You know, we have land and we have things down there. Like what? So fuck you mean?

[B]

I don't like you because we talked

[A]

about this before, and you were like,

[B]

you don't have nothing in the West Indies.

[A]

Right? And you were like, yeah, I understand that. And we did.

[B]

We did a whole podcast about this. You were like, but not unlike you, I know my heritage. That was. Was crazy. Unlike you, I know my heritage is crazy. I know my heritage. I do not say, unlike you, I'm African American.

[A]

And do you have a strong ties to Africa?

[B]

I said I'm African American.

[A]

I'm the same. But same. But with the African part, do you feel.

[B]

I'm just saying I know my heritage

[A]

as a West Indian American. Like, I. I feel powerful using that because I. Because I do have a tie to that.

[B]

But here's the thing, too. Black people aren't indigenous to the West Indies.

[A]

I know.

[B]

So do you.

[A]

It is by way of Africa. But.

[B]

So I'm saying is. So you connect yourself to your West Indian heritage. I connect myself to my African American heritage. Both of us have descendants in Africa. Neither of us have a strong tie to that. So your connection to your West Indian heritage is as valid and as strong as my connection to my African American heritage.

[A]

I'm not saying it's invalid. I'm just ask. I'm asking you what that is.

[B]

What I'm saying is your tie is like, for example, if we trace our timeline, when y' all hit the West Indies, it's probably around the time that we hit America. Hit America.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

So, yes, I do have a connection to my heritage. My heritage is African American, just like you have it. So I do. So the answer is, yes, I do have a strong connection.

[A]

The reason why I feel it's different from my experience, because, like, again, we do. We both have that same tide of Africa, but I do go to the West Indies. Like, I'm super involved in the culture there. I understand the culture. I've been immersed in it. I've lived in it, which in a way that you may not have with Africa.

[B]

Okay, I want to be clear again, I have a very strong connection to my heritage, which is African American. I go back to the South. I still live in America. A lot of my friends are African American. My partner's Haitian, and my other partner's Jewish, but that's beside the point. But, like, my family is African American. I still have very strong ties to my heritage, which is African American.

[A]

No, no, no. But not the American part. I'm saying the African. I'm saying. So when I say that, I'm saying the West Indian part, I'm like, yes, I went to an American, but I was talking about, I have a tie to my West Indian heritage in a way, because I've been there and I live there, and I've, like, been in there. I'm saying. So cutting off the American part of it, the African part of it is what I'm saying.

[B]

But do you hear what I'm saying is why it is odd that my heritage, like, in this conversation we're having. Let's talk about what our heritage is. I am African American, right? Both of my parents are African American. Both of my parents are from America. Both of their. All of their parents are from America. All of their parents are from America. So my lineage, my history is African American. If you go way down the line, we are both African, but it's way, way far back. So, yes, I do have a connection to my heritage, but my disconnect from Africa is the same as your disconnect from Africa.

[A]

Right?

[B]

So I don't understand what you mean. Like, but you don't have a connection to your heritage.

[A]

No, I'm not. I'm asking the question. Because what you're describing is what Raven is describing. She was like. Like, my parents. Parents. Parents. Parents. Parents are American. So, yes, she's African American, but she was like, that's why I kind of. I'm like, I don't feel that ties to the African part of it because I. My experience is that of America. She's like, she's. So she's saying, at what point do you cut off the African part and say I'm American? So that's why I'm not saying.

[B]

I mean, for me, I'm not saying

[A]

that you're saying you don't have. I'm asking, like, with. With. In context of. In context of what Raven is saying, how does that relate to you? You, I, With a similar experience, inheritance.

[B]

I do not share that sentiment. I do not feel like I need to cut off the Africa part from my ethnicity, because my ethnicity is African American. And I'm really proud to be African American. I'm proud of the fact that my heritage is specifically African American on both sides of my family, going back all the way through Mississippi and Alabama, and we are Southerners, and we are like, you know, I am. My. My heritage is in Mississippi and Alabama, and I don't feel a need to, like, push further back. But it is different than you were. Like, unlike you which is what you said. You didn't say. I asked a question. You said. You said, unlike you.

[A]

I think maybe context. Like, I was relating it back to the context of Raven Simone. Like, this is all that. So maybe you misunderstood what I was trying to. What I said about unlike you. Meaning, like, in context of what we're talking about. When I brought up Raven, how that relates to how Raven thinks about her African American heritage versus American heritage.

[B]

Interesting.

[A]

Yeah, very interesting.

[B]

That was crazy.

[A]

Everything's out of fight, girl.

[B]

But that was crazy, though.

[A]

I think that as you're breaking people like. Anyway, moving on. So wait, so back to they. Them. So you don't. So you. So you disagree with. So you do you disagree and hate Robbie Hoffman. You disagree. You hate Raven Simone. Who else do you want to disagree with? With today?

[B]

Yeah, great.

[A]

So what. Give me. Give me some things I disagree with.

[B]

We don't have time. Oh, damn this.

[A]

Saved by the bell.

[B]

This would be our longest podcast.

[A]

By the bell.

[B]

But I already mentioned a few of them at the top of the episode. The things from yesterday and the things from this morning.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

Specifically. But you agree. You. You agree with Robert Hoffman. You hate Babe Emmys, and you agree with Raven Simone. You think African Americans are bullshit. Who else is bullshit?

[A]

You. I think you're a bullshit person.

[B]

Do you want to go through all the things on that?

[A]

I mean, we do not have the time to litigate all the ways you're.

[B]

Stop reheating my nachos, bitch. And speaking of which, that is cringe to me.

[A]

What?

[B]

Reheating my nachos.

[A]

We don't have time to talk about the ways that you are a bullshit

[B]

person, but reheating my nachos is cringe.

[A]

Well, I'm. I'm here in your office. I'm gonna eat your nachos.

[B]

Do you think that reheating nachos is cringe?

[A]

What?

[B]

Do you think reheating nachos is cringe?

[A]

I. I mean, I re.

[B]

You know what?

[A]

In practice, I don't reheat nachos. But when it comes to you to troll you. Absolutely. It makes me so fun for me. What do you.

[B]

What is it about my nachos that you love so much?

[A]

Because it bothers you.

[B]

It really.

[A]

Actually, I love bothering you. I mean, you brought it up on a podcast. Bothering you.

[B]

But I never said it bothered me. I was. I said it's cringe. I didn't say it bothered me, though. But sometimes something's cringe. Like, for example, I genuinely love cringe content. I. There are content creators on Tick Tock who only make cringe content. There's this one British girl who is like an uwu. Like uwu. She's like a uwu.

[A]

Describe it please.

[B]

She plays a Pikmi girl and she puts her sleeves all the way down here and she does this thing and she. It's like a character that she plays. There's another guy. I can't remember his name. Like, so that's a character.

[A]

It's not her actual personality.

[B]

I. Well, she makes so many videos in this character that people are kind of like, oh my God, break character. Like, I can't tell what's real and what's fake anymore. Her whole. Her whole online Persona is specifically making cringy content on purpose to elicit a reaction from the viewers. And I find there's. There's a guy who does theater cringe content who's like the worst actor, you know, who, when you book the gig, that he wants. So I. Or. Or I watched two seasons of the rehearsal, which is essentially cringe checking about this.

[A]

Apparently. It's really good though.

[B]

Yeah, it's great. The whole show is cringe. Like you are cringing while watching the entire show. The Comeback is a cringe TV show. I've watched two seasons. I'm about to watch the third, and the whole thing is a very, very cringe person navigating the world. Tina Belcher is kind of cringe.

[A]

I don't know Tina Belcher from Bob's Burgers. Burgers? Yeah, that's the one with the pink hat.

[B]

No, Tina Belcher is the one who likes butts.

[A]

You know, I've seen that. I've never seen it.

[B]

She's the oldest sister.

[A]

Got it.

[B]

She's not. She's not super cringe. The youngest is kind of like a rebel. And Tina's like, she's really awkward. She's like always having weird moments. So I genuinely. Something. Being cringy does not bother me. I really like cringe content.

[A]

Do you make. Do you make cringe content yourself?

[B]

Sometimes, yeah. I actually made this video in my car and I lost it. It was like. It's like in my drafts on my phone, but I couldn't find it. And it was. It was like this, this tik tok where you. You recreate these laughs and you do different faces as you make the. It's kind of like an anime like, like, like one of those things.

[A]

I don't know what even means that. Another.

[B]

So there's a. There's a thing in anime where they're like doing this and like.

[A]

And it really sends me every time I see it.

[B]

You do something really like in the video to different sounds and it's like. It's like a cringe.

[A]

And the. The whole trend is to be cringe.

[C]

Cringe.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Oh, you're just cringe doing it.

[B]

No, the. The. You have to be cringe doing it. The whole goal is to be cringe. And I. It didn't start from cringe. It started from like these like. Like the kind of kids who do Naruto runs in. In high school. Like the kind of kid who would yell hameyame. While I mean, in an actual fight. In an actual fight. It's like that kind of culture. But then people are now just like making fun of it and doing like, like bits about it basically.

[A]

Got it.

[B]

And I really. I really find them honestly, really, really fun to watch. Something about cringy things. Yeah, there. There's a great cringe,

[A]

but I guess I don't find this cringy. This is cringy. Like, why is it cringey? Because. Because you're. I don't understand what's cringey.

[B]

I think it's cringy because it is indicative of a certain kind of not cool in school. And when you do this kind of cringe, you were the anime kid who would. Who would not have a lot of friends. But then you go on the Internet to find your friends and you find them there, and it's sad that you can't find friends in real life and you find them on the Internet. So it's kind of like a deep. Like I was watching this thing today and it was like. It was like a joke that you have to know a reference that you have to know a joke that you have to know a reference. And like, I remember thinking myself, imagine trying to explain this to someone who like, literally hasn't seen it. You have to know like five jokes and five references to get why the. The joke is actually really funny.

[A]

Yeah, I think I don't get any of the reference to the jokes to why that you've never seen anime thing is funny. It's cringy.

[B]

You never seen an anime kid do that?

[A]

No. Like doing anime faces. No. I've seen people doing Naruto Run or someone saying Kamehameha Mayhow during a fight.

[B]

But it's all from the same. It's all from the same place. I don't.

[A]

I miss. I must have missed this kind of expression.

[B]

Yeah, it's just like a thing that a Lot of cosplayers do it when they're dressing up like their favorite, you know, thing. And, and I, I feel like she's really good at her. She's like a, a cringe content icon on the Internet. She's play her audio. She's, she's one of the she. I'm shy.

[C]

Number two, I use a lot of hand gestures.

[B]

I am obsessed with this video.

[C]

Number three, I'd probably be too busy watching anime.

[A]

Okay, you can pause it.

[B]

I, When I tell you I am obsessed with that girl. She is one of the like, top cringe content creators on Tick Tock. I cannot stop watching her video. She's so hilarious to me. But you have to get the joke to get the joke, to get a joke, to have this other joke to get the joke.

[A]

I guess in the world of cringe, like people who do that stuff. Well, again, but because it's the joke, it's, it's, it's over. It's, it's overacting. Like they're like doing. That's not how people really act. They're like, they're doing the most.

[B]

Yeah, but it's not just that it's overacting. It is, it is like going crazy.

[A]

People don't go, I am, no one really does that. But you're doing a bit.

[B]

Some people do it.

[A]

I'm shy.

[B]

Some people do it for. Yeah, it's kind of like going to a. It's kind of like if you go and see a picture of someone you know on the side of the road and then the comment beneath says the, the caption says, I'm where the trade left me. If you are not, if you don't know the reference.

[A]

Right.

[B]

That doesn't make any sense to you. If you know the reference, it's funny.

[A]

Right?

[B]

Do you know I'm not worth it.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

So you have to get the thing. And then people in the comments will start adding more thing like, hey, puss. And then, yeah, it just go. And then, then you basically see. How far can you go with connecting these obscure references to each other and making them make sense?

[A]

Yeah. Interesting. Yeah, I, I, I, I also, you just, you're way more often torrent trends on Tick Tock. I, I just, I, I'm, I'm never knowing what the, what the. I mean, not never. Some of them I'm like, oh, yeah, I know, but you're way more, I

[B]

mean, this, this trend is not new, but there is some stuff that I find cringy in a way that I do not find enjoyable. But I think when I don't find the cringe particularly enjoyable is usually when the person doing the cringe doesn't realize that they're cringy. Then I find it. Then I find it a little less enjoyable. But I can still find joy in that. Cringe. Cringe for sure. Like, I will. I will like send it. That's the kind of secret cringe I love where I will send that to someone I know. But I would never. I probably would not repost someone being cringe if I don't think they know they're cringe.

[A]

Do you think you're getting baptized as cringy?

[B]

I think it's cringey. I think all Christianity is quite cringy. I think. I think God first in your bio is cringy. God first in your bio cringe.

[A]

I don't think that's cringy. I do think you're reading it, but it's a little cringe because, like you put. I mean, I guess I don't. I'm not on Christian talk, but like, it just. It just seems like such. It's supposed to be like a secret. It's not a secret, but a special moment with you and the Lord.

[B]

Oh, no. Baptisms are quite public. There's nothing private about them.

[A]

I've never posted them online. I've never seen someone post a baptism online unless a baby. I've seen babies, obviously.

[B]

Well, I grew up Baptist. And you didn't have Internet when you were a kid. You've had Internet when I was a kid, but like this way I had an Internet.

[A]

You didn't have social media?

[B]

I had a computer in my home.

[A]

You didn't have social media.

[B]

I also had social media in my home. I had a Facebook. I had a MySpace in my home on my compact computer.

[A]

Facebook was around. What year was this?

[B]

Facebook came out when I was in College and MySpace came out when I was in either middle school or high school. I want to say Facebook one went like public, meaning, like. So when I first joined, how you

[A]

had to be invited.

[B]

When I first joined, kinda when I first joined Facebook, you had to be in college at a college that was.

[A]

So you had to put the school. Yeah, I remember that.

[B]

The edu. So I feel like. Yeah, I feel like I was able to join Facebook in 2004 and I was on MySpace maybe in middle school, but 100 in high school. I've been on social media. I've been on social media for 20 almost, maybe like somewhere around 25 years. I've been on social media.

[A]

I started On Skonex in 9th grade and 9th grade I was 13. 13 minus 35 is 21. Nosebleed 22. So I haven't watched social media for 22 years.

[B]

Yeah, social media's been around for a long time. I mean, millennials have made a social media.

[A]

I'd be like, girl, I remember trying to code a video on MySpace. It was impossible. And it looked like you couldn't see anything. It looked like a fucking smokescreen.

[B]

You were amateur. I mean, my shit was busted.

[A]

Anyone used to have videos on there. They weren't like the best quality. Girl. They were like from a fucking potato.

[B]

Your videos. My videos were bussin'. I had the code down. But also on Facebook, people were definitely posting. Facebook is dead. When people would post their baptisms. And I joined Instagram, Like 2000, 2008, I want to say. But yeah, you would definitely see people posting there. But also our algorithm probably different. I am, I am from a very, very, very Christian place. And almost everyone I went to high school with was either Christian or Buddhist

[A]

because there's a big Vietnamese population.

[B]

Yeah. And maybe a couple of Muslims, but not. We didn't have a lot of Muslims in my high school. So I've definitely seen. But I just find religion for the most part, where there are some parts of religion, specifically Christianity, that I don't find cringy at all. And I find them really awesome and fun and cool.

[A]

Like what?

[B]

Like certain songs. Mostly music is probably mostly music that I, That I really like. This is actually like. This is great. This is like quality, fantastic content.

[A]

Are you a Leandra Johnson fan?

[B]

I don't know.

[A]

That is a great singer. Gospel singer.

[B]

Leandra Johnson.

[A]

Leandria.

[B]

Leandria Johnson. Oh, is she the. The dark skinned lady who does the caliper movies?

[A]

No, that's. No, I don't think she's ever done her.

[B]

Oh, no, I don't know, Swami.

[A]

She has a weird scene that's so interesting. She does this like growl. It's like. So she's. She's. She's epic. She's.

[B]

Is she from Texas?

[A]

I don't know, but she won on my way here.

[B]

Of course, we don't have to play it.

[A]

She won.

[B]

Can you find out where she's from? I feel like she's from Texas.

[A]

She won Sunday. Did you. Did you ever watch the show Sundays Best?

[B]

No, but I know about it. This is where Kim. Kim. Kim Burrell was reading the Judge on there.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

And she was. This is where that one Guy who hated her. He was like him, you. I've been hated you.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

That's the clip I know from Sunday Best.

[A]

She won season three. She's from Florida. Palatka, Florida.

[B]

Oh, Palaka.

[A]

And she won season three of Sunday's Best.

[B]

What do you get when you win Sunday's Best?

[A]

I think you got like back then like a recording contract with a gospel thing and who knows? But she's the most successful. Like she is the most successful winner of that show.

[B]

You don't find all these people cringy. I mean it depends.

[A]

I mean like I said with. I think that, that pastor Marvin Sapp when he told, when he told them to lock the doors, that's cringy. Lock the doors.

[B]

That wasn't cringy. That was just like weird.

[A]

Like, like I think that's cringy. To Houston and telling you, telling your ushers to lock the doors and keep everyone in church like, girl, what the.

[B]

I don't know if that made me cringe as much. That may be like, oh, this feels dark sided but she's on Delta Works podcast.

[A]

I need to watch it.

[B]

Who? Oh, the God warrior. I ran into her recently and I wanted to have her in here but it just didn't work out. I, me and Marguerite Parent have been chasing each other around for a long time. Yeah, she came to, she came to the Madonna tour. She came to see on the stage. No, she just came to Madonna tour and she came to. And she came to, to the Zebulon where I, where I DJ'd. She. I like her a lot. I really like Margaret. She is, I want to know like what's up because she has done a full 180. She is on her dual LIPA tip. She did a full 180. She is not the woman she was before and she is so pro gay. She's. I'm just so intrigued by, by what happened on her journey.

[A]

I think I reading a thing online. Not online or you know, you know. No, there's a TikTok account that like, like his whole thing is like talking about famous reality people from you know, when reality. And she was one of them. I think one of them was her. She had a daughter.

[C]

Her daughter passed.

[B]

Her daughter passed away. But I'm not, I don't, I mean I don't know what happened and I

[A]

think from that like, you know, it served as a. I don't know. She like had like a light bulb moment of passing of a daughter and she wanted to amend a lot of her ways and Blah, blah, blah. I think.

[B]

And she dances all the time online. She's. She seems just really cool.

[A]

Monique is a dancer, too. Monique in the Pandemic. She's have all her dancing videos.

[B]

I remember she was dancing with her trainer.

[A]

With her trainer, or there's a choreographer.

[B]

Was she dancing with the trainer or was she training men? Dancing with. Did she meet up with a new person afterwards? But, you know, she's a good. Mike's a really good dancer. Did you see her dancing? Did you see her doing Beyonce? Oh, girl.

[A]

Everything. It was. This was like right when Crazy in Love was popped off and she hosted the BT Awards and opening them with her and her big girl. She did a crazy love.

[B]

It was amazing.

[A]

Fierce, you know. Sorry about her husband. Stanley. Steve. Stanley someone. The S. Daddy. Daddy. They were best friends for years. Years, years, years, years, years. Besties. And then she had a date with this guy. The guy didn't, like, treat her right or something like that. And then they. Her and Stanley were living together as roommates, like besties. And she came on one night and she was going out to. To meet up with this guy and says, like, when you come back home, like, hit me up. Like. Like, let me know when you come back home. She's like, okay. And she comes back home and they, like, kiss. And then they've been together ever since.

[B]

They really don't. I feel like she talked about having an open relationship publicly.

[A]

No. Well, she did, but I think the thing about people were. People. People were whatever. About the open. When she said that she was queer, that she. She liked me, the dykes, people.

[B]

Like, she talked about her in her Vegas show. I gotta say, when I went to go see Monique in Vegas, it was Alfredo. With Alfredo. Yeah. It was one of the best comedy shows I've ever seen in my life. It was uproariously funny. It. She went there in a way that I have rarely ever seen mainstream black comedians go.

[A]

Meaning what? Like, what went there about what?

[B]

Well, she talked about. She had a lot of talk about how the church is up the black community. And I could see that she lost a lot of the room because it's a black room. And I wanted to put a batter in her back and be like, girl, you go. You go, bitch. Like, don't talk your shit. Talk your motherfucking shit. But then because they respect Monique so much, they were willing to listen to what she had to say. And then I saw people being like, oh, actually, I could see the gears turning and then having them be like, maybe Monique is Talking about something real. I could literally see them coming over to her side and being like. Like, you kind of ate with that. And it was honestly amazing to see. And I was in drag, and then she. She, like, pulled me to the back. She was like, come back here. Like, at the end of the show, she pointed me, was like, they know who I was. It wasn't. She was like, oh, you're Bob the Drag Queen. She was just like, you know, she's a big. Like, I don't know. I don't know if you can call her a hack, but she loves the gays. Like, she, like, she.

[A]

She's like the lady.

[B]

She's very open health. Yeah, she's very protective of. She's very protective of. Of gay people and queer people.

[A]

People.

[B]

So is Adele Givens. Her sister's a lesbian. She has a joke. She go, she was a tom boy, and now she's a tom man. But yeah, she. Adele Givens is. Is. Is like a. Is a big queer advocate, too. You can see when they're talking about their queerness or other people's queerness and, like, being like, I'm cool with it. Sometime audience is like, especially black audiences. But, but, but, but, but, but, but you and I know that you can cultivate a black audience that is very pro. Queer.

[A]

Oh, yeah, for sure. We did it in Brooklyn a month and a half. A month ago. Yeah.

[B]

We've done it over the course of several years.

[A]

Yeah. I'm just giving a recent answer.

[B]

But also, those are queers. Most of those people are queers.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

I'm really curious if you are a

[A]

straight person listening to our podcast. Like, a straight. Straight dudes, because I'm sure we have a lot of straight girls.

[B]

Daryl, if you're watching.

[A]

Yeah, Any straight dudes? Can y' all comment? I'm curious if we get a lot of straight guys listening to this podcast.

[B]

And I mean straight guys. Not because you're a girlfriend or your mom. Mom or your sister. You stumbled upon this podcast independently. You don't know. You don't have no gay brother, no lesbian cousin, no sister hag, no mom who loves gay boy. Just you by yourself, stumbled upon our content. I mean, I feel like maybe from the Traders. I have. I have met people who, like, I have talked to a few people. I talked to a guy on the phone just now, actually, like, literally before we started a podcast who was like, oh, I saw you on the Traders. But he doesn't. I don't think he watched the podcast.

[A]

He randomly spoke to a guy on the phone. What?

[B]

I was. Yeah, I was on the phone. It wasn't. It wasn't random. I was on the phone with someone. Oh, we're trying. I'm trying to set up an interview with this guy who. It's actually really interesting podcast. It's called the Necessary Conversation. And it's this liberal, like a. Kind of like a mid liberal son, a very liberal daughter. And their parents are extreme Trumpers. Like extreme Trumpers. And it's called the Necessary Conversation. And each week they are basically talking about the news and you get to see what it's like when there's a family divided, like a house divided.

[A]

Wait, are you playing, Are you producing this?

[B]

No, I have, I have nothing to do with this podcast. I just listen to it and you're talking to the guy and I want to talk to him. I want to like, interview him about what it's like to happen.

[A]

Oh, I was so confused. I was like, oh, this is. I thought you were telling us about a new podcast you're trying to start cuz you like. Cuz you said you. I was, I was on the phone with this guy. I was like, oh, so he was interviewing you to be. To moderate it. I was, I was confused as to how. How your role was involved in it. How big is this lady's penthouse? Is it like double the size of yours?

[B]

No, it's probably like a third up. She has three patios.

[A]

Three patios? You have two. Well, you have one.

[B]

She has four bedroom, three patios.

[A]

Work.

[B]

And I have one W bedroom and half a path. Yeah, me and Jacob just stay in one bedroom. It's a studio, actually. Nice apartment, but we make it work.

[A]

From New York.

[B]

When. When me and Jacob moved to la, we were in a one bedroom in a house for like six months in Zach's place. Yeah. And honestly, we made it work.

[C]

It was.

[B]

It was kind of popping good. I can navigate through a lot. Like, I really don't need a lot to. To. To. I'm a pretty chill, real person when it comes to, like the things I need. And I'm wondering. Except for approaching shake of bananas when I'm hungry, I do need food.

[A]

I'll be honest. That is the straw that will break the bottle.

[B]

I'll be honest. I need food. I. I try to eat every day.

[A]

Well, there was food. Just didn't. The food you wanted.

[B]

Yeah, yeah. Yes, the food I wanted. You goddamn right the food I wanted. If I get a sandwich and it has mustard on it, I want. I would rather go hungry.

[C]

Hungry.

[A]

It's crazy. Mustard is so good.

[B]

If I get a sandwich, there's mayo on it. I could scrape it off.

[A]

Mustard is so good.

[B]

If I get a taco on there.

[A]

Is it the acidity of the mustard? Like, what is it about the mustard?

[B]

Everything about the way it tastes, the way it smells. It is pungent, it is lingering. Like, for example, if I get a chicken sandwich, I will take the pickles off. The pickles are lingering, but I prefer the pickles not on the sandwich. But I don't care if there's a little pickle juice on there. Mayonnaise, I can scrape it off. I hate to scrape it off of a burger because it's in the crevices and the chicken is in the crevices.

[C]

Is.

[B]

If I get a taco with sour cream on it, I prefer no sour

[A]

cream, but I will.

[B]

I, I will still eat the taco if there's mustard. I'm. I'm like, it's a. I would rather be hungry than eat something with mustard on it.

[A]

I love mustard. Zero calories. That's why I put on everything. I made tuna fish today. I don't use. I use mayo.

[B]

That's not a reason to eat it. That's not a reason.

[A]

I love how tangy it is. There's a thing I know.

[B]

Did.

[A]

Did Thorgy do that fat suit, fat mustard thing for. Because of you? Did she know that?

[B]

What do you mean, because of me?

[A]

Because you hate mustard. What do you mean?

[B]

So you think you was saying I love mustard specifically because I hate. Yeah.

[A]

Y' all had a rivalry on your season. What do you mean? Like, that's shocking.

[B]

First of all, I never said it was shocking. Said it didn't make sense.

[A]

I mean, I don't know. Is she to troll you to be like, I love mustard and Bob hates it, and I'm.

[B]

I'm.

[A]

I know. I'm asking.

[B]

I am in the realm of 100% certain that she just said it randomly, that she just said, I love mustard, mustard out of nowhere. But I don't think it had. I don't think Thorgy even knows.

[A]

I don't think she would. She would have so much beef with you on the show. Yeah. Then we saw how that worked out. So I don't know. Do you.

[B]

I can't tell if you're being like, that was. You were really like a troll.

[A]

I, I generally, I, it would. I wouldn't. It wouldn't surprise me. Like, just like a little, like, a little, like. You know what I mean? That only y' all know because she

[B]

likes something I don't like, but nor

[A]

does she or does she even really like it. She's just doing it to troll you because she knew how she's doing it.

[B]

To troll me. Or do you like mustard?

[A]

I love mustard.

[B]

I mean, it wouldn't be weird if you did a troll me.

[A]

Oh, for sure.

[B]

What do you love more, apples or mustard?

[A]

Okay, a green apple with mustard.

[B]

What time are we at? That's crazy. We have to be better now. That's crazy.

[A]

It's delicious.

[B]

What time are we at?

[A]

This is delicious.

[B]

Do a podcast on one of these.

[A]

Mustard.

[B]

Jacob, tell me what time we're at. I'm in a cr. This is a crazy place.

[A]

Green apple mustard is great. Okay. It's not. Slosh it. You get a little piece of the apple, you put a little mustard or dip it in and bite it. The tangy and the sweet and the sour. Delicious.

[B]

Okay, we got to wrap it up. Thank you.

[A]

Wait, you never had a turkey sandwich on Delta with brie? And they put the. And they put the green apple slices on there.

[B]

That is the thing with mustard.

[A]

Yeah, they put mustard on it, too.

[B]

I've never had that. I've never had that part with the. With. With the. With the mustard on the side. I've not had. This looks disgusting.

[A]

This is delicious. I love it. Love it.

[B]

That look. That looks. What do the comments say? No way.

[A]

It's actually really good.

[B]

And I only had Dijon versions versus your yellow. I actually didn't mind. I actually didn't mind it.

[A]

I don't like Dijon.

[B]

I was like, good, but also maybe not good to me. Go down. Go down off this thread. What does the next comment say? If we get off the thread, how high are you?

[A]

Or I like the aftertaste.

[B]

Oh, the pork chops approved this message. Not gonna lie. I bullied a kid in preschool because he put ketchup on his apple.

[A]

That's crazy. Ketchup on apple.

[B]

I thought this was. What? I thought this was a was from Reddit Weed. Stoner snack. For sure. That scan.

[A]

Ketchup on a mustard on an apple is crazy. Ketchup.

[B]

We have to go. It'll be crazy. We're done. This is this part. We're going on to the. We gotta go, Sam.