Watchery AS 11 Ep 9 "That's What She Said"

Summary

Sibling Rivalry: "Watchery AS 11 Ep 9 - 'That's What She Said'"

Air Date: July 1, 2026
Hosts: Monét X Change & Bob The Drag Queen
Guest: Courtney Act

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Episode Overview

In this lively and shade-filled Watchery episode of Sibling Rivalry, Bob and Monét are joined by Courtney Act to dissect RuPaul's Drag Race All Stars Season 11, Episode 9, with a particular focus on the lip sync impersonation challenge and the drama surrounding brackets and MVQ points. The trio delivers their unfiltered takes on performances, runway looks, game strategy, Drag Race production quirks, and the personal dynamics between the queens—all sprinkled with sharp wit, drag history references, and playful banter.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

Drag Nostrils & The Brick Allegation

(Timestamp: 00:25–02:00)

• Bob & Courtney joke about the epidemic of queens shading away their nostrils through heavy drag contouring.
  • Courtney: "I'm one of the nostril queens."
  • Bob: "You're one of the nostril queens…There's a lot of queens who don't have nostrils. It's an epidemic, some might say." (00:58)
• Humor about being called a "brick" by other queens.

Age, Lifespan, and Australian vs. American Comparison

(Timestamp: 02:00–03:00)

• Brief jokes about midlife crises, Australian twink lifespan, and the benefits of Vegemite and health care.
• Tangent on "living to 150 if you make it to 2030."

Recapping Drag Race All Stars 11, Ep. 9 Drama

(Timestamp: 03:02–07:42)

• The top of the episode finds Kennedy in the lead, sparking bracket discussions.
• Contestants discussed: Joey J, Kennedy Davenport, Don, Crystal, Silky, Akeria.
• Roots/personal sympathies:
  • Bob: "Kennedy's my number one. Joey's my number two."
  • Courtney: "I love Kennedy Davenport…surprised to love Joey J so much." (03:27)
• Points mix-up clarified & the challenge of remembering All Stars brackets.

Courtney's Public Service Drug Story

(Timestamp: 05:31–07:42)

• Courtney comments honestly about having used crystal meth in the early 2000s, details stopping when she witnessed its negative community impacts.
  • Courtney: "I have done crystal [meth], and I've done all of the drugs, and there is no need for anybody to ever do crystal." (07:12)
• Bob: Jokes, "Her drug is controversy."

White Lady Tears & Emotional Perceptions

(Timestamp: 07:42–10:11)

• Bob and Courtney riff on "white lady tears," with Jasmine Kennedy's crying triggering debate about cultural reactions.
  • Bob: "When a white woman's crying, it just makes me angry. I get so irritated…"
  • Courtney: "Is it white lady tears that you're so often confronted with…?"
  • Bob: "White lady tears are dangerous. White lady tears will galvanize people." (09:17)
• Hormones, emotions, and the "president" tangent.
• Commentary on Australian PM Albanese and progressive politics in drag.

Points, Strategy, and the Survivor-ization of Drag Race

(Timestamp: 14:33–16:00)

• Debating Drag Race's shift toward social strategy (points/bracket system) rather than pure talent.
• Bob: "All Stars lately has been a competition about social game and talent, whereas Drag Race is just talent..."
• Courtney: Reflects on uncertainty over the format, wanting the most talented queen to win.

Personal Memories: Drag, Bricks, and Meeting Stories

(Timestamp: 16:00–16:24)

• Bob and Courtney reminisce about meeting in NYC, mistaken identity as Derrick Barry, and doing impersonations.
• Courtney (mocking Derrick Barry): "Yes, that is me. Absolutely me, Derrick Barry by Ms. Britney Spears in person." (16:15)

In-Depth: The Lip Sync Impersonation Challenge

(Timestamp: 18:14–44:54)

Drag as Tribute to RuPaul's Original Talk Show

• Courtney: Explains the significance of Ru’s 90s talk show and its impact on LGBTQ+ visibility (18:28–18:52).
• Bob: Clocks RuPaul’s two rounds at talk show hosting, joking: "93 more than she had on her second."

Assignments & Outfits – Were They Provided?

• Extensive speculation on whether looks were queen-made or provided, followed by a live call-in clarification from Joey J:
  • The queens brought and prepared their own outfits and lip-sync dialogue.
  • They had to memorize audio, using both memory and an un-synced teleprompter, which proved tricky.
  • Joey J: "For the first take, I did it without the teleprompter…for the second, I said, 'No, ma’am,' we’re going back to memory." (36:05)

Queen-By-Queen: Recap and Critique

Each queen gets an in-depth look with sharp commentary:

• Sugarcane ("Cher" & "RuPaul")
  • RuPaul side impresses more than Cher.
  • Courtney: "This is classic RuPaul hair…But Sugar's Cher was too understated for me." (24:30)
• Sam Star ("Anna Nicole Smith" & "RuPaul")
  • Wild wig choices.
  • Neck moves spark debate about "black necking."
  • Bob: "I just didn't like it…Her Anna Nicole was actually pretty good." (27:44)
• Hershey LaCourgette ("Patti LaBelle" & "RuPaul")
  • Nuance appreciated by Courtney, but RuPaul’s look and lip sync criticized for being off-beat.
  • Courtney: "Her Patti’s lovely. The RuPaul is upsetting." (32:22)
• Jasmine Kennedy ("Tammy Faye" & "RuPaul")
  • Misses the cartoonish Tammy Faye makeup, but serves on the RuPaul runway.
  • Bob: "She did not go far enough with the…Tammy Faye's makeup is a whole thing." (34:56)
• Kennedy Davenport ("Eartha Kitt" & "RuPaul")
  • The panel is unanimous: best performance and best look.
  • Moments like the trash bag costume change and physical comedy are called "next level."
  • Bob: "Kennedy is just such a fucking good performer…a true entertainer." (42:15)
  • Courtney: "Her mastery of her 50 year old body." (40:00)
• Joey J ("Bea Arthur" & "RuPaul")
  • Great physicality, wig adjustments, and iconic Bea Arthur bits.
  • Courtney: "The bit of her being like, 'I thought you'd be taller,' while on her knees—I love it." (44:12)

Runway: David Bowie Category

(Timestamp: 47:17–61:46)

• Category: David Bowie tribute looks.
• Sugarcane: Nails the Aladdin Sane outfit but panel wants draggier hair.
• Joey J: High-tech "Glass Spider Tour" wings, sparking a discussion of drag wing history and costume borrowing. Bob and Courtney share behind-the-scenes stories of assembling looks for Drag Race.
• Sam Star: Her look fails to connect with the panel; both hosts admit they can't get into her drag.
• Hershey LaCourgette: Polished, draggy take on Bowie at Brixton Academy, but the shoulder proportions are criticized.
• Kennedy Davenport: Drag Labyrinth fantasy—Texas meets David Bowie. Crystal ball peplums gag the panel, but both wish for a codpiece.
• Jasmine Kennedy: Universally adored look; Bob and Courtney heap praise on the interpretation and silhouette.

Judging, Lip Sync, and MVQ Points Drama

(Timestamp: 62:32–69:13)

• Bob: Outraged that Joey J isn’t getting her due from either judges or queens. "Does no one agree that Joey's been slaying?…Did they give Joey the 'you should have won' edit but she's really just ass?" (64:14)
• MVQ Points/Brackets: Stage drama as points are allocated live; behind-the-scenes bargaining cuts Sam Star out, sending Jasmine through to a tie-breaker.
  • Sugarcane, Joey J, and Hershey all vote for Jasmine, which is interpreted as a "we like Jasmine more than Sam" move.
  • RuPaul ties the score, threatening to send both home, but both Jasmine and Sam advance.
• Iconic Quotes:
  • Kennedy: "Can she beat me? Possibly, but that is very unlikely." (65:23)

Closing Thoughts

• Hosts and Courtney vent their frustrations and favorites, talking through the pitfalls of Drag Race judging, edited footage, and the impact of mean social media fans.
• Debate on Sam Star's likability, relatability, and work ethic versus TV charisma.
• Closing with wild card speculation and a promise to cover Untucked on Patreon.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Drag Nostrils:
  • Bob: "There's a lot of queens who don't have nostrils. It's an epidemic, some might say." (00:58)
• On Crystal Meth & Queens:
  • Courtney: "This is a public service announcement…I've done all of the drugs, and there is no need for anybody to ever do crystal." (07:12)
• On Jasmine Kennedy Crying:
  • Bob: "When a white woman's crying, it just makes me angry." (07:53)
  • Bob, re: white lady tears: "White lady tears will galvanize people." (09:17)
• On the Still-Growing "Survivor" Influence:
  • Bob: "All Stars lately has been a competition about social game and talent, whereas Drag Race is just talent." (15:23)
• On Impersonation Challenge Logistics:
  • Joey J (call-in): "For the first take, I did it without the teleprompter…for the second, I said, 'No, ma'am,' we're going back to memory." (36:05)
• Praised Queen:
  • Bob: "Kennedy is just such a fucking good performer. She is such a drag queen's drag queen." (42:15)
  • Courtney: "Her mastery of her 50 year old body." (40:00)
• On Sam Star:
  • Courtney: "There's no vulnerability…I just feel like I can't connect with her." (54:39)
  • Bob: "I can acknowledge she's a great queen…I'm probably not going to buy a ticket to this show." (54:00)
• Runway Shade:
  • Bob (about Bowie runways): "I would have liked the codpiece though." (61:15)
• Kennedy's Iconic Pre-Lip Sync Read:
  • Kennedy: "Can she beat me? Possibly, but that is very unlikely." (65:23)

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Timestamps for Key Segments:

• Nostrils, Contour, and "The Brick" (00:25–02:00)
• Crystal Meth, Willem, Party Drugs (05:31–07:42)
• White Lady Tears & Culture Clash (07:42–10:11)
• MVQ Points Debate (14:33–16:00)
• Impersonation Challenge & Joey J Call-In (18:14–37:19)
• Queen-by-Queen Performance Critique (24:30–44:54)
• Runway Segment: Bowie Looks (47:17–61:46)
• Judging Panel & Lip Sync Drama (62:32–69:13)

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Tone and Vibe

High-energy, irreverent, and unfiltered with equal parts drag history, pop culture, queer perspective, and insidery shade. The episode’s hallmark is a willingness to laugh at themselves, analyze strategy and TV production, and to call out questionable production decisions and edit shenanigans.

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For Listeners Who Missed It

This recap-packed episode takes you deep inside the mess, the glamour, and the meta-game of All Stars, delivering laughs and insight whether you’re a Drag Race superfan or just love drag culture. Standout moments: Courtney’s candor about her party days, the queens’ frustration with the points system, in-depth drag runway dissections, and a much-needed Joey J call-in that settles production rumors. Kennedy Davenport's performance is the cast favorite, and the episode ends with a spicy cliffhanger into Untucked and wild card speculation—untucked tea available for Patreon supporters only.

Transcript

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Start your free trial. Today. We are joined by the ultimate twinks maxing expert. She is number one. She hopped on a kangaroo all the way from down Nanda and skipped across the ocean to land here in Hollywood, California. She's here representing drag queens who have nostrils. We are joined by Ms. Courtney Axe.

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Make nostrils great again.

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Do. Do I. Do I. Have you seen. You've seen photos of me and drag? Do I have nostrils?

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I have seen photos of you and drag. Seen you in real life. Yes, you have nostrils.

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I'm one of the nostrils queens.

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You're one of the nostril queens.

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But there are a lot of queens who don't have nostrils, though. It is a thing.

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It's a thing. It's a. It's an epidemic, some might say. But like, queens will shade their cheek highlight into the bridge of their nose. And I just don't understand the physics. It's not. I'm not saying that it's that they

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can't do it because drag is all about correct physics.

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No, but like, drag, like, contouring is all about like. And padding is all about. It's not about realistic, but it's about. There's at least realism. Right.

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Are you a brick?

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I do not believe that I am a brick.

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Well, Joy says you are a brick that looks like a brick.

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Georgia says I'm a brick that looks like a brick. And I don't know, did she. Who did you think she was talking to? Of all the things that you could say to Courtney, act. I'm sorry. Like, I don't want to. I know that I've got a reputation for. For being that girl.

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But you do have a rotation being like the. The. The drag queen who looks like a cisgender woman. Yeah, that is kind of. You are known as like, this is the drag queen who. People are like, this. This a woman.

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Well, I used to be. Before I picked you, though, I've twunked. What made you want to talk midlife crisis. 44.

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You think you're the middle of your life. You think you're going to be 88.

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Do you think. Are you going to live longer than 88?

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I don't intend to.

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No. Although they do say that if you're. They say that if you live to 20, 30, then you'll live to be, like, 150 years old.

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Jacob, can we Google the. The average lifespan of an Australian twink? I need to know the average lifespan of. Of an Australian, because I think you're probably three quarter. Yeah. Oh, y' all live to be 80. Well, it says 81 for men and 85 for women.

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So you're in the middle.

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So your face will. Your head will be 85, but the body's gone by 81.

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I'll just be like, ahead on some sort of AI Robo kind of moment.

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Live to be what's our.

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What's America?

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I gotta find out what's ours.

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76 for men, 81 for women.

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How are y'?

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All?

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It's the Vegemite.

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10 years less life expectancy.

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But this is not.

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We have health care.

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This is not something robbery. This is something watching.

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We're here review.

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RuPaul's Drag Race All Stars Season 11, Episode 6. And at the top of the episode, Kennedy is in the lead, and she feels like she needs to be because she does not think these girls are going to give her any points because she's a front runner. I would say this. Who are you rooting for this bracket?

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Do you know what's odd? I never thought I'd say this. Joey J. Yeah, that's his name. Joey J.

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His.

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Oh, misgender.

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A brick that looks like a brick.

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I love Kennedy Davenport. She's who I'm actually rooting for. But I was very, very surprised to love Joey J so much.

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I agree. Kennedy's my number one. Joey's my number two. They're playing in her face this whole time. Yeah, I think that. I think there's a chance that RuPaul thinks she's you and she just don't like her. I think RuPaul's like, Joey. She's like.

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She's like.

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Is that Courtney? I don't like this. Send this in the back.

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If there's anyone who's like me, I would say it was Sam Star.

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No Sam Star. Maybe a little bit. Maybe I just. But she. But RuPaul likes.

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Yeah, but RuPaul does. She don't like Joey J. I feel like she likes Joey J. I feel

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like they don't like this because they're playing in her face. Joey J should have won at least one child.

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Oh, they're not winning. Yes, but the banter is good.

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Especially is eating yeah, eating, I would say when I. Because I, you know, I'm watch, obviously watching the show in order. I don't have any access. I just watched it like a few minutes ago. I don't have any accidents.

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Not just in order, but on two times.

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Yeah, yeah, I watch it two times.

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Speed.

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I will say initially I was rooting for Crystal. Now I think that Kennedy. Crystal method.

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Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. On the last. No, on the last bracket, I'm like, there's no Crystal in this method. This bracket.

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Originally I was rooting for Crystal, but now I think that Kennedy is the strongest competitor in this fucking competition. Well, technically, at this point, spoiler alert, dawn is in the lead. Don has eight star, eight MVQ points.

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Who's. Who's back at one? Don and dawn and Crystal. Oh, dawn and Crystal. Bracket two.

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Two is.

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Two is. Wait.

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Oh, my God. It was the most boring bracket.

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No shade two was Crystal and no

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one was Crystal, wasn't it?

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No, Crystal was in two because you're right.

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One was dawn, two was Crystal.

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Dawn and or Mulgan.

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No, she didn't make it.

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Oh, my God. We are y'. All, Y'.

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All.

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Someone said, oh, Courtney knows Crystal.

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That's a Willem and Alaska joke.

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Which have you done, Crystal?

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Yeah, but let me, let me, let me cycle back. Let me address this publicly.

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It was Don and Akeria.

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Don and Akeria and then Crystal and Silky.

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Silky. Yeah.

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Let me address this publicly.

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Okay.

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In the year 2000, before the Internet,

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right when you started doing drag.

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When I started doing.

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Before the World Trade Centers got hit

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by a brick, I was the first brick thrown at the World Trade center in Sydney. Like, I was young. I was like doing the party drugs, having a great time. And then this new drug came along that we didn't know anything about, we'd never heard of. It was just cheaper than all the other drugs. And we would just like be in a bathroom stall doing crystal meth, not knowing what it was until it started to ravage and destroy the community. And so like in my youth doing party drugs and things, I would be at the club doing crystal. And then I decided to stop doing it because I didn't like the effect that I saw it having on the people around me. And then I just stopped and I didn't do it again. And I wrote about this in my best selling memoir, Caught in the did

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you sent me, by the way, Which I appreciate.

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Thank you.

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It's really great.

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Well, I purchased your book from a shop, although you did offer to send it to Me.

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But I would.

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I'd already bought it, I think, by the time you offered.

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I did offer.

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And so because of that, Willem thinks that it's wild that I had done Crystal in, like, the year 2001.

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I think Willem's done Crystal. She did it on my podcast. She said that she did Crystal.

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No, she. She doesn't do drugs. This is the thing that people don't

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know about this on my podcast. Kane, did I make that up?

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I don't know if it was. No, she's done shrooms.

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Okay. Well, I'm happy to spread the rumor.

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William literally is like, she doesn't drink. She doesn't do coke. She'll like. She. She's always stoned. But apart from that, she really doesn't like. People think that she's this wild party.

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Her drug is controversy.

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Yeah.

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She gets high off a controversy.

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She does. She'd be huffing that controversy and virtue signaling.

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Put in a sock and just huff that shit. All right, well, so just so you guys know, please stop saying Courtney Crystal. She did Crystal.

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Let me tell you. Where's my camera? Straight ahead. That one. This one. Let me tell you, I have done Crystal, and I've done all of the drugs, and there is no need for anybody to ever do Crystal. Like, this is a public service announcement because it's. It's actually, it's not like there's. There is fun to be had from trying experience. Trying different experiences. I don't recommend doing drugs at all, but old Uncle Courtney did crystal meth, and you don't need to.

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Well, Jacob, throw our Crystal away. We're going to do it after this show and honor you. Okay, can I talk about something? Jasmine Kennedy is crying, and there's something in me that is triggered when a white woman is crying. It.

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It.

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I do not feel sympathy.

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No. Well, no, it's not all white women. It's just Jasmine Kennedy.

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When a white woman's crying, it just makes me angry. I get so irritated, and I'm just like, bitch, stop crying. Yeah, stop. I don't know why. It drives me crazy. It really makes me angry. And also, Jasmine, I saw what you said at Roscoe's. I like you. I, I. Jasmine was like, Bob is always like, I just want to be liked. And like, Jasmine, you have the like of every contestant in your bracket.

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Does she?

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And they all voted for.

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Well, yeah, but I feel like they. Every time Jasmine Kennedy speaks, they cut to somebody else going, but I think

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maybe because she's an annoying little sister, you know what I mean? Like. Like, you love her, but she's just an annoying little. And she knows she's annoying. She said it. She's like, I've annoyed everyone here. I can be quite annoying too.

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She's less annoying than she was on her season, which. So that's progress.

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Which says a lot if you've not watched her season. Someone who hasn't watched, she's like, how is she less annoying?

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Significantly.

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But I do like you, and I'm gonna do a review of your episode of the Rapping Roast because you did a really good job. That being said, stop fucking crying. It drives me fucking crazy. And Hershey agree her. She is not moved by her tears. Hershey is so over it.

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Do you think that as a black person, it's white lady tears that you're so often confronted with when you're having a situation?

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Oh, so I did not grow up around white people.

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Yeah.

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I did not really meet white people. I went to college, and then that's when I first encountered true white lady tears. And I was like, first of all, white lady tears are dangerous. White lady tears will galvanize. I love that word we talk about that will galvanize people. We must offend this tiny white woman who's upset this. Who's upset this white woman. You know what I mean?

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But even when a white woman is crying in, like, in sympathy for racism, where they're pulling the story away from the subject and making it about themselves,

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yes, it is fucking annoying. That being said, Jasmine, I know what Jasmine does constantly. Not about race, but she's on moans. This her words. She said the hormones make her emotional.

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Wow. So you're saying that hormones make women emotional, and you're saying that women are more emotional and that's why they'll never be president. Okay.

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I think hormones are the cause for all of our emotions. Who's the president? Is there a prime minister or a president prime minister. And who is it?

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His name is Anthony Albanese. He's progressive, but he sounds country.

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Albanese. But we have Anthony Albanese to the. Anthony Albanese. Anthony Albanese to the Ow. Anthony. Oh, he does not look.

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He doesn't look.

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Not look.

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But he has been marching in the Sydney Gay and Lesbian Mardi Gras since, like, the 90s or the 80s, long before he was prime minister.

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Do it in heels.

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Do it in heels. Anthony. And you know what I just did in my head? I decided to edit because I was going to talk about a political contestant to him who is sort of Trumpish. And I thought, no, I'M not going to give that person any airtime because that's what we went wrong last time with him.

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Exactly. Exactly. Also, when Jacob does this, it means we're. We're.

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And that's when you go, Anthony Albanese. Anthony Albanese.

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Anthony Albanese. Let's talk about the points. So Joey. Jasmine gives her point to Joey J. Because she said she thought that she would be in the top, which, by the way, I agree. Well, I don't know.

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Wait, what was last week?

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Rap?

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The rapping? I don't know, Joy. Well, I think that Hershey and Kennedy both did a really good job. Everyone did a good job.

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They did.

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Except. Except Sugar Cane.

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Except Sugarcane.

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Do you.

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I want to be nice. I'll say it twice. I'm so nice. I'll say it twice.

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They seemed to have. No, she didn't even say thrice. There was an opportunity for her to say thrice, and she didn't.

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Yeah.

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Did you notice that all of their raps felt they didn't feel like they had individual writers from the real world? Right. It almost felt like there was someone there who was helping them be better.

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I actually helped Joey Jane write hers.

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Oh, okay. Did you?

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Yeah. That's why it's so good. I wrote. I wrote. I wrote the lyric that said something about not one title holder. Sugar cane, can you move? All I see is them shoulders. And then I heard Jasmine, you try to do a flip, but you really did a flop. Kennedy slowed down. I think I heard your hip hop. And then I think I also wrote the line was like, it's time to go. I hope it won't be missed. But seriously, Rue, who the is this? I was really proud of that one.

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Have you said that before? Did you say that last week?

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No, I wasn't on the show last week. Trinity was on the show last week. Whenever I leave, the views go down, so I had to come back.

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Way to undermine Joey's creativity and performance, though.

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No, we collabed. Joey J. Reached out to me, and we collabed together. I think Joey recognizes her strengths, and she is a great performer.

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And she recognizes your strengths.

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Exactly. You know, if she would do the gig I did last night, she wouldn't be limping today. Let's say that.

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There you go.

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Sam gives her point to Sugarcane. She says she's been kind to her. She's been kind, and she's her mom's favorite drag queen. Plus, she wants. Then in her interview, she says, plus, I want to get my point back.

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I would like to raise something Here. Does anybody believe that Sam Star's mom has ever said Sugar Cane is her favorite drag queen? Or is this just manipulation?

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I mean, I think it's a little bit of manipulation going on, but also random poll.

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Random.

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Like, random pull. Like my. Your favorite. Not. Not that Sugar Cane can't be someone's favorite drag queen, but I think that sh. Like that Sugar Cane is Sam Star's mom's favorite drag queen.

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I smell a rap is wild.

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Yeah, but Sam's mom seemed like a who watches a lot of Drag Race.

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Yeah, that's true. Doesn't she come to the gigs with her and stuff like that?

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She be at the gigs?

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Yeah. Maybe she met her IRL and had a lovely experience.

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Maybe that's what it was. They weren't on the same season.

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I don't know.

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No, that she was on season with Silky. She was on season 11. Because I remember my favorite. One of my favorite untuck moments I talk about all the time is Raja going off on plastique. And then Sugar goes, says something, and then Roger turns to her and goes. It's such an iconic moment. Sugarcane gives her point to Sam because she wants to stick by her word, which we found out later. She strongly regrets.

[B]

She does strongly regret.

[A]

Joey J. Gives him.

[B]

She was taken advantage of in that moment.

[A]

Oh, And I think she was.

[B]

I think she was for one hundo

[A]

p. Yeah, one hundo p. Joey J gives her point to Jasmine because it's based on critiques.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

And then. And then. And then they Sugar immediately in interviews, like, I feel like I got taken advantage of. Like, I should have gave my point to Joey J. And if she would have Joey J. Well, no, because Joey J probably didn't stand a chance because we're gonna get to what's going on with Joey J. Do these.

[B]

What do you think about points? I don't like. I don't watch Survivor, so this whole idea of, like, points giving is unfamiliar to me, and I don't know if I like it.

[A]

Well, I think it's interesting. I think it adds an element of Survivor esque to the competition, which I do like. But I. I like the drama of it, but I do wish they made it more intense. Like, when you do it on stage, to me, that is better than letting you, like, see who does what and then deciding where your point goes and who has to go first. Who decided who goes first? I'm like, I'm not going first.

[B]

But Survivor's about strategy. Drag Race is about talent. And I guess the thing that I feel undermines the show is that I want the most talented queen to get through. And this adds jeopardy. Which is good. But like, I also. They're actually also good that it's almost like splitting hairs.

[A]

Well, I will say All Stars lately has been a competition about social game and talent, whereas drag race is just talent. Obviously through the lens of RuPaul and how in her, you know, the way she adjudicates and All Stars, you kind of have to be nice.

[B]

Yeah. Which is that a good thing is

[A]

more interesting to watch. It wouldn't make me want to compete because I'm not terribly nice. So I don't think I would get any points.

[B]

I try to be nice, but then I end up not being nice, apparently.

[A]

Are you a bitch?

[B]

I don't think I am.

[A]

I don't think you're either. One of my favorite nights ever was. Was with you in New York City at that Dinah. Yeah.

[B]

That was the night we met.

[A]

That was the night we met where this guy. I have a video of someone walking to you and going thinking you're Derek Barry. And like, you're. You're like, say. They're like, Derrick. Be like, yes, that is me with full strength. Absolutely me, Derrick Berry by Ms. Britney Spears in person.

[B]

Ida, just in case you're wondering, that was Bob's Australian accent. And how's your American Via New Zealand.

[A]

And how's your American accent?

[B]

Would you like me to speak in an American accent for the rest of the interview?

[A]

Well, fuck you. The next day, Sugarcane announces that she has made a huge. She, like, had a revelation on her podium.

[B]

I've been taking advantage of, went home, had a wank. And in her post nut clarity was like, I've been taken advantage of.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

She's very livid, she's very upset. And then she gets a little spicy because Jasmine Kennedy tries to talk on top of her. She goes, I want to finish. I love. I love Abbot.

[B]

I don't think I've ever said that in my entire life.

[A]

I'm going to finish her.

[B]

Well, I've said I'm going to finish, but that's different. But like, I've never. I've never said, like, let me finish to somebody. Let them talk over me, I guess. Or maybe they wouldn't dare. I don't know what it is. I don't think I've ever been in a heated conversation except with Willem. We did have a fight on tour once that Kane caught on video where Willem said something and I replied, that's a trained monkey response. From a sociopath who's learned how to synthesize empathy for the sake of, like, appearance or something like that. I was like, slay.

[A]

And what did Willem do?

[B]

What did Willem do?

[C]

Kane?

[A]

Does anyone seem like the type to just start swinging?

[B]

Oh, yeah. Like joking or like, it then became a joke.

[A]

Oh.

[B]

Which is the. Which. Which means I won.

[A]

You ate. You gathered. You gathered.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

You don't seem like someone who yells at people. Like, if someone's young, you'd be like, well, this seems a little bit. Seems like you're angry.

[B]

Seems unnecessary.

[C]

Seems.

[A]

This seems.

[B]

Why don't we use our words?

[A]

Sam does not feel guilty about what Sugarcane says. She doesn't. She does not give a good God damn. And. And then Jasmine was like, I. I'm gonna talk now. I'm gonna talk now. I was like, oh, I love this shit. I love when the girlies.

[B]

It's good tv.

[A]

It's. I love it. It's good. To me, that is fucking great shit. But then it ends pretty quickly when RuPaul comes in and announces that they're going to be doing lip syncs to footage from or audio from the RuPaul Show. Did you watch RuPaul Show?

[B]

I mean, we didn't have the RuPaul show at the time, but I've watched it online. And you know what? I think this challenge is important because RuPaul hosted a talk show on VH1 in the 90s with all of the. There was 100 episodes with all of these amazing guests, and the kids today don't know this, and there was something truly groundbreaking about that, like, credit where credit's due.

[A]

And she had 100 fucking episodes.

[B]

100 episodes. That's a lot.

[A]

That's about 93 more than she had on her second talk show.

[B]

Yeah. Wait, she had a second talk show?

[A]

You had a second talk show? Yeah.

[B]

Where? When?

[A]

Oh, my God. 2020.

[B]

Oh, well, she was, like, filling in, doing the summer for.

[A]

Yeah, it was like. It was like. It was like a test run.

[B]

Drew Barrymore. It was around that.

[A]

Yeah. But it was like her own show.

[B]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[A]

And it was like, in 2020. It was called 2019. It's called RuPaul.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Yeah. How many episodes did we get?

[C]

15.

[A]

15. Honestly, not bad.

[B]

She had Matt Boma as the final guest, who, interestingly, is the blueprint for the looks maxing community of how they want to look, because he's got the perfect symmetry of this, like, algorithm of his face. So I love that all of them are aspiring look like a Homo. Yeah, he's hot.

[A]

Would you smash?

[B]

Yeah, of course.

[A]

It's supposed to get in your panties. What do you got to do?

[B]

Honestly, it's about the. The. The charm and the chemistry.

[A]

Are you slutty?

[B]

No, I'm not, like, dark room slutty or, like 4G slutty. I've been to them and like. Like this summer, I've been to a sauna and I've been to a dark room, and both times I was just

[A]

a bit like, that's kind of a buzzkill. Not gonna lie.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Someone in the dark room.

[B]

Like, no, I know. I tried giving myself over to the dark room and then I was just

[A]

like, nah, you gotta go. We're in here. Yeah, so. So here's what happens. Sam Star gets Anna Nicole Smith. Kennedy gets Eartha Kid. Jasmine Kennedy gets Tammy Faye. Sugar Cane gets Share. Joey J gets be. Arthur Hershey LaCour. Jatae gets Patti LaBelle. Who would you want?

[B]

Do you think that they. They were allocated, or do you think there was a bigger list and they selected who they wanted?

[A]

I think they were given these because they. Because I. I imagine that because Drag Race has changed, and I've not done drag race in 10 years, and you even longer than that.

[B]

When you did season six, we filmed in 2013.

[A]

So back in. Back in my day, they were not providing any outfits for you for anything. Now they have, like, a seamstress or. Or a costume design on. On set who, like, gives them costumes.

[B]

So you don't think that they. You think they were provided these outfits?

[A]

I mean, possibly. Possibly.

[B]

Because I thought they're wearing the outfits that the person wore in the interview. They obviously knew about this before, which is. They had time to learn.

[A]

Yeah, I'm not sure which one it is. If you're one of the girls in this bracket, please comment below and let us know what it is, because we actually don't know.

[B]

Well, I obviously would have chosen Eartha Kit.

[A]

You probably could do a good Earth again.

[B]

I covered all my other kids. I couldn't do it. Do you know Petry? I. This is as good as I can get. Teatro Tro Tro now make it go wrong.

[A]

Yeah, that's not good.

[B]

During the Snatch Game walkthrough, I can. During the Snatch Game walkthrough on season six, Ru said to me, didn't make the air. Ru said, and who are you going to do? Courtney? And I said, well, I've been tossing up between Whoopi Goldberg and Marlee Matlin. And she was like. And I Was like. But I've decided to go with Fran Drescher.

[A]

That is really funny, right? That is actually very funny.

[B]

They edit it out. Oh, my goodness.

[A]

They didn't want you to be good. They don't want you to be great.

[B]

They didn't.

[A]

They didn't want you to be great. I would want to get. I feel like I would want to get Eartha Kit or Cher.

[B]

Cher would be a good one.

[A]

Right. And unfortunately, it went to Sugarcane, who did not do great.

[B]

Dorothy would be hot.

[C]

She pointed out that they critiqued Hershey's

[A]

look, which would imply that they didn't supply the them. That. That does not imply that. Because Drag Race will throw you under the look. Be like. And your look is ass. Drag Race fully. Be like, provide. Cuz. Cuz Drag Race provided a wig for me to wear during the wizard of Oz challenge. The ugliest wig I've ever seen. I chose not to wear it, but I knew they would try to read me down for that little shitty little wig they gave me. And then I ended up almost in the bottom of the challenge. Anyway.

[B]

I also said Dorothy, Bea Arthur.

[A]

It was Anna Nicole, Eartha Kitt, Tammy Faye.

[C]

Share.

[A]

Be, Arthur, Pett LaBelle.

[C]

Ah.

[B]

I mean, Tammy Faye's cute. She's got a fun energy. You would do a good Tammy Faye.

[A]

Yeah, I see that for you. I feel like you do a pretty good Tammy Faye, actually. Yeah. Kennedy does RuPaul's laugh. I mean, make RuPaul. If you make RuPaul laugh, you're going to win her heart.

[B]

Yeah. You know, I mean, and smart. Because she was like, I can't really do the mannerisms, but I've been practicing the laugh, like, because what are you going to do to do a RuPaul mannerism without insulting her? I guess, like.

[A]

But Rudolph doesn't seem to be too bothered by jokes at her. But on her behalf.

[B]

No. And there was a lot of them in this challenge because all of those girls, I thought they took big swings at mocking RuPaul, which I thought was daring.

[A]

RuPaul seemed to like being teased. I mean, she's had Rose and every road that makes fun of RuPaul. She seems to be into it. They definitely did. They definitely were taking the piss out of her.

[B]

Yeah. And Ru almost maybe admitted to, like, bashing out lines before doing that show during the chat.

[A]

Maybe a little crystal.

[B]

Maybe just an enema. A crystal enema.

[A]

So let's go into the performances. So. Okay. I feel like I'm in some. This hat is. I look Like a pimp. I like a witch pimp. I just caught a glimpse of myself. I feel like I'm smoking something. And what I'm smoking is not with or the judge is smoking something. We're not on the same page about a lot of these things. Okay, so sugar cane. I love the sugar. I love Sugarcane's Ru way more than her share. This share is too understated for me. I love, like, Sugarcane falling out of her chair doing RuPaul's crazy laugh. I think this look is great. This is classic RuPaul hair. Like, this hair is, like, very 90s RuPaul.

[B]

I feel what I will say about Suga's share is that it is balanced by her rue. So if her she chose to make Ru the hyper, energetic one, which makes sense. And I really enjoyed the way she was, like, laid back and she leaned in. There is a moment in this where I do feel like Sugarcane is Donald Trump as Cher, which was a weird moment. It's toward the end of the interview, and she says this line, and I was like, oh. And it just felt like she was doing a Donald Trump impersonation, which was

[A]

like, Cher is doing a Donald Trump impersonation.

[B]

Yeah, but it was just a weird. Please comment below if you know what I'm talking about.

[A]

You know that Donald Trump doesn't impersonate. He impersonates a publicist that he's been doing for years. He impersonates his own publicist, and he calls people, and reports have been like, it's just Donald Trump calling as his own publicist. Look it up. It will drive. Look it up. It is insane.

[B]

Is there a real publicist?

[A]

There is a publicist, but back in the day, he makes up a different publicist. Right, but it's just him calling and being like.

[B]

Like, when you have an email that's like, assistant or like, Fox News will

[C]

be like, and we have a correspondence from Donald Trump, and it's fully just Donald Trump.

[A]

Donald Trump being like, donald Trump is fantastic.

[B]

Excuse me.

[A]

He's an amazing man. I, I, I wasn't blown away by this. I really enjoyed her RuPaul. I will say that. But other than that, this did not move me.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

How did you feel about it?

[B]

I thought her share had nuance, and it was, like, understated. I did think that other is track

[A]

race the place for nuance?

[B]

No, but, like, share. People, like, do share. So obviously. And this was a different interpretation of Cher, which I, I, I enjoyed, but it was my least favorite of all of them.

[A]

Also getting Sharon Jeans is brutal.

[B]

But she was wearing jeans.

[A]

I know, but getting. She was given Sharon jeans.

[B]

I mean, she could have turned up in the Oscars outfit as Cher.

[A]

What are you gonna do? Tell you to leave?

[B]

Yeah, just do it.

[A]

Anyway, let's go into Sam star. This RuPaul wig is crazy.

[B]

It's crazy. And also, like, why does she have a two and a half head?

[A]

Yeah. RuPaul is known for the wig sitting

[B]

on top of the bowl.

[C]

RuPaul.

[A]

She's standing in front of her wigs famously. RuPaul famously looks like she's standing in front of her wigs. There's a moth in here. Oh, he's on your face, baby.

[B]

Did you know that moths don't eat clothes anymore?

[C]

Oh, my God.

[B]

Oh, my God. It's really coming for you. No, it's. It's up above the lamp now.

[A]

It's, like, on your face.

[B]

It's on the curtain now it's on the curtain.

[A]

I have to save Jacob.

[B]

Take your shoe off and kill it. Oh, God. Oh. Cold blooded murder on the set of Sibling Watchery.

[A]

He came from My Man Fair. And that would happen to any of you who try to land on Jacob's face without his consent. Well, you know, you can land on Jacob's face.

[B]

Moths don't be eating clothes anymore. Did you know that?

[A]

What do you mean?

[B]

They don't eat clothes anymore because they're all made of plastic and they don't eat plastic because clothes used to be made of natural fibers.

[A]

I understood that.

[B]

Yeah. Just to explain,

[A]

so. So is fast fashion bad? Yes, I do not. This RuPaul hair. I. I did not live for. They're like three times. I. This does not. This looks crazy. It does look crazy and not good crazy.

[B]

What did we think of her? RuPaul?

[A]

I didn't love it.

[B]

I don't think.

[A]

I didn't love it. I did her. Anna Nicole was really. Was actually pretty good.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And I didn't like that. I didn't like that neck thing she did for RuPaul.

[B]

What did she do?

[A]

At one point, she was like. Something about it just did. I didn't know.

[B]

Would you say it was black neck?

[A]

Yeah, it was. Yeah, she was black necking. She was like. I was like.

[C]

I don't.

[A]

I don't like it. Making me uncomfortable about you sitting up being like.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

She may say. Yeah, that's what. She didn't say that. But she said that her neck was given.

[C]

Yeah, nigga.

[B]

Yeah. And she doesn't know her like that.

[A]

Maybe I'm Thinking too far. Is that what's going on here?

[B]

I mean, she did some good mouth gestures that I liked, where she was like. I can't remember what it was. There was like a one and then a second beat. But her RuPaul wasn't that memorable. But her Anna Nicole was really good Ador Deline thing.

[A]

I'll never forget her being like.

[B]

And by the way, hashtag neverforget.

[A]

If any of you ever impersonate me. I don't. Don't do this. Don't ever. Because I don't do that.

[B]

Does RuPaul do that? Is that what it was?

[A]

Does sometimes. Pardon this. Get a littleish every once while RuPaul be, like, not quite to the level that Simone does it? Like, Simone's neck is about to fly off her shoulders every once in a while. RuPaul has famously herself said, I do be getting a littleish. That is a direct RuPaul quote.

[B]

Have you seen the clip where Oprah is interviewing RuPaul and they're both sitting there chatting like themselves, and then they both kind of go into a more black caricature and then they both laugh about it afterwards, and there's something that just feels racist.

[A]

It's wild. It's wild. And I don't. And I'm not someone who does that. Like, I don't turn I. Again, because I wasn't raised around white people, I never really learned a code switch. So I just kind of have the voice that I have. Like, I think I sound black, but I. But I don't sound like a caricature of blackness. You know what I mean? So I don't know something about that. I just. I just didn't. Like someone said rude. Definitely did. Definitely did it on the show. She did the neck thing. Oh, she did the neck thing. Well, then shout out to Sam Smith.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

Sam Star. Yeah. Sam Smith is a contestant in All Stars, Tournament of All Stars. Well, then if she. If. If RuPaul did the next thing, then shout out to. Shout out to Sam.

[B]

Sam Star for getting it right.

[A]

I still didn't like it. Okay, now we're Jacob's. Jacob's plowing through this interview. My God, I gotta say, RuPaul just looks amazing.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I mean, I really think that RuPaul might be the most beautiful drag queen of all time.

[C]

Fair.

[A]

Like, my God, she's phenomenal.

[B]

Matthew Anderson baiting that mug.

[A]

Well, you don't agree to that statement when Naomi Smalls walks this earth. But look at this woman. She's frame mogging. Anna Nicole Smith.

[B]

This was also in the 90s. Like, the technology has changed so much since then.

[A]

And she's fully frame mogging. Anna Nicole Smith.

[B]

This is really. Yeah, look at that close up as well.

[A]

And y'.

[C]

All.

[A]

To have that lace at that time. Do you know how hard it was to have a lace front at that time?

[B]

Wigs by vanity was invented because we were like, what are these wigs that RuPaul is wearing? We want them for ourselves. And so we went and manufactured lace fronts for drag queens by drag queens, because Inspired by Rue was the only one. And Dame Edna actually was also wearing. And Barajean Merman and Barlow.

[A]

Jean Merman also had lace fronts and hip pads before. A lot of girls are hip hats.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

But, yeah, looking at that RuPaul wig and this RuPaul wig, I'm offended. This. This is. This is gaggy.

[B]

Especially in 2026.

[A]

But, Sam, sorry. Sorry for saying you were black necking RuPaul. RuPaul was black necking and you were doing an accurate interpretation of RuPaul's black neck.

[B]

So that makes it okay, you know,

[A]

if you're being asked to impersonate someone by the person telling you to do it, I reckon it's good. You know what I mean? Let's go on to Hershey. Ls Corgette. So she had some really funny moments as RuPaul with the. With the glasses, with the glosses. She's taking notes. I really enjoyed that. I think her Patti LaBelle was very understated.

[B]

Oh, I really loved her Patti LaBelle.

[A]

You like. You like the understated stuff? Maybe I do.

[B]

I just thought there was nuance to her Patti LaBelle that I really enjoyed. That's so interesting that you didn't like her. RuPaul started off a little rough for me. Like, she seemed a little. But then she really settled into it and had some funny moments.

[A]

I did. I did love her RuPaul laugh. She did this great thing with her RuPaul laugh, which I really enjoyed. This. This RuPaul look is upsetting me, though.

[B]

Yeah, agree.

[A]

I find it very upsetting.

[B]

The patty's lovely. The RuPaul is upsetting.

[A]

But, yeah, her petty look is really, really, really fucking good. Like, I genuinely just think it's. I don't know. It's great. Oh, Dame Edna. Yeah, she's. Sorry. I saw the Dame Edna. Straight man.

[B]

Straight man.

[A]

Barry Humphries.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I thought Dame Edna was a woman.

[B]

Well, when I met Dame Edna the first time I was in drag, it was like an audience with Dame Edna, and it was like a TV special. And I got to ask her a question, which was fun. But then afterwards, when I met her, I was like, it's this weird energy. What is that? I can't put my finger on it. And she was like, g', day, Courtney darling. And I was like, oh, that's a straight man under there.

[A]

Oh. Like, she was still in drag, though.

[B]

She was still in drag, so she was, like, matriline. And my mind was Dame Edna, but I was getting like, older, straight white man, kind of like. Yeah, just like. Oh, let me get a photo.

[A]

Can I hear your day med impersonation? Hello, possums. That's really good. You do good impersonations.

[B]

Oh, thank you. Maybe I would do Dame Edna if I were. If I was ever in.

[A]

Let's be honest here. You should host down under, though. I'm just gonna go ahead and say it.

[B]

Fine. I agree.

[A]

No shade to Michelle.

[B]

Although.

[A]

Although what?

[B]

It's. It's famously the worst season in the franchise. So do I want.

[A]

Is it now? Because Raven and Untuck. Saving up.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

And npc. Yeah, we'll save her. Untuck. I gotta be honest, though.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

This lip sync was off.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

There were moments where Hershey's lip sync was just off.

[B]

Do you think they had an auto cue?

[A]

Like a poop?

[B]

No, like a. Like a. A monitor with the dialogue on it, or do you think they knew every single piece of the.

[A]

I would hope that they're just learning it. That's what I would hope.

[B]

I feel it's a lot.

[A]

And if they knew before they got there and had time to make the outfits, maybe they got the.

[C]

The.

[A]

The audio as well.

[B]

They must have.

[A]

And as a girl who in New York City in my day was lip syncing long dialogue, I feel like I could have done it if you gave me enough time to do it. You know what I mean?

[B]

It takes time. You can't do that overnight. You can't find out. Do I lip sync? No.

[A]

You don't do a ton of lip syncing?

[C]

No.

[A]

Or any.

[B]

I'm not very good at it. I have a lisp when I lip sync, so I just sing live instead. It's just easier.

[A]

Do you have a lisp in real life?

[B]

I don't know. Do I?

[A]

I don't hear one.

[B]

Okay. It's just when I lip sync.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

A couple of girls have that. The lip sync.

[B]

A lisp thing.

[A]

A lip sync. I've seen them.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Let's go into Jasmine Kennedy. Jasmine Kennedy. Okay, first of all, I don't think she went far enough with this.

[B]

Tammy Faye or the mascara? Oh, yeah, same.

[A]

Like the whole.

[B]

Where is the.

[A]

Oh, and can we get Jasmine on the screen? She did not go far enough with the. Tammy Faye's makeup is a whole thing.

[B]

It was a real.

[A]

Joey, I have a question for you. You're on the podcast live.

[B]

And Courtney Ax here, here.

[A]

Also. We ride at midnight.

[C]

Oh, my God. Nostrils.

[A]

I live.

[B]

Thank you.

[A]

So here's my nostril, my claim to fame.

[B]

That'll be my legacy.

[A]

Yes. So here's a question. Did y' all bring yalls own RuPaul and Be Arthur outfits? Did they provide them for you?

[C]

We brought that.

[A]

You brought them. Okay, this makes a lot. Okay, this makes a lot of sense.

[B]

And so did you know ahead of time? Did you learn the monologue ahead of time?

[A]

Did you. How long did you have to learn your monologue or dialogue? Actually.

[C]

Oh, my gosh. Hold on. We got the video.

[A]

Oh, they sent you the video. Got it, got it.

[C]

They sent. They sent us a video that was, like, sliced to, like, a nice length. And then from what I remember, I think we kind of just took it upon ourselves to memorize it. So I, like, typed mine out and, like, figured out where all the breaths were and everything.

[A]

So why was. Why was Jasmine Kennedy's lip sync so bad?

[C]

Because she was too busy looking at herself in the mirror.

[A]

All right, thank you, Joey. Thank you. Oh, wait, one more question.

[C]

They have a queue. Like, did they have.

[A]

Yeah. Were the words on the screen, or did y' all just have to go off like you just did it twice? You guys just do your part.

[C]

We got three tapes, and there was a teleprompter last minute, which at first I thought would have been great, but the tempo of the teleprompter might not match up with the dialogue.

[A]

Brutal audio.

[C]

So for the first take, I did it without the teleprompter, and I just. By memory. And the second one, I did it with the teleprompter, and I said, no, ma', am, we are going back to memory. Because you know this.

[B]

Why wouldn't the teleprompter be synced to the speed of the audio?

[A]

Yeah. Also, just so you know, all of our patrons, we're gonna ride at midnight. We're storming the Capitol. We're storming wild. Because we are very upset. We're. We're livid, and we're not happy. And they're watching live right now. They're all commenting how Much. They love you. We gotta run. Thank you so much, Joey.

[B]

Goodbye, Joey.

[C]

Thank you so much.

[A]

Oh, the first gay contestant of all time. We, we, we stand. I felt like Jasmine Kennedy's lip sync was off and no one was talking about it and it was pissing me off. Did any comments, please? Am I crazy? Am I crazy?

[B]

I didn't think it, but I didn't. I watched it in a gay bar in Chicago. So who knows? Shout out to sidetrack.

[A]

Shout out to sidetrack. I don't think she heard. Tammy Faye makeup. You have to do like cakey cake

[B]

cake, cakey lashes, like dramatize it. I thought that as soon as she came on, I was like, where's the mascara?

[A]

Right though. By the way, her RuPaul look. Look how great her legs look.

[B]

Really good.

[A]

Look how fucking fantastic her legs look.

[B]

Great jobs.

[A]

My goodness. Let's go on to not even up for debate. Probably the best performance this entire season.

[B]

Yeah, she was wonderful. Her.

[A]

Kennedy Davenport.

[B]

Kennedy Davenport for the listeners. Eartha Kitty.

[A]

And by the way, her. And this RuPaul hair is so good.

[B]

I think that's just a Kennedy hair as well.

[A]

If she got through Paul hairline.

[B]

Yeah. She got the RuPaul hairline. Right. There's a bold man standing in front of the wig.

[A]

Her hair that far back. It looks. I think it looks really good. But I cannot, I could not do that.

[B]

Yeah. Also the hairlines are extremely harsh. It's not like a lovely soft knotted. It's like a. Yeah.

[A]

I think she know that she looks good with a lot of forehead.

[B]

Yeah. And it's kind of her thing.

[A]

And. And it's. I think it's like this. When you look, when you first see Trixie Mattel, your mind is like, what

[B]

the fuck is this?

[A]

I don't like it. It doesn't make sense. The geometry.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

It's not physics. Physics. But then after a while you're like, she looks so kind.

[B]

Yeah. RuPaul kind of looks like somebody got a compass and like jabbed it into the middle of her forehead and then just traced a circle around.

[A]

Like, have we just been trained to. Just because I really, I love it. I could not do it. Could not be me. But I genuinely think she looks so stunning in it. And now over time, I think Trixie looks really good with her crazy ass makeup. Like, I genuinely.

[C]

Wow.

[A]

She looks kind to me now.

[B]

Maybe one day we'll think that about George's nostrils.

[C]

Maybe.

[A]

Well, you know. Well, you know, who else doesn't love George's Makeup.

[B]

Who?

[A]

Crystal Versace. She put her in the she's going through something fierce category.

[B]

Oh, I haven't watched that video yet.

[A]

Yeah. Are you in it?

[B]

I doubt it. I don't know. Am I. Comment below and let me know.

[A]

Comment below. Is she in the video? But so she also got mad at Christopher Versace for not putting her in. And then, oh, I found out I was blocked. I'm blocked on Twitter.

[B]

By who?

[A]

Georgeous.

[B]

George's blocked you. More about that. And untucked. Kennedy.

[C]

Kennedy.

[A]

This rude look was my favorite off rip. She is eating so hard. Kennedy's physicality is next level.

[B]

It's wonderful.

[A]

Her mastery of her 50 year old body.

[B]

She's 45 according to Google, by the way. Did she know people.

[A]

Is Kennedy 45?

[B]

Do you think she's in there, like talking to. Talking to.

[A]

Kennedy was talking about what she did in 1986. You know what I was doing in 1986? Being born.

[B]

She was watching Labyrinth in 1986. No, she said it came out in 1986.

[A]

Okay, maybe she is 45. Is Kennedy 45?

[B]

Kennedy Davenport is one year older than I am.

[C]

I don't think that because there's also this.

[A]

But Bibi Zahra's age online is 40. Is 45 as well.

[B]

We don't believe that.

[A]

So we're all 45.

[B]

Everyone's 45. Maybe we just cap out at 45.

[A]

Bebe Zahara Benet was roommates with my best friend in New York City at the time, on her 30th birthday. And then she was like. So she was like telling. And I was like, I don't think Bibi's 30. And then she told her, she goes, well, when I moved to America, they messed up my passport.

[B]

Whack.

[A]

I was like, I think you're lying, baby. And then. So Bianca's 51 and Kennedy's 45 and you're 44. I don't know. Something. The numbers are weird, but maybe she's 45. Don't listen to me. She knows her age better than I do. But her physicality is amazing.

[B]

Brilliant.

[A]

When she put. When she put on that fudgeing trash bag to mimic RuPaul's outfit.

[B]

When I was in the bar, it took me a second to work out what was going on. And then I watched it back and I realized she was mimicking RuPaul's because she says, you look just like me.

[A]

Yeah, I got on what? You got on Something like that.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I mean, I don't know what, how she thought of that. It was so. I don't know how she slipped it over her head so quick.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And then when she goes, I carry all my stuff with me. She pulls out a purse, she starts knitting.

[B]

Knitting. And her glasses. Brilliant.

[A]

Like, I carry all my stuff with me. That was so good. Like, I don't. I cannot imagine the room was able to keep it together during this segment.

[C]

Fair.

[B]

Also her. Her cue cards as Rue with the like.

[C]

Liar.

[B]

Just like, wonderful. And that was what. Rue even said it in the setup that she. Rue said, when I lip sync, I like to add context. Add context. Isn't there? And Kennedy did that to the tee.

[A]

It's so good. Kennedy is just such a fucking good performer. She is such a drag queen's drag queen. She is a true entertainer. Like, she's a brilliant fucking entertainer.

[B]

And if you've never had the privilege of seeing Kennedy perform in real life, it's so electric.

[A]

You have to see it.

[B]

It's. She takes the audience. I've seen her do it time and time again where she just starts that number and it's like. It's the. It's the Kaka Kennedy Davenport. But there is something sublime about her doing it. I've seen many do it. It's like Fosse. It's nothing like Fosse. But I've seen drag queens. I've seen drag queens do Fossy so many times. And I was like, I don't get it. And then I saw Cheetah Rivera do Fosse. And I was like, oh, that's the real thing. And everybody else is just. She is the fussy in this story. And everybody else is just.

[A]

There's a lot of Kitty Davenport in person areas out there.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

There's a lot of Katie, whether they

[B]

know it or not, but.

[A]

And she's just. I mean, she's insane. She's so crazy talented. Let's move on to Joey J. Joey J is be author. I think her beautiful look is really good.

[B]

But why wasn't she wearing any eyelash? Like, Jasmine Kennedy wasn't wearing enough mascara. And I just think that there should have been just a wispy.

[A]

Is be known for lashes.

[B]

No, but like, it's. It's like I just feel like for me visually, the physics were off.

[A]

You're really. You. You want the. You want the numbers to crunch.

[B]

I was the only student in the first Semester of grade 11 physics at Senate District State High that passed because.

[A]

Because you have nostrils.

[B]

Because I have nostrils. And the oxygen got to my brain. And then I dropped out the next semester because I was like high school. No, I didn't drop out of. I changed subjects. I started doing biology, chemistry, physics, math, Speed math. C. English.

[A]

You go to college?

[B]

No. And I finished doing dance, drama, economics, biology, obviously.

[C]

In English.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

You can go back to college if you want.

[B]

If I could go back to college.

[A]

I also love her adjusting her wig as be Arthur.

[B]

It's wonderful.

[A]

It's a classic drag move and I never. I never get sick of it.

[B]

No. And she kicks her shoes off.

[A]

It's great. Every time I see it, her on her also the bit of her being like, I thought you'd be taller. I thought you'd be shorter. And then her on her knees, look.

[B]

No, that wasn't her.

[A]

That was her at the very end. She goes, I thought you'd be taller. I thought you'd be shorter.

[B]

Yes. She did that with somebody else then as well because they did the visual where they had like the mini. Or is it her?

[A]

Well, no, she got on her knees and then RuPaul was standing up and then be. Author was on her knees.

[B]

No, you are right. It was the.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

I'm sorry for questioning you ever fucking. I'm sorry for questioning you. I come into your house in my own house.

[C]

Else.

[A]

Let's go on to the next day. So. So, Sam Star. So we bring up again that Ms. Kane is upset about this bracket system, right? I mean, not the bracket, the. The points in the cue points. Sam says, I apologize if you felt some kind of way.

[B]

White lady apology.

[A]

That is not an apology. That is not an apology.

[B]

I'm sorry if you felt offended.

[A]

And then. And then Sugar Cane accept that. Bitch. You could never be me. Could never be me. How. How is that an acceptable apology? I'm sorry if you felt some kind

[B]

of way if she.

[C]

What?

[B]

What? Let's relive the apology now. What could Sam Star have said?

[A]

Okay, you be Sugar Cane. I'll be Sam Star.

[B]

Okay, I'm really mad at you.

[A]

I want to say that that is valid because I did play the game to get points and you and I were communicating and I talked to a lot of people. This really means a lot to me and am I proud of it? Not necessarily. But I'm happy that I did it because now I feel like I actually stand a chance to go forward. So from a moral standpoint, yes, I am sorry that I took advantage of you. I am. But in the context of this game, I feel justified.

[B]

Do you know what? I suddenly like you, Sam Star. And I find you're relatable and human. I'm glad you didn't do a fist bump then.

[A]

No, no, no, no. That'd be crazy. That's what that. So do you think Sam has something to apologize for? I don't think. I mean, if Sam wants to. If Sam wants to acknowledge her feelings, yes, there's something to apologize for. I do think in the context of the game, all is fair. I genuinely feel that way. In the context of the game, all is fair. We're playing a game too.

[B]

But then I think it's okay to acknowledge it as well afterwards.

[A]

But. But also, if you're not going to apologize, just don't apologize. Just don't apologize.

[B]

I do find Sam a little bit too, in the game. Like, I find it hard to like Sam because she's playing the game a little bit too ruthlessly.

[A]

Sam also, it feels. Well, I talked to Trinity about this. It feels like Sam doesn't really give us a lot of her personality. But Trinity says that is her personality. That is her personality. But then again, doesn't even talk to her anymore. Trinity's who she barely speaks to, apparently.

[B]

Strange.

[A]

Yeah. Her estranged daughter. So what is Trinity now? She's a deadbeat mom.

[B]

She seemed to. She seemed to have opinions on and knowledge about the things that she bought and didn't bring yet. She said that she never spoken to.

[A]

Exactly.

[B]

Something's going to add up, and I don't need a goddamn calculator.

[A]

Let's go on to these looks. The category is David Bowie. Do you love David Bowie?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Do you know this quote? Is David Bowie here? If anyone from the chat knows that quote, I'll be so impressed. Is David Bowie here?

[B]

It sounds like either Iman or somebody on Celebrity Big Brother uk.

[A]

Is David Bowie here? I'm gonna wait and see if the chat knows. I'll be so impressed if anyone knows that quote. Category is David. But what David boy, would you. Would you want to do?

[B]

I mean, gosh, this costume. Aladdin Sane is amazing. I think Gareth Farah did it. I watched a video and, yeah, Garo Sparrow did that.

[A]

And the guest judge is also wearing Garo Sparrow.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

Gaggy.

[B]

Yes. But this would be this. At first glance, you're like, oh, that's amazing. But imagine making that. The skill, the craftsmanship to make that.

[A]

It's remarkable. I mean, sugarcane is eating down. I will say.

[B]

Would I have worn it with a better wig? Yes.

[A]

We said this. This hair could have been draggier.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

Because I don't want to. I don't want to sound rude, but I think this is what Hershey was talking about when she said protect the bricks.

[B]

Oh, is she wearing Crocs? What are those shoes? No, she's not.

[A]

She's wearing almost the same shoes that that Sarah Bo is wearing. Okay, but like this. We could drag it up a little more, mama.

[B]

We could, right? We definitely could. She could have absolutely had that perfect outfit with some giant red hair. I do appreciate the tone of the hair, that it wasn't like a clown red. Yeah, but the hair just wasn't it.

[A]

Also, the quote is Nina Simone at her. At her Montreal Jazz Festival.

[B]

Is David Bowie.

[A]

Here is David Bowie. Yeah, but, yeah, I think that the outfit is just so good. She ate so hard. We could have done a little more with this. We could have done a little bit more with this. With this hair. This is. I would say this is probably David Bowie's most reference look.

[C]

Look.

[B]

Oh, wow. Who on Drag Race UK did this look?

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

What do you think, Jacob?

[C]

There's a queen from Drag Race UK who also did the same look.

[B]

That's also a great version, to be fair.

[A]

I mean. I mean, it.

[B]

The hair's better, the makeup's better, but

[A]

I think that that Sugar's outfit's a little better, actually. Yeah, but her neck up is better. Yeah, she's you.

[B]

Yeah, neck down. Ken.

[A]

Let's go on to our next look. Joey J Doing Glass Debbie Bill on the Glass Spider Tour.

[B]

I just like to say I invented wings.

[A]

You are the wing girl. But. But apparently, when. When Kelly Mentor brings it up.

[B]

Okay, I have to claim my space.

[A]

Do you still have those wings?

[B]

I donated them to the Powerhouse Museum in Australia.

[A]

They were so good. They were good. You.

[B]

That was fine. So let's talk about it.

[A]

I mean, you brought it up when you. When it was in the promo and you hit that little.

[C]

That.

[A]

That one promo, I remember being like, oh, this season's gonna fucking bring it. Like, this season's gonna bring it.

[B]

Those are amazing wings. I.

[A]

How much were they?

[B]

Well, nothing. They were already. They already existed. They were from a show that I did in Sydney. It was an X Men show, and somebody who was Archangel, one of the male dancers, wore them. Abby Rhode and Ashley Swift created them. And when I found out that I might be on Drag Race, I called everybody and every great costume I've ever seen and was like, can I borrow that? And they were in Byron Bay. Abby drove them. Like.

[A]

You called all the people in? Go ahead.

[B]

Five hours to Sydney. Someone dropped them off at the house. Of Priscilla. Then somebody packaged them up and then another friend, penetration, Australian penetration, went to House of Priscilla. She was working as a flight attendant, so she bought them over on a, on a flight. And then I went to the airport at like 4am with my little Volkswagen Jetta or whatever I had at the moment and stuffed them into the back of the car. And I was like, why am I here at 4am? I'm probably not even gonna be on this show.

[A]

It's a great history, Mary.

[B]

And I really, I really am glad that I went that a little extra effort because it was sort of.

[A]

It looks fucking amazing. And these wings are great too. I don't know who.

[C]

Were you in the X Men show?

[A]

I. Yeah, who the fuck?

[B]

Oh, I wasn't in the show actually.

[A]

You were in the audience.

[B]

I was in the audience. That's who I was. I was the audience.

[A]

I was the usher.

[B]

Uh huh.

[A]

I don't even know how she was activating these wings. I don't know how she did it.

[B]

There's a little string on her hands.

[A]

Oh. And then when she does this, they go up.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Oh, you love physics.

[B]

I love physics. Famously, I'm the physics queen.

[A]

You go into college for physics?

[B]

A squared plus B squared. No, that's not.

[A]

Doctor.

[C]

Act.

[B]

Doctor Act. But not for physics. I'd rather go for like gender psychology. You'd be dragged, dracked like fag. What am I trying to say?

[A]

Did you just call me? I'm sorry.

[B]

NP MP.

[A]

MPBFag.

[B]

Yeah. What's the F stand for?

[A]

From Atlanta, Georgia.

[B]

From. Okay.

[A]

Yeah. But I love you as DRA guys. Comment below if you think that Courtney should go back to college just three times or not back to college. To college.

[B]

To college.

[A]

Just so we can call her Dra Or Praed. Pra.

[B]

Professor. Act. Praed.

[A]

You don't want to be a professor.

[C]

No.

[B]

That's too much.

[A]

You don't strike. You know you don't need a doctor

[B]

to be a professor, don't you? You just go, what? Straight from a master's to it.

[A]

You can, you can have a master's. That being said, this look, her look is great. She looks really fantastic. She looks. This is amazing. And I love that she made it her own.

[B]

And she got a big booty.

[A]

Yeah, she, she, she, she caked it up. Let's go on to our next look. This is Sam Star.

[B]

Sam Starr.

[A]

Can I just say, I don't like this look.

[B]

I didn't love it either.

[A]

And I think there might be a bigger issue.

[C]

I Think.

[A]

And I'm so sorry. I don't think I care for Sam Star. Is that mean to say?

[B]

No, but I was trying to think of, like, what I wanted to say and what I didn't want to say on this pod. And I thought, you are actually, on this pod, you're more honest. Like on Race Chaser, they're quite politically correct. Ish.

[A]

Wake it up.

[B]

And sometimes I'm like, do y' all really think that? Because I think something different. But I'm just gonna go with the party line here and be nice to

[A]

everybody, you know, I. I am, but also, I get in a lot more

[B]

trouble than they do, which is hard because Willem's there.

[A]

Exactly, Exactly. But I love when Naomi did it. And she was like, is she, like, Christian or something? I think it was about Samsara. Was it about Samsara? Is she, like, Christian or something? Such a great analysis. I think I just don't care for Samsara, by the way. I can acknowledge she's a great queen, genuinely, and I think that she deserves to merge. Genuinely.

[B]

To merge.

[A]

To merge to the semifinals.

[B]

Oh, right.

[A]

I just. I just gotta say, like, I'm probably not gonna buy a ticket to this show.

[B]

Am I allowed to agree with you?

[A]

Of course.

[B]

I feel like I'm not. I feel like I have to be, like, polite about everybody.

[A]

Well, I don't think. Well, I mean, I don't. Well, you weren't polite to George's nostrils or lack thereof. I'm living for your bad girl era.

[B]

Okay, fine. My Internet beef era.

[A]

I love it.

[B]

Sam Starr is gutter. There, I said it. I don't think that at all. There's something. For me, there's something about Samsar, and maybe she's holding up a mirror because there's something about her that I don't find relatable.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And I feel like the critique that I would give her is the critique that I received from when I was on Drag Race. I didn't agree with it or understand it at the time, but now I'm looking at Sams Starr, and I just feel like I can't connect with her. There's no vulnerability.

[A]

I agree. She might get mad. Do you think you could take Samsar in a fight? Is she one of the. Because she actually looks a little scrappy, to be honest.

[B]

She'd be scrap. She'd bite.

[A]

Yeah, she looks a little scrappy. She looks a little. A little scrap. And she's. And she's. And I feel like she's holding something back there. Might be a lunatic.

[B]

Yeah, that might.

[A]

There might be, like, a kicking, screaming, biting, spitting lunatic in there.

[B]

My parents loved me too much as a child. I'd probably just try to hug it out.

[A]

Are your. Are your parents still married?

[B]

Yes. Yeah.

[A]

Okay. Weird flex.

[B]

You are so weird flex.

[A]

I mean, hey, if you're at home with divorced parents, do you feel belittled by Courtney right now? You grew up with just two loving parents, happened to smoke just a small amount of crystal meth for a couple of years, and then you still got all my teeth. You still get to be a twink at 59. Oh, life is great for Courtney. Act must be nice.

[B]

Let it be an inspiration, not a. What's the opposite inspiration thing that makes you feel bad about yourself.

[A]

Diminish.

[C]

Diminish.

[A]

Diminishing. Diminutive.

[B]

No, no, that means short.

[A]

No, diminish. Diminish your head. Yeah. Don't be. Don't feel diminished.

[B]

Don't feel diminished. Feel influenced.

[A]

There we go.

[B]

Not under the influence. Yeah, don't do that.

[A]

She's already said belittled. Someone said belittled.

[B]

Belittled.

[A]

I don't know.

[B]

Don't belittle me while you be big yourself. Okay.

[A]

You're right, Courtney. You're doing great. Let's go on to Hershey LaCourgitation doing David Boyd performing at the Brixton Academy.

[B]

Have you performed at the Brixton Academy?

[A]

Never. Not once.

[B]

But I have.

[C]

Have.

[A]

I've done the Clapham Grand.

[B]

I've done the Clapham Grand.

[A]

I've done the O2 Arena.

[B]

Oh, I have not done the O2 Arena.

[A]

Six times.

[B]

What?

[A]

Six times, honey, for what? Madonna.

[B]

Oh.

[A]

But I think I sold a couple of those things.

[B]

I think you did. You know who has done the Wembley is Bianca.

[A]

Yeah. And worked. And all the girls marked the world, too.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

They did one way as well.

[B]

They didn't do O2, and they didn't do it wearing one dress with one bottle of white wine. So the. The split of profit was very different.

[C]

This is.

[A]

This is true. This is true. You know, she takes a dress. She just, like, takes things off and puts things on, like.

[B]

Yeah, yeah. But she also, like, will pack 17 versions of. It's not the same dress. It's like, the same colorway for a tour. Because I think she enjoys making costumes.

[A]

Well, I do, like. Like, my next tour is all denim, and my last tour is all animal print, so I will do, like, a theme.

[B]

So you do the Bianca Del Rea method.

[A]

Well, I. Maybe she's doing my method.

[B]

Maybe she's doing.

[A]

I'm not doing her method. I'm not doing her method. She's doing my. I'm definitely. No, I am definitely influenced by Bianca.

[B]

I have a good Bianca Del Rio story, but I'm gonna save it for when you invite me on your show, Only Child.

[A]

Yeah, gang, Gang.

[B]

I haven't talked because I thought when you go on a talk show, you should bring original stories, talk about the wings. No, it's about.

[A]

You can't. Don't. We'll say. Okay, we'll save it. I. This hair is great.

[B]

I really like the hair.

[A]

I am. It's giving Janelle Monae when she was doing. It's a Cold War. Do you know what you're fighting for?

[B]

You know what she did to this? She did dragify it. But I do see what law mean by the shoulders. They did look a little higgledy piggledy.

[A]

Yeah. They look like nubs.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

The structure should be different. I do love this. I don't even know what you call this. Dickie.

[B]

Yeah, sure.

[A]

Is it a dicky or is it a shirt? A cravat.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

But the shoulders are unfortunate.

[B]

Yeah, they are unfortunate. She did try to dragify, and I like the way that she dragified the hair. This is what Sam and Sugar could have done with their hair.

[A]

I agree.

[B]

She also got the tone of the hair more correct because Sam had, like, a clown red, which I didn't like, and Sugar had a slightly warmer, more burgundy red. But I. I like the tone of this. Like.

[A]

You don't like that clown shit?

[B]

No, no, that's not for David Bowie.

[A]

Not for Bowie.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Up next, we have Kennedy Davenport with David Bowie in the Labyrinth. This is if David Bowie was a drag queen, specifically in Texas.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

And it reads as that. I love this look, this hair, by the way. This is my hair, actually.

[B]

Your hair?

[A]

Not actually my hair, but it is my hair. And if y' all gonna read me but acknowledge that this looks great, let's have a conversation.

[B]

Are you wearing it while dressed as David Bowie from the Labyrinth?

[A]

I was wearing it dressed as Bob the drag queen from the podcast. Oh. Actually, at the Power of First Impressions,

[B]

I'd like to come up publicly and say something that I don't think I've ever said before.

[A]

Was it.

[B]

I don't think I've watched Labyrinth.

[A]

You know, I've seen it. And I gotta be honest, you. You have to watch it without the hype. Some movies get too hyped up and you watch them, you're like, that Was me in Rocky Horror Picture show also. I watched Rocky Horror Picture show in my bed, on my laptop, by myself, in my bedroom.

[B]

Right. Well, I watched it when I was like 10 years old. But Labyrinth, I think I was too scared to watch it at the time in childhood and I. Cause I remember seeing bits of it and I found it a little. I found the. The. The style of Labyrinth to be not my aesthetic. And I didn't. I felt it a bit too scary.

[A]

Oh, it's spooky.

[B]

I think I need to go back and watch it as an adult.

[A]

It's definitely spooky. But how do you feel about this look?

[B]

Maybe have a spooky university cigarette and then watch Labyrinth.

[A]

What's a spooky university cigarette?

[B]

A joint. Oh, I don't really do that that much, but I don't not do it. But I think that would enhance.

[A]

What do you do?

[B]

Watching it. Quickly.

[A]

Quickly.

[B]

Nothing really. What are you on?

[A]

Probiotics?

[B]

Yes. And prebiotics.

[A]

What's the thing people are doing now? Peptides. No, no peptides.

[B]

I tried the injected tan back in like 2010.

[A]

Like, you're quite tan.

[B]

Yeah, I am quite tan.

[A]

You be in the sun or you

[B]

go to the Mediterranean? Yeah. No, not.

[A]

You do the spray.

[B]

No.

[A]

What are you doing?

[B]

Just natural.

[A]

You just.

[B]

My middle name is Hilberto. No, my middle name is Hilberto. But there's a long story though, that I can't tell publicly.

[A]

Did you swarthy?

[B]

Yeah. I've got Mediterranean blood and I go in like, injected in the sun. No. Well, yes.

[A]

And once a week I get Mediterranean blood injected deep into my bones. I like this look. The Internet doesn't seem to like it. I like this look.

[B]

I like it. I like it because of its reference to David Bowie and Labyrinth and the dragified nature of it.

[A]

I would have liked the codpiece though.

[B]

I love the crystal. Crystal balls. Oh, God. I like the mirrored ball. You have to stop for saying that. Like, crystal.

[C]

I love.

[A]

You're giving Willem more fuel.

[B]

I know I am. The mirror balls around the skirt. Like what? Like the peplum with all of this, like, arrangement of mirror balls dangling off. It is just crazy.

[A]

And the quilted train. I love it.

[B]

The quilted train.

[A]

But again, I think you need a cod piece. Other than that is great. Let's go into our final look, which is Jasmine Kennedy. This.

[B]

This I love is amazing. It really is.

[A]

Tie as a shirt, this shouldered neckline, the flared, the hair. Everything about this look is so fucking good.

[B]

Agree.

[A]

God, I love this look.

[B]

I love a Drag interpretation done like this. The color is perfect. Everything about it is perfect. I love the tie that has turned into, like, this bib. It's just wonderful.

[A]

Kennedy, I'm going to Jasmine. Kennedy, I'm giving your flowers. Here they are. They're a little dead.

[B]

It's no representation of our feelings toward you.

[A]

They're a little wilted. But, Jasmine, here are your flowers. I'll have them shipped to your house immediately. You look absolutely stunning. So let's talk about this judging.

[C]

Okay.

[A]

So the judges really loved Sugarcane's Bowie look, but they didn't say anything about her hair and makeup, which was kind of gaggy to me.

[B]

They must have edited that out, because they did say it. Everyone thought it, and everybody said it. Right? Surely.

[A]

And then they thought Joey J had the tightest lip sync, which I feel like Kennedy might have the Titus lipstick. Am I crazy?

[B]

No, I think they. I mean, I think they both had very tight lip syncs.

[A]

They love Sam's look. They love Sam's lip sync. I don't know.

[B]

You said you didn't like Sam's lip sync. No, you said.

[A]

No, it was. It was Jasmine Kennedy's. Who. I gave her her flowers for her look, so calm down. Don't cry. I'm sorry.

[C]

That was.

[A]

That was so rude. That was so uncalled for. That was so unnecessary. And Jasmine, I do like you. We met, like, once. She was so. We were so lovely to each other.

[B]

He thinks the lady doth protest too.

[A]

I think people think that because I don't like something they do on the Drag Race means I don't like that.

[C]

Them.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And I'm like, it does not mean that I different. I think you're fine.

[B]

But you know what? It is hard to hear that when you're on Drag Race because you're hearing that from everybody else. And when somebody that you respect says that they don't like what you did on Drag Race, that's fine, cuz you know how to differentiate, but the fans don't.

[A]

No, it can be brutal. It can be brutal. And people thought it was crazy. When I wasn't reading for Money on season 10, I was like, you didn't deserve to win. She didn't deserve to win. She. I. She did a good job.

[B]

She did a good job.

[A]

She. She's my best friend. She didn't deserve to win. I felt differently on All Stars. I thought she did great.

[B]

Yeah, she did the first time.

[A]

I don't get why Michelle's like, jasmine, your lip sync was so tight with him. I was like, am I crazy, guys?

[B]

Can anyone else please tell us what you think?

[A]

Tell me if I'm crazy. My top two. The top two. The top two are Kennedy and Sam. I would have given it to Kennedy and Joey.

[B]

Agree. Who would.

[A]

You.

[C]

You.

[A]

That's yours as well. And I do not understand why they don't like this. What did Joey Jay do? Is she not just. Not just the judges, the girls. Does no one agree that Joey's been slaying? Are they seeing a different edit than. Did they give Joey the you should have won edit? But she's really just ass?

[B]

Maybe they did because they're going to bring her back.

[A]

Well, I hope they do, because maybe

[B]

she'll come through and win the whole thing, Right? I hope. I do want to see her in the semifinal.

[A]

Me, too. I wanted her to merge, and I

[B]

wanted you to know that I just said semifinal, even though in Australia we say semifinal. So I am trying to do. Yeah, okay.

[A]

Some folks, they. Semi. Some people say, say semi.

[B]

Yeah, got a semi right now.

[A]

Yeah, I got a semi. Yeah, exactly. I got. I got. No one goes, I got a semi. You go, I got a semi. Imagine. Well, I got a semi.

[B]

Semi.

[A]

Yeah, I got a tub.

[B]

So Joey was robbed. Joey been eaten down.

[A]

So now we're getting ready to lip sync. It is Kennedy versus Sam. Kennedy Davenport versus Sam Starr. And one of the best line of the episode, can she beat me? Possibly, but that is very unlikely.

[C]

I.

[A]

My favorite Drag Race moment is when the girl who you know is about to win says something like that. It reminds me back to Peppermint saying they're about to do music by Madonna. And then Peppermint's like, am I nervous? I'm actually nervous for Cynthia. She's like, this is what I do. This is how I pay my bills. I'm. When she said I am nervous for it, I was like, not to peek

[B]

behind the curtain, though. But at the time of saying that Kennedy already knew that she won, but she.

[A]

But even before she knew she's been new.

[B]

Kennedy's got this energy about her. Even when she was talking to RuPaul this episode, she brings this, like, calm confidence that is so charming. Like she just knows who she is, what she's doing. And she's talking to RuPaul, and she's like, she's not intimidated. And it's almost like she makes RuPaul lean into her.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And I love that. And that that comment is indicative of that she's goaded.

[A]

Lately, I've been talking like a Straight guy. And I can't stop. I'm doing it as a bit and now I can't stop doing it.

[B]

Well, I'm dressing like mama from the 90s.

[A]

Goaded. I can't. I cannot. Yeah, you were. You had your draw showing when you walked in.

[B]

I did? Uh huh.

[A]

Are you an uncle?

[B]

I'm not gonna black neck. Are you an uncle? I am.

[A]

How many?

[B]

One.

[A]

Just the one. How many siblings?

[B]

That's a long and complicated story. 2.

[A]

And do they also grew up in loving household? No. Because it's complicated.

[B]

Because it's complicated.

[A]

We found the crack in the armor. They lip sync. And the win goes to Ken and Davenport. No one is shocked. I believe she deserves it. Now let's get into where it gets.

[C]

Wow.

[A]

We're at the MVQ points and I love when they have to do it on stage and write it down. You can't change it.

[B]

Well, we already know Kennedy's going through because she's on seven. She's untouchable.

[A]

Yeah, she's untouchable. So when they're lip syncing Jasmine, Kennedy is in the back being like, we need to find out who we're going to give our points to. Ladies, Ladies.

[B]

And you know that normally they'd be like ice queens on ice, but not this time because they knew that shit was about to go down and they wanted it to happen.

[A]

So while they're lip syncing, she's like,

[C]

yeah,

[A]

I need to. They're all, they're all back there bargaining, right?

[B]

And she does it. She's like, it could either be me or Hershey because Hershey also could have won if everyone had given her.

[A]

And so could Joey.

[B]

No, Joey couldn't have because he had one less.

[A]

God damn it. They don't like this bitch.

[B]

Physics, physics. Simple physics.

[A]

So Sugar Cain gives her point to Jasmine because she's her New York City sister. Joy J gives her point to Jasmine because she has a package that she thinks will be finale worthy. Hershey gives her a point to Jasmine because she wants to see her go on. And then Jasmine gives her a point to Hershey because she got close to her during the competition.

[B]

What this tells me is that these girls like Jasmine more than they like Sam because if they didn't, they would have been happy for Sam to be the one going through, but they wanted to disrupt it by putting Jasmine through.

[A]

They. I think that Jasmine is very charming and I think they all like her. You're right. They all just fucking like her. She's sweet. She's. She's she's, she's kind of like little sister vibes.

[B]

Hershey's given a different. She didn't seem to like her this episode, and Sam didn't like her this episode.

[A]

And, but, and, but, but Hershey gave her her point.

[B]

Yeah, because she likes her more than

[A]

Sam, and Sam didn't have a point to give. And Sam is gagged. Sam is like, what the. Because Sam wasn't. Sam wasn't part of the conversation. So Sam's just like, what the fuck is happening?

[B]

As he would be blindsided.

[A]

Oh, shout out to Selena's titties. So now we have Kennedy with seven points. Sam and Jasmine have six points. And RuPaul's like, I'm gonna say what the tiebreaker is.

[B]

I would have liked RuPaul said, It's staying a tie. You're both going home.

[A]

I did I not say that, Kane? That's exactly what I said. I would like to get a live reaction of Morgan McMichael's face when she saw them. Be like, it's a tie. You both get to go forward. I want to know what Morgan McMichael sitting home like, well, fuck, my drive crash. Yeah, my drag.

[B]

I I. But also imagine Sam's face if she said, jasmine, you're going through.

[A]

It would have been delicious. And because of how much you hate

[B]

Sam, because how much you hate Sam, you would have loved it.

[A]

Because how much we hate Sam.

[B]

We hate Sam. Oh, we've been brought together by a mutual hate of Sam. And this is how it works. You've got to have a common enemy, you know?

[A]

And we've chosen Samuel Starr, Charles Barkley's nephew.

[B]

What is that narrative?

[A]

Sugar Cane's mom's favorite drag queen son. That. No, that would have been insane. So then they talk about this, the wild card scene. The wild card scene is really funny. This toilet scene is so funny to me. I really got to take a lot of that.

[B]

And also the tattoos, Michelle's tattoos.

[A]

And hairy legs.

[B]

And hairy legs.

[A]

Morgan, Selena and Joey are put into the thing and they pick the wild card. They don't know who it is. Who do you want to be? Morgan McMichaels, Selena, Esteez, or Joey J?

[B]

This is hard because I would love it to be Morgan, but I also want it to be Joey and fuck Selena. Kinda. I'm gonna let fate decide, but I kind of want it to be Joey.

[A]

Well, I will say I want it to be Joey because I, I like I'm with you. I would love for to be Morgan, but if I was having to pick between the two, I would choose Joey

[B]

Jay, because I think that as much as Morgan is wonderful at drag and she's. This is her third bite of the apple, I think. I think that Joey's second bite of the apple has shown this evolution where I want to see more from Joey, but Morgan is so good at doing what Morgan does.

[A]

Yeah, Morgan is. Morgan is a true fucking performer. If you ever get to go see Morgan Michaels live, you gotta fucking do

[B]

it every Monday night at Mickey Keys.

[A]

She's fantastic. All right, y', all, we're going to talk about Untucked. And if you're watching this not in real time, you can go over to our Patreon, where we talk about it exclusively with our guest today, Ms. Courtney Act. We will see you all over there soon.