No Rivalry (With Gottmik)

Summary

Sibling Rivalry Podcast — “No Rivalry (with Gottmik)” (October 6, 2025)

Episode Overview

This special episode of Sibling Rivalry is dubbed “No Rivalry” as Bob the Drag Queen (Bob, aka James) goes duo with Gottmik—drag artist, makeup innovator, and RuPaul’s Drag Race alum—while their usual podcasting partners Monet X Change and Violet Chachki swap with them for another show. The conversation is hilarious and unrushed, touching on drag tour stories, the complexities of post-Drag Race fame, growing up queer and religious, tour and fan drama, the inside scoop on iconic queens, and the real tea behind infamous memes and makeup choices. The episode is filled with memories, shade, candid banter, and surprising vulnerability—all laced with their signature comedic energy.

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Main Themes and Key Discussion Points

1. Wife Swap/Podcast Spouse Swap

• [01:28] The episode’s premise: Bob and Gottmik teaming up while Monet pairs with Violet Chachki on No Gorge.
• Wife swap energy: “How do you think they’re doing without us right now?” (James, 01:56)

2. Drag Queen Tardiness & Backstage Stories

• [02:03–03:01] Running joke: Who is the tardiest drag queen? Violet, Valentina, Monet, Chachki.
• Memorable moment: Valentina justifying her lateness — “‘Do you want me to feel bad every day?’ I’m like, no bitch, we don’t want you to be late.” (James, 02:38)
• Gottmik is “psychotically amazing” at being on time (Bob, 03:08), explaining her anxiety about being late after a late-night filming.
• Both hosts share getting ready chaos and joke about makeup routines—Gottmik loves Typology’s green color corrector. Not sponsored, just a fan. (03:38)

3. Drag Race Review Drama and Internet Critiques

• [05:24–07:29]
• Discussion of queens reviewing Drag Race seasons and the madness from passionate fans.
• “Everyone is not for these review streets.” (James, 06:17)
• Drag Race fans call out hosts for perceived bias: “If me and Monet don’t like someone for the season, then everyone’s like, you’re bullying them because they’re fat or … twink or … white or … old.” (James, 06:29)
• Gottmik acknowledges most queens are beloved, but not everyone, referencing an unnamed “red flag” director and the rumors about drag race connections.

4. RuPaul’s Favorite Queens & Rumors

• [08:39–10:28]
• Gottmik’s status as a “former favorite,” dethroned by future stars like Georgeous and Lawrence Chaney.
• “RuPaul’s favorite is just whoever she literally wants to like.” (Bob, 09:03)
• Amused speculation over RuPaul’s real preferences—“Does she have a twink thing?” (09:03)
• Fun asides about drag family lore and RuPaul’s legendary Emmys party antics.

5. Examining Drag Race Personas and Path to Fame

• [10:37–14:44]
• Blue Hydrangea’s creative drag and overlap with Gottmik as a “West Coast Aquaria”—both are FITM fashion school alumni, nearly the same age, and share similar creative upbringings.
• Gottmik clears the air about “rich kid” rumors: “My dad was driving Uber, and my mom works at Target.” (Bob, 13:30)
• Candid about hustling: downtown LA living room apartments, working at Fashion Nova, gig hustle, and faking special effects expertise by watching YouTube in Ubers.
• Bob and Gottmik’s path to working for celebrities, being one of the first to put drag queens on magazine covers, and early club stories.

6. Drag, Religion, and Queer Upbringing

• [17:27–19:44]
• Discussion of Gottmik’s new music (“Holy Disco,” “Riot”) and growing up deeply Catholic—school, baptism, and how the drag and church worlds collided.
• Hilarious baptism stories: “I got Eureka dunked—like, two or three times. Because I was like, did it work? I’m still gay.” (James, 18:35)
• Shared experiences of religious family backgrounds and discovering drag/theater as an act of transformation.

7. Injury Stories and Drag on the Road

• [21:19–22:32]
• The infamous “beekeeping” look: Gottmik’s GLAAD Awards appearance with a broken arm, managed with Gothic flair and fashion improvisation.
• Wildest drag-related injuries: “First red flag: it was a trans person who broke your arm. So you felt visible that day.” (James, 20:50)
• The lore of arm wrestling challenges—with Bob recounting being goaded to arm wrestle Mark at a food truck, and winning.

8. Tour Dynamics & Show Production

• [25:08–27:09]
• Inside scoop on the Knockout tour with Violet Chachki—a rock vs. glam rivalry on stage.
• Upgrading from bar gigs to theater shows: “This one’s like we’re doing theaters, so it’s more like production, we’re just going psychotic.” (Bob, 25:48)

9. Drag Queen Friendships, Karaoke Showdowns, and Emotional Moments

• [27:22–31:55]
• Anecdotes about drag queen gatherings, karaoke mishaps with truculent hosts, drama over singing order, and group nights out gone tumultuous.
• Violet’s more sensitive side revealed—“Violet started getting emotional: ‘They don’t want to hang out with me…’” (James, 30:43)
• Friendship is emphasized amid the chaos: “You and I, when we get together, we cut up. I love hanging out with you.” (Bob, 27:09)

10. Drag Trends, Labubu Toys, and Social Commentary

• [33:30–35:15]
• Gottmik’s opinions on collectible toy trends and perceptions of identity or taste: “I love her. I love the bob.” (Bob, 34:35)
• Stories about custom Labubu dolls for Lady Gaga and backstage tales.
• Twink lore and “Battle of the Twinks.” (36:12)

11. Celebrity Encounters: Gaga & Madonna

• [35:33–39:57]
• Amusing behind-the-scenes stories about meeting Lady Gaga and Gottmik being critiqued by Madonna herself: “What’s with her face? Why is she so white?”—“That’s kind of her thing!” (James & Madonna, 38:00)
• Madonna nearly banned Gottmik’s iconic makeup style from the show—humorously relayed, but with a real edge.

12. The Realities of the Drag Race Machine

• [41:26–42:15]
• The inside process for getting booked on big tours—Bob clarifies he had input but no final say on Madonna’s drag performers.
• “If you ask a straight guy to come... he’s literally up there in Crocs and cut-off shorts.” (James, 41:53)
• Both discuss what drag means to them—Bob’s origin story is rooted in pure love for the art form.

13. Drag Longevity, RuPaul, and Aging in Drag

• [43:01–44:56]
• When does a queen become old guard? “I’ve been doing drag since 2008—17 years now.” (James, 43:24)
• Bob affectionately jealous of Gottmik’s real-life friendship with RuPaul, recalling wild Emmys memories: “Did you just hold your phone up? And she was like, let’s FaceTime my husband.” (James, 44:12)
• Gottmik unlocking Ru’s “knee-slapping laughter.”

14. Fashion, Makeup, and Iconic Drag Looks

• [45:10–51:46]
• Host praise for Candy Muse’s fashion and makeup: “I think Candy is so fucking fashionable!” (James, 45:18)
• Debate about notorious drag looks—bag look “I stand by that. I don’t care.” (Bob, 45:51)
• Friendly fashion critique and defense—“Sometimes everyone’s wrong.” (James, 46:11)
• Gottmik’s “God complex” about misunderstood looks, and nods to Nymphia and Plastique as queens whose packages feel personally meaningful.

15. Colorblindness, Look Reviews, and Drag Culture Satire

• [47:05–52:38]
• Bob’s red-green colorblindness—funny attempt to guess the numbers in colorblindness test circles, always just a bit off.
• Live critique of Bob’s animal-themed looks from tour, with Gottmik’s honest take: “It does look like a flamingo. See? I mean, do the snake one.” (Bob & James, 51:58)

16. Creating Iconic Moments and Self-Awareness

• [53:12–61:14]
• Gottmik’s favorite looks are culture-forward or personally meaningful—“My Tale and Two Titties moment for my trans woman, I think it was cool to start a conversation just through a fashion moment.” (Bob, 52:41)
• Recounting the “Gottmik. Yes you, Bonnie girl, baby!” Drag Race performance and how the isolation of COVID shaped the show’s format.
• Gags about Drag Race “crown” memes, the curse of “crowning lines” in confessionals, and sharp critique of talentless contestants.

17. Drag Race, Untucked Trauma, Apologies, and Closing Lore

• [57:00–62:11]
• Revealing behind-the-scenes nerves and tearful breakdowns during “All Stars 10,” particularly about being in prosthetic boobs and blonde wig—a deep moment of drag dysphoria.
• Power of friendship and apology: Bob publicly apologizes for strong-arming Gottmik into a triggering music video role, with Gottmik graciously accepting: “You were a real champ that day… if you ever need me in the Holy Disco music video…” (James & Bob, 61:26)

18. Upcoming Tour and The Drag Show Machine

• [62:17–64:19]
• Gottmik plugs her “Knockout” tour with Violet: 50 North American cities, aerials, dancers, big production value.
• Details about the logistics, bus living, costume changes.
• Affirmations of Violet Chachki’s singular drag talents; praise for the intergenerational drag sisterhood.

19. Lady Gaga Fandom and Future Plans

• [65:16–65:52]
• Both are huge “Little Monster” (Lady Gaga fan) apologists—planning a Gaga trivia showdown with other drag queens.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On lateness among drag queens:
  “Do you want me to feel bad every day?” – Valentina (retold by James, 02:38)
  “No, bitch, we don’t want you to be late.”

• On RuPaul’s shifting favorites and taste:
  “RuPaul’s favorite is just whoever she literally wants to like.” – Bob (09:03)
  “She met [her husband] on a dance floor… this man makes RuPaul look like you.” – James (09:17)

• Dispelling rich kid rumors:
  “My dad was, like, driving Uber, and my mom works at, like, Target.” – Bob, as Gottmik (13:30)

• On hustle, drag, and cultural significance:
  “I would tell everyone I could do anything… then I’d be in the Uber, watching YouTube tutorials.” – Bob, as Gottmik (14:44)
  “Some of the best looks are, like, special to people.” – Bob, as Gottmik (52:41)

• On Drag Race review drama:
  “Everyone is not for these review streets.” – James (06:17)
  “The internet can’t decide if I hate twinks or if I’m obsessed with twinks… They’re like, you don’t like Blair St. Clair because you want to top her.” – James (06:43)

• Madonna’s read of Gottmik’s makeup:
  “What’s with her face? Why is she so white?” – Madonna, told by James (38:00)

• Bob’s advice on drag fashion critique:
  “Sometimes everyone’s wrong.” (James, 46:11)

• On drag longevity:
  “When are you an old ass drag queen? Is it 20 years?” – James (43:16)
  “I think it’s a vibe.” – Bob (43:19)

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Important Segment Timestamps

• Late drag queens & Valentina story: 02:00–03:10
• Review show drama & fan backlash: 06:06–07:40
• RuPaul’s favorite queens discussion: 08:50–10:30
• Fashion school, hustling, and early careers: 10:40–14:40
• Rich kid rumors addressed: 12:30–14:40
• Drag and religious upbringings: 17:37–19:44
• Broken arm and GLAAD Awards bee look: 21:19–22:32
• Knockout tour logistics: 25:08–26:30, 62:17–64:19
• Karaoke night drama: 27:22–28:54
• Violet’s emotional side and drag queen sensitivity: 30:41–31:55
• Labubu toys, Gaga, and twink lore: 33:30–36:12
• Madonna critiques Gottmik’s makeup: 37:43–39:07
• Bob colorblindness segment: 47:05–48:11
• Iconic look review: 50:51–52:38
• Untucked, breakdown stories: 57:00–59:36
• Reconciliation over music video: 60:10–61:26

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Tone and Style

The episode is brash, hilarious, self-aware, and warm—encompassing equal parts drag insider drama, body-positive shade, self-deprecation, and deep appreciation for queer sisterhood. Both hosts drop sharp reads, reveal behind-the-scenes tea, and share real moments of vulnerability, all without taking themselves too seriously. The repartee never flags and the stories feel intimate yet outrageous.

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Final Thoughts

“No Rivalry (with Gottmik)” showcases the best of drag world podcasting: inside jokes, showbiz gossip, irreverence, candor, and a real sense of chosen family. Gottmik’s honesty about personal struggles and professional hustle pairs perfectly with Bob’s cheerfully incisive interviewing. Fans get unforgettable anecdotes (Madonna’s shade, broken arms at GLAAD, RuPaul at the Emmys), deep dives into drag artistry, and a behind-the-curtain peek at what makes drag culture thrive—and survive—on and offstage.

Transcript

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[Bob the Drag Queen]

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[James]

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[Bob the Drag Queen]

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[James]

My name is Bob the Drag Queen.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

And I'm.

[James]

My name's James, and this is sibling rivalry.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

On this week's episode, we do a wife swap.

[James]

Madonna reads Gottmik's makeup for filth.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

And we find out what made Bob say this.

[James]

Do you want me to feel bad every day? And we found out what made Gottmik say this.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I stand by that. I don't care.

[James]

I am so excited to be here. We're doing a wife swap. A trading spouses. And my wife is over at no Gorge.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Yes, she is.

[James]

How do you think they're gonna. How do you think they're doing without us right now?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I. Girl, are they even? Did they make it in the same room?

[James]

Okay, I will say this. Monet is not necessarily late, but I am always there before Monet.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I will say this. Violet is always late.

[James]

Oh, everyone knows Monet. Violet is the. Well, I mean, we've had this conversation. Everyone on the Internet has this conversation a thousand times. It's a toss up between Violet, Chachi, and Valentina.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Oh, Valentino might win.

[James]

And I was on tour with both of them at the same time.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Well, they probably amped each other up, too.

[James]

Oh, they very, very much. Big upping each other. And one of my favorite moments was we were in, I think, Canada or somewhere. Denver. I can't remember? And the lateness had gotten so bad that we had to have. We had to call a meeting.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Right.

[James]

But we have to, like, we have to. We have to talk about this lateness. Like, this is crazy. And then Violet was kind of. Violet was like, I'm late. I'll try to work on it. And Valentina was like. She goes, you want me to feel bad because I'm late, but I'm late every day. Do you want me to feel bad every day? I'm like, no, bitch, we don't want you to be late.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Like, kinda.

[James]

Yeah, you want me to feel bad every day?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

A little bit, if that's what that means.

[James]

No, but how are you with being on time?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I'm actually psychotically amazing with being on time. Like, I'm a little too punctual.

[James]

Well, I got a crazy text this morning from you.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I'm in Taurus psychosis.

[James]

It was like, don't be mad at me.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Yes. Yes.

[James]

Please don't scream.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Yes. The. No Gorge. Ptsd. But I literally had. I was filming until like three in the morning last night. And my under eyes, I so burned in.

[James]

You look great. Are you wearing concealer or anything?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I'm wearing a green color corrector. My new favorite thing.

[James]

Oh, gang, gang. Who's it by?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Typology.

[James]

Okay.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Not sponsored.

[James]

Not sponsored.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

A fan.

[James]

Just a fan. Just a fan.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Yeah. But yeah. So I was at like three in the morning, I got here and then I had a call at 8am and I was like in the middle of my Google teams meeting with all these people, like, doing my hair. Freaking out.

[James]

Like, bob, your hair also looks very nice.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

My God, Bob, stop.

[James]

Do you want to give me a compliment? Do you want to give me a compliment?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Okay. I love your.

[James]

It shouldn't be this hard.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

The texture of your head today.

[James]

Should it be that hard? Okay, you're on the Google Meets the team of. Meets the Google teams. The jeans. The blue jeans meeting.

[Narrator/Advertiser]

Yes.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

And I was just freaking out, doing like, my hair. I was like, bob, please don't be mad at me. I'm late. Like, I'll be there in five minutes. And it was literally not like, not even nine in the morning.

[James]

I was like. I was like. I was like, girl, it's like for an hour. It's not even for an hour. And you're like, oh. I mean, is Violet nice to work with? Like, if you were late for Violet, what would that be like?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I mean, that would be when pigs fly at that point. I mean, she would understand because it's Usually opposite, I feel, so she understand. But, yeah, the late. I think she would be. I mean, clearly, I think she would be crazy, because I would text. I mean, that.

[James]

That crazy. If you got there after Violet, how late are you? If it's just tomorrow, the next day? At this point?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Yeah.

[James]

Violet has a real soft spot for you. Like, she. She's, like, nicer to you than she is to anyone.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I mean, she's actually low. She's a super nice person, believe it or not.

[James]

I.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Like, she's the best person ever, and she just knows what she wants and will get it and. Which I think is fierce in a way.

[James]

So, I mean, I like her. I like her. She's cool with me.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Yeah, she loves you.

[James]

I'm gonna ask a couple of questions, please. Okay, so you have done two seasons of RuPaul's Drag Race, and you have been critiqued by me and Monet.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Oh, yes.

[James]

While on Drag Race. So when. When. I don't know if you. How much you. I don't know how much you remember this. Do you watch any review shows?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I think during season 13, I was really into yours. Mm.

[James]

So you were there for the. The.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

The.

[James]

The drama that me and Monet had with Tamisha Mon?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Yes.

[James]

Yeah, it was. It was. It was. It was madness. It was. It was absolute madness. It was. It was insane. It was crazy.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Yeah.

[James]

Um, but then you and Violet were reviewing All Stars. Seven, right?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Nine.

[James]

Nine, right? Was it. No, Seven. Seven.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

With. With Raja. Oh, fashion photo review. Oh, yeah, we did.

[James]

So you got the heat. So listen, everyone, I will say this. Everyone is not for these review streets.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Wait, do you get that. Well, you don't get that level of crazy, but do you get that crazy like, the. The Drag Race get mad at us. Psycho breed.

[James]

So, okay, there's a lot of people who are mad at us. First of all, the Drag Race fans are always mad at us, because if me and Monet don't like someone for the season, then everyone's like, you're bullying them because they're fat or because they're a twink or because they're white or because they're this. They'll pick why we don't like this one person. Like, I just don't like their drag. It's really not. It's really not that deep. I swear. It's not that deep. Or because they're old or because they're blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. The Internet can't decide if I. If I. If I hate twinks or if I. If I'm Obsessed with Twinks. Or if my. They can't decide. They're like, you don't like Blair St. Clair because you want to top her.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Which is true.

[James]

Probably. I mean, I would, but I don't want to actively, like, want to. I'm not like, I'm not, like, having fever dreams. Yeah, yeah. But the whole thing is like, everyone's like. But I'm like, there's lots of Twinks who've been on Drag Race I don't hate. I just didn't like her run on Drag Race.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Right.

[James]

You know what I mean?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Yeah. You, Me.

[James]

So, I mean, because you, everyone, you did a great job. Everyone was fucking nice to you. First of all, I'll say this. You are one of those people who almost. Almost every person I have ever met who has met you, loves you.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Almost. For sure.

[James]

Almost. There's like one or two.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Name them. Name them.

[James]

I don't wanna. You know, you know who, you know who?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

You know, I could imagine.

[James]

Well, that one director who you. Who you had in the thing.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Oh, my God.

[James]

Who's one of my best friends.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Well, that says something about you, doesn't it, sweetie? Someone needs a discount on her music videos. That bad.

[James]

But anyway, that being said, no, he's. I've known him for years. Like, years.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I've noticed anyone that has eight pet tarantulas as a red flag,

[James]

he likes animals.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Oh, my God. Okay.

[James]

Oh, my God.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

So did Jeffrey Dahmer.

[James]

I've known him since he was like 19 years old and I was like 22.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I raised him. Yeah, okay.

[James]

I raised him. But everyone else really loves you. Everyone else I've met just can't get enough of you. And you've also kind of been dethroned, though, because you used to be one of RuPaul's favorites. You, you know, you were her favorite.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

And now Georgeous.

[James]

Georgeous and Lydia and. Oh, and I think the new favorite, favorite is Lawrence Chaney.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Oh, new. Are you?

[James]

I think, I think Lawrence Cheney. I think it's kind of a wild

[Bob the Drag Queen]

card because I'm like, okay, RuPaul's favorite. Just like whoever she literally wants to like. Is it like a twink thing?

[James]

I don't think she's into twinks. Is she? She doesn't seem like it.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I don't know. I. I'd be down. I feel like dead ass. Like, I would be so down for her and her husband.

[James]

I mean, I say to look at her husband, I think she likes gigantic. Or maybe they are double teaming some tiny little thing so hot. I mean, this is. He makes RuPaul look like you. This looks like you and Violet next to each other. Literally, this man is.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

They met on a dance floor.

[James]

I know, at the Palladium. The pyramid was the pyramid. On the dance with the pyramid, we

[Bob the Drag Queen]

just start making things up. I know, literally at Studio 55.

[James]

So I don't know. So, I mean, obviously at some point, RuPaul was into gigantic monster men. That is. That is clear. But in terms of drag, I think that she likes the queens who are. I don't know what it is, because her Lawrence Chaney obsession is, like, next level, right?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Maybe she just likes the name Lawrence Chaney.

[James]

I mean, she loves the. She loves. That's Lawrence's real name.

[Narrator/Advertiser]

Really?

[James]

Her real name is Lawrence Chaney?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

That's crazy.

[James]

I mean, it's a man's name. You think she chose Lawrence Chaney because it was cunty? It's not like Manuela Dupri.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I know she's choosing anything because it's.

[James]

But her body is tea. Her padding and her body.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

She's amazing at drag. It's so.

[James]

Yeah, she's. I think she's so sickening.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

So sickening.

[James]

What do you think of blue hydrangea? I think she's so fudgeing. Good.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Oh, my God. Yeah, I think I was. We followed each other before Drag Race, like, for makeup. Makeup girls.

[James]

I've been recently looking at her. Her fucking. She's like, documenting her outfits that she's making online lately, and she made, like, this Pride outfit, and she's like, I was an art school kid who dropped out of art school to pursue drag, and I'm like, oh, I can see because you're in our school. But, you know, you went to. You went for, like, product development. What'd you go?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Yeah, I went to fit them for, like. I was like, I'm fit them. Yeah. The Fashion Institute of Design and Merchandising.

[James]

Oh, my God. You are. Are you the West Coast Aquaria?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Yes, literally.

[James]

Wow. Gagger Gaga. That's the outfit she made. She did, like, a step by step recreation of this. Like, showed how she made this entire

[Bob the Drag Queen]

fit out of, what, gummy bears or

[James]

denim and, like, G gym beads or something? I don't know. It. It was a really cool.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

She's, like, really fab at makeup, too.

[James]

Wait, so you. You are lowkey. The West Coast Aquaria?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Yeah, it's a way to put it.

[James]

How do you know? Do you. Well, like, fashion school kids and, like, were you sneaking to the clubs, too?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Oh, My God. Yeah. Here in la.

[James]

You are crazy.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Yeah.

[James]

I was like, where Google Aquarius age?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I think she's like, dare I say older than me?

[James]

Do you think? So how old are you?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I literally just turned 29, like, last week.

[James]

Aquarius. Not 30. Okay, how old are you?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

What's your guess?

[James]

Okay, I met Aquaria One Drag Race. She was 21 years old. She was on season 10. That was seven years ago. Aquarius. 27.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

28, I guess she's 30.

[James]

Oh, you're the same age. 29. You're the same age. Well, you're 30.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

No, I'm 29.

[James]

Oh, my God. You're literally the same age. You are the. You're West Coast Aquarius. I cannot believe that this is never. It's not. It's just now clocking to me that you're standing on business.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Oh, my God. That's crazy. By being the west coast aquarium.

[James]

So.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

So.

[James]

Okay, can we address some of the Gottmik rumors, please? So the girl. The streets are saying. The streets are saying that you are, like, a rich kid who.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Right.

[James]

Who got on Drag Race with all your. With all your rich daddy money.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Yeah. That's so weird to me.

[James]

Is that not the tea?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Literally? No. At all. I don't. I mean, I guess I could, like, see where that, like, came from.

[James]

Were you comfortable growing up?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Yeah, no, for sure. Like, definitely comfortable, but I was definitely not rich at all.

[James]

Because everyone believes you were, like, the rich girl. Like, they were like, you are the. They were like. No, this is like the. Like, like the. The heir to the. To the throne.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Literally, like a Dubai princess. No. Yeah, the. It's crazy.

[James]

She is the Dubai chocolate bar.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Literally, like, it's super weird. I don't know. My. Literally. My dad was, like, driving Uber, and my mom works at, like, Target. Like, it's.

[James]

Oh, really?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Yeah, it's, like, not giving that. I don't know where that came from, but I think it was just because my outfits were, like, really.

[James]

They were. I mean, your. Your package was obviously very expensive for season 13 finale.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Right. Going into debt, honey. That was for sure a debt.

[James]

Well, you were working a lot, too.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Yeah, well, I was like, literally. Yeah, girl. I was not. I was literally living in someone's living room in downtown L. A. Spencer Nemet, who runs the. Wow. Social media in the living room.

[James]

Also, you knew someone at wow.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Whoa.

[James]

The inside T. Whoa.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Actually crazy when I auditioned for season

[James]

13, but the one who's always got that. The phone at the thing.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Yeah.

[James]

And, like, dresses, like, really bright Colors and stuff.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Yes. I was living in his living room in downtown, just, like, poor as hell. Working at Fashion Nova every single day. Working at Gap. I was doing the makeup for, like, E. Com. That was like, how I made, like, consistent money every single morning, like 4:00am Just, like, beating those girls in drag. And then I would do, like. They'd be like, can you do hair? I'd be like, of course.

[James]

Could you?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

No, I'd be like, on the. I would tell everyone I could do anything. They're like, can you do this crazy special effects? I'd be like, duh.

[James]

Absolutely.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

And then I'd be in the uber, like, watching YouTube tutorials, being like, your dad's driving Uber. No. Even sometimes. No, literally. And my, like, when I would start doing celebrities, I would literally would, like, look up the celebrity. Like, makeup tutorials. Like, Paris would be like, I'm getting ready today. Like, getting. Getting Cindy Crawford ready to be like, okay, so she likes her eyebrows like that, like, in the.

[James]

So you scammed your way to the top.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Yes, you did.

[James]

Okay, so didn't you, like, do. Unlike. Didn't Heidi Klum have a drag race?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Yes. Yeah.

[James]

Heidi Klum's drag race.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

That's how we met.

[James]

And didn't you paint her there?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Yes.

[James]

Tell me about this. This deep, deep Cade lore.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Deep cade lore. Yeah, I mean that I was just. I mean, basically I was going to school to be a fashion designer, and then I was doing makeup on myself and just posting on Instagram and then somehow got to, like, work doors at clubs underage, which is like, like insane. And I would be like, fully at one Oak, like crazy. And then in, like, drag wild. And then I was posting and then people would see me posting. It was kind of like, very lucky timing with it because Instagram was very, like, drag wasn't really crazy on there yet. This was just crazy to people that was posting this. So I gained, like, kind of a following through it. And then celebrities were like, we need you to put Paris Hilton in pearls. Drag. I'd be like, amazing. And at the time, drag queens weren't getting magazine covers and stuff, so I was like the first person. But, like, Alaska and drag on a magazine cover.

[James]

Plastic, right?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Yes.

[James]

You did that Yellow.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I did, like, all of them for that. Thank you so much. And like, all these magazines and then.

[James]

And you did for that one shoot with the disco ball looking thing.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Oh, yes, yes. Yeah. No, I painted, like, a lot of the girls never. I know.

[James]

Well, let's take a break and we'll talk about why you never painted me in a second.

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[James]

Okay, welcome back to Are we no Gorge? Are we. Are we no rivalry? Are we sibling gorge? Because they have to be the other one. What do you want to be?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

What? That's a good one.

[James]

I'm gonna say this is no rivalry because we're getting along really well.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

That, like, sounds. Oh, yeah, that's cute.

[James]

Yeah. So welcome back to no rivalry. We are here with Gottmik, who is. Has some new music out. Holy Disco and Riot. Why it's called Holy Disco?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

It just flowed out of us, baby. It's like a real. It's like a religious undertone theme and then it just became a disco.

[James]

Did you grow up religious?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Extremely, yeah.

[James]

What?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Yes.

[James]

What was your religion?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Catholic school. My whole life down. Did you get baptized in the Lutheran church? Yes.

[James]

Is it just a drop of water or did you get like, eureka dunked?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

No, didn't get Eureka. I would.

[James]

Sorry.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I'm sorry. No, just a little drop of water.

[James]

Oh. Cause I'm Baptist. I grew up Baptist. They dunk you?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Oh, yeah.

[James]

Like, they put you in like a. In like a. In like a whirlpool, basically. Like. Like a. Like a. Like a hot tub. And then they. They dunk you in front of the congregation. You get like, fully. I never understood this drop. That's not baptism. That's.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

There's like Jacuzzi jets.

[James]

Yeah. No, literally, I was. You go into the Jacuzzi and you get dunked in front of the congregation.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Like, literally Eureka dunked.

[James]

No, I literally got Eureka dun you. I've been.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I did it first.

[James]

I did it first. No, like two or three times. I got Eureka dunks.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

What? Why?

[James]

Because I was like, did it work? I'm still gay. I'm like, I don't think it worked. So I'm gonna. I gotta do it again because, like, obviously it didn't take.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Oh, my God. Really? That's what you thought?

[James]

Yeah, I was like, it didn't take.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Let's try this one more time.

[James]

Maybe I dried off too quick or something. I don't know. I need to be covered in the lamb and the blood of the lamb. So I got baptized once in middle school and twice in high school.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Okay.

[James]

Yeah.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

So that was like a parental force, or you were like, I need it again.

[James]

I went to church by myself. My family wasn't even going. I went to church alone because they used to. They used to come to our neighborhood and prophesize.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Oh, and you're like, sign me up.

[James]

Yeah, we've been playing basketball. They, like, go to, like, the. The neighborhood. And so we go by the basketball court, which sounds much more bush than it is. I. I didn't got to know. Like, I. I was not playing basketball. Cause I was like, I gotta be in the. I gotta ball. But I was like, that's what we do in my neighborhood. We play basketball. So I'm playing. And I was actually pretty good at it. I mean, that's not shocking. I'm six' two. I look like I used to play basketball. I don't like, I still do.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I look like a former basketball player.

[James]

I look like I could have gone pro.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

You know what I mean?

[James]

And anyway, so. And then I obviously got into theater, and I don't know, somehow the draft, it didn't take. So three times it didn't take. I assume I'm not fit for that kind of lifestyle.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

We could try one more time.

[James]

But you.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Eureka could do it, maybe.

[James]

Eureka. I don't think she's at the level to be baptizing people yet.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I mean, you never know with her.

[James]

One of my favorite comments under that post is, say Eureka's always on some side quest.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I loved that one.

[James]

Side quest is crazy. I was like, this is so true. That is always on some random side quests, doing some. So you and I ran as you invited on tour in, like, Austin, Texas.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

We are going to Austin. We're going, like, everywhere.

[James]

Do you remember when I ran into y' all in Austin, Texas?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Oh, yeah. And I had my arm broken.

[James]

No, your arm was broken when I ran into you at the. At the. At the Hilton.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Oh, I was arm wrestling.

[James]

Yes.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

With my left arm at, like, an extremely nice and trans day of visibility. First red flag.

[James]

But on the flat side, it was a trans person who broke your arm. So. Yeah, you felt visible that day.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Yeah, I guess. Visibly hating the trans community at that point. I blamed the whole community for that one.

[James]

Literally.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I got the extra. I was like, I'm detransitioning. I'm over.

[James]

Build a wall around WeHo. No, I. I ran into. I ran into Mick at the thing, and Mick is dressed like a beekeeper. Do you remember this.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Oh, my God.

[James]

So I'm at the GLAAD Awards. I was hosting the GLAAD Awards. And I see this beekeeper walk up to me, think Gothic Lady Gaga in Telephone, and I'm like, hey, girl. And she's like, it's me. And I was like, oh, Mick, it's me. I was like, oh, Mick, what's up? And then, like, this giant cast come up, and I'm like, girl, what's going on? She's like, I broke my arm.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

And.

[James]

And I was like, doing what? She's like, arm wrestling. And I was like. And I remember being like. I was on the way to, like, the reception, and I was like, oh, should we walk together? And then we ended up kind of, like, cutting up a little bit for the night. But I remember you. Yeah, you in this little. In this Gothic beekeeper look.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Okay, I will speak on that.

[James]

Can we make sure that it's visible here on screen?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I'm literally laughing so hard, I can't even speak the. So I broke my arm, and this was, like, the, like, beginning of my crazy depressions phase because I was so crazy. I was like, this is the end of my life. My arm breaking. Like, I will never work again in the industry. Like, I don't know why. And they. They didn't even put a cast on me. They just, like, wrapped it, and it was, like, snapped in half, so it was just, like, hanging off. And I was like, I still have to make it to the GLAD Awards, of course. Thanks, Psychotic. Like, I couldn't not go to the GLAD Awards for some reason.

[James]

Why didn't your rich mom who works at Target just fix it for you?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

You're. I mean, I'm sure the people in the comments will let you know why

[James]

they don't sell cast at Target. My God.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Literally. But. And I pulled. It was like. Also, my era was like, I need stylists. And. And they pulled all these amazing, like, archival Versace gowns and, like, amazing things for me, and I could not. It was just, like, hanging off. So I couldn't get into any dress. Like, it was impossible. I'm not wearing. No. It's hilarious. And I was pissed. And I was like, what do I do? And I was like, okay, if I wear, like, lingerie, it'll look like I don't have my arm broken. Like, it'll just look like stuff going on.

[James]

Giant sling across your chest with an A on it. Is. Oh, that the watermark? This is, like, giant sling. Like, they'll never know you're wearing no, you look like robocop.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I was like, no one will know.

[James]

And I like, you're also telling everyone.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

And I also had that hat.

[James]

This was a cut off, So I

[Bob the Drag Queen]

was like, no one will ever know. I broke my arm and.

[James]

Yeah, but then I ran into you, and in Austin, Texas. And this was when y' all were on your last tour. Oh, yeah, that's when I ran into you.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Yeah.

[James]

And then this happens to me all the time, by the way. And I'm telling you guys, I'm telling you, it's not something I'm doing. I'm telling you, it's not something I'm doing. People always challenge me to arm wrestling.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Oh, I saw you do it the other day, and I was pissed. I was like, girl, you, like, don't arm wrestle. Don't do that.

[James]

So there was this guy, that Asian guy that hangs out with y'. All. Or maybe he used to. I don't know if he still does.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I wonder who he was.

[James]

Like, one of your assistants. He's like a. Like a kind of buff Asian guy.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Oh, Mark.

[James]

Mark. So we're. So we're sitting down at this, like, outside of this, like, bar club thing, right? And we're at this. We're at the food court, so we're like, eating, like, hot dogs or something. It's like. It's like there's, like a food trucks right outside of this club. And we're all sitting there because we were all inside, but never outside. And then somehow, Mark, we talk about your arm breaking, and then somehow, I don't know how this ends up happening, but Mark is like, less arm wrestle. And I was like, well, I feel like arm wrestling is dangerous. And then he was like, no, we should. We should arm wrestle. And then I ended up fucking arm wrestling your friend, Mark.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Did you win?

[James]

I did win.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Okay. Yeah. He's like, little.

[James]

Yeah. Took him down and he challenged me. I was like, why you watch that before?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

He's like, I got this, everyone.

[James]

But what's. What's. What's. What's this tour about? The Knockout tour.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

This tour. I mean, it all kind of just started because, I mean, me and Violet fight a lot in a way.

[James]

You don't say.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Yeah.

[James]

Taking me. Money's branding.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Yeah.

[James]

Get your own thing.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

We have this, like, I don't know, sibling rivalry. I don't know how to call it something like that, literally. And. But it's like, she has this, like, classic burlesque vibe, and I have this, like, rock, like, psycho vibe. And so. But we always kind of end up in this like leather fetishy vibe, even though it's different. And I was like, it'd be really cool to do this like tour theme where it's like rock versus glam and then it's just kind of like battling it out.

[James]

Oh, nice.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

On stage. Yeah. And our first tour was like, we were going to bars and it was like a really fun, like bar tour. And then this one's like we're doing theaters. So it's more like production we're giving and we're going like. It's just very on brand press. We're just going psychotic.

[James]

I went to go see. I didn't get to see Yalls tour because I was on tour the time, but I did go see Violet's a lot More Me tour.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Oh, yeah, I saw you.

[James]

Yeah. Yeah, we ran into each other. Yeah. At the Orpheum or somewhere downtown. Yeah, that was. That was a really, really fun tour. And I've obviously toured with Violet. I would love to tour with you. You and I have.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

That'd be fun.

[James]

I don't think we've ever worked together.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I know. Isn't that weird?

[James]

There is. I have a picture somewhere in this office of me and you getting our caricature done at Hot Dog.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Love that. Love that photo.

[James]

Do you remember that?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I do, of course.

[James]

And I cannot find it. If I find it. This is the picture I have.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I have the photo of us holding it.

[James]

Yeah, it's so. And I remember. And I remember saying. Because I. I had just like rented this space and being like, I'm gonna frame this. It's gonna be one of the first things I put up in this space.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

And you're like, I accidentally threw it out though, instead.

[James]

No, it's not thrown out. I just don't know where it is. Cause you know, life has been happening and all that and stuff and the other. But it's a really. It's a really fucking fun. Cause we have. You and I, when we get together, we cut up.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

No. Cut up. I love hanging out with you and it would be so fun to work with you.

[James]

Well, one time. Last time we were hanging out was I think at Hot Dog. And Violet was so emotional that night. I don't know if I'm allowed to say really.

[Narrator/Advertiser]

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[James]

Yeah.

[Narrator/Advertiser]

Violet.

[James]

So Violet, like, it was me. So you were. That I invited you to that comedy show. That was kind of bad.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Oh yeah, I loved. That was bad, though. We were like laughing so hard because of how bad it was. It was just Everything to me. And I also love that night because we also went to karaoke that night.

[James]

Yes.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

And the, like, what do you call it? The karaoke. Like, gamekeeper.

[James]

Like, whoever hated you. Oh, couldn't. Oh, my God. That's the night he fighted.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Had it out for you.

[James]

Yeah. And then my friend Pink Fox. You know Pink Fox?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Yeah.

[James]

So I have two friends who are a little combative. Pink Fox and my friend and my friend Darrell. So Darrell's a dancer and Pink Fox is a comedian. And they were like, why is the. Why is the host not calling your music up? And then the host is like, what are you, like, famous or something? And I was like, I, I. I didn't walk up and say, I'm famous. But someone else was like, bob is famous. But I didn't walk up and go, hey, I'm famous.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I was like, may I please put a request in? And she's like, get the fuck out of your fame. It was crazy. And then. So we were.

[James]

So then Pink went over and, like, started picking a fight.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Oh, yeah?

[James]

Yeah. So Pink and Darrell went over and were like, let our friend sing, Carrie. Like, there were people going, like, four and five times, literally.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

And Bob and I were gonna perform an iconic medley of Defying Gravity. We were. But it was absolutely so crazy how much that this person hated you that I was like, I can't do this.

[James]

Yeah.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Like, we ended up leaving.

[James]

We ended up leaving because. Because they would not fucking play my. They would not put me up because I don't know what their fucking problem was. They didn't even know who I was. I could get it if you, like, knew who I was and you had it out against me for something I've said, but you have no clue who I am. You're like, you're not fucking famous. And I'm like, I never said I was famous. I just said. Can I put it, like, literally, that was what it was.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Oh, my God.

[James]

But anyway, back to the other time that we hung out. Okay. So we were hanging out, and I went to go meet you guys. Cause do you remember there's a picture of us.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Oh, my gosh. How did you find that so fast? It's amazing.

[James]

Jacob's asleep. Sleuth. So we were. It started I met you and Violet at this party, that outdoor party downtown.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Okay.

[James]

Like, I believe that one of you invited me. One of you was like, hey, come.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Oh, yeah. Summer Tramp.

[James]

Yeah, Summer, I think it was you invited me. Or maybe, but I can't remember. So I came down But I didn't realize that y' all were, like, on the stage dancing. I was like, oh, I was not dressed for this or prepared. Of course they're in, like, their designer.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

No. Yeah.

[James]

Like, what are these shoes? What are these shoes?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I was probably. These are both. This is brand called. It's just random.

[James]

What is. What's it called?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Both.

[James]

Oh, both. I thought you. I thought you, like, these shoes are both. I was like, yeah, I hope they're the same.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

They're both shoes.

[James]

They're both Balenciaga. Yeah, of course they would both be Balenciaga. So they're on stage, like, dancing. And I was like, oh, I don't want to be on stage. I thought he was going to be in the audience and, like, in the crowd. And, like, Violet and Mick are, like, on stage, like, being like, divas. And I was like, okay, this is crazy. So then we moved to the next place. And then I believe you rode with me or Violet. One of you rode with me, and the other one rode with someone else. So I drove. I drove Violet. Because then Violet started getting emotional.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Oh, I didn't even know. I don't think.

[James]

She was like. She was like, they don't want to hang out with me. I know. Fucking. Because we went. Because we went to fubar, I wanna say. And then you guys started. You walked from FUBAR to El Cid to get to Hot Dog Classic, or vice versa.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Yeah.

[James]

And then me and Violet were, like, looking for parking. And me and Violet were, like, walking around, trying to get up to the spot. But then by the time we got to fubar, y' all had gone to El Cid. And Violet was like, they're avoiding me. And I'm like, I don't think that's what it is. You're like.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

And then you start getting in your head and silence. You're like, are they avoiding me, too?

[James]

I was like, no. I think that this bar just wasn't fun. So they just went to Hot Dog. Like, I don't. I don't think they're avoiding you. She's like, they're avoiding me. They're avoiding me. Are they. I was like, wait, are they avoiding us? No.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

That's what I'm saying. She's like a little angel inside. She's like. Like, does.

[James]

But she was so. She was so hurt.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

A. We were just trying to have a good time.

[James]

But then we got. Then we reconvened at the party. And then, like, they love me. They. They're obsessed with me. Oh, my God. They won't Leave me alone. Leave me alone.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Yeah.

[James]

They're literally obsessed with me. We'll be right back.

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[James]

Are you. Are you interested in the Labubu craze or do you think it's. You don't like it?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

No. I mean, I like. I'm fine with it.

[James]

But you're. But you're not a hater?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

No, I definitely see it and understand the type of person you are. More though. I'm a hello judger, apparently.

[James]

Well, what kind of person are you? I'm gonna show you something. And I want you to give me your. I want to give you your. Your feedback and your feelings.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Okay.

[James]

Are you grabbing the one I'm gonna show?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I'm gonna dress like you.

[James]

What feeling? What feeling does this spark in you?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Can you hold it up to the camera? It's a laboboo in a knockoff Dior dress.

[James]

Knockoff? What makes you think this is a knockoff? You don't think I could afford real Dior?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Not with this studio overhead.

[James]

We have their front facing lights. How dare you? I've seen where you all film no gourd. You should be so lucky.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

That is so funny.

[James]

What is she? What is she? What. What feeling does she evoke in you?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I love her. I love the bob.

[James]

You would never wear a little boo Boo. What if it. What if it kind of had your vibe? What If I had, like, a white face.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Well, Marco Monroe actually does make custom. Have you seen his custom?

[James]

Yeah, they're amazing.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

They're so good. And he does do little spooky divas sometimes where he, like, draws in the eyes, like, all scary.

[James]

And you're kind of into it. They see.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Yeah, but I really just don't. Like, I first, when it came out, I was like, oh, it's like a rare thing. And they're, like, hard to get. But now I'm like, oh, you just buy it.

[James]

So it's not very hard to get. It's hard to get the one you want because you can't just order. You can't just order the labo, but you want.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Do you see? He made one for Gaga, and Gaga always has it turned around. I'm like, turn it around.

[James]

Oh, she doesn't know how to make the labor. Face forward. Is that Marco Monroe's?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Yeah.

[James]

How did he get to Gaga?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

He gave it to her at her concert.

[James]

He's handed it to her?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Yeah.

[James]

Like, from the audience.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

They went backstage or like, here.

[James]

Oh, he's friends with Lady Gaga.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Yeah. Well, yeah.

[James]

How?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I mean, we all just went backstage.

[James]

You just hanging out? Lady Gaga?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

No, you just go. What do you mean?

[James]

You just go. Clear it up.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

My friend Hunter was styling her. My friend Hunter likes Hunter. Yeah.

[James]

We're from Atlanta.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Oh, really?

[James]

Okay, so let me tell you a Hunter story. True story.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Okay.

[James]

Years ago, I was riding the train home in New York City, and this tiny twink walked up to me. I was in drag, and he was like, do you need someone to walk you home? Are you safe? And I looked at him and I was like, nigga, are you safe? Who's gonna walk you home?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

You are a twink, too.

[James]

I mean, at the time, I was still bigger than him. I was like, who's gonna walk you home?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Battle of the Twinks.

[James]

And he was like, well, you're in drag, and I just want you to make sure you get home safely. And I was like, well, let's just walk together. And then that was. That's Hunter. Years later, I find out that he is. So I was his first ever commission, really. He did the outfits for Monet X Change's Soak it up music video for the backup dancers.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Oh, my God.

[James]

These green and yellow split leotards that he made for that competition years ago. I mean, that music video years ago, that was the first time he'd ever been commissioned to make anything for anyone. We're talking about the same person, right?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I Don't think so.

[James]

Wait, Ramslam.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Oh, no, that's William. I was, like, discovering so much Hunter lore. I was like, whoa, who the is Hunter?

[James]

Because William did the outfits for. For the outfits for this.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Oh, yes. He, like.

[James]

He did, like, a lot of the outfits.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Yes.

[James]

Why did I think his name was Hunter? He's also got, like, four names.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Yeah, I call him Ramslam, too.

[James]

Yeah, because. Because, you know. You know. Yeah, the girls who know her know her.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

The girls slammed.

[James]

So, anyway, me and Hunt. Me and William.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Oh, that makes sense. That one.

[James]

Yeah.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Seems like she would walk a drag queen home.

[James]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Anyway, so. So wait, so you just went backstage and you, like, hanging out with you? Did you see her?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I. The night I went, she, like, never came out back. She was, like, in her dressing room, and I was like, can I tell

[James]

you a true story?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Yeah.

[James]

So you did the Madonna tour with me one night? Yeah. We were like. Because I like a lot of the drag queens. Madonna be like, what do you think of this queen? Like, should she come? Should she do things? I was like, oh, I love Mick. Everyone loves Mick. Mick is great. And then when you were.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

What happened?

[James]

Madonna was like, what's with her face?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

She's like, that skin tone is not

[James]

like, why is she so white? Can she just do a regular face? And I was like, no, that's kind of her thing. I was like, that's her thing. She, like, she does the white face, and she's like, it's just so white. Like, why can't she just like, I never told you this story. No, she was like, what's with her face? Like, why is she so pale? And I was like, no, it's like her thing.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Like, I mix mashed my foundation that bad.

[James]

I was like, she's not really pale, but it's her thing. I was like, em is her thing. She just does the. It's iconic. Trust me. It's iconic. Everyone loves it. Everyone knows her for this face. It's like. It's like. It's like a thing.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

All my comments that are like, she does the same makeup as all Madonna. She's like, she always does the same makeup from all her secret accounts.

[James]

But it was. I remember after we, like, had a sound check, she's like, what's with her face? And I was like, it's her thing. It's her thing. And she's like, like, no, okay, if you say everyone likes it, then I guess we'll. We'll let her do it.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

But in reality, all the comments are like, change our makeup.

[James]

But you were. You were this close to being like, I don't want her. Because she was like, I don't know about this face thing. I never told you that she said that.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

No, but it also makes sense. There was one time I was going to do something else with Madonna right before they were like,

[James]

because of the face.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Yeah. I hate said, apparently. I mean, it makes sense because I was like, literally the last time, too, but randomly, I showed up without the white face.

[James]

Oh, that's so funny. I don't think she hates, but I don't think she gets it. Yeah. She's like, what the fuck is up with this fucking pale bitch?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

If there's anything to get.

[James]

She also kind of doesn't like paleness. And you notice there was, like, one white dancer, right?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I mean, who really does?

[James]

So she was like, it's just all the whiteness, right. It's bothering me.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Like, oh, my God, I'm blind.

[James]

Which I'm kind of. I'm just kind of obsessed with that story that is. That really takes me out.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

No, it's hilarious.

[James]

I have a lot of stories from a lot of the. Queensland. Who did the shoe? Did it. Because you did it. One Queen did, like. I think Sapphire did it like, two or three times. Cracker did it twice in Seattle. Monet did it. Trixie did it. Plastique. Tiara did it.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Violet did it.

[James]

Violet. Aquaria. Aquaria was the first one to do it.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Oh, really?

[James]

Aquaria was the first rug girl to do it. She did it in Europe. And everyone. Everyone kept. Everyone thought that I was booking y'. All.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Oh, of course. No, I did it one time and I was getting like, girl. Like, rude girls being like, how do I get in there? I'm like, I don't know. Like, everyone.

[James]

I mean, like, Bob, I know. I know you booked Aquaria. I'm like, I do not work in hr.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Yeah.

[James]

On the Madonna tour. I am staff.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

We know.

[James]

We know you're doing it, so just get me up there. Oh, Monet. Miss Cracker. Your close friends.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Oh, right.

[James]

Oh, all the New York girlies. Wow. And I'm like, guys, I'm Swear to God, I'm not doing it. And I will say I did have a little bit to say. Now that the tour is over, I can say I had.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

The tour is over. I will say I was booking, but I did.

[James]

I did have. I had influence, right? I had influence, but I did not have. I. Obviously, Madonna has the final say, right? I never had the final say. She approved. Everyone yeah, but I would, like, I would. There were times where I would be like, have you thought about this girl? And she liked the queens because when she would get the other celebrities, they just wouldn't bring the looks, right?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Which happens.

[James]

Like, they would bring, like, they would literally be up there in, like, both and. I'm kidding. No, they literally be up there in, like, in, like, crocs and, like, cut off shorts and, like, especially I'm like, girl, if you ask a straight guy to come, a straight cisgender, heterosexual male. Man, man, he, him. I don't do pronouns. What do you think you're gonna get?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

100? No, I always think about that. I'm like, can you imagine being like, a famous straight guy that, like, you just wake up and you, like, put on your jeans and T shirt and then go perform for stadiums, like, sold out, and you're just like, in jeans. You're, like, woke up 20 minutes ago, like, time to do the game, which I hate.

[James]

Whenever.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

That's.

[James]

Oh. Whenever I go to a comedy club and I do some comedy and then, like, there's someone else there who, like, literally has, like, eye boogers and coke on their nose and, like, just crushed a Red Bull can on their forehead and went and did the show and then hopped in their Prius and drove away. I'm like, this is so annoying.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Started a podcast with that person.

[James]

But also, we chose this lie. You ever think to yourself, like, I didn't have to be a drag queen?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Did you start doing drag because you, like, love drag, or did you start because you're like, I need to get in the comedy space?

[James]

No, no, no, no. I was already doing comedy. Well, I was writing comedy, but I hadn't performed it yet. But I. I watched season one of Drag Race. I fell in love with it. I was like, this is so fun. I started going out in the New York City nightlife scene, and I just felt I still. I am still deeply, deeply in love with drag. Like, I absolutely love dressing up, being. Being camp. Over the top.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Yeah.

[James]

You know, it's just. It's just so. It's just so fun. I. I just. Now I've been doing it for so long. Like, how is. What. When are you, like, an old ass drag queen? Like, at what point are you, like, you're old. You're an old Queen. Is it 20 years?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I don't know if it's, like, even. I think it's a vibe.

[James]

Is it a vibe?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Yeah. No.

[James]

Okay.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I actually think you have opposite. Like, I think you can tell that you love drag.

[James]

Yeah, I really love it. I've been doing drag since 2008. 17 years now.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Yeah.

[James]

Yeah. Roughly.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Totally.

[James]

So.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Yes.

[James]

I mean, crazy. So.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

But I mean, in, like, sixth grade, that's.

[James]

That was crazy. That was crazy. Do you think RuPaul has. Oh. Vibe? The old queen vibe. I think she likes it still, actually.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Yeah, I think she likes it, too.

[James]

Yeah.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

She, like, cracks me up that she's hilarious.

[James]

I gotta be honest. Yalls friendship I'm very jealous of. And I know you probably don't even talk to her at all, but there was a moment where, like, you went to. You went to the Emmys.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Yeah.

[James]

At the table.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

No, we, like, got along.

[James]

Doing Snapchat filters.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Yeah.

[James]

Whoa.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

So. Well, it's like, my favorite.

[James]

Did you just hold your phone up? And she was like, like, yes.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

And she's like, let's FaceTime my husband. I'm like, yep. Like, grabbing her phone, being like, what's up? Like, looking at my outfit. Like, we just.

[James]

I feel like if I raise my phone, a sniper would take me out. If RuPaul was there, and I was

[Bob the Drag Queen]

like, I'd be like, it seems like that for sure. Would be, like, putting her in, like, a Mr. T filter at the Emmys.

[James]

Like, literally, if it was me, Fenton would be like, got her. My sights just tell me, take the shot. Somebody take a shot.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

No, I don't know. Our vibes just are very funny. Like, we have the same, like, humor. And, like, even I think whoever was at the Emmys with us that specific day, I think VH1 or someone was like, I've never seen her laugh like this. It's like knee slapping. I'm like, I get her. It's like, I get it, and I drive the knife home. I love it.

[James]

You know, I think you have a real. I would love to see you interact with more Candy Muse. I love watching y' all together. And also, can I just say this right now? I don't feel like anyone's really having this conversation. And I know how you violate feel about my opinion on fashion.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Not allowed.

[James]

You've made it clear. But that being said, I think that Candy is so fucking fashionable.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Yes.

[James]

Like, I think candies, and I feel like no one is having that conversation.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

They don't. Across the board for. I think she has, like, one of the best, like, makeup skills and all. Drag race.

[James]

And her outer drag fashion eats, too.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

This one.

[James]

Okay. Candy has had some. I will say this, though. When you are. I think in my opinion, when you are super fashionable, Your. Your misses will be as big as your hits.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Cut to my beekeeper look.

[James]

Cut to the beekeeper. Cut to your. Your bag look that you won with.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I stand by that.

[James]

Okay, You. Everyone else is wrong.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

No, literally, it's this gorge. Emilia rapid. I'm, like, so obsessed with it, and I'm like. Like, to this day, it's like my psychosis where I'm like, oh, I guess overcompan. I don't know what you call it, like, God complex that, like, people are like, wow, that's a piece of. I'm like, you guys just don't.

[James]

You guys. Sometimes everyone's wrong.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Yeah. I'm like, that's, like. Now I can just tell who doesn't get it.

[James]

But you're obviously very stylistically inclined like that. Was it the Van Gogh?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Oh, oh, the stone.

[James]

Yeah, look, it's Van Gogh, right?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Monk.

[James]

Oh, Edward Monk. Isn't that the scream? Yeah, Edward Monk painted that. What did? Van Gogh. Who did the screen? Every Monk.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Who did you think did it?

[James]

What does Van Gogh do? The ear. Yeah, he kind of cut his ear.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Who did Starry Night.

[James]

Starry Night. Who did the melting clocks? That was Dolly Dali. Got it. Anyway, it's a stunning. Like, obviously, you're very. I want. Now I want you to. I want you. Jacob, pull up some images of me. I want you to. I want you to take some. No, I want you to find some compliments.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Oh. Oh, okay. Wait. How colorblind are you?

[James]

Oh, the studio is cracking up over here.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Studio audience of Bob's boyfriends.

[James]

I have red, green. Okay, I'm gonna look up here and tell you what I see. Okay.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Oh, my God. Perfect.

[James]

It's a 12. It's. I think it's an 8.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Yeah.

[James]

Or an S. No, it's a 6. It's a really hard to see 6. It's a 10. Nope. It's wander.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Stray a little bit. By the time.

[James]

It's nothing. Oh, maybe. Maybe a 27. It's a 3. It's a 3. 15. 71 or 74.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

This is where it gets into pictures of animals.

[James]

There's nothing. You're lie. There's nothing. The bottom left is a six. The next one is literally nothing. This One is a five. This one is a four, and the next one is a 45.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Wait, is it because, like, you.

[James]

How many of those are right?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Maybe two. I don't know.

[James]

Let me.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Every single one where you said there

[James]

was nothing, there was something. Oh, and did I get the numbers wrong? Yes. Oh, yeah. It's Hard. Yeah. So I. It's called red green deficiency. Oh.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

It's only one.

[James]

So I can't see shades.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Christmas is scary for you.

[James]

It spooks me out.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

What happens.

[James]

Also, can you tell everyone what color that room is?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Red.

[James]

And the couches?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Green.

[James]

Yeah. Which. There's no. I can't see anything.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Oh.

[James]

The room is invisible.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Like, oh, Christmas theme. You're like, what?

[James]

Oh, my God.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Wait, so it's not like you see black and gray, though?

[James]

No, no, no, no. It's not grayscale.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

It's just like. Is it because your brain can't, like, comprehend the colors or you see a different color? Well, I, like, don't get. It's like.

[James]

I know. I can't tell because I'm seeing red. I know those bookshelves are red, but I think to you that red looks different than it looks to me. And I know that couch is green,

[Bob the Drag Queen]

but you see the other colors.

[James]

Yeah, I see. Yeah. Like. Like, these are yellow.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Right.

[James]

Your pants are gray.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

But do you just see it? I don't. But you, like, see it.

[James]

I think I see it, but apparently I'm seeing something that y' all aren't seeing. Or. Or certain things look the same to me.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Okay.

[James]

So it's kind of hard to decipher, but. Okay, so, Jacob, bring up the looks. Looks. Oh, and. And I want. Because. Because. Because Violet was like, these can't ever come for nobody's looks. She didn't do it like that.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Thank God.

[James]

Imagine if Violet did that.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

That would be, like, this is my real her.

[James]

It'd be. Yes. Let me probably go to the Google driveway, because these are all going to be like, oh, well, I have one.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Amazing.

[James]

I feel like I'm mostly out of drag in this one.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Love. Here we go.

[James]

Okay.

[Narrator/Advertiser]

This.

[James]

This was. This is. This is my. This is my homage to Monet doing an homage to me.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Meta.

[James]

Very meta.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Love it.

[James]

Very meta.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I mean, you look amazing.

[James]

Thank you.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I. I like your outfits.

[James]

Why didn't you say that when Vala was trying to drag me to the earth through the. Through the mud?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Because I agree with the standpoint of it. The. You guys go ham. Like, I'm actually. You guys absolutely. Like, I literally said, that's Monet. Oh, literally. Like, Monet more ham than you and

[James]

Violet for Rob A.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Her scent. Like, you two are like, pull up an image of one of the girls who's, like, 21 years old and, like, never, like, just started doing drag yesterday, and they're like, I cannot believe she would even think about packing this in her suitcase. She's actually like, shouldn't have even gone, because this is disgusting. And the fact that she even packed it means that she's mentally ill. Like, it's crazy. I'm like, it goes beyond, like, I don't like the shoes. It's like, like, what's wrong with her brain that she thinks this is okay for me to see? I'm like, oh, my God. Oh, Literally, I think you both do. There was one that was like. There was something about a talent. I sent him on now I was losing my mind. It was so funny. I have to pull.

[James]

It was like a talent thing.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I think so. And it was literally, like, just talking about this girl. You're like, well, she doesn't even have a talent. Her only talent is outfits about.

[James]

About the one from Seattle going crazy. Who's the one? I'm a baby. I'm just a baby. Yeah. Monet was going on about Arietti and how she has no talents.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

It's crazy. I was like, Monet. I remember sending drum. I was like, my God.

[James]

That's. That's.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

That's.

[James]

That's my. So this. Okay. So on my tour, I was. It was. Everything was animal themed. The tour is called this is Wild. So all my looks were animal themed. So obviously this is a flamingo. Can you give your thoughts on this, this look, please?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I mean, it's definitely an interesting way to do a flamingo. Putting the head at the. A full head. Is it like a card?

[James]

It's a purse, so it goes wherever I want it. Oh, you can hold it up like a neck.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Okay. I love it. Yeah. I mean, little 60s nod. Love it.

[James]

All right, Jacob. Dude.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

But you would read that down on drivers. But I mean, sometimes I have to say, too. I'm like a drag race level. And then like a line out of a.

[James]

Arm out look with the arm out. How cute.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Yeah, that is cute. It does look like a flamingo.

[James]

See?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I mean, do the snake one.

[James]

Jacob. Let's have. Let's have her do one more.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I like that you've got photoshopped the dress out.

[James]

I. I cinched my waist in, actually. I don't know. Jacob did that photo. Okay, thoughts on this look?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Oh, I love that.

[James]

This is for Photo Book magazine.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I. Photo booth magazine.

[James]

Photo Book.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Oh, Photo Book.

[James]

It's micro. Micro.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

We magazine love micro. I love that. Literally love that.

[James]

This is like a snake. Yeah.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Business snake.

[James]

This is a very much. Yes. Yeah. A slithery, slithery snake. Yeah. I love. I love it. This is actually one of my favorite outfits. It's so uncomfortable.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Ban lapel. Like, I like. Okay. Cute. Yeah, I love that one.

[James]

What's your favorite look you've done?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I mean, I feel like for, like. I feel like the looks that hit the best are when it's, like, culturally. Culturally significant to people or, like, tell a story. So I really like my tale and two titties moment for my, like, trans woman. I think it was, like, cool to cause that much of a reaction and start, like, a conversation just through a fashion moment I, like, love. And that's why I think I, like, like, plastiques package hit so hard because it was all, like, culturally significant to her and, like, nymphia. And I think, like, some of the best looks are, like, special to people, so I love that one the most.

[James]

When I think about you, I. I think a couple things pop into my mind. One of them is just you bouncing on your feet. Like, you do like, a little step, like, a little power stance while. While singing Gottmik. Yes, You, Bonnie girl, baby.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

So wild. Wait, so that was so funny, because I was like, season 13 was during Copenhagen, and obviously I've never been on Drag Race before. I don't know how it works. And we were, like, what you call it? Secluded and what's already so far away.

[James]

Sequestered.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Yeah. So we were stuck alone for a week or so before we even started. Just in this, like, Marriott in the Valley. And they randomly. One day, they're like, okay, we're gonna give you this, like. Like, song. You're gonna write a verse before we even met or anything. And I was like, oh, my God. I'm in my hotel room going crazy, and I've never done this before. And they give you, like, an ipod that you, like, hear, and it's like. It's like Leland, like, giving you the beat. So I was like, oh, I have to follow this beat. So I thought you just had to do it like that. And I was like. So I was like. And, like, telling me. I was like, okay, I'll just fill in the words like that. And then I got there, and everyone's like, I'm a bad bitch from New York City. I love the crown, and Crown loves me. And I was like, what the fuck? I got. Literally. And I was like, oh, okay. And then in the second round, I was like, so I don't have to follow the guidelines. I can do whatever I want. And I did it. And everyone's like, wow, Government got so much better. The. The growth. I'm like, right?

[James]

But you did do that. You did do one of the tropes that everyone does. What's the line?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Boys, girls, and in between. It's time to crown your queen. Let's go.

[James]

Have you seen that thing? Someone did a clip on Yalls season. It was. I'm obsessed with it. And you know that song. Now I'm hopeful, hopeful, hopeful for today. You know that song? So someone took Every time. Jacob, I don't know if you can possibly find this. It's so hard to find. Every time anyone from your season said, like, I'm gonna get the cr. I'm the crown. Snatch my crown. Give me my crown. And then it would just have a clip. It would be like, it's time to crown your queen. Let's go. And then it would go to black and white. And then it'd be like, now I'm hopeful. She, in fact, was not crowned the queen. They did not go. And then it'd be like, Candy. Music would be like, yo, the muse is back. It's like, time to give them my crown. Let's go. And they'd be like, now I'm hopeful. Like, it was.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I need that.

[James]

I'm gonna tell you. I used to watch this video and cackle like it is, so I cannot find it. It is. Who? If you're the one who made that video, please comment below. DM it to me or something, because that video is so. Because y' all had a. Y' all had a lot of those.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Loved it. Loved it.

[James]

Wait, so wait, you weren't. You weren't on Dragons all over the World. You were on Phenomenon. Is that not your season?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I. No, wait, I was charity season.

[James]

No, your original season, Drag is All over the World. It's a. Is that not the season she was on? Yeah.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Oh, it was the loser. It was the loser group.

[James]

But you were. So you were on the other one.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

The winners.

[James]

No, there was. Okay, there was Drag is. And the other one was. What's the other song? Oh, I don't remember. Bitch, this is your fucking season. Y' all did two songs. One of them was Drag is All over the World. It's a phenomenon.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

It was a Tina Burner on Fire. Like the Hunger Games, that song. Oh, yeah, it was.

[James]

It was the same.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

It was the one you had got. Milk was Born a Girl baby. I think the phenomenon might have been, like, the. Congratulations.

[James]

There it is. I wanna thank you. That is a song.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Yes. I'm obsessed with those challenges, too, because, like, at the time, obviously, everything's like, so busy and crazy. And like, all. They're like, okay, so basically, you're gonna walk out, walk two steps to the left, point, turn, and then walk to center. And I'm like, we can't do all this in one day. Are you trying to sabotage me? Like, they're like, Like, I'm like, you guys are trying to ruin our careers at this point.

[James]

Walk and point.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Like, oh, my God, you think I'm Beyonce. I'll be like, it's crazy.

[James]

Looking back, when I came to. When I came on set for All Stars 10, which is the one you did, right.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

My God, we have so much. Laura. I can't. So that day.

[James]

So I came on and I was like, hey, everybody. And Mick was like, I'm going to KMS with a pew, pew. On live television. And I remember being like, uh. Cause I was like, hey, girl. I was like, you got.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Yeah, no, literally, you would have got. No, literally, that. I don't know if I'm even like. I don't know how NDAs work or whatever, but I literally was like. That day, I was like, I'm going home. I'm dropping out. Like, I'm. Oh. I was on the floor, like, in the bathroom, sobbing.

[James]

Like, the bomb. The bomb explosion. Look.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Yes, I know. I was like, on the floor. I had, like, prosthetic boobs. And I don't know, it was like. It was atomic blonde. I wore, like, prosthetic boobs and blonde hair. I don't wear blonde hair because it reminds me of my old self. I hate seeing myself in blonde. So I'm like. But I was like, love it. I, like, I'm confident. Like, I'm gonna try blonde hair. Prosthetic boobs, crazy blonde.

[James]

When we say pro that, we don't mean like a titty bib.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

No.

[James]

Glued to your body.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Boobs.

[James]

Boobs.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Yeah. TV's crazy. And I was like, so, blonde hair with tits, sobbing. And I'm looking in the mirror, and it's just making it worse. I'm like, oh, my God. And I was like, I'm going home. I'm not going in the. What? The after thing unto. I'm not going in untucked. I, like, have to leave this place. And, like, please just go on. Just talk. Like, please just go in there. And I was like, no, I really can't. I have to leave this. This place. And then you were there, and they were like, just go. And you don't have to say a word. And I was like, okay. And I was turning away from The, Like, I would see the camera. I'd be, like, turning away, sobbing. And then Bob's like, hello. And I was like, of course Bob's in here the day I'm sobbing and not talking. And then all the comments are like, like, G was so rude and disrespectful to Bob. How dare she? I'm like. I'm sobbing, like, in the corner.

[James]

I didn't take it personally. I think. I think I text you when you got. When you got back here. I was like. You're like. You're like, hey, girl, everything's fine.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

It's also crazy because if I was a producer, I'd be like, send the cameras into that bathroom right now. Send Vanjie in. Like, Vanjie was knocking on the door, and she thought I was crying because of, like, her jokes to me on the roast.

[James]

Uhhuh. And then y', all, like, low key dating that season. I forgot. I forgot about that. Whatever.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Y'. All.

[James]

The fuck y' all are doing. Showmancing.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Yeah. A good dick's a good dick to me. It is what it is, my boy.

[James]

You and I have so much lore, so I think I should apologize to you about something.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Oh, my. I'm scared.

[James]

I. I used our dynamic to get you to do a music video one time.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Oh, yeah, you did.

[James]

And, you know, I think you did it because we're friends.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Yeah, of course. And I think I love the storyline,

[James]

and you probably wouldn't have done it if we weren't friends. No. But so if you guys want to check it out, Gottmik is in a music video called. I think it's called Girl Baby.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Yeah.

[James]

Yeah. It's not a bad video. I don't think it's a bad video.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

No.

[James]

But I remember you were kind of a bitch that day. I was like, ooh, Mick is.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I was in blonde hair again. So what was she doing that was

[James]

a bitchy, in your opinion? First of all, to be fair, I did not know that this would be triggering or upsetting. So Mick was playing a mother in the video, and she was wearing blonde hair and boobs.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Yes. And, like, a pink dress. I was like, oh, yeah.

[James]

And, like, a pink dress. And. And I would say your mood is so valid. Super duper valid. One hundo, and I owe you one. If you ever need something.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Get you.

[James]

You let me know if you need me in the holy disco music video.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Oh, yes. I'm gonna put you in boobs in a pink dress

[James]

in Trixie Mattel drag.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Yes.

[James]

Literally, if you need Me up in Trissy Mattel drags.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Literally holding a baby like this with Bob on my like.

[James]

But you, I will say you, honestly, you were a real champ that day. You were really professional.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

You.

[James]

You. You hit your mark. You went. You took two steps forward, you pointed to the left. You went back to your space.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

What do they think, I'm Beyonce?

[James]

Right. And you. You were great. So I. I'm very. I'm very, very grateful to you.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

My God, thank you so much for

[James]

doing that music video.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I've been holding out for that apology,

[James]

and I'm very sorry for asking you to do it.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

It's bad.

[James]

Where can they. Where can they see you on tour? How can they get tickets to the tour? And how can they listen to their music?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Head over to gottmik.com to get your tickets. We are going to 50 cities in North America. So it's like, who's sleeping.

[James]

Who's sleeping in the big room in the back?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

There is not one.

[James]

That's how y'.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

All. Oh, yeah, we said no big room in the back.

[James]

Monet and I would rotate the big room.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Really? Yeah.

[James]

Every once a week.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

That's funny.

[James]

Somewhere or. Half the tour. Half the tour. One of us got the room. Half the three. Oh, I got the room.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Yeah. I was. When we were looking at buses, I was like, that's probably what would happen. But we actually have so much stuff that I think the back room is going to be utilized.

[James]

Dancers.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Dancers.

[James]

Oooh, how many?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Two. Okay, two dancers. And we have, like, a lot of props and crazy stuff.

[James]

Costume changes.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Lots of costume changes. Lots of big props. We have, like, an aerialist flying or on the bus with us. We have, like, lots of things.

[James]

Her name is.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I'm doing Ariel for the first time.

[James]

Some aerial.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Some aerial things happening between my sets,

[James]

like the picture, the hoop, or the. The hair, the lira.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Is she. We're both doing a little lira moment. She's doing, like, her gorgeous lira. She has some actually, ones that are, like, props, too, in the air.

[James]

Did she teach you the lyric, or do you like to learn from someone else?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

She is teaching me, and we're going up together.

[James]

Do you like learning from her?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Yeah. She literally is, like, very motherly to me. Like, that's why we say that. She's like. She's taught me very old. Yeah.

[James]

No, she's taught me 35.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I think she's 33.

[James]

33, I think.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Yeah. She's like, 33. Yeah.

[James]

I met violin. I met. I think I met Violet, but When she was, like, 20 or 19 years old.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

That's crazy.

[James]

In Atlanta, Georgia.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

An angel.

[James]

She really is. I love Viola.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Yeah, she's one of the best. Yeah. She really has taught me so much about, like, just dry. She's, like, so good at drag. Obviously, I was like, she's taught me so much.

[James]

She's very, very, very good at drag.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I have pizzas to buy. I have organic food to purchase. Mother, if you want to say something, then say something. Like, say it and be done. Just say it. Just say it and be done.

[James]

Mother.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

She's a consistent queen, but, yeah, she's super motherly. So we are doing a little aerial together. Separate. We're, like, all. We're performing our new music. It's gonna be really nice live. I've never performed live like that.

[James]

Oh, really?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Yeah. I'm so excited. It, like, feels.

[James]

Where y' all doing in la, do you know?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

We're doing the Wiltern.

[James]

Love the wool turn.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Yeah, it's gonna be super cool.

[James]

I'll be there. Can I come backstage like Lady Gaga?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Please? I'll get Hunter in contact. Yeah, Graham, Slam. In contact.

[James]

The fact that I thought that your friend was Hunter. I'm sorry, Hunter, whoever you are. And obviously you're doing it big. You don't need me to. You're. You're backstage at Gaga. I was in the audience looking, like. Looking like a dweeb.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Counting the amount of times you said pause up.

[James]

88 times.

[Narrator/Advertiser]

That's crazy.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I don't even believe you.

[James]

I'm telling you, 88 times.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

That's insane.

[James]

I did include the four times she said it during applause, though. Now, okay, put your hands up. Make them touch. Touch. Yeah, but 88 times. Madness.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Clicking is so funny every time.

[James]

Click.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Yeah.

[James]

Are you a monster?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Yes. I'm a. Famously a Gaga apologist. I would say, like, anything she does, I'm, like, blind. Have you heard the new song?

[James]

Have you heard the new song?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Yes, I. I watched the video.

[James]

Do you think if you and Naomi Smalls went toe to toe to see who's the biggest little monster? She used to be a monster monster. Wait, what about Aquaria? Well, Aquaria and Kandy Muse and Lux Noir London. Yeah, if we get you. Okay, I need to do this. We need to get y' all over here and have a motherfucking Gaga.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Cha. Gaga.

[James]

Yeah. Because Lux Noir London, Kandy Muse, Naomi Smalls and you. And all the black girls.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I really?

[James]

Yeah, the whitest girl. And all the black girls. What's with her face? All right, we have to get out of here. I love you so much, y'. All. Please hop over to to sibling Gorge and you will get to hear Naomi Smalls and Violet Chachki in their episode one who Naomi Smalls and. Oh, Monet X Change and Violet Chachki. It will not be as good as this episode. Do not expect it to be half as entertaining, half as stunning, or half as well done, because we are obviously.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

They're gonna be in the spare room of my apartment.

[James]

No rivalry.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Never.

[James]

All right, y' all be good. Bye. One.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Bye, Gorge.

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