The One About Survivor (with Salina EsTitties)

Summary

Podcast Summary

Podcast: Sibling Rivalry
Episode: The One About Survivor (with Salina EsTitties)
Date: May 13, 2024
Hosts: Monét X Change & Bob the Drag Queen
Guest: Salina EsTitties

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Overview

This episode is a vibrant and hilarious deep-dive into the worlds of Survivor, Traders, and gay nightlife, featuring returning Sibling Rivalry favorite Salina EsTitties. Together with Monét, the pair wax nostalgic on reality competition, queer community, sex and body positivity, and, of course, the intricacies of both Survivor games and drag queen culture. The conversation is fast-paced, uproarious, and deeply candid, brimming with sharp insight and memorable anecdotes.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Game Night Drama – Drag, Body Image & Gym Attire

• (00:57–09:59)
  • Salina describes showing up to Monet’s game night wearing a Malaysia Baby Doll Fox shirt right after Malaysia dropped a diss track, causing both tension and laughs.
  • Discussion on balancing friendships and alliances—a prelude to why Salina claims she’d win at Survivor:

    “That’s why I would win Survivor. You see, you would both have voted for me even though I was riding on both ends. Alliances.” – Salina, (02:27)

  • Both share experiences navigating masculinity and femininity out of drag, and their respective journeys toward body and gender expression confidence—especially through gym attire.
  • Monet reflects:

    “I’m going to be my whole faggoty self when I want to... It is okay to ride the wave of whatever you wake up feeling that day.” – Monet, (04:36)

  • Monet hints at releasing “thick icon” gym apparel, with Salina joking about needing better support in her shorts.

2. Sex Positivity & Queer Storytelling

• (10:06–15:22)
  • Salina shares a comedic—and brutally honest—recount of her first (and only) time hooking up with a woman, including candid details about awkward teenage experimentation:

    “I was like, oh, this tastes like a penny. Like, it tastes like copper…” – Salina, (12:54)

  • Conversation turns to the normalization or double-standard of explicit banter among queer comedians vs. mainstream figures like Amy Schumer or Nikki Glaser.
  • Open chat about sexual experiences with trans men and the learning curves involved.

3. Survivor Obsession & Reality TV Lore

• (19:49–25:58)
  • Monet shares that she was inducted into Survivor fandom during COVID by binge-watching starting with season 28. Salina is a long-time fan, having watched from early seasons.
  • The heart of Survivor appeals:

    “You’re telling me I get to lie, cheat, manipulate, backstab, and, like, ruin people’s lives and chance at a million dollars in order to win a million dollars? Like, hell yeah, I want to do that.” – Salina, (22:05)

  • Both fantasize about their prowess (or lack thereof) on the show, describing the types of social games and challenges they think they’d excel at, and their respective approaches to alliances and deception.

4. Life Lessons from Reality TV & Cult Experiences

• (36:17–45:32)
  • Reflections on the notorious “Coach” season of Survivor and how cult dynamics appear on reality shows (“That’s how cults start…” – Salina, (36:26)).
  • Salina tells her own story of briefly falling in with a “cult-like” leadership/self-help program, painting a vivid and cautionary picture of manipulation, sleep deprivation, and “enrolling” others for large sums:

    “We were sleep deprived … raising money for the program. … I started losing friends because I was like, ‘You need this in your life.’” – Salina, (41:35)

  • Monet relates these experiences to organized religion, critiquing the financial exploitation common in churches:

    “Organized religion, I most earnestly and honestly can say that I think is the devil. … Church is the oldest profession.” – Monet, (44:38)

5. Reality Competition: Survivor, Traders, and Mafia

• (46:38–54:07)
  • Both express love for social deception games like Mafia and Secret Hitler, relating them back to Survivor and Traders strategies.
  • Salina:

    “Mafia is actually a good way to find out if you know how to play Survivor because if you can get to the end as Mafia … that's Survivor right there.” – Salina, (47:12)

  • Plans for drag queen mafia game nights, with increasing player counts, to mimic the chaos and strategy of their favorite shows.

6. Fantasy Drag Race Survivor Casting

• (54:35–61:38)
  • Hilarious fantasy draft of which Drag Race alumni would thrive (or implode) on Survivor, including thoughtful and shady picks:

    “Sandra has never been physical in Survivor ever. … Kim Chi… would find a way to stay on board the entire time because Kim is a very good man.” – Monet, (56:52)

  • Drag queen candidates include: Cameron Michaels, Vanjie, Monique Heart, Kim Chi, Trixie Mattel, Raven, Eureka, Milk, Pearl, Evie Oddly, Maddie Morphosis, Peppermint, Trinity, Manila Luzon, Jiggly Caliente, and Gia Gunn.

7. Breaking Through in TV & Drag Queen Representation

• (61:38–64:18)
  • Discussion about the difficulty of getting drag talent onto mainstream American game shows, compared to the UK:

    “America just has this thing where we just cannot break through that… like, I would be so good.” – Monet, (61:38)

  • Salina dreams of a drag-focused production company that produces high-quality, non-camp drag queen content (“My dream is to have a production company for… drag queen content…” – Salina, (63:02)).
  • Both reflect on how the real race in their careers began after Drag Race, emphasizing the hustle, financial reality, and creative drive:

    “That shit is hard fucking work. It's really hard out here to stay relevant…” – Monet, (63:37)

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Memorable Quotes & Moments

| Quote | Speaker | Timestamp | |---|---|---| | “That's why I would win Survivor. You see, you would both have voted for me even though I was riding on both ends. Alliances.” | Salina | 02:27 | | “I'm going to be my whole faggoty self when I want to.” | Monet | 04:36 | | “I was like, oh, this tastes like a penny. Like, it tastes like copper.” | Salina | 12:54 | | “Organized religion, I most earnestly and honestly can say that I think organized religion is the devil.” | Monet | 44:38 | | “If you can get to the end as Mafia and convince everyone… that's Survivor right there.” | Salina | 47:12 | | “America just has this thing where we just cannot break through that… like, I would be so good.” | Monet | 61:38 | | “My dream is to have a production company for… drag queen content in a very, like, high quality way…” | Salina | 63:02 |

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Important Timestamps

• 00:57: Malaysia Baby Doll Fox drag drama & Survivor game talk begins.
• 03:09–08:35: Gender expression, gym, and queer body confidence.
• 10:06: "Have you ever been with a vagina?" Queer sex stories.
• 19:49–25:58: Survivor obsession, who would win, and strategy philosophy.
• 36:17: Discussion of religious/cult dynamics in Survivor and real life.
• 41:32: Salina’s personal cult experience.
• 44:38: Monet on organized religion as cult.
• 46:38: Mafia game night & relationship to Survivor/Traders.
• 54:35–61:38: Drag queen casting for Survivor.
• 61:38–64:18: Barriers to mainstream drag queen representation in the US.
• 63:02: Salina’s dream of a drag queen production company.
• 65:33–67:58: Post-Drag Race realness: making it after the show.
• 68:03: “Six sisters” - both went home sixth on their original Drag Race seasons.

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Episode Tone & Style

As always, Sibling Rivalry delivers razor-sharp wit, candid confession, playful shade, and an infectious sense of camaraderie. Salina and Monét are unfiltered, relatable, and heartfelt, offering both behind-the-scenes gossip and serious commentary on queer visibility, self-worth, and the labor that goes into drag careers.

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For New Listeners

This episode is a boisterous, hilarious chat that serves as both Survivor fangirl fest and intimate confessional. If you’re a fan of queer reality TV, drag, and the art of shade, you’ll find plenty to love — no prior knowledge required, just a readiness to laugh and kiki.

Transcript

[Monet X Change]

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[Selena S Cities]

Also talk about the time that I was in a cult.

[Monet X Change]

And we find out what made Selena say this.

[Selena S Cities]

Because we get into screaming, arguing fights. We're jumping on the couches, we're like, bitch, you're the fucking mafia, bitch. And we find out what made Monet say this.

[Monet X Change]

Like, these pastors have these like multimillion dollar homes and they have these private jets. Half of their congregation can't put food on the table. Ladies and gentlemen, back on Sibling rivalry plot. And I thought she had on. Okay, yeah. Selena Cities is here again, y'. All. Now, I think last week after Malaysia Baby Doll Fox dropped her diss track about me and Bob, Selena coincidentally was coming over to my house that night for a little low key game night. And lo and behold, I opened the door and this bitch has a Malaysia Baby Doll Fox T shirt on.

[Selena S Cities]

I said, oh, bitch is mentioning me. Woke up the sleeping eagle. Why you plucking with me?

[Monet X Change]

Okay, well, you definitely found the beat way, way better than she did. That's the, that's the gag. That's the gag. No rhythm, style and flow to what you just did. That's interesting, Interesting take on the song.

[Selena S Cities]

Well, thank. You know, I am an artist at the end of the day. You know, it was so funny because Andy messaged me, said, you want to come over for a game night? And I was at the gym and I had. Now I had no plans of going home to change. And I was like, I'm literally wearing a baby Doll the Fox shirt right now. And the song had just dropped that day, so it was just perfect.

[Monet X Change]

I will say it is, it is a cute shirt. Malaysia. Malaysia shirt is a cute shirt.

[Selena S Cities]

But did you notice how I was able to. It was cool with you and it was cool with Malaysia. That's why I would win Survivor. You see, you would both have voted for me even though I was riding on both ends. Alliances.

[Monet X Change]

She's a, she's a, she's a she's a fence rider. She.

[Selena S Cities]

I like to write several things. Offense is not one of them.

[Monet X Change]

Bitch, let me tell you something. Selena has been in her hot girl summer era. Girl, you posted this pic of you on your insta story with you in your hands outfit, not in drag. Giving the full fantasy. I said oh. Then you posted.

[Selena S Cities]

I see that.

[Monet X Change]

Yes. Hold on. Oh, wait, wait. With a close friend.

[Selena S Cities]

Okay. Because I struggle a lot with the masculine feminine, right? Like especially out of drag. In drag. I live in my full fantasy out of drag. I am so lost and confused with who what I look like, right? Because I have so many securities. Xyz. But yesterday I went out like a complete faggot and it was very interesting. What happened?

[Monet X Change]

Did you live your best life? Like, did you feel were you destiny fulfilled?

[Selena S Cities]

I went to this party called Simon says, which is like it was like the new Evita. It's like disco studio 54 vibes.

[Monet X Change]

Oh, okay, you. But you said my favorite words, disco boots.

[Selena S Cities]

And I was honestly throwing ass in the club, like out of drag. It was kind of new for me. I felt new for me. But what I felt new was I felt sexy, which I never really feel at the clubs, especially these white gays, you know, Girl.

[Monet X Change]

Well, I will say, you know what? I identify with a lot of what you're saying and a lot of with what you're talking about. I feel like it took me a long time in my drag queer identity journey, like to like be fully comfortable like being my full whole self out in the gay clubs. Because I mean it is.

[Selena S Cities]

No, you, you have your full whole out at the gym these days.

[Monet X Change]

Okay? So good at the gym, bitch.

[Selena S Cities]

Let me tell you, if anything, my hot girl summer era is inspired by you, bitch. Because your little videos and your little

[Monet X Change]

whom house, girl, I be, I be, I be letting these boys have it at the gym and I fucking love it. Like, like. And again this. But again, it took me a while to get here because I used to be caught up in the, oh, my body looks like this. I don't want to be too gay looking, blah, blah. And then like I would say in the past three, four years, I'm like, I don't give a fucking fuck. I'm going to be my whole faggoty self when I want to. And in my whole. And I don't want to say butch mask because I don't think I'm ever really butcher mask. But like, it is okay to ride the wave of whatever you wake up feeling that day. Of course, more times often More often than not, I'm feeling more femme and girly and cunt. But any. I'm just letting myself like being that. So I used to work out at the. At the LA Fitness because I don't care how much money I make, I just cannot bring myself to pay $300 for an Equinox membership. I just cannot.

[Selena S Cities]

And that's a life hack for any gay queer person in the world. Looking, you know, go work at a gym for a free membership. You get to meet the community that goes to the gym. You're surrounded by people who are working out. I did the same thing. I went to go work at Barry's Boot Camp. I was like, where do I. The most insecure. Let me go work there.

[Monet X Change]

Okay, wait, when did you work at Barrett? Do you worked at the WEHO one? Yes, work.

[Selena S Cities]

And I made all those WeHo my fans, honey. Because I. Do you think.

[Monet X Change]

Do you. Do you think Barry's is gay?

[Selena S Cities]

Oh, why yes. I think, I think in LA for sure. I think maybe other places is maybe not as good. I think New York and LA for sure is super gay.

[Monet X Change]

Well, I never really frequented Barry's in la. I only discovered Barry's after I moved to la. I know it's been around for a while, but I never went until I moved to Los Angeles. But I go to the one in Hollywood and I don't. I mean, I feel like the instructors are like a mixed bag. Like more like it doesn't feel. But Andy thinks they're like, barbaris is super gay. And I'm like, well, that's because you probably went to the WEHO one, but the one in Hollywood, I think it's like you get one straight one, one gay one. Like, it's like pretty 50. 50.

[Selena S Cities]

Yeah, Hollywood's a little mixed, but WeHo just feels like rainbows all day. Like feels. It feels like poppers when you walk into Barry's.

[Monet X Change]

So. Oh. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah, yeah. So I was talking about gym attire. So y'. All. So yeah, I've been. I've been just like crazy. So people gag. They're like, girl, do you tuck to go to the gym? I'm like, yes. Like, I put on a gaff and I put on my little. My little onesie.

[Selena S Cities]

You all wear a gaff at the, at the gym?

[Monet X Change]

Yes, I do. I cannot have my. I wear fucking onesie. I cannot dick print. Just. That's too much.

[Selena S Cities]

Well, so right now I go to Gold in Hollywood and let me tell you, there, it's the old men for me, who wear those little tiny boxers out on the floor with full on sack just hanging out. Bitch. I can see like the wrinkle of the testicles. It's crazy.

[Monet X Change]

That's like a verse. I see the wrinkle of your testicle coming out to my pentacle. I'm seeing what his mother's testicle makes

[Selena S Cities]

me want to touch your tentacles.

[Monet X Change]

Yeah, See, I don't want to be. I don't want to. Like, I'm already giving, like, ass and like, waist and I don't need to be. So I can't be showing front too. Like, that's, that's for me, it's a little much. But also, people feel like, you know, I've seen. Sometimes they comment on my Instagram, but negative comments are a dime a dozen. I was like, monet really isn't professional and it's inappropriate for you to wear that, that sort of gym. I'm like, why? I'm like, I'm leaving. That is. That is my. That is my expression of my. Of my gender identity. Like, fudge you if you don't like the fact that if it makes you uncomfortable, bitch recognize. Reconcile that with yourself. That's not my problem.

[Selena S Cities]

That part, you know, because it's like, it's like when people are like, girls can't wear X, Y, Z at the gym. It's like, why the hell not? Boys are literally wearing Speedos and that's it. You know what I mean? Like, I don't know. Yeah, I love it. I think you're a pioneer and in gender affirming gym attire.

[Monet X Change]

Yes, it is so affirming. And I have some fun thick icon ones coming out this summer.

[Selena S Cities]

You're coming out with. You're coming out with Jim gym attire merch.

[Monet X Change]

I am, girl. I am. I love. You know, I put on. I'll call you Momo Lemon. Momo Lemon. I like that. Well, I put on the thick icon shorts last year and I sold out of those really quickly. Everyone has been always asking me, like, bring back the short, bring back the shorts. I'm like, yeah, we will. But, you know, it's been like, that's why I've been wearing those. I've been finding different ones and how I like how they feel at the gym, which ones feel like they, like, hold you in more. And I've done a lot of research and we finally found one that I really like, and we're gonna go into producing some ones this summer for some Monet Xchange thick icon workout apparel.

[Selena S Cities]

I live you know, when I got my first pair of thick icon shorts, you didn't put a label or something that I had to wear a gaff with it because it was not holding.

[Monet X Change]

Really Hold.

[Selena S Cities]

Yes, I saw. I only wear it at night in the house. And then I do the. Do that. What's that movie where she's like

[Monet X Change]

Sharon Stone basic games thing.

[Selena S Cities]

I do the Sharon Stone hoodie.

[Monet X Change]

Well, you know what? With those, they were unisex, so oftentimes something with unisex stuff. Assigned meal at birth, genitalia, penises and balls sometimes go. It can be a little hit or miss with them. When something's used.

[Selena S Cities]

Shout out to the heavy clitoral girls out there, the fat lipped, crazy bitches. You know, sometimes they be hanging out.

[Monet X Change]

Are you. Have you ever been with a vagina?

[Selena S Cities]

Oh, my God. Okay, wait, before we go there, because I saw a friend the other day and she was like, girl, you're so busy. I see on all these podcasts everywhere, all the time. But he's like, but, girl, all you ever talk about is sex and. And come and balls. And I was like, you're right. I'm sharing a new story. So I just needed to put a disclaimer out there. I didn't bring this up, but now that we're going there, the first.

[Monet X Change]

But no one says that's to Amy Schumer. That's all Amy Schumer talks about is no one said that. No one said that to Nikki Glazer. That's all Nikki Glazer talks about is being a whore. And so what of it? And so what if you do boots? And you know what?

[Selena S Cities]

I like to think that I am like a gay boy's gay boy. Like, I'm a fucking faggot at the end of the day, you know what I mean? Like, I. I do things that are very gay, and I feel like I should share that.

[Monet X Change]

Have you ever been on Twitter and you accidentally liked porn? And then people like your friends like, oh, my God, Selena, really? I'm like, bitch, I'm a grown ass man on my Twitter. And if I liked. If I want to see this, this, this big twink fucking this little hole, and I liked it. That's my business. And I do like it.

[Selena S Cities]

Yeah. And you know, why you.

[Monet X Change]

Why are you. Why are you in my likes? Why you. Why are you. Why are you in my likes? See what, See what the fuck I'm liking? That's. That's the question.

[Selena S Cities]

Okay? And you know, I like to now just comment. I just comment because, you know, sometimes the onlyfan boys post their little thirst traps, and I'm always like, h,

[Monet X Change]

But

[Selena S Cities]

okay, so my first sexual experience, really, I hooked up with a boy for my first time ever. And then in high school, one of my best friends. We'll call her Petunia, she used to. Petunia used to suck me off. We used to watch gay porn together. And then she would suck me off. It was like our little thing we do once a week. And then one time we were sitting in her driveway, and her dad had, like, this big boat, so we were hiding underneath the boat, and we were doing our ritual or weekly ritual. And then she's like, can you. Can you try going down on me? And I was like, yeah, I'll try. And she's a little heavier set of a girl, so whatever. And like, you know, I went down there and I pulled down her panties. And then it was like, right? It was. Okay, so here's.

[Monet X Change]

Here's the deal.

[Selena S Cities]

No, she had actually just shaved. But you know, like, when you shave newly and then there's like the little pus bumps because the razor burn. And then the little prickle cactuses start phase. It was in that phase. And she was wearing, like, these little green underwear panties. And tell me why the green underwear panty lint was stuck in her cactus like puss pubes.

[Monet X Change]

And so as I'm going down.

[Selena S Cities]

As I'm going down, that's all I'm seeing. And then I take a little right on the clitoral. And then I. I was like, oh, this tastes like a penny. Like, it tastes like copper. And then I got like an inhale and I was just. I looked up and I was like, I can't do it. I'm sorry. And she called me an asshole and, like, shoved me to the ground and, like, finish sucking me off.

[Monet X Change]

She finished you off, though? Yeah.

[Selena S Cities]

She was like, you're such an. I know that's right.

[Monet X Change]

Wait, is it supposed to taste like pennies? I don't. I don't know.

[Selena S Cities]

You know, I don't know. Maybe it was like her time of the month. I have no idea. But I've never tasted one ever since that moment. But I have had blow jobs by girls before after that, but never. Never anything else vaginal. I. I hook up with a lot of trans men, actually. So in that sense, I've hooked up. You know, I was at Bullet Bar.

[Monet X Change]

Have you ever been to bullet bar in NoHo? Yeah. Timmy Willie works there or used to work there. The redhead. Timmy Willie.

[Selena S Cities]

I don't know who that is, but I love redheads.

[Monet X Change]

Yeah. Timmy Willie. Timmy Willie. He used to be on a lot of sets for, like. For Brad Hammer stuff. He would do hair. He's really good at hair. Yeah. Ooh, work.

[Selena S Cities]

I'm like, I know another redhead good at hair.

[Monet X Change]

I know. I know, girl. Yeah. Bullet bar. I know. Bullet Bar. No. Ho.

[Selena S Cities]

So I love bullet Bar because it's kind of like not your normal, like, weho crowd. You know what I mean? Or gay crowd. And it's a lot more. There's a fence in the back, and you can do things there and that. You know, I'm really diva, so I love it there. And one time I was there, this cute.

[Monet X Change]

Look at Heck. I'm listening. I'll tell you after.

[Selena S Cities]

There's this cute boy who was just staring at me. And I called him over, and he was so shy, and he was, like, grabbing me. And then I went to go grab him, and he was like, oh, I'm. I'm trans man, female to man. I was like, oh, that's fine. But. And then I was. It was kind of cute.

[Monet X Change]

Cause I was like, I'm still grabbing. What's that?

[Selena S Cities]

Yeah, yeah, exactly. Like, I think you're so cute. And I was like. But it was a cute moment because I was like, can you teach me what to do? And. And he was, like, very excited. And so, baby, I was doing circular motions, and my hands started cramping. And I was learning, honey. It was. It was very fun. I like it. It's fun.

[Monet X Change]

You see, I have a point of contention with. You know, let's take a break, and I'll tell y' all about. About my theories on clitoral and vaginal stimulation.

[Selena S Cities]

Close your eyes. Exhale. Feel your body relax.

[Monet X Change]

And let go of whatever you're carrying today. Well, I'm letting go of the worry that I wouldn't get my new contacts in time for this class. I got them delivered free from 1-800-contacts.

[Selena S Cities]

Oh, my gosh. They're so fast. And breathe.

[Monet X Change]

Oh, sorry. I almost couldn't breathe when I saw the discount they gave me on my first order. Oh, sorry.

[Selena S Cities]

Namaste.

[Monet X Change]

Visit 1-800-contacts.com today to save on your first order. 1-800-contacts. And we're back. Okay, so, I mean, anyone who. Who's no stranger to this podcast know I have not delved into the world of vagine. I'm currently in a monogamous relationship. So, you know, and before that, I had never done or had the opportunity to. I dated A girl in high school, Amara. And we were on recipes Lamar. I love her so much. And we were. I always had a story of when I came out to her. We were on an overnight trip to Albany, New York. I'm like, why the fuck are we going to Albany for like a class trip? How fucking boring. Has anyone. Have you been to Albany yet in your. In your. In your. In your rude girl journeys? No. What a shithole. Okay? Albany is literally where people go to die. It's a terrible town. And I'm from the New York. I can fucking say that Albany is terrible. Anyway, so we're on this overnight trip to Albany, and we're on this fucking cheesebus going up to upstate, and then it becomes an overnight trip and we lay know and we're. It's like 10pm we're almost at a hotel, and me and her are sitting next to each other. We've been dating for like, I think like a year at this point, so. And we were in this, like, Christian choir together. The Songs of Solomon. So, like, on this bus, and then we're like on the thing, and then, you know, you know, everyone is. Who's sitting next to their girlfriends and boyfriends, they're starting to, you know, get a little frisky. So Sheila looks over at me and I'm like, oh, my God. Oh, my God, oh, my God, oh, my God. And then I look over at her and I'm like, yeah. And then. She takes my hand and she puts it on her, like, boob. And she said, do you like that? I was like, yeah, that's nice. And then she like, do you want to, like, put your hands anywhere else? I was like, no, thank you. I don't think Jesus would like that. And then she was like, oh, you did not say that.

[Selena S Cities]

You did not blame Jesus.

[Monet X Change]

I said, jesus would have liked that. And then she's like, yeah, yeah, you're right. And the next day I was like, lamar, to tell you something. I was like, I'm gay. She was like, kevin, I know. And I was like, well, so that was my. That was the closest I've been to a vagina. I didn't even really touch it. But here's my thing. So every time people talk about stimulating vagene, it sounds like it takes a long time to get it to do the thing. And I'm like, let me tell you something. I believe sex should not be more than 12, 15 minutes max, okay? And sometimes it takes like 10 minutes to make a vagina climax. And I just do not have the time or want to spend that much time stimulating something.

[Selena S Cities]

I have to disagree with you.

[Monet X Change]

Ten minutes, you said it takes you. Which one are you disagreeing with?

[Selena S Cities]

Hold on. I'm disagreeing with your time limit. Like, I don't think that's appropriate. Like, I mean, I understand Monet Exchange is a very business llc. Honey, she got to get her business together. But I. I will spend hours milking. Honey, Call me the milk maid, because

[Monet X Change]

the milk maid, I love it.

[Selena S Cities]

I do not want it to end ever.

[Monet X Change]

I get mad when I'm about to come.

[Selena S Cities]

Oh, I love it.

[Monet X Change]

15 minutes. I think we have done everything we need to do in 15 minutes. We can both. I can suck you, you can suck me. We can kill, like, two birds, one stone. Suck each 69, girl. That's three minutes, five minutes max. Then a little poke poke. A little poke poke, boom. Like, 12 minutes. We're good. I'm good. I'm good.

[Selena S Cities]

I'm still trying to find someone to fuck. To the Cowboy Carter album. And at the very last amen. And then the little ting happens is when we both come. But I haven't found anyone to do it with me yet.

[Monet X Change]

You heard it a lot longer. And that's why they always like, if anyone's a fuck. Selena Estates to the Cowboy Carter album from beginning to end. An hour and 18 minutes total. I believe she is now accepting applicants, so drop her DM at STDs.

[Selena S Cities]

And I said during smoke hour one and two is when we take a bathroom break. If you need to pee, get some water. And then we go back into it. Can you imagine? I'll be your ride. She's a tyrant. Every time I ride it.

[Monet X Change]

Sickening, that is. That would be hot. That'll be hot, actually. That's hot.

[Selena S Cities]

But vaginas do take a long time. I feel like. That's why I feel bad for straight men because they. They have to work extra harder. They got to have longer stamina. They don't have no stamina because, you know, they. Yeah, I feel bad for straight men.

[Monet X Change]

I think. I think what it is, it's my add. I would be sitting there and I'd be like, ooh, girl. Like, I'll be really committed and trying to make the thing happen and go to work and then. But 10 minutes later, I'm like, oh, yeah, but what about that thing I had to do? Oh, I should go. Like, I would start to lose focus. I just don't think I can. I don't think I can maintain focus that long. It's too long.

[Selena S Cities]

Well, I'm sure that's how Gray Rainbow was written. You were like, going down on Andy, and you're like, actually, let me write the song title down really quick, you

[Monet X Change]

know, from my album. None of these songs are about Andy.

[Selena S Cities]

All of.

[Monet X Change]

All of these songs predate Andy, unfortunately.

[Selena S Cities]

That's fantastic. I'm sure he. He begs to differ. He's gonna think girl.

[Monet X Change]

Girl. The ego. I'm like, oh, this song about me. I'm like, girl. Okay, anyway, but enough about that, y' all today, because we are two Jeff Probst girlies. This one is the one about Survivor. Survivor. Survivor. Survivor. I have to say, I. So I was late to the Survivor train. I only found out Survivor during COVID during the. During the Pandemic and Survivor. And I remember season one, when I used to live at home. My aunt was watching Survivor like, in Real Time, Season 1 When Richard Hatch won. And she watched it, I think, the first, like, 10, 15 seasons. And then, you know, she fell off. And so when the pandemic happened, we were all at home trying to find shit to watch. And I saw Savira pop up on my Hulu, or maybe it was Netflix. I don't remember. And then I was like, let me just watch. Like, my aunt. Cause she was obsessed. Like, she watched that. And scandalously, like, every. Whatever nights they came on tv, she would dvr. Like, she was obsessed. I was like, let me just watch one. So I looked up online, best seasons of Survivor, and It says season 28, which is one of the ones available. So I watched it. Season 28 was my gateway season. And then I became obsessed. I watched every season of Survivor that was available at that time, which was, I think, up to season 38. And I watched them all during. During Pandemic in, like, two months. Because it's.

[Selena S Cities]

You know what it is? It's like, you're telling me I get to lie, cheat, manipulate, backstab, and, like, ruin people's lives and chance at a million dollars in order to win a million dollars? Like, hell, yeah, I want to do that.

[Monet X Change]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Selena S Cities]

You know, I became. What was my first season?

[Monet X Change]

Yeah. What was yours like? Like, when did you start watching?

[Selena S Cities]

I. I can't remember, to be quite honest. But it was one of those moments where I was like, what is going on? So I went back to the first season and watched all the way through up until, like, yeah, like, probably 30 something at the time. It was like that middle era of Survivor was so juicy and sickening and, like, iconic and really established. Like, what it became today, this new era is like way different vibes. But I feel like you're not watching the season though, right?

[Monet X Change]

Andy and I just started watching it. We just got to the merger last night.

[Selena S Cities]

Ok. The merge is the best part. Merge on is sickening. It was a little slow to start, but merge on, bitch. Every episode has been like, oh, my God, wait till you get to the Applebee's episode. It's sickening.

[Monet X Change]

Well, that fucking dude, the guy Abanu, he was unhinged. I don't know how he passed a psychic, a psychologic evaluation to be on this fucking show because he is an unhinged human being who should be in a million hearts with a. With a white jacket on and padded walls. Crazy. Are you kidding?

[Selena S Cities]

No. Apparently he was going to events and handing out million hearts keychains to people.

[Monet X Change]

I cannot.

[Selena S Cities]

So I, you know, I was invited to that Survivor event a little while ago because they're doing like Emmys for your consideration thing. And when they. The Survivor Instagram messaged me on Instagram, I was like, what is happening here? I was like, my pussy literally started tingling. And when I got there, it was like the social media people and they're like, we saw your audition tape. Because I have a Survivor audition tape that went viral on YouTube, like during my season, it was when I was super, like, fit. And like, so people are like, oh, my God, look at skinny Selena. Because drag race so my pandemic weight. But they're like, we saw that audition tape. And I was like, you did. So now all of a sudden, I have like the itch to want to go do Survivor again, like, more than ever, because I'm like, especially if I have an in already, like with the social media people, like, maybe send a real tape in.

[Monet X Change]

Yeah. I mean, so, okay, so this is. This is a question. So would you like, would you re. Like, like all jokes, like, would you. If they cast you or would you like, would you do it for real? Would you do Survivor?

[Selena S Cities]

Hell yeah. Oh, my God. Okay. I was working at In N Out Burger. I was doing drag every day, going in and out burger in the morning, gaining weight because I was eating was burgers and fries and like, I couldn't afford drag. And I was like, I was just not happy. So I quit drag and I quit in and out burger. And that's when I went to go get a job at my Body Together.

[Monet X Change]

And where. At where you think just cut out.

[Selena S Cities]

It's when I went to go get a job at Barry's Boot Camp.

[Monet X Change]

Got it, got it, got it, got it.

[Selena S Cities]

So I started working there because I was getting chubby and I was tired of drag. So I was like, I'm going to make my life centered around getting on Survivor. Survivor is going to be my job. That's what I want to do. So I got a job at Barry's. I even got a job at two different escape rooms so I can go play their, like, puzzles for free. And they're like escape rooms for free. And then I would train my ass off and I would make myself walk to work because I used to work at Barry's at 5 in the morning. So I would walk to work at 4 in the morning and I would wear like the shortest shorts and a tank top in like, the freezing cold in the morning to train myself to be ready for, like, the weather conditions and Survivor. Like, I legit to go. And then my body got so fit and snatched. I put on a corset one day and I was like, oh, bitch, the drag body is giving. So I started doing drag again.

[Monet X Change]

Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. You were like, legit, like, conditioning yourself, like, doing walking to work in the cold, girl, like, you were like, absolutely, like, for real training. I'm kind of screaming gag.

[Selena S Cities]

No. I was like, so excited. I was so ready. And you know, again, like, I, you know, when I got the job at Barry's, I asked when I was, I was trying to figure out where should I work? Like, what gym should I work at? Because a, I get a free membership, I get to work out. But I was also like, who am I most afraid of? And it's like these muscle white rich gays la hoes in weho at Barry's really intimidate me, you know, I'm a fucking insecure little chubby Latin dino boy, you know. And so I, so I was like, if I put myself in that environment and force myself to try to make them like me or for me to, like, get to know them, I was playing a social game with these kids that work there, you know what I mean? Or that go take class there. So I really was trying to, like, play Survivor in my own little gay WEHO way.

[Monet X Change]

Yeah, the fuck you were. I mean, that's my thing. Like, if I wanted to show, like, if I being very honest with myself, I. I would absolutely do Survivor. I think I would. I think that I would be. I think I would have a good social game and I think I would do good in the challenges. Like, I can swim, I can dive. Like, I can do all of These like, in my mind, I think, yeah, I can swim. A girl, I grew up on an island, I can swim down.

[Selena S Cities]

You did?

[Monet X Change]

Yeah, I can swim well. So tell me if you can do this. Like, I open my eyes underwater. Andy was like, no one can do that. I'm like, I'm like that. I don't think that's weird to open your eyes underwater. He's like, it burns. I'm like, not really like. And I think it's just like my eyes just are accustomed to it. My eyes do not burn underwater. Do your eyes burn underwater?

[Selena S Cities]

No, but you probably don't want to open your eyes like the Santa Monica beach here in la. You know what I mean? I think the waters, it definitely helps. You probably had the nice Caribbean, Caribbean water. St. Lucia waters.

[Monet X Change]

Jacob is showing a video.

[Selena S Cities]

I've heard rumors about how you grow up and stuff. Your water was probably filtered. You probably had that awkwafina pool. So of course you're opening.

[Monet X Change]

No, no, no. So I'm doing St. Lucia Pride this year, September 1st. And then so I'm gonna do like a whole vlog of me going to St. Lucia. People are gonna see like my childhood home and everything. And they have all these rumors about how I grew up. And I'm like, Bob has literally made the Internet believe that I am some fucking nepo rich baby from the islands of St. Lucia. And I'm like, that is literally not true. I grew up a very middle class life. Anyway, I. So, yeah, so I think I would do decently in Survivor and I think, I think I would do well, but I think I would be voted off because I would be. Because my social game, people will be afraid of my social game in the end. But I feel like you're not a Libra. Right. I would make it past merger. No, I'm a Pisces.

[Selena S Cities]

Yeah, that's right. Because you low key. Give me Libra energy. Because I've like, I'm a Libra and I feel like I can mesh very well. I'm like a chameleon. Like whoever I'm hanging out with, I can make myself hang out with them and like be cool and chill. You know what I mean? I feel like you have that.

[Monet X Change]

Yeah.

[Selena S Cities]

Talent too, where you're just able to kick it with whoever.

[Monet X Change]

Yeah, I can, I can, I can get along with anyone and talk to anyone, to be very honest.

[Selena S Cities]

Okay, so, so if I. Okay, so if you were up, like, say you've bombed the challenge right now and we're on a tribe together, what Are you going to tell me to make me vote? Not vote for you that night? Like, what's your. What's your pitch? Where are you coming from?

[Monet X Change]

Oh, I would be like, hey. I'm like, well, okay. So, so, so the scenario is we just did a challenge. I was the puzzle solver and I just completely fucked the puzzle up.

[Selena S Cities]

You opened your eyes in the ocean as you were swimming up, and a piece of sand got in your eye, and you're like, this never happens in St. Lucia. I don't. And then because of that bitch, we lost the challenge

[Monet X Change]

that would come. I'm like, everyone I know, as soon as we get off the boat, back to. Back to Campbell, like, everyone I know that I fucked the challenge up. It is completely my fault. And I recognize that. And I just want to just take time to just talk to everyone individually. Selena, can I start? Can we. Can we chat for a second?

[Selena S Cities]

I don't know, bitch, because I really wanted that fucking pizza. And because of you, I'm not eating pizza tonight. So I'm hungry, Monat. I'm hungry.

[Monet X Change]

I know. I'm hungry too. And you know. And you know. But lucky for me, I took Ozempic before we got out here, so I'm not really that hungry. I'm just kind of hungry.

[Selena S Cities]

Oh, cause you can afford Ozempic?

[Monet X Change]

Because you can afford it. I stole it. I stole it.

[Selena S Cities]

Oh, you stole it?

[Monet X Change]

Yeah.

[Selena S Cities]

Well, for someone who could take Ozempic and has, you know, access to steal Ozempic, I don't think you really need a million dollars. So why should I vote for you?

[Monet X Change]

Well, that's what Bob said about you.

[Selena S Cities]

What is? We voted Bob out day one. He's a non factor here.

[Monet X Change]

I know, but Jacob was still here and they had a really strong alliance. And I'm telling you, the. Their plan was they're gonna. And they said that you three were in alliance together, Bob and Jacob. What you don't know is that they are boyfriends and they were planning to vote you out as soon as it got to the top three when we merged.

[Selena S Cities]

So we need to vote out Jacob.

[Monet X Change]

We need to vote out Jacob. I'm telling you, we have to rally everyone. We have to vote out Jacob tonight or else that's it. I wasn't supposed to tell you this information. I was sworn to secrecy that I wouldn't tell anyone this, but I just feel like I really like you. I really like your game. I think you have a better chance to win than me. So I think if we vote out Jacob, that Likens your chances, and it'll just give me at least one more day here. I mean, I know that I can't win, especially after I fucked this challenge up, but voting Jacob out, it is your only way, your only pathway to victory.

[Selena S Cities]

Okay, you know what? I might align with you on this, but I'm gonna need you to go find me a coconut.

[Monet X Change]

Okay? Monet turns around, opens her ass up, pops the coconut out and gives it.

[Selena S Cities]

That's where you've been keeping them.

[Monet X Change]

I've been smuggling these coconuts all gave along my coconuts.

[Selena S Cities]

No, that was a very. That was a very smart angle to like, jump on and get. Good job.

[Monet X Change]

Yes. Yeah, but girl, I would. Girl, Let me tell you something, people. Now there's this whole thread on Twitter and a whole YouTube video about all the times Monet has lied to deceive people. And now people are like, oh, my God, let me say something. Pranking people and just coming up with the craziest lies to make them like, what? It's my favorite thing. Like, I do it to Bob all the time on here. I do it to Trixie especially. I do it to Selena. Selena and Trixie, y'. All. They're so. They're such good hearted, kind people. They're so, so gullible. They just believe shit.

[Selena S Cities]

No, I'm not gullible. I play into it. See, that's my social game. I make you think. I'm like, wow, bitch, I know what's going on.

[Monet X Change]

I know this.

[Selena S Cities]

I know this. What did you lie to Trixie about on the Pit Stop? That was iconic.

[Monet X Change]

That was so good about. About Nicole Byer being a drag queen. And like I said, she said, so here's how my brain works, right? She was telling me the story about how I'm going to give you all the insights to my brain. She's telling me the story about how. But I think she's saying how Nicole Byer something about drag. And as soon as she said drag, Nicole Byer, I was like, boom. Play into the fact that you thought Nicole Byer was a drag queen. And literally, that's My brain processes it so fast. And as soon as she said it, I was like, nicole's not a drag queen. And when I saw that she, like, believed it. I just leaned in all the way and then I just ride the wave.

[Selena S Cities]

Okay? So if we're ever on Survivor together, either we're align. Are we aligning to the top two, bitch, or I might have to get you out.

[Monet X Change]

I don't know. I. I can't I gotta see how you. I don't know how you're gonna be received. I don't know if people. If people really love you. If people really love you, I'm gonna align myself with you for sure. You never know, because people might think you're a threat. People might think you're a threat because you'll have a good social game. And I'm like, I can't be close to that.

[Selena S Cities]

And that's the hard part right now with, like, Survivor, with where it's at. If you're too liked, people are clocking that right away and will get you out. So it's like, do I got to. Do I got to, like, piss on your bag or something? You know what I mean? I have to do a little, like. Like, I got to take a shit in your. In your. In your bed, like, to prove I'm not nice.

[Monet X Change]

Okay. What do you think is the best season of Survivor? I'm really curious about what you think, like, your number one best season of Survivor is.

[Selena S Cities]

Do you remember the season where Parvati was like. Like, with that. The tall, beautiful black man? Do you remember that? Or what was that?

[Monet X Change]

Yes, Ashley. That was Heroes versus Villains.

[Selena S Cities]

Heroes versus Villains gave me my life. And there's something about an All Star season. Like, even with Drag Race, right? Like, it's like, these girls have been around. They know how to play the game, they're in it, they want to win, so they're gonna go to any lengths to get it. That kind of Survivor gameplay is really exciting to me for a season gonna be like an All Stars season on Survivor, and I'm very excited. My. My dream is local, go on 49, win, come back for 50, and then win that very Sandra tease.

[Monet X Change]

I'm gonna audition. I'm going to audition too. Like, and I have. I'll tell you some stuff after we get off about the whole thing, but I would like to go on Survivor as well. And I have some stuff you and I can talk about offline, But. Okay. My favorite season is between 28 and 2020 is the All Stars. It was the Heroes versus Villains. And I also love season 28. Season 28 was when I think Tony won, but that was with crazy Cat or whatever cast, Kooky cast, whatever they called her, Chaos cast. And so I think that was a good season. Do you remember the season? There was a season, I think 23 with coach. Do you remember the season? And y', all, he was a super, super religious. He was, like, the good guy. He's a very Religious player. And y', all, it became like a cult on the thing. Before every challenge, he would make all the players pray together. And then, like, it was. It was such a bizarre. I was like, I was at my TV screaming, like, what the fuck is going on? Like, after they finish a challenge, there's one challenge they all win.

[Selena S Cities]

The.

[Monet X Change]

His team win. He makes everyone get down on their knees right there and pray. And I was sitting there like, is this real life? Like, what are we watching on. Do you remember the season?

[Selena S Cities]

I do. And I remember Coach, but you know what's so interesting? It's like, I just like, oh, he's a kooky. Like, like martial arts guru, sure. But that's how Colts start. That's how people start. Like, you know, have you. Did you watch Mother God?

[Monet X Change]

I did it. I didn't.

[Selena S Cities]

Oh, my God. Mother God is a cult. It's the same exact thing. And then they started like, like praising her and working for her. And then they would drink colloidal silver and this turned blue into a mummy and died. And then they kept her bot. Like they kept her dead body in her bed and praised her and thinking she was going to come back to life for. For like months. It was. You don't know about.

[Monet X Change]

Is this a documentary? Where is this?

[Selena S Cities]

Yes, I think it's on hbo, Max. It's called Mother God. Mother God, honey. Oh, my God, she's a blue alien.

[Monet X Change]

I'm screaming, Mother God documentary. Let me look this up,

[Selena S Cities]

bitch. The first, the first three minutes of the doc is fucking scary because you just see her little creepy face. Watch Mother.

[Monet X Change]

Yeah, it's on hbo, Max. And it's. It's called Love Has Won the Cult of Mother God. I need to watch this. I love a good docu series like that. Like, you can just sit down all day on a Sunday and order Uber Eats and watch that shit. I love that kind of shit. Interesting. My favorite player on Survivor. Ah. Oh,

[Selena S Cities]

you have to watch it. It's sickening.

[Monet X Change]

Oh, my God.

[Selena S Cities]

You'll watch that and be like, oh, that's where Coach is from. Coach is like, literally one of the people in that. In that cult. It's crazy.

[Monet X Change]

Well, my first thought was, who likes Charlie Hines that much that they would pray to her. But love Charlie Hines,

[Selena S Cities]

the Uber driver?

[Monet X Change]

That's Robbie Turner.

[Selena S Cities]

Oh, my God.

[Monet X Change]

No, I, I. That, that's. That's bizarre. And I will watch it, though. I love a good. I love. There's the one, the one about the fundamentalists of Latter Day Saints. That one is Crazy.

[Selena S Cities]

It's. It's so interesting to watch how these cults are kind of cultivated because it. Thinking back, thinking back to Coach, right? And like him being able to get everyone to cultivate.

[Monet X Change]

Word for cultivating.

[Selena S Cities]

For.

[Monet X Change]

For cultivate. Yeah, because you're cultivating. Oh, my God.

[Selena S Cities]

You just.

[Monet X Change]

You just. You just illuminated it for me. Thank you. Yeah.

[Selena S Cities]

Wow. That was good. That was good. Good, good.

[Monet X Change]

But yeah, sorry, go ahead. I cut you off.

[Selena S Cities]

There is like this. It's weird how they feed off these people who really have, like, nowhere to go or like, no, like anything in their life. You know what I mean? So they latch onto them and give them hope to, like, follow me and I'll set you free. You know, I was a part of a cult type thing once. Did I tell you about this?

[Monet X Change]

Did I know what is going on? First the bath house thing and then now the blowjob on the boat and now what. What is this now?

[Selena S Cities]

I was in a cult type thing. Okay. So in. I think they have them everywhere, but there's like these, like, they're called like Life Form Spring or like they're like these business like, leadership programs. Have you heard of these?

[Monet X Change]

No.

[Selena S Cities]

Okay, so like, like, they're very popular for businesses and like, like big, big corporations will send their employees to go to these, these training sessions and they basically teach you how to be a leader in your community, at your job place, in your workplace, in your home. And it's all. It's like leadership programs, leadership skills. It's like about creating the life you. You desire and you know, like, being a fully present for your life and leadership skills. Xyz, whatever, whatever. So there's this one that is out here in LA and it's called I Don't know if I should. I was down on my luck. I didn't know what I was doing. It was when I was like, quitting drag and you know, being survivor ready. And my friend was like, hey, do you. Are you down on your luck? And I'm like, why, yes. And he's like, do you just feel like you don't know what you're doing with your life? And I was like, yeah, actually. He's like, why don't you come take this training session? I'll go with you and it'll help you, like, inspire where you should be doing with your life and you'll actually learn a lot about yourself. And, you know, I was like 23, 24 years old, and I was like, you know what, that sounds interesting. He's like, yeah, but it's $500. And I was like, oh, well, I don't have $500. He's like, I'll pay it for you. And I was like, well, in that case, sure. And he's like, okay, now I'm your angel. And I was like, oh, okay, work. Well, let's see what's going on. And then they. They take us to, like, this hotel in this banquet room, and there's all these people, and it's like, random. Like, it. Like, it looks like depressing. Like everyone has a gray cloud over the head. So it's definitely a type of people that they've sucked in, right? Who like, change in their life. And they. They make me sign this giant contract that's like a liability waiver that says if I kill myself

[Monet X Change]

and sign. That's corral.

[Selena S Cities]

It was very Ursula tease. And then they were like, you. If you. You kill yourself, it's not our fault. You're not allowed to say anything that happens in here, xyz, whatever the case is. And then I sign it because he's like, just sign it. And I was like, okay. And I'm. I don't know what the is going on. And then they put us in this room, and then this, like, head honcho, gorgeous, like, snatched old lady with the Botox and. And the clipboard, and she walks in and she sits down and she's like, listen up. And then we go on to this training course, and I do the next training course that cost a thousand dollars. And I was able to get people. You have to enroll. The whole thing is about enrolling people. You have to enroll people in your life. And then. And then the last course is the leadership program, and that costs even more money. And the leadership program, we were on call every single day with our person, and we had to do these things and we had to run out and we had to like, you know, we were basically. It felt very cult. Like, it was like leadership skills combined with, like, culty. Raise money for the program type thing. So we started getting people to sign up, and we had to enroll people to do the program. And I became people's angels. And I started to lose friends because I was like, you need this in your life. And, like, they would have us call people and they would be coaching us, like, while they're sitting standing next to us. And I'd be like, they're saying this and they're like, tell them if they want their life to be better. Do you want your life to be better, dad? Like, you don't understand, this is going to change your life.

[Monet X Change]

How old were you when you were doing this?

[Selena S Cities]

What happened?

[Monet X Change]

How old were you?

[Selena S Cities]

I was 24.

[Monet X Change]

24. Oh.

[Selena S Cities]

But there was people of all ages in the program. It was really wild. But what ended up happening for me was like, you know, we were sleep deprived. I really wasn't eating because we were running around doing all this stuff for the environment, for the world. And it was like, it was. It was like, I did learn a lot of cool leadership skills, but at the same time, I was like, what the hell am I doing? And, like, my friends were looking at me weird and they're like, girl, do you not see what's happening here? And I was like, I just need 500 or else I'm not gonna be knocking. Like, at the last straw was like, they wanted me to raise another 500 for something. And I was like, no. And so then they cut me off and then they went off to, like, this weird retreat in the mountain.

[Monet X Change]

And you just, like, walked away from it after everything?

[Selena S Cities]

I just walked away. Yeah. It was. It's a lot more, like, convoluted and a lot more aspects to it. But it was when I stepped, I step back and look at it now, I'm like, I think I was in a cult.

[Monet X Change]

I mean, the reality is that most Americans are in a cult. And it's called religion. Most Americans are in a cult. They are giving 10 of their money every month to. To an organization that they don't pay taxes on it. And these people are living in poverty. Like, you're living in a one bedroom apartment with your four family members, but you're giving.

[Selena S Cities]

Well, the pastor's driving a Lamborghini, you know, fucking everyone and their mama. Like, that's what really gets me is

[Monet X Change]

the most Americans are in a cult.

[Selena S Cities]

These rock star, like, whole, like priests who are on Instagram and famous. Like, there's a church right here in La Brea called Mosaic, and they praise this man like he's a celebrity. And I'm like, do y' all not see what's happening here?

[Monet X Change]

Like, it's crazy. Like, these pastors have these, like, multimillion dollar homes and they have these private jets and they have all the luxury cars, but yet half of their parishioners, half of their congregation can't put food on the table. Like, that shit is crazy. That's why organized religion, I most earnestly and honestly can say that I think that organized religion is the devil I believe in. I'm agnostic. I think there is a power Bigger than me that is out there. And I believe in energies and all that stuff. But organized religion, going to this building and giving this and saying you're going to tithe 10% of your annual earnings to this person, to these people, that is all fucking bullshit. It is all bullshit. But, you know, religion is the oldest profession they're talking about. Being a ho is the oldest profession. No, baby, church is the oldest profession. Stealing money from people, that is the oldest motherfucking profession.

[Selena S Cities]

I always felt like at some point, like the new generation is awake to what a scam. I think that it was not even a thing anymore. I don't know how it's still happening. Like, you know what I mean? Like, that's.

[Monet X Change]

They find new ways. Like they have, like this. Like this, like new religion, like hillsong. And they find ways to reinvent it to appeal to younger people so that they can help indoctrinate them and keep the cycle going. Like, it is always gonna morph and change so that. So that the young. So that it can. So that it always keeps this baseline of people who will go and be the disciples and reach out and get more people. Like, it's always going to do that. Religion always fudgeing does that.

[Selena S Cities]

Well, you know, I do. I go to this one. I consider it church. And like, there's these two. Two head priests. It's two people, and they're both beautiful black people who are bald. And they have their church called Sibling Rivalry. And I go and they have cousins and aunties, and I pay a monthly subscription, you know, and I. I can't. I can't put food on the table, but I have to pay in order to hear what you're going to tell me.

[Monet X Change]

Well, and listen, you too can be part of the church of the. Of the Rivalry. Okay? Just go to patreon.com sibling rivalry podcast and you can be part of the church of Rivalry, the house of rivalry. Okay, wait, have you. So. So are you watching Traders? Do you watch Traders? Do you like Traders?

[Selena S Cities]

I love Traders. You know, I play mafia with my friends and my friend group. Like, we play mafia to the death. It gets crazy.

[Monet X Change]

Why you ain't invited me? I want to play mafia. Why you invite me?

[Selena S Cities]

Well, it. So. So you know, your game nights, we play with Secret Hitler. But to be honest, sometimes there's some people, sometimes at your game nights who aren't the best game players. You really need a group of people who are willing to fight. Well, did you notice how Jacob wasn't at the last one? No, I'M just kidding. I mean, I feel like your game nights are more cultivated just for to have community and like, like a good time. My friend group, we, when we invite people who don't know what's going on, they literally like leave. Like they can't handle it because we get into screaming, arguing fights, we're jumping on the couches, we're like, you're the Mafia. And it gets crazy. And that's the way that I like to play. It is so juicy. But I'll never forget one time we played with, you know, we. I played with, I played with a really high profile celebrity and their friend group and I made it all the way to the end and I had her making everyone not vote for me. And at the end I killed her because I was mafia and I literally gagged everyone. And Mafia is actually a good way to find out if you know how to play Survivor because if you can get to the end as Mafia and convince everyone that you're a talent person, bitch, it's, that's Survivor right there. So I would play these Mafia games, like I would. My life depended on it. It's sickening.

[Monet X Change]

Yeah, I love. That's what Secret Hitler, the thing about when we do Secret Hitler, when we play that at the house, like we always kind of have, we. I don't know how we do it, but we always find people who don't have never played the game before and they are trying to like learn how to play it. So I think if we did a secret Hitler where everyone is a seasoned player and they know how to play the game instead of having to teach people every time, that'll be fun. But Mafia you can do like a lot of people. Secret Hitler you can do max 10 mafia is how many people can you play with?

[Selena S Cities]

Oh my God. I've played with 35 people before.

[Monet X Change]

See, that sounds fun. I want like a big like, you know what, when I, I'm having this housewarming party, but my house is still not done yet because we still have to renovate outside. When we finally fucking finish outside, I want to do a big like mafia, like 35 people, big event game playing situation where we're like doing a mafia with 35 people. Sounds fun.

[Selena S Cities]

Let's do it. It's everything, bitch. It is so sickening. People get hyphy and then like because there's so many people, everyone wants to chime in and like, you know what I mean? So it's just, it's so much more fun when there's so many more People.

[Monet X Change]

And we. And you know what? And when we play this one, we're going to play it around the pool. And when you are killed, you have to jump in the pool.

[Selena S Cities]

Yes, Down.

[Monet X Change]

We're going to play. I would love that night. Whatever. That would be so kind. Oh, my words. We're doing that. We're doing that. And we're going to stream it for. For the Church of Rivalry on Patreon.

[Selena S Cities]

Boots.

[Monet X Change]

Boots.

[Selena S Cities]

Oh, my God. I live. No, that'll be so much fun. But yeah, you know, I,

[Monet X Change]

I say. Oh, I was saying that Saree from Survivor, who never won a Survivor, she made it to the end on season 42. The all W or the best players. The one. So three has made it to the end, like twice on Survivor. Yeah, twice. And she has not won. She went on fucking Traders. And the way season one, the season one win of Traitors, the way Saree masterfully fucking played that game, it was a masterclass in deception. Like, she went the entire game never being noticed, no one ever calling her out. She. It was the way she fucking did that shit was baller. Saree is an amazing game player.

[Selena S Cities]

It was savage because if you didn't watch it, there was this, like, other guy and she. The way that Surrey packaged her final statement in order to win, she kind of threw. Threw the guy's family like, under the bus and like took his personal information, he told her and used it against him in order to make him not vote for her or something like that. And that was so savage. And a part of me felt so bad because they were so hurt that she took something so personal. But at the same time. But the way that surreal was like, sorry, like, I wanted to win. I was like, that's the game.

[Monet X Change]

At the end of the day, that's what you sign up to do. My thing about Traders, though, they do not give enough money. The Traders Prize is like $200,000. I'm like, Survivor is a million. Like, Big Brother is a million. I think Survivor's 2 million now. Like, it should be more money.

[Selena S Cities]

I think that for Drag Race, like, bitch, we're spending so much money to go to Drag Race and they're winning. You know what I mean? Like, girls are spending more than the cash prize, but they're. But the circle. You can win a million dollars on the circle. It makes no sense.

[Monet X Change]

That's crazy. Just sit in your room pretending to be Justin Bieber talking about, baby. But yeah, I watched Traitors the UK seasons, season one and two, so fucking good. And my only thing about traitor. Watching it, I was like, if I get cast on the show, I want to be a traitor. But like, watching it, the traitors seem to be having a horrible time. They are crying, they feel bad. Except for sere the traitors in the UK seasons. And the traitors look like they're just having the worst time. They feel bad about the line, the deceiving. They're really, really, really hurting. But I think I feel like with

[Selena S Cities]

the American seasons too so far, I feel like they're still kind of learning what the gameplay is. I feel like if when enough season come out and people understand how it works, people go in knowing how to be a traitor better than like, you know, than they are. They have been right now. Because right now it is too emotional. It's like too emotional of a game.

[Monet X Change]

Yeah. Like, and also the reason people don't realize the reason why they vote traders off is so arbitrary. They'll be like, Selena woke up this morning, she had an orange instead of an apple. I think. I think she's a traitor. And this one person says that and the whole everyone is like, oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, she had an orange apple. That's weird, right?

[Selena S Cities]

Traders.

[Monet X Change]

Traders will. They love orange. They're like, what the are y' all talking about? It's so arbitrary.

[Selena S Cities]

Yeah, it's literally that. Or like they just look at you weird and that's, oh, we're voting her out. There's no. Yeah, it's, it's. It's a while.

[Monet X Change]

Yeah, there's no rhyme or reason. I would love to be traded as well.

[Selena S Cities]

I lowkey, like, am annoyed by the challenges. I'm like, unless the challenges have an aspect where like you're learning beef about someone or you're getting a little bit of tea. Some sort of who voted for who. I like those kind of challenges, but challenges just to get money. I'm like, girl, can we just fast forward to the gameplay? Like, I wanna, I wanna talk about.

[Monet X Change]

Yeah, I agree. And like, I'm sorry, I do not want to. The reason why the Survivor challenges speak to me is because it's like nice, beautiful Aegean oceans. I don't want to jump in. No. Uk, Scotland, ice cold water. Okay. I don't want to do that.

[Selena S Cities]

That looks cold as I would. Yeah, girl.

[Monet X Change]

If their water is anything like their food, it's fucking nasty and I don't want to jump in that shit.

[Selena S Cities]

When I was. I was so I was invited to that Survivor event, right? The for your consideration event. And they had like different games that you could play. Like, they had slide puzzles and they had, like, these beanbag games you could play.

[Monet X Change]

I was slaying those me off. I saw that.

[Selena S Cities]

Oh, you saw that? You saw that? I'm just trying to get it in the zeitgeist that they should have two drag. Drag race girls on there. That get up island of drag race girls. Could you imagine on Survivor?

[Monet X Change]

Okay, who. Who we casting on the. On the. On the. On the drag race Survivor? We need to cast people who would

[Selena S Cities]

actually be good or we just, like, want entertainment, you know what I mean?

[Monet X Change]

No, people who would actually be good.

[Selena S Cities]

Well, they also have to be a little physical, you know what I mean? Like, be able to handle challenges.

[Monet X Change]

I mean, Sandra has never been physical and Survivor ever. Suri has never been. Remember that with this, when Sari went back for the season 42 or whatever it was, and, like, the whole cast was crying because she couldn't do this one thing. And Jeff was like, come on, Siree, dig deeper. You got this. It was like three hours of seeing Siree trying to, like, walk across the platform. I'm like, girl,

[Selena S Cities]

I'm at home crying when I watch that. Because I was like, you could do it. No, to be honest, Survivor's the one show where I start crying. Like, I literally. So they used to do this thing back in the day where they would have the families come to the island, and then, you know. Yeah, they don't do it anymore. But that every time makes me cry my eyes out like that. I, I. Survivor makes me cry every time. If they did that back again, like, they would. They would win an Emmy. I feel like they want to win an Emmy so bad.

[Monet X Change]

Yeah. I don't know why they. Why they stopped doing that. I mean, they stopped doing it when Covid happened, and then they haven't brought it back since. COVID has gotten better because God forbid you say, code is over, bitch, I'm gonna get like, bonet. Covid is not over, you stupid bald bitch. So now that Covid is not as intense as it was, I thought they would bring it back.

[Selena S Cities]

I think it's because the seasons are shorter now because they shoot. They shoot like an elimination every single day, where back in the day, they used to shoot an elimination every two days or something. Like, you would have a full day of just, like, strategy. So it's just the different setup now, but I think it's just because they're pumping out seasons this time around. But when I had done that, that live event thing, I was like, I could do these challenges. Like, I'M I'm. I'm capable. So to think about girls, I would do it. I feel like Cameron Michaels would be a good physical person to do the show.

[Monet X Change]

You name one and I'll name one until we get to 18. Jacob, keep. Keep track of us. Okay. You said Cameron Michaels. Um, I'm gonna say. I'm gonna say Kim Chi. I don't think Kim would be great in the physical challenges, but Kim would be. Kim would find a way to stay on board the entire time. Because Kim is a very good man.

[Selena S Cities]

I like to watch her play, but a part of me feels like you're so hateful for saying her. Like, she's gonna need a lot of rice, honey. Also, Kim would be able to cook some bomb ass rice.

[Monet X Change]

I'm about to say Kim want to find dandelion greens, coconut juice and ant. Ant turds and make us a meal.

[Selena S Cities]

Okay, I agree. I agree. Kimchi would be sickening. I like that. Okay, I'm gonna say Vanjie because I need someone who's really loud and annoying that people are gonna want to vote out, you know?

[Monet X Change]

Oh, that's good. Distraction, distraction, Distraction.

[Selena S Cities]

Yes.

[Monet X Change]

I would say Monique heart. I think Monique Hart is again, Monique Hart will be so loud and so she would be a nice. Like, I can like throw, throw, throw the. The signals at her. I'm like, get her.

[Selena S Cities]

She'll probably spit out Bible verses and things and get us praying every morning.

[Monet X Change]

Oh, girl, I can't.

[Selena S Cities]

All right, that's six we. Who would I say? I would say.

[Monet X Change]

Let me go to this. I'm going to say the drag to the list of Drew girls. Drag race girls. No. There so many seasons. I can't remember who the is still here.

[Selena S Cities]

You know what? I would like to see Trixie play just because she's so good at everything else in the world. Like, I'm like, she's not competitive.

[Monet X Change]

Trixie is not competitive. Trixie would be horrible at Survivor.

[Selena S Cities]

You think so?

[Monet X Change]

Yes, horrible. But we going. I guess Trixie girl first out. I say Raven. I think Raven. I don't know if Raven is physical, but I think Raven will be a good. A good strategic player.

[Selena S Cities]

She's been working out. She's actually really strong. She got muscles. Honey. I was in the dressing room with her the other day and I was like, you look like trade from the neck down.

[Monet X Change]

From the neck down.

[Selena S Cities]

Like, I just want to cast people who I think would be funny on Survivor because I was like, could you imagine Eureka swimming?

[Monet X Change]

Oh, my God. Eureka would be a mess. Oh, I Will cast Milk. Milk would be good on the show too.

[Selena S Cities]

Oh.

[Monet X Change]

Oh, my God. No. You know, I have a crush on

[Selena S Cities]

right now who I just saw how to only fans and I saw. I saw Wiener.

[Monet X Change]

Pearl.

[Selena S Cities]

Pearl.

[Monet X Change]

Pearl. Oh. And Pearl is all, like, butchering. She's like, she is muscular down and she's building.

[Selena S Cities]

Like, she builds forts and beds and bookshelves. She would be able to build me a shelter.

[Monet X Change]

That's a good person to have. That would be good.

[Selena S Cities]

Yes.

[Monet X Change]

Yep.

[Selena S Cities]

Because we need someone to build shelter. That's. That's nine. Nine.

[Monet X Change]

I'm gonna cast Evie, oddly because so. So, like, all those challenges that, like, you know when you gotta scoop the thing and go under the log, we'll get like a little solo cup. And she was. She was squeeze her little skinny ass to that thing. Yep. Evie.

[Selena S Cities]

Okay. Who else? God, I don't know. You know, I don't really know a lot of Drag Race girls, to be honest.

[Monet X Change]

Maddie Morpheus, she's straight. She'll be great.

[Selena S Cities]

Oh, okay. Maddie. I'm like, I'm scared of her because she. I think she'd play a really good social game.

[Monet X Change]

She will.

[Selena S Cities]

She would be like. She would have 18 alliances that peppermint

[Monet X Change]

would be a good one on there. Peppermint would be good social.

[Selena S Cities]

You think so? Because Peppermint wasn't Not. No, no. Shade. But she was not good at Traders.

[Monet X Change]

Yeah. What it is. Peppermint is such a sweet, kind person. Traders is not the kind of game for Peppermint. Peppermint is too nice. She's such a nice person. Yeah.

[Selena S Cities]

Yeah.

[Monet X Change]

Trinity would be great.

[Selena S Cities]

Oh, she would be fantastic. Trinity would, like, play the game so well. You know, I'm like, Manila would be good too. Then if we're playing, like, strategy would be good. Manila. I would love to have Jiggly just because. Could you imagine Jiggly

[Monet X Change]

girl. Jiggly be good. And then G. And then Gia. Gia Gun.

[Selena S Cities]

A cast of Drag Race girls on an island trying to survive. Like that. That's a solid gold television right there. Like, what's wrong with Hall? Like, why. Why do they sleep on like. Like, hello. The proof is in the pudding. Like, Drag Race has been winning Emmys. Can you imagine putting us in, like, even more high stress situation that has nothing to do with talent or drag. Like, we would go crazy on each other. It'd be sick.

[Monet X Change]

It's this glass ceiling thing that I just don't understand what is wrong with American tv Like in the uk? Drag, drag, drag. Girls. Girls and people in drag are on like, all they're on regular talk shows, they're on the game shows like all other celebrities do. America just has this thing where we just cannot break through that. And I don't understand what it is. Like, I want to. So I love game show television. Like, I watch $100,000 Pyramid all the time and all those shows that come on abc. And I was talking to my agent about it, I was like, you know, I want to do one of those. He's like, yeah. He's like, they just don't want to have drag talent on there. And I was like, why the fuck not? Like, I would be so good. $100,000 permit. Like, you mean to tell me with my measly 1.2 followers will be terrible. But Cindy Buku, with her 10,000 followers because she was an extra on season 97 of Reno 911, she'll be better. Okay, got it. Yeah, that makes sense.

[Selena S Cities]

Maybe we should just start our. Okay, can I tell you this, like, my secret dream also, mind you. Okay. So what I've been going through right now, like, with my life and career and everything, is, like, really recognizing that the race has truly begun. After Drag Race, like, you know, I

[Monet X Change]

heard that for the longest time, that's when the race is.

[Selena S Cities]

But I'm like, wow. You know, and even watching, like, compared to a lot of, like, my other sisters or past Drag Race alum, I'm like, what are y' all doing? Like, how. How are y' all maneuvering? And it's really, like, a learning curve. Like, there's no support. You're figuring it all out.

[Monet X Change]

It's your.

[Selena S Cities]

So I'm like, work. Because before Drag Race, I was like, my dream is to have a production company for. So we can make Drag Queen content in a very, like, high quality way that's not like, green screens and, you know, camp. Not, like. Not like parody, but, like, legit cinema and, like, tv. Tv, A whole channel dedicated to, like, game shows with drag queens, like, hosting it and stuff like that would be sickening. Like, if we had our own game show, like, it would just be so good. I don't know. Anyways, I'm learning.

[Monet X Change]

For a while, I didn't know because it does take work to get out there. But I tell you, like, the race. People. People. People don't understand. Like, the race is really after Drag Race. That's when that shit really starts. And trying to make a market, you know, I'm very grateful that I have. You know, I'm a girl that I've worked since My season, my original season. But like, that shit is hard fucking work. It's really hard out here too. Stay relevant and supersede your passions and spend. That's what people don't realize, how much money you have to spend to do the things you want to do. Like to create music, to have all these new looks, to have to do all these auditions. Like, it costs so much money to maintain and do the things that you have to do out here. It's fucking crazy. It's fucking crazy.

[Selena S Cities]

It really is. And like, a lot of stuff that I want to do has dancers and choreography and dancers and choreographer alone cost it. Like, for me, like this last video did cost more than $4,000 just for that. You know what I mean? Like, I don't have $4,000 just to throw. You know what I mean? But also, I cannot pay dancers. So I'm like, it's so. It's such a double edged sword and I'm like, I will not eat for three months so I can just have some dancers. You know what I mean? Like, it really comes to that for me is crazy. It's wild, right? But it's exciting. I am grateful that I get to do it, you know, like, it's. It's very exciting. But I'm like struggle with my head. My head is like. Because, you know, I watch you, I watch Trixie. Like, I see you guys and like, we're all the same age. So it's weird because, like, it took for me to get on, I had to get on Drag Race first in a way to be able to hit, you know, get to, to where I'm at now. But it's like, fuck. I feel like I know there's no comparing because everything happened at different times. But I'm like, we're. I like that we're all the same age, but at the same time I'm like, I feel like I'm playing catch up because I'm like, well, I got to hurry up and like, you know, but everything that is something that I look at, I'm like, I'm inspired by you guys and I look up to you guys, but at the same time I'm like, we're the same age, you

[Monet X Change]

know, like, it's a girl, you know, when I first came, I used to do the thing. I'm comparing myself with people and I realized, girl, my journey is my journey. And I don't know what this bitch done had, did to get where she's at. So you know what I mean? I'm just like, trying to do my thing and for good, bad, ugly, indifferent, whatever the fuck it is, you know?

[Selena S Cities]

But that's why I think, you know, I just need to get on Survivor. Backstab a couple.

[Monet X Change]

Yeah, Survivor.

[Selena S Cities]

Win a million dollars.

[Monet X Change]

And listen, Jeff Probst put cast us together on the same season. Like, that's what y' all need. Y' all need some dragon Survivor. Like, when I saw him, I did that. I did that late night or whatever, the show with Lily. Lily, Tom Lindo, Taylor Tomlinson. And they brought him out, and then, like, I spoke to him after the show. He was like. He's like, hey. Like, literally we were coming backstage, he's like, aw, Monet, it's so good to see you. And I was like, oh, my God. Hi, Jeff. I knew who you were. He was like, yes. He's like, ah, Monet, so good to see you. And then we hugged, and then we took that picture that I posted backstage. And he was like. He's like, you know, I gotta tell you, we wanted to make sure that we surprised you tonight. And I'm so happy that you were surprised and no one spilled the beans. I was like, yes. I had no idea we were gonna be here. And I should have said to him, like, well, bitch, when are you gonna cast me on your motherfucking show? But I did not. I didn't take my time. Right. But it was cute.

[Selena S Cities]

This week, I'm really going to do it.

[Monet X Change]

Wait, you're going to what? This week? You cut off?

[Selena S Cities]

I'm going to audition.

[Monet X Change]

Are the. Is the casting happening now?

[Selena S Cities]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Monet X Change]

You know what? Drag Race audition tapes scare me. I just can't. I just can't. Drag Race audition tapes are literally the devil, and I just can't bring myself to do an audition tape again. It's crazy.

[Selena S Cities]

When I got the 15 casting notice email, I literally, like, dropped my plate and, like, fell to my knees in my kitchen and started crying because I was like, not again. Not again. Like, it. Like, the fat. When I didn't have to audition for season 16, it was, like, the most joyous moment of my life. When I got that email, I was like, you. I don't ever have to make an audition tape ever again. Because that is insane. People don't know that, like, literally. I think that might have been harder than actually getting ready for Drag Race. Is doing your audition t tape.

[Monet X Change]

The tapes are crazy, y'. All. The tapes for draggers are insane. They. They require so much of you. And I did it five times, and Me, too.

[Selena S Cities]

I Would it took me five times.

[Monet X Change]

Five times? Yeah. It's every year. I'll be like, wait, and you.

[Selena S Cities]

You went home six your first season, right?

[Monet X Change]

Yeah, I went home six.

[Selena S Cities]

Yeah, I went home six, too.

[Monet X Change]

See, girl, we're. We're. We're six sisters trajectories.

[Selena S Cities]

And, you know, I really. I have a feeling that had I not called Ross Matthews a. I would have won Miss Congeniality. I really feel like. I really feel like I would have. I would have taken that. The girls, like, stop talking to me when that happened because they didn't want to be associated because we were still like, like. But I feel like had that not happened, I would have gotten the votes to win.

[Monet X Change]

I'm screaming. I really feel that damn. Well, you know what? Listen, everything happens for a reason, and you came out of it on the other side, and it's on. It's on. It's one of the things that just when something that happens, I'm like, you know what? This is going to be so good when I have my 40th, my 50th birthday party and recounting moments from my career. It's going to be a moment that everyone's going to laugh at. It's going to be A Kiki and RuPaul is going to be there and Michelle is going to be there, and Jennifer Hudson is going to be there, and they're all going to be laughing. Remember when Selena did that? Like, you just gotta, like, laugh at it and just know what it is.

[Selena S Cities]

Why is Jennifer Hudson there?

[Monet X Change]

Because at that point, y' all gonna be besties. And you would. And you'd have done her show so many times that y' all are just friends now.

[Selena S Cities]

Oh, okay. Work. I'll take that. I just watched Dreamgirls the other day and, like, Dream Girls, one of my favorite movies. It's so good.

[Monet X Change]

It's so good.

[Selena S Cities]

After we are

[Monet X Change]

well, Selena City. Thank you so much for stopping by today. This is always. It is always an illuminating and fun conversation with you about stuff. And don't let anyone bully you about what you want to talk about. Selena, don't let these hoes out here dictate how you behave and talk on the Internet. Well, your business is your business, and authenticity is what we love. And that's why I love you, because you're always so authentic.

[Selena S Cities]

Well, thank you. I'm learning. But again, like, it's a learning curve. You know what I mean? Like, going through all this, figuring out what to do, what not to do, how to do, but I'M learning every day. Like, just do whatever the fuck you want to do, and it's fine.

[Monet X Change]

Whatever the fuck you want, girl. Whatever the fuck you want. Yeah. And with that, she puts back on her Balenciagas and she's out.

[Selena S Cities]

Oh, no, baby, this is Givenchy.

[Monet X Change]

Givenchy. Excuse me. Givenchy. All right with that. Have a good day, y'.

[Selena S Cities]

All.