Sibling Advicery: Songwriting

Summary

Podcast Summary: Sibling Advicery – Songwriting

Podcast: Sibling Rivalry
Hosts: Monét X Change & Bob the Drag Queen
Episode: Sibling Advicery: Songwriting
Date: May 8, 2024

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Episode Overview

This episode of Sibling Rivalry dives into all things songwriting and music creation, as well as life in queer spaces, the evolution of drag nightlife, and, as always, side-splitting banter between Monét X Change and Bob the Drag Queen. The episode is structured around calls from listeners, mainly about creative processes, lyric writing, and navigating queer nightlife as a transgender man. Bob and Monét also recount their own journeys in music and poetry, share memories of New York drag nightlife, and reflect on community, identity, and creativity.

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Main Discussion Points and Insights

Setting the Tone: Technology, Life, and a Sturdy Chip (01:53–07:00)

• The hosts discuss the reality of home podcast setups and the excessive equipment involved.
• A comical sidebar about the quest for "the sturdiest chip" for dips, reflecting the podcast’s trademark humor.
• Segue into beauty durability in drag (makeup, wigs, and the infamous strength of adhesives) and pop culture references (Zeus Network, Tyler Perry’s wigs).

Notable Quote:

“I am always on the search to find a sturdy chip... This is the sturdiest chip I have ever found.” —Monét, [02:42]

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Opening for Madonna: Surreal Milestones (08:23–12:22)

• Bob shares the experience of opening for Madonna before a record-breaking crowd in Brazil, detailing behind-the-scenes logistics and the feeling of performing for over a million live viewers.
• Discussion on the nature of online criticism and never being able to please everyone.
• Recap of a recent drag-related “diss track” and internet shade.

Notable Quote:

“Someone posted like, Bob opened up this concert for, like, 1.5 million people. Someone was like, 'They're not there for him.' And I was like, yeah, but I’m there, bitch.” —Bob, [10:16]

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Name Games: Airports, Wigs, and City Life (13:12–17:40)

• The pair riff on odd airport code origins (NYC, YYZ, PDX) and how cities can have confusing layouts.
• Lighthearted argument about wig color aesthetics, poking fun at one another’s preferences.

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Drag Nightlife Nostalgia (43:29–47:45, 62:34–69:42)

• Both hosts reminisce about early days in New York City nightlife: favorite bars, drag queens, memorable performers, and the politics of different venues.
• Key anecdotes include carrying a briefcase to school (Bob), the wild variety of drag performer names, and the unintended full-name reveals during the "great Facebook name change."
• Discussion around influential or memorable drag figures (e.g., Lady Blue, Alexis Thomas), and legendary singers from the scene.

Notable Quote:

“I really honestly miss a lot of my early New York City nightlife days. There were just so many characters, just, like, all the people.” —Bob, [65:47]

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Songwriting & Poetic Process: Listener Q&A

How Do Bob and Monét Write Music? (33:09–38:07, 48:08–51:09)

1. Monét on “I Don’t Wanna Download Another Body” and lyric-writing philosophy:

   • “The whole song is about being trapped in that cycle…always just getting dick online…hoping one of these is going to be my boyfriend, but then feeling so empty.” —Monét, [34:12]
   • Describes a process led by vibe and honest emotional experience.

2. Bob’s Slam Poetry Roots:

   • Talks about starting in slam poetry, performing about queer identity in non-queer spaces, and entering poetry competitions in Atlanta.
   • Evolution toward music, first inspired by thematic “concepts” (e.g., "Bitch Like Me"), sometimes writing to existing beats, sometimes seeking out new production.

3. Their songwriting process:

   • Monét: Goes to the studio, listens to producer tracks, feels for a vibe, improvises melodies, then writes lyrics to the chosen tune.
   • Bob: Begins with a song “concept,” sometimes writes to pre-existing beats, enjoys collaborating and showcasing queer artists.

Notable Quotes:

“I usually start with a concept for a song. So I will do a song like 'Bitch Like Me,' and the idea is like, I'm...I really think highly of myself.” —Bob, [49:45]
“We go into the studio, listen to tracks, freestyle melodies, then write the lyrics to the melodies that stick.” —Monét (paraphrased), [48:11]

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Navigating Queer Spaces as a Trans Man (52:14–57:29)

• Listener asks for advice about re-entering NYC gay nightlife as a non-passing trans man.
• Bob recommends prioritizing "queer spaces," not just "gay male" venues, noting Brooklyn's inclusive scene.
• Monét suggests starting out at places like Metropolitan in Brooklyn for a more diverse, accepting crowd; mentions Fairy Tale Lounge as a possibly good resource.

Notable Quotes:

"Try to stick to places, especially Brooklyn. Brooklyn is a place where they will...fight someone who misgenders you." —Bob, [54:59]

"Hell’s Kitchen leans very white and gay, while Brooklyn is a little more alt...a wide array of different people, trans women, trans men, lots of different ethnicities as well." —Monét, [55:02]

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Modern Life, Tech Talk, and Community (39:14–41:40)

• Jokes about old suitcases, wheels, and the late adoption of rolling suitcases—evolving everyday conveniences.

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Other Memorable Moments & Quotes

• Sturdy Chips and Drag Survival:
  Humor about “the sturdiest chip” becomes a metaphor for “what survives drag life.”
• Mockumentary Recommendation:
  Bob suggests American Vandal on Netflix as a clever send-up of true crime media. [45:57]
• Iconic Bartenders and Crushes:
  An insider’s circuit of New York’s most attractive nightlife figures—past and present.
• Name Origins:
  Amusing reminiscing about drag queens’ Facebook names and how old social media era forced inventive, accidental surnames.
• Music Industry Thoughts:
  Quick sidebar on how some pop stars (like Sza) may write lyrics first and freestyle melodies, compared to Monét and Bob's collaborative process.

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Listener Q&As: Timestamps

• [31:59] Eli: Opera, "Body," and Poetic Songwriting
• [47:27] Listener 2: Songwriting Collaboration, Inspiration, and Routines
• [52:14] Jay: Navigating Queer Nightlife as a Non-Passing Trans Man

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Notable Quotes with Timestamps

• “Someone's going to try to take something from you...and I saw someone online, posted like, Bob Dragons opened up this concert for, like, 1.5 million people. So I was like, they’re not there for him. And I was like, yeah, but I’m there, bitch.” —Bob, [10:16]
• “The whole song is about being trapped in that cycle...just always downloading apps and looking for a dick.” —Monét, [34:12]
• "Try to stick to places, especially Brooklyn. Brooklyn is a place where they will...fight someone who misgenders you." —Bob, [54:59]
• “Our names, full governments were on display!” —Monét, [65:11]
• “...if you take the train long enough through Brooklyn, you'll end up back in Queens. You're going to be back in Queens again at the end.” —Bob, [14:35]
• “We go into the studio, listen to tracks, freestyle melodies, then write the lyrics to the melodies that stick.” —Monét, [48:11]
• "I just really wanted to highlight a bunch of queer rappers that I really enjoy. So I reached out to rappers who I just like." —Bob, [51:18]

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Final Thoughts and Episode Tone

The episode blends comedy, nostalgia, and genuine advice for queer creatives and community members. The hosts toggle between heartfelt sincerity—especially in the advice segments—and playful roast, never missing a comedic beat. Their candid openness about artistic process and LGBTQ+ community history makes the episode relatable and essential for fans of drag, queer nightlife, and music-making.

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For content depth, refer to the above timestamps for in-depth discussions on creativity, identity, queer nightlife, and more.

Transcript

[Bob the Drag Queen]

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[Monet X Change]

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[Bob the Drag Queen]

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[Bob the Drag Queen]

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[Caller/Listener]

y'.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

All.

[Monet X Change]

Listen, this is Sibling rivalry podcast. We only have 8,000 reviews on, on Apple and we should have.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

We have shady.

[Monet X Change]

We have hundreds of thousands of, hundreds of thousands of listeners. We have almost 20,000 on our Patreon. So there should be at least 20k reviews on Apple podcasts.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

So if you all could please go and give us a review over on Spotify, over on Apple Podcasts, over on Everywhere, wherever you listen to your podcast. Please, please, please. It helps a lot. So give us that review. We need those. Sweet, sweet delicioso review.

[Monet X Change]

Even if you don't listen on Apple podcast, you get it as an Apple user, when you have, if you have an iPhone, just download the app and go. Leave a five star review and a comment. That's all you got to do. It's going to take you literally, literally one minute to do all of that. Thank you.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I was going to say, I think that people don't realize I was. We just had like. This is my first time back in my little home studio.

[Monet X Change]

My little.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I even joined myself in my little home studio. And I don't think you realize how much technology YouTubers and podcasters have in their home. The amount of like cameras, microphones, extra microphones, focus rights, cameras sitting around, lights,

[Monet X Change]

cameras, mics, bikes riding around.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Do you feel like you have like a lot of that in your life?

[Monet X Change]

I do. I mean, I have since moving here, it feels, you know, since moving to my new place, it feels a little less crazy. Cause I'm in this big space and it's not before in my old place. I feel like it was all always coming in on Me, I was like, this is too fucking much here. It feels a little more manageable.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

You were eating something before we started. I'm so excited about it.

[Monet X Change]

I am always on the search to find a sturdy chip.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Nothing pisses me. Unpaid, you're ready to give. Unpaid. I'm not gonna say the name of these niggas.

[Monet X Change]

I am not saying these niggas names. Call me by your name. No. I'm always on the quest to find a start. I hate going to a function or a party or even things in my own home and grabbing a chip for. For to get a nice scoop of dip or chili or cheese, whatever, and it snaps in the thing, and now it's awkward thing. Now your half of your chip is in everybody's dip. You don't want to use your fingers to get it out. So you're not, like, asking the host, hey, could you have, like, a fork or a spoon? It's just too much. This company. This is the sturdiest chip I have ever found. Listen, I. I believe this is the sturdy ship on the market, if I'm not mistaken. Like, I'm gonna.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I mean, it gotta be edible, too. You eating bricks.

[Monet X Change]

Like, listen to the crunch on this. Okay? The little ASMR moment.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I mean, that sounds like a regular crunch, but I don't doubt that you're saying it's really, really sturdy. You know, I was looking online recently, and someone was like, like, doing, like, their makeup spray. And then, like, they're like. And I go swimming, and I went to the gym, and I'm doing all this, and I'm like, what are y' all doing that you need your makeup to endure? Like, people like this lipstick. It does, it literally will not transform. Like, I don't understand. Like, I am a drag queen who sweats on stage. And typically speaking, when I get off stage, my makeup is still fine. Like, it is literally not sleep. What are you all doing?

[Monet X Change]

I agree. Your makeup, I've seen those. But Batrick Star has one with his. Again, it's a testament to how good his product works, because everyone talks about the one size beauty setting spray, but this nigga, one of his demos, he sprayed his face. He was on, like, a treadmill. Then he jumped in the pool and nothing off his face. I was like, that is. Girl, this thing is sealed, this epoxied onto your face.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

But also, I see the people who, like, wear, like, lashes, but I've seen this girl with lash glue. She's like, it can't come off. I'm like, well, at Some point, you're gonna need the lashes to come off. And I don't understand what y' all are like. The. The wig glue. I saw a girl glue a wig to a watermelon. Pick up the watermelon. I'm like, is this hap. How are you finding yourself in a scenario where your glue needs to be this strong?

[Monet X Change]

The perfect scenario is if you on Zeus Network and you're in a fight and bitch. Cause on Zeus Network, these hoes be thumping.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Okay.

[Monet X Change]

Zeus Network. Zeus Network is the new wwe. Like, the way they are fighting on Zeus. I'm like, this is crazy.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Do you watch Zeus?

[Monet X Change]

I see clips online. I follow a lot of Zeus tiktoks. My TikTok is often Zeus, but TikTok won't steal a lot of fights like that. But I'll see, like, on Overflow, like, on Twitter and shit.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

TS Madison had a really good point. She was like, Zeus is really just like. Is basically the trash they used to put on MTV on VH1, except they cut out the white people, and now it's just black people profiting off of black people. But also, VH1 had a lot of other stuff besides just love and hip hop. But, like, this essentially would be like if women were producing Real Housewives of Atlanta instead of Andy Cohen.

[Monet X Change]

Well, I mean, and also. I mean, and I've seen there's been a lot of discourse about how this looks bad for the black community. Like, I don't like. And I'm like. I'm like, if this is a. I mean, but damn white people. That fighting, too. I mean, I think that people feel a little bad because Zeus Network gets the. The label on it. That is. That is too ghetto, is too hood. I'm like, well, this is a part of people's experience. I mean, I think there is something to be said about showing so much violence on tv, but there is so much other violence on. That you see on tv. So what is people fighting?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I agree there is violence, but something about Zeus don't sit right with something about Zoo. They ain't never showing black folks in a positive light. And it ain't never like, ooh, it's never like. Ain't nothing. They just never, like, at least on. Like, even Tyler Perry has uplifting scenes.

[Monet X Change]

Not even Tyler Perry. Like, Tyler Perry's public.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Even Tyler Perry has uplifting scenes.

[Monet X Change]

Girl, the way people have come to Tyler Perry. Them wigs in his movies, those wigs at Tyler Perry's funeral, people are gonna be throwing wigs at his casket. Like, Ugly busted wigs. People will come for Tyler Perry in these wigs in his movies.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Well, Tyler Perry's wigs were better than the movies. They're on the play, the plays. They were bad in the movies. The wigs were actually pretty good.

[Monet X Change]

No, bitch. Are you Shamar Moore? Shamar Moore's cornrow?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I'm talking about Madea's wigs.

[Monet X Change]

No, no, no. They're talking about the characters like Shamar Moore and some of the other female characters. They be like, girl, not these. Not these Tyler Perry wigs.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I was thinking about Madea. Cuz Madea was laid, honey.

[Monet X Change]

Oh, she had that.

[Caller/Listener]

She.

[Monet X Change]

She had that wavy yaki Brazilian, baby.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

She had that wavy yaki bust down in gray in color ash3, honey. Okay, cuz while. While everyone else looking crazy. Not Madea. Madea said, bitch, my shit is fried. Dyed and laid to the side.

[Monet X Change]

Bob, I have an idea that I want to.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Speaking of Brazilian. Speaking of that yaki Brazilian.

[Monet X Change]

Wait, hold on, wait, wait. Bob, hold on one sec. Hold that thought one second. Just literally one second.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Professionalism is far too much. Why is always something going on at Morning House? She gotta let somebody in. She gotta go feed a dog. Gotta feed the cat. Gotta feed the cat to the dog. It's always something. 19 steps over at Monation Exchange. At the MO Exchange.

[Monet X Change]

Wait, hold on.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Anyway, Bob the drag queen will be touring Australia. You can get your [e-mail] that is true. You can go to seethedradqueen.com and I'll be kicking off my tour in Australia and hopefully I'll be coming to the us, the eu, the uk. I would love to come to Asia. I would love to come to different parts of Africa and South America.

[Monet X Change]

Okay.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I want to hit all the continents except Antarctica.

[Monet X Change]

Okay. And we are back.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

We never left. We were still talking the whole time. You're back.

[Monet X Change]

Okay. Brazil.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Brazil.

[Monet X Change]

Oh my God, Bob, you just did. Is this the biggest concert in history for the most amount of people?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

So it's the biggest concert for a solo artist. There have been festivals and events and things like that with more people or for groups like the Rolling Stones, but this is the largest concert in the history of music for a solo artist. Yes. So I was just. I just opened up that concert I just performed for. The numbers are still being counted, but last time I heard it was somewhere between 1.5 and 2.5 million. But it was definitely a minimum 1.5 million people. And it was streamed to 19 million devices.

[Monet X Change]

Bears.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

19 million people tuned in and watched Donna's Copacabana finale to the Copacabana beach finale to the. To the celebration tour. And honestly, it was crazy. It was really. It was. It was really, really wild. They built us this bridge from the hotel to the. To the beach, so we would, like, walk above the street and this, like, bridge where all the dancers and the crew and Madonna had to go so that we weren't, like, on the streets because there were so many people. I mean, I don't know if you guys have seen any of the videos.

[Monet X Change]

I've seen some of it online.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

It was a lot of you.

[Sponsor/Ad Voice]

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[Bob the Drag Queen]

I've learned from traveling with Madonna, too. And no matter what you achieve, someone's going to try to take something Someone's going to try to take something from you. They're going to try to take something from you.

[Monet X Change]

You know what I mean?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

And I see it happen to Madonna a lot, too. They'll be like, Madonna's like, well, Madonna has 50 number one hits. I'm gonna go, oh, yeah. Which is the most number one hits of any solo artist ever? No artist has ever had 50 number ones. And someone goes, oh, yeah. But some of them were dance charts, and some of them are this, some of them are that. And, like. But it's literally still a world where. It's literally a world record. It's literally no one else has ever done that before. And someone else was like, yeah, but actually. And then I saw someone online, posted like, bob Dragons opened up this concert for, like, 100, for 1.5 million people. So I was like, they're not there for him. And I was like, yeah, but I'm there, bitch.

[Monet X Change]

That's was. It was. It was. Does her name rhyme with Kalasia? Nadinol Mox?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I was like. I was like, what is. Did you listen to her diss track?

[Monet X Change]

I didn't listen to her diss track. It was. It was. It was. It was. It was good.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Oh, I guess we listen to different tracks.

[Monet X Change]

Well, you know, I think that Malaysia did a great attempt. I mean, I think there were, like, one or two clever lines. I was like, oh, that was clever. But some of it just didn't make sense. Like, she said, like, she, like, she aligned on for me. She's like, it took me three times to get it right. I was like, no, literally, it was two. I won my second time. I was there then something about us then. Then talking about how we're, like, how we're broke and stuff. But she. But she was like, but y' all got Y' all successful comedy careers. I'm like, nigga, which one is it?

[Sponsor/Ad Voice]

Are we broke?

[Monet X Change]

Are we successful? Which one?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

And that's head to lettuce. And I was like, okay, I don't know what that means. And then I was like, after, listen. I was like, well, we know what the fox said. We find out what the fox says. And apparently the fox mumbles and they can't catch the beat. We finally got the answer to what does the fox say? And apparently the fox goes, can't keep them dick out your mouth, but do you know what this is about, girl?

[Monet X Change]

And then I was like, bitch, she sneezed on the beat. And beat was like, oh, I feel great.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I feel fine. I'm not sick at all. But that being said, it was fun. And, you know, I started writing a diss track. But then I really like to respond like, you know me, when I do my little diss track fantasies, I like to respond in real time. But it just happened to be a very, very. You guys can imagine it was an incredibly busy week for Ms. Bob the Drag Queen. And then I started writing on the one plane home and I was like falling asleep. I had like a. The flight from Brazil.

[Monet X Change]

Yeah, I called you through twice, but you were very busy, so I get it. But I was calling to be like, oh my God, congratulations, I'm so proud of you. But you didn't answer my phone call. But you were very busy, so I understand.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

But you had to get that in there. So whenever you. So somebody always try to bring you down.

[Monet X Change]

I just opened for Madonna, but your nigga, you answer my phone calls.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

That literally. I mean, we, we, we were wrapped with everything around like 2 o' clock in the morning because we had the, we had the show. And then like to get our, like, pack all of our belongings and then like say goodbye to each other at this little party. And then three hours later, I was downstairs headed to the airport, starting my 18 hour journey from Rio to LAX. From GIG to LAX. Some of these I went to Atlanta and then Atlanta's at home and then Atlanta to lax. Some of these names of these airports just don't be making no sense to me. How is Rio G? I G. Maybe in Portuguese it starts

[Monet X Change]

with a G. Yeah, most of them do make sense. Like in Houston. I know a lot of them like, IAH is Houston, ATX is Austin, PDX is Portland.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

You know what Toronto is? It's yyz.

[Monet X Change]

All Toronto's, all Canada's YY or like Y letters.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Why I don't get it, Bob.

[Monet X Change]

I'm sure there's some method to the madness. I'm sure. I'm sure they didn't just pick letters out the sky.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

PDX is Portland.

[Monet X Change]

Huh. SLC is Salt Lake City, which is pretty.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Well, that makes sense.

[Monet X Change]

JFK is John. They're not. They're John. Ken. John Kennedy.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

You know, there's no New York City airport. There's no nyc. It's jfk and is JFK and lga,

[Monet X Change]

to be fair, nyc, everything. If you put nyc, who knows? You wouldn't know where people be confused. Everything is NYC in New York. So it makes sense they didn't name it. It's called nyc. It's too much. NYC is such a popular.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

New York City is nyc. I mean, you would say because it'd be in here, but because New York City has two airports. There's one. There's one in Queens, one in Brooklyn. Yeah, actually, they're both in Queens.

[Monet X Change]

Actually, no JFK is in Brooklyn. Well, you're right. It's in Queens.

[Caller/Listener]

Is it?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Yeah, they're both in Queens.

[Monet X Change]

Yeah. I was, I was really. I wanted to like, pull like a New York thing. Like, no nugget, you don't know. But the facts are the facts.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I want to tell folks that Queens is huge. Queens like wraps around Brooklyn. Queens is massive.

[Monet X Change]

Yeah, Queens is very big.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Caller/Listener]

If.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

If you. If you ever go to Queens, especially because if you. If you take the train long enough through Brooklyn, you'll. You'll end up back in Queens. You're going to be back in Queens again at the end.

[Monet X Change]

Well, then that's also because the Queensland. That's why Queens has to have. They have 112th Street, 112th Place, 112th Lane, 112th Avenue, 112th Road. It's like they have multiple. What are those? Not. What's the end of something?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

The end of something. What do you mean?

[Monet X Change]

Mr. And Mrs. Are suffixes. Suffixes? No, a prefix. It's a suffix at the end.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

You said the end of something.

[Monet X Change]

Yeah, it's a suffix before. It's a. I'm saying Mr. And Mrs. Those are prefixes.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Oh, yeah, but when you said the end, you mean like, like, like, like DDS or ESQ For Esquire, that kind of thing.

[Monet X Change]

Yeah, yeah.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Or like Junior.

[Monet X Change]

Okay. Also. Also, this is what I meant to say. Hey, Bob, I want this for us. Now, I'm willing to do the. Do the. Do the. The work to get this done, but I really have. I want. I want you to get a 42 inch gray bust down. I'm gonna go whatever color you think I should get. I want us to do a shoot together.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Why would mine be gray?

[Monet X Change]

You like the color gray, don't you like that white gray color?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I have a few gray wigs, but I don't know that. I don't know that I'm. I'm not like Raja or who's that one queen who wears all the. Max Melanife. You got more gray.

[Monet X Change]

I don't have any gray wigs.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Okay? Having more than you doesn't mean that I like, love gray wigs. I mean, I do have some gray wigs. I went through a very, very, very short gray wig phase, and it was very short.

[Monet X Change]

You literally wore it on Dungeons and Drag Queens.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Okay, I wore one gray wig on Dungeons and Drag Queens, but I had a short gray wig phase before that. Dungeons and Drag Queens, literally. We filmed for two days. I wore one gray wig for two days. They'd be like, me being like, mon, you have so many more days. Anyway. They be like me being like, Monet, you. You have you in these orange wigs. Cuz that one orange wig behind you.

[Monet X Change]

Okay, that's your orange wig, bitch.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

So it's mine. So you do it. So you admit that it's mine. You gave.

[Sponsor/Ad Voice]

Yes.

[Monet X Change]

You gave it to me.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Then bring it to the Belasco tonight. Bring it to the Belasco tonight. Where's the church from? You know, I don't know. I bought it when I was on We're Here.

[Monet X Change]

We can't see. Girl, this is blurry. Blurry.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I think it might be Dolls Kill.

[Monet X Change]

Oh, work.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I think.

[Monet X Change]

Look at you.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

But I wore it on We're Here. Like season three. I think maybe we're here.

[Monet X Change]

I don't remember season three.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

But you don't remember anything from season three.

[Monet X Change]

I said, I don't remember that shirt from season three.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Oh. I mean, it probably didn't make the error. Maybe it did. Maybe I wore for season two. Or maybe I didn't wear it on. Maybe I bought it but didn't wear it at all. I really can't remember, to be honest.

[Monet X Change]

You know, I think season three is when RC really understood who you were. Like, because she was at my house, she was in la, and we, like, watched season three for the whole week together. It's like, oh, my God, look at Bob. I was like, girl, this is the third season of the show. She's like, for real? I was like, yes, Arcia.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

What do you mean she didn't realize there was me on the screen?

[Monet X Change]

No, like we were watching it. But like she didn't like. Cause she. Arcia only. Only. Which she fooled to you. She barely watched my season of Drag Race. So Arcea had no context of who you are.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Besides, Arcia came to my house. Arcia came to a Broadway. I invited her to a Broadway show. We went to this Broadway show together.

[Monet X Change]

Broadway show was after she watched you when we're here at my house. Not recently. This is back at my old place.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

My timeline's not great, I got to be honest.

[Monet X Change]

Yeah, you're. You're. You're all over the place, girl. What's your nerdy ass? Fucking reading glasses, you fucking nerd.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

These are not reading glasses. These are seeing glasses. Thank you very much.

[Monet X Change]

Same, same.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

They're not the same, but pop off.

[Monet X Change]

Aren't you. Aren't you so happy that you're going to get to see me tonight and do a show with me tonight? How excited are you?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I am excited. I wish we would have done an episode together today.

[Monet X Change]

I could have come to your house. Too late now.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Well then, bitch, why don't you Jacob and recommend? I don't know. I don't know. I was here.

[Monet X Change]

I didn't know if I was here. I didn't know. Bitch, you're back in LA for the first time. I don't know if you were at a thing going to. I didn't know what was going on. Am I supposed to just know what

[Bob the Drag Queen]

the fuck you got going on? And me too, you know, I'll tell you after this break. We're a little late for the break. We're going to talk about it after this break. What you should and shouldn't be doing.

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[Bob the Drag Queen]

Guess who back in the house, HEELS click, clack and bow. Fine, fresh feminist step. Try to do it out of time and it's harder. Guess who back in the house, HEELS click, clacking ABOUT Find fresh feminine style. To 11. I'm divine. So, hey, Heavenly gentlemen sweating Is down across the board no doubt Body like wow. Pussy butter in the stroud Titty so plentiful Fish Queen Jezebel should be criminal don't make sense for a bitch to be this endowed Rocket to the south what is that sound? Watch me drop, drop, drop it to the ground Wait for the four drop to the floor Add up the tens

[Monet X Change]

to get the score See the problem is that. Do you have. There's no constant meter, see. So.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Oh my.

[Monet X Change]

This is what. This is what 21st century music be sounding like. Like when people want that like mute 21st century music. That's what it sounds like to me. There ain't no meter. It'd be like. I'm like, who the fuck is composing this shit?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Jay Z once said, you'll get sick try to study my bounce flow.

[Monet X Change]

That's different though. That is a syncopation. That is not changing the meter. Changing the meter means like you're going from like 44 to 38 to 28 to. To 3 4. Like the meter is constantly changing. That's what's happening.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

But it's kind of impressive to be able to change your meter so often.

[Monet X Change]

Is it? What makes that more impressive than keeping the same meter?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Can you do it?

[Monet X Change]

Well, change. Oh, yes, you can change a meter.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

No, can you do it?

[Monet X Change]

Yes, I can change a meter.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Change the meter, do Twinkle, twinkle little star. But change the meter do what? Twinkle, twinkle little star. But change the meter.

[Monet X Change]

Twinkle, twinkle little star How I wonder what you are up above the world so high I. I Like a diamond in the sky Twinkle, twinkle little star How I wonder what you are.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Now if someone could repeat that back. That is more impressive than just going twinkle twinkle little star.

[Monet X Change]

How I.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

To me, that is more impressive. It takes more memory, it takes more skill set.

[Monet X Change]

I mean, but, but that, but that is because you know the melody and the rhythm of twinkle little star. If you just introduce to it. Like if you were got both pieces and you're trying to learn both. Admittedly, yes, the one changing the meters is a little harder. But it's because you're so used to what twinkle twinkle already sounds like, your brain would be like, what?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Monet speaks out against 21st century music? Monet is in her one woman army to bring down 21st music.

[Monet X Change]

21st century classical music. I'm gonna give you some 21st. Sometimes it's just. It's like the composer's fucking with you. You're like. It's like, my name is Mother Drag Queenie. But anyway, so I am obsessed with Dr. Maya aesthetic. Are you. Do you. Are you up on the news about Dr. Maya aesthetic?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Dr. My aesthetic?

[Monet X Change]

Dr. Maya aesthetic?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

No, I'm gonna look.

[Monet X Change]

I'm gonna look. I'm gonna send you the. I'm gonna send you on Instagram right now. The page.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Instagram?

[Monet X Change]

Yeah, I just sent it to you. Instagram.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Instagram has been acting really wild about aesthetics lately. Specifically with veneer.

[Monet X Change]

Text Dr. May Aesthetics, sorry. Oh, yeah, veneer. I've seen that. So it is this plastic surgery facial doctor in Turkey. And at some point it's like, this is just not the same person.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Like, it's just.

[Monet X Change]

I mean, maybe they are, but it is so hard to believe that some of these things are the same before it's the same person before. And after. Some of it just looks impossible. Like, are you giving this person instead of a face a facial? Are you already getting a brand new face, like completely reconstructed? Like, it just doesn't in the comments be like, y', all. This person had green eyes before that I had brown. They had. They had a mole here. It's like, what is going on? And I'm obsessed. I'm obsessed with studying these, you know, I.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Okay, it's Dr. May. D r M A Y A E S T H I T H E T I C sorry.

[Monet X Change]

Yeah.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

And Dr. May is based in Istanbul. And yeah, some of these are just do not seem like they are the same person at all. Particularly this one is the one that I really just can't see. This one?

[Monet X Change]

Yes, yes. Her, her, her, her.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

This looks like a lady and her daughter.

[Monet X Change]

Exactly. That's what a lot of them look like. They're families.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I mean, it could be a scammiana, but maybe this is just like a really good plastic surgeon because the results are indeed resulting.

[Monet X Change]

I just don't understand. It hurts my brain. I'm like, y' all are full of shit. There's no way. You don't think it's true? No, Bob, I don't know this one.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I don't. I don't know. I do not know.

[Monet X Change]

But I'm obsessed. And the comments that people be just freaking out about these all the time. It's so funny to me that they're really trying to pass this off as different people. People. That's why you merked that you just poured that.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Have you seen I. There's still some.

[Monet X Change]

Have you.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Are you. Are you familiar with. With veneer tech on Tik Tok on and Instagram?

[Monet X Change]

Yeah. Now it's full become a profession to be a veneer tech. Which is crazy.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Which I. I don't think it. I think it's illegal. I'm pretty sure that being a veneer tech is not legal.

[Monet X Change]

Yeah.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

But what's happening, for those of you who do not know, is this guy, who's very handsome, by the way.

[Monet X Change]

I don't know. Is he. I haven't seen this person send me. Send me.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Very good looking. He posted a picture of himself holding a thing and being like, hi, I just became a licensed veneer technician. And everyone's like, no, you are a criminal. You cannot work on people's teeth without a DDS license. Are you crazy?

[Monet X Change]

Yeah.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

And like, also, guys, do not go to a fucking veneer tech, please.

[Monet X Change]

Well, veneers have become like the new thing. Like, it's like a new status of wealth and health having. Like.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Would you ever go to. Would you ever get veneers?

[Monet X Change]

Hell no. I was so. Back when I was still afraid of the dentist, like eight, like nine years ago, I went to the dentist that Tina Burn and I Both go to. Dr. Harrison. Shout out Dr. Harrison at Madison Dental Group. She changed my life about dentistry. Like, before, I had, like, decent dental habits, but, like, it wasn't the best, right? And I hadn't had my Invisalign yet. And I was like, you know what? I just wanna knock them out and get veneers. She's like, no, you're not doing that. I was like, what do you mean, I'm not doing that? She's like, you have beautiful teeth. She's like, with some cleaning and some Invisalign and stuff, you'll be happy you fixed your teeth as opposed to getting veneers. And she's right. I'm very happy I did that.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

But also, like, I don't get what I want to get.

[Monet X Change]

No, I'm very happy. She was right. She was right, though.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

This, by the way, can we please put this picture on the screen? I just sent it to the group chat. Maybe y' all can get over to Jada Fayo. That's the. That's the guy who went famous for becoming a veneer tattoo.

[Monet X Change]

Yes. The fuck he is. Jesus, he's hot.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

You want this man to dig around in your mouth?

[Monet X Change]

Y. I will get veneers by him,

[Bob the Drag Queen]

girl. But also people like, people getting veneers in their living rooms. And like,

[Monet X Change]

it's crazy because y' all don't know. So I. I was. Fell into veneer TikTok a dentist talking about it. And like, she's like, because veneers are so popular. Now, people, young kids at 18 years old are asking their parents, and their parents are getting them veneers for their birthdays or, like, even younger than that. She's like, what? Y' all don't realize veneers have a shelf life between, like, 15 and 20 years. Between every 15 and 20 years, you have to replace them. And to do that, you have to file the tooth down more and more every time. So you had to give them them three times. By the time you're 60, 70 years old, bitch, you're just getting dentures because you have no more tooth to file down. It's great.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

You're a good age for veneers. You're a great age for veneers. You got two more sets of veneers than you. You're what, 34? You got two more sets of veneers than you.

[Monet X Change]

Ms. Thing, do you have veneers?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

No. I have several fake teeth, but most of my teeth that you see are OG and the real ones.

[Monet X Change]

What's the difference between a veneer and a fake tooth?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

So veneers go. You know, I don't 100% know the difference between a veneer and a fake tooth, but these are bridges, and a bridge is not a veneer. Like. Like this. A bridge is basically multiple teeth connected together. So you can't actually get between them. Like, you can't floss between these three teeth and these three teeth. Those are bridges. And this on the front is a crown.

[Monet X Change]

Okay. A porcelain veneer is bonded to just the front surface of your tooth, while a dental crown covers the entire tooth. This tends to make veneers more aesthetically pleasing than crowns because they show less gum margin. Huh. Crowns are thicker than veneers also.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

So if you look at this crown, if you take it off my tooth underneath, it looks like a little Tic tac. My real tooth, it looks like a little Tic tac.

[Monet X Change]

Got it. So when you were into that Christmas and you had cracked your tooth, it wasn't your real. It was your veneer or your crown that cracked.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Yeah, I cracked the crown.

[Caller/Listener]

Yeah.

[Monet X Change]

Got it.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Got it.

[Monet X Change]

Yeah.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Monet, what do you say we do a little bit of advisory for. We haven't done one in a long time.

[Monet X Change]

Yeah, let's do a little advisory. This, this, this, this, this, this. A little amuse bouchery.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

What's it Amuse bouche again?

[Monet X Change]

Amuse bouche is like a. Is like a little. Like a little. A little sampling, a little taste.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Like hors d'.

[Caller/Listener]

Oeuvres.

[Monet X Change]

Yeah, it's a like.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

It's a like excite your palate before you get to the main meal. So it's usually something like very flavorful. And we don't realize that there is a. There is a cardboard cut out of me that is always sitting. If you ever see me in this room and I'm looking like this, I'm looking at me.

[Monet X Change]

You're so vain.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Well, Jacob bought it for this tik tok we were making and now there's just a cardboard cut out of me just sitting in.

[Monet X Change]

Is it life size? No.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I'll show it to you. It's not life size.

[Monet X Change]

Oh.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

But I believe they do sell a life size one, though. This was from the weird to me.

[Monet X Change]

Why this one was this one the weird hair premiere. Yeah, I remember.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

But of all the pictures of me, why, why this one?

[Monet X Change]

You see that, that Mistress, not Mistress Malaysia, put that picture of you that you hate in her thing, the one

[Bob the Drag Queen]

from Bills I saw. I actually like Malay. We should have her on the podcast at some point.

[Monet X Change]

I. I've never, I've never met her. I don't have an opinion, but she seems.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Well, I've chatted with her on. On Tick Tock before. She's pretty fun and. But we always say we shot people on the podcast and then we. We've been threatening to do it. To do a. No rivalry. And yes, Gorge or sibling gorger or whatever the we called it for how many years now?

[Monet X Change]

We need to do it. We need to do it.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Yeah, we'll do it. We'll get. We'll get around to it. Okay, wait.

[Monet X Change]

We're gonna take a little break and then we're gonna come back and do advice. I feel that. Hey, it's Ryan Reynolds here for Mint Mobile. Now I was looking for fun ways to tell you that Mint's offer of unlimited Premium Wireless for 15amonth is back. So I thought it would be fun if we made $15 bills, but it turns out that's very illegal. So there goes my big idea for the commercial. Give it a [e-mail] Switch upfront payment

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[Bob the Drag Queen]

Alrighty, you ready?

[Monet X Change]

Yeah, we are.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

And we're back, mate. Right now.

[Caller/Listener]

Hello, Bob and Monet. I'm Eli. I'm 27. I live on the west coast of Canada. Right now Working. But I'm originally from Toronto, Canada. I had a question. Well, I have a question for both of you, but I have a question for Monet. I'm also a opera singer. I'm currently just finishing my last yap.

Yep.

Just a random. Just a random fact, but I wanted to ask about Body. My question is, what do you mean by don't want to download another body? I mean, like, I can have an idea. Like, I have an idea of the whole song.

[Monet X Change]

I. I love it.

[Caller/Listener]

It's gorgeous. Bob, I also love your music, too, please. But, yeah, I just wanted to ask what. What you meant by that. Um, and what. When you get into poet. Poetry, like, for both of you, when you kind of get poetic with your words, when you're writing music, like, how do you go about doing that? Do you have a process? Are you just trying to be kind of witty or silly? Yeah. Let me know. Love you both.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I really thought it was about to be an opera question. I was like, oh, this is about to be a question about opera. They were like, I am finishing up my last yap.

[Monet X Change]

Stands for.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Yeah. Yeah, I know. Yeah, everyone knows yap. Yeah, of course. Everyone knows what a gap is.

[Monet X Change]

What is it?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

We all know. We all know Yaps.

[Monet X Change]

What is it below?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Guys, you know what the app is? I don't. I don't need to dignify it to you, but, yeah, it's. But I know they're on their very last one, which is pretty impressive to do your last one, because the first and how many.

[Monet X Change]

And how many things he's probably done then if you know his last.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

He probably did, like, probably four. This is probably their fifth one, which is an unusual number.

[Monet X Change]

Unusual.

[Sponsor/Ad Voice]

Which?

[Monet X Change]

Way too many or too little?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

It's really a lot, actually. And when you're in a young artist program. Oh, no, you are so fucking stupid.

[Monet X Change]

You are so stupid.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Answer the question, bitch.

[Monet X Change]

Thank you, thank you, thank you. Thank you for listening to my music. So that line, I don't want to download another body. It was. Body is. The whole song is about being trapped in the cycle of which I was trapped in, which was just. Always just getting dick online and just sit in my apartment literally all day. Put Grindr on in the morning and just go through it all day. And having many visitors throughout the day and. But always in the back of my mind thinking, oh, one of these are probably going to be my boyfriend. Like, because I. Because I had so many friends that I met their boyfriends on Grindr. I was like, oh, I'm going To hook up one of these guys and they're going to become like my boyfriend. And then after the deed is done and they leave feeling so empty and incomplete because that didn't happen. And there was no chance that that was going to happen. So just being annoyed with myself at the cycle. Just of kind, constantly just always downloading apps and looking for a dick on different apps.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Did you meet Andy on an app though?

[Monet X Change]

On Hinge. But not like a hookup one though.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I don't know what's up with that. With the Hinge, I joined Tinder, but it was, it was. You had to pay too much money for it to even function.

[Monet X Change]

Oh, really gave up on them.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I felt that way personally.

[Monet X Change]

Yeah, Hinge, I did play for the extra. I don't know how much the extra one was. It was like, it was like, it was like. It was like $20 for like a month. But I met Andy within like the first two months I was on it.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

You know, I, I used to. I had a very short lived career in college as a slam poet. So I was really into slam poetry. I got into deaf poetry Dram. Deaf poetry jam. And then I became obsessed with this poet named Georgia Me, who's from Georgia. Her name is Tamika Harper, but her poet name is Georgia Mee. She's a Tony Award winner. She had just won a Tony for deaf poetry on Broadway. And I was obsessed. I was like, I want to like meet Georgia Mee. So I got the Georgia Me CD and then Georgia Me was performing at a local like cafe near me, like at a slam poetry thing at like this like cafe near me. So I went and I met her and I was like, oh my God, this is amazing. And. And then I started writing my own slam poetry. And then I even went and competed in Atlanta. This one, I was living in Columbus. I went and competed in Atlanta and I made it to the second round, but I did not make it to the third round.

[Monet X Change]

Damn. What was your poetry about? Do you have, do you remember any of it?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I remember my first one was about

[Monet X Change]

the sounds of the man and the times and the rhymes of the fair. That's what it might be.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

No, my first one was about being queer and how like a lot of these, when I was in these. Cause these were not queer spaces I was in. You know what I mean? These were not queer spaces. So it was about being queer in non queer spaces and standing up for yourself. And people love that one. People really loved that poem. And then my second one was this like weird religious poem.

[Monet X Change]

You were. Bob, it's okay. You were religious back then. Like, it's okay. Oh.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Oh, my God. I remember, like, finding that book and reading it, like, maybe three years ago. I don't even know where it is today, but find, like, three years ago and reading that religious poem and being like, this is insane. This is insane.

[Monet X Change]

You're giving you Utica. So for my savior, I toss my hair. Whatever. What the girl.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

For my savior, I was tossing my hair. And then I had one about, like, about the government. It was low key. Conspiracy theory. Ish, but not really. So I kind of lost the plot pretty soon, to be honest. But my gay one was a big hit, and I would perform that around town at different slams in my mind.

[Monet X Change]

You have a black turtleneck on a beret. The little civil rights glasses, little black, little poetry.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Well, I was into black turtlenecks for a while because Omarion from B2K wore one. So I thought they were really, really cool. Was it Omarion or was it.

[Monet X Change]

I don't know. I think they all.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I think it was.

[Monet X Change]

They all had a thing with the. With the. With. With the turtleneck one.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

And then Usher also, I think, where he was wearing leather pants. Black leather pants and a black turtleneck sweater. And I was like, this looks so good. I would like one. My mother got me some leather pants, which was. I cannot believe she did that. And I was too scared to wear them to school. I was. I. I could not bring myself to wear those pants. I could not bring myself to wear those pants to school. I would have got dogs. But I did wear them later on to the movies, and I wore them. I think I may have worn.

[Monet X Change]

If.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

If there's any chance that anyone out there, by any random chance, has footage of me performing at this slam poetry thing In Atlanta in 2005, 2004, maybe 2006, I would love to see this footage. But this was before. I don't want to sound like an old hat, but this is before cell camera phones. There were no camera phones back then, so people weren't recording everything.

[Monet X Change]

Right, right.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Like, when was the camera phone invented?

[Monet X Change]

The Sidekick? Well, no, before the Sidekick.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

No. Like to record, not to, like, take pictures.

[Monet X Change]

The girl raises, took razors, took videos. They weren't long.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Oh, apparently the Kyocera had a camera.

[Monet X Change]

Oh, my God. With Virgin. My mom had that. Like my. My birth mother.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

1999, I had a Kyocera.

[Monet X Change]

June had one of those.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

And the. But when did they start doing videos? Did the first iPhones take videos? I don't know. Yes, it did.

[Monet X Change]

I got onto the.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I didn't.

[Monet X Change]

I didn't get onto iPhone until the 4. The 4. The 4s. That was when I got onto iPhone. So I don't know what the first couple did.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

No. The first iPhone to take video was in 2009.

[Monet X Change]

Okay, what number was it? What, What. What number is that?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Three G s. Okay. This.

[Monet X Change]

Before I got on. And now. And now it's impossible to think of a future like, that's something like in 20 years. What is the invention? We're going to be like.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Like today.

[Monet X Change]

I cannot imagine living without, like, how did. I'm like, how do we live without this? Right?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

But I was thinking that was. That was so strange. I was at the airport the other day and this guy pulled out a. Was waiting for suitcases. And it was a. It was like a carpetbagger. 1943.

[Monet X Change]

That's cool.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

And I was like, that's not. That's crazy. And I was like, this is insane that you have these suitcases. We were all like, what's in that? We were like, what's in there? A treasure map. Like, when you get home, are you going to bury this in your yard? This is crazy.

[Monet X Change]

Was it. Was it beat up or wasn't in, like, nice condition?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

It wasn't beat up, but it just looked old. It looked like a vintage suitcase.

[Monet X Change]

That's cool, girl. That's cool.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

So what makes it so odd to me is that suitcases, you know, they didn't start putting wheels on suitcases till, like the 90s.

[Monet X Change]

I didn't know that.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Which is crazy because they had suitcases and they had wheels. Both things have been invented already. But just no one thought to put wheels on a suitcase until the 90s. And then, even then, I don't think they were putting casters. You know what a caster is?

[Monet X Change]

Yeah, caster.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

The wheels that go in full circles.

[Monet X Change]

Oh, no, that's recent. That. That.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

That was like the 2000.

[Monet X Change]

Yeah, that was like 2000, like 2010s. I think that happened.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

We used to have the suitcase where you pull. It only has two wheels in the back. And then that mug hits a. Hits a rock. Your whole shit. Yeah, your whole shit would be twisted and flipped upside down.

[Monet X Change]

Let me tell you something, okay? Little. Little nerdy fourth grade Kevin, straight up from St. Lucia with his thick Jamaican accent. I had a rolly book back in school, Jamaica. And I used to be running, and I thought I was living my best life, and I would hit a pebble and I would flip over and my whole suitcase Is over.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Oh, shit. They used to drive me. I hated that.

[Monet X Change]

Did you. Did you have a rolly book bag, too?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

No, I did not have a rolly book bag. I was way too cool for that. Way too cool. I don't know if you know. I don't know if you remember this story. Monet. I told you I used to carry. I used to carry a briefcase to school. A briefcase girl. I was on a. I was on a different level. These. These other middle school kids were not ready for the creativity, the ingenuity, the individuality that was young Caldwell at Morrow Middle School. Honey.

[Monet X Change]

Oh, Morrow. So he went to Morrow Middle School and Morrow High School. God damn.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Yep, Right? They were. They were on the same property.

[Monet X Change]

Oh, my God.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Why?

[Monet X Change]

Well, that is such a boring experience. Like, I had very different experiences for school.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Must be nice. Let's go to. Let's go to. What was your experience? Did you go to Collegiate?

[Monet X Change]

No, I was in Anglican primary school in St. Lucia. Very, very, very different than American schools. Then I went to elementary school in Brooklyn in East Flatbush. My middle school was in Marine park, which is like the white part of Brooklyn. And then, like, the white hood, bitches. And then I went to PBAs, which is in the city, which is, like, very. I was all over the map, honey. That's why I'm. That's. That's why I'm such a. I'm such a Renaissance woman.

[Caller/Listener]

I've.

[Monet X Change]

I've had many experiences in many lives, and I'm happy about that.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

So to be clear, I went to Mara Middle School and Mara High School. Before that, I was at Ridgecrest elementary in Phoenix City. I was at Callaway Middle School in lagrange, Georgia. I was in Southeast and Carpenter, Mississippi. I was at Casita Road in Columbus, Georgia. I was at some other school in Columbus, Georgia, for, like, two weeks. But then I moved back, and I'm probably missing one other school in there somewhere.

[Monet X Change]

You look like you're gonna narrate an NPR podcast.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Why? What about this looks?

[Monet X Change]

It's the sweater and the glasses and the way you're sitting. You're looking at a narrative in npr. Like, something like this American Life.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Does this change that?

[Monet X Change]

No. The glass.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Does this change that?

[Monet X Change]

No. That all still tracks for me.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I. I do love npr. I do like to listen to npr. But to be fair, I got into NPR pretty young. Like, I got into NPR in my 20s.

[Monet X Change]

I never listened to NPR, so I don't know anything about them. Besides never. Besides the episode we did when you and I played that game.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

There's some really good stuff on npr. May ask another. Obviously we were on that. This American Life. Yeah, this American Life, which is the world's most popular podcast. Also, cereal was npr.

[Monet X Change]

I don't like true crime. I don't. I don't get the facet with true crime. I know true crime is the biggest podcast character. I don't. It does. I don't get it. I don't like listening to that.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I wouldn't say Serial is quite true crime as much as Serial is more like a documentary. True con. True crime is kind of just recounting grisly events that happen to a person or a set of people. By a person or by a set of people, I guess. Like, and then he walked into the room and cut up his mother's hands. Cut. And then fuck the wrist or some crazy shit like that. That's what like true crime is.

[Monet X Change]

Yeah, I don't like that.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

But Serial was more talking about this. This guy who. The reporter was like, I'm trying to help you prove your innocence. And if you're innocent, then you need to help me. Help me do so. Help me prove that. And that was. That was what Serial was about.

[Monet X Change]

The first season of cereal, I fall into someone. TikTok. There was one recently. I fall into. Listen to the whole thing. It's like a three hour podcast about the cat burglar. Have you seen this? This woman who was a cat burgle and she got arrested. No. It's so interesting. She talked about her being a cat burger. Like she was like a real life cat burglar. And like, how she would choose the house she was gonna rob and like, how she would do it. And it was. It was. Honestly, I was like, oh, wow. It was. It was very. I. I enjoyed listening to that. That was very interesting to me. And I was like, oh, this is crazy. Like, and how she finally got caught and she stole over $11 million in things.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

If you ever want to get into a show that is kind of like a true crime documentary, but it's a mockumentary and there's two seasons and they are both very good. It is such a smart, clever show. It's called American Vandal. It is on Netflix and it's about this kid. The first season is about this kid who drew dicks on. Everyone's on all the teachers, cars. They're trying to find out who drew the dicks. But they. They treat it like it is like a. Like it is a serious, serious crime.

[Monet X Change]

Wait, is it a mockumentary? Or is this all fake?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

It's a mockumentary. It's a mockumentary.

[Monet X Change]

And what is it called? One more time.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Vandal American. Vandal American. And the second season is about. Is about a kid who put laxatives in. In the lemonade and everyone had to poop themselves. Everyone was pooping themselves at the school. It was like a day where everyone remembers like the pooping of the school.

[Monet X Change]

This is old 2018.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Yeah. I remember watching when it first came out and then I ended up meeting one of the actors. Like one of the actors friends was Zach Noy Towers. Like I was at Zach's house and I was like, oh, you're the guy from American Vandal. Interesting.

[Monet X Change]

You probably said it sounds like bad. Y' all know, Bob said just, oh, you're the guy from American Vandal.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

We were sitting there and then I looked and I was like. And I was like, were you an American Vandal? And then he was like, as a matter of fact, I was work.

[Monet X Change]

Oh, that's another question. Yep.

[Caller/Listener]

Hi, Monet. Hi, Bob. Long time listener, first time caller. I would love to ask you guys about your creative process when it comes to making music. I've recently decided to try my hand at writing and producing music of my own. And as you guys are both artists that I listen to frequently, I was wondering if you had any interest insight. For example, do you start with lyrics first or music? How do you know if you want to collaborate with someone, whether that be a producer or another artist? Do you have a writing routine? What inspires you? I would love to hear a little bit behind the scenes about your creative process if you felt like sharing. Very much appreciated. Have a great day and Free Palestine.

[Monet X Change]

Yes.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Sorry, her.

[Monet X Change]

Oh, who went first? I went first. So my process goes like this. We go to the studio and then we listen to some. Whatever tracks the engineer has, which is. And anyone who's a. Who's a producer, they have like a lot of fucking tracks, right? So listen to a couple, like maybe like six, seven tracks, sometimes more until you find one that you really. That I'm really feeling. And I was like, well, I really like this one. And then I normally go to the studio and in mind of something I want to write about and then the track kind of has to fit into that like, for example, body. Right? So then I was like feeling that way. It was one day I was probably feeling really frustrated about that. And then I was like. And the track was really giving me that vibe. And then so what it is. And then after we get the after, get the track. Let me go into the studio and with the track playing, just sing a whole bunch of different melodies. Just like. Like, just whatever you're feeling. And then me and then my writing partners, Canon Ritza, will all take a turn doing that. And then we'll listen back to that and, like, see what. And then we. Then we piece the song together with the melodies, and then we have the melodies and then right to it. But I've never done a song. I never done lyrics first. But some artists do do that, and you can hear the difference in that. Like, for example, I don't know, but Sza to me sounds like someone who, like, she writes her shit down and she goes in. In the booth and just kind of freestyles that melody. That makes sense. That's what it sounds like. I don't know if that's true, though. But that's my process, you know, I.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I usually start with a concept for a song. So I will do a song like. Like Bitch Like Me. And the idea is like, I'm. I really think highly of myself. And I think that you may have traveled the world, but you've probably never met a bitch like me. You know what I mean? And then from there, I. Sometimes I will go and I will find a beat that exists in the world already, and I'll rap to the beat, and then I will go to producer and be like, I need you to make a beat that's in the same time signature so that I can keep track and just jump over to the new beat instead. But sometimes they'll send me beats too. Like, for example, with Booty, I wrote Booty to Sausage Santana's track Booty, like to perform for Sasha Santana at the Pride show that we did with Madonna. And then I was like, this is a great song. I should actually release it. And then I just sent the track over, and then I had Sam Garfield create a really good track. Actually, the Booty track is really good. Sam Garfield did a very, very good job on that track. So, yeah, so I. I typically start with a concept, and I do have a few lyrics. Like. Like, I remember some of the looks I had from Bitch Like Me was like,

[Monet X Change]

More.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

More late nights than a nigga named Jimmy was. It was a line I've wanted to

[Caller/Listener]

say for a long time.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I just really love that line, which I feel like no one ever gets it.

[Monet X Change]

I didn't get. I had to ask you. I was like, more late nights than. What does that mean? You're like. And then you Explain it. I was like, oh, that's very clever. But I didn't get it at first.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

And then also, like with the song Gay Bars, I just really wanted to highlight a bunch of queer rappers that I really enjoy. So I reached out to rappers who I just like. Like, I love Ocean Kelly. I love Camera Time. I love Alex Miller. I like Mikey Grande. I love Mikey Grande. So we just, I just got them together and said, let's just do a cipher. I said, love, I love them all. I like. So let's just do a cipher where we're all just going bar for bar and just showing how great these queer rappers are. Which is interesting because as a lot of people, I saw a comment very common on the thread on the YouTube video, which is like, I came here to make fun of this, but it's actually really slaps. And I was like, yeah, the fuck

[Monet X Change]

Gay Bars. Gabbers, Gabers.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Yeah, of course. Gabriel. Yeah, let's do another question.

[Monet X Change]

Yeah, one more or maybe two more?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

One more, two more.

[Caller/Listener]

Damn.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Monet said she had enough from y'. All.

[Caller/Listener]

Hi, Bob and Monet. My name is Jay and I'm a 28 year old transgender man moving back to Queens after not having lived there since I was a teen. I'm excited to start my independence, integrating myself into gaynetlife and just having the kind of fun I always wanted but never really got to experience. However, I'm nervous about being a non passing trans man in gay male spaces. I know that passing isn't the end all be all of transitioning, but I know that I look more androgynous for now and people clock me constantly. It makes me feel super dysphoric. I'm scared of being unwelcome in those spaces for being a guy with a pussy. I think of maybe sticking mostly to T4T or trans centered spaces to avoid that, but I don't want to limit myself either. What do y' all think? I'm a longtime listener, so thank you very much for everything you both do. Love you both. Bye.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Where'd he say he was moving to?

[Monet X Change]

New York City.

[Caller/Listener]

Queens.

[Monet X Change]

Queens, New York City.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Got it. You know, when I was coming up in the New York City nightlife scene, there were two specific trans men who were, who were pretty popular actually. And one of them was particularly passing and one of them was a little less passing, especially in the, in the early stages of, of his transition. I mean, they were also. They were not the same age. They were, they were not the same age, these two. And one of them had also been in nightlife, presenting as a girl, quote, unquote, for a few years, and then, you know, came into their own. And I know that he was friends with a lot of drag queens, like, he was friends with a lot of drag queens, and I think he was dabbling in drag a little bit too, for a while, actually. But I will encourage you to go to queer spaces. Like, and not just gay spaces, but specifically queer spaces. And if you don't know the difference, I mean, the best way I can describe it to you is gay is just like mostly CIS gay men, and it typically tends to be relatively white. Now, I'm not saying queer spaces don't still be white, because they do. But there's a lot more gender fluidity and a lot more understanding of the nuance that goes into gender identity, the politics of gender, and they tend to be more accepting. Now, I'm not saying that the queer spaces are not messy because they are messy, baby. There is no place where. Where are going to convene where they will not be mess. That's just kind of how we be.

[Monet X Change]

You know what I mean?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Whether we are the most well intended or not. But I would say that try to stick. Try to stick to places, especially Brooklyn. Brooklyn is a place where they will.

[Caller/Listener]

These.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

These will fight someone who misgenders you.

[Monet X Change]

Yeah, I was gonna. Yeah, I agree. I was like, you might want to try. Start hanging out in Brooklyn first. Because Brooklyn, it just feels a little more queer than places like Hell's Kitchen, which leans very white and gay, which is just gay men and white dudes. So Brooklyn is a little more alt and there are a little more identities and expressions in the nightlife in Brooklyn. To my experience now, again, I have not lived in New York for going on three years now. So maybe that's different or things have changed. Times surely have changed. But I would say Brooklyn's your best bet. Like, go to, like, Metropolitan and like, hang out there on a Friday, Saturday night. Those are good places. And you see a very. You see a wide array of different people, trans women, trans men, lots of different ethnicities as well. So I would say Brooklyn's your best baboon, for sure.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

And there's also lots of. There's these. I've noticed that a lot of trans people tend to make connection at these, like, strip parties. There's one here in this. Yeah, it's like. It's like a trans stripper show where all the strippers are trans. There's one here in New York in la. There's One here in LA that happens down at DTLA and it's called like, it's called like Jose or it's called like Jav. It's, it's some name. The name is like the, the name of the party is like a masculine like Latino name like Javier or, or Jose or, or I talk about Portage. No, no, it's like, it's like Javier or Porter. How is Port Detroit a Latino masculine name?

[Monet X Change]

No, because I'm saying it wrong. But it's, it's a, it's, it's, it's a Spanish name for a party that happens monthly in la.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

No, no, no, it's down in DTLA and I can't think of the name of it, but anyway. And then also there's, there's also like specific parties that are. You got to look for the, for the promoters who make parties that are not just for white gays, you know, I mean you got to find the promoters who make those kind of parties. I don't know if Mary Cherry's still doing party, but she was doing some really popular queer parties for a hot while. So is a reefy royalty throws a lot of queer parties that are, that are great. Fran Torado throws some great queer parties.

[Monet X Change]

There's also Fairy Tale Lounge, which is a bar in this thing. I know traditionally it's been typically trans women, but there have been trans men there as well. So maybe that's also a good place to start if you, if you're, if you are venturing into Manhattan, starting out at Fairy Tale Lounge.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Now maybe to be fair, Fairy Tale Lounge is a hookup spot. This is where chasers go to get trans women, typically speaking.

[Monet X Change]

And some trans men as well.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

They do as well. Do the girls work there?

[Monet X Change]

I've. I've tiptoed into Fairy Tale Lounge before

[Bob the Drag Queen]

and you see the guys in there making dollars too. Oh, work. I haven't. I've been a Fairy Tale Lounge in years. You like? I remember when it first opened before it became the, like the trans hookup spot.

[Monet X Change]

Yeah.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

And there used to be this go go boy who used to work there, who, who ended up being kind of like. I don't know, he just kind of like faded away from nightlife and he was really jacked. He was like either light skinned black or dark skinned Latin. And he ended up with these like, he had, he got like a couple like face tattoos. I don't know who, I can't remember his name.

[Monet X Change]

Do you know who's a hot bartender? I was always obsessed with Dorian from Therapy, you know Dorian Dorian. No, Dorian Dorian. I don't know. I don't want to say his. I mean, it's on his Instagram. Dorian Lamar. Black guy from therapy. He was.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

He was.

[Monet X Change]

He was always upstairs. Well, not always upstairs, but he would. He worked on Wednesdays. Maybe it was after your time though, after you left.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I'm looking him up. You're talking.

[Monet X Change]

Yeah. I was obsessed with Dorian. I thought. Dorian, Dorian. D O R I E N dot L A M A R. Dorian Lamar. Dorian is so beautiful and he's so smart. He's very funny. Who was obsessed with Dorian? Still am. And Tim Cupid. Tim Cupid was also a very hot bartender. You probably know him too. He was really into. Huh.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Who's Tim Cupid?

[Monet X Change]

Timothy. He worked. He's. He used to be at. He used to be at the Ritz a lot. His Instagram is Tim underscore Cupid.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Oh. His private.

[Monet X Change]

So is.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

He can't see. He's like. Yeah, he looks like he's like Italian or something. I don't.

[Monet X Change]

He's one of you. I can't tell if he's. If he's black and white or just a white guy that looks a little ethnic. I don't know.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

No, they were definitely not there when I was there. And you know, I. I didn't really have any crushes on any bartender really. But also I also wasn't at the bar. Like I never look up. I would pop in to get a Red Bull and I would like leave. I mean, I was friends. I was friendly with some bartenders for sure. You know what I mean?

[Monet X Change]

Also, Wade was hot.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Wade. Yeah. Wade is very cute. Wade is very, very cute. Wade has such soft hands. I just remember thinking that Wade had really soft hands.

[Monet X Change]

Yes. And you know the other bartender that was. Used to be hacking?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Yeah, I remember him. Yeah. His penis was gigantic. Probably still is. Probably still is to this day. And he would show you if you ask him. If you. If you didn't even have to ask. You would end up seeing it somehow.

[Monet X Change]

I never saw it. I was. I never saw it.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Yeah, well, he. He would show you. You gota. You got to catch him in one of his. You know, he used to get. He used to get twisted too.

[Monet X Change]

Turn girl. Tickety turn girl.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Hickory dickory doc. He got turned that big floppy ding dong would. Would always make a. Make an appearance girl. There it is.

[Monet X Change]

I. I guess I was never in the right place at the right time, girl. Cuz I didn't. I ain't. And I always Wanted to, though I was. I would always stick around, like, oh, oh, yeah. D is a so strong.

[Caller/Listener]

I can't.

[Monet X Change]

I can.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Crazy girl. They so strong, honey. This. This crazy.

[Monet X Change]

She needs to lean in. I don't know how Q is receiving that.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

She does not need to lean in. She.

[Monet X Change]

No, not saying it, but she needs to, like, make fun of herself. I don't know. I don't know. She's at home. Like, I can't believe these girls are doing this. This hurt my feelings. She just needs to, like, laugh with all of us about it.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

She's an. Upload a video of her going, this is actually my real hair. I actually just pulled it up into a ponytail just today, actually. So, yes, this is my real hair.

[Monet X Change]

Yeah. But I have a feeling she's not.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

That would be the funniest video if she did that. Believe it or not, this is actually my real hair. Yeah, I just. I just pulled it up into a little updo, and I think it looks really good.

[Monet X Change]

My favorite one I've seen is QS Madison, and that should. Sent me into orbit.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

They call it Qisha. It always sends me

[Monet X Change]

QS Madison.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

That's crazy.

[Monet X Change]

I saw QS Madison and I lost it. I was. I was literally flown into orbit. I couldn't contain myself.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

No, think about all the. All the wonderful. You know how I used to have a huge crush on who back in the day was T Boy, the dj?

[Monet X Change]

Yeah. Two more times.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

People used to get for peppermint. I used to be obsessed with T Boy. Oh, my God. I used to think T Boy was like, it. I was like, I'm gonna convince this. This man to wife me up, honey. Did not work.

[Monet X Change]

Yeah.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Oh, my God.

[Monet X Change]

I'm in New York.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Nightlife.

[Monet X Change]

Your nightlife was just full of so many characters. Like, I think about it, like now, you know, I'm so far removed from it, but nightlife, I'm sure nightlife, whenever city, there are so many characters, but New York, there's just so many people. And I worked at, like, four different bars. And just like, all the politics of all the bars and all, like, the inner working. The nightlife was so crazy, but I'm so happy.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Was that around for Lady Blue or that before your time?

[Monet X Change]

I don't know who Lady Blue even is.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

That was before your time. Yeah. Lady Blue was this Dr. I probably shouldn't say her name, but anyway, she was this drag queen who was pretty popular.

[Monet X Change]

She was pretty.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

She's like one of the. One of the early Brooklyn queens, like, with dorgy and Misty. Misty Meaner, Mocha Light and Backspace and Azrea Leopold. But one night, she just vanished. Like, she just vanished. Like, we never saw her again. But it was around the time of filming Drag Race. Like, damn. Lady Booze on Drag Race. This is crazy. Lady booze on Drag Race.

[Monet X Change]

This is.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Is wild. And then we found out that she, like, either her or her partner tried to, like, stab one or the other, and then, like, ended up getting arrested and then, like, moving to Florida. It was a whole thing.

[Monet X Change]

Interesting. No, allegedly, there weren't any disappearing acts around my time. No one. That never happened to anyone.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

But you don't remember, like, some of the cr.

[Sponsor/Ad Voice]

There were.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

You remember there were some disappearing acts. Like, Like, Lexi Thomas.

[Monet X Change]

Oh, yeah. Alexi Thomas did. Girl, you cannot tell that Alexis Thomas was not. Like, she, like, she was. She was the next it girl. Everyone, like, oh, her makeup was stunning. She was a great performer. She was beautiful. She had great looks.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Like.

[Monet X Change]

Like, oh, she's gonna be on Drag Race soon. And then she just disappeared. She went back home to South Carolina.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Some of the names. But also, this is during the time where we were all on Facebook, y'. All. We were not on Instagram. We were not on TikTok. So our. So a lot of these drag queens had one name, but they're. But they. They had. So there's a great. Like, a drag queen named, like, Epiphany. Her name was just Epiphany. But because you had to have a last name, her name became Epiphany. Get paid. And there's a queen named Chandelier. But because you had to have a last name, her name became Chandelier, period. There's a queen named. There's a queen named Mahogany. But because. But because you had to have a lad that. Her name was Ma. Mahog. Mahog, Eddie. People used to call her Mahog. You remember Mahog? I remember Mahog.

[Monet X Change]

Girl. Yeah. That show was so annoying. Girl, I. The great. The great Facebook fucking name change went overnight. But we went to sleep.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

We all crawled from the bar one night and woke up the next day. Bitch.

[Monet X Change]

Our names full governments were on display.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Kevin Christopher.

[Monet X Change]

It was.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I said, okay.

[Monet X Change]

That was crazy.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

It was like, hey, Chris. I was like, jesus.

[Monet X Change]

It was crazy. Everybody's like, it's like, dming. Facebook. Facebook. Like, girl, like, it was.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

It was.

[Monet X Change]

I remember waking up to that. Everybody was gagged that they did that to us overnight. It was great.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Okay, first of all, Facebook. How did you know my name?

[Monet X Change]

Right?

[Sponsor/Ad Voice]

How?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Chris. I was like, this is. I was like, my friends don't even call me Chris.

[Monet X Change]

This is crazy. It was craz.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Yeah, that was. That was. Oh, my God. I really honestly miss a lot of my early New York City nightlife days. There were just so many characters, just, like, all the people. You remember that. That one drag queen, she used to always wear jeans. She used to dress very fish. Like, she would wear, like, jeans, like, a T shirt. And I think she was, like. She was South Asian of some sort. She was, like, Indian. Some sort of a brown Asian person. And she sang like an angel. Like, her voice was impeccable.

[Monet X Change]

I don't know who you're talking about. I couldn't remember.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I feel like peppermint. Remember her? I'm gonna see if I can call. Pep might answer. But yeah. And I remember being like this. This girl said her voice was crazy. It was. And then who was that one queen that came? Who? Summers. Something. Summers. She came and she was singing

[Monet X Change]

V. Summers.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Something with a V. Vanessa Summers. Venus Summers. She had a beautiful voice, too.

[Monet X Change]

She moved to Connecticut and she. She got. Oh, I'm gonna say. I'm gonna say that. Summers. Vita. Vita Summers.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Oh, Peps. Pep is not available.

[Monet X Change]

Vita Summers. She could sing. Vita could sing.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Yeah.

[Monet X Change]

Yeah. Vita could sing.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Those are some great singers from back in the day who were, like, known for their.

[Monet X Change]

The one that always sang a Mariah stuff. Or she looked like Mariah.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Wait, did she sing her or she looked like her?

[Monet X Change]

She sang Spooky Hilton.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Oh, my God. Spiky Hilton, which is such an offensive name.

[Monet X Change]

Oh. Because she's Latinx. I just got it.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Yeah, her name was Spiky Hilton.

[Monet X Change]

I just got it. Oh, my God.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Can we sing that? Because she used to sing with. With her drag mom who was. Who played our. Can I remember her name. Jackie played our mom. What? Jackie Dupree can.

[Monet X Change]

Y Sh.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Also. Also has a very beautiful voice.

[Monet X Change]

Beautiful voice.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Shut the up.

[Monet X Change]

Shut the up.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I saw Jackie Dupree recently when I went back.

[Monet X Change]

She's.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

She got real slim.

[Monet X Change]

Did she?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Yeah, she got real slim. But I didn't comment because I don't know why. I don't know why she got slim. So I. I probably shouldn't be saying it here. It's really not my business, but yeah, Jackie Dupree, she has a beautiful. Who are some of the other great singers? Oh, my God. There were some who were singing who didn't have no business singing, too.

[Monet X Change]

Would you like to acknowledge us, Monet?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Jesus Christ.

[Monet X Change]

People.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Other people. Let's make. Let's make. Let's make space for other people. We've already talked about your singing career multiple times this episode.

[Monet X Change]

Jasmine, right? Great singer.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Jasmine Rice has a beautiful voice. A beautiful voice who's. At one point, she was so theater. She was so Lauren Ordaire.

[Monet X Change]

Lauren or dear. Oh, my God. Chandelier, period, is an opera singer.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Chandelier? Yeah, Chandelier. You know, Chandelier says that Katy Perry wrote that song about her.

[Caller/Listener]

Really?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

You mean. You mean Chandelier is on the floor?

[Monet X Change]

I don't know that song. What song is that?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Hold on. Peppermint.

[Monet X Change]

You're on.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

You're on speakerphone. I'm doing the podcast. You're on speakerphone. I'm doing the podcast. I have a question. Thank you. Hello. Why are you talking to me? Oh, you're on speakerphone. I'm on the podcast. Do you remember that. That queen. She was like, a South Asian drag queen who used to wear, like, jeans and, like, T shirts, but she sang really beautifully, and she'd always come to cattle called Angelique Ali. I knew you would remember. Her voice was so stunning. Truly. All right, I'll call you back when I'm done podcasting. I love you so much.

[Monet X Change]

Angelique Ali. I'm finding her. She went to cuny, Queensborough. Oh, yeah, she's pretty. She's on Instagram and she's. Come on.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I mean, she would. She would literally pop up, like, every once in a while when she came. No one would win because her voice was like.

[Monet X Change]

Give me a comp for her voice. Like, what kind of, like, voice?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Think Ariana Grande, but not airy, but more solid. So kind of low key. Kind of like Mariah low key.

[Monet X Change]

Okay.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

And. But she would get up and she'd be like, my name's Angelique Ali. Like, in her, like a regular voice. You know what I mean? And then she would get up there and just sing. And, like, the voice was crazy. Oh, my God. Here's a duet between Spiky Hilton and Angelique Ali.

[Monet X Change]

Where'd you find this?

[Caller/Listener]

Okay.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I feel like this is not a good representation of her voice, but she sounds. I can hear it, though.

[Monet X Change]

All right.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Oh, my God. Back in the day. Oh, my God, Those days were so wild. And then Spiky Hilton's out of drag in the picture.

[Monet X Change]

Are you on Angelique Instagram?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

No, it's on. I just typed in Angela Galion on. On. On Facebook. And someone, some guy named Stephen, posted a video of her in 2008 with spiky Hilton singing Chain, Chain, Chain.

[Monet X Change]

Got it.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Or Chain of fools songs called Chain of Fools.

[Monet X Change]

Chain of Fools by Aretha Franklin.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

All right, all right. Mo. You might have. So just. You all know, if you're listening to this, this is the day that Monet and I are doing the Sibling rivalry live show for the Netflix is a joke festival. So Monet and I have some preparing to do.

[Monet X Change]

Yeah, more so, Bob. Cause he ain't been here.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Yeah. Cause I prepare my. I prepare before my gigs. You got me.

[Monet X Change]

Yeah, I do, too.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I don't wing it like you, honey.

[Monet X Change]

Team Monet.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Oh, winged honey.

[Monet X Change]

Team exchange. We got our shit together. Bob the Dragon. Bob the what?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

We'll see.

[Monet X Change]

Okay? We shall see.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

We'll see today, honey.

[Monet X Change]

You very soon.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I'll see you very soon. Bye.