No Rivalry (With Gottmik)

Summary

Sibling Rivalry Podcast: "No Rivalry (With Gottmik)"

Release Date: October 6, 2025
Hosts: Bob the Drag Queen & Gottmik (in place of Monét X Change)
Featured Guest: Gottmik
Podcast Description: Bob the Drag Queen and Monét X Change (with Gottmik subbing in) are the irreverent comedy duo behind the hit podcast "Sibling Rivalry," combining their drag wisdom, biting humor, and legendary chemistry for a weekly dose of pop culture, behind-the-scenes Drag Race lore, and candid queer chat.

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Episode Overview

In this special "Wife Swap" edition, Gottmik joins Bob the Drag Queen for an electric episode full of Drag Race gossip, the realities of touring, music talk, and messy club nights. With Monét and Violet Chachki swapping podcast duties, Bob and Gottmik explore toxic lateness, drag rumor-mongering, RuPaul’s favorites, Madonna critiques, the grind behind Gottmik's success, and the dynamics of drag sisterhood. Their witty banter and candid confessions give fans a candid peek behind the glam.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Sibling "Wife Swap": Kicking Off With Tour Tales & Tardiness

Timestamps: [01:46–05:38]

• Bob and Gottmik joke about doing a "wife swap," with Monét over on "No Gorge" and Violet on the other show.
• They debate who's most chronically late in drag—Violet Chachki, Valentina, or Monet—with Bob sharing a hilarious tour intervention story:

  “Valentina was like, you want me to feel bad because I’m late, but I’m late every day. Do you want me to feel bad every day? I’m like, no, bitch, we don’t want you to be late.”
  — Bob the Drag Queen, [03:10]

• Gottmik admits to extreme punctuality:

  “I’m actually psychotically amazing with being on time. Like, I’m a little too punctual.”
  — Gottmik, [03:26]

2. Review Shows, Fan Drama & Online Criticism

Timestamps: [05:42–08:29]

• They reflect on the heat from Drag Race review shows, referencing the Tamisha Iman saga and how internet fans get triggered by even mild critiques.
• Bob discusses how any dislike directed at contestants is overinterpreted:

  “If me and Monet don’t like someone on the season, then everyone’s like, you’re bullying them because they’re fat or because they’re a twink... It’s really not that deep.”
  — Bob the Drag Queen, [06:48]

• Gottmik notes that pretty much everyone loves her, except for "one or two" people—sparked by rumors and a reference to a director with "eight pet tarantulas."

3. Drag Race Rumors: The 'Rich Kid' Stereotype

Timestamps: [12:49–14:44]

• Bob addresses the "rich kid" rumor about Gottmik—she flat-out denies it, clarifying:

  “My dad was, like, driving Uber, and my mom works at, like, Target. It’s not giving that.”
  — Gottmik, [13:48]

• Gottmik details how she hustled, taking celeb makeup jobs, living in a living room, and learning skills on YouTube:

  “I would tell everyone I could do anything. They’re like, can you do this crazy special effects? I’d be like, duh. And then I’d be in the Uber, like, watching YouTube tutorials…”
  — Gottmik, [15:03]

4. Makeup, Madonna, and RuPaul’s Evolving Favorites

Timestamps: [20:10–24:14], [40:06–41:33]

• Bob and Gottmik delve into their experiences with RuPaul and Madonna.
• Gottmik confides about Ru changing favorites, and Bob shares a Madonna anecdote:

  "Madonna was like, what's with her face? Like, why is she so white? Can't she just do a regular face? And I was like, no, that's kind of her thing."
  — Bob the Drag Queen, [40:32]

5. Club Nights, Arm Wrestling, and Fashion Fiascos

Timestamps: [24:14–34:27]

• Anecdotes about broken arms, goth beekeeper looks, and drag club shenanigans. Bob retells bumping into Gottmik—dressed in all black with a huge cast—at the GLAAD Awards after an arm-wrestling injury.
• Both relive a dramatic night where karaoke hosts snubbed Bob, causing drama with friends:

  “There were people going, like, four and five times, literally. And Bob and I were gonna perform an iconic medley of Defying Gravity...”
  — Gottmik, [31:13]

6. Touring, Sibling Rivalry, and Outdoing Each Other Onstage

Timestamps: [41:41–49:46], [54:22–55:05], [65:00–66:43]

• Gottmik previews their tour with Violet: a rock vs. glam theme, with escalating theatricality—including aerial acts and no "big room" bus privileges.
• Discuss mutual admiration for Violet ("she’s very motherly, taught me so much about drag") and plans for circus-like aerial duets.

7. Drag Race Legacy, Style, and Internet Fandom

Timestamps: [45:45–48:40], [55:05–56:55]

• Bob and Gottmik reflect on being veterans in drag and the evolving meaning of "old queen"—it’s more about attitude than length of career.
• Admiration for queens like Candy Muse, Nymphia, and Plastique, especially those who incorporate cultural heritage into looks:

  “I think the best looks are, like, special to people, so I love that one the most.”
  — Gottmik, [55:36]

8. Behind the Scenes of Musical and Runway Challenges

Timestamps: [55:55–59:21]

• Dissection of how musical Drag Race challenges are produced; Gottmik reveals the isolation of pre-filming ("sequestered") and how second chances let her break out of rigid show instructions.

9. Hard Times on All Stars and Gottmik’s Drag Journey

Timestamps: [59:54–62:59]

• Gottmik recounts a tough All Stars filming moment, made worse by a triggering look (blonde wig, prosthetic boobs) and mental health struggles.
• Bob expresses empathy and gratitude for Gottmik's professionalism, especially in tough circumstances.

10. Friendship, Mutual Support, and Making Amends

Timestamps: [62:30–64:36]

• Bob apologizes for asking Gottmik to appear in a music video (as a blonde, busty mom), not realizing how uncomfortable the assignment would be.

  “I owe you one. If you ever need something ... you let me know.”
  — Bob the Drag Queen, [63:43]

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• Valentina’s lateness revelation:

  “Do you want me to feel bad because I’m late, but I’m late every day? Do you want me to feel bad every day?”
  — Valentina (paraphrased by Bob), [03:12]

• Madonna on Gottmik’s face:

  “What’s with her face? Why is she so white? Can’t she just do a regular face?”
  — Madonna (paraphrased by Bob), [40:32]

• Gottmik on Drag Race rumors:

  “My dad was, like, driving Uber, and my mom works at, like, Target. It’s not giving that.”
  — Gottmik, [13:48]

• Bob on internet critique:

  “It’s really not that deep. I swear it’s not that deep.”
  — Bob the Drag Queen, [06:48]

• On performing live for the first time:

  “We’re performing our new music... It’s gonna be really nice live. I’ve never performed live like that.”
  — Gottmik, [66:43]

• Bob, humblebragging about colorblindness:

  “It’s called red green deficiency. So I can’t see shades. Christmas is scary for you.”
  — Bob the Drag Queen, [50:35]

• On friendship and working together:

  “You and I, when we get together, we cut up. I love hanging out with you and it would be so fun to work with you.”
  — Gottmik, [29:42]

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Important Segments & Timestamps

• Wife Swap & Lateness: [01:46–05:38]
• Drag Race Rumors & Review Show Drama: [05:42–14:44]
• The Gottmik Rich Kid Myth: [12:49–14:44]
• Madonna Reads Gottmik’s Makeup: [40:06–41:33]
• Club Stories, Broken Arms, Beekeeper Looks: [24:14–34:27]
• Karaoke Host Drama: [30:16–31:48]
• Tour Talk, Bus Life, and Learning Aerial: [41:41–49:46], [65:00–66:43]
• Drag Race Challenges & Mental Health: [55:55–62:05]
• On Being Genuinely Old School: [45:45–48:40]
• Apology & Reflecting On Friendship: [62:30–64:36]

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Final Thoughts & Outro

Bob and Gottmik’s rapport is electric, with hilarious anecdotes, candid confessions, and lambasting of drag’s most persistent myths. The episode captures both the fun and real struggles of touring, the harsh lens of drag fandom, and the importance of friendship in queer performance. The mix of gossip, gratitude, and giggles keeps things deeply entertaining and highly personal—reminding fans why "Sibling Rivalry" stands apart.

For more:

• See Gottmik's tour dates and music at gotmik.com
• Check out the "No Gorge" episode with Monét X Change & Violet Chachki for wife swap chaos!

Sign-off:

“Y’all please hop over to Sibling Gorge… It will not be as good as this episode… because we are.”
— Bob the Drag Queen, [68:47]

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(End of Summary)

Transcript

[Gottmik]

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[Gottmik]

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[Bob the Drag Queen]

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[Gottmik]

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[Bob the Drag Queen]

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[Gottmik]

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[Bob the Drag Queen]

My name is Bob the Drag Queen.

[Gottmik]

And I'm Monet X Change.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

And this is sibling rivalry.

[Gottmik]

On this week's episode, we do a wife swap.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Madonna reads got mixed makeup for filth.

[Gottmik]

And we find out what made Bob say this.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

You want me to feel bad every day? And we found out what made got Mick say this.

[Gottmik]

I stand by that. I don't care.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I am so excited to be here. We're doing a wife swap. A trading spouses. And my wife is over at no Gorge.

[Gottmik]

Yes, she is.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

How do you think they're gonna. How do you think they're doing without us right now?

[Gottmik]

I. Girl, are they even? Did they make it in the same room?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Okay, I will say this. Monet's not necessarily late, but I am always there before Monet.

[Gottmik]

I will say this, Violet is always late.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Oh, everyone knows Monet. Violet is the. The. Well, I mean, we've had this conversation. Everyone on the Internet has conversation a thousand times. It's a toss up between Violet, Chachki and Valentina.

[Gottmik]

Oh, Valentina might win.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

And I was on tour with both of them at the same time.

[Gottmik]

Well, they probably amped each other up, too.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Oh, they very, very much. Big upping each other. And one of my favorite moments was we were in, I think Canada or somewhere. Denver, I can't remember. And the lateness had gotten so bad that we had to have. We had to call a meeting.

[Gottmik]

Right?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

We have to, like, we have to. We have to talk about this lateness. Like, this is crazy. And then Violet was kind of. Violet was like, I'm late. I'll try to work on it. And Valentina was like. She goes, you want me to feel bad because I'm late, but I'm late every day. Do you want me to feel bad every day? I'm like, no, bitch, we don't want you to be late.

[Gottmik]

Like, kinda.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Yeah, you want me to feel bad every day?

[Gottmik]

A little bit, if that's what that means.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

No, but how are you with being on time?

[Gottmik]

I'm actually psychotically amazing with being on time. Like, I'm a little too punctual.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

But I got a crazy text this morning from you.

[Gottmik]

I'm in Taurus psychosis.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Don't be mad at me.

[Gottmik]

Yes. Yes, please, yes. The no gorge. Ptsd. But I literally had. I was filming until like three in the morning last night. I. My under eyes are so burned.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

And you look great. Are you wearing a concealer or anything?

[Gottmik]

I'm wearing a green color corrector. My new favorite thing.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Oh, gang, gang. Who's a buy Typology. Okay.

[Gottmik]

Not sponsored.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Not sponsored as fan. Just a fan. Just a fan.

[Gottmik]

Yeah. But yeah, so I was at like three in the morning, I got here and then I had a call at 8am and I was like in the middle of my Google teams meeting with all these people, like, doing my hair. Freaking out.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Like, bob, your hair also looks very nice.

[Gottmik]

Oh, my God, Bob, stop.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Do you want to give me a compliment?

[Gottmik]

Okay, I love your.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

It shouldn't be this hard.

[Gottmik]

The texture of your head today shouldn't be that hard.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Okay. You're on the Google Meets the team of. Meets the Google teams. The jeans. The blue jeans meeting.

[Gottmik]

Yes. And I was just freaking out doing like, my hair. I was like, bob, please don't be mad at me. I'm late. Like, I'll be there in five minutes. And it was literally not like, not even nine in the morning.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I was like. I was like. I was like, girl, it's like for an hour. It's not even for an hour. And you're like, oh. I mean, is Violet nice to work with? Like, if you were late for Violet, what would that be like?

[Gottmik]

I mean, that would be when pigs fly at that point. I mean, she would understand because it's usually opposite. I feel so she would understand. But yeah, the late. I think she would be. I Mean, clearly, I think she would be crazy, because I would texted you.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

In that crazy tone if you got there after Violet, how late are you? If it's just tomorrow, the next day? At this point? Yeah, I feel like Violet has a real soft spot for you. Like, she. She's, like, nicer to you than she is to any.

[Gottmik]

I mean, she's actually. Look, she's a super nice person, believe it or not.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I.

[Gottmik]

Like, she's the best person ever, and she just knows what she wants and will get it and. Which I think is fierce in a way.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

So, I mean, I. I like her. I. I like her.

[Gottmik]

She.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

She's cool with me.

[Gottmik]

Yeah, she loves you.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I'm gonna ask you a couple questions, please. Okay. So you have done two seasons of RuPaul's Drag Race, and you have been critiqued by me and Monet.

[Gottmik]

Oh, yes.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

While on Drag Race. So I don't know. I don't know how much you remember this. Do you watch any review shows?

[Gottmik]

I think during season 13, I was really into yours.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

So you were there for the drama that me and Monet had with Tamisha Mon?

[Gottmik]

Yes.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Yeah. It was madness. It was absolute madness. It was insane. It was crazy. But then you and Violet were reviewing All Stars.

[Gottmik]

Seven, right? Nine.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Nine, right. Was that. No. Seven with.

[Gottmik]

With Raja. Oh, fashion photo review. Oh, yeah, we did.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

So you got the heat. So everyone. I will say this, everyone is not for these review streets.

[Gottmik]

Wait, do you get that. Well, you don't get that level of crazy, but do you get that crazy like the. The drag psycho breed?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

So, okay, there's a lot of people who are mad at us. First of all, the Drag Race fans are always mad at us, because if me and Monet don't like someone for the season, then everyone's like, you're bullying them because they're fat or because they're a twink or because they're white or because they're this. They'll pick. Why? We don't like this one person. Like, I just don't like their drag. It's really not. It's really not that deep. I swear it's not that deep. Or because they're old or because they're ba ba ba. The Internet can't decide if I. If I. If I hate Twinks or if I. If I'm obsessed with twinks or if my. They can't decide. They're like, you don't like Blair St. Clair because you want to top her, which is true. Probably. I mean, I would, but I don't I don't actively, like, want to. I'm not like, I'm not like having fever dreams. Yeah, yeah. But the whole thing is like, everyone's like. But I'm like, there's lots of twinks who've been on Drag Race I don't hate. I just didn't like her run on Drag Race.

[Gottmik]

Right.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Know what I mean?

[Gottmik]

Yeah. You were nice to me.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

So, I mean, cuz you, everyone, you did a great job. Everyone was nice to you. First of all, I will say this. You are one of those people who almost. Almost every person I have ever met who has met you, loves you.

[Gottmik]

Almost. For sure.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Almost. There's like, there's like one or two. Name them.

[Gottmik]

Name them.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I don't want to. You know, you know who.

[Gottmik]

You know who, you know, I could imagine.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Well, you. That one director who you. Who you had in.

[Gottmik]

Oh, my God.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Who's one of my best friends.

[Gottmik]

Well, that says something about you, doesn't it, sweetie? Someone needs a discount on her music videos that bad.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Oh, my God. But anyway, that being said, no, I've known him for years. Like, years. I've noticed anyone that has eight pet.

[Gottmik]

Tarantulas, as is a red flag.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

He likes animals.

[Gottmik]

Oh, my God. Okay.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Oh, my God.

[Gottmik]

So did Jeffrey Dahmer.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I've known him since he was like 19 years old and I was like 22. Yeah, okay, I raised him. But everyone else really loves you. Everyone else I've met just can't get enough of you. And you've also kind of been dethroned, though, because you used to be one of RuPaul's favorites. You, you know, you were her favorite. And now Georgeous Jorgeous and Lydia and oh, and I think the new favorite, favorite is Lawrence Chaney.

[Gottmik]

Oh, new are you?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I think, I think Lawrence Chaney. I think it's kind of a wild.

[Gottmik]

Card because I'm like, okay, RuPaul's favorite. Just like whoever she literally wants to like. Is it like a twink thing?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I don't think she's into twinks. Is she? She doesn't seem like it.

[Gottmik]

I don't know. I'd be down. I like dead ass. Like, I would be so down for her and her husband.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I mean, I say to look at her husband. I think she likes gigantic monster men. Or maybe they like double teaming some tiny little thing.

[Gottmik]

So hot.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I mean, this is. He makes RuPaul look like you. This looks like you and Violet next.

[Gottmik]

To each other, literally. This man is a dance floor.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I know. At the Palladium the pyramid. It was the pyramid. On the dance.

[Gottmik]

For the pyramid, we just start making things up. I know, literally at Studio 51.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

So I don't know. So, I mean, obviously at some point, RuPaul was into gigantic monster men. That is. That is clear. But in terms of drag, I think that she likes the queens who are. I don't know what it is, because her.

[Gottmik]

Her.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Her Lawrence Chaney obsession is like next level, right?

[Gottmik]

Maybe she just likes the name Lawrence Cheney.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I mean, she loves the. She loves. That's Lawrence's real name.

[Gottmik]

Really?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Her real name is Lawrence Chaney?

[Gottmik]

That's crazy.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I mean, it's a man's name. You think she chose Lawrence Cheney because it was cunty? It's not like Manuela Dupree.

[Gottmik]

I know she's using anything because it's.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Country, but her body is tea. Her padding and her body.

[Gottmik]

She's amazing at drag. Like, it's so good.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Yeah, she's. I think she's so sickening.

[Gottmik]

So sickening.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

We're like a blue hydrangea. I think she's so good.

[Gottmik]

Oh, my God. Yeah, I think I was. We followed each other before Drag Race, like, for makeup. Makeup girls.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I've been recently looking at her. Her fucking. She's like, documenting her outfits that she's making online lately. And she made, like this Pride outfit and she's like, I was an art school kid who dropped out of art school to pursue drag. And I'm like, oh, I can see because you're in our school. But, you know, you. And you went for, like, product development. Where'd you go?

[Gottmik]

Yeah, I went to fit them for, like. I was like, I'm going to fit them. Yeah. The Fashion Institute of Design and Merchandising.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Oh, my God, You. Are you the West Coast Aquari?

[Gottmik]

Yes, Literally.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Wow. Gaga. That's the outfit she made. She did, like, a step by step recreation of this. Like, showed how she made this entire fit.

[Gottmik]

Out of what, gummy bears, denim, and.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Like, gym beads or something? I don't know. It was a really cool.

[Gottmik]

She's, like, really fab at makeup, too.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Wait, so, yeah, you are low key. The West Coast Aquaria.

[Gottmik]

Yeah. It's a weird way to put it.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

How do you know? Well, like, fashion school kids and, like, were you sneaking into the clubs, too?

[Gottmik]

Oh, my God, yeah. Here in la, I'm like, you are Western violence crazy. Yeah. I was like, how old is Aquaria?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Google Aquarius age.

[Gottmik]

I think she's like, dare I say older than me?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Do you think so? How Old are you?

[Gottmik]

I literally just turned 29, like, last week.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Aquarius. Not 30. Okay, how old are you?

[Gottmik]

What's your guess?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Okay, I met Aquaria One Drag Race. She was 21 years old. She was on season 10. That was seven years ago. Aquarius. 27.

[Gottmik]

28, I guess she's 30.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Oh, you're the same age.

[Gottmik]

29.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

You're the same age. Well, you're 30.

[Gottmik]

No, I'm 29.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Oh, my God. You're literally the same age. You are the. You're West Coast Aquarius. I cannot believe that this is never. It's not. It's just now clocking to me that you're standing on business.

[Gottmik]

Oh, my God, that's crazy. By being the west coast aquarium.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

So.

[Gottmik]

So.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Okay, can we address some of the. The Gottmik rumors, please? So the girl. The streets are saying. The streets are saying that you are, like, a rich kid who.

[Gottmik]

Right.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Who got on Drag Race with all your. With all your rich daddy money.

[Gottmik]

Yeah. That's so weird to me.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Is that. Is that. Is that. Is that not the tea?

[Gottmik]

Literally? No. At all. I don't. I mean, I guess I could, like, see where that, like, came from.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Were you comfortable growing up?

[Gottmik]

Yeah, no, for sure. Like, definitely comfortable, but I was definitely not rich at all.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Because everyone believes you were, like, the rich girl. Like, they were like, you are the. They were like. No, this is like the. Like, like the. The heir to the. To the throne.

[Gottmik]

Literally, like a Dubai princess. No. Yeah, the. It's crazy.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

She is the Dubai chocolate bar.

[Gottmik]

L. Like, it's super weird. I don't know. My. Literally, my dad was, like, driving Uber, and my mom works at, like, Target. Like, it's like.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Oh, really?

[Gottmik]

Yeah, it's like, not giving that. I don't know where that came from, but I think it was just because my outfits were, like, really?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

They were. I mean, your. Your package was obviously very expensive for season 13 finale.

[Gottmik]

Right? Going into debt, honey. That was for sure a debt.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Sick. Well, you were working a lot, too.

[Gottmik]

Yeah, well, I was like, literally. Yeah, girl. I was not rich. I was literally living in someone's living room in downtown la. Spencer Nemet, who runs the. Wow. Social media in the living room.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Also, you knew someone at wow. Whoa. The inside Te.

[Gottmik]

Whoa. Actually crazy. When I auditioned for season 13, the.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

One who's always got that. The phone at the thing.

[Gottmik]

Yeah.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

And, like, dresses, like, really bright colors and stuff.

[Gottmik]

Yes. I was living in his living room in downtown. Just, like, poor as hell. Working at Fashion Nova every single day. Working at Gas. I was doing the makeup for, like, E. Com. That was like, how I made, like, consistent money every single morning, like 4:00am Just, like, beating those girls in drag. And then I would do, like, they'd be like, can you do hair? I'd be like, of course.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Could you?

[Gottmik]

No. I'd be like, on the. I would tell everyone I could do anything. They're like, can you do this crazy special effects? I'd be like, duh.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Absolutely.

[Gottmik]

And then I'd be in the uber, like, watching YouTube tutorials, being like, your dad's driving Uber. No. Even sometimes. No, literally. And my, like, when I would start doing celebrities, I literally would, like, look up the celebrity. Like, makeup tutorials. Like, Paris would be like, I'm getting ready today. Like, getting. Getting Cindy Crawford. Right? To be like, okay, so she likes her eyebrows like that, like, in the Uber.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

So you scammed your way to the top.

[Gottmik]

Yes. Hustle.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

You did. Okay, so didn't you, like, do unlike. Didn't Heidi Klum have a drag race?

[Gottmik]

Yes. Yeah.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Heidi Klum's drag race.

[Gottmik]

That's how we met.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

And didn't you paint her there?

[Gottmik]

Yes.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Tell me about this. This deep, deep Cade lore.

[Gottmik]

Deep K lore. Yeah. I mean, that I was just. I mean, basically I was going to school to be a fashion designer, and then I was doing makeup on myself and just posting on Instagram and then somehow got to, like, work doors at clubs underage, which was, like, insane. And I would be like, fully at one oak, like, crazy. And then in, like, drag. Wild. And then I was posting, and then people would see me posting. It was kind of like, very lucky timing with it because Instagram was very, like, drag wasn't really crazy on there yet. This was just crazy to people that was posting this. So I gained, like, kind of a following through it. And then celebrities were like, we need you to put Paris Hilton in pearls. Drag. I'd be like, amazing. And at the time, drag queens weren't getting magazine covers and stuff, so I was like the first person. But, like, Alaska and drag on a magazine cover.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Plastic, right?

[Gottmik]

Yes, you do.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

That yellow shoe.

[Gottmik]

I did, like, all of them for that. Thank you so much. And like, all these magazines and then.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

And you did for that one shoot with the disco ball looking thing.

[Gottmik]

Oh, yes, yes. Yeah. No, I painted, like, a lot of the girls. Never. Never. I know.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Well, let's take a break and we'll talk about why you never painted me in a.

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[Bob the Drag Queen]

Terms apply. Okay. Welcome back to Are we no Gorge? Are we. Are we no rivalry? Are we sibling gorge? Because they have to be the other one. What do you want to be?

[Gottmik]

What? That's a good one.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I'm going to say this is no rivalry because we're getting along really well.

[Gottmik]

That, like, sounds, but. Oh, yeah, that's cute.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Yeah. So welcome back to no Rivalry. We are here with Gottmik, who is. Has some new music out. Holy Disco and Riot. Why it's called Holy Disco.

[Gottmik]

It just flowed out of us, baby. It's like a. It's like a religious undertone theme, and then it just became a disco.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Did you grow up religious?

[Gottmik]

Extremely, yeah.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

What?

[Gottmik]

Yes.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

What was your religion?

[Gottmik]

Catholic school. My whole life down. Did you get baptized in the Lutheran church? Yes.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Is it just a drop of water or did you get, like, Eureka dunked?

[Gottmik]

No, didn't get Eureka dunked. I would.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Sorry. I'm sorry.

[Gottmik]

No, just a little drop of water.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Oh. Because I'm Baptist. I grew up Baptist. They dunk you?

[Gottmik]

Oh, yeah.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Like, that. You. They put you in, like. In, like. In, like, a whirlpool, basically. Like. Like a. Like a. Like a hot tub. And then they. They dunk you in front of the congregation. You get, like, fully. I never understood this drop. That's not baptism. That's.

[Gottmik]

There's, like, Jacuzzi jets.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Yeah, no, literally, I was. You go into the Jacuzzi and you get dunked in front of the congregation.

[Gottmik]

Like, literally. Eureka dunked.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

No, I literally got Eureka dunked. You. I've been.

[Gottmik]

I did it first.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I did it first. No, like, two or three times. I got Eureka dunked.

[Gottmik]

What? Why?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Because I was like, did it work? I'm still gay. I'm stuck. I don't think it worked. So I'm gonna. I gotta do it again. Cause, like, obviously it didn't take.

[Gottmik]

Oh, my God. Really? That's. What.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Yeah, I was like, it didn't take.

[Gottmik]

Let's try this one more time.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Maybe I dry it off too quick or something. I don't know. I need to be covered in the lamb, in the blood of the lamb. So I got baptized once in middle school and twice in high school.

[Gottmik]

Okay.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Yeah.

[Gottmik]

So that was, like, a parental force or you were like, I need it again.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I went to church by myself. My family wasn't even going. I went to church Alone. Cuz they used to, they used to come to our neighborhood and prophesize.

[Gottmik]

Oh, and you're like, sign me up.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Yeah, we be playing basketball. They like go to like the, the neighborhood and it's always we go by the basketball court. Which sounds much more bush than it is. I didn't need y' all to know, like, I, I, I was not playing basketball. Cause I was like, I gotta be in the. I got a ball. But I was like, that's what we do in my neighborhood, we play basketball. So I'm playing. And I was actually pretty good at it. I mean, that's not shocking. I'm six' two. I look like I used to play basketball. I don't, I don't. Like, I still do.

[Gottmik]

I look like a former basketball player.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I look like I could have gone pro.

[Gottmik]

Right.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

You know what I mean? And anyway, so. And then I obviously got into theater and I don't know, somehow the drag, the, it didn't take. So three times and it didn't take. I assume I'm not fit for that kind of lifestyle.

[Gottmik]

We could try one more time. But you, but you maybe.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I don't think she's at the level to be baptizing people yet.

[Gottmik]

I mean, you never know with her.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

One of my favorite comments under that post is to say Eureka's always on some side quest.

[Gottmik]

I loved that one.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Side quest is crazy. I was like, this is so true. That is always on some random side quests. Doing some. So you, I read as you invited on tour in like Austin, Texas.

[Gottmik]

We are going to Austin. We're going like everywhere.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Do you remember when I ran into y' all in Austin, Texas?

[Gottmik]

Oh, yeah. And I had my arm broken.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

No, your arm was broken when I ran into you at the, at the, at the Hilton.

[Gottmik]

Oh, I was arm wrestling.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Yes.

[Gottmik]

With my left arm at like an extremely nice and trans day of visibility. First red flag.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

But on the plus side, it was a trans person who broke your arm. So. Yeah, you felt visible that day.

[Gottmik]

Yeah, I guess. Visibly hating the trans community at that point. I blamed the whole community for that one. Literally. I got the extra. I was like, I'm detransitioning. I'm over.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Build a wall around WeHo. No, I, I ran into, I ran into Mick at the thing and Mick is dressed like a beekeeper. Do you remember this?

[Gottmik]

Oh my God.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

So I'm at the GLAAD Awards. I was hosting the GLAAD Awards and I see this beekeeper walk up to me, think Gothic Lady Gaga in Telephone. And I'm like, hey, girl. And she's like, it's me. And I was like, oh, Mick, it's me. I was like, oh, Mick, what's up? And then, like, this giant cast come up, and I'm like, girl, what's going on? She's like, I broke my arm. And I was like, doing what? She's like, arm wrestling. And I was like. And I remember being like, I was on the way to, like, the reception, and I was like, oh, should we walk together? And then we ended up kind of like, cutting up a little bit for the night. But I remember you. Yeah, you in this little. In this gothic beekeeper.

[Gottmik]

Okay, I will speak on that.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Can we make sure that it's visible here on screen?

[Gottmik]

I'm literally laughing so hard I can't even speak the. So I broke my arm. And this was like, the, like, beginning of my crazy depression phase because I was so crazy. I was like, this is the end of my life. My arm breaking. Like, I will never work again in the industry. Like, I don't know why. And they. They didn't even put a cast on me. They just, like, wrapped it and it was, like, snapped in half. So it was just, like, hanging off. And I was like, I still have to make it to the GLAD Awards, of course.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Thanks, Psychotic.

[Gottmik]

Like, I couldn't not go to the GLAD Awards for some reason.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Why didn't your rich mom who works at Target just fix it for you?

[Gottmik]

You're. I mean, I'm sure the people in the comments will let you know why.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

They don't sell cast at Target. My God.

[Gottmik]

Literally. But. And I pulled. It was like. Also my error was like, I need stylists. And. And they pulled all these amazing, like, archival Versace gowns and, like, amazing things for me. And I could not. It was just, like, hanging off. So I couldn't get into any dress. Like, it was impossible. I'm not wearing. No, it's hilarious. And I was pissed. And I was like, what do I do? And I was like, okay, if I wear, like, lingerie, it'll look like I don't have my arm broken. Like, it'll just look like stuff going on.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Giant sling across your chest with an A on it is. Oh, no. That the watermark? This is like, giant sling. Like, they'll never know you're wearing. No, you look like robocop.

[Gottmik]

I was like, no one will know.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

And I like, you're also telling everyone.

[Gottmik]

And I also had that hat.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

This was a cut off.

[Gottmik]

So I was like, no, One will ever know. I broke my arm and.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Yeah, but then I ran into you, and in Austin, Texas, and this one. Y' all were on your last tour.

[Gottmik]

Oh, yeah.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

That's when I ran into you.

[Gottmik]

Yeah.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

And then this happens to me all the time, by the way. And I'm telling you guys, I'm telling you, it's not something I'm doing. I'm telling you, it's not something I'm doing. People always challenge me to arm wrestling.

[Gottmik]

Oh, I saw you do it the other day, and I was pissed. I was like, girl, you, like, don't arm wrestle. Don't do that.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

So there was this guy, that Asian guy that hangs out with y'. All. Or maybe he used to. I don't know if he still does.

[Gottmik]

I wonder who he was.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Like, one of your assistants. He's like a. Like a kind of buff Asian guy.

[Gottmik]

Oh, Mark.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Mark. So we're. So we're sitting down at this, like, outside of this, like, bar, club thing, right? And we're at this. We're at the food court, so we're, like, eating, like, hot dogs or something. It's like. It's like there's, like, a food truck right outside of this club. And we're all sitting there because we were all inside, but now we're outside. And then somehow, Mark, we talk about your arm breaking, and then somehow. I don't know how this ends up happening, but Mark is like, less arm wrestle. And I was like, well, I feel like arm wrestling is dangerous. And then he was like, no, we should. We should arm wrestle. And then I ended up fucking arm wrestling your friend. Mark.

[Gottmik]

Did you win?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I did win.

[Gottmik]

Okay. Yeah. He's, like, little. Yeah.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I took him down and he challenged me. I was like, why you watch that before?

[Gottmik]

He's like, I got this, everyone.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

But what's. What's. What's. What's this tour about? The Knockout tour.

[Gottmik]

This tour. I mean, it all kind of just started because, I mean, me and Violet fight a lot in a way.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

You don't say. Yeah, well, taking me. Money's branding.

[Gottmik]

Yeah.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Get your own thing.

[Gottmik]

We have this, like, I don't know, sibling rivalry. I don't know how to call it something like that, literally. And. But it's like, she has this, like, classic burlesque vibe, and I have this, like, rock, like, psycho vibe. And so. But we always kind of end up in this, like, leather fetishy vibe, even though it's different. And I was like, it'd be really cool to do this, like, tour Theme where it's like rock versus glam and then it's just kind of like battling it out.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Oh, nice.

[Gottmik]

On the stage. Yeah. And our first tour was like. We were going to bars and it was like a really fun, like bar tour. And then this one's like we're doing theaters, so it's more like production we're giving and we're going like. It's just very on brand press. We're just going psychotic.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I went to go see. I didn't get to see Yalls tour because I was on tour the time, but I did go see Violet's a lot more Me tour.

[Gottmik]

Oh yeah, I saw you.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Yeah. Yeah, we ran into each other. Yeah. At the Orpheum or somewhere downtown. Yeah, that was. That was a really, really fun tour. And I. I've obviously toured by. I would love to tour with you. You and I have.

[Gottmik]

That'd be fun.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I don't think we've ever worked together.

[Gottmik]

I know. Isn't that weird?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

There is. I have a picture somewhere in this office of me and you getting our caricature done at Hot Dog.

[Gottmik]

Love that. Love that photo.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Do you remember that?

[Gottmik]

I do, of course.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

And I. I cannot find it. If I find it. This is the picture I have.

[Gottmik]

I have the photo of us holding it.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Yeah, it's so. And I remember. And I remember saying. Because I. I had just like rented this space and being like, I'm gonna frame this. It's gonna be one of the first things I put up in the space.

[Gottmik]

And you're like, I accidentally threw it out though, instead.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

No, it's not thrown out. I just don't know where it is. Cause you know, life has been happening and all that and stuff and the other. But it's a really. It's a really fucking fun. Cause we have. You and I, when we get together, we cut up.

[Gottmik]

No. Cut up. I love hanging out with you and it would be so fun to work with you.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Well, one time. Last time we were hanging out was I think at a hot dog. And Violet was so emotional that night. I don't know if I'm allowed to say really. So. Yeah. Violet. So Violet, like, it was me. So you were that I invited you to the comedy show. That was kind of bad.

[Gottmik]

Oh yeah. I loved that it was bad though. We were like laughing so hard because of how bad it was. It was just everything to me. And I also love that night because we also went to karaoke that night.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Yes.

[Gottmik]

And the like. What do you call it? The karaoke? Like Gamekeeper.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Like, karaoke host.

[Gottmik]

Yeah. Hated you.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Oh, couldn't. Oh, my God. That's the night we fight.

[Gottmik]

It had it out for you.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Yeah. And then my friend Pink Fox. You know Pink Fox?

[Gottmik]

Yeah.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

So I have two friends who are a little combative. Pink Fox and my friend and my friend Darrell. So Darrell's a dancer and Pink Fox is a comedian. And they were like, why is the. Why is the host not calling your music up? And then the host is like, what are you, like, famous or something? And I was like, I. I. I didn't walk up and say, I'm famous. But someone else was like, bob is famous. But I didn't walk up and go, hey, I'm famous.

[Gottmik]

I was like, may I please put a request in? And she's like, get the out of here, fam. Like, spinning.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Literally.

[Gottmik]

It was crazy. And then, so we were going.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Pink went over and, like, started picking a fight. Oh, yeah, yeah. So Pink and Darrell went over and were like, let our friend sing, Carrie. Like, there were people going, like, four and five times, literally.

[Gottmik]

And Bob and I were gonna perform an iconic medley of Defying Gravity.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Yes, we were.

[Gottmik]

But it was absolutely so crazy how much that this person hated you that I was like, I can't do this.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Yeah.

[Gottmik]

Like, we ended up leaving.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

We ended up leaving because. Because they would not fucking play my. They would not put me up because I don't know what their fucking problem was. They didn't even know who I was. I could get it if you, like, knew who I was and you had it out against me for something I've said, but you have no clue who I am. You're like, you're not fucking famous. And I'm like, I never said I was famous. I just said. Can I put it? Like, literally, that was what it was.

[Gottmik]

Oh, my God.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

But anyway, back to the other time that we hung out. Okay? So we were hanging out, and I went to go meet you guys because do you remember there's a picture of us.

[Gottmik]

Oh, my gosh. How did you find that so fast?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Jacob's a son sleuth. So we were. It started I met you and Violet at this party, that outdoor party downtown.

[Gottmik]

Okay.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Like, I believe that one of you invited me. One of you was like, hey, come.

[Gottmik]

Oh, yeah, Summer Tramp.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Yeah, Summer. I think it was you who invited me. Or maybe, but I can't remember. So I came down, but I didn't realize that y' all were, like, on the stage dancing. I was like, oh, I was not dressed for this or Prepared. Of course they're in, like, their designer.

[Gottmik]

No.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Yeah. Like, what are these shoes? What are these shoes?

[Gottmik]

It was probably. These are both. This is a brand called. It's random.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

What is. What's it called with. Oh, both. I thought you. I thought you, like, these shoes are both. I was like, yeah, I hope they're the same.

[Gottmik]

These are both shoes.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

They're both Balenciaga. Yeah, of course they would both be Balenciaga. So they're on stage, like, dancing. And I was like, oh, I don't want to be on stage. I thought we were going to be in the audience and, like, in the crowd. And, like, Violet and Mick are, like, on stage, like, being, like, contilicious divas. And I was like, okay, this is crazy. So then we moved to the next place. And then. I believe you rode with me or Violet. One of you rode with me, and the other one rode with someone else. So I drove. It was. I drove Violet. Because then Violet started getting emotional.

[Gottmik]

Oh, I didn't even know. I don't think.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

She was like. She was like, they don't wanna hang out with me.

[Gottmik]

I don't fucking.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Because we went. Because we went to. We went to fubar, I want to say. And then you guys started. You walked from FUBAR to El Cid to get to Hot Dog Classic, or.

[Gottmik]

Or.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Or vice versa.

[Gottmik]

Yeah.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

And then me and Violet were, like, looking for parking, and me and Violet were, like, walking around trying to get up to the. To the spot. But then we. By the time we got to fubar, y' all had gone to El Cid. And Violet was like, they're avoiding me. And I was like, I don't think that's what it is.

[Gottmik]

You're like. And then you start getting in your head in silence. You're like, are they avoiding me, too?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I was like, no, I think that this bar just wasn't fun. So they just went to Hot Dog. Like, I don't. I don't think they're avoiding you. She was like, they're avoiding me. They're avoiding me. Then I was like, are they. Are they. I was like, wait, are they avoiding us? No.

[Gottmik]

That's what I'm saying. She's like a little angel inside. She's like, does.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

But she was so hurt. Aw.

[Gottmik]

We were just trying to have a good time.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

But then we reconvened at the party. And then, like, they love me. They're obsessed with me. Oh, my God. They won't leave me alone. Leave me alone.

[Gottmik]

Yeah.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

They're literally obsessed with me. We'll be right back on October 17th.

[Gottmik]

I'm an angel.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

See the wings. Don't miss the new comedy Good Fortune, starring Seth Rogan, Aiz Ansari and Keanu Reeves. Critics rave. It's Evan sent me.

[Gottmik]

Have a budget. Guardian angel kinda.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

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[Gottmik]

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[Bob the Drag Queen]

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[Gottmik]

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[Bob the Drag Queen]

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[Gottmik]

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[Bob the Drag Queen]

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[Gottmik]

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[Bob the Drag Queen]

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[Gottmik]

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[Bob the Drag Queen]

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[Gottmik]

No, I mean I like. I'm fine with it.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

But you're. But you're. You're not a hater?

[Gottmik]

No, I definitely see it and understand the type of person you are. More though I'm a hello boo boo judger apparently.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Well, what kind of person are you? I'm going to show you something and I want you to give me your. I want to give you your feedback. Your feedback.

[Gottmik]

Okay.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Are you grabbing the one I'm gonna show?

[Gottmik]

I'm gonna dress like you.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

What feeling? What feeling does this spark in you? Can you hold it up so that the camera.

[Gottmik]

It's a Labubu in a knockoff Dior dress.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Knockoff? What makes you think this is a knockoff? You don't think I could afford real Dior?

[Gottmik]

Not with this studio overhead.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

We have their front facing lights. How dare you. I've seen where you all film no gourd. You should be so lucky.

[Gottmik]

That is so funny.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Yeah. What is she? What is she? What? What. What feeling does she evoke in you?

[Gottmik]

I love her. I love the bob.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

You would never wear a Labu. What if it. What if it kind of had your vibe. What if it had, like, a white face?

[Gottmik]

Well, Marco Monroe actually does make custom. Have you seen his custom?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Yeah, they're amazing.

[Gottmik]

They're so good. And he does do little spooky divas sometimes where he, like, draws and the eyes, like, all scary.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

And you're kind of into it, see?

[Gottmik]

Yeah, but I really just don't, like. At first when it came out, I was like, oh, it's like, a rare thing. And they're, like, hard to get. But now I'm like, oh, you just buy it.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

So it's not very hard to get. It's hard to get the one you want because you can't just order. You can't just order the labo. You want that?

[Gottmik]

Do you see? He made one for Gaga, and Gaga always has it turned around. I'm like, turn it around. That's.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Oh, she doesn't know how to make the labo. Face forward. Is that Marco Monroe's?

[Gottmik]

Yeah.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

How did he get to Gaga?

[Gottmik]

He gave it to her at her concert.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

He's handed it to her? Yeah, like, from the audience.

[Gottmik]

They went backstage over, like, here.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Oh, he's friends with Lady Gaga?

[Gottmik]

Yeah. Well, yeah.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

How?

[Gottmik]

I mean, we all just went backstage.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

You just hanging out Lady Gaga?

[Gottmik]

No, you just go. What do you mean?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

You just go clear it up.

[Gottmik]

My friend Hunter was styling her. My friend Hunter likes to hunt.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I know Hunter. Yeah, we're from Atlanta.

[Gottmik]

Oh, really?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Okay, so let me tell you a Hunter story. True story.

[Gottmik]

Okay.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Years ago, I was riding the train home in New York City, and this tiny twink walked up to me. I was in drag, and he was like, do you need someone to walk you home? Are you safe? And I looked at him and I was like, nigga, are you safe? Who's gonna walk you home?

[Gottmik]

You are a twink, too.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I mean, at the time, I was still bigger than him. I was like, who's gonna walk you home?

[Gottmik]

Battle of the Twinks.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

And he was like, well, you're in drag, and I just want you to make sure you get home safely. And I was like, well, let's just walk together. And then that was. That's Hunter. Years later, I find out that he is. So I was his first ever commission, really. He did the outfits for Monet X Change's Soak it up music video for the backup dancers.

[Gottmik]

Oh, my God.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

These green and yellow split leotards that he made for that competition years ago. I mean, that music video years ago. That was the first time he'd ever been commissioned to make anything for anyone. We're talking about the same person, right?

[Gottmik]

I don't think so.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Wait, Ramslam.

[Gottmik]

Oh, no, that's William. I was, like, discovering so much Hunter lore. I was like, whoa, who the is Hunter?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Because William did the outfits for. For the outfits for this.

[Gottmik]

Oh, yes. He, like.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

He did, like, a lot of the outfits.

[Gottmik]

Yes.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Why did I think his name was Hunter? He also got, like, four names.

[Gottmik]

Yeah, I call him Ramslam, too.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Yeah, because, you know. You know.

[Gottmik]

Yeah.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

The girls who know her know her.

[Gottmik]

The girls who don't ram slammed.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

So anyway, me and Hunt. Me and William.

[Gottmik]

Oh, that makes sense. That one.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Yeah.

[Gottmik]

Seems like she would walk a drag queen home.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Anyway, so. So wait, so you just went backstage and you, like, hanging out with you? Did you see her?

[Gottmik]

I. The night I went, she, like, never came out back. She was, like, in her dressing room, and I was like, can I tell.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

You a true story?

[Gottmik]

Yeah.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

So you did the Madonna tour with me one night?

[Gottmik]

Yeah.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

We were like. Because I like a lot of the drag queens. Madonna be like, what do you think of this queen? Like, should she come? Should she do things? Yeah, I love Mick. Everyone loves Mick. Mick is great. And then when you were.

[Gottmik]

What happened?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Madonna was like, what's with her face?

[Gottmik]

She's like, that skin tone.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Like, why is she so white? Can she just do a regular face? And I was like, no, that's kind of her thing. I was like, that's her thing. She like, she does the white face, and she's like, it's just so white. Like, why can't she just like, I never told you this story. No, she was like, what's with her face? Like, why is she so pale? And I was like, no, it's like her thing.

[Gottmik]

Like, I mix mashed my foundation that bad.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I was like, she's not really pale, but it's her thing. I was like, em, it's her thing. She just does the. It's iconic. Trust me, it's iconic. Everyone loves it. Everyone knows her for this face. It's like, a thing.

[Gottmik]

All my comments that are like, she does the same makeup as all Madonna. She's like, she always does the same makeup from all her secret accounts.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

But it was. I just remember after we, like, had a sound check, she's like, what's with her face? And I was like, it's her thing. It's her thing. And she's like, like, no. Okay, if you say everyone likes it, then I guess we'll. We'll let her do it in Reality.

[Gottmik]

All the comments are like, change our makeup.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

But you were. You were this close to being like, I don't want her. Because she was like, I don't know about this face thing. I never told you that she said that.

[Gottmik]

No, but it also makes that. There was one time I was going to do something else with Madonna right before they were like.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Because of the face.

[Gottmik]

Yeah. I hate said, apparently. I mean, it makes sense because I was like, literally the last time, too, but randomly, I showed up without the white face.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Oh, that's so funny. I don't think she hates, but I think. I don't think she gets it. Yeah, she's like, what the fuck is up with a fucking pale bitch?

[Gottmik]

If there's anything to get.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

She also kind of doesn't like, like, paleness. And, you know, you notice there was, like, one white dancer, right?

[Gottmik]

I mean, who really does?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

So. So she was like, it's just all the whiteness, right?

[Gottmik]

It's bothering me, like, oh, my God. Blind.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Which I'm kind of. I'm just kind of obsessed with that story that is. That really takes me out.

[Gottmik]

No, it's hilarious.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I have a lot of stories from a lot of the Queensland. Who did this? Who did the. Cause you did it. One Queen did, like. I think Sapphira did it, like, two or three times. Cracker did it twice in Seattle. Monet did it. Trixie did it. Plastique. Tiara did it.

[Gottmik]

Violet did it.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Violet. Aquaria. Aquaria was the first one to do it.

[Gottmik]

Oh, really?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Aquaria was the first rude girl to do it. She did it in Europe. And everyone kept. Everyone thought that I was booking y'.

[Gottmik]

All. Oh, of course. No, I did it one time and I was getting, like, girl, like, rude girls being like, how do I get in there? I'm like, I don't know.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Like, everyone will be like, bob, I know you booked Aquaria. I'm like, I do not work in hr. On the Madonna tour. I am staffed.

[Gottmik]

We know.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

We know you're doing it, so just get me up there. Oh, Monet. Miss Cracker. Your close friends.

[Gottmik]

Oh, right.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Oh, all the New York girlies. Wow. And I'm like, guys, I swear to God, I'm not doing it. And I will say I did have a little bit of say. Now that the tour is over, I can say I had the tours over.

[Gottmik]

I will say I was booking.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I did have. I had influence, right? I had influence, but I did not have. I. Obviously, Madonna has the final say, right? I never had the final say. She approved. Everyone yeah, but I would, like, there are times where I would be like, have you thought about this girl? And she liked the queens because when she would get the other celebrities, they just wouldn't bring the looks, right? Like, like, they would bring, like, they would literally be up there in, like, like, both and. I'm kidding. No, they literally be up there in, like, in, like, Crocs and, like, cut off shorts and, like, especially I'm like, girl. If you ask a straight guy to come, a straight cisgender, heterosexual male. Man, man, he, him. I don't do pronouns. What do you think you're going to get?

[Gottmik]

100%? No, I always think about that. I'm like, can you imagine being like a famous straight guy that, like, you just. Just wake up and you, like, put on your jeans and T shirt and then go perform for stadiums, like, sold out, and you're just like, in jeans. You're, like, woke up 20 minutes ago, like, time to do the game, which I hate.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Whenever.

[Gottmik]

That's crazy.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Oh. Whenever I go to a comedy club and I do some comedy and then, like, there's someone else there who, like, literally has, like, eye boogers and coke on their nose and, like, just crushed a Red Bull can on their forehead and went and did the show and then hopped in their Prius and drove away. I'm like, this is so annoying.

[Gottmik]

Started a podcast with that person.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

But also, we chose this lie. You ever think to yourself, like, I didn't have to be a drag queen.

[Gottmik]

Did you start doing drag because you, like, love drag or did you start, like, I need to get in the comedy space?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

No, no, no, no. I was already doing well. I was writing comedy, but I hadn't performed it yet. But I. I watched season one of Drag Race. I fell in love with it. I was like, this is so fun. I started going out in the New York City nightlife scene and I just felt I still. I am still deeply, deeply in love with drag. Like, I absolutely love dressing up, being camp, over the top. You know, it's just. It's just so. It's just so fun. I just. Now I've been doing it for so long. Like, how is. What. When are you, like, an old ass drag queen? Like, at what point are you, like, you're old. You're an old Queen. Is it 20 years?

[Gottmik]

I don't know if it's like, even. I think it's a vibe. Vibe?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Is it a vibe?

[Gottmik]

Yeah. No.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Okay.

[Gottmik]

I actually think you have opposite. Like, I think you can tell that you love drag.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Yeah. I really love it. I've been doing drag since 2008. 17 years now.

[Gottmik]

Yeah.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Yeah. Roughly.

[Gottmik]

Totally.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

So, Yes. I mean, crazy so.

[Gottmik]

But I mean, like, sixth grade.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

That's. That was crazy. That was crazy. Do you think RuPaul has the old vibe? The old queen vibe? I think she likes it still, actually.

[Gottmik]

Yeah, I think she likes it, too.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Yeah.

[Gottmik]

She, like, cracks me up that she's hilarious.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I gotta be honest. Yalls friendship I'm very jealous of. And I know you probably don't even talk to her at all, but there was a moment where, like, you went to. You went to the Emmys.

[Gottmik]

Yeah.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

At the table.

[Gottmik]

No, we, like, got along.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Doing Snapchat filters.

[Gottmik]

Yeah. Whoa. So. Well, it's like, my favorite.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Did you just hold your phone up? And she was like, like, yes.

[Gottmik]

And she's like, let's FaceTime my husband. I'm like, yep. Like, grabbing her phone, being like, what's up? Like, looking at my outfit. Like, we just.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I feel like if I raise my phone, a sniper would take me out. If RuPaul was there, and I was.

[Gottmik]

Like, I'd be like, it seems like that for sure. Putting her in, like, a Mr. T filter out of the Emmys.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Like, literally, if that was me, Fenton would be like, got her. My sights just tell me, take the shot. Shot. Somebody take a shot.

[Gottmik]

No. I don't know. Our vibes just are very funny. Like, we have the same, like, humor. And, like, even I think whoever was at the Emmys with us that specific day, I think VH1 or someone was like, I've never seen her laugh like this. It's like knee slapping. I'm like, I get her. It's like, I get it. And I drive the knife home. Yeah. I love it.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

You know, I think you have a real. I would love to see you interact with more Candy Muse. I love watching y' all together. And also, can I just say this right now? I don't feel like anyone's really having this conversation, and I know how you and Violet feel about my opinion on fashion.

[Gottmik]

Not allowed.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

You've made it clear. But that being said, I think that candy is so fucking fashionable.

[Gottmik]

Yes.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Like, I think candies, and I feel like no one is having that conversation.

[Gottmik]

They don't. Across the board for. I think she has, like, one of the best, like, makeup skills in the.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

All Drag Race, and her outer drag fashion eats, too.

[Gottmik]

This one.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Okay. Candy has had some. I will say this, though. When you are. I think in my opinion, when you are super fashionable, your. Your. Your Misses will be as big as your hits.

[Gottmik]

Cut to my beekeeper look.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Cut to the beekeeper. Cut to your. Your bag look that you won with.

[Gottmik]

I stand by that. I don't care.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

You. Everyone else is wrong.

[Gottmik]

No, literally, it's this gorge. Amelia rapid. I'M like, so obsessed with it. And I'm like. To this day, it's like my psychosis where I'm like. Like, I guess over competent. I don't know what you call it, like, God complex that, like, people are like, wow, that's a piece of. I'm like, you guys just don't.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

You guys. Sometimes everyone's wrong.

[Gottmik]

Yeah, I'm like, that's. I mean, like, now I can just tell who doesn't get it.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

But you're obviously very stylistically inclined like that. Was it the van Gogh?

[Gottmik]

Oh, oh, the stone.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Yeah, look, it's Van Gogh, right? Oh, Edward Monk. Isn't that the scream? Yeah, Edward Monk made that. What if. Who did the scream ever? Monk.

[Gottmik]

Okay.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Who'd you think did it? What does Van Gogh do? The ear.

[Gottmik]

Yeah, he cut his earry Night.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Starry night. Who did the melted clocks?

[Gottmik]

That was Dolly.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Dolly got it. Anyway, it's a stunt. Like, obviously, you're very. I want. Now I want you to. I want you. Jacob, pull up some images of me. I want you to. I want you to take some. No, no. I want you to find some compliments.

[Gottmik]

Oh. Oh, okay.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Just kidding.

[Gottmik]

Wait. How colorblind are you?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Oh, the studio is cracking up over here.

[Gottmik]

Studio audience of Bob's boyfriends.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I have red, green. Okay, I'm gonna look up here and tell you what I see. Okay.

[Gottmik]

Oh, my God. Perfect.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

It's a 12.

[Gottmik]

Huh?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

It's. I think it's an 8.

[Gottmik]

Yeah.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Or an S. No, it's a 6. It's a really hard to see 6. 6. It's a 10. It's wander.

[Gottmik]

Stray a little bit. By the time.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

It's nothing. Oh, maybe. Maybe a 27. It's a 3. It's a 3. 15. 71 or 74.

[Gottmik]

This is where it gets into pictures of animals.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

There's nothing. You're lying. There's nothing. The bottom left is a six. The next one is literally nothing. This One is a 5, this one is a 4, and the next one is a 45.

[Gottmik]

Wait, is it because, like, you.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

How many of those are right?

[Gottmik]

Maybe two. I don't know.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

You let me.

[Gottmik]

Every single one where you said there was nothing, there was something.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Oh, and did I get the numbers wrong? Yes. Oh, yeah. It's hard. Yeah. So I. It's called red Green deficiency.

[Gottmik]

Oh. It's only one.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

So I can't see shades.

[Gottmik]

Christmas is scary for you.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

It spooks me out.

[Gottmik]

What happens.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Also, can you tell everyone what color that room is?

[Gottmik]

Red.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

And the couches?

[Gottmik]

Green.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Yeah. Which I can't see anything. Oh, the room is invisible.

[Gottmik]

Like, oh, Christmas theme. You're like, what?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Oh, my God.

[Gottmik]

Wait, so it's not like you see black and gray, though?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

No, no, it's not grayscale.

[Gottmik]

It's just like. Is it because your brain can't, like, comprehend the colors or you see a different color? Well, I, like, don't get it. It's like, I know.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I can't tell because I'm seeing red. I know those bookshelves are red, but I think to you that red looks different than it looks to me. And I know that couch is green.

[Gottmik]

But you see the other colors.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Yeah, I see. Yeah. Like. Like, these are yellow.

[Gottmik]

Right.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Your pants are gray.

[Gottmik]

But do you just see it? I don't. But you, like, see it.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I think I see it, but apparently I'm seeing something that y' all aren't seeing. Or. Or certain things look the same to me.

[Gottmik]

Okay.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

So it's kind of hard to decipher, but. Okay, so, Jacob, bring up the look. Looks. And. And I want. Because. Because. Because Violet was like, these can't ever come for nobody's looks. She didn't do it like that. Thank God. Imagine if Violet did that.

[Gottmik]

That would be like, this is my real her.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

We probably go to the Google Drive, baby, because these are all going to be like, oh, well, I have one.

[Gottmik]

Amazing.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I feel like I'm mostly out of drag in this one.

[Gottmik]

Love. Here we go.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Okay.

[Gottmik]

This.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

This was. This was. This is my. This is my homage to Monet doing an homage to me.

[Gottmik]

Meta.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Very meta.

[Gottmik]

Love it.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Very meta.

[Gottmik]

I mean, you look amazing.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Thank you.

[Gottmik]

I. I like your outfits.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Why didn't you say that when Violet was trying to drag me to the earth through the. Through the mud?

[Gottmik]

Because I agree with the standpoint of it. The. You guys go ham. Like, I'm actually. You guys. Absolutely. Like, I literally said, that's Monet. What are you. Like, this is an ugly piece of. Oh, literally, like, Monet, more ham than you and Violet for Roger Solstice a hundred per cent. Like, you two are like, pull up an image of one of the girls who's, like, 21 years old, and, like, never, like, just started doing drag yesterday, and they're like, I cannot believe she would even think about packing this in her suitcase. She's actually like, shouldn't have even gone, because this is disgusting. And the fact that she even packed it means that she's mentally ill. Like, it's crazy. I'm like, it goes beyond, like, I don't like the shoes. It's like. Like, what's wrong with her brain that she thinks this is okay for me to see? I'm like, oh, my God. Oh. Literally, I think you both do. There was one that was like. There was something about a talent. I sent him on. I was losing my mind. It was so funny. I have to pull.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

It was like, a talent thing.

[Gottmik]

I think so. And it was literally, like, just talking about this girl. You're like, well, she doesn't even have a talent. Her only talent is outfit.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

So Monet about. About the one from Seattle going crazy. Who's the one? I'm a baby. I'm just a baby.

[Gottmik]

Yeah.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Monet was going on about Arietti and how she has no talents.

[Gottmik]

It's crazy. I was like, Monet, I remember sending to her. I was like, my God.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

That's. That's. That's. That's my. So this. Okay. So on my tour, I was. It was. Everything was animal themed. The tour is called this is Wild. So all my looks were animal themed. So obviously, this is a flamingo. Can you give your thoughts on this, this look, please?

[Gottmik]

I mean, it's definitely an interesting way to do a flamingo. Putting the head at the. A full head. Is it like a.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

It's a purse, so it goes wherever I want it. So you can hold it up like a neck.

[Gottmik]

Okay. I love it. Yeah. I mean, little 60s nod. Love it.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

All right, Jacob.

[Gottmik]

Dude, but you would read that down on Drag Race, but, I mean, sometimes I have to think, too. Like, I'm like a Drag Race level, and then like a arm out.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Look with the arm out. How cute.

[Gottmik]

Yeah, that is cute. It does look like a flamingo.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

See?

[Gottmik]

I mean, do the snake one, Jacob.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Let's have. Let's have it. Do one more.

[Gottmik]

I like that you. You photoshopped the dress out.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I. I cinched my waist in, actually. I don't know. Jacob did that photo. Okay, thoughts on this look?

[Gottmik]

Oh, I love that.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

This is for Photo Book magazine.

[Gottmik]

I. Photo Booth magazine.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Photo Book.

[Gottmik]

Oh, Photo Book.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

It's micro. Micro.

[Gottmik]

We magazine love micro. I love that. Literally love that.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

This is like a snake. Yeah.

[Gottmik]

Business snake.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

This is a very much. Yes. Yeah. A slithery, slithery snake.

[Gottmik]

Yeah. I love.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I love this. This is actually one of my favorite outfits. It's so uncomfortable.

[Gottmik]

Lapel, like, it's like, okay, cute. Yeah, I love that one.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

What's your favorite look you've done?

[Gottmik]

I mean, I feel like for, like. I feel like the looks that hit the best are when it's, like, culturally. Culturally significant to people or, like, tell a story. So I really like my tail and two titties moment for my, like, trans moment. I think it was, like, cool to cause that much of a reaction and start, like, a conversation just through a fashion moment. I, like, love. And that's why I think I, like Plastique's package hit so hard, because it was all, like, culturally significant to her and, like, nymphia. And I think, like, some of the best lips are, like, special to people, so I love that one the most.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

When I think about you, I. I think a couple things pop into my mind. One of them is just you bouncing on your feet. Like, you do like, a little step, like a little power stance while. While singing. Got Mick. Yes, you bought a girl, baby.

[Gottmik]

So wild. Wait, so that was so funny because I was like, season 13 was during Copen, and obviously I've never been on Drag Race before. Don't know how it works. And we were like, what's you call it? Secluded. What? And what's already so far away?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Sequester.

[Gottmik]

Yeah. So we were stuck alone for a week or so before we even started. Just in this, like, Marriott in the Valley. And they randomly, one day, they're like, okay, we're going to give you this, like, song. You're going to write a verse before we even met or anything. And I was like, oh, my God. I'm in my hotel room going crazy, and I've never done this before. And they give you, like, an ipod that you, like, hear, and it's like. It's like Leland, like, giving you the beat. So I was like, oh, I have to follow this beat. So I thought you just had to do it like that. And I was like. So I was like. And, like, telling me. I was like, okay, I'll just fill in the words like that. Then I got there, and everyone's like, I'm a bad bitch from New York City. I love the crown, and Crown loves me. And I was like, what the fuck? I got literally. And I was like, oh, okay. And then in the second round, I was like, so I don't have to follow the guidelines. I can do whatever I want. And I did it. Everyone's like, wow, government got so much better. The. The growth. I'm like, right, but you did do that.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

You did do one of the tropes that everyone does. What's the line?

[Gottmik]

Boys, girls, and in between, it's time.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

To crown your queen. Let's go. Have you seen that thing? Someone did a clip on Yalls season. It was. I'm obsessed with it. And you know that song. Now I'm hopeful, hopeful, hopeful for today. You know that song. So someone took every time. Jk, I don't know if you can possibly find this. It's so hard to find every time anyone from your season and said, like, I'm gonna get the crown. I'm the crown. Snatch my crown. Gimme my crown. And then it would just have a clip. It would be like, it's time to crown your queen. Let's go. And then it would go to black and white. And then it'd be like, now I'm hoping she in fact was not crowned the queen. They did not go. And then it'd be like, Candy. Muse would be like, yo, the muse is back. It's like, time to give them my crown. Let's go. And they'd be like, now I'm hopeful. Like, it was.

[Gottmik]

I need that.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I can't. I'm going to tell you, I used to watch this video and cackle like it is, so I cannot find it. It is. Who? If you're the one who made that video, please comment below. DM it to me or something, because that video is so. Because y' all had a. Y' all had a lot of those.

[Gottmik]

Loved it. Loved it.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Wait, so wait, you weren't. You weren't on Dragons all over the World. You were on Phenomenon. Is that not your season?

[Gottmik]

I. No, wait, I was like, charity season.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

No, bitch, your original season, Drag is all over the World. It's. Is that not the season she was on? Yeah.

[Gottmik]

Oh, it was the loser. It was the loser group.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

But you were.

[Gottmik]

So you were on the other one, the winners.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

No, there was. Okay, there was Drag is. And the other one was. What's the other song? Oh, I don't remember. Bitch, this is your fucking season. Y' all did two songs. One of them was Drag. It's all over the World. Both. It's a phenomenon.

[Gottmik]

It was a Tina Burner on fire. Like the Hunger Games, that song. Oh, yeah, it was.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

It was the same.

[Gottmik]

It was the one you had got. Milk was Born a Girl baby. I think the Phenomenon might have been like the. Congratulations.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

There it is. I wanna thank you. That is a song.

[Gottmik]

Yes. I'M obsessed with those challenges, too, because, like, at the time, obviously, everything's, like, so busy and crazy and, like, all. They're like, okay, so basically, you're gonna walk out, out, walk two steps to the left, point, turn, and then walk to center. And I'm like, we can't do all this in one day. Are you trying to sabotage me? Like, they're like, Like, I'm like, you guys are trying to ruin our careers at this point.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Walk, end point.

[Gottmik]

Like, oh, my God, you think I'm Beyonce. I'll be like, it's crazy.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

When I came to. When I came on set for All Stars 10, which was the one you did, right.

[Gottmik]

Oh, my God, we have so much lore. I can't. So that day.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

So I came on and I was like, hey, everybody. And Mick was like, I'm going to KMS with a pew, pew on live television. And I remember being like, uh. Cause I was like, hey, girl. I was like, you got.

[Gottmik]

Yeah. No, literally, you were thinking. No, literally, that. I don't know if I'm even like. I don't know how NDAs work or whatever. But I literally was like, that day, I was like, I'm going home. I'm dropping out. Like, I'm. Oh. I was on the floor, like, in the bathroom, sobbing.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Like, the bomb. The bomb explosion. Look.

[Gottmik]

Yes, I know. I was like, on the floor. I had, like, prosthetic boobs. And I don't know, it was like. It was atomic Blonde. Blonde. I wore, like, prosthetic boobs and blonde hair. I don't wear blonde hair because it reminds me of my old self. I hate seeing myself in blonde. So I'm like. But I was like, love it. I, like, I'm confident. Like, I'm gonna try blonde hair. Prosthetic boobs, crazy blonde.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

When we say pro that, we don't mean like a titty bib.

[Gottmik]

No.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Glued to your body.

[Gottmik]

Boobs.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Boobs.

[Gottmik]

Yeah. TV's crazy. And I was like, so. Blonde hair with tits, sobbing. And I'm looking in the mirror, and it's just making it worse. I'm like, oh, my God. And I was like, I'm going home. I'm not going in the.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

What?

[Gottmik]

The after thing. Untucked. I'm not going in untucked. I, like, have to leave this place. And they're like, please just go unto. Like, please just go in there. And I was like, no, I really can't. I have to leave this. This place. And then you were there, and they were like, just go. And you don't have to say a word. And I was like, okay. And I was turning away from the. Like, I would see the camera. I'd be like, turning away, sobbing. And then Bob's like, hello? And I was like, of course Bob's in here the day I'm sobbing and not talking. And then all the comments are like, garlic was so rude and disrespectful to Bob. How dare she? I'm like, I'm sobbing, like, in the corner.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I didn't take it personally. I think. I think I text you when you got. When you got back here. I was like. You're like. You're like, hey, girl, everything's fine.

[Gottmik]

It's also crazy because if I was a producer, I'd be like, send the cameras into that bathroom right now. Send Vanjie in. Like, Vanjie was knocking on the door, and she thought I was crying because of, like, her jokes to me on the roast. And then, like, low key dating that season.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I forgot about that. Whatever y' all were doing. Showmancing.

[Gottmik]

Yeah. A good dick's a good dick to me. It is what it is. My boy.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

You and I have so much lore, so I think I should apologize to you about something.

[Gottmik]

Oh, man, you scared?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I used our dynamic to get you to do a music video one time. Oh, yeah.

[Gottmik]

You did him.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

And, you know, I think you did it because we're friends.

[Gottmik]

Yeah, of course.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

And I.

[Gottmik]

You think I love the storyline.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

And you probably wouldn't have done it if we weren't friends.

[Gottmik]

No.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

But so if you guys want to check it out, Gotten Big is in a music video called. I think it's called Girl Baby Y. Yeah. It's not a bad video. I don't think it's a bad video.

[Gottmik]

No.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

But I remember you were kind of a bitch that day. I was like, ooh, Mick is.

[Gottmik]

I was in blonde hair again. So what was she doing that was.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

A bitchy in your opinion? First of all, to be fair, I did not know that this would be triggering or upsetting. So Mick was playing a mother in the video, and she was wearing blonde hair and boobs.

[Gottmik]

Yes. And, like, a pink dress. I was like, oh, yeah.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

And, like, a pink dress. And. And I'm gonna say, your mood is so valid. Super duper valid. 1 hundo P. And I owe you one. If you ever need something, get you. You let me know if you need me in the holy disco music video.

[Gottmik]

Oh, yes. I'm gonna put you in booze in a pink dress.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

In Trixie Mattel. Drag.

[Gottmik]

Yes.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Literally, if you need me up in Trissy Mattel drags literally holding a baby.

[Gottmik]

Like this with Bob, I'm like.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

But I will say you. Honestly, you were a real champ that day. You were really professional. You hit your mark, you took two steps forward, you pointed to the left, you went back to your space.

[Gottmik]

What do they think, I'm Beyonce?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Right. And you were great. So I'm very, very grateful to you.

[Gottmik]

Oh, my God.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Thank you so much for doing that music video.

[Gottmik]

I've been holding out for that apology.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

And I'm very sorry for asking you to do it.

[Gottmik]

It's fab.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Where can they see you on tour? How can they get tickets to the tour? And how can they listen to their music?

[Gottmik]

Head over to gotmic.com to get your tickets. We are going to 50 cities in North America. Bus. So it's like, who's sleeping.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Who's sleeping in the big room in the back?

[Gottmik]

There is not one.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

That's how y'.

[Gottmik]

All. Oh, yeah, we said no big room in the back.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Monet and I would rotate the big room.

[Gottmik]

Really?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Yeah. Every once a week.

[Gottmik]

That's funny.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Somewhere or. Half the tour. Half the tour. One of us got the room, half the three of them got the room.

[Gottmik]

Yeah. I was. When we were looking at buses, I was like, that's probably what would happen. But we actually have so much stuff that I think the back room is going to be utilized.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Dancers.

[Gottmik]

Dancers.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Oooh, how many?

[Gottmik]

Two. Okay, two dancers. And we have, like, a lot of props and crazy stuff.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Costume changes.

[Gottmik]

Lots of costume changes. Lots of big props. We have, like, an aerialist flying on the bus with us. We have, like, lots of things. I'm doing Ariel for the first time.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Some aerial.

[Gottmik]

Some aerial things happening between my sets.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Like the picture, the hoop or the. The hair, the Lyra.

[Gottmik]

She. We're both doing a little lira moment. She's doing, like, her gorgeous lira. She has some, actually, ones that are, like, props, too. In the air.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Does she teach you the lyric or do you like to learn from someone else?

[Gottmik]

She is teaching me, and we're going up together.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Do you like learning from her?

[Gottmik]

Yeah. She literally is, like, very motherly to me. Like, that's why we say that. She's like. She's taught me very old. Yeah, no, she's taught me 35. I think she's 33.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

33. I think.

[Gottmik]

Think. Yeah. She's like, 33. Yeah.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I met Violet when she. I met. I think I met Violet when she was, like, 20 or 19 years old.

[Gottmik]

That's crazy.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

In Atlanta, Georgia.

[Gottmik]

An angel.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

She really is. I love Violet.

[Gottmik]

She's the best. Yeah. She really has taught me so much about, like, just drag. She's, like, so good at drag, obviously. It's like, she's taught me so much.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

She's very, very, very good at drag.

[Gottmik]

I have pizzas to buy. I have organic food to purchase.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Mother Time.

[Gottmik]

If you want to say something, then say something. Like, say it and be done. Just say. Just say it and be done.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Mother.

[Gottmik]

She's a consistent queen, but, yeah, she's super motherly. So we are doing a little Ariel together. Separate. We're like, all. We're performing our new music. It's gonna be really nice live. I've never performed live like that.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Oh, really?

[Gottmik]

Yeah. I'm so excited.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Where are you doing in la, do you know?

[Gottmik]

We're doing the Will Turn.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Love the Will Turn.

[Gottmik]

Yeah, it's gonna be.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I'll be there. Can I come backstage like Lady Gaga?

[Gottmik]

Please? I'll get Hunter in contact. Yeah, Slam in contact.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

The fact that I thought that your friend was Hunter. I'm sorry, Hunter, whoever you are. I mean, obviously you're doing it big. You don't need me to. You're. You're backstage Gaga. I was in the audience looking, like. Looking like a dweeb.

[Gottmik]

Counting the amount of times you said pause up.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

88 times.

[Gottmik]

That's crazy. I don't even believe you.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I'm telling you, 88 times.

[Gottmik]

That's insane.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I did include the four times she said it during applause, though, Though. Okay, put your hands up. Make them touch. Touch. Yeah, but 88 times. Madness.

[Gottmik]

Clicking is so funny every time.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Click.

[Gottmik]

Yeah.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Are you a monster?

[Gottmik]

Yes. I'm a. Famously a Gaga apologist. I would say, like, anything she does, I'm, like, blind. I'm like. Have you heard the new song?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Have you heard the new song?

[Gottmik]

Yes, I. I watched the video.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Do you think if you and Naomi Smalls went toe to toe to see who's the biggest little monster? Because she used to be a monster. Monster.

[Gottmik]

Wait, what about Aquaria?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Well, Aquaria and Kandy Muse and Lux Noir London. Who? Yeah, if we get you. Okay, I need to do this. We need to get y' all over here and have a motherfucking Gaga Cha. Ga. Yeah, because Lux Noir London, Kandy Muse, Naomi Smalls and you. And all the black girls.

[Gottmik]

I really.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Yeah, the whitest girl. And all the black girls. What's with her face? All right, we have to get out of here. I love you so much. Y'. All please hop over to to Sibling Gorge and you will get to hear Naomi Smalls and Violet Chachki in their episode one who Naomi Smalls and oh, Monet X Change and Violet Chavsky. It will not be as good as this episode. Do not expect it to be half as entertaining, half as stunning, or half as well done early, because we are.

[Gottmik]

Obviously they're going to be in the spare room of my apartment.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

No rivalry.

[Gottmik]

Never.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

All right, y' all be good. Bye.

[Gottmik]

1 Bye, gorgeous.