The One Where We Try To Be Clean (with Salina Estitties)

Summary

Sibling Rivalry – “The One Where We Try To Be Clean” (with Salina Estitties)

Episode Release Date: March 2, 2026
Hosts: Bob the Drag Queen & Monét X Change
Guest: Salina Estitties

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Episode Overview

In this episode of Sibling Rivalry, Bob the Drag Queen and Monét X Change are joined by Season 15's Salina Estitties for a hilariously honest, often raunchy, and deeply personal conversation. The trio covers a wide range of topics, from musical theater and drag fashion to dating, sex, LA nightlife, and Salina’s journey before and after Drag Race. The episode is filled with off-the-cuff chemistry, playful roasts, candid revelations, and musical interludes, all delivered in the hosts’ signature unfiltered style.

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Key Discussions & Insights

1. Musicals, Broadway, and Drag Queen Performances

• Opening: Bob celebrates finally having someone on the show who isn’t a “musical hater.” (02:02)
• Conversation about musical theater: The hosts and Salina enthusiastically discuss favorite musicals, naming theaters, and iconic roles. (09:40–10:58)
  • Bob sings a snippet from Kinky Boots, and Salina reminisces about her love for shows like A Chorus Line.
  • Salina challenges Bob to do choreography from Les Misérables, launching a brief Les Mis vs. Chorus Line debate. (29:00–30:46)
• Broadway drag connections: The discussion segues into drag queens in theater, including Billy Porter, Wayne Brady, Todrick Hall, and J.G. Harrison as “Lola” in Kinky Boots. (11:00–12:27)
• Memorable moment:
  • Salina: "Yes. Lordy, I get to finally talk about Wicked with someone who's not a fucking hater." (02:02)
  • Bob and Salina sing a bit of “What Is This Feeling” from Wicked in the episode’s energetic start.

2. Outfits, Drag Fashion, and the Economics of Drag

• Outfit repeating & cost discussions: An open conversation about the pressures on queens to always have new outfits, and the financial realities behind the glamour. (03:02–04:22)
  • Salina and Bob admit to being outfit-repeaters, citing the high expenses of drag fashion.
  • Salina points out the challenges of finding woman’s clothing at her size and the necessity for custom outfits.
  • Bob: "That's too expensive for drag. I will get new outfits made for a big thing... but I'm not getting outfits made for, like, Boo Scootin and boogieing." (03:26)

3. Life Before and After Drag Race

• Career trajectory: Salina reflects on being a local LA queen before Drag Race and the adjustments after getting national attention. (05:09–06:06)
  • Local gigs versus Drag Race gigs; how creating unique events like her custom “Loteria” drag game kept her connected to her roots.
  • Salina’s resilience and reputation in LA: "No one could be Selena. You hoes could never be the titties." (05:29)
  • Custom Loteria boards feature RuPaul (disguised for copyright), Drag Race references, and gay culture. (06:28–07:13)

4. RuPaul Encounters & Drag Race Insider Stories

• Meeting RuPaul & anecdotes: Fun behind-the-scenes stories from the workroom, as well as Salina’s time as an extra on AJ and the Queen. (07:21–09:17)
  • Bob recounts “elimination day” on Drag Race and a private moment backstage with RuPaul.
  • Salina shares how she coached RuPaul through lines backstage, a surreal full-circle drag moment.

5. Dating, Sex, and LA Party Scene

• Dating struggles and upgrades: Salina discusses dating in LA, upgrading from “brokies” to well-off men and the trade-offs between “spicy” broke guys and “boring” rich guys. (13:09–14:39)
  • The group jokes about opening Grindr in expensive neighborhoods for better matches.
  • Salina: "I was hooking up with brokies in the beginning of this year and now it's changed and it's been so nice." (14:20)
• Print Party LA & sexual liberation: Salina describes her new party, inspired by the legendary “Big Fat Dick” party. (15:13–25:07)
  • The event celebrates bulges (not just nudity), mixing LA’s sex-positive underground club culture with social drag party energy.
  • Chat about “dick pics etiquette” and NSFW party history, blending camp and sincere community nostalgia.
• Wildest moment: Salina tells a jaw-dropping story about “sucking his [man's] pink sock out of his asshole next to a loaded Glock,” navigating sexual escapades with a side of literal danger. (17:08–20:14, callback at 33:33)

6. Being “Clean,” Sex-Positive, and Marketable

• Struggling to clean up the act: Salina candidly wrestles with trying to tone down her sexual on-stage persona for career reasons, only to realize it doesn’t actually open more doors. (19:20–19:55)
  • Bob: "You said I cleaned a Mac for two days. I can't believe Hollywood hasn't called yet." (19:47)
  • Ultimately, she embraces her unfiltered self, noting there’s space for sex-positivity in drag, even in tough booking times.
• Working hard to survive: Discusses the challenges Drag Race girls face with fewer gigs and the importance of hustling and creating your own opportunities. (21:15–23:36)
  • Salina jokes: “I like to work. So I find when I don’t work, I want to kill myself. You ever want to kill yourself? I don’t like not working.” (21:29–21:52)

7. LA Drag Scene Realities

• Gigs in LA post-Drag Race: Realistic appraisal that local gigs are often low-paying, unless you create your own “lane” like Alaska or Morgan McMichaels. (22:12–23:09)
  • Salina and Bob discuss the necessity of building a unique platform to survive as a working queen.

8. Family, Identity, and Upbringing

• Childhood & coming out: Salina’s story of growing up in San Francisco’s Castro district with her gay uncle, moving to tough Stockton, and finding theater as safe haven. (40:59–44:42)
  • Salina’s uncle’s unapologetic queerness, early childhood shame, and how those experiences shaped her view of gay happiness and adversity.
  • Conversation on representation and familial acceptance, with Salina reflecting on how seeing family struggle and persevere impacted her.
• Coping with hate and the Drag Race fandom: Salina shares raw feelings on being targeted by online fans and how it made her wary. (47:36)
  • Bob validates that in-person fans are rarely as harsh as they are online.

9. Body Image, Dating Preferences & Representation

• Body hair, height, and “Latin enough” discussion: Playful but real talk about attraction, preference, and stereotypes in LA gay dating culture. (49:41–52:13)
  • Salina: "I feel I'm not Latino enough for the guys who like Latin guys... When white guys like Latin guys they like a fresh off the boat type Latin boy." (51:09–51:34)
• Dating standards: Lays out her preference for men with stable careers or in entertainment (but not drag queens!), rejecting the “struggling artist couple” fantasy. (52:29–54:03)

10. Mental Health, Friendship & Support in Drag

• On hustling, ambition, & friends: Salina and Bob discuss feelings of leaving friends behind as careers shift, the need for open communication, and the relatable drag queen hustle.
• Bob on podcast therapy: “I actually really like talking about people's problems and stuff, but I think I like talking about myself even more.” (55:11)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• “He had a pistol and a shotgun on display. He was building a gun closet.” — Salina Estitties (17:54)
• "I'm calling the cops on you, and you're absolutely going to... going to prison." — Bob the Drag Queen (06:49 callback)
• “You hoes could never be the titties.” — Bob the Drag Queen, on Salina’s unique drag brand (05:29)
• “I don't want to be the bare bones, baby. You never clean up your act.” — Salina Estitties (20:44)
• On Drag Race work:
  • Salina: “I was the in town queen before Drag Race, and then Drag Race takes you down a couple notches, and you gotta build back up again.” (05:09–05:16)
• On online hate:
  • Salina: “They were very mean... in the comment section.” (47:49)
  • Bob: “The fans online are not the fans in person… They can’t emotionally afford to be as bold in person as they are online.” (48:01–48:13)

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Time-stamped Highlights

• [01:03] – Bob & Monét intro and tease Selena’s wildest stories
• [02:02] – “Finally talk about Wicked with someone who’s not a hater” (Bob)
• [03:02]–[04:22] – Drag outfit expenses and “outfit repeating” confessions
• [05:09] – Salina on being LA’s top queen before Drag Race
• [06:28]–[07:13] – Custom Loteria game, RuPaul “the Queen” on a board
• [09:17] – RuPaul workroom moments, AJ and the Queen story
• [13:09]–[14:39] – Dating “brokies” vs. “non-brokies” in LA
• [15:13]–[25:07] – Print Party LA and history of queer nightlife in LA
• [17:54] – “He had a pistol and a shotgun on display” (Salina’s wild hookup story)
• [21:29]–[21:52] – On workaholism and depression when not working
• [29:00]–[30:46] – Les Mis vs. Chorus Line musical face-off, with singing
• [33:33] – Recap/callback of the infamous gun-hot hookup
• [40:59]–[44:42] – Childhood in Castro, Stockton, and musical theater as escape
• [47:36] – Dealing with harsh Drag Race fandom
• [49:41]–[52:13] – Body image, dating, and “not Latino enough” discussion

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Episode Tone

• Unfiltered honesty: The trio’s rapport brings out both earnest vulnerability and raucous humor.
• Candid & explicit: No story is too personal or graphic (from sex and dating to trauma and therapy).
• Drag family love: Mutual support, affirmation, and playful shade permeate every exchange.
• Nostalgic but forward-looking: Reminiscing about drag’s past while confronting industry challenges and personal growth honestly.

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For listeners:
This episode vibrates with infectious energy, realness, and deep drag wisdom, making it a must-listen for fans of queer culture, comedy, and drag artistry.

Transcript

[A]

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1-800-contacts. My name is Bob the Drag Queen.

[B]

And I'm Monet X Change.

[A]

And this is simply rivalry. On this week's episode, we welcome back Selena as titties.

[B]

We talk about musicals, kind of.

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And we find out what made Selena say this.

[B]

He had a pistol. We find out what made Bob say this.

[A]

I'm calling the cops on you, and you're absolutely going to. Going to prison. What is this feeling so sudden and new?

[B]

I felt the moment I laid eyes

[A]

on you My pulse is brushing, My head is reeling My face is flushing. What is this feeling? Fervid as a flame.

[B]

Does it have a name? Y.

[A]

Yes. Lordy, I get to finally talk about Wicked with someone who's not a fucking hater.

[B]

Bro, there's so many haters out there.

[A]

And I'm with the main hater of musical theaters, Monet X Change. She's a big time hater of. Oh, my whole sock crooked. She's a big hater of musicals. And I get to actually have someone here who loves musicals.

[B]

I do love musicals. And, you know, I feel like once Monet books a Broadway show, that'll change.

[A]

I wanna talk about your look today. This outfit is amazing. You look beautiful.

[B]

You like it?

[A]

Absolutely stunning.

[B]

Thanks. I mean, I'm a fan of yours, to be honest, but would you consider yourself an outfit repeater? I think the last time we did this podcast, you wore this.

[A]

Okay, I want to be clear. The only reason I put this on was because you walked in. Obviously, you're. You're an outfit, you're obviously. I'm your biggest inspiration. Obviously.

[B]

Period.

[A]

If you saw me and then you went and bought the same thing, immediately

[B]

someone gifted me this, and they're like, no, guess what? I have the exact outfit Bob was wearing on your podcast.

[A]

So when you came in wearing it, I was like, I'm gonna go put mine on. But, I mean, I do repeat. I'm not. I don't have the kind of money to never wear outfits again.

[B]

You don't? No. Wait, is this a lesson I'm having to learn? Because I feel like I can't wear anything twice in the drag world.

[A]

That's too expensive.

[B]

It's so expensive. Yeah.

[A]

That's too expensive for drag. I will get new outfits made for a big thing. Like, so for a tour. If there's gonna be a tour, I'll get maybe two or three outfits made for that tour, and then I'm gonna wear those again on something else. And then. But. Or if there's a music video or if there's, like, a big event, but I'm not getting outfits made for, like, Boo Scootin and boogieing.

[B]

See, I wish. I kind of felt that when I first came on the scene after Drag Race, I was like, I have to have a new outfit every single time. It was crazy.

[A]

It's expensive.

[B]

It's a lot.

[A]

And I don't have that kind of money if I'm not poor. But I have. I have enough money to buy clothes, but not enough money to buy out every time I'm in or out of drag to wear something new. I mean, I, I do have it, but then these are, like, cheap, cheap, cheap outfits from, like, Fashion Nova.

[B]

I don't think mine is from fashion.

[A]

No, I'm talking about the drag stuff.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

If I wanted in drag, it'd be like, I'd be wearing, like, 15 stretchies.

[B]

Yeah. A little hoochie coochie over and over

[A]

again, which, I mean, teach their own. But I, I, I find that at my size, cisgender woman clothing doesn't really fit me great. So I have to get it made custom. Or I just have to have, like, a short sleeve or the bus line is up on busing. Yeah. On. On top of my titties or something like that. Because, you know, the size of the. Of the woman that I am.

[B]

Correct.

[A]

How long you been a Drag race girl now?

[B]

Three years. 2000. Oh. Season 15.

[A]

And how does it feel pre Drag Race girl? Post Drag Race Girl.

[B]

I was just.

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Talk to me about Selena S. Titty Pre Drag Race girl.

[B]

I was just pre. Pre Drag Race girl.

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Yeah. Local girl.

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I was.

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I was.

[B]

You know how, like, Britta was like the in town.

[A]

Yeah. The queen. Yeah, she was one of the queens. Yeah, she was Entertainer of the year.

[B]

I was. I was like that, I think, before Drag Race, and then Drag Race takes you down a couple notches, and you gotta build back up again.

[A]

So do you feel like you could go back to doing your local gigs and are they all gone? You went to Drag Race and girls scooped up your gigs?

[B]

No, because my gigs were, like, gigs that I created that no one else could really do in L. A.

[A]

No one could be Selena. You hoes could never be the titties.

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I was. Every time I do a drag show wins, like, the best drag show award in Los Angeles, because I go to New York to study the girls and then I bring the vibes to L. A.

[A]

When's the last time you did one of those big Selena shows?

[B]

I brought my big show back, like, earlier this year, and I'm gonna do it again next week. Actually, next Friday, I'm gonna have one of my shows again. Where? At Kiso, my Loteria show. It's. We play, you know, Loteria, The.

[A]

The game.

[B]

The game, Yeah. I have my own version with my own boards with, like, gay stuff and pictures of Drag Race stuff, and, like, it's all estiddies vibes. And I'm doing that next week.

[A]

First time I played lottery, I was in Mexico with my. With partner's family.

[B]

Correct. And I think you told me this story.

[A]

Yeah. And I. El Negrito. El Negrito came up and I was like.

[B]

Cause you took it with you. It's in your wallet.

[A]

I took it. I don't have. I used to carry it everywhere I went.

[B]

Yeah.

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But I was like, I'm taking this card.

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Yes, yes. They don't need it.

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Everyone's like. Everyone felt bearing comfortable. And I was like, I'm gonna go ahead and take this one with me.

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I changed that one in my version.

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What is it? I'm gonna tell you if you. If you're going to prison or not.

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It does not say El Negrito. It says La Reina the Queen. Yeah. And it's RuPaul, but I covered her face. I'm just kidding.

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You're going to prison. I'm calling the cops on you, and you're absolutely going to. Going to prison.

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Well, so my original version that I had before drag, I made this game before Drag Race, And I had RuPaul on there. And it was. It was LA. RuPaul was the one. And it's like this. And then when I got on Drag Race and I redid my boards, I covered her face with hair, and I put the Queen because I didn't want her to send me a cease and desist.

[A]

You think she would do that to you?

[B]

I think so. She found it.

[A]

What did you do to her?

[B]

No, she likes to do those.

[A]

You ever touch her skin?

[B]

Yes.

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You touch RuPaul skin?

[B]

I touched her hand.

[A]

When? What was it? What was the experience? What was the story?

[B]

Selena's titties. And I would be Paul in the workroom.

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You ever touched her hand in full drag? No, I touched your hand in real, full drag.

[B]

What was that like?

[A]

Well, during my season, when we were the top four, they eliminated all of us. We all filmed a version where me, Chi Chi, Naomi, and Kim all got eliminated. And when you get eliminated, if I recall correctly, you go off. I can't really remember what it was, but each of us had a chance where we were just sitting backstage by ourselves with RuPaul, no one around. Just.

[B]

Why?

[A]

Because the way they filmed it, like, RuPaul says something kind about the one who got eliminated. And then you and her walk off stage. So I grabbed her hand and I walked her off, and I walked her off stage, and then we were just sitting. We were just sitting backstage together.

[B]

Just.

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Just. Literally just me and RuPaul by ourselves, sitting alone.

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You want to know my. Well, my second RuPaul story I've ever had, which I treasure to this day. I was actually in AJ and the Queen before I was on Drag Race, The. The opening scene where all the Drag Race girls are in the dressing room scene. I'm in that scene, and I wasn't. So I was a drag extra and dragstra. A dragstra. You know, I used to audition before Drag Race. I used to audition for stuff in Hollywood, just in drag. So if it was like a dj, I would just submit myself a drag, and I'd book all these, like, TV shows. And so that was one of them. And RuPaul does an entrance down the stairs. And where they set me was, like, backstage with her. So I was right next to her backstage. And she could not get her lines because it was like this long monologue because she's too old, and she's very old. So she just kept trying to repeat her line. So then I would feed her her line before she would go on. Oh, I looked crazy. I think I was wearing, like, an afro.

[A]

You were El Negrito,

[B]

negrita.

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You became. You became the card that you banished. Isn't that crazy?

[B]

I love life. I love the circle of life. Speaking of Lion King, have you ever seen it on Broadway?

[A]

No, I've never seen it on Broadway, no.

[B]

You haven't seen it?

[A]

No, but I want to. Is it the Minsk Off?

[B]

Is that what the theater is called?

[A]

Yeah, the Minsk Off Theater.

[B]

What does that mean?

[A]

I think it's someone's name.

[B]

Okay. It sounds Jewish.

[A]

It sounds like maybe. Maybe. Or Polish or Russian. Minoff.

[B]

Yeah. Oh, yeah. Russian. Very Russian.

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And there's the. Then Wickets. The Gershwin.

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Yes.

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These are the ones I remember. And the Adams family was at the L. Fontaine.

[B]

Oh, this is such random facts.

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I know. These are things that st. My head. Kinky Boots was at the. Was at the Al Hirschfeld.

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I love Kinky Boots. Have you played Lola?

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I've never played.

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Can you sing it?

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Leave expectations at the door Just let your eyes explore my cinematic flare from my boots to dairy yeah I got a lacy silken feel with arms as hard as steel I am freedom from constriction A potpourri of contradiction Leave your humdrum some bum bum behind Once you walk inside these walls, you're mine now let me blow your mind so I think if I was hired to sing it, people wouldn't be running out of the theater crying at how bad I sang, but they'd be like, it wasn't as good as, like, you know, Joji. JG JG Harrison.

[B]

Who. Who's that?

[A]

JG Harrison won the Emmy, the Tony Award for Something Like It Hot.

[B]

And they played.

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They played Lola.

[B]

Well, Wayne Brady is, like, the most recent one that everyone I feel like is most common.

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Wayne Brady, right. In Kinky Boots. Kinky Boots. I mean, I saw Wayne Brady at the Hollywood Bowl. Oh, Wayne Brady to the Hollywood Bowl. I saw Wayne Brady. I got to be honest. Wayne Brady was sickening. Was really good.

[B]

He's very sweet. Have you met him?

[A]

Yeah. Yeah.

[B]

So hot.

[A]

He's very high. He's pansexual.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

So you have an op. You have an opportunity.

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I have been dating men. No, I'm not doing all that.

[A]

No.

[B]

I've been a really good girl, and

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I was praying together.

[B]

So earlier this year.

[A]

Wait, before we move on, I want to talk about Kinky Boots. I want to talk about your. Yeah, yeah. Your dating career.

[B]

Okay,

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I'm gonna be honest. Of all the Lolas I've seen, and I think I've seen Kiki Boos more than any Broadway show I'VE ever seen. Cause I have a lot of friends who are in it.

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Yes.

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I didn't get to see Billy Porter, but I heard he was magnificent.

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Original obc.

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I saw Todrick Hall, I saw Wayne Brady, I saw J.G. harrison. And I saw someone. Whoever was in the London cast, I think they were from the Voice. And to be honest, the. The best one was probably J.G. harrison. Oh, like work insane. Todrick and Wayne were on similar levels. Like, they were both insanely funny.

[B]

Do you remember when Todrick was promoting his kinky boots on Drag Race and did like production number? That was sickening.

[A]

It was sickening.

[B]

Sickening.

[A]

So I mean, you were saying your dating career.

[B]

Oh, yeah.

[A]

Are you seeing someone right now?

[B]

No, I was like talking to a couple guys, but.

[A]

Oh.

[B]

What I want to say was polyamorous.

[A]

Oh, they didn't know about each other?

[B]

No.

[A]

Play a play.

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Cause I'm dating. Are you a player when you're dating? You're tasting the waters. You know what I mean?

[A]

I'm not. Oh, what is this? Why are you showing us this?

[B]

This is my party.

[A]

It's called Print Party la. Tell us about print. Wait, do we need to. I want to get into the dating before we jump over to Print Party la really quick.

[B]

Beginning of this year, I was like trying to date and they were all fuck boys and I was like, oh, my God, this sucks.

[A]

Don't get rid of it. We're talking about it.

[B]

It hurts how, how I'm just being, you know, they're everyone. And I didn't know that that was the case. So I was like, stop dating. So now I'm in a different place and I'm dating guys and I'm dating dice who are different caliber, I would say, of men.

[A]

So everyone you did before was ass, low, garbage, and now you're stepping up to the next level?

[B]

Yes. And it's very interesting. These men have careers, really nice houses. Like, I'm like, where are you finding these men? Randomly in, like in person. And then on Grindr, every now and then they are like, so do you

[A]

just drive to the nice areas and open up Grindr? No, you just go to the Hollywood Hills, turn on Grinder. Because why is no one doing that?

[B]

That's, you know, sometimes it's not the like. Like, I was just in Glendora, Glenora Hills. I don't know where that is. But it was like this nice little mansion. I was filming a project and there was no one there. There's nothing.

[A]

I'm gonna try to go to Beverly Hills and open up my grinder and see what I can get.

[B]

I. I think there's nice stuff over there.

[A]

You so. Have you ever fucked in a mansion?

[B]

Yes.

[A]

Recently?

[B]

Yeah. No, we didn't fuck, we just hung out.

[A]

Like the owner of the mansion?

[B]

Yes. You haven't? Well, you know, it's.

[A]

You know, I'm just hooking up with brokies.

[B]

That's what I'm saying. I was hooking up with brokies in the beginning of this year and now it's changed and it's been so nice.

[A]

Do you prefer the non brokies?

[B]

Yes, but they're kind of boring is what I'm finding. I bring the like spice to the like, you know, to the game with them and I'm like, this is exhausting. I feel like I'm entertaining them.

[A]

You're doing double the work.

[B]

Yeah, it feels like that.

[A]

Are they good in bed? So you think the broke guys are better in bed?

[B]

Hell yeah.

[A]

So what's the benefit of dating a guy in a nice years in a nice house?

[B]

Yes, it's sickening. The views.

[A]

Okay, what is Print party la?

[B]

Okay.

[A]

Is this like Big Fat Dick?

[B]

Um, it's inspired by Big Fat Dick.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Did you ever go to it?

[A]

I went one time. My friend won.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

Ricardo Big.

[B]

Yes. Okay.

[A]

Work.

[B]

Oh, wait, which Ricardo?

[A]

Friends with Naomi from Work the World. He's working with the world for a while.

[B]

I don't know him.

[A]

So can you tell them what. What Big Fat Dick was and then tell them what this is?

[B]

Big Fat Dick's, a party thrown by Mario Diaz. So if you guys go to Hot Dog on Sunday, that's his party. It's the guy who does that party. He had this party at fubar, which doesn't exist anymore in West Hollywood. And it was every Thursday night. It's like this little dive bar and it would be packed and they played like disco electronic music. And then you can go to the back, take a photo of your dick and then put it on the wall

[A]

or your breast or your.

[B]

Which is always boring. We want to see dick.

[A]

I think if join your pussy is fine. Is fun.

[B]

Sure.

[A]

I like looking at pussies though. So I guess we're indifferent.

[B]

But I guess I never really saw a lot of pussy. But there was a lot of butts. And I always thought the butts were boring.

[A]

I do agree the butts are boring.

[B]

That's what when you said I think the.

[A]

But the butts are pretty boring.

[B]

It's a little boring, you know? So I like a Dick.

[A]

And so unless you're spreading cheek and showing whole.

[B]

That part is really fun. I like to put my tongue in them.

[A]

Yeah, I don't think you're that unique.

[B]

I strained my, I strained my tongue eating ass recently.

[A]

How far does your tongue go out?

[B]

Not. Why did I do that? That was so ugly.

[A]

What's that one? What's the one? Pokemon bitch. You look like. Yes, you look like Lickitung. No, go to Lickitung bitch. You look like the Lickitung for a second.

[B]

My tongue's not even that long.

[A]

That's that literally me.

[B]

Hey, it's Ryan Reynolds here for Mint Mobile. Now I was looking for fun ways to tell you that Mint's offer of unlimited Premium Wireless for $15 a month is back. So I thought it would be fun if we made $15 bills but it turns out that's very illegal. So there goes my big idea for the commercial. Give it a try. And mintmobile.com switch upfront payment of $45 for three months, $90 for six months or $180 for a 12 month plan required $15 per month equivalent taxes and fees. Extra initial plan term only greater than 50 gigabytes. Me slow when network is busy.

[A]

See terms. So you're eating these holes. You're eating something weird.

[B]

Recently one of the rich guys in the really nice places next to his fireplace. So I sucked his.

[A]

How big is this home?

[B]

Well, this one in particular, it was, it was really nice.

[A]

Can you give us any details at all?

[B]

Wait, that is.

[A]

So that's you. That's you with the rich guy.

[B]

That's me. On their whole, to be honest.

[A]

Please make sure the day gets this clip. Talk to me, talk to me about, Talk to me about what? Describe this house and don't, don't skip details.

[B]

Okay. Honestly.

[A]

Address and everything.

[B]

It's like a winter, it's like a winter cabin. There's a fireplace. He had just remodeled everything. There's like three bedrooms. The kitchen. He did have a gun. He had a pistol and a shotgun on display. He was building a gun closet and

[A]

the guns were out.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

I'm leaving.

[B]

I was a little nervous, but I, I, I'm, it was a little hot.

[A]

If I walk in and there's a gun out, I'm leaving.

[B]

It's kind of sexy.

[A]

I guess. Maybe if it's behind some sort of a display. If it's behind the display.

[B]

She was building a display behind the display. It wasn't read that.

[A]

Well then why are they just sitting on the, on the table?

[B]

It was on One on the fridge, one on the table.

[A]

Girl, he was a drug lord. No, no. Yes. No.

[B]

He has, like a nice job.

[A]

Yeah. Drug lord.

[B]

Well, you know, people with nice jobs.

[A]

They, they. What did he say he did?

[B]

I don't remember.

[A]

See, he made it up.

[B]

Maybe.

[A]

Girl, you just like Columbo or somebody. Well, would you date a drug lord?

[B]

No, it's too scary.

[A]

But you'll fuck one by spider.

[B]

They would come. They would come. Well, actually, what I was going to say was I. Have you ever sucked a hole before like, like, and felt it go into your mouth? I didn't mean for that to happen.

[A]

It feels like you're asking for something. You might be getting more than you bargain for.

[B]

I know it's scary, It's. It's dangerous territory, but I did it recently and I popped something in my mouth.

[A]

Yeah, his asshole popped in your mouth.

[B]

It did, but then I popped something about the roof of my mouth. Like I.

[A]

Do you remember last time you're here and you were like, I don't want to be talking about sex all the time.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

You know what?

[B]

I've kind of just embraced the fact that I am not like a mainstream baby, you know? Like, I don't feel like I'll ever, like. Okay, so I was cleaning on my acts, like, maybe I'll be more marketable, huh? Cleaning out my ass.

[A]

You're cleaning your act? Oh, well, that too.

[B]

And like, I thought I'm gonna stop being so sexual because it's gonna bring more opportunities. And it didn't.

[A]

And well, you did it for two days.

[B]

You were like, I listen.

[A]

You said I cleaned a Mac for two days. I can't believe Hollywood hasn't called yet.

[B]

Don't they know that? They know how hard it was for me to clean up my.

[A]

I have to give it time. I mean, how long did you really clean up your act? Honestly?

[B]

Honestly, I've been pretty good. Unless I talk to you.

[A]

And I know yourself dressed as a slutty labu boo with your dick hanging out. That was. Was that part of your cleaning up your act?

[B]

I'm talking about in drag.

[A]

You suck when a guy's pink sock out of his asshole next to a loaded Glock. Is this part of your cleaning up your act?

[B]

Sometimes.

[A]

You host a party called print party la.

[B]

Sometimes.

[A]

Is this part of. This is on Wednesday, November 26th. Is this part of cleaning up your act?

[B]

No. But I will say this is inspir in a very beautiful way.

[A]

I don't want to be the bare bones, baby. You never Clean up your act.

[B]

Well, listen, I have aspirations in life.

[A]

One day, I mean, maybe you could be dirty and still have a career.

[B]

Well, that's what I'm. I. I'm like, okay. Well, I was taught. I've talked to a lot of our Drag Race sisters, the popular ones, and who work a lot, and there's a consensus across the board that times are rough right now and it's a little dry out there, and if we see

[A]

kind of like your vagina, mama.

[B]

Well, if I take you. If you take me to the back, I can show you the front.

[A]

Exactly.

[B]

So there's a. There's like a. Their gigs are a little rough right now for the girls. I'm busy in an. In a cool way.

[A]

You broke could never be as busy as Selena.

[B]

Well, as famously said by Bob the Drag Queen at the Queerty Awards, once Selena will show up to an envelope opening. I will be there, bitch. If I'm available. Yes. I like to work. So I find when I don't work, I want to kill myself. You ever want to kill yourself? I don't like not working.

[A]

That was crazy.

[B]

Was it?

[A]

Let's keep this woman working. If y' all have any job offers, she will bag groceries. She's a paralegal. She is a phlebotomist. Just get this bitch a motherfucking gig. We need you here.

[B]

I will do it all.

[A]

We need you here.

[B]

I get very depressed when I'm not working.

[A]

No, that's valid and fair. Valid and fair.

[B]

I don't like not working. I realized but one time. Okay, okay.

[A]

My.

[B]

My. My. My bar owner friend was like, hey, do you want to do a party? And I was like, sure, But I didn't want to be in drag because I've. I. What you were asking was like, do I go back to my local gigs? Not really. I don't feel like there's a lot of girls who want to move to la, like, from Drag Race, and they're like, what are the gigs like here? And I'm like, girl, no. Like, it's not good. You're not going to make any money. I mean, make tips, but, like, there's no. There's no money. I feel with local drag here after Drag Race, it's hard unless you create your own lane like Alaska does, right? And, like, so Morgan.

[A]

Morgan has those shows that she.

[B]

Morgan is like the queen of the shows out here. So you go to do her shows, but other than that, there's nothing.

[A]

You got to tip your head to the queen when you Come to town.

[B]

Correct. Well, you know, she is the title holder right now.

[A]

She just won Entertainment of the Year. Sickening.

[B]

She looks so.

[A]

Congratulations, Morgan.

[B]

I love her. So unless you're doing a Morgan show, there's not a lot of gigs to, like, do as a drag girl. You have to go outside of la, kind of. So. I don't want to be in drag because I was like, I don't want to. I'm tired. I'm feeling the labu boo boy, the labor boy. So I'm like, let me throw. I. I was like, if I. What kind? Okay, here's the thing. I love a dark room, and I love sex hooking up. That.

[A]

You've been very unclear about this.

[B]

You may know. So I. I love, like, a hot dog sundae, but there's not necessarily, like, a place to. Right. Because it's like a bar during the day, whatever. But people do hook up, but, like, they have to go to the bathroom. And I was like, I love underground parties. Like, all my friends, like, you know, the Ospinoffs and all that stuff. There's dark rooms where people hook up.

[A]

Hospital.

[B]

Yeah. It's like one of the underground dark

[A]

room parties that, like. Is that, like, horse meat?

[B]

Yeah, similar. It's the same vibe. It's warehouse party underground. So I was like, is there a way that I can combine, like. Like, the hookup culture and the party, like, the socialness of the party together? And I was, like, thinking about, like, Big Fat Dick and how it alluded to, like, this sexual energy off the bat because of the pictures of the dicks everywhere. So I was like. And. And that Big Fat Dick party was, like, such an iconic party of, like, my upbringing as a gay kid. Kid.

[A]

Gay young man.

[B]

Young man.

[A]

And to be clear, there were no children at Big Bad Dick.

[B]

And I was not there as a child.

[A]

I mean, club kid.

[B]

Yeah. You know what I mean? Like, running in the streets, like, discovering my gayness, like, that place was a very safe place for me to, like, be like, wow, dick. So I was like, there's nothing that I feel exists like that anymore. And I think there's, like, a new generation of. Of young adults who don't, you know, have not experienced that. So I was like, what if I can make my own version of it? And you like, I love a penis and I love a dick print. Like, it's my favorite. Like, at the gym, baby.

[A]

Like the bird watch, baby.

[B]

The birds are delicious.

[A]

So are we taking pictures of dicks at this party?

[B]

We're taking pictures of bulge Got it. And then the audience gets to choose the top.

[A]

Will yours be displayed?

[B]

Maybe mine is displayed and you guys have to go and see.

[A]

I have an idea that I kind of want to do, and I've had a few queens agree to it, but I've just never put the. The ball's in motion.

[B]

You told me this.

[A]

So if we can get 10 dick pics. No. Oh, queens. And you send them each a clone of Willy.

[B]

Oh, yes, that's right.

[A]

And then you make a dildo based on your penis, but then you anonymously ship it back, so even I don't know whose dick is whose. And then I just display them all. So I say, These are the 10 queens. These are the 10 dicks.

[B]

Whose is whose?

[A]

Well, we're going to. One of them is someone's.

[B]

We're going to know which one's Evie's.

[A]

Well, but also, you're not allowed to. You're not. It's not allowed. No one whose penis has been publicly shown, because then you can start whittling it down. So if we have, like, you know, Alaska and Evie and, I don't know, whoever's dicks out there, Candy, Muse and whatever, there's already on the Internet. So it's got to be people whose penises are Internet anonymous.

[B]

So all the season 18 girls.

[A]

Do they. Are they. I mean. I mean, my penis is not on the Internet.

[B]

Mine isn't either.

[A]

Yeah. I don't send news, though.

[B]

I do, but I don't send with face.

[A]

You send. You have tattoos all over your hands.

[B]

My hands aren't in the photo.

[A]

Do you have tattoos in your legs?

[B]

No.

[A]

Do you have birthmarks?

[B]

No.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

I don't think so.

[A]

Are you. So what are you. You get. You got your arms behind your, like.

[B]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. And then I. Yeah, you have a lot of tattoos, but I don't.

[A]

You have tattoos. You have no tattoos on your legs.

[B]

It's like this.

[A]

Can we talk about dick pics that, like, I'm going to go ahead and ban?

[B]

Yeah. On the toilet. Why are you taking a dick on the toilet if.

[A]

Oh, my.

[B]

Why are you on the toilet? There's people who like to jerk off on the toilet, okay?

[A]

I'm not here to judge what you do. I don't care if you jerk off on the toilet. If you're sending me a picture of your dick and you're sitting on the toilet, all I can think is you either just shit or the toilet is actually just full of shit and you took a picture of your dick. That's that's crazy.

[B]

Coming up.

[A]

This is crazy.

[B]

Can I say one of my favorite. I'm not gonna say. Never mind.

[A]

No, you have to.

[B]

Now, one of my favorite kind of porn is like, spy cam porn at the Home Depot.

[A]

What is spy cam porn?

[B]

It's like, guys who, like, record guys at the urinal.

[A]

Oh, that's criminal.

[B]

I know. It's bad. That's why I was like. I shouldn't say.

[A]

I actually wish you hadn't.

[B]

I know, but there's ones of, like. If there's one specifically at Home Depot,

[A]

I mean, there's a. There's a chance there. There's a chance that these people are all actually it. And they're just acting like.

[B]

Yeah, because a lot of times, let's

[A]

say that they're just like, oh, no. Oh, you know what I mean? It's probably more than likely what it is.

[B]

It's very hot. But they're jerking off. There's. I think straight guys jerk off in those bathroom stalls.

[A]

Well, you guys are jerking off.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

They're in on it.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

No, you're not gonna. You're. You telling me someone happened to catch you on a spy cam jerking off? No.

[B]

Well, sometimes, like in a little glory hole, sometimes they're, like, peeking over.

[A]

They're in on it.

[B]

Okay, good. Let's say that there's no way they're in on it.

[A]

How? It's rare to catch that in the wild.

[B]

Yeah. Yeah.

[A]

Is it where you gullible, though?

[B]

No. I have a saying with my friend. Only if you're looking. If you're looking for it, you'll find it. But for the most part, people don't notice that there's a guy fucking someone in the car right there.

[A]

How often have you seen it? Are you looking for it?

[B]

All the time.

[A]

You see people drinking with the cars?

[B]

Yes. You know where to? Like, like on the freeway in traffic. Like, guys love to, like.

[A]

You see this with your eyes. Yes. Not videos of it. You see with your eyes?

[B]

With my eyes, yeah. If you're looking for it, you'll find it because homosexuals are disgusting.

[A]

I'm just in my car listening to npr.

[B]

You're not listening to Broadway.

[A]

I'm listening up first. I'm listening. I mean, I listen to some Broadway. I've been recently listening to the 25th anniversary of Les Mis.

[B]

Really? Oh, my God. There's a. There's a type of excuse you.

[A]

What's your problem with. With Les Mis?

[B]

I'm not a Les Miser.

[A]

There's no way everyone Les Mizzes.

[B]

That's why everyone. Ugh. I'm not crazy about it. I don't care.

[A]

Les Mis is one of the best musicals that's literally ever been written. Literally ever. Okay, what are you mumming?

[B]

Yeah. Okay.

[A]

What's yours? What's your number one?

[B]

The chorus line.

[A]

Oh, but Les Mis is basic.

[B]

You think a chorus line is basic?

[A]

Singular sensation every little.

[B]

It's classic.

[A]

Classic.

[B]

Can you dance the choreo all the way through? And sing and belt your off? Yes. Yes. Iconic. Now do some choreo from Les Mis.

[A]

Do you hear the people sing? Singing the songs of angry men? It is the music of a people who will not be slaves again. When the beating of your heart echoes the beating of the drum. It is a life about to start when tomorrow comes. You're a hater, bro.

[B]

I don't care for Les Mis at all.

[A]

You know what? RuPaul was right about you.

[B]

What did she say about me when

[A]

she sent you off?

[B]

That's so shady. The way that we jump from topic to topic is so crazy.

[A]

Welcome to sibling rivalry.

[B]

I love it. Okay. Because I. I get nervous that, like, I'm sorry. That I sidetracked.

[A]

No, it's okay. You don't. You don't have to bring us back to Broadway.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

We don't even have to go back to it.

[B]

I will.

[A]

I see you trying to steer this car. You are busting a U turn in crowded.

[B]

Because we go so left.

[A]

It's okay.

[B]

And little Jacob's like, you guys, we did a focus group, and one of the. The points from the focus group is they wanted more organization in the podcast.

[A]

You think this is the bit the diva bringing organization?

[B]

I don't actually know. I feel like part of our charm is that we. We just go everywhere. This is just a loose topic.

[A]

Kind of like your vagina. Do you know. Did you do Spotify raps?

[B]

I'm Apple music girly.

[A]

Tough time of year.

[B]

Yeah, it sucks.

[A]

But who's your number one, though?

[B]

My number one artist.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Artist and most played song. My most played song was so random. It was Usher. Wait, yeah, no, it was. What song was it?

[A]

Usher?

[B]

Yes. Raymond from the Confessions album.

[A]

Usually what you want to do with me got you singing like Joe to see.

[B]

I.

[A]

Sure.

[B]

I think that was the song.

[A]

Actually, I was just talking about how Usher was, like, a big part of my, like, sexual awakening.

[B]

Me too. Because the booklet inside the Confessions album is him in a hot tub and is the first time I ever saw pubes. Pubic hair. Because he had his pubes hanging out of the water. And I was just like, whoa, Usher, y'.

[A]

All, Y' all don't get. Usher was crazy. I mean, Usher's still very beautiful, but at the time it was, it was bananas.

[B]

It was sexy.

[A]

My number one song. My number one artist of the year was Kendrick Lamar.

[B]

Okay, I see that for you.

[A]

And I think my number one album was gnx. The Kendrick Lamar album.

[B]

My number one album was Jade's new album, actually. Yeah, yeah. Have you heard it? The life of show. Is it life? No Show. That's Showbiz baby.

[A]

Wife of showgirl is Tyler. Taylor Swift.

[B]

No, that Showbiz Baby by Jade. That's my number one album.

[A]

My top three albums of the year were gnx. You're a good man, Charlie Brown.

[B]

Wait, I was Charlie Brown in high school.

[A]

Hairspray. Wait, what original Broadway cast? Okay, don't play with me.

[B]

Yeah, it's good.

[A]

Are you one of the movie girlies?

[B]

I love the movie, though. The new girl in town flies a guy on the street. The new girl in town. Look, he's wearing his ring.

[A]

I would like a ring. I would like a diamond ring on my wedding figure.

[B]

I would like a big shiny diamond.

[A]

Let's take a break here and listen. I know you're listening to a break right now, but you don't have to live like this. If you would like to get an opportunity to not hear these ads, please go over to Patreon and type in sibling rivalry podcast and you will never have to hear me say this ever again. All right, here comes some ads. And we are back with sex positive. Recently dating El Chapo sucking his anus next to his fireplace with a loaded beretta next to the bed.

[B]

A baddie.

[A]

You ever held a gun?

[B]

No.

[A]

You've never even held one?

[B]

I don't like guns.

[A]

Can we cut back? Can we, can we do a quick jump back to Selena sucking dick with a loaded Glock pointed at her head?

[B]

He had a pistol and a shotgun on display. He was building a gun closet. I was a little nervous, but I, I, I'm. It was a little hot.

[A]

I mean, I've never held a gun in my life either. They look really scary.

[B]

Yeah, I'm not about. I don't like that. A life can be taken.

[A]

How do you think you'd fare in a fistfight?

[B]

Pretty good.

[A]

You think so?

[B]

Yeah. I used to break kids arms in middle school, like a hobby. I did karate for 13 years.

[A]

How many arms did you break? And what was the process?

[B]

I sprained One. And I broke one.

[A]

And what? Please give me any detail.

[B]

They were picking on me.

[A]

I need more details.

[B]

This kid was telling me to shut up on the basketball.

[A]

Were you talking a lot?

[B]

No.

[A]

So you were being silent. I'm gonna be clear.

[B]

We were playing basketball.

[A]

I want to ask. You were being completely silent. A kid told you to shut up.

[B]

We were playing basketball and I was winning, and I was like, hah.

[A]

What? How old were you?

[B]

Fourteen.

[A]

And how old was he?

[B]

Fourteen.

[A]

You just try to make the story. You're like nine. You don't want to tell the truth?

[B]

No.

[A]

You're afraid to get canceled?

[B]

No, he was.

[A]

And how did you break his arm?

[B]

You grab his arm and you bring up this way.

[A]

That's. That seems violent.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

You might be a violent person.

[B]

I did karate for 13 years. My dad.

[A]

My dad.

[B]

My dad was going to be a stuntman and, like, for, like, not Bruce Lee. His like one of these, like, big, like, action movie.

[A]

Who's the one who's, like, sick now?

[B]

Jackie's sick?

[A]

No, he was in the one.

[B]

Oh, my.

[A]

Jet Lee.

[B]

Love that movie. Jet Li. Yeah, that's who it was. It was Jeff.

[A]

I knew it was something. Told me it was Jet.

[B]

My dad was like.

[A]

I was like, unless your dad is like 105.

[B]

It was jetly.

[A]

He.

[B]

And he loved it. And he. And that was like. I think his dream is like. Like, work under those. Like, with those guys. And he. He, like, sprained his knee. He fell off a roof. So my dad was never able to, like, pursue that. But I did karate because of that for years. I got to brown, I think.

[A]

Is that high? I.

[B]

Is that like, one? It's like one. I got to the one below. Black. I never got my black.

[A]

Do you know that Ms. Cracker is a black belt?

[B]

I know this, actually. I've seen photos of her.

[A]

Yeah. Did you know this, Jacob?

[B]

No. But can you imagine the event where Ms. Cracker faces up against Selena?

[A]

Selena.

[B]

I worked with Ms. Cracker. I paid good money to see that. I worked with her in D.C. recently. And that bitch is hilariously cuckoo bananas.

[A]

She's very funny. She's very, very funny.

[B]

Bananas. Yeah.

[A]

Yeah. She's a black belt in karate, and she used to do performance where she would break boards during her numbers. Anitra, she would come out as Melina from. From even before. Before Anetra. She would come out this pre. Drag Race. Even before I was on Drag Race, she'd come out and dress like Melina or Katana or. And she would. They would Play Mortal Kombat. Test your bite. And then she would have a staff. She was great with a bow. And she was. And she had the full. And she was like,

[B]

yes.

[A]

Bring out boards. She was like, yes. It was honestly really gagging.

[B]

Kind of sickening. Yeah. But then she does this viral dance. Was that her in that video where she's, like, duck walking and doing.

[A]

Probably. Video sounds about right. That's. That sounds like right now. So do you have stories like that from, like, Europe? Like, who. Who are your LA sisters? Who are the pre Drag Race LA sister that you were good buddies with?

[B]

Godoy.

[A]

Godoy, yeah. Yeah. Who Goodoy is.

[B]

Godoy is a designer and drag queen here in Los Angeles. She makes a lot of looks for Bob Monet, Naomi, all the girls.

[A]

You've seen a lot of herself on

[B]

Drag Race, a lot of stuff. And Godoy is fantastic. I became very good friends with her, like, before Pandemic, and then she kind of, like, really taught me how to sew. And like, when is it.

[A]

When do you. When do the lessons kick in?

[B]

Next week. Okay. No, she really technically taught me a lot how to, like, how to sew and stuff. And yeah, she's my. She's probably one of my closest sister drag sisters I have. But other than that, I'm friendly with a lot of the girls. Like, I feel like it's very coworker. Like, I show up, clock in. Hey, girls, Any enemies? No, but I think there's girls who are mad at me because I'm not bringing them along on the journey.

[A]

Who?

[B]

I don't know.

[A]

You know who?

[B]

No, you can't say. You know, I want them to get their flowers.

[A]

I tell you who's mad at me.

[B]

Who's mad at you?

[A]

Holiday's mad at me from New York City.

[B]

Why?

[A]

I quit a show that she was the producer of, and it was like a whole thing. I didn't want to be part of the show anymore. I thought the show was problematic, and I just thought it was not great.

[B]

The thing with me is, like, I don't. Like, I don't have enemies. And if you are an enemy of mine, there's something more wrong with you, because I'm just over here crocheting.

[A]

You crochet now?

[B]

Yeah, I've been crocheting for a year. Did you not know this?

[A]

No.

[B]

Shut the up.

[A]

Are you. Are you posting about it?

[B]

He's not my enemy anymore.

[A]

Can you tell them what you're talking about?

[B]

She pulled up a photo of Ross Matthews. I love Ross Matthews. We're good. I was going through it. I just got eliminated. I needed someone to attack.

[A]

How close are you starting onlyfans?

[B]

I'm not. I'm not.

[A]

Okay, 10 people. I need a number. 10 being like, by the end of the day, one being like, this will never happen.

[B]

If I do, it'll be in drag, and I'm gonna do something really creative.

[A]

I need an answer 1 to 10. How close are you?

[B]

Well, for me to be a boy or.

[A]

Nah, this is up to. This is your business.

[B]

I probably start one for in drag and, like, have content behind a pain wall there.

[A]

Can you describe it?

[B]

My content?

[A]

Yeah. Are you, like, sucking ding a lings?

[B]

No.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

I have this idea.

[A]

I'm all ear. Do you have gun content you want to make where guys hold loaded, like a guy has a shotgun to the back of your head giving you back shots? Literal back shots?

[B]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. You would like to see.

[A]

Would you pay for that buckshot to the back? No.

[B]

Oh, then I'm not doing it, Selena.

[A]

I don't. Guns are scary.

[B]

I hate guns. I do. I'm not about that life. There were so many guns in high school. I hated it.

[A]

Wait, you would drop us back to this hookup now? What did you say when you walked in and you saw the gun closet? It was hot.

[B]

I was at.

[A]

Well, there were guns at your school.

[B]

Yes. There were shootings, knife fights every fucking night. We had metal detectors walk through every day. I grew up in the ghetto. I'm telling you. I grew up in the hood.

[A]

What school is this?

[B]

Shout out.

[A]

Your school.

[B]

Stockton.

[A]

Well, that sounds nice.

[B]

No, it's not.

[A]

Of course.

[B]

Look up Stockton, California.

[A]

Can we look up the murder rate in Stockton?

[B]

Yes, look it up. It was voted, like, worst city in America to live in underneath Cleveland, Ohio.

[A]

Do you think this is probably why you have an affinity in a sexual affinity toward guns? Do you think it's a childhood thing?

[B]

I don't have an affinity towards guns.

[A]

So, wait, you have the numbers there. Okay. And from January to June of 2024 to 2025, homicides dropped to 19. That's a 36.7% decrease from the previous years. Since I left, it was 30. Before that, 30 people have been murdered, homicided. And then there were peaks in. In 2020 22. There's 56 homicides in 2020. The police recorded a decline since 2022.

[B]

I grew up as a kid in the Castro, San Francisco Bay area, with my gay uncles. Then I moved to Stockton.

[A]

Like, actual uncles or like, you know, people like.

[B]

Well, He's. He's my gay uncle, and he had his.

[A]

His boyfriend at the time is your dad's sister. Your mom's. My dad's brother.

[B]

My sister's brother.

[A]

Your sister.

[B]

Can I show you him?

[A]

Well, your sister's brother.

[B]

My. My mom's brother.

[A]

I was. That's your brother?

[B]

Can I show you him?

[A]

Yeah, of course.

[B]

His name's my Theor. And he, for Halloween one year, dressed as Lady Gaga, and then the next year he dressed as Britney Spears. And it was the same costume.

[A]

Did he make any adjustments? No, he just said, I'm Britney. I'm.

[B]

But that's what I grew up with. He's sickening. I love him.

[A]

Can we share this with. Yes. All right, we'll get this.

[B]

He would love it.

[A]

We'll text this picture over to.

[B]

I'll send it over.

[A]

I want to be clear. You can tell an uncle will send this because it's a picture of a picture. It's an actual photo, and then the photo is laid on someone's leg. And then you took a picture of the picture. Yeah. That's hilarious.

[B]

That's my Theodore Roberto. And I grew up with him in the 90s in the Castro. Super gay. And then I remember.

[A]

Where were you born?

[B]

90.

[A]

Are you money? Of the same age?

[B]

Gang gay. She looks older, right?

[A]

You look at the same age, to be honest. I mean, you both look quite young. Well, no, you do look. You actually do look younger than Monet.

[B]

Actually, it's my hair.

[A]

If I had to think about it, you actually do look younger.

[B]

When I push my hair back, I look older into the camera.

[A]

That you look younger than money? No, no. That you look.

[B]

Can you look?

[A]

Oh, yeah. She. Selena looks younger than Monet for sure. And it. It. It is. If I were to just on the street guess how old Selena was, and I was, like, trying to be as accurate as possible, I would assume that selena was probably 30 years old. If I had to guess Monet, I would say Monet was 35 years old.

[B]

I'll take it. She's 35. Yeah, I'm 35.

[A]

You're the same age. We. We cover that.

[B]

That's how math works. Anyways, then I moved to Stockton for high school, and I left right away. I moved to Hollywood as soon as I graduated.

[A]

You. I can't do. I can't.

[B]

I hated it there.

[A]

You went to live in a nice place like Hollywood?

[B]

Well, you know, I found choir. Sophomore year, I found choir, and then I did Grease the Musical. I was Johnny Casino. And then.

[A]

Which Character is that one.

[B]

He's the sings of the hand jive at the prom.

[A]

Can you, can we get a little bit of that?

[B]

No, it's not a fun song. We can get so many better.

[A]

You asked me to sing and I sang immediately. This doesn't feel fair.

[B]

That's a boring song. I'd rather sing something else.

[A]

Okay, what are you gonna sing?

[B]

I don't know. Do you know we've been listening to your good man Charlie Brown? I love that.

[A]

I. I know every word.

[B]

It's so good.

[A]

Can we get a rendition of Kite?

[B]

I don't remember how it goes. Can you.

[A]

A little more win, little more hope, little more speed, little more hope. Gotta get this stupid kite to fly. Gotta make sure it doesn't droop. Doesn't drag, doesn't drew. Gotta watch out for every little whoop bump, boop boop.

[B]

So good.

[A]

Okay, I sang it.

[B]

I don't remember though.

[A]

Okay. Do you remember the title song? You're a good man, Charlie Brown.

[B]

You're the kind of reminder we need.

[A]

You got humility, nobility and a sense of honor.

[B]

That is very good indeed.

[A]

You're a good man, Charlie Brown.

[B]

You're the king. You're king.

[A]

You're a prince. And a prince could be king. With a heart such as yours, you

[B]

could open any doors.

[A]

You can go out and do anything.

[B]

You could be king, Charlie Brown.

[A]

But then the solo comes in.

[B]

Every everybody says to me, you're a

[A]

good man, Charlie Brown.

[B]

Every voice in harmony.

[A]

You're a good man. Okay, there we go.

[B]

God, I forgot about that. So long time ago. Yeah, well, I stayed in the theater because I didn't want to be where the guns were.

[A]

You've gone on to do a lot of things since Stockton.

[B]

Right, since Stockton.

[A]

I mean you, you were in a show at the Pasadena Plan. Well, how many shows a week we all doing there? There?

[B]

Eight shows a week.

[A]

That's it was Broadway. Tight ass schedule in full drag every time.

[B]

It was crazy. It's hard to do full drag every day like that.

[A]

Did. Were you like living? Was that your first, Was it? How many times have you done eight shows a week schedule?

[B]

That was my first time doing an equity show.

[A]

How did it feel?

[B]

I loved it.

[A]

You? Oh, you were into it.

[B]

I loved it.

[A]

You got a really big cheer when you came out.

[B]

Yeah. Huh. Did you gag a little bit.

[A]

Were you like.

[B]

It was kind of cool. It was kind of cute. You know it's interesting. I. I run into so many homosexuals like in the world as I travel and Stuff who were at, who saw that production and they're like, oh, I saw you in the college. I was like, what the you, we're in Nebraska. Like how did you. What? They're like, oh, I happen to have been in town and I always get praise and like accolades and I think people will saw me differently after seeing me in the cage. Like, I think that kind of upped my, you know, I was just like the loud girl crybaby from Drag Race. And then I think they were like, oh wait, she can actually do things. Things.

[A]

And you guys work with Shia diamond, who I absolutely love.

[B]

Oh, I love.

[A]

She is so nutty, y'. All. She, diamond is so nutty. She is like, I, I have never met anyone like she a diamond in my whole entire life. You want to check her out? She has some great music online.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Type in she s H a a and she's diamond.

[B]

An amazing story too.

[A]

Yes. She, she spent like 10 years in prison in a men's prison.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Came out and started working with Justin Trancer.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

Write this amazing Justin.

[B]

Have you met him before? He's so nice.

[A]

Yeah, Justin, yeah.

[B]

So nice. And also with Cheyenne Jackson who I, I love. I used to make protein shakes for him.

[A]

We're hair transplant buddies now.

[B]

Oh, fantastic. Oh, I love that same person guy.

[A]

No. Oh, but we just, we're in this, we're in the sisterhood. Oh, cool. He's had five.

[B]

Yes, he's. He spoke about that.

[A]

He is very public about it. He commented, he just said, he commented on my thing. He was like, I've had five hair transplants.

[B]

He just had said. Talk about El Monito socks. Yes. I love him so much.

[A]

So you think you're better than us cuz you don't need a hair transplant.

[B]

Yes. If you need to borrow some follicles, I got some for you.

[A]

Pull it back, let me see.

[B]

You're at my hairline.

[A]

Yeah, let's see where you're at.

[B]

No, I'm like cute right now.

[A]

Yeah, wake it up. I know what it means. When, when, when we all wear your hair down like this. You think, you think it's my first time with the rodeo?

[B]

It does make me look younger.

[A]

Hiding your hairline.

[B]

Five years younger. Yeah, 30.

[A]

Yeah, yeah, exactly.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Thinking you like, like you like you the queen of the hair.

[B]

I'm not.

[A]

You used to fight back. What's going on? Ever since that guy held the gun to your head.

[B]

I've changed. No, one time Bob action was like, well, you're too nice. You don't actually like to fight too much.

[A]

I said, you're too nice. Yes. Yeah, you. You are. You're nicer than I.

[B]

Well, I was very scared by the fandom, so I think I kind of got a little like. I don't want to talk about anything like.

[A]

You mean on the podcast or from Drag Race general?

[B]

Yeah, from Drag Race. Then being on podcast. Podcast and stuff.

[A]

Why did the. What did the fans do this? That shook you up?

[B]

They were very mean.

[A]

Do you want to give any, like. What do you mean? Like, like in the comment section. Right. Or in person?

[B]

In the. Yeah, in person at my meet.

[A]

In person at my meet and greet. That's. That's crazy.

[B]

I'm just kidding. I'm just kidding.

[A]

No, but the fans online are not the fans in person.

[B]

It's true. They can't afford to go to a show.

[A]

They probably can't afford to go, but they're. They don't actually have. They can't. They can't emotionally afford to be as bold in person as they are are online.

[B]

True that.

[A]

I've learned that. I've learned they don't have the social currency to engage in nastiness in the way they do on the Internet.

[B]

Yeah. Because I. I'll break your arm.

[A]

Because you and you and you and you have a boyfriend who. Who has.

[B]

I don't have a boyfriend.

[A]

Cabinet. He.

[B]

He's not talking to me, actually.

[A]

What'd you do? What happened?

[B]

Well, he's said from the get go that he's not in a place to, like, do anything serious. So that's. Whatever. It's cool. He has guns.

[A]

When you lay down. When you lay down with a Beretta.

[B]

Isn't that a cheese?

[A]

No, Beretta's burrata.

[B]

Oh.

[A]

What kind of guy do you want to date? You might find him. Maybe he's watching. Listen, I'm asking a couple questions and you'll answer, all right? Where does he live?

[B]

I mean, ideally in la, right? Because that's where I live.

[A]

How far were you? Except Australia.

[B]

This is a little far.

[A]

Okay, so we're gonna move it back. England.

[B]

It seems a little far.

[A]

Okay. New York?

[B]

Possible, but I don't trust that. Ohio is a little too far.

[A]

Nebraska, I think. Nevada. So LA County.

[B]

Anaheim.

[A]

Anaheim. Anaheim.

[B]

School.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

San Diego. San Diego. It's a little too far.

[A]

San Francisco. So San Francisco is way too far.

[B]

Maybe.

[A]

So you have to be. The furthest you can be is. You can't pass Disney. Me? No. Okay. We accept your boundaries.

[B]

I just don't travel that Far often.

[A]

We accept your brand. Okay.

[B]

How much does it see you.

[A]

What does he look like physically? His body, his, his body type?

[B]

He's taller than me.

[A]

So how tall are you?

[B]

I'm five ten and a half.

[A]

So you have to be five, eleven and up?

[B]

Yes.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

And then I think stature wise, like, big enough to.

[A]

So no skinny guys. You're canceling all the skinny guys out?

[B]

I think so. Only because I'm a big girl. I don't know. I could be with the skinny guy. But, like, it's okay to have your standards. I'm not sure I'm open.

[A]

Your preferences are your preferences.

[B]

I, I'm open. But I will say I like body hair.

[A]

This is, this is a must have.

[B]

No, but I, I, I, I would be more fond of it.

[A]

Okay. We want him to have body hair.

[B]

Love body hair.

[A]

Like back hair.

[B]

If it's that hairy, sure.

[A]

But like, but you want mostly chest hair.

[B]

Hot.

[A]

This is my friend Mitch. Is this the kind of body hair you're talking about?

[B]

I came on to him in Hawaii and he kept it very, very professional because I was like, oh, I just want to see it. And then I feel like you said, yes, you. Or like Monet was just like, just ask him. I think you said that actually.

[A]

That sounds like something Monet was saying.

[B]

Just ask him. He'll show it to you. So I was like, okay, maybe I'll ask.

[A]

I think Monet was. Because that wasn't, that wasn't there.

[B]

No, you, you've, I think maybe, I think you said it before.

[A]

Maybe he do, he do be hoen.

[B]

I know. So I was like.

[A]

But he's also professional.

[B]

He's very professional. And we were working together. We're on a gig together.

[A]

He do be ho. But he's also, he's very, he do like Latino guys.

[B]

Oh, I'm not. See, that's the thing. I feel I'm not Latino enough for the guys who like Latin guys.

[A]

I want to be clear. You look super Hispanic.

[B]

Yes, but I'm not like,

[A]

talk to me, communicate. I'm not Latino, so you won't offend me.

[B]

I know I'm not. Like, I feel like when white guys like Latin guys, they like, like, like Vanjie. No, they like, like a fresh off the boat type Latin boy. Oh, you know what I mean?

[A]

Then you have an accent.

[B]

Yeah. Triggered what?

[A]

Accent?

[B]

Yeah, it's a big trigger.

[A]

Oh, you're not having an accent.

[B]

Yeah, apparently. Yeah.

[A]

It's a trigger for you.

[B]

No, it's a problem.

[A]

Oh, I'm sorry, I didn't mean to trigger you. No, I apologize. Have you. Does anyone, your family have an accent?

[B]

All of them. Yeah.

[A]

You're the only one doesn't have an accent.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

How does that feel?

[B]

Oh, and what was that like? That's right.

[A]

I got there from Meatball.

[B]

Meatballs.

[A]

That's that question. So. Okay, so this is. So this is a. Okay, we'll. We'll get out of.

[B]

It's the thing that I noticed, like, guys that I. That, like, are like, like Latin guys. They like. Like Latin Latin guys.

[A]

Got it. I understand.

[B]

Like pv.

[A]

Like Puerto Vallarta.

[B]

Yeah. You know what I mean?

[A]

I've been to pv, but not really. Like, I have passed through pv.

[B]

You've never been to PV like that?

[A]

No, I've been to pv. I went. I. I spent one New Year's in PV last New year. That was in pv.

[B]

Oh, I wasn't. I was at Pride.

[A]

Okay, so what does he do? What does this guy do for a living?

[B]

This guy? Okay, so I have two options. One, he has a career where he's like, really well off and makes a lot of money.

[A]

Like in finance?

[B]

Yeah, something like that. Like some kind of executive, some sort. But the other one is they work in the entertainment industry. They're just not a performer and they're like a producer of some sort. Executive producer.

[A]

So he cannot.

[B]

So they understand my lifestyle.

[A]

Are all drag queens off the board?

[B]

Yes.

[A]

No. Are comedians off the board?

[B]

No. Oh, they're good.

[A]

Okay, so no drag queens, but we have comedians.

[B]

Yeah, comedians work.

[A]

Okay, nice.

[B]

They're like Kevin Hart status Broadway.

[A]

Oh, they got to be famous. Famous.

[B]

I mean, I don't.

[A]

So you don't want. You don't want someone doing spots down at the. The Yuck Yuck Hut?

[B]

No, they still are doing spots because that's what comedians do. But, like, you have to be established and, like, have your together. I don't think.

[A]

No. Up and coming.

[B]

I don't think I can date a struggling artist. I'm the struggling artist artist here.

[A]

What if y' all struggle together? You may struggle less or. You thought that.

[B]

I thought that that would be an amazing idea. But then I get successful and I gain traction and then someone gets resentful.

[A]

Is this from experience? You dated a struggling artist?

[B]

No, he wasn't an artist.

[A]

Oh, he was just struggling.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I find he was just struggling with life.

[B]

I'm having a hard time too, with my friends right now where it's like, like, I'm trying to be successful and, like, we're all trying to be successful. And I. I have a fear that, like, I. They think I'm leaving them in the dust, but I'm not. But it's just like, I have to go and do this in order to, like, continue doing stuff. So it's hard sometimes with friends.

[A]

Have you spoken to your friends openly about that? The feeling that you're having open communication can save a relationship. It can really save a relationship.

[B]

You know, they just be mad and I'm like, I don't know what to do. I have to go work.

[A]

I mean, me and Monet very openly communicate.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Oh, yeah. In front of people. Oh, my God. One time we had an episode here recently that we had to shut the whole fucking thing down. Wait, really? And then go talk in the fucking.

[B]

Wait, for real?

[A]

Yeah. Kane was here for it.

[B]

Really? What was it about?

[A]

It was. It was about raising a pet together.

[B]

That's why I work.

[A]

Yeah. And a lot came up during our. I mean, the episode's never gonna come out. It was so uncomfortable.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And then Monet was doing a bit. I didn't like the bit. She thought I was doing a bit. I was not doing a bit. And then we just had to go and fucking talk it out.

[B]

Wait, are you my therapist?

[A]

I am certainly not qualified to be anyone's therapist.

[B]

I feel like we've gone through the gamut of like. Like, dating friends, guns. We talk about it all, really.

[A]

There's something about me that I think that a lot of people feel really comfortable talking earnestly with. I think that I give people a sense that they can be comfortable with me and they can be themselves.

[B]

Have you ever thought of being, like, a Dracter therapist?

[A]

Never. Not once. Not even one time in my life. Because I. I actually really like talking about people's problems and stuff, but I think I like talking about myself even more. And somehow I would end up injecting bits of my own life into the. I don't think I can talk to someone without talking about myself for an hour.

[B]

Well, it's all, you know, is yourself.

[A]

That was. Is that. Is that like. Is that one of those, like, you come in the world alone, you leave alone?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Have you ever thought about what you would like your last words to be?

[B]

No, I haven't thought about that. I. I actually don't know how I'm gonna die or when. But I always.

[A]

Most of us, to be clear, that's like when Tyra Banks said, the moment food touches my tongue, I can taste it. Most of us don't Know, most of us don't know how or when we're

[B]

gonna die, but I had this feeling that I was gonna die very young.

[A]

Well, that, that ship.

[B]

Oh, my God. Cut to the headline. Selena's titties Drag race. Drag queen found dead with a gun. Still middle aged with a bullet wound in her.

[A]

But what are you saying? You thought you're gonna die young? Why'd you think that? Probably because you were at Stockton.

[B]

Well, yes. Well, when I was doing drugs too, I wanted to die really early.

[A]

That's right. You're a drug addict.

[B]

Yeah, I wanted to die before 27. I didn't think. Think being gay past 27 was like, worth living.

[A]

I mean, you didn't see your uncle and thought that Tio Roberto, Tia Roberto was like living a life that you thought was fun?

[B]

Well, that what had happened. What had happened with that was like in eighth grade. Or was it third grade? These kids were like, bro, your uncle's got rainbow stickers all over his car. I was like, yeah, they're all over the house and the streets. You should see it. Sickening. And then they're like, no, that means it's a it. And then that's when I knew that gay was bad.

[A]

In seventh grade. You didn't know seventh grade.

[B]

That was in third grade.

[A]

Oh, Jesus Christ. Third grade. Yeah.

[B]

So that's when things started to shift for me.

[A]

But you didn't. When you were like, when you were out in the streets doing drugs and stuff, you didn't think to yourself, my God, Tio Roberto is so happy. He's dressing up like Gaga. He's living the life he's got.

[B]

He.

[A]

He did. He. He is an outfit repeater, which is apparently a crime in your eyes. But besides his offensive outfit repeating, he seems to be living a really happy life. Life.

[B]

Yeah. But there was a thing that happened.

[A]

Is he married?

[B]

When he broke up with his boyfriend at the time, he moved into my, my house with my parents and us. And then like, he lived on the couch. And so in my mind I was like,

[A]

you thought it was because he was gay?

[B]

It's not because he was gay, but it was just like my example of gay kind of shifted a little bit there. Yeah.

[A]

Because you saw like, you saw the, the broken up relationship.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Okay, that's interesting.

[B]

I never thought about that. Is that the reason why I feel like I can't find a man?

[A]

I mean, I don't want to put it all on T. Roberto. That seems a little heavy for, for a Lady Gaga impersonator.

[B]

I Called him a once when I was a teenager, mad at him. And then he. He came back. He's like, you're the.

[A]

And he ate.

[B]

He ate me up.

[A]

He said. He said. He said, I'll tell you who the faggot is, honey. And then he held up a mirror. Cut to you on Drag Race, sucking dick in the dark room.

[B]

Come to my party. It's called Print Party. It's a sexy party.

[A]

We're gonna find you online.

[B]

Find me on Instagram.

[A]

You know, our. Our listeners really love you a lot.

[B]

Do they? I love the cousins.

[A]

You're a fan favorite here.

[B]

I feel like I'm a cousin of your alls.

[A]

I. I wanted you to know that. Give me your hand. No, like this. I really like you a lot, and I hope that you feel that. People always say they don't know how I feel about them, which is crazy. I feel like I'm so, like, explicit with my words.

[B]

You are, and I feel that from you. And I love it. I feel like you're my. The older brother I never had. You're like the older sis, the much older sister I always crave to have.

[A]

Why I gotta be old? Do you really see me as that much older than you? Do you. When you think of me, are you like, bob is older than me? All right, that's enough. I think. I think we've. Give me these glasses. This is the glasses you're using to see. To see through y'. All. This, y' all queen. This, y' all queen.

[B]

I have astigmatism.

[A]

Bye, everybody.