Sibling Watchery: Drag Race All Stars S10 EP4 "Eight Ball"

Summary

Sibling Rivalry – Sibling Watchery: Drag Race All Stars S10 EP4 “Eight Ball”

Release Date: May 28, 2025
Hosts: Bob the Drag Queen & Naomi Smalls (Monét is absent this episode)

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Episode Overview

Bob the Drag Queen and Naomi Smalls break down episode 4 of RuPaul’s Drag Race All Stars 10, “Eight Ball.” Now in the “second bracket,” the duo revels in what they call the most exciting All Stars twist yet. They dissect the cast dynamics, the “Eight Ball” design challenge, runway looks, and all the drama, highlighting the standout personalities and television moments. Equal parts roast and reverence, this episode dives into why this season—especially this bracket—is rivalling the best in the franchise’s history.

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Main Themes & Key Insights

The Bracket Format and Season Dynamics

[01:09–03:27]

• Both hosts are obsessed with the All Stars bracket system and declare it “the best shakeup” yet.
• Bob: “This is better than All Stars 7. This is better than the all winner season!” [01:36]
• Naomi agrees, calling it especially entertaining, rivaling the iconic All Stars 2.

Favorite Casting Choices
[02:57–03:27]

• The placement of Tina Burner, Mistress Isabel Brooks, and Nicole Paige Brooks in one bracket is praised:
  • Bob: “Whoever decided to put Tina Burner and Mr. Isabel Brooks and Nicole Page Brooks in the same bracket—raises for everyone!” [02:57]
  • Naomi: “It's definitely below—” [referring to the legendary All Stars 2]

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Drag Queen Legacies & Evolution

Tina Burner’s Growth
[04:08–05:54]

• Bob discusses his long history with Tina Burner, calling her a “New York City icon” and hilariously “clinically insane.”
• Tina’s inventive Lip Synca-inspired mixes and reinvention in fashion and padding are spotlighted.
• Naomi asks if Tina has improved (“Have you seen, like, a ton of improvements?” [05:12]), and Bob recounts the community’s jokes about Tina’s early drag.

Nicole Paige Brooks – Nostalgia & Icon Status
[06:47–07:49]

• Naomi, a huge fan of Drag Race season 2, is giddy Nicole is “the exact same queen she was then.”
• Bob and Naomi banter about Nicole’s unapologetic style—no earrings, nails, or big lashes: “She go, ‘I love the way I look.’” [07:17]

Mistress Isabel Brooks – Chaos Incarnate
[07:32–08:28]

• Bob and Naomi hype Mistress as “some of the best TV” and a true “chaos demon.”
• Mistress should be “on every show”—including House of Villains and The Traitors.

The Bracket’s Alignment of Personalities
[10:09–10:25]

• Bob sorts queens using D&D-style alignments:
  • “Mistress is chaotic evil. Lydia is chaotic good. Nicole Page Brooks is chaotic neutral… these three on the same fucking bracket…” [10:14]

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Challenge Discussion: "Eight Ball"

[12:21–13:16]

• Queens receive balls with 8 items (fabric & materials) - must use all in their look.
• Naomi: “I love this challenge. It is so fun. It's so good.” [12:37]
• Bob floats his perennial “hot glue challenge” idea, wishing they’d ban sewing machines for a true test.

Sewing Skills, or Lack Thereof
[13:17–14:18]

• Naomi confesses never having used a sewing machine successfully: “I have not touched a sewing machine in my entire life.” [12:57]
• Bob recalls sewing for Bebe Zahara Benet post-Drag Race and being (uncredited) for dressmaking.

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Show Drama, Alliances & Queen Interactions

Lydia’s Anonymity
[14:32–14:39]

• The girls barely know Lydia, possibly a strategic advantage, but Bob believes Mistress’s rapid read takes that advantage away.

Mistress vs. Tina Burner
[33:11–34:41]

• Their rivalry intensifies over career credentials and DMs. Bob notes Mistress is “shredding” Tina and the tone shifts from playful to real when Tina gets upset. Naomi observes Mistress backs off when she senses Tina is actually mad.

Mistress & Nicole: Reading and Manipulation
[28:28–29:41]

• Both Nicole and Mistress are reading the other queens, but from different social angles.
  • Bob: “Nicole keeps saying she's not reading, but she is reading.” [29:28]
  • They speculate about Nicole’s repeated digs at Georges.

Alliance Talk
[20:46–21:12]

• Alliances are now openly discussed, a contrast with earlier Drag Race seasons.
  • Naomi: “I feel like that wasn’t even really a thing when I was on Drag Race.” [20:53]

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The Runway Review (“Eight Ball” Challenge Looks)

[34:50–52:39]
Hosts deep-dive into every look, giving both technical notes and T (see below).

RuPaul & Judges Looks

• Ru gets mixed reviews. Naomi: “This is an example of the wrong hair” [34:56] – wishes for a lighter updo.
• Michelle looks “Klaus Nomi,” TS Madison and Susanne Bartsch are praised.

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Individual Queen Runway Critiques

Georges

[35:38–37:15]

• Nicknamed the “leotard queen”, but this time it’s a dress.
• Naomi: “Definitely impressive for her… looks like there was a lot of work that went into it.” [36:22]
• Padding and corsets are discussed re: her body shape.

Kerri Colby

[39:02–39:47]

• Bob: “Her boobs look huge… she looks gorgeous; I just think it’s just doing too much.” [39:13]
• Naomi dislikes things “sitting on top of straight wigs.” [39:28]

Lydia Butthole Collins

[39:49–40:38]

• Both hosts drag her wig: “This wig is rotted.” [40:08] “Criminal” [48:10]
• Otherwise, they love the black, white, and neon color story and see the look as ‘pandering to Judges’ 80s obsession’—except for the headband.
• Bob: “She kept it on the whole time.” [40:12]
• Long tangent about headbands and their place in drag aesthetics.

Mistress Isabel Brooks

[44:25–45:41]

• Bob: “This look is practically flawless… Her padding looks right. Her body looks good. Her hair looks good.” [44:43]
• Naomi’s only minor note is the underskirt trim and how she negotiated the “eight items” challenge. Also, high praise for constructing a corset.

Nicole Paige Brooks

[47:04–48:32]

• Hosts are endeared by her, despite scathing runway notes.
• Bob: “What the fuck is going on on this day? This hair is crazy. This leotard is crazy.” [47:08]
• Naomi: “It's hard for me to hate it. I just love how iconic it is.” [47:38]
• Both roast her hair: “This wig is criminal… prison time.” [48:10–48:18]

Tina Burner (Runway Winner)

[48:50–51:24]

• Double rave: “Tina Burner ate this challenge… This coat is immaculate… This is the best outfit of the episode by a mile.” [48:50–49:13]
• Bob says it's “flawless,” credits her technical prowess and drag polish.
• A short aside: Tina fixed one of Bob’s complicated reveals in the past—shows her helpfulness and skill.
• Naomi: “She worked hard… this looks like you hired someone to make it for you.” [49:13–49:23]

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Notable & Memorable Quotes

• Bob: “This is better than All Stars 7. This is better than the all winner season!” [01:36]
• Bob (on Nicole): “She is a New York City icon. She is clinically insane.” [05:00]
• Naomi: “Nicole Paige Brooks being exactly the exact same queen she was then.” [06:53]
• Bob (on Drag Family Alignment): “Mistress is chaotic evil. Lydia is chaotic good, and Nicole Page Brooks is chaotic neutral.” [10:14]
• Naomi (on Mistress): “She is such a chaos demon. Yeah. And she loves it. She's so good at it.” [07:55]
• Bob (on hot glue challenge): “Remove all the sewing machines, we bring in hot glue guns and be like, now make it work.” [12:44]
• Naomi (about never sewing): “I have not touched a sewing machine in my entire life.” [13:17]
• Bob (on Tina Burner’s outfit): “This look is the best look by a mile. Is that the last one?” [52:39]
• Naomi (on Nicole’s look): “I do love that she’s naked… I just love how iconic it is.” [48:32]
• Bob (about Nicole’s wig): “This wig is prison time.” [48:17]
• Bob (on Drag Race at 21): “The fact that you go on a show at any age with no media training after is insane. So to be 21 with no media training, yes, it is madness.” [42:38]
• Naomi (on padding): “You have to have a waistline if you’re not going to do no pads.” [37:10]

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Memorable Moments

• Bracket Alignment Breakdown: Bob assigns D&D alignments to queens, setting the tone for how their chaos colors the competition dynamics [10:09–10:28].
• Sewing Confessions: Naomi honestly admits to being terrible at sewing, referencing middle school trauma. Bob recalls sewing for Bebe and the perils of queens who don't credit their seamstresses [13:17–14:18].
• Nicole’s Legacy: Her total confidence (despite the results) is seen as iconic, but Bob notes the difference between Mistress’s tongue-in-cheek confidence and Nicole’s dead-serious self-belief [25:42–26:09].
• Mistress Shredding Tina: The escalation from banter to real frustration when Tina takes Mistress’s barbs personally—drama at its best [33:11–34:41].
• Runway Gags: Extreme roasting of Lydia and Nicole’s wigs and Naomi using “prison time” for hair offenses [48:10–48:20].
• Runway Praise: Tina’s technical sewing prowess is universally lauded, earning “best look by a mile” [49:11–49:13].

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Judging and Outcome

[52:47–55:49]

• Mistress claims “I haven’t changed at all. I should have been crowned the first time. I’m literally flawless.” [52:47]
• Judges pan Nicole’s look. Tina and Lydia win the challenge, causing Mistress to fume (“she is so mad, so annoyed in that big fucking loofah” [53:15]).
• The lip sync to “Love Sensation” is discussed—Lydia wins, though neither host thinks either queen demolished it.
• Naomi doesn’t like when queens lip sync “at” each other, preferring individual performances [54:24–54:36].

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• Ep & Bracket Format Begins: [01:09]
• Bracket Cast Praise: [02:57]
• Tina Burner’s Evolution: [04:07–05:54]
• Nicole Paige Brooks Nostalgy: [06:47–07:49]
• Mistress Brooks TV Impact: [07:32–08:28]
• Personality Alignments: [10:09–10:25]
• Eight Ball Challenge Begins: [12:21]
• Sewing Confessions: [13:17]
• Alliances & Drama: [20:46]
• Tina Burner vs. Mistress Brooks Beef: [33:11]
• Runway Looks Begin: [34:50]
• Nicole Paige Brooks Wig “Criminal” Rant: [48:10]
• Tina Burner Runway Rave: [48:50]
• Mistress vs. Judging Reactions: [52:47]
• Lip Sync Outcome: [54:17]
• End of Runway Discussion: [55:49]

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Final Thoughts

This episode is a rollicking, reference-rich rundown of one of All Stars’ most dramatic brackets ever. Bob and Naomi bring a perfect blend of roast, reverence, and true queen insight. The runway critiques are as technical as they are hilarious. Tina Burner’s redemption and technical prowess is a highlight, Nicole Paige Brooks’ delusional confidence is celebrated, and the fractured, drama-filled bracket is held up as the best TV the franchise has seen in years.

If you want the Twitter beef and Untucked tea, check their Patreon—Bob and Naomi sign off promising even more bonus content.

Transcript

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[Bob the Drag Queen]

All right, everyone, welcome back to Sibling Watchery. My name is Bob the Drag Queen.

[Naomi Smalls]

My name is Naomi Small.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

See, I actually gave you an intro this time, like just bulldozing. And we were reviewing RuPaul's Drag Race All Stars 10 episode 4. We are now officially in the second bracket. And and I gotta say, whoever at World of Wonder came up with this bracket system. This is the best shakeup of RuPaul's Drag Race that I think I've ever seen.

[Naomi Smalls]

I agree. This is very entertaining.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I'm going to say it hot take. This is better than All Stars 7. This is better than the all winter season.

[Naomi Smalls]

Definitely better than All Stars 7.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

And it's kind of like see how

[Naomi Smalls]

it plays out as far as drama because I mean, obviously we love the drama. The competition

[Commercial Narrator]

even.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

What was the season? The season Angeria won had some great drag.

[Naomi Smalls]

Oh, All Stars 9.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

And I think it's obviously because they gave them the. Because there was no prize, right? So they had to pay the girls something. There was no prize. And I love good drag, but I love good TV more.

[Naomi Smalls]

For sure.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I can go see good drag down the street.

[Naomi Smalls]

You can open your phone and see the best.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I can my phone and see the drag. Good produced tv. This because they tried it with the charity thing, which is a nice little shake up. But the stakes were obviously so low. And with All Stars 7, the stakes were obviously low too, because no one's going home. These are fighting for their lives.

[Naomi Smalls]

They really are. I Mean, the fact that there's $200,000 on the line that they can actually have is fierce. The fact that it's such a short season, you really have nothing to lose. And then I just want to know, like, how they casted this. Did they cast it knowing which bracket is going to be? Or they casted it and then they were like, okay, let's put these in this bracket.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Well, whoever decided to put Tina Burner and Mr. Isabel Brooks and Nicole Page Brooks in the same bracket raises for everyone. I don't know who. I don't know if it was an intern.

[Naomi Smalls]

I don't know.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I don't know if it was Randy and Fenton. I don't know if it was RuPaul. I don't know if Michelle Passage had it saying this. I don't know who the fuck. I don't know if it was Mish. I don't know whose plan this was, but you need a raise. This is one of my favorite fucking seasons of All Stars. It is rivaling All Stars 2.

[Naomi Smalls]

It's definitely below.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

We'll see how it plays out. Yeah. All Stars 2 is peak.

[Naomi Smalls]

I know. And maybe I'm just saying that because it holds such a capsule in the history hall of fame of television, because

[Bob the Drag Queen]

before All Stars 2, we were like, all Stars is a joke, right? No, shade. All Stars 1, we were like, it's a joke. Why would you even go on All Stars, right? But whoever put Alyssa Edwards behind that mirror to cook up Jeremy, when she said trust the Duchess, like, that was just peak tv.

[Naomi Smalls]

If you want to be a bad about a. Be about. About a bitch girl.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

It's such. Oh, my God, it's so good. That being said, we've already discussed the opening looks. I have a few notes here and there. I'm. I. I'm happy to see Tina Burner back on tv.

[Naomi Smalls]

Yeah, you are.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I honestly think she's kind of a flawless drag queen. She.

[Naomi Smalls]

You go so far back with her.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I. I've known tina for, like, 16 years.

[Naomi Smalls]

Like, do you know Monet for the same amount of time or.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

No, I've known Tina Burner longer.

[Naomi Smalls]

I've known him when. That is crazy.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Yeah.

[Naomi Smalls]

Like, that's actually crazy.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I've known Tina Burner back from competing with her at Peppermint competition with Star Search where Tina Burner came in. She got popular in New York City because of this. She did this mix. She kind of rebroad back the megamix like these, like, spoken word mixes. Lip Synca made it very popular in New York City. And then it kind of died out. And then Tina Burner brought back this, like, mix with, like, the lyrics and the words and the monologues and the 19 different songs, each song leading into another thing. She did this one of the Jesse Spano. Jessie Spanner was from Saved by the Bell. I'm so excited. I'm so excited. I'm so scared. She made this whole thing. She re brought that back to New York City. She is a New York City icon. She is clinically insane.

[Naomi Smalls]

Have you seen, like, a ton of improvements from not only her past season, but, like, early Tina to now?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Here are some pictures of Tina Burner when she's. When I. When I used to. When I tell you, I don't even. Actually, they might not be. She may have scrubbed the Internet after mistress bullied her with that picture of her with the rainbow wig on.

[Commercial Narrator]

Morning.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Tina Burner was a mess. Like, Tina Burner was like, we all. We all called her. Like, we all say she was shaped like a slice of dollar pizza. Big shoulders. She used to not pad at all.

[Naomi Smalls]

Crazy.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

She has a very low hairline in real life, so her hairline would be, like, all the way down here because she has, like, a thick head of actual human hair. So we all said she had a two head. Like, Tina was a mess.

[Naomi Smalls]

That is one of those things that is, like, so hard to fix your drag around. Yeah. It's crazy because it's obviously something that you want, like, if you, you know, if you want. If you.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

If you're into conventional beauty standards.

[Commercial Narrator]

Wow.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

In my own house.

[Naomi Smalls]

But yeah, you can't glue that down.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I mean, some people, like, glue that. Some people do glue their hairlines and then put makeup over it.

[Naomi Smalls]

But to go from, like, yeah, more than a centimeter is crazy.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

But Carrie Kobe, like, has she grown visually her fashion? Fashion wise?

[Naomi Smalls]

I think her, like, beauty has definitely turned.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Turned up a little bit.

[Naomi Smalls]

Yeah. Carrie, Colby. Stunning. This. I think this is my favorite look I've seen from her in a while.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

She looks great.

[Naomi Smalls]

Yeah.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

And then Nicole was talking about how she can still fit into her clothes from 16 years ago.

[Naomi Smalls]

I am so happy as someone who season two is just my favorite season of Drag Race. And I, like, love everything of that time. Just Nicole Page Brooks being exactly the exact same queen she was then.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Now her not wearing earrings or nails, ascending me or.

[Naomi Smalls]

Or was she even wearing lashes?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Like, if she was, they were so tiny.

[Naomi Smalls]

Yeah.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

But she go, I love the way I look.

[Naomi Smalls]

Yeah. I still look like myself. I don't need to Change my face.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

NPB F A G F A G. From Atlanta, Georgia, iconics, Mistress Isabel Brooks.

[Naomi Smalls]

Isabelle Brooks, a drag queen.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

She might be some of the best TV her plane. Jane Corey King, Kandy Kandy Muse, Tamisha Iman. They just make such. The fact that Mistress Isabel Brooks is not on every show. She should have been on House of Villains.

[Naomi Smalls]

She should be traitors.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

She should be on the Traitors. She is such a chaos demon.

[Naomi Smalls]

Yeah. And she loves it. She's so good at it.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

And she doesn't take it personally. No. Until. Well, actually, I don't know that she does. The girl that she's up against, like, when she was going toe to toe with the. The twins.

[Naomi Smalls]

No. She, like, didn't she adopt them, but

[Bob the Drag Queen]

now they don't with her.

[Naomi Smalls]

Oh, okay.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

And same with Baby Doll Fox.

[Naomi Smalls]

Oh, they don't.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Oh, Baby Doll Fox does not think it's funny. Like, Mistress be laughing in Malaysia's, like, this is not funny.

[Naomi Smalls]

Well, there are just some people who do not want to have that joke. They don't want to, like, continue the joke like that.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Oh, yeah, for sure.

[Naomi Smalls]

That's like, I'm not playing. Especially when it gets to the online world.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I remember one time you and me were in Minneapolis, Minnesota, and one of my friends from years ago, her name was Carly. Carly came to see me.

[Naomi Smalls]

Redhead. Redhead, yeah. I remember.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

And you kept, like, like, nagging her. Oh, was I? Like, you didn't even. You did not even know her. And she was like, she has a thick. I mean, a. Oh, no.

[Naomi Smalls]

Thick.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

North Dakota. Like, a super thick North Dakota accent. And she was like, oh, my God, Naomi smiles. It's so great to see you. And you were, like, ill. No, I was not. No, there's no way.

[Naomi Smalls]

Okay.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

She laughed. And you're like, I'm not joking. You kept it going for, like, maybe, like, longer than it should have gone. And you eventually were like, I'm just kidding. But she was like, oh, my God. Does Naomi not like me?

[Naomi Smalls]

23? I think I was 23, maybe 22.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

God, honestly, I was living. I thought it was so fucking funny.

[Naomi Smalls]

Oh, wow. I remember the red hair. I did not remember that. I roasted her ass for her.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Boy, but you remember that she had red hair.

[Naomi Smalls]

I do remember she had red hair.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

So they find out that their challenge is gonna be they have these. They get these big eight balls.

[Shannon Maldonado]

Wait.

[Naomi Smalls]

And we have to go through all the girls.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Oh, I mean, I didn't take many looks. Already talked about everyone. Unless you had something else you want to talk about.

[Naomi Smalls]

No,

[Shannon Maldonado]

no.

[Naomi Smalls]

I mean, George, this is already back, which is so crazy.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I mean, George's already back. Lydia's already back.

[Naomi Smalls]

Right? Lydia's already back. So crazy.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

That's kind of insane.

[Naomi Smalls]

It is wild, but also, like, I don't see any reason for them to say no.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Yeah. I mean, she's great tv.

[Naomi Smalls]

Yeah, for sure. Especially this season.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Cuz she's kind of like a chaotic

[Naomi Smalls]

good Georgeous or Lydia.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Lydia, Mistress is a chaotic evil. Okay, here it is. Mistress is chaotic evil. Lydia is chaotic good, and Nicole Page Brooks is chaotic neutral.

[Naomi Smalls]

Chaotic neutral.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Like she's chaos and she has no agenda.

[Naomi Smalls]

Yes.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

And Lydia's chaos, but she wants to be good and Mistress is chaos and she wants to be bad.

[Naomi Smalls]

Yes.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

And these three on the same fucking bracket is. Bracket one was good. Bracket two is making bracket one look like it was boring.

[Naomi Smalls]

I feel like this was like very strategic the way that they premiered this. Like, this is the season. This is the bracket. I think that's gonna like, keep us watching all the way to the end.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Yeah. Yes. I'm kind of nervous for the next break because it can't be this good. There's no way bracket three is going to be this interesting. It's insane. But that being said, RuPaul comes in and tells the girls that they're going to have a challenge. And the challenge is they get an eight ball. Wink, wink. They each get an. Have you ever done coke? I can't answer that question. I cannot ask you that question on camera.

[Naomi Smalls]

Have I ever done coke?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I've never done coke before.

[Naomi Smalls]

Never?

[Shannon Maldonado]

Never.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I got sober before coke was ever offered to me.

[Naomi Smalls]

That's crazy. I don't really like cocaine. I just love the smell.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

It just smells so good. I can't imagine you coking you probably coke before.

[Naomi Smalls]

Those things are just not really my forte. Yeah, not really into the nose.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

That makes sense. That makes sense. I think I would have done coke if I hadn't got sober so early. Yeah, I would have been a mess.

[Naomi Smalls]

It would have been crazy. I totally thought that's why you were sober.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Oh, because of coke?

[Naomi Smalls]

Yeah.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

No, just booze.

[Naomi Smalls]

Just booze.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

A little bit of computer duster, A little bit of.

[Naomi Smalls]

Wow.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

You ever done computer duster?

[Naomi Smalls]

I've used it.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

No, like you never huffed it?

[Naomi Smalls]

No.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

It's bad. Don't do it. Do not do it. I've lost something. I'll never actually. Oh, my God. Yes.

[Naomi Smalls]

Is that like kind of like what the people do with the whip?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

It's like whip it.

[Naomi Smalls]

Yeah. I've Done that.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Yeah. But computer dust is, like, on 10. I'm not bragging, and I'm not bragging either. I'm just admitting. I'm just admitting limitations over here, but it was years ago.

[Naomi Smalls]

It's a safe space.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Exactly. So they end these eight balls. They. They have eight different items. Fabric, trim, different accouterment that they have to. And they must incorporate all eight of the items into their outfit. And the judges are like, we will be counting.

[Naomi Smalls]

I love this challenge.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

It is so fun.

[Naomi Smalls]

It's so good.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I still think that they need to do a challenge, and I've been pitching this for years.

[Naomi Smalls]

The glue.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

The hot glue.

[Naomi Smalls]

Yes.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Have the. Have the. Have the pit crew come in, remove all the sewing machines, we bring in hot glue guns and be like, now make it work.

[Naomi Smalls]

Honestly, it would be great.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Didn't you hot glue your scarecrow outfit?

[Naomi Smalls]

Oh, my gosh. There was not. I have not touched a sewing machine in my entire life. No, actually, I mean, like, I tried to in, like, middle school, they tried to teach me, and my teacher just ended up making it because I was struggling so much. It was bad. Like, I'm bad at things that you have to be really, like, precise with. Precise with your hands. Like, I'm better at, like, this.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Yeah.

[Naomi Smalls]

But in my own special way.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Could you seem like you'd be, like, a really good, like, visual artist, but,

[Naomi Smalls]

like, I can't do that. I can't do a portrait.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I didn't do that.

[Naomi Smalls]

Yeah.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

We'll post a picture of what that is.

[Naomi Smalls]

Y' all know, but you know how to sell. You're like, I can sew. I remember, like, when they gave us the sewing challenge, you were, like, confident, like, yeah, yeah.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I'm not gonna. No one's gonna hire me to make their outfits or anything. That's not true. Actually, years ago, I actually made. I used to sew for BB's of Haribonay.

[Naomi Smalls]

Crazy. Before Drag Race.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Before I was on Drag Race. After she was on Drag Race, I used to sew her outfits, and then she would do this thing where she'd be like, she even did on Drag Race. I remember being so triggered seeing it on Drag Race because Aja made her that outfit. She was like, oh, no, you didn't make the outfit. You made a shell, which is where you make the whole dress, and then she stones it or has someone else like, like, gotcha. I was like, no, bitch, I made the outfit, and you sewn it. Like, I made that fucking dress. And then she had this. This documentary called, like, Kisses and feathers. And if you donate to it, she would, like, if you were her top donor, you would get. She would say she would give you one of her gowns.

[Naomi Smalls]

Okay.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

To give me the gown I made for her. I was like, I made that.

[Naomi Smalls]

Did you guys do a swap return? Kind of.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Yeah, we did. Yeah, we did. I was like, I made that.

[Naomi Smalls]

That just sounds so baby, though.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

It is the most baby thing of all time. So I don't think these girls know who Lydia is.

[Naomi Smalls]

No, they do not. Like, I feel like she. This happened before her season premiered. Right.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Like, I don't know the timeline, but it seemed like it must have because the way it aired, they were, like, four days apart.

[Naomi Smalls]

Would you think that is like a. A pro being Lydia or con being Lydia?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

It might be a pro because they don't know what to expect from her. They don't know what to look out for. They don't know how to exploit her weaknesses. Unless your mistress and you just know how to exploit everyone's weakness immediately. Like her. Yeah. Her thing is bullying people. She's very good at bullying, which I admire. Same. But, I mean, so. But yeah, they have no clue what to expect from her, so they don't know what to look out for, quite frankly. Which, I mean, I think it's also great. Tina and mistress are already at each other's necks, like, immediately. Because this rainbow picture.

[Commercial Narrator]

Yeah.

[Naomi Smalls]

I didn't see this coming, but whoa. Like, she got hot. I mean, that's the thing. Like, these girls who cannot take it, once it hits with the fans, they can take it in the dressing room or they can take it on Drag Race, but once the fans are chiming in and, like, saying, yes. You look so hideous in this photo. Yeah.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Because also, what's her name does that too. They.

[Naomi Smalls]

They post Kimchi. Sorry, Kim.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Kim said in a while.

[Naomi Smalls]

Oh, yeah, no, that's. That's old life. Old life. Oh, Cory.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Cory King. She will take a picture of someone that's bad and she'll post it on Twitter and be like, good morning, everyone. Or. Or it'll be like, going to get coffee. And it has nothing to do. It's just a. It's like. I think it's a thing that, like, the Gen Z girls do. Yeah, they just take a really bad picture of you. They post it online and they post a caption that has nothing to do with the bad picture of you.

[Naomi Smalls]

Yeah. Which is why I don't even think they tag you.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

No, they don't tag you. They just post a bad picture. Of you on Twitter and just say good morning. Yeah, and it was a bad picture of. Of Tina.

[Naomi Smalls]

I mean, it was on Gettysburg. It was. She was getting photographed.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

It wasn't like she posed for the picture.

[Naomi Smalls]

It wasn't a candid. Like her walking down the street, like, out of her apartment building. She posed for it and smiled.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

She went down. She looked down the barrel of the lens and went.

[Naomi Smalls]

We should, as a community, stop with the rainbow wigs.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Oh, I was saying this.

[Naomi Smalls]

I don't know where this photo is

[Bob the Drag Queen]

from, but we as queer people, we get to choose our family. No, we get to choose our flags. Obviously, they've been chosen for us. And the fact that queer people like us, our flags. Like, do y' all know the amount of work we have to do to. To actually, like, these hideous, ugly. They're ugly. The rainbow flag is ugly. The trans flag is ugly. The non binary flag is ugly. They're ugly flags. So the fact that we are, like, embrace them. Y' all don't know how much work we had to do to, like, put on these flags and wear them around town. I don't like to wear them very often. I have, like, two looks, rainbow looks that I've done before, like the rainbow reveal dress.

[Naomi Smalls]

Oh, yeah.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

But other than that, I don't like to do the rainbow.

[Naomi Smalls]

Somewhere over the rainbow.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Yeah, yeah.

[Naomi Smalls]

That was premier tour.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Oh, my God. New York City.

[Naomi Smalls]

I really like getting sewn into that or something.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Well, yeah, it was. It was like the first night then. Then I got a new one done that I wore on my birthday, like, years ago. Me, Kim, Violet.

[Naomi Smalls]

Oh, yeah, Ginger.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Were performing at the Beverly Center.

[Naomi Smalls]

Yes.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Yeah, that was a really fun gig. Mistress. I can already tell because Mistress, like, we're going to be the Brooks's. And I'm immediate. Like, she's about to do her dirty immediately. And I can tell also, it's clear to me that Nicole Paige Brooks does not watch RuPaul's Drag Race.

[Naomi Smalls]

No, does not. Does not at all. But she knows who these girls are, I think just from working. But, like, she does not, like, get it.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

She doesn't know their names. Like, everyone's. Everyone's Lydia to her. She has no clue who these bitches are. She does not know their names.

[Naomi Smalls]

She.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

And it's evident that she's about to trust mib. I know walking into her trap is crazy.

[Naomi Smalls]

It is so easy, though, with Mistress to feel like she's on your side.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

She's a manipulator.

[Naomi Smalls]

She's very good at it. She is Very, very good at it.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Yes.

[Naomi Smalls]

But I do think it takes one time and then you get it and you see it and you're like, okay, this is not going to be me again.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

We'll see.

[Naomi Smalls]

Yeah, we shall see.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

We shall. Well, girls, we shall see. And they're all gagging at Lydia. They're all gagging that Lydia made all of her clothes, but they haven't seen the.

[Naomi Smalls]

Right. Exactly. Exactly. And then, I don't know, she volunteered the information that her two design challenges. She was in the bottom.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Yeah, she didn't say that part. She was like, no, she was safe for two. Went home on one.

[Naomi Smalls]

Okay, gotcha.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

So, like, they. They did not. They were all like. You made all. Because Carrie was like, you made all your own looks. But that's crazy to say without seeing the looks, right? Because they saw the. They saw the. The.

[Naomi Smalls]

The potato sack.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

The potato sack look. Were they gagging?

[Naomi Smalls]

I don't think so.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I think her. But her drag is, like, intentionally a little shabby.

[Naomi Smalls]

I would say so. Yes. It's supposed to be eclectic.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Yeah. It works for her, though. Kinda. Maybe I'm just so used to seeing it.

[Naomi Smalls]

Maybe it's just like, there are times, I think, when she looks very streamlined, then sometimes because she's so small, sometimes I'm like, you look like you're just wearing everything. She does, like, every single thing.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

And we're gonna get to that.

[Naomi Smalls]

Yes.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

And we're gonna. We're gonna get there, honey.

[Naomi Smalls]

But respect the fact, like, there is no growth. Like, it's literally from. I mean, yes, there's growth because she did drag race. She went to. She went to, like, boot camp and back to camp.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

But is there.

[Naomi Smalls]

There was no premiere tour. There was no, like, is there growth? I think. I think, yes. I think the fact that she spent time. That much time in front of a camera with other drag queens, I think her.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

But she didn't even get to watch it.

[Naomi Smalls]

That's true.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

She didn't even get to see herself.

[Naomi Smalls]

That's why I'm saying all she did was like, the boot camp.

[Commercial Narrator]

Yeah.

[Naomi Smalls]

She didn't do, like, the whole, like, processing it.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

She didn't reflect on it. She didn't go through the fan experience,

[Naomi Smalls]

touring, none of that. That's crazy.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

That's kind of insane.

[Naomi Smalls]

I know. It's. It's amazing that she can hold her own, though.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

And I think it's reflected in that wig. She were on the Runway.

[Naomi Smalls]

Well, we'll get to that.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

And we're going to. We're going to work on. I get to that. So they're all, like, showing their outfits. I'm really gagged that Carrie is just out loud talking about the alliances.

[Naomi Smalls]

I know. Yeah. Alliances are meant to be, like, kept behind closed.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Do you have any alliances?

[Naomi Smalls]

No, I. I feel like that wasn't even really a thing when I was on Drag Race.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Yeah.

[Naomi Smalls]

There was no need for an alliance back then.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I mean, y' all were like, voting each other because. Because Latrice and Manila Loki had an alliance. Like, low key.

[Naomi Smalls]

Yeah, I guess. Yeah.

[Shannon Maldonado]

Yeah.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Well, not that it helps.

[Naomi Smalls]

I mean, they came in and cuffs

[Bob the Drag Queen]

now that it helped. So Tina did not win any maxi challenges her season, which I remember, which is great. I. I actually thought Tina did a pretty good job her season.

[Naomi Smalls]

The Eliza Minnelli one. She got robbed.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I agree.

[Naomi Smalls]

She got fully robbed because they couldn't see her mouth when she did like a. When she laid on the floor or something. Something like that.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

They were trying to. They were, they were. They were low key. Trying to give her that Jan. That Jan edit where the. Where like, she does a good job. Me, like, nah, yeah, we just don't like you.

[Naomi Smalls]

That must suck. That must suck because you have like, literally everyone that you know being like, oh, no, you ate that. And then the gray haired girl is like, is Rue.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

The gray haired girl?

[Naomi Smalls]

The other girl, the gray hair streak.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Oh, Michelle. You know, calling Michelle the gray hair girl is crazy. Is nasty work. Is it nasty work?

[Naomi Smalls]

Gray hair.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

So during the walkthroughs, Nicole gets up in front of all these cameras. It's also clear that I don't think Nicole has a ton of respect for RuPaul either. Like, it's not that you have respect, but, like, she just. I think Nicole views everyone as her equal. She's like, she's. I think Nicole sees RuPaul's like, I'm just like you.

[Naomi Smalls]

I think that RuPaul was probably doing gigs in Atlanta at the same places that Nicole was also doing gigs.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I mean, probably RuPaul started drag in the 80s and Nicole started dragging the 90s.

[Naomi Smalls]

Right.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

So there's about a 10, 15 year difference. RuPaul is 65. 64. 64. But. But Nicole is 54 years old. Yeah, she is 54 years old.

[Naomi Smalls]

I. I'm guessing that when RuPaul was probably doing like, touring, like, gigging out.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Yeah.

[Naomi Smalls]

Like doing gigs. Like, Nicole was either backstage or there. Yeah, like, she was. She was present.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Cuz she used to do gigs with Sherry vine and sherry vine is 60.

[Naomi Smalls]

Okay.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Yeah. 60 years old.

[Naomi Smalls]

Who Rue or Sherry Vine. Rue used to do gigs of sherry vine.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

So RuPaul used to do gigs and hire Sherry vine to, like, gotcha. Be one of the queens. So she. I think, I think Sherry vine was on the RuPaul show and she, like, used to perform with RuPaul back in the day. But like, like wig, sock and stuff like that. But she was not, like, doing like, Like, I think she. I mean, she's a little younger than RuPaul. Maybe a couple years, but yeah. And also, like, Shaquita used to do a few gigs. RuPaul here and there. Like RuPaul. I don't know if you remember this. RuPaul did a version of RuPaul's Drag Race on Ricki Lake.

[Naomi Smalls]

Oh, really?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Years ago, where a bunch of queens came up and competed to win this little pageant on an episode of Ricky Lake. And Shaquita won that episode.

[Naomi Smalls]

No, that doesn't track because Mimi M. First came up with Drag Race.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

This is true. That is true. She created it. She's one of the most controversial queens in the history of. She's. Can I say that you said a what?

[Naomi Smalls]

Oh, well, yes.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Well, yeah, I think, I think to do all that.

[Naomi Smalls]

Yeah, I think to do drag, period, you have to be kind of crazy. But yeah, she's got a little more than a scope.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Yeah, more than a little. But she. But she says she sits up there and 30 years can't. She has sewn her first outfit.

[Naomi Smalls]

Nicole.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Yeah. Made her first outfit in 30 years. How many outfits do you think you've made? Were they all on Drag Race?

[Naomi Smalls]

Yes, for sure.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

You not made anything since Drag Race?

[Naomi Smalls]

Like, made. I've definitely edited and styled and all

[Bob the Drag Queen]

that, but, like, got fabric and then, like, made an outfit from scratch that was not done on tv.

[Naomi Smalls]

I've only done two. And they were both on Drag Race. The paper ball. Uh huh.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

You don't have any design. He had no design challenges your season. No, that's also.

[Naomi Smalls]

That's when they were like, bring your makeovers.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

That's. You are the Nicole Paige Brooks.

[Naomi Smalls]

I'm very Nicole Paige Brooks. I think Kim actually called me Nicole Paige Brooks, like, back in the day. And I'm like, watching her and I'm like, that's mother.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Kim, look, he ate. Kim, look, he ate. And then her name is on TikTok. Kimchi eats. And she ate honey, she ate. Nicole Bridge book says something is so funny. Nobody's on my level.

[Naomi Smalls]

And I truly think she believes that and I truly think you should have that mentality. When you're going into Drag Race.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

But only thing is, no shade. She doesn't really have, like, MiB has the same mindset, but MiB kind of backs it up. She's aware, and Nicole doesn't really back it up. And I think that. I really think Mistress is saying it a little tongue in cheek. Mistress is like, I'm perfect. I should have won.

[Naomi Smalls]

Yeah.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I don't think she actually.

[Naomi Smalls]

Yeah, she's like. She's like, pause for a. Like. Yeah.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Pause for laughter.

[Naomi Smalls]

Yeah.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

And. And Nicole's like, no, seriously.

[Naomi Smalls]

No.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

There's literally no one on my level.

[Naomi Smalls]

Oh, you don't like my hair? Well, I love my hair.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Well, I love it. I think it's perfect, and I'm not gonna change it. You guys. You. Which is partly iconic, but, like, I

[Naomi Smalls]

know it's not good for a competition to. Well, I don't know. It's good for a competition because you really want to go into everything. Like, I am the best. But in a competition, you also have to be very aware of your surroundings and very, like, adaptable in a way.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

But sometimes being open to critiques is. That's how Derrick Berry got in that eyebrow situation. She should have kept her fucking eyebrows.

[Naomi Smalls]

True that. Okay, well, we all did tell her to do it, too.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

This is true.

[Naomi Smalls]

That was. Our alliance.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Is lit, bullying Derek Barry? Is Lydia trying to fuck another drag queen?

[Naomi Smalls]

She is, like, presenting hole to Tina. Like, she was, like, on her workroom station. Like.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Like, she's horny. Yeah, she is fucking horny.

[Naomi Smalls]

But maybe this is her, like, tactic.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Yeah, she just. She spots a big man, and it's like, I will give you a little bit of hole if you, like, just cuddle me and tell me nice things.

[Naomi Smalls]

Yeah.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Because on her season of Drag Race, it wasn't even for anything. Right. It was just for love.

[Naomi Smalls]

It was for love. I think it actually was.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Yeah. And she's like, but I can't. I'm. She didn't say, I'm taking. But she's like, I'm. I already did this with. With Carrie.

[Naomi Smalls]

Corey King.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Corey King. And, like, now I'm just hearing myself. My niece. My. My. My sweet little niece Carrie Corey King.

[Naomi Smalls]

Crown it.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

If he's on the Pit Stop, Monet said Corey Colby. Oh, as a. As an accident or.

[Naomi Smalls]

As an accident.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Yeah, it's her name. Carrie King. Corey King. Carrie Colby. It's hard.

[Naomi Smalls]

Sally Sells.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Yeah, it's very that. Yeah, very that. Also, Carrie can't sew.

[Naomi Smalls]

No, clearly. Absolutely. Clearly. But, like, I also get it, like, Sewing is so hard.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

It's. But you have to. But also. But you've never really flopped on a design challenge.

[Naomi Smalls]

No, but I do think, like, design challenge is different than, like, sewing challenge. If there was a sewing challenge, I would have done poorly. But if it was a. If you just can make your vision

[Bob the Drag Queen]

happen, if you applied yourself to design, you'd probably be a really sickening, like, construction person because, like, you made two outfits. They were both very well received. Did you win both? You won with the scarecrow.

[Naomi Smalls]

Yeah. I mean, Kim ate us up at the ball.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

What happened?

[Naomi Smalls]

The paper ball came at us. Up with the paper.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Oh, Cam won that one.

[Naomi Smalls]

Yeah, but chichi could have won, too.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Yeah, but you also. You could have. And then RuPaul wore the look the next season. Copy paste.

[Naomi Smalls]

That's what I'm saying. It's more about design. It's more about making, like, your image come to life than it is about sewing on Drag Race.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I'm just gagged that with. With literally no construction skills or history at all, you made two outfits that were both very well received. And if you applied yourself, you'd probably be like, the fucking. Who's a girl, Q? Or, you know, they'd be making these crazy outfits for sure.

[Naomi Smalls]

That's my hair.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

This might really. I know she probably cannot stand this.

[Naomi Smalls]

This is a wig. So,

[Bob the Drag Queen]

okay, in the workroom, mistress is shredding. Shredding these girls. I know, Mitchell's and Nicole, but they're doing it from different angles. Like, Nicole keeps saying she's not reading, but she is reading.

[Naomi Smalls]

What does she have against George's?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I don't know.

[Naomi Smalls]

Like, does she see. Does she view her as, like, the ingenue in the room that, like, I gotta peg down a bit?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Or does she pick on the tiny one because. Or is it. She says she likes it. It's just like, I like you, so I make fun of you. Is it that thing?

[Naomi Smalls]

It's like your friend from Nebraska. North Dakota.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Damn. Carly. Carly. I just want you to know that I don't condone this level of bullying.

[Naomi Smalls]

I remember having a lot of fun. I think she was there the night.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

No, it ended up being fun.

[Naomi Smalls]

Okay. She was there the night with the boyfriend in the photo booth. That's where we were, Right?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Yeah. Minneapolis.

[Naomi Smalls]

Yes, yes, yes, yes.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

You have a really good memory.

[Naomi Smalls]

I thought.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

But you were shredding her. Shredding Carly. She's like, oh, what's going on? I'm obsessed with you. So they get in a sewing, right? So RuPaul is basically clocking Nicole for wearing what she wore on the entrance. And then she just. Nicole decides to switch it to a. A swimsuit instead.

[Naomi Smalls]

She's gonna go more New York instead of old ladies. I was going grandma, and now I'm going New York. I think that's what she said.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Like New York Pollard. Or does she think New Yorkers wear. I know that's a thing that people think that New York Queens just wear leotards. Oh, it's like a thing.

[Naomi Smalls]

Do they?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I mean, I've worn my fair share leotards. Monet has won her first year leotards as crackers won her first release, I guess. Yeah, I guess. I guess that is a thing.

[Naomi Smalls]

But that's like, when you're doing, like, the drag marathon.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

That's like. Like, girl, that's like 15 years ago drag. I mean, I'm not really super hip to what they're doing in New York City these days, because I've not been in the local scene in New York City for 10 years now. But, yeah, like, you know, 15 years ago, we were all wearing leotards. It was very common to slap on leotard and hit the gig. Like a one fabric. One fabric leotard. One time I made one was like, left, right, fabric. I thought I was eating the girlies up. I was like, I'm about to change the game. Am I going to get a scholarship

[Naomi Smalls]

to fit one sleeve, one leg?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

The girl. And I ate the girl. I changed the game. They had never seen anything like it, honey.

[Naomi Smalls]

Well, you know, but I mean, bodysuits are jumpsuits or leotards, whatever you want to call it. That's a drag staple. Yeah. Like, everything kind of either reveals down to that, like, the hip skirt or whatever jacket comes off. We're all in leotards.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

But now Michelle Massage has put out a moratorium. What is it? Moratorium on leotards.

[Naomi Smalls]

Right.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Or she calls them bodysuits. And now girls are afraid to wear them. And I hate when they call them jumpsuits. A jumpsuit is not a leotard is not a jumpsuit.

[Naomi Smalls]

Right.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

A jumpsuit is, like, when it's one piece, it's got the pants on it. Like, that's a jumpsuit. Anyway. I just.

[Naomi Smalls]

I don't care if you're wearing a leotard or not. Just look good. That's. I think what the staple should be. Just look good.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I agree, I agree. So the next day they come in, and then Nicole announced that what she's. What she's trying to do Is knock off this Suzanne Barsch look.

[Naomi Smalls]

What are the odds?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

But they already told. They already told me Suzanne Bartch was. Was going to be the judge.

[Naomi Smalls]

Okay. Also what are the odds though? Because Deja wore the Suzanne Barch look.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Oh my God.

[Naomi Smalls]

For this season. So I'm like, how did this all work out?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

You're right. And it looked really good.

[Naomi Smalls]

Gorgeous. I think it was the same designer who did Suzanne's probably.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I cannot wait. I cannot wait to get to Nicole's look because it is in. It's insane. So Tina versus Mistress has gotten. Has now bumped up to a whole new level.

[Naomi Smalls]

And. And now we have Lydia in the middle of it.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Yes. So Tina is so Tina. So Tina Burner is being like, I think she's taking a little more to heart than Mistress is.

[Naomi Smalls]

Yeah.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

And she's like, well, when you have gigs and when you have a career, when you can do what I do and you've been doing as long as me. And then of course, Mistress like, well, we can look at the books and we can look at the gig. Let's. Let's compare. Let's run it back to back. And I, I think she's low key. Shredding. I think the reason why I think Mistress is shredding Tina is because Tina is not having fun. And Mistress was having fun. And then I could see that Mistress like, oh, it's not fun anymore. Like, I think she's mad.

[Naomi Smalls]

Mad. Yeah.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

And she did back off once you realized she was actually mad.

[Naomi Smalls]

Yeah. I mean, I think Tina, when she started bringing up like the DMS or something like that. Oh, that's when it got really heated. I think that was like the catalyst.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I love when when Mistress said I wanted to go to her, I go. I wanted to go to her sold out show and have her me in the dressing room.

[Naomi Smalls]

That was fierce. I got locked up this. Okay.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I wanted to go to her sold out show and have her me in the dressing room. Mistress is so un. I'm like, I'm obsessed. She's such good tv. I don't think I want to be on the same season as her. Cuz she's so chaotic and I'm also chaotic and it would just be. It would just be mad. It would be madness.

[Naomi Smalls]

Lavieres are both traitors.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Yeah. If we were both.

[Naomi Smalls]

Yeah.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

But then she'd probably fucking pull a Boston Rob and fucking stab me in the back.

[Naomi Smalls]

True, true, true. She would. It'd be too much.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I've already dealt with that once.

[Naomi Smalls]

Right.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I've already dealt with that once. I don't need it again. I don't need it again. So then let's. Let's talk about the runways real quick. You ready?

[Naomi Smalls]

Yeah.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

So what is. What is RuPaul wearing?

[Naomi Smalls]

You know, I think that this is an example of the wrong hair. I think if she was wearing almost like what George's had in the opening when she walked in and had, like that platinum, like, updo. Yeah. Moment. Like, I think it would just look a lot less heavy. Everything look, I love the whole, like, head to toe print moment, but there's something about the hair that just kind of brings everything down for me.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

It's kind of giving evil lean in the wiz.

[Naomi Smalls]

Yes.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Big dress. All this stuff on it. Michelle looks like Klaus Nomi. I think she looks great.

[Naomi Smalls]

Love that dress, jacket, blazer so much.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Susanna Barsch looks really cool.

[Naomi Smalls]

Everything.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I think TS Madison looks really stunning.

[Naomi Smalls]

Yes.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Let's go to the girls. All right, so up first we have George's. George's has made this. At one point, it kind of looks like a leotard, but then you realize that it's actually a dress that kind of just like, comes down the middle and then there's this, like, dare I say, piece of fabric.

[Naomi Smalls]

Well, everywhere you look. Yeah. Definitely impressive for her. Drag her compared to her other design challenges. But they did show. They did show, like, her, like, past design challenges, and she had, like, this, like, one from All Stars 9 that she won a design challenge on.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

She went on her first season. She wanted the star. The star thing.

[Naomi Smalls]

Yeah.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

It was controversial. Very controversial win.

[Naomi Smalls]

I like. I mean, I think that this looks like there was a lot of work that went into it.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Yeah. It's not bad. I will say that that yellow is a piece of fabric, though.

[Naomi Smalls]

The yellow is. Yeah.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

And it's her favorite part of the whole thing.

[Naomi Smalls]

She likes the hips. Yeah.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Why did she just wear hip pads?

[Naomi Smalls]

I know you.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I.

[Naomi Smalls]

Well, it's weird because she was one of the girls who, like, started wearing pads. Like.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Like plastique.

[Naomi Smalls]

Yeah. Well, yes. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I think plastique can get away with it.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

A little plastic. Yeah. But it's also. It's the way you dress.

[Naomi Smalls]

Yes.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

You know what I mean?

[Naomi Smalls]

But, I mean, they. Hey, it's like the same. They're. They're doing the exact same thing. It's like the corset that they rely on. The corset is she corset.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Probably.

[Naomi Smalls]

Yeah. She posted it under this.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I've seen it worse, to be honest. Her lack of padding doesn't bother me as much as some girls.

[Naomi Smalls]

For sure it's some girls.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

It really irritates me.

[Naomi Smalls]

It is the corset, though. You have to have a waistline if you're not going to do no pads.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

You know, one look you did that really drove me crazy. And you haven't done it since. And you didn't. You didn't like. To be fair, you also did not like this.

[Naomi Smalls]

Is it on Drag Race or.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

It was at the finale.

[Naomi Smalls]

The green.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

The green.

[Naomi Smalls]

Oh, my God. I hate that night. I hate that night. I. I learned so many things about drag that day. I really did. I hated that we were, like, rehearsing that day. It's just. It's so bad.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Y' all will never understand how crazy crazy our finale was. Because it was during dragcon.

[Naomi Smalls]

Yes. It was literally the day after.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

So we would. We would do drag hunt all day and then go. And then go straight to rehearsals. And then the very next day, we went and filmed the finale. It was. And I was doing. And we also did Billy Bush. Remember Grabber by the. We did Billy Bush that morning.

[Naomi Smalls]

So stupid.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

We did. I did the purse first music video. We. We also had other performances around. It was insane. I don't think there's a DragCon this year.

[Naomi Smalls]

Yeah, I don't think there is. I mean, wasn't it. It's normally, like, around, like, Mother's Day. Mother's Day just passed.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Yeah. The girl tariffs.

[Naomi Smalls]

Is that what it is?

[Commercial Narrator]

I don't know.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I'm just saying, Terrence. I don't. I don't know what it is, girl. I have no clue. But I just. I just like. I just, like, blame everything on tariffs because I think.

[Naomi Smalls]

No. I learned so many things about that that day. I hated that we had to get ready there. That's something I do not like doing. I hate getting in drag on location.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Oh, really?

[Naomi Smalls]

I would rather just, like, get. I don't care how early it has to be. I would rather get in drag in my own space and then show up to the show. I like. I hate getting ready at the gig.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I would rather get ready to get. Because I hate repacking my stuff.

[Naomi Smalls]

I get that.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I hate to repack. Drives me crazy. Drives me insane to do my makeup, pack it up, take it to the gig. And then also, I don't like traveling. Like, the pads and the corset being in the car.

[Naomi Smalls]

Yeah.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Anyway, let's go to our next girl. Up next, we have Carrie Kobe. Her boobs look huge.

[Naomi Smalls]

I think it's just like, she added so much.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

It's the braiding.

[Naomi Smalls]

Yeah. There's so much bulk that was added to her brassiere. She looks. I mean, obviously, she looks gorgeous. I just think it's just doing too much.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Yeah. It's not flattering.

[Naomi Smalls]

Trying to be too many things. I'm not a huge fan of, like, things that sit on top of, like, the straight wigs.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Yeah, I was. Yeah. There is. There is something about having, like, a long, flat wig and then just, like, on top of your head. It's not. It's not great.

[Naomi Smalls]

For sure.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I can see why she didn't win this challenge. It's not great.

[Naomi Smalls]

Favorite thing about is the shoe. Love that shoe.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

It is a nice shoe. It is a nice shoe. Let's go to the next one. All right, up next, we have Lydia Butthole Collins. This wig is rotted. This wig is. I cannot believe that this wig never came up. I know that no one even mentioned how bad this wig is.

[Naomi Smalls]

And she kept it on the whole time.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Yeah, absolutely. It looks like she kicked it around, stuck it in the suitcase with no net, no nothing. Just, like, it looks like she put this wig on top of a sequin dress, pulled it out. The dress was stuck to the wig, and she's shaking it to get the dress off. And, you know, when it comes off in pieces and pieces.

[Naomi Smalls]

Oh, yeah.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

And then the whole back was just frazzled. Outside of that, I genuinely love this look.

[Naomi Smalls]

Absolutely. I mean, the color combination is so smart. Black and white, period next to a neon just pops so. Well, panders a bit, because the Judges love the 80s so much. Yeah. This just. Just the hair is really the only issue. Maybe a pink shoe, but, like, it's really upsetting hair. I. My least favorite. I hate a headband that covers. I mean, I know there's certain looks like a rocker, Willie Nelson kind of moment. Like, yes. It calls for, like, the band to be right across your hairline. But, like, with drag and femininity, like, I think there's ways to, like, have your hairline exposed and, like, do an asymmetrical headband or.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

You had a headband moment.

[Naomi Smalls]

What? I mean, I. I.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

You had a headband era.

[Naomi Smalls]

Hey, I've been doing drag for 13 years. I've learned. I have learned some things.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

It wasn't. That wasn't a call out. That wasn't. That wasn't. I got you. But you learned from you, because I remember you had, like, a headband. You were, like, really in, like, a headband across the hairline era, for sure.

[Naomi Smalls]

I Mean, I made my. I. Hey, I'm sick of paving the way,

[Bob the Drag Queen]

but here I'm gonna tell you what

[Naomi Smalls]

I've learned along the way.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

You've been doing it for 13 years.

[Naomi Smalls]

Yeah, 13 years.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Oh, my God.

[Naomi Smalls]

I know.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

How long have I been doing drag? Not much longer. 80 years. Shut the out. I started 2009. Yeah.

[Naomi Smalls]

It's like 2000.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

What is that? 16 years.

[Naomi Smalls]

We don't come to this podcast for math.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

16 years. We're contemporaries.

[Naomi Smalls]

I know. It's crazy.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Oh, my God.

[Naomi Smalls]

I was doing drag for three years on Drag Race, which is insane.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

That is gay. You look stunning, though.

[Naomi Smalls]

I mean, we were children.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Children. I was in my 20s, and you look sunny. You were in your 20s?

[Naomi Smalls]

Yeah.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

You're not your 20s anymore.

[Naomi Smalls]

No.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Which is so crazy to me.

[Naomi Smalls]

I know, because in my mind, you're,

[Bob the Drag Queen]

like, forever 21, which is insane.

[Naomi Smalls]

I don't know if, like, you should be 21 on this show. You mentioned it last week. I think you were like, yeah. The fact that you go on a show at any age with no media training after is insane. So to be 21 with no media

[Bob the Drag Queen]

training, yes, it is madness.

[Naomi Smalls]

It's insane.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I mean, but some girls are. Violet Chowski, one. You went. You made it to the top three. James won. Who's that girl from UK? She won at 19.

[Naomi Smalls]

That's crazy.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Yeah, 19.

[Naomi Smalls]

I know.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Where were you at 19? You at the hair salon? Where are you working at?

[Naomi Smalls]

I think I was. Yeah, I was definitely at the hair salon. I think I was graduating cosmetology school at 19.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

That is. I mean, how many of you girls are cosmetology girls? You. Trixie. Trixie dropped out.

[Naomi Smalls]

I mean, I pretty much dropped out, too.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

You didn't finish school?

[Naomi Smalls]

I finished it, but I was never. It was never my thing.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Yo, when we. When we got back from Drag Race, before it aired, we were all, like, in this group chat called Season.

[Naomi Smalls]

Hate that.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Dax left immediately. Like, one of the first ever comments in the group there was like, dax has left the chat.

[Naomi Smalls]

It was like Cynthia being like, well, Misa Morris, I love you guys so much. I hope everyone's doing well. Dax left the chat, and we made it the.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Like, I used to have it say it was so fucking funny. And then we were all like, what are we all up to? And people are like, I'm back at the restaurant. I'm back. I'm back to gigs. And Emily's like, I'm not doing anything. I was like, you didn't go back to the. To the Salon. She goes, no, the salon. I said, how are you making money? She goes, making money. I mean, I was living at my mom's house.

[Naomi Smalls]

I had the option to do that, you know? Crazy. So crazy making money.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I think Layla went back to like, waiting tables at that, that, that restaurant she was at. Chi Chi went back to the grocery store.

[Naomi Smalls]

Oh, yeah.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

That's so funny.

[Naomi Smalls]

So crazy.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Let's go to our next look. Mistress Isabelle Brooks. This is a classic mistress look, but she looks great. This look is practically flawless. I really can't spot anything wrong with this look, like, at all. Her padding looks right. Her body looks good. Her hair looks good.

[Naomi Smalls]

The makeup.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

You don't like her padding? Okay, look at the photo at the right.

[Naomi Smalls]

You think she needs more like thigh in the butt?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I mean, I'm not, I'm not really qualified to take on this, but I mean, but also, this is kind of how a lot of the girls are doing their patterns. This is how Carrie not. God damn it. Corey King's got this crazy butt.

[Naomi Smalls]

Like the shelf butt.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Plain Jane has the butt. Nina Bonina has the butt.

[Naomi Smalls]

You know who's the queen of the butt?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Who?

[Naomi Smalls]

Layla.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Layla has a great drape. She doesn't pad much anymore, though.

[Naomi Smalls]

Oh, no. I mean, she had the best padding.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Yeah, she had really good pad. But now she's like, she's done with the padding shit.

[Naomi Smalls]

Leila, Juju, Corey, Plane. All Boston bomb bodies.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

So they the same person is making everyone's padding.

[Naomi Smalls]

I thought they all just made their own.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

No, I found out it's this one queen is this one queen in Boston who does everyone's padding.

[Naomi Smalls]

Wow.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

She's Cory King's best friend.

[Naomi Smalls]

I guess that makes sense.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Isn't that kind of gaggy?

[Naomi Smalls]

Yeah, zip code pads.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I think she looks good. I, I, I know, I know. This bitch is either wearing a flat or a scooty. I know good and goddamn well this because she's walking way too comfortable. We saw the way she walked in the angels looks. We saw her straw fighting for her life. And I know this got on is either a scooty or it's a ballet flat.

[Naomi Smalls]

Honestly, I would not have even been able to tell though.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

And that's why she did it that way.

[Naomi Smalls]

You do it. I think that this look is so fucking good. I, this is my favorite hair to ever see mistress in. I love that. Like pageant. Electrocuted. Shocked. Yeah, wiggly. The only notes I would ever have for this, and this is like plucking pussy hairs. But I feel like people enjoy the pussy hairs.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Of course.

[Naomi Smalls]

Yes. She did a really good job at, like, lining. Not lining, like, finishing the skirt. Like, she added that, like, horse hair moment to the bottom, but it was, like, white. The underside was white. So just, like, add that, like, metallic brown, I think would have been gorgeous. And then that blue. It was so unfortunate that they had to use eight items.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Yeah. I mean, they really gave her a hard task with this blue tool. And this. I think this is a great way to incorporate it, because any else, it would have been like, what the is this blue tool doing here?

[Naomi Smalls]

You're right.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

You're right.

[Naomi Smalls]

Absolutely. I mean, the fact that she made a corset.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Yeah.

[Naomi Smalls]

Have we seen them on Drag Race before?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Yeah, for sure, for sure, for sure. Let's go into our next. Our next queen.

[Naomi Smalls]

Up next, we have icon, icon, legend status.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Nicole Paige Brooks from Atlanta, Georgia. What the fuck is going on on. On this day? This hair is crazy. This leotard is crazy.

[Naomi Smalls]

The stars glued to her thigh, crazy.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

What I do actually, like is these. This, like, boa bracelets. I actually think those are great, for sure. I don't know if she made those or they just came like that, but honestly, I genuinely think it's kind of cool.

[Naomi Smalls]

It's hard for me to hate it. I mean, obviously, it's not a good

[Bob the Drag Queen]

look, but you just love her.

[Naomi Smalls]

I love. I just love how iconic it is. I feel like she's gonna be like, my little bias moment this season when

[Bob the Drag Queen]

she said it was based off of lil Mama's look. Suzanne Barstow's look. It'd be giant stars, like, cascading off and bouncing, and she had these. These little sad.

[Naomi Smalls]

I know. I. I feel like Suzanne was like, oh. Oh, yeah, I see it. Totally.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

This wig is criminal.

[Naomi Smalls]

It really is. This is a wig I feel like she had on season too.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

This is prison time.

[Naomi Smalls]

I know.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

This wig is prison time.

[Naomi Smalls]

Hard front or lace? Front, you think?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I don't know. I don't care. It's so bad.

[Naomi Smalls]

It's cut with craft scissors. Yeah, for sure. Like, it's like.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

It is so bad. Let's go to the next look.

[Naomi Smalls]

I do love that she's naked.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Oh, yeah. She's showing body.

[Naomi Smalls]

There was a. There was a shot in the workroom where she was, like, there. Georgeous was, like, showing off of her look that she was gonna wear. And Nicole walks by. She goes, I'm gonna be more naked than her. I love that.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Okay. Tina Burner ate this challenge.

[Naomi Smalls]

She really did. To shreds she worked hard.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

This coat is immaculate. These pants, I want these pants. This sheer top. Look at how the neckline is done.

[Naomi Smalls]

Yeah.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

This merry widow or corset or whatever she's wearing underneath. This looks amazing.

[Naomi Smalls]

The tits look fantastic.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Like, this is the best outfit of the episode by a mile, for sure.

[Naomi Smalls]

This looks like it's like you bought it.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Yes.

[Naomi Smalls]

Or you hired someone to make it for you. Amazing. Amazing. It's contradictory to what she said in the beginning where she's like, no more red, orange and yellow.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

But to be fair, they gave her that.

[Naomi Smalls]

Yeah, totally.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

To be fair, you didn't know what was in your A ball when you grabbed it.

[Naomi Smalls]

Totally.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

And Tina Burner has grabbed a lot of eight balls. No clue what was in. Trust me on that. But, I mean, she looks amazing. I really do think she's kind of a flawless drag queen. Like, I'm like, I'm trying to find a flaw. I literally can't find one. She looks amazing. Her hair looks great. Her outfit looks great. Her shoes look great. Is she wearing nails? If she's not wearing nails, that'd be the one flaw.

[Naomi Smalls]

She probably is wearing nails. Yeah. She was doing the whole smoking bit with the cigarette box.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Oh, the thing with the cigarette incorporating that.

[Naomi Smalls]

Yeah.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

This is amazing.

[Naomi Smalls]

I was impressed. You could just take that jacket off and not have the cuffs, like, you know when you're just trying to do a reveal and drag.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Oh, yeah. So, fun fact. Years ago, I had an outfit that was reveal made for me, but the sleep, I would you take it off, and then the whole sleeve turns inside out and I have these big man hands.

[Naomi Smalls]

What are you talking about?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

What are you talking about? So it would get caught on the thing. And then I took it to Tina Burner and Tina Burner fixed it for me. Like.

[Naomi Smalls]

Oh, yeah.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Two hours work. Like, she sits it down. She's like, here you go, girl. Boom. Done. I use that reveal for, like, years.

[Naomi Smalls]

Is she a seamstress? And does she, like, before drag?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Not really for other people. She did it for me as a. As a friend, as a favor. But she does not, from what I know, she does not sew for other people. She used to be, like, a weird, like, neat freak. She has, like a. Like, it's almost like a. Like a germaphobe.

[Naomi Smalls]

Oh, really?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

She would wear new lashes every single time she did drag.

[Naomi Smalls]

Oh, my God, that. I feel like I've heard that story before, but I had no idea it was about her.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Every single time she did drag, she wear new lashes. She would wash her wigs, like, fully, like, not just, like, the lace, like, fully shampoo her wigs Every. This is when she was wearing those, like, flat wigs. Obviously, she's not washing this wig. Imagine getting a wig like this styled and then breaking it down and washing it every single time. So I think she's kind of got over that. But she was like a. Like a weird germaphobe.

[Naomi Smalls]

How long will you wear a pair of lashes still?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I think my record is probably two and a half years.

[Naomi Smalls]

That's great. It might have been, but that's like, I want to wear that lash or that's like, you're wearing it every single time.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

You do drag every single time.

[Naomi Smalls]

That's crazy.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

And I peel the glue off and,

[Naomi Smalls]

like, do you re. Blacken them or, like, how do you, like.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I mean, they're not turning gray.

[Naomi Smalls]

You don't think.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Do your lashes turn gray?

[Naomi Smalls]

I feel like, with, like, the way that the lash glue oxidizes, it turns gray.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I mean, I put, like, mascara over my lash, and then sometimes I'll put a little bit of a eyeliner on top of it just to make sure it's, like, nice and black. But I will peel that glue because, y', all, when. When you. They become shaped like your. Your eyelids.

[Naomi Smalls]

A new pair of lashes is the most annoying thing ever.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Sucks because you have to really. You're like, wow, I really have to retrain this pair of lashes to fit my face. And I will say, I typically do not. So I'm. I'm not so good at it anymore because I also don't wear the same wigs so consistently, but, like, cleaning my lace every single time, blocking my wigs. I spray my wigs with, like, some tea tree oil and. And vodka to keep them fresh. But. But every time is insane.

[Naomi Smalls]

Insane.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

That would drive me crazy. She looks amazing. This look is the best look by a mile. Is that the last one?

[Commercial Narrator]

Yeah.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

So in the judging, Mistress is straight up, like, I haven't changed at all. I should have been crowned the first time. I'm literally flawless.

[Naomi Smalls]

Love it.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Which is. It's tongue in cheek when she says it.

[Naomi Smalls]

Yes.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

When. When Nicole Page Brooks says it is not Tommy MIV versus NP Bag. Npb. Mib versus NPB is. Is a really. Honestly, it's. It's Mistress versus both Tina and Nicole. Yeah.

[Naomi Smalls]

But I don't think Nicole feels like she's versus her.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I. I think Carrie. We'll get there. We'll get there. So the judges do not like Nicole's execution, which is not Shocking to anyone, right? Tina Burner didn't get a single bad critique, which makes sense. And when they announced that the winners are Mistress. Sorry. When they announced that the winners are Tina and Lydia, Mistress is shredded. She is so mad, so annoyed in that big fucking loofah that. That reveal was so ridiculous.

[Naomi Smalls]

It's so sad, though, because I toured with Mistress. I've gone to her shows before. This is her song. Love Sensation is, like, legit. Nine times out of ten, Mistress is going to perform this. Like, they were, like, playing in her face.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I feel I'd have been mad too. I'd have been mad too.

[Naomi Smalls]

And she was even, like, in the. Like, when they were all lip syncing, she was like. She had, like, her reveal coat, like, hiding her face. Like she felt that one.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Well, they lip sync to Love Sensation and Lydia wins the lip sync. Do you agree with that decision?

[Naomi Smalls]

Yes. I don't like when the girls, like, when they're lip syncing, when they try to bring the other girl into it,

[Bob the Drag Queen]

when they do too much with the other person.

[Naomi Smalls]

Like, sometimes it really works and it's iconic. But then, like, when.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

When Bendelacreme was doing it with. They were doing Anaconda.

[Naomi Smalls]

Bendel Cramber is Ajah.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Yeah.

[Naomi Smalls]

Didn't she win that?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Bindle Crumb won it. But she was like, kind of like, basically making fun of Aja's performance. So when Aja would do a split, she'd do a thing about it. Wow, that was so impressive. And then she'd like. She was like, literally, like, following Aja around, basically, like, like, like nerfing every move she did.

[Naomi Smalls]

Dang.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

And kind of like when what's her name did it also, I mean, if

[Naomi Smalls]

you were Bendela Creme trying to do

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Anaconda, what else would. No, I mean, I get it.

[Naomi Smalls]

Yeah. Sometimes it works.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

It's like when what's her name, the girl from Staten Island. Protect. Protect. Drag.

[Naomi Smalls]

Protect Dragami.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

When Megami did it with the Queen of Flips.

[Naomi Smalls]

Right, right.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Maya Mama LePage.

[Naomi Smalls]

Yeah.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Like, that was. There's no other way she could win unless she was acknowledging that. Yeah, this is flipping.

[Naomi Smalls]

But I feel like the way that I think it's, like, weird is when they're just, like, lip syncing it to them and they're, like, waiting for them to, like, start lip syncing back. It just looks funky.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I mean, either one of them could have won. For me, Lydia, winning was not. I wasn't shook. I wasn't. Neither one of them ate this up. Neither of them ate that up. But I don't think anyone was like, I would. I wouldn't have left the gig meal

[Naomi Smalls]

like, that was horrible. Yeah.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

You know what I mean? And now we. We're about to find out next week what happens with these extra points. Because in my mind, Mistress has been so mean to everyone. I can't imagine anyone giving Mistress the point because she's been mean to everyone.

[Naomi Smalls]

Yeah.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

But also Nicole, Paige, Brooke has too.

[Naomi Smalls]

Mistress has been mean with a point. I think Nicole is just living.

[Commercial Narrator]

Just.

[Naomi Smalls]

Just be doing her thing, being her,

[Bob the Drag Queen]

doing her fucking thing. All right, if y' all want to hear our thoughts on the Twitter beef, we're gonna. We're gonna talk a little bit about what's going on with

[Naomi Smalls]

Ari, Eddie and

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Irene, Arietty and Irene, we're going to talk about untucked, and that's going to be exclusively on our patreon. We'll see you all there.

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