Sibling Watchery: Drag Race All Stars S10 EP7 "Wicked Good"

Summary

Podcast Summary: Sibling Watchery: Drag Race All Stars S10 EP7 "Wicked Good"

Podcast: Sibling Rivalry
Date: June 18, 2025
Hosts: Bob the Drag Queen & Naomi Smalls
Episode: Sibling Watchery: Drag Race All Stars S10 EP7 "Wicked Good"
Special Guests/Contributors: Jacob (producer/chiming in)

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Episode Overview

In this week’s Sibling Watchery, Bob the Drag Queen and Naomi Smalls recap and dissect RuPaul’s Drag Race All Stars Season 10, Episode 7: “Wicked Good”—the Wicked-for-Good-inspired design challenge. The pair, known for hilarious banter and honest critiques, dive into the highs, lows, and fashion wows of the episode, with their signature mix of irreverence, insight, and nostalgia for their own Drag Race journeys.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Opening Commentary: All Things "Wicked" and Bracket Drama (00:35–05:16)

• Musical Inspiration: Discussing the impact of Wicked on Drag Race as a gay touchstone.
  • Naomi was initially ambivalent but ended up enjoying the show: “I was pleasantly surprised. I didn’t fall asleep.” (01:24)
  • Bob jokes about people misunderstanding “part two”: “If you go see the play, it’s literally act two—like, you could find out what happens.” (01:42)
• Current Bracket: Discussion on which color bracket they are in, with Bob playfully referencing his colorblindness: “Wow, don’t be ableist. I am colorblind.” (02:45)

2. Entrance Looks and OG Drag Race Memories (03:07–05:41)

• Cynthia Lee Fontaine’s Style: Naomi wants the tea on Cynthia’s hair; Bob calls out the “questionable looks.”
  • Bob: “I got labeled as the queen with no fashion...on a season with Derek, Cynthia, Dax…” (03:36)
  • Naomi: “We just saw you as, you know, one of the ones who was actually going to be there long enough to have a reputation.” (03:58)
• Praise for Acid Betty: Both hosts are excited for Betty’s return and note her nostalgic presence.

3. Pair Challenge: Choosing Partners & Working Dynamics (09:54–17:44)

• Challenge Format: Ru lets queens choose their pairs; drama ensues.
  • Acid Betty is the clear “hot commodity” and is compared to a “shirtless top at the party” (13:55)
  • The awkwardness of queens (like Cynthia) not getting picked is discussed.
  • “I honestly wish I could have seen Daya Betty with Acid Betty. I feel like that would have been a really great choice.” – Bob (16:25)
• Naomi’s Pick: “Call me basic, but I feel like I would want Acid. She’s just such a creative.” (17:19)

4. Production, Social Media, and Drag Economics (18:03–25:28)

• Klarna-Gate: Throwback to sponsored content kerfuffles, and how brand partnerships for queens have evolved.
  • “Low-key changed the game for Drag Race girls getting deals and sponsorships.” – Bob (19:31)
• The Expense of Drag: Genuine discussion of the financial realities of Drag Race.
  • “Going on Drag Race is expensive, y’all. It is very expensive.” – Bob (25:22)
  • “It’s expensive to go on Drag Race. It’s expensive to be a Drag Race girl after Drag Race.” – Naomi (25:28)

5. All Stars Repeat Offenders—Who’s Done It the Most? (25:37–27:47)

• Counting All Stars Runs: They debate what “counts” as a return season.
• Jujubee Discourse: “She is definitely the most decorated. Or what would you call it—the most appeared?” – Naomi (27:39)
• Running gag: Bob and Naomi jostling over JUJUBEE and Ginger Minj’s Drag Race tally.

6. The "Trade" Debate & Language in Drag (29:10–32:35)

• The Infamous Trade Jacket: “You are not trade. No one ever told you that.” – Naomi (30:31)
• Evolving Definitions: Bob discusses how “trade” has changed in the Drag Race context: “Language evolves...The definition of the word trade, whether people like it or not, it has expanded.” (30:59)
• Classic playful side-eye: “I'm not one of the ballroom girls who's like, ‘you can't change it.’” – Bob (31:48)

7. Design & Challenge Execution (32:35–47:04)

• Acid Betty’s Heavy Lifting: Bob suspects Betty did “more than her share” in her pair.
  • “I have a sneaking suspicion that Betty also made these bodices.” (32:53)
  • Naomi: “She chose the right partner. That’s for damn sure.” (32:59)
• Guest Mentors: Cynthia Erivo & Ariana Grande bring emotional depth and connection, rather than standard mentorship. “They’re really with each other...to support each other through this interview.” – Bob (34:45)
• Runway Looks: In-depth commentary on each team’s results, with recurring themes:
  • Acid Betty and Denali are praised for originality.
  • Daya Betty’s makeup skills are highlighted.
  • Ginger and Daya’s script is criticized as formulaic.
  • Naomi: “This is a tank dress. I hate this. It gives me Maleficent and Stitch.” (40:34)

8. Judges’ Critiques, Drag Race History, and Shady Editing (58:07–60:53)

• Perceived Producer Shadiness: Only Acid Betty is publicly critiqued, while the others get negative comments behind the scenes.
  • “All we see is Acid Betty being the only person getting a negative critique on stage.” – Bob (58:07)
• Questioning Judge Validity: “It’s just hard to trust the validity of the critiques...This look is Boo Boo the Fool.” – Naomi (61:16)
• Missing Drama: Both hosts note this bracket feels “too Kumbaya”—no fireworks, no drama expected next week.

9. Lip Sync & Winner Announcements (61:27–66:44)

• Lip Sync to “Defying Gravity”: Ginger Minj wins, but the edit and song choices feel off.
  • “What they do is we lip sync the entire song...and they just edit it down...They cut out all the parts with Glinda. It was a very strange cut.” – Bob (62:59)
• Preference for Camp: “If you ever go and see a drag queen performing Defying Gravity, it's always camp...This was like the most earnest rendition I’ve ever seen.” – Bob (64:39)
• Point Tally & Predictions: Ginger Minj leads with 3, Daya Betty with 2; Bob and Naomi predict Ginger, Acid Betty, and Daya will move forward.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• “Wow. Don't be ableist. I am colorblind.” – Bob (02:45)
• “Acid Betty is, I don’t know, the shirtless top 6’5” at the party with his shirt off. Because everyone is like, I want Betty.” – Bob (13:55)
• “She’s not just the most congenial. She’s genuinely one of the most lovely people I’ve ever met.” – Bob, about Cynthia Lee Fontaine (21:48)
• “Going on Drag Race is expensive, y’all. It is very expensive.” – Bob (25:22)
• “You are not trade. No one ever told you that. That’s how I feel.” – Naomi (30:31)
• “Language is descriptive, not prescriptive, right? So it’s just how people are using the word.” – Bob (31:23)
• “I want to win. I need to win, and I want a fucking win.” – Bob, channeling Acid Betty (24:33)
• “Every look up here is amazing...but goddamn, these are some hideous glasses.” – Naomi (37:52; 38:37)
• “This look is Boo Boo the Fool.” – Naomi on Ginger’s runway (61:16)
• “If you ever go and see a drag queen performing Defying Gravity, it's always camp...This was the most earnest rendition I’ve ever seen.” – Bob (64:39)
• “Presenting hole to Tina Burner—that was a real hit on the podcast.” – Bob (27:47)

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Important Timestamps

• 00:35–05:16: Start of the main discussion, Wicked and Drag Race memories
• 09:54–17:44: Pair challenge assignment drama
• 18:03–25:28: Klarna-Gate, drag expenses, repeat All Stars runs
• 32:35–47:04: Script/teamwork in design challenge, guest mentors, runway critiques
• 58:07–60:53: Critique shadiness, lack of drama in bracket
• 61:27–66:44: Lip sync, edit critiques, point assignment, predictions

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Conclusion & Takeaways

Bob and Naomi’s recap blends smart critique, drag herstory, and playful shade. Their main takeaways:

• The design challenge brought out both strong fashion moments and questionable judge choices.
• Acid Betty was unfairly critiqued, while Ginger Minj’s win felt unearned.
• There’s a clear sense this bracket will lack drama compared to others, despite strong contestants.
• Predictions: Ginger, Acid Betty, and Daya Betty will advance, with Denali as a possible spoiler.

Final thoughts:
The contestants are stellar, but judge critiques and edit choices leave Bob and Naomi—and likely fans—questioning the fairness and storylines. As always, the Sibling Watchery crew balances nostalgia, fashion expertise, and drag shade for a rollicking, must-listen recap.

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Transcript

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[Bob the Drag Queen]

Hello, everyone. Welcome back to sibling wotery. My name is Bob the Drag Queen.

[Naomi Smalls]

And my name is Naomi Smalls.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

And this is Sylvan guachi. We're reviewing RuPaul's Drag Race All Stars 10 Episode 7 Wicked Good. This is the Wicked for Good inspired Runway moment. Have you seen Wicked?

[Naomi Smalls]

Yes. Gun in my head.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Did you not remember or did you not like it? Which one is it?

[Naomi Smalls]

No, I. I think I went into it not wanting to see it, but then when I was there, I was so happy I saw it.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Okay. I've never heard anyone be like, be, you know, kind of like on the fence about wicked people. Either like, I love it or I hate it. You're like, yeah, no, I was.

[Naomi Smalls]

I was pleasantly surprised. I think the whole. I think I was just having a busy day that day, and it was like, far away that I was trying to go to, and then I heard it was 2 hours and 45 minutes. And I was like, you're kidding me. But I was pleasantly surprised. I didn't fall asleep.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Did you? With friends?

[Naomi Smalls]

Yeah, I saw. With Michael. Sadie.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Okay, nice. I was supposed to go see the play with Kim, but then the fires happened. Ballet fires. But also a lot of people be like, I can't wait to see what happens in part two. Guys, if you go see the play, it's literally part two is just act two. Like, you could find out what happens in part two. You don't have to wait.

[Naomi Smalls]

I feel like they're gonna remix based on everyone's opinions of part two. I don't know what part two is, but, like, I feel like they're gonna remix it because, like, everyone says that it's like, boo, Part two.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Well, they're gonna have to do something because it's only an hour long. It's like an hour long and they're gonna do an epic five hour boop. Journey through all this stuff. I like part two. Part one is the most epic part. Like, it could. They kind of ate by ending at part one. Anyway. That's not where he's talking. We're talking about RuPaul's Drag Race All Stars 10 episode seven so we're. We are officially in the orange. No, they're orange. Are they. They're blue. They're blue. The blue bracket, I think.

[Naomi Smalls]

I think it's purple. Purple.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Wow. Don't be ableist. I am colorblind.

[Naomi Smalls]

It's crazy how it always comes up somehow, some way.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I just think it's a funny joke to call that ables because it's such a ridiculous thing. So quick question, because me and Monet went over the looks. Are there any looks that stood out that you wanted to mention from their interest looks or anything?

[Naomi Smalls]

I do have questions about Cynthia's.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Not too much. That's our sister. Not too much.

[Naomi Smalls]

That is our sister. I'm just. I'm so curious about the hair. I just want to know more about the hair.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I have questions about the whole thing. Cynthia has always had some questionable looks,

[Naomi Smalls]

and they're always red.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

A lot of red. She really loves red. She really loves red. Which is crazy because I'm always. I was like, somehow no shade to Cynthia Leaf Fontaine. I love Cynthia Fontaine. But, like, I got labeled as the queen with no fashion from our season. Me. On a season with. On a season with Derek. On a season with Cynthia. On a season with Dax. On a season with like, me.

[Naomi Smalls]

Oh, ok. We just saw you as, you know, one of the ones who was actually going to be there long enough to have hold reputation.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Derek was there almost the whole show.

[Naomi Smalls]

Okay, you're right, you're right, you're right.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

And also bad makeup with Derek's eyebrows. Okay, you know what?

[Naomi Smalls]

You are clearly still going through things about season eight, and I'm here to help you through this bracket of All Stars.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Well, I'm glad you've healed from your season eight trauma, but, yeah, Cynthia has. Cynthia's look is wild. It is wild. It is it. But Cynthia is always. Not always. Every once in a while, Cynthia will do a banger, like, with her. Her reunion look for season eight. That. That's, like, stoned gown she wore. I thought it was actually quite. Quite stunning.

[Naomi Smalls]

Yeah. I'm trying to remember it.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

She's wearing a stone gown and that. And that Killian hair.

[Naomi Smalls]

Oh, yes. Oh, my gosh. She's like, actually one of the first Killian girls.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Yeah, for sure. For sure. I am so excited to have Acid Betty back on my screen.

[Naomi Smalls]

Absolutely. It actually makes me feel, like, nostalgic and happy, like, warm inside seeing her on television.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

And I actually feel like they're trying to. I feel like they're. I feel like they're trying to get something out of Betty and we're going to talk about it when we get to judging, but it feels like they're trying to get something out of Betty by giving her a certain treatment. But I don't want to get it. I don't want to put the horse before the wagon. No, I don't put the wagon before the horse. The horse does go before the wagon. Did you. Did you watch Traitors? My season of traitors?

[Naomi Smalls]

Oh, yeah.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Does Cynthia remind you of Ianne?

[Naomi Smalls]

Ooh, I don't know. I feel like Cynthia is like, she's more wild Cardi.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

But Ian was pretty much a wild card. Like, she was like, always saying wacky stuff, but Ian said some silly stuff. Cynthia says stuff that's like, what is happening.

[Naomi Smalls]

See, I feel like Carolyn would be more Cynthia coded, not obviously saying the exact same things, but being just be like, girl, what are you even talking about? Yeah, they.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Well, that's true. That's true. I completely forgot that diabetes was eliminated first. I. That. That completely escaped my mind.

[Naomi Smalls]

I didn't.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

She was the first girl out bought back and made it to the finale. Has anyone else ever done that? Because I feel like the. The drag with curses. If you, if you get brought back, you get sent home within two episodes. Carmen Carrera, Naysha Lopez. I can't think of any other girls who let came back their. Their season besides Diabetti. Who?

[Naomi Smalls]

Trixie.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Oh, yeah. Trixie, like, came back home, right? Yeah, because she got. Because she got brought back when she did that number with Ginger when they did the. But they should get sent home within two episodes, right?

[Jacob]

I. I forget if this one. This girl was officially eliminated, but they kind of did that thing with the brackets where they eliminated Elliot with two T's and then sent her to the other bracket. So I feel like all the girls and Elliot thought she was being eliminated, but she wasn't quite eliminated. And maybe it was a different thing.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

No, Elliot lasted a few episodes for sure.

[Jacob]

I don't know. They did the lip syncs and then they got all the girls who lost their lip sync.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

The post job, Doc.

[Commercial Voice]

Yeah.

[Jacob]

To vote one girl to leave the show. So they thought they were eliminating Elliot. Elliot thought she was getting eliminated, but they just sent her to the next bracket.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I don't even remember well enough, to be honest. Um, I just don't remember that well. But I mean, I kind of remember, but it was like that that was. It was. It was convoluted. Um, Ginger Minj is giving herself the I'm too polished storyline. Ginger Man's giving herself the, like, show more vulnerability. You're too rehearsed. So if it sounds like she's like, I'm gonna. Something about something makes me cringe when the girl's like, so I'm just gonna finally let my hair and give them what they want.

[Naomi Smalls]

It makes me cringe when the girls are like, everything you thought went originally happened on my season where someone else won. Wasn't supposed to go down. I deserved it.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I mean, that's literally Mistress's entire storyline.

[Naomi Smalls]

But I think Mistress is, like, giving into, like, with conviction of, like, there's a laugh humor there.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Little wink and nod. Yeah.

[Naomi Smalls]

Ginger's like, they had the check ready for me, and some. Something went down.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Oh, are you gonna tell. Are we telling that story? Is that. Is that. Is that untucked? Exclusive. We'll tell that story exclusive.

[Naomi Smalls]

Yes, let's do that. See, we always find little nuggets.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Jacob, make sure you write that down so you don't forget to tell it. But, yeah, she's giving the whole, like, because there's a thing, like, who was the girl? Was it silky? And also, I think Kerri Colby, who was like, I'm not afraid to be ugly. And they just do, like, their makeup like this, or they do a challenge, and they go like. You know what I mean? Like, they'll do a thing where they're like, honey, I'm not afraid to be ugly. Watch this. Like, And I'm like, It makes me cringe so hard. And I feel like, this is the story we're getting from Ginger, where it's like, I was two paused, but now I'm going to be a mess. And then she does, like, her wig like that, right? So the girls go get out of drag, and Ru announces that the girls will be working. No. Before they get out of drag, Ru announced that the girls will be working in pairs for the first design challenge. What's your history with working in pairs on Drag Race?

[Naomi Smalls]

Ooh, my history in working with pairs.

[Jacob]

I worked with Valentina on Club 76, an iconic challenge.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Damn. They could better have all the. The tea ready. How was your experience?

[Naomi Smalls]

Oh, I mean, honestly, I had so much fun with Valentina. It was a mess. It was gonna be the moment I knew we were gonna be paired together. I knew it was gonna be a mess, but, I mean, Valentina is just iconic in every single way. Breath way. You boil it down I just love being around her. Always have.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

And who are you paired with on the political challenge?

[Naomi Smalls]

Oh, my God. Kim.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Kim. How was that?

[Naomi Smalls]

It was interesting. It was, like, the first time I feel like I saw Kim nervous about something on the show, like, because it was like we were recording together, and Michelle was, like, giving her notes, and it was kind of just like, not sticking to Kim. And then Michelle was like, what the fuck is happening? So then I was like, what the fuck is happening? And I could see Kim was, like, going down. And then she painted herself a sad clown the next day. Yeah, it was a whole. It was a whole bubba.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

This sad clown was so crazy because I worked.

[Naomi Smalls]

But you and Derek, that challenge, like, killed it.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Oh, I had so much fun. Derek was honestly a pleasure to work with. Absolute pleasure to work with. I love working with her. But they're doing a design. A design couples, like, pair, like, group challenge, but specifically for a design, which is interesting. And then, so as the girls are meeting something Ginger Min says. I'm like, I. When someone says something, I like to be like, is this true? Right. So she sees Alyssa. She goes, I stalked you online. And I'm like, did you?

[Naomi Smalls]

Right.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Name two pictures I name two pictures I posted. If you stalk me. If you stalked me, you should be able to name two pictures I posted.

[Naomi Smalls]

Well, that's what I think that Ginger just, like, kind of starts saying shit. Like, she just starts saying shit. And she's. Because I feel like later on, she's like, alyssa could be huge competition, because I'm not that familiar with her. And I'm like.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

But I don't think we're seeing Alyssa as huge competition.

[Naomi Smalls]

You're just so TV.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

So Acid Betty is 47 years old, and she feels like she's. I mean, she's the second oldest person on this season of Drag Race, after Nicole Paige Brooks, who I think is 54 years old. And honestly, I can. I can see why she feels that. I mean, Acid Betty was the only person in her. No, she was the oldest one from our season. I think she was 30. She was 30, 38 at the time.

[Naomi Smalls]

Yeah. There's a moment where she's talking to someone and she goes, yeah, it's crazy how, like, the old girls paired with the new girls. And then I'm like. And when she said that, I was like, is season eight Cynthia and Acid considered an old girl?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Well, I think old seasons. I mean, we were the last Logo season. So everyone. Everyone after 8 is VH1, MTV. We were on Low Go doing Do y' all hoes even know what Logo is. We were basically a web show. We might as well have been a YouTube show. On my season, our Untucked was on YouTube. It literally. Do you remember this? The next morning to YouTube to watch

[Naomi Smalls]

Untucked and logotv.com for, like, the deleted scenes.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Yes. And Betty's workroom look is killing me. It's where the Wild things are meets WeHo Pride. And honestly, it's so great. Great is so Betty. I hope we see this jacket every episode. I really do. With the chains and the spikes and the fur.

[Naomi Smalls]

She looks so good.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

She does.

[Naomi Smalls]

She. She looks like, well rested. I don't know. I don't think she's, like, done anything, but I feel like she just looks like she's in a really good place this season.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I love Betty. Alyssa said that she wanted to work with Diabetti. There's another, like, okay, so RuPaul. So I think when RuPaul is like, you all can decide who you work with. She knows it's going to be a mess. Like, if we're not pairing you up, it's going to be some drama, mama. Right? So we find out that Acid Betty has her pick, baby. Acid Betty is, I don't know, the, the. The shirtless top 6 foot 5 at the party with his shirt off. Because everyone is like, I want Betty. And Betty's like, so Betty can choose whoever she wants. Alyssa wants to work with diabetic. Diabetic is like, no, thank you. Diabetes, like, yeah, I'm good. I'm good on that. I want either Acid Beta. I want Gingerbread. I'm good.

[Naomi Smalls]

So I don't blame her. After, like, Alyssa just called her a bitch three times in a row.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Yes. Yes. Yeah. You. You are the bitch. That's everything. You are the bitch. Not a bitch, you're the bitch.

[Naomi Smalls]

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[Bob the Drag Queen]

Good evening. I ran into her at World Pride and it took everything in my power not to be like, good evening. I don't think she would have got it, but it took everything in my heart to be like, good evening. That's for the girls who watched our Untucked.

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[Bob the Drag Queen]

right, so Betty chooses Denali, and then Daya Betty chooses. I should start saying Acid, because I always call her. I've always called her Betty. Everyone calls her Acid. I call her Betty.

[Naomi Smalls]

Yeah. I mean, she seems more Betty. I feel like Dia. I. I like, always called Diabetti. Dia. Yeah.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

What do you call Acid Betty?

[Naomi Smalls]

I might just call her Acid, actually. You think?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Everyone calls her Acid. I'm the only one who calls her Betty. So Acid chooses Denali. Daya chooses Ginger, and Alyssa and Cynthia kind of end up together.

[Naomi Smalls]

Right?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

And. But they're. They're happy. Like, you know, we're Puerto Rican sisters. We're gonna get this cooking. I honestly wish I could have seen Daya Betty with Acid Betty. I feel like that would have been a really great choice. But Acid Betty had her pick, and she chose Denali.

[Naomi Smalls]

So do you think that Cynthia had any feelings about Acid not being with her?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Well, she said that she had feelings about. Because then after they start sewing. Diabetes is like. Diabetes looks at Alyssa and she's like, do you feel some kind of. Do you feel hurt? Are you mad? She goes, yeah, I am. Actually. I am a little hurt. And Cynthia was like, I'm a little hurt, too, because no one wanted to. It seemed like no one wanted to work with Cynthia. Like, Cynthia wasn't at the top of anyone's list. You know what I mean?

[Naomi Smalls]

Yeah, for sure.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

And I feel like. I mean, who would you want to work with?

[Naomi Smalls]

I mean, call me basic, but I feel like I would want Acid. She's just, like, such a creative. We have seen time and time again, like, how amazing she is when it comes with, like, creating her vision, making it come to life. And I feel like her creativity knows no bounds, and that's like a goal in a drag race.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

And only that I remember back. I don't know if I'm allowed to mention this. I don't want to trigger you.

[Naomi Smalls]

Oh, God, here we go.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Anyway, back to spitting in a. Spitting in a bag. But during Klarna Gate.

[Naomi Smalls]

I'm listening.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

During Clarnegate, um, Kim, one of her social posts, which is so funny. Kim. The way Kim recorded this one post, it looked like gun to head. Like, I felt like, like, you and other girls were, like, doing these things. And Kim, I mean, it looked like she had a gun to her head. She's wearing this. This coat. Acid Betty made her this, like, square bubble coat, but it was, like, almost like vinyl. And the coat comes up to here, so you can't see him's mouth. You can't. All you see is her eyes. She's wearing a bob. And if Kim's wearing a little bob, she's tapped out. If.

[Naomi Smalls]

Yes.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

If you see Kim and Lil Bob, she's either goofing off or she is tapped the fuck out. She has this little bob on, and you can't see anything. You can hear the paper off camera crumpling as she's reading. I always think about that when I think about Asabetti's sewing. And I was like, ken, where did you get this coat from? She goes, azid, Betty made it. But that just. I don't know why that sent me. That sentence sent me to the moon. I was obsessed with that video.

[Naomi Smalls]

That's so funny.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

It's probably still on Kim's page. Someone go back and try to find. She might have. I feel like she went about. She might have been. But I remember the coat. The coat. For sure. But anyway.

[Naomi Smalls]

Taught us so many things about social media that was, like, our first ever, like, brand partnership. And just, like, now, knowing what brands ask of and how you can, like, remix it and make it make sense for yourself is so different than Ben Clara.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Low key changed the game for. For Drag Race girls getting deals and sponsorships. Low key.

[Naomi Smalls]

I think so, yeah.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

And when. And when I had heard what y' all had made, I was like, bitch, I would have made them bitch. I would have made lemonade post. So. So they're also. So diabetes. Seems concerned about Ginger's aesthetic choices, which I think is valid.

[Jacob]

Mm.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

That is valid. And Betty is. So Betty's throwing out all these ideas back and forth, like, so many ideas. It seems like it's madness. Betty's throwing out, like, a million. Like, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom.

[Naomi Smalls]

Fish and bird and fire and ice and floor and ceiling.

[Jacob]

Yeah, yeah.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

And left and right and up and down and black and white and day and night. It's like, girls, beat, beat, bitch, move slow. Savannah's Savannah, slow down. Savannah, slow down. But then I. Denal is like, okay, I think we're overthinking this. So then RuPaul walks in, and this where the. The world learns that Cynthia Le Fontaine has had a lot of health issues. She had liver cancer shortly after our season. Or is it shortly after season nine? I can't remember.

[Naomi Smalls]

Why do I feel like it was.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I remember learning it was between the seasons, I believe.

[Naomi Smalls]

Yeah, I think it was between. And I just remember, like, hearing that Acid Betty went to, like, go stay with her. I think it was, like, before. Like, either before our cast announcement or like, our season was happening, and I just remember being like, wow, acid's a real one for that.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Yeah, Betty's.

[Naomi Smalls]

She.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

She's a. She's a real one. She's had liver cancer. She had lower back surgery, and she had a hip replacement. I just saw her in Austin when I was on tour, and girl, like, she was. Like, she had just gotten off her walker, I think.

[Naomi Smalls]

Wow.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Like, she was using a walker. Like, she. I mean, having a hip replacement is a. Obviously a massive surgery, but Cynthia is. But she smiles through everything. Like. Like, that girl is unflappable. Like, she is, y', all, when I tell you something, is genuinely probably the nicest drag queen I've ever met in my life. And it's genuine. It's not fake. It's not phony. She's just genuinely one of the most lovely people I've ever met in my life, ever.

[Naomi Smalls]

I feel like also, for you to say that about a drag queen speaks volumes, like, for you to care.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

To even mention it. Yeah.

[Naomi Smalls]

To even mention it. Yeah.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Yeah. She's. She's. She is genuinely. She is. I. I'm gonna. I don't. I can't speak because I don't know every other Miss Congenial. I don't know all those people, but I think that Cynthia Fontaine might be the most deserving Miss Congeniality ever.

[Naomi Smalls]

Well, I mean, she kind of is the last one since they switched it to fan favorite

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Yay, Ben. Favorite Yay. Did anyone on this season win a design challenge? Everyone's like, I got sent home. I was in the bottom. The. Any. I was safe. Did any. I don't think anyone from this bracket won their design challenge.

[Naomi Smalls]

Yeah, I don't think so. I would totally. I could totally see Acid and Dia, though, winning.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

But Kim won that one, right? The. No, the. The money one. No, it wasn't money. It was. She was wearing money. Kim was a hairball. Honestly, the re Having us all do a different design challenge was actually one of their best ideas they've ever done. That was great. I mean, it would suck that you ended up with a boat.

[Naomi Smalls]

It honestly was probably for the best. I think it. I think it was like, I got away with a caper.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Do you remember when we thought that Robbie Turner was a plant by production,

[Naomi Smalls]

just like a spy?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

We really were convinced because what. The reason we all thought that was because, 1. She was kind of weird. She's just being Kind of weird. And then two. When she was c. When she was passing out the roles, the producers would.

[Naomi Smalls]

I don't.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

To this day, I don't know what they whisper in her ear. They would whisper something in her ear, and then she would pass out the assignments, and they would come whisper something else, and then she passed. My theory is that they were like, in this. First, you have to do these three girls. Next time, you have to do the. That's my theory. But to this day, I do not know what they whispered in her ear.

[Naomi Smalls]

I mean, I feel like they were like. It was all just trying to figure it out, because I do remember Robbie being like, oh, I was. I just choose one for myself.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Yeah.

[Naomi Smalls]

And then got. Ended up with dog poop.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Yeah, the dog poop thing, that was. We were like, she's. She works for them. She's an insider. This is RuPaul's best friend. Because you. Y' all be on the show makes you crazy. You. When you're on reality tv, you feel crazy.

[Naomi Smalls]

Yes. When all you have is, like, the four. The four walls of your hotel room, a pink work room, and no phone, literally, it makes you go insane.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

And I really love that when they. When Acid Betty's over there, she's like, I want to win. Like, I want to win this. I feel like a lot of girls are like, I just want to. I came here to have fun. I just want to. She's like, I want to win. I want to win this show.

[Naomi Smalls]

I want to prove to myself that I still got it.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Literally, betting's like, I want to win. I want to win something. I need to win, and I want a fucking win. And honestly, because a lot of girls are afraid to say that, which seems. I still think it's crazy when girls tell me they go on Drag Race and don't intend to win. I don't even know what to say, because that is so crazy to me. That's crazy.

[Naomi Smalls]

Especially now. It's not to me, that girl, but, like, when there's a more. It's double the prize of when we were competing, you know? So, like, yes, go in there and want to win.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

And not only that, with the market being so oversaturated, with so many of us, there are over. There are over 230ru girls. There are over 600 drag race girls internationally. I think the issue is, like, girl, now it's almost guaranteed that only, like, two or three of y' all are going to be touring.

[Naomi Smalls]

Right?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

So if you're not going to tour, you better make the. You better make the fucking money.

[Naomi Smalls]

Yeah, because.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Because, you know, going on Drag Race is expensive, y'. All. It is very expensive.

[Naomi Smalls]

Expensive to go on Drag Race. It's expensive to be a Drag Race girl after Drag Race. It's. It's a very expensive craft, for sure.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Can we talk about something we didn't talk about yet? The amount of time these girls have done this show. Acid Betty's done the show twice. This is her second round. Denali's done the show twice. Her second round, Diabetti twice. Ginger Minj is on her fourth Drag Race run. Alyssa Summers is on her second, and Sylvia Potan is on her third.

[Naomi Smalls]

Does it count if the Hunter.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Sorry, Alyssa Hunter is on her second. Does it count? What do you think?

[Naomi Smalls]

It counts. Like, I. In my mind, Cynthia came back twice because she. This. I feel like All Stars are just so insanely different than a regular season.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

So you don't think that. But Cynthia, Cynthia didn't go home from an injury. She did her entire season. She did two full seasons and had two full runs. She wasn't sitting home like Eureka. She just got sent home.

[Naomi Smalls]

But on those original seasons, she's at the mercy of the judges. Fully.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Yeah.

[Naomi Smalls]

Not reliant on, like, all your competitors. Like, you are in every season of All Stars, you know.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

So do you consider Eureka having done it four times if you include Canada in two seasons?

[Naomi Smalls]

No, I consider her doing it, like, three. Three times. Three times.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

That's interesting.

[Naomi Smalls]

But that's just like me. I. I definitely feel like Ginger has competed four times.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Yeah, she's done three All Stars.

[Naomi Smalls]

I mean, I would believe sex if you told me it was six.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Well, my question is, wait, so does she.

[Naomi Smalls]

Is.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Are she in and juju be tied now? Because juju did UK vs the world. She did two All Stars. She did her season, but then she also did Queen of the Universe.

[Naomi Smalls]

Oh, that's right.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

And she did the one with the students drag you.

[Naomi Smalls]

Oh, yeah. Oh, my God.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

She did Celebrity Drag Race.

[Naomi Smalls]

Oh. I mean, she is definitely the most decorated. Or what would you call it? Most appeared.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Use. You pass around.

[Naomi Smalls]

Loaded up. Loaded the fuck up.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

By the way, people got a real kick out of you saying presenting hole. That was a real. A real hit on the podcast. She's presenting whole to Tina Burner.

[Naomi Smalls]

I have to tell you something that I wish I would have had edited out for the untucked.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Got it. Okay, so we get back to sewing. This is where Alyssa Hunter said that she was hurt that diabetic didn't choose her and, and also, just so you guys know, I don't know why this cracked me up so much at 38 minutes and 13 seconds. For some reason. That does not make any sense. They just show Alyssa Hunter picking a wedgie. I do not know why they included this footage. It didn't. It was. It wasn't about it. It wasn't even like a hot thing. It wasn't like, you know, when they zoomed in on Denali's ass and like, showed her ass walking away. They do that a lot. If you. If.

[Naomi Smalls]

If you. I feel like that was a weird shot as well, but they do.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

They've done it before. Like, if you. If someone mentions your butt, they will show your butt. They did it with Delilah McQueen because Chi Chi was talking about how cute her butt was, and they shot Talalah's butt. So they will show butts if someone's talking about your butt. But it was just a random shot of Alyssa just picking a wedgie at 38 minutes and 13 seconds. If you don't believe me, check the timestamp. It was. It was a crazy cut.

[Naomi Smalls]

Can we talk about the interview trade jacket?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Yeah. How do you feel about the trade jacket now?

[Naomi Smalls]

How do you feel about the trade jacket?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

So. So me and Monet were famously had a conversation about Ora Mayori. And I don't really care about the being calling yourself Trey thing. I mean, I'm like, be confident. Say. Say the thing. Show your muscles. You worked for them. Show them off. You know, so it doesn't. It doesn't bother me when someone's like, I'm the trade. Because in her defense, she was being called that. Like, everyone was like, you are the trade of the season. It was like. It was. She was known for that more than this money gun thing that she thinks everyone remembers she was known for. I was like, does. There are certain stuff people be referencing? I'm like, girl, no one remembers that. I did not remember. I didn't remember that the money gun was the reason you went home.

[Naomi Smalls]

I think those are the two things that she's referencing pretty heavy.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Like, if lil mama Lydia came back in five years, baby, I wouldn't remember those scissors. I would not. I would not have remembered those scissors, baby. I'm sorry. I only remember because it was two weeks ago. You know what I mean?

[Naomi Smalls]

Totally. Totally.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

And I just didn't remember that you did the money gun. I had no clue. It just. It never even occurred to me. But how do you feel about the trade jacket?

[Naomi Smalls]

Has. No. I think I just Thought that was hideous.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Oh, I don't think the deck was pretty.

[Naomi Smalls]

No, I think it was. I also just like, you're not trade. You are not trade. No one ever told you that. No one ever told you that. You know, like, that's how I feel.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Damn. Cook, throw.

[Naomi Smalls]

But I guess I just also come from back. I just trade is just such a different. The way that Drag Race has diluted trade. Yeah, I guess she is trade.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Well, language evolves. And I think, and I know there's people who are like, you can't change. You actually can change language. It changes literally all the time. And the definition of the word, the word trade, whether people like it or not, it has expanded.

[Naomi Smalls]

Yeah, for sure.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Nail me to the cross.

[Naomi Smalls]

But trade in the Drag Race world to me is like, you have all your teeth and you have eyebrows.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Basically, as they say, language is descriptive, not prescriptive. Right. So it's just how people are using the word. So the definition of the word literally has literally changed. Like it has. The definition of the word literally has literally changed because people were just using it wrong. But it's not really what it's meant to say. It's what you mean when you say the words. So I'm sorry, y'.

[Naomi Smalls]

All.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

The definition of trade has changed. I don't know what you want me to tell you. I'm not one of the ballroom girls who's like, being like, you can't change it like Greg did. I'm sorry, you can't fight the only thing causing this change. So you're fighting an uphill battle.

[Naomi Smalls]

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[Bob the Drag Queen]

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[Naomi Smalls]

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[Bob the Drag Queen]

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[Naomi Smalls]

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[Bob the Drag Queen]

So the next day, Betty. We find out that Betty wrote the script for her and Denali. I have a sneaking suspicion that Betty also made these bodices. Yes, and by the way, that has not been confirmed. That's just my suspicion.

[Naomi Smalls]

So what did.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

So what did Denali do?

[Naomi Smalls]

She chose the right partner. That's for damn sure that.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Well, Betty chose her technically, so she didn't even choose.

[Jacob]

She.

[Naomi Smalls]

She worked out hard enough to be the prettiest polished. The trade.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

You mean. You mean the trade of a season

[Naomi Smalls]

or whatever you want to call it.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I do love her tank top. Her interview tank top is so cute.

[Naomi Smalls]

I love that, like, the invisible, like, strap.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

It's so cute.

[Naomi Smalls]

That was very cute. I mean, she. This is the way that you would want to go back to All Stars. Like, so. So not even so, like, it's not even coming back, like, looking so skinny or so pumped up. It's like you just look healthy and you're glowing, and I feel like Denali just looks ready for it.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I don't know. Coming back pumped up is kind of iconic. Like, I feel like Alaska made coming back pumped up a thing. Maybe I'm losing my brain for that. I feel like Alaska is the reason girls come back pumped up.

[Naomi Smalls]

I think, like, that whole season, I feel like Adora was pretty pumped up.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Detox was pumped up the first time.

[Naomi Smalls]

Yeah. Detox been pumped up.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

You ain't gotta get pumped up. If you stay pumped up. You ain't gotta get. So Cynthia and Ari. So Cynthia Erivo and Ariana Grande walk into the room. These two, they're a lot. I love them both. They are so, like. Because I feel like usually folks walk in the room and they're like. They're basically, like, fawning all over the girls or they're goofing off, but it turned into, like, this, like, deeply emotional

[Naomi Smalls]

love for each other.

[Jacob]

Yeah.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Cause when they're interviewing, they're really, like. They're really with each other. They're not the camera. Yeah, yeah, the camera's there. They're really, like, there to support each other through this interview. And then Ginger starts crying because she feels connected to the movie Wicked or Wizard of Oz, which I said on my YouTube or my TikTok before, there's something about Disney gays and wizard of Oz gays. The Venn diagram is a perfect circle. Like, if you love wizard of Oz, you are a Disney gay.

[Naomi Smalls]

I didn't even know that was a genre of gay. Wizard of Oz gay.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Wizard of Oz gay girl.

[Naomi Smalls]

Really?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Wizard of Oz gays are a full thing. Todrick is a Wizard of Oz gay. Ginger's a Wizard of Oz gay.

[Naomi Smalls]

Rue is a, like, I know Rude loves it.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Well, I know that Rue does the shoe thing a lot. Whenever you mention her shoes, she does the Dorothy Gale shoe turn. And I guess she does like it a lot. She's more of a Diana Ross gay.

[Naomi Smalls]

I don't see Rue as a Disney gay, though, because I don't think.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Because I don't know Rue. I don't haven't seen Rue talk that much about wizard of Oz, but I know that Ru is a Diana Ross gay. If anything, Rue is a Cher, Diana ross, like, over 60s diva gay. Yeah, honestly, over 70s, because RuPaul is in her 60s. So if you're a diva over 70, RuPaul will worship at your throne for sure.

[Naomi Smalls]

You guys watching at Home Taliyah, the episodes that Bob mentions? Ru's age.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I just said in her 60s. I didn't say the age this time. So that one doesn't count. That one doesn't count. So then we go to the main stage. So let's talk about these looks.

[Naomi Smalls]

So wait, I have a question. Are you more Elphaba or more Glinda?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I think that I'm sitting as I wear pink. I think that in reality, I'm much more of a Glinda. I don't have what it takes to do what Elphaba did. Like, fuck the whole system. Stealing the grimory, like, fighting these monkeys, like, But. But I think that on a more surface level, I am much more Elphaba than I am Glenda, for sure.

[Naomi Smalls]

Yeah. What are you, Bowen? Yang.

[Jacob]

Then Bob is madamurable.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I'm madamurable.

[Jacob]

Yeah, absolutely.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

And Jacob is Bach. All right, let's look at these looks together. Here we go. Well, you know, I'm gonna say it. I love this dress RuPaul's wearing. You know, I'm gonna say it. I love it.

[Naomi Smalls]

I love it, too. It's like.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

It's, like, wrapped around her body. It looks so good. Honestly, everyone looks amazing. Every look up here. Law Roach. I love this suit. Ariana Grande. Love that look. Cynthia Revo. Michelle looks so good. Every look up here is amazing.

[Naomi Smalls]

I'm obsessed with Ariana Grande's dress. This Balmain dress is, like, doing it for me. This pose that she hit for the Runway is not even, like, hitting, like, all the amazing, like, metal flowers that's in there. Stunning.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I'm convinced that these are composite photos.

[Naomi Smalls]

They have to be right, Because I

[Bob the Drag Queen]

don't think that Ariana Grande and La Roach are that close in height. And I certainly don't think that Ariana Grande comes up to RuPaul's shoulder.

[Jacob]

Oh, no, they're. They're absolutely composite folders, without a doubt. Sometimes if you look at them, they forget to put in the shadows and

[Bob the Drag Queen]

the reflection screaming, ariana Grande is just not coming up through Paul's shoulder. On. On no day is that happening. Never. Not once.

[Naomi Smalls]

Best stylist in the world. God damn, these are some hideous glasses. Hideous glasses.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Yeah. I didn't love the glasses too much, but I. But I do love that suit, though.

[Naomi Smalls]

Just, like, just the timing, like, these glasses would have been fine in 2017 or something, but not. Not on this current day.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Shots fired. Let's go on to our first two queens, who are Diabetti and Ginger Minj. They chose to be the queens of Water. I love Dia Betty's look. I. This hair is. I love this, like, buzz cut with fins or, like, short hair with fins look. Aquaria does it out of. Have you seen Aquaria's, like, byhawk look that she does?

[Naomi Smalls]

Yeah, for sure.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I want to say right now, in my opinion, and I'm not a fashionista or anything, but I genuinely think that the two queens from Drag Race who understand fashion better than any other queens from the show are Rajah and Aquaria.

[Naomi Smalls]

For sure.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Like, what Aquaria and Rajah do out of drag. Listen to me carefully. What they do out of drag is always sickening. Every single time. When Raj. One of those, like, long, flowy caftans or her, like, big hat and her, like, it's always. It's just always spot on every time. And Aquarius Instagram is so fucking awesome to me.

[Naomi Smalls]

Yeah. Effortless or it comes across as effortless.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Yeah.

[Naomi Smalls]

And I feel like that's, like, more like they're like, obviously they love fashion and everything, but I feel like they just have, like, engraved style. Sense of style. Yeah. They just know who they are.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Yeah, it's. Yeah, it's ingrained in them. Ginger Minja's look, this. Let's keep it a buck. This is a tank dress.

[Naomi Smalls]

I hate this. I, like, actually hate this. It gives me, like, maleficent and stitch. If we're going in, like, the Disney

[Bob the Drag Queen]

route, it is, like, I just don't understand what the judges were seeing that I'm not seeing.

[Naomi Smalls]

I think. I don't think you're alone in that.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

And they were really, like, raving.

[Naomi Smalls]

If there was, like, some, like, dying elements that happened. Like this whole, like, tie dye, black splatter on Ginger, which, like, I do like that as a detail when it comes to the look and, like, the customization of it, but it makes no. No sense for Glinda.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Did she dye it or paint it herself?

[Naomi Smalls]

I. I don't. I mean, I don't know if she did or d. Did or Whatever happened. But, like, I like that detail for the look. But when you're putting it in the grand scheme of, like, Glinda and Elphaba. What about navy with black ink splatter says Glinda?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Well, to be fair, they're good witches and bad witches, because RuPaul was like, I'm not looking for no Elphaba and Glinda cosplay. I'm just looking for a good witch and a bad witch. Now I will say to me, Diabetti is clearly a bad witch. I do not see what's good witch about what. What Ginger Minj is doing.

[Naomi Smalls]

I think in her mind, it's like, I wear blonde.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Yeah, maybe. And I will say this. This challenge is really hard. Telling this story in such a short amount of time, basically, through. Through voiceover and, like, having to, like, walk and basically act it out while you do it is a. It is a really. It's a hard. It's a hard challenge. I. I do not envy the girls for having to do this, but something about theirs was. It was a little too on the nose. You know what I mean?

[Naomi Smalls]

Yeah.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Like, I'm not above a joke. That is a standard. But there comes a point where I'm like, guys, these jokes are, like, stale. Stale.

[Jacob]

I have a question.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I have an answer.

[Jacob]

A lot of the times when they're doing Drag Race challenges like this, where they have to, like, have a script online, it seems like they're giving a Mad Libs outline, and they fill in certain words and phrases.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Is that the case? So, no. So we did this on our season. We did this with. With our. That's. That's my mama challenge, where we. They basically gave it. Told us to write monologues, and then we just go into, like, a really unpretty room. It was, like, in the corner of the soundstage.

[Naomi Smalls]

Like, fluorescent lighting. Yeah.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Yeah. With, like, a blanket over your head, basically. And you just record this off camera. You just record into the thing, and it's up to you. You just write what you want to write. They just. They give you. It has to be this amount of time, and you just say whatever you want to say, basically.

[Jacob]

But there are some other ones. Like the princess challenge from season nine, where all the girls were basically like, my name is Blink. I'm from the kingdom of Blink. I like Blink, and my magical powers are Blink.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Well, I think with those, they probably just had to hit certain points. I. I don't know. I wasn't on season nine. I would. I would know how to answer that. Question. But it seemed like they just had to hit certain points just to make it make sense, I guess. Like, if the challenge is, where are you from? What are your powers? You have to say it at some point. You know what I mean? But also, Drag Race girls, we tend to be a little formulaic. You know, there's a reason why every girl says their name and says they're going to take the crown in their. In their verses. You know, maybe I say Naomi.

[Naomi Smalls]

No, I could actually totally see what Jacob's saying. Like, when I listened to this of Daya and Ginger, it did sound like Mad Libs a bit. It didn't sound like anything like, straight from

[Bob the Drag Queen]

their brains. I don't think, though, that they've kind of facilitated your. It's a little bit easier now than it used to be.

[Naomi Smalls]

Oh, my God. Even just the fact that they have, like, a month plus to get ready for it instead of two weeks, you know that alone.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Yeah, we got ready in two weeks. And by the way, you don't. You don't pre Prepare for any challenges. I've heard girls are walking in with verses written. I've heard girls are getting all, like, getting like, just. Y' all realize when we did season eight, we didn't even know. They just gave us a list of looks. We didn't know what was for a challenge. We didn't know what was for the Runway. So we did not get a list of Runway looks. We were just like, get these 20 looks together. Do it in two weeks. So there are times you would spend more time on a look, and it would fully be for a challenge, but not only for a challenge, but for a look that you weren't even. You weren't even asked to do. Like, for example, we prepared everything in the Ryuko's Empire, There were four characters. We prepared all four looks.

[Naomi Smalls]

Right.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

We did every look in there. We did all four of those looks.

[Naomi Smalls]

Like.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

So we just never got to wear certain ones.

[Naomi Smalls]

I feel like they were figuring it out.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Yeah.

[Naomi Smalls]

Which, I mean, to be one of the early season girls, that's just. It's organically gonna happen that way.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

It is what it is, my boy.

[Naomi Smalls]

Eating the goddamn way.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

No, literally. Literally. But I. I enjoy Diabet a little bit more in this one. I like the way she was moving her body. I like her outfit. I thought it was great, honestly.

[Naomi Smalls]

Also, Daya is, like one of the. In my opinion, one of the best makeup artists on Drag Race.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

She. She. She always looks great. I agree.

[Naomi Smalls]

Just so detailed.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Let's go on to Cynthia Lee Fontaine and Alyssa Hunter. So Alyssa, they're. They're doing these, like, fire and water looks. And so, you know, I gotta be honest. Maybe it's just this still, but in a second look, I like Cynthia's more than I did on the show. I don't know what's going on, but in this iteration, I honestly kind of like it.

[Naomi Smalls]

Yeah. No, I feel like this is very obviously good and bad. They almost look like Pokemon, which I. That's for Jacob.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Shout out to the pokegays.

[Naomi Smalls]

Totally remind me of Pokemon. I feel like Alyssa's hair is something I actually have never seen before.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Yeah.

[Naomi Smalls]

Which I. Which I really enjoy.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Alyssa did not lie. This bitch is a fucking whiz with a hot glue gun. Like, this is a lot to do with hot glue. Like, it looks good.

[Naomi Smalls]

Yeah. No, this looks amazing. I'm very impressed. I'm actually. Yeah. I think that there's something about the whole, like, narrating that can either really help you or hinder you.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Well, here's how it hindered Alyssa. Alyssa was like, my money gun works now, but then why don't you use it?

[Naomi Smalls]

Yes. Yes. I thought the exact same thing when I saw that. Like, what. Prove that.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Like, literally. Like, this is literally Chekhov's gun. She's been. Do you know about Chekhov's gun? So if you see a gun in Act 1 by Act 2 or 3, it's gonna have to be fired or used at some point. Like, if you show the gun, you have to, like. She's literally been talking about this gun, the. And since she first walked onto the stage, basically. And then she finally showed it, but didn't even use it. That's crazy.

[Naomi Smalls]

Crazy.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

But, yeah, she looks good. You know what I keep seeing from girls, y'?

[Naomi Smalls]

All?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

If you make your.

[Naomi Smalls]

I.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

My tights. I either make them or I get them made for me because they stop selling my. My color and tights. If you get tights made, you have to put the seam at the back of your leg. Do not put the seam on the side. That's the one thing that was driving me crazy about Alyssa's look, is that the seam was on the side. It's supposed to look like skin, but. But there's a seam going up the side of your leg.

[Jacob]

Wait, really quickly. Can we talk about the Beyonce tight drought?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Okay, so the reason why I started making my own tights, and I actually started making them around season seven of RuPaul's Drag Race is because Beyonce and her team were on tour. They came into the city. And they went to the Capezio store, allegedly, and bought up every single pair of black person tights there was at all the Capezios, or at least the one I was shopping at. So I could not find my color tights at all. I only had a white people, literally white and ballet pink in black. I could not find black people tights. It was insane. You could not find white people tights in New York City for, like, a hot minute. So then I was like, oh, fuck, I need to start making my own tight. So I started. I went and just bought brown spandex, and I just made myself a pair of tights. And honestly, if you're a queen out there, I don't recommend. I cannot. I cannot recommend it enough because, one. Your tights will never run. Ever run. They don't. It's spandex. They don't rip. They don't run. I know Naomi's not a tight girl. Although I have seen a few days where the legs were covered. So just make sure. Y' all know.

[Naomi Smalls]

You can't just let me hold a record. You just can't let me.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

But, yeah, that was. That was, like, literally insane. It was. It was crazy. Do you have any other thoughts about these two looks?

[Naomi Smalls]

No. Yeah, totally. The money gun. And, I mean, I did, like the chunk la. I guess I actually.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

You know what I really loved? I wrote it down. Do you remember that I had liver cancer, mija.

[Naomi Smalls]

Okay. When Alyssa gave her that idea where she's like, you're gonna be my old, crazy aunt, and I'm gonna be your young, spry niece. I don't care what the age difference is. I'm not doing that. I don't care if, like, Lydia Butthole Collins is trying to call me Tia. I'm not doing that storyline.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

And that's why you're not missing geniality. And she was.

[Naomi Smalls]

T. T, T, T,

[Bob the Drag Queen]

You are now older than I was on Drag Race. It's weird when you. When you. When you.

[Naomi Smalls]

All right, so up next, we have Denali.

[Jacob]

And Acid Bob is the same age as Acid Betty was on your season of Drag Race.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I'm the age Betty was on my season of Drag Race, which is, whenever I meet someone, I realize I'm older than they were when I met. Blows my mind. Like, oh, my God. I'm older than you were when you. When I. I was a. I was a baby compared to you. So let's go into Acid Betty and Denali. So I'm really shocked. First of all, this was my favorite Script

[Naomi Smalls]

for sure.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

The idea was so fun, I didn't come across corny. If they did not spoil it for us in Act 1, that iced coffee thing would have been such a fun surprise. Like, I wish they hadn't told that they were going to work at a coffee shop together. Because, like, fire and ice making iced coffee, that was actually, like, low key. Like, I'm not going to go. Okay. I'm not going to be hyperbolic, because everyone read me for saying Tina Burner was flawless. But I'm not going to go as far as to say it was like M. Night Shyamalan twist. But okay. I never saw it coming.

[Naomi Smalls]

If Tina was in this look that Acid's wearing, it'd be game over.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Oh, baby. If she came out in Fire, they'd have been like, actually, we are doing eliminations. Let's go into their looks. The. Okay. I can't get over it, guys. Acid Betty looks amazing.

[Naomi Smalls]

She really does.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

It was so. We're going to get to the judging in a second. This look is great. It was weird. They were acting like she does not look stunning. That was so strange to me.

[Naomi Smalls]

I mean, I will say, when Law called it out, it would have been nice just to have some asymmetry with the skirt. Like, I don't think it looks safety pinned up in hodgepodge, like Law was saying. But the fact that it was, like, kind of more of a. I don't know what you would call that kind of cloth complete, but it's like, like, brought up instead of, like, I think she could have showed one leg.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Yeah.

[Naomi Smalls]

I don't know if it would have made her win, but, like, whatever, the side of her hair is going to pick the other side to do a leg slit on. And I think that would have just been, like, nice for the eyes to digest.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I don't think it was worth being, like, nitpicking, this skirt thing. You know what I mean?

[Naomi Smalls]

It wasn't worth putting Ginger over this, that's for damn sure.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

And I do like Denali's dress. I love the Denali pattern for this. I actually really appreciate when a girl pads and doesn't pad. There's something really nice about being like, you know when to pad and you know when not to pad. And I think Denali genuinely gets it. She knows when to pad. She knows when not to pad. That being said, I could see the bottom of her pads. Her pads were not smooth at the bottom. Like, it was like. It. It was giving. It was giving. Sometime if you don't smooth your Pad out the bottom. It looks like a, like a really overly muscular thigh muscle popping out. But. But still the shape is quite nice. And I, I do think that she looks good. These two look. They look great.

[Naomi Smalls]

And you think her thigh, like her hip pad goes all the way down to her, like, knee here?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

It looks like it stops right above her knee. Like, right above the knee. I can. You can. You don't. If you zoom in, you can see the lip of the bottom of the pad. Do you zoom into it?

[Naomi Smalls]

Yeah. I'm so, like, I want her to, like, say something about it because I know that is so, like, she has. This is coming from someone who's, you know, known for their legs. She has some of the most, like, strong, like, most powerful looking legs I've ever seen. So I'm very curious. Like, if it's a combination of the pad on top of her, like, already muscular thighs, it's not.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Did you zoom into the bottom of her right leg? And you see that, that bump out there, that, that lip down there? Yeah, that's what I'm talking about. Yeah. Her muscle, her muscles aren't doing that. Cameron Michaels don't. Doesn't even look like that when she does, when she does drag.

[Naomi Smalls]

See, she hasn't been drag.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Oh, she. I kind of look, he did quit, actually.

[Naomi Smalls]

I know. I mean, she should, she should just be hot. She's so hot.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I thought you were gonna say because you, because you. Because you hate her drag. I was like, damn, Naomi's not.

[Naomi Smalls]

No, she's actually, I mean, your season only fans now. Cameron Michaels is one of the queens I have spent the most time with in my entire life because we shared a dressing room in Vegas for like two years straight.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I gotta be honest, every time I've ever hung out with camera Michael. She's been lovely.

[Naomi Smalls]

Love her.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Love her.

[Naomi Smalls]

We've had the most weird, like, deep conversations and, like, deep conversations in silence. And like, I've cried. She's cried. I love that bitch. Yeah.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I like Cameron, Michael. She's fierce. I'm really intrigued by. During the judging. It was never brought up that Acid Betty wrote the script. Betty has a little bit too much integrity to say it herself. But like Denali, when they were like, dragging your friend for her skirt, you could have been like, just to be clear, Acid Betty, like, wrote the script.

[Naomi Smalls]

Yeah.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Or I wonder, did Betty show her how to make this bodice or did she make it herself? I don't know. Cause if she, if Betty showed her how to make this bodice or made the bodice for her, and they were, like, worshiping me and dragging her skirt. I've been like. I'd have been like, just to be clear, ask Betty either show me how to do this or she made this, because they have the exact same arm cut out that Schiaparelli inspired arm cut out. And it is weird if she. If Betty made this or showed how to make this and she didn't say anything, that's crazy to me, right?

[Naomi Smalls]

Stop. We got to stop with the, like, hot word designer plugin for your looks.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

What do you mean?

[Naomi Smalls]

Like, I feel like there's been so. I mean, I. I'm guilty of this. Like, it's giving Vivy and Westwood. Is it, like, is this really giving Schiaparelli? Is this really giving Schiaparelli? Like, I don't know if it is or not.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I don't know if it is or not, but I know that Betty said she was going to try to go for Schiaparelli, and then Laarach saw Schiaparelli. I mean, that's crazy. I just realized that when I was on Legendary, me and Laroche had an argument about Schiaparelli. I, like, literally just remember that. But I feel like the one that we get the most often is Vivian Westwood.

[Naomi Smalls]

Either the hint of safety pin deconstructed plus plaid tartan, anything British, it's giving

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Vivian Westwood Westwood down. Honey, I am Vivian Westwood.

[Naomi Smalls]

But, like, I don't see Schiaparelli in. Like, I'm not. I actually see amazing in Acids, and I also see amazing in Denali, so I just don't see Scaparelli in either.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Yeah, I don't know enough about Schiaparelli to even make that comment. Yeah, I feel like this was. This was a tough challenge. And so, to be clear, everyone on the main stage to the judge's face got great critiques. Except for Acid Betty, no one got a single bad critique except for Acid Betty, which seems like they're insinuating that Betty was in the bottom. Like, the. No, not in the bottom. Was the bottom.

[Naomi Smalls]

Yeah.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

They didn't say crazy, but they insinuated it. And. But then what's weird was when they left back, they started dragging the girls. They started being like. They were like, denali's padding is bad. Cynthia. And fucking. I could see through her sheer skirt. I could see her fucking pads. Cynthia and Alyssa, I could. Like, it was clearly. It looked like cardboard. Like, I was like, what?

[Naomi Smalls]

I know. I was kind of gagged to hear RuPaul talking about cardboard triggered.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

But I feel like, what is going, like, wow, that was crazy.

[Naomi Smalls]

Embrace the material.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

But it's just weird to me that, like, they. I don't know. I don't know what they actually did, but all we see is Ace Betty being the only person getting a negative critique on stage. And they saved all their negative critiques for the. For three other people after they left.

[Naomi Smalls]

I mean, Acid buddy did tell Rue, go fuck yourself in the workroom.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

That is true.

[Naomi Smalls]

Just the day before.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

That is true. Are they trying to. Are they trying to see how, like, if they can get better, to snap? Like, are we going to get some great tv? Because I'm not going to lie, I think this might be the Kumbaya bracket.

[Naomi Smalls]

You think so?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I think it's going to be the Kumbaya bracket.

[Jacob]

For sure.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

For sure.

[Naomi Smalls]

Yeah. I feel like I could. I could totally see that. I don't think Betty is going in that with that headspace, but I do think that Ginger is going in with the headspace.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Denali is. Cynthia Lee Fontaine is. And Alyssa might even be.

[Naomi Smalls]

They're not trying to ruffle any feathers. We're not trying to upset the fans. They gave me those kind of vibe. Also.

[Jacob]

I feel like for the next bracket, they're just going to give their teammates the point, and there's not going to be even any point.

[Naomi Smalls]

Drama.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Yeah, that's what I'm saying, too. Like, I feel like this. This point exchange is going to just be like, literally, the two of us who didn't win. Give your partner the point. If they did not, I would get. Because at one point, they showed a clip the next week of Betty being like, we're not gonna give you the point, Diabetti, which obviously. Why the fuck would you give Diabetti a point if you're in the bottom, bitch? You won. You're good, bro.

[Naomi Smalls]

Right?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

But that's not even. That's not even gonna be. I bet next week. Diabetic. Like, of course. Why would you like. I bet that's gonna be the clip of them being like, yeah, of course. Why would you do that? Anyway, let's do our makeup. Like, I don't see any drama coming from this. From this group, to be honest.

[Naomi Smalls]

No, no. Sadly. Sadly. I really wish that Acid was against a mistress or someone like, someone in the first bracket.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I know, I know. I'm still trying to figure out what world we live in where they're saying that Betty's outfit looks bad. Acid, Betty's looks bad, and that Ginger Midge looks good. I Feel like I'm in the Upside down.

[Naomi Smalls]

This was, this is, it's. This is when it's really hard to look at it with like, unbiased, untrusting. What's the way you want to look? What's another way for that?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Like, it's just hard to trust the. It's hard to trust the validity of the critiques.

[Naomi Smalls]

Yes. When you. And then when you get the lip sync and like, yeah, it's tough to like, because this look is Boo Boo the Fool.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

So they, they, they go back and do untucked and only Acid Betty and Ginger Minj change, which I found interesting. Um, and then we found out that Ginger Minj and Diabetti are the winners of the, of this week's challenge. And at some point, Ginger Minj just. Ginger Minj is two years older than me. And she said they were saying, you're gonna do Defying Gravity. And she said, 14 year old me is shitting her pants right now. I don't want to run the crush the numbers, but girl, it came out when I was 17. This bitch is almost 20. Like, Gingerbread was a grown ass tax paying citizen when wicked came out. 14 year old, grown, tax paying anyway. However, I digress. So they lifted to Defying Gravity, which was a very weird because you all. So what they do is we lip sync the entire song on Drag Race and they just edit it down because these songs are long. What was the one that Cynthia and Robbie Turner lip sync to?

[Naomi Smalls]

That Faith.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

That Faith. That Faith. Faith Evans song. Yo, that song was long.

[Naomi Smalls]

Oh, my gosh. I feel like that was the song that we used to sing the most.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Oh, it was. It's such a banger. Na na na. No, no, no, no. That's Alex Newell. I started doing a couple likes, but

[Naomi Smalls]

that's very like Pride Coded that song, though.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Mesmerized.

[Naomi Smalls]

Yes.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

But it's a remix, y'.

[Naomi Smalls]

All.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

You can't just go, listen. It's like a. It's like a. It's like the Dude Doot remix, like the, the Thunderpuss mesmerized remix. But y', all, they were up there skating, singing forever. That song was long as fuck. And they, they chop it down. So they cut out all the parts with Glenda. It was a very strange cut if, you know Defying Gravity. Like, this is a weird edit of this song.

[Naomi Smalls]

I know. And it's a shame that it. I mean, I don't know how the whole timing of, like, Wicked came out, but I really do wish it was the Cynthia Ariana Version just for impact.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Yeah. I mean, as a millennial who was 17 and going to college and a theater kid in high school when it came out, I love the original version. Like, I love an idea Menzel Christian Chenoweth. But I also love the new one too. Like, I don't.

[Jacob]

I don't.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I don't feel super strongly about it. It's kind of like. And I'm telling you, I love Jennifer Hudson and Jennifer Holiday. I slightly favor one over the other,

[Naomi Smalls]

but, you know, I love both versions for sure. But I just think, like, having them sitting there, it would have been nice.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Ginger Minj wins the lip sync. Do you

[Naomi Smalls]

sure.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Yeah, it was. It was.

[Naomi Smalls]

I think she should have been there in the first place. No, but, like, that's just. Look at the look. Look at the look. That one.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

This lip sync was. It was fine. I honestly wish that they would have went a little more camp because, like, it's just so earnest, like iron. And Granny started crying. Like, this is. This is too. This is too much, y'.

[Naomi Smalls]

All.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

If you ever go and see.

[Jacob]

She was crying about how Acid Betty was robbed.

[Naomi Smalls]

Okay, well, now she's validated. Now the tears are all of a sudden. Validated.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

If you ever go and see a drag queen performing Defying Gravity, it's always camp. It's always some humor to it. They go into the. They grab a broom from the. Behind the bar. They tie a trash bag around their neck. This was like the most earnest rendition of a drag queen lip syncing this song that I have. I think I've ever seen in my life.

[Naomi Smalls]

And like a red LeMay barlock.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

It was. I think, honestly, I would have rather have seen the girls do Loathing or. What is this feeling?

[Naomi Smalls]

Oh, my God. Loathing would have been great.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

That would have been. Or even the wizard.

[Naomi Smalls]

And I was Wicked. Like, had these girls seen Cynthia and Ariana do Wicked at this point yet, or.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

No, I'm trying to remember because I.

[Jacob]

No, they filmed last summer and then Wicked came out in November.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Oh, yeah, I remember I ran into Cynthia this summer when I. Was I on my solo tour or was I on the Madonna tour? You're on the Madonna tour.

[Naomi Smalls]

Brag, brag, brag, brag, brag, brag, brag, brag, brag. By bragging.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Cynthia this poses fall in Austin, Texas. And, yeah, Wicked hadn't come out yet, but I think. I can't remember. She was going to All Stars. She got back from all. I can't. I genuinely can't remember.

[Jacob]

She must have gotten back Cynthia Fontaine Not Cynthia Rivo.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Cynthia Le Fontaine. I've not seen. I've not seen Cynthia Revo in a very long time.

[Jacob]

Well, you saw her. You did see her on the Madonna tour.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I didn't see her, actually. She was in the audience. I didn't even get to see her. I work never got to see her. So. Yeah. So Ginger Min. So Diabetti and Ginger man each get two points.

[Commercial Voice]

Ginger.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Ben's win. She gets an additional point. So Ginger is in the lead with 3. Diabetes in second place with 2. And the other girls have no points. They have a point to give away, but we do not know who they're going to give them to. My prediction is that next week they're going to just give out their points to their partner. That's my prediction.

[Naomi Smalls]

They're gonna, like, balance it out.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Who's moving on from this bracket?

[Naomi Smalls]

I would say Ginger, Acid Betty and Dia.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Yeah, I think it'll be Ginger Minj, Acid Betty and Daya Betty. Mainly because Acid Betty excels in design even though they try. Even though they played in her faces episode. She also is a good dancer as the. Betty can dance. A lot of people don't know that as Betty can fucking dance.

[Naomi Smalls]

And she's funny.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Yeah, well. Well, I don't know. Her Snatch Game was.

[Naomi Smalls]

You said, whoa, whoa, whoa. That's Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. I can't.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Amanda, slow down. But she is a really good queen and she excels at a lot of stuff. So those are the three that I think at this point, from what I know for they're bringing. Deserve to move on. I could see them swapping out Acid Betty and putting in Denali, though.

[Naomi Smalls]

Well, I do see Denali as a top contender. But now with the whole. It's now that I've seen how hard it is to dig yourself out of not winning in that first week. Yeah, I'm a little, like, weary, which is fair, especially because now the next week it challenge is like country bumpkin. I'm a country bunking, like.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

But also like, this is. Are they like, okay, first week, musical theater. Second week, country bumpkin. Third week, being a drag queen from Florida. Yeah. Fourth week, glamour toad. Fifth week, wearing an ugly interest look on your third run, like, what the fuck is this?

[Naomi Smalls]

I know.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

What the fuck is that?

[Naomi Smalls]

I hate it.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

What this is.

[Naomi Smalls]

I know. This is when I'm like, oh, I would not want to be on this fucking bracket.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

No musical theater country. If the next one is like, I don't know that I would be. I would be looking at the camera every episode. Like, for real. No, for real. Right. Right in front of my salad.

[Naomi Smalls]

Wicked country bumpkin Princess and the frog. It's gonna be something stupid like that Disney gay.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Who can do hocus pocus. Who can do hocus pocus the best. Like, this is crazy. I will see over on high tides, y'. All.