Sibling Watchery: Drag Race Season 8 Episode 5

Summary

Podcast Summary: Sibling Watchery – Drag Race Season 8, Episode 5

Podcast: Sibling Rivalry
Hosts: Monét X Change & Bob The Drag Queen
Episode Title: Sibling Watchery: Drag Race Season 8 Episode 5
Date: June 27, 2022

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Episode Overview

In this episode, Bob The Drag Queen and Monét X Change, both prominent queens from RuPaul’s Drag Race, recap and reflect on Season 8, Episode 5 (“Snatch Game”) of Drag Race. The tone is witty, unfiltered, and deeply nostalgic, as Bob relives their own competition run and Monét offers commentary and comedic insight. The episode opens with an acknowledgment of the overturning of Roe v. Wade—setting a somber, reflective mood—before pivoting into the core Drag Race & queer culture content the duo is known for.

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Major Discussion Points & Insights

Addressing Current Events (00:10–02:30)

• The hosts open with heavy hearts due to the Supreme Court’s ruling overturning Roe v. Wade and briefly discuss implications for wider rights.
  • Bob: "I do believe that it is a chain reaction and that, you know, one rollback begets another, you know." (01:29)
  • They consider doing a full episode on reproductive rights for deeper engagement with political topics.

Behind the Scenes: Drag Race Season 8, Episode 5

Microaggressions, Drama, and Shady Banter (03:00–10:00)

• “The Wild Episode”: Both hosts recall the episode’s tension, especially between Bob and Derrick Barry.
• Bob recounts the fight: “This whole episode started out with me and Derek fighting.” (03:20)
• Shade and Microaggressions: Bob and Monét analyze back-and-forths with Derrick, including memorable shade about ‘drug tests’ and ‘ratchet drag.’

Memorable Quote:
Bob (on episode drama): "When you ever say that side of your mouth as a bit, you're like, I think they're on drugs. I want a drug test." (04:22)

Contestant Dynamics and In-House Relationships (10:00–14:00)

• They reflect on contestant personalities, e.g. Bob as a morning person vs. how others—especially Monét—operate.
• Monét: “I've known you for going on 10 years now. Many times I walk into your apartment in the morning and wake you up at one o'clock in the afternoon.” (11:07)

Snatch Game Prep & Strategy Revealed (16:00–21:00)

• Bob’s Snatch Game Mindset: Bob shares why Carol Channing was their top choice and how early connections informed their performance.
  • Bob: "I really like Carol Channing… I just love her. She's so wonderful." (16:41)
• They discuss contestants’ character choices, with particular attention to how Bob pivoted away from Whoopi Goldberg due to their confidence in impersonation.
• Derrick Barry’s Controversial Choice: Discussion of show “Show Cantel Brown,” a Black-coded character Derrick intended to do for Snatch Game, unpacking how social norms and boundaries around race and performance have shifted since 2015.
  • Monét: "Derrick Berry choosing to do that for Snatch Game... I will say things have definitely changed. I don't think Derrick would do that now." (22:08)
• Kim Chi’s Snatch Game: Debates over whether “Kimmy Jong Un” was the first invented character and about the blurred lines in her comedic premise.

Detailed Breakdown of Snatch Game Performances (26:22–38:00)

• Thorgy’s Michael Jackson: Both agree Thorgy hit the details (“The fact that she had a little blanket doll there...that shit was really funny to me.” – 27:16)
• Kim Chi: Laughter at her physical choices, noting the difficulty of maintaining a hunched posture (28:59).
• Acid Betty’s Nancy Grace: Both hosts savage the look and performance, comparing it to “Barbara Streisand Missed Out Fire” (29:22).
• Robbie Turner’s Diana Vreeland: Faulted for dropping the French accent and setting up unrealistically high expectations.
• Naomi’s Tiffany “New York” Pollard: Strong start, but the performance fizzles; also, the attempt to shade New York’s wigs goes over the hosts’ heads.
• Chi Chi DeVayne’s Eartha Kitt and Derrick’s Britney Spears: Praised for strong showings; Betty is called out for being salty about Chi Chi’s success.
• Bob’s Double Character: Applauded for execution, notably the quick switch and for “showboating”—a critique by Michelle Visage that Bob unabashedly owns.
  • Bob: “I think that what I did this season worked out well for me, and I’m really glad I made the decisions I made.” (37:27)

Quotable exchange:
Monét: “This is a good Snatch Game. Only duds were Nancy Grace, New York, and Dana Vreeland. And everyone else was good." (38:06)

Guest Judges & Generational Gaps (38:18–39:50)

• Both models, Chanel Iman and Gigi Hadid, were unfamiliar with “Voguing,” revealing generational/cultural divides.

Iconic Runway: Night of a Thousand Madonnas / “Kimono-gate” (40:45–59:59)

Madonna Looks and Runway Scandal

• The Kimono Crisis: Six queens brought kimono-inspired Madonna looks, resulting in the now-iconic “Kimono-gate.”
  • Bob: “Six girls came with kimonos. Two kimonos had already been eliminated...Isn’t that wild?” (41:10)
• Look-by-Look Breakdown: The hosts analyze each outfit, with favorites and flops candidly called out.
  • Thorgy’s kimono gets highest marks from Monét ("I love the asymmetry…” – 51:25)
  • Betty’s Illusion Look: Universally praised; “Betty fucking nailed it.” (57:58)
  • Chi Chi’s Last-Minute Crafting: Admired for inventiveness.
  • Bob’s GLAAD Award Madonna: Defends the then-fresh choice, and discusses the infamous wig.
    • Bob: “I hand pick all these badges, put the rainbows in there...I was very proud of it.” (60:02)
  • Wig Dragging: Monét roasts Bob’s wig: “This wig gives me hives. I feel seasick looking at it.” (60:21–61:02)

Memorable Moment:
Bob discloses making the GLAAD Boy Scout shirt from scratch and the pride in the details—contrasted with universal loathing for their own wig choice.

Bob’s Madonna Story: Behind the Scenes (44:59–49:59)

• Bob tells the story of working directly with Madonna, including phone calls, creative meetings, rehearsals, and the importance of Madonna’s daughter Lola (Lourdes) in the invitation.
  • Bob: “We rehearsed every day for about a week and a half, hanging out with Madonna. Ms. Ciccone, honey.” (46:41)
  • Notes Madonna’s work ethic and family dynamics, and a running joke about proof of this collaboration.

Results & Elimination (64:33–end)

• Bob wins the challenge; Naomi Smalls and Acid Betty lip-sync for their lives.
• Discussion about the lip-sync: Betty’s stunt (“giving birth”) deemed insufficiently staged; praise for Naomi’s performance.
• Reflections on the emotional impact of elimination, especially as it relates to friendships and how eliminations played out in real-time.
  • Bob: “You can see me crying very, very hard when Naomi comes back and when nasty Betty leaves. This whole elimination just made me very emotional.” (67:14)
• A light jab at the structure of newer seasons, with a joking reference to how many would qualify for the finale if it were a newer season (68:16).

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Notable Quotes & Moments (With Timestamps)

• “One rollback begets another.” – Bob (01:29) on Roe v. Wade
• “You poked the bear, Bob. You poked it.” – Monét (04:10) referencing the fight with Derrick Barry
• “This was the episode five, was the wild episode. That’s when y’all started getting crazy, girl.” – Monét (02:47)
• On Derrick Barry’s Snatch Game Choices:
  Monét: “I will say things have definitely changed. I don’t think Derrick would do that now.” (22:08)
• On the Snatch Game Runway:
  Monét: “Kimono gate...Six girls brought kimonos. Isn’t that wild?” (41:10)
• On Bob’s wig:
  Monét: “This wig gives me hives. I feel seasick looking at it.” (60:21)
• On Michelle Visage’s power:
  Bob: “Michelle is one of the arbiters of Drag Race.” (34:33)
  Monét: “But if you make RuPaul laugh...that is what your goal is—to make RuPaul fucking kiki kaka.” (34:48)
• Bob’s Madonna Experience:
  “We rehearsed every day for about a week and a half, hanging out with Madonna. Ms. Ciccone, honey.” (46:41)

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Important Segment Timestamps

• 00:10 — Reacting to current events and Roe v. Wade
• 03:00 — Re-examining the episode’s fight and microaggressions
• 16:00 — Snatch Game character selection and Bob’s Carol Channing roots
• 22:00 — Derrick Barry and shifting standards on race/coding in drag
• 27:16 — Snatch Game assessments (Thorgy, Kim Chi, Betty, Robbie, etc.)
• 40:45 — Night of a Thousand Madonnas runway breakdown
• 44:59 — Bob’s Madonna story
• 52:00–62:00 — Runway looks detailed, including “Kimono-gate”
• 64:33 — Elimination deliberations and results
• 67:14 — Bob cries after elimination and emotional reflection

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Final Thoughts

The episode delivers a quintessential Sibling Rivalry experience: equal parts irreverent roast, inside baseball, and celebration of queer artistry and Drag Race history. Bob’s firsthand storytelling about Madonna, the fashion industry, and behind-the-scenes of Drag Race pairs with Monét’s comedic (and sometimes shady!) commentary to paint a vivid picture of drag, friendship, and reality TV culture. The deep-dive on Snatch Game and “Kimono-gate” is must-listen content for fans who love both tea and technicals.

Sign-off:
Monét: "We love you and we'll support you in this..." (68:38)
Bob: "Nigga. Shut the fuck up." (68:45)

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This summary was created to capture the original wit, insight, and humor of Monét X Change and Bob The Drag Queen, delivering the best of Sibling Rivalry’s irrepressible queer perspective.

Transcript

[A]

Monet X Change.

[B]

Hello. How are you?

[A]

You know, today's an odd day. It is. Well, I'm in New York City right now. I'm in a hotel in New York City. And you're in Chicago.

[B]

I am in Chi Town, yes.

[A]

And that's like dampen the mood for everyone. But today is the day that they overturned Roe v. Wade. So it's just been kind of a weird day in general. And I think that we need to. I want to obviously talk about it at some point. I'm gonna do this episode of Watch it right now, but it's just been kind of an interesting day. How about you? Yeah, agreed.

[B]

Patty and I were traveling this morning. When I saw the news this morning at like 7:00, and I was like, oh, God. And I saw fucking Clarence Thomas and his fucking wife Jenny. There's this new draft that apparently leaked that they're gonna try to overturn same sex marriage. Well, not. They're gonna have a look at the same way they had to look at Roe v. Wade. Same sex marriage. Your right to three. Three things. Same sex marriage. What is it? People living with your right for. For people to live together. Something like some crazy girl.

[A]

I mean, it was basically saying, like he was gonna try to get same sex marriages not only just. But also just relationships in general and privacy in the bedroom. Right. Which is.

[B]

That's what it was.

[A]

Which is. That is the weird. That doesn't even make sense to me. Like, what. This is wild, but it is a very weird rolling back of laws. And I do believe that it is a chain reaction and that, you know, one rollback begets another, you know.

[B]

Yeah, it's really glum, it's really dark. But we can maybe. We could do a. I would love to do a rivalry. The one about women's rights. Bunny and I had this woman, she is. She's very knowledgeable on the subject we had on Ebony and irony. I'd love to have her on this podcast, actually, to talk to her. She was really great.

[A]

So maybe we can do the one about reproductive rights.

[B]

We haven't done a. You know, not to say the other things we discussed aren't serious. We definitely have not done, you know, a heavy topic in a long time, I would say. So I think. And I would love to talk about it and have, you know, a conversation. I think our listeners really get into our thoughts and opinions about it and it'll be great to discuss.

[A]

But anyway, that's been what I've been doing all day, and I just had Like, a really wild weekend and a great show. And then I woke up in the morning and I was like, oh, not this shit. And it really feels like it's hard to celebrate the victories because they are quickly followed up by some

[B]

word. Word, you know? And, I mean, I'd just say then that's really been full of. With season eight of RuPaul's Dragger, because I have. I forgot this was the episode five was the wild episode. That's when y' all started getting this. When y' all started getting crazy, girl.

[A]

What.

[B]

What's the. I mean, the. A lot of microaggressive talk, a lot of drama. I was like, oh, my. I forgot this was season eight. Got really messy.

[A]

There was some microaggressions, which I was rewatching back, being like, oh, my God, this shit was wild. I forgot this.

[B]

All this.

[A]

I really forgot this. This whole episode started out with me and Derek fighting.

[B]

Well, it was okay. It was a little bit of everyone coming at Derek and Derek defending himself a little bit, because at the top of the episode, Naomi literally goes, I was shocked you weren't in the bottom. I was shocked that you were. I was like, oh, my God, that is not nice to hear when you were safe.

[A]

Someone like, bitch, I'm shocked you're still here. I think she said, I was shocked that was Naysha and iu or shocked that it was Chi Chi and IU or someone that she wanted the two. She was shocked that it was them and not Derrick Barry. And of course, Derek got a tad bit defensive, shall I say? And then I jokingly said, when she was like, you see, you poked the bear.

[B]

You were Aquaria the vixen. Derrick Barry's the vixen. You Aquaria.

[A]

You poked a bear.

[B]

You poked it, Bob.

[A]

So I said, you can impersonate David Harry. And I jokingly said, well, they're on drugs. I want a drug test, is what I said. And then.

[B]

No, no, don't mumble through it. What did you say, Bob?

[A]

I just said I didn't mumble. I said. I said it exactly how I said it there. I said. Which is when you ever say that side of your mouth as a bit. You're like, I think they're on drugs. I want a drug test. And then Derek Vere was like, well, you didn't get that compliment. And I was like. Or you didn't get told that you didn't get told that your performance was phenomenal. Something like that. And. And then I was like, all right, Derek, I think you just kind of missed the point. Never mind. And then she was like, there is no point. It's always just Bob talking. And I was like. And the reason why I said that, I was like, well, I feel like a lot of times Derek would, like, say these little side comments. Is it just shade?

[B]

Like, normal queen shade?

[A]

Yeah, it's just shade. And I was like, derek does it all the time. So Derek's into it. She does it. She must be into it, so I'm going to do it with her. But she was not featuring it. She was not into it at the time. Maybe it was because all the girls are coming to her at once. And she felt like she was getting. She felt very attacked. And then I was like, that's when I was like, you know what? I bet a dollar you're gonna say some shady shit. You're gonna make a side shady coming like you always do all the time. And when you do, I'm just gonna point it out. And then, like clockwork. I mean, never lit something.

[B]

The ratchet drag comment first. She was like. She was like, well, maybe if I want to do.

[A]

No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. You're jumping because that was the shady comment. So it all just kind of, like, died down. I said. I said, watch. You're gonna say some shady shit. And then when you did first, I was like, is anyone else here acknowledge that Derek always says these little shady comments.

[B]

Am I lonely? I live in Staten island right now. Yeah.

[A]

Or am I in Manhattan right now? Am I Staten island? Or am I in Manhattan right now? That really tickles you.

[B]

Because for people who. I guess everyone has universal and everyone knows it's Staten Island. But I was like, for people who may not be from New York, they'll be like, where is Staten Island? But I think everyone probably knows that. Fair to say.

[A]

Yeah. Well, basically, the idea is like, we're in Staten island, but you're out there by yourself. When you're in Manhattan, you're surrounded by people. And then everyone's like, no, Bobby, you're right. Or at least one person I think it was. Betty was like, yeah, Bob, you're right. She does do that. And I was like, she'll do it again. Watch.

[B]

Because Betty was like, ooh, someone else is fighting. Not me. Betty was eating every time the camera pants at Betty, she was like, well,

[A]

but I also think that other people are like, no, Betty does do that. When people are like, no, no, that is a real thing. That is a very real thing. Derek does. Derek does. Do that. So then we were all undressing and I was in my black. This black one shoulder leotard that I made years ago. I don't even know where that thing is. And then that's when Derek says, hey, Bob, if I want to do wretched drag next week, you know, can you give me some tips? And I was like, didn't I say. Didn't I just say that Derek was going to make a shitty comment? She goes, yeah. And I did. And then that's when I hit her with the what? If you want to do memorable drag next week, I can give you some tips. And then they just came on. And then it started spiraling, spiraling. And then she goes. And then Bob got very aggressive. She goes, I just have to not wear hair. All I have to just not wear hair. And well, the judge said that I'm beautiful if I just don't wear hair too. And I was like, oh, she is really trying to be cute right now. She's trying to be cute. Cute.

[B]

And then something about hurt feelings that involve goes, if I want to hurt your feelings, you be crying right now, bitch. And I was like, oh, my God, this is so out of character. Actually, this is the Bob I know. This is the real Bob. Actually, that's the real vibe that we all know.

[A]

First of all, I've never hidden myself. Unlike you, the Bob on Drag Race is the Bob in real life, honey.

[B]

That picture I posted on your birthday when you literally were about to physically strike me on the podcast. There's documented proof of you being of your abusive and aggressive behavior with me on the podcast.

[A]

I want to point out that the difference is me and you. I've never pretended like I was some little frail, scared bitch. You tried to comfort me, you tried to scare me, but you got scared.

[B]

I tried to scare you.

[A]

Yes, you did. You faked a thing. You must have forgot. Clip. Jacob, text. That was. That.

[B]

That was a roach.

[A]

There was no roaches. You clearly forgot. You clearly forgot. Jacob, text. You try to act. Act like there. Act like you see something on the ground and then you acted. Do it. Yeah, Jacob, don't control your mind. You acted and I reacted. You tried to get cute and I

[B]

got cuter, and then. Then there it goes. I will listen. This is my. I will never cry over you or anyone ever.

[A]

No, it was. I will never cry over you ever is what it is.

[B]

And you know, to be fair, Derek was the first time it's award. Derek has never cried over you or anyone.

[A]

That's not true. Derek Cried on the way out the door. Derek cried on her last episode, but

[B]

it wasn't over you.

[A]

He said, you don't know why Derek was crying. You have no clue why Derek was crying.

[B]

Derek and I, we conversed before this podcast, and they confirmed.

[A]

I'm sure I'm not interested in mitigating every comment I make on this podcast about these people, but I do not have a bad relationship with Derek Barry. We just had a whole episode of the Pit Stop where we were in great spirits, and me and Derek are not, like, fighting. So, I mean, this show is about recapping things. I mean, I guess that after everything I say to everyone, I have to keep repeating, I have a great relationship with Betty. I have a great relationship with Thor. Do I have a great relationship with Derrick Barry. But I do have a great relationship

[B]

with all these people. Now we'll see. But that was probably the spiciest moment of the season.

[A]

I mean, you clear.

[B]

Okay. Later on.

[A]

It's been a while. Because you must have not watched it for a while because Derek and Naomi go at it really hard later on during the ball.

[B]

Really? During the paper ball. Right. Or something like that.

[A]

I can't remember which episode it was. I think it might have been the paper ball, but, yeah, they went. Well, it had to be at least an episode because the episode Derek went home. That episode, wild. It was wild.

[B]

Wild.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Yeah. So then y' all all go home, get a good night. Good night's rest, and then y' all come back into the work room the next day, and you're. And then you, You. You're talking about how you're a morning person. You. I. I feel like. When I feel like my experience drag race kind of, I feel I've always been a morning person. But when you have to wake up that early and be alert, like, you cannot choose to be groggy and fucked up. Like, you have to choose to, like, be a real person, or else you're just gonna be fucking miserable.

[A]

I don't think people choose to be groggy and fucked up. I think when I hear actively choosing the lifestyle of grog and fucked up, I think some people just have a hard time waking up in the morning. And I don't. I've never had a. Even before drug addict, I never had a hard time waking up when I wake up. But I would just wake up later in the day because I would get home at 5am or 4am so I never had a hard time waking up. And I think we've proved on this podcast that you're the baby in the morning and you're the one, Bob.

[B]

Okay, now. Okay, sure. That one in Aspen. Bob, I have known you for going on 10 years now. Many times I walk into your apartment in the morning and wake you up at one o' clock in the afternoon. And all your friends have confirmed this, even your boyfriend.

[A]

This is not true. Not all of my friends confirmed this.

[B]

Your boyfriend confirmed this.

[A]

Who are the friends confirming this?

[B]

Mateo Patty has even your boyfriend.

[A]

Girlfriend is not once.

[B]

No. Has confirmed that when you wake up that you are a toddler. Bob.

[A]

Well, Monette, let's put it this way. I have video footage of you proof, ocular proof, as you say, ocular proof of you waking up being like, I'm very. I'm actually very good morning person.

[B]

Nigga did it. Also, I was on vacation. I was on an Aspen with my man, and we was fucking until the wee hours of the morning, so I didn't get as much sleep as you.

[A]

What do you think? I was on vacation. Was I not in Aspen? Where was I somewhere else? Where did I fly in that morning? Did I fly in, land there?

[B]

I don't know if you was getting your back blown out until an hour before the podcast. I don't know what you was doing, but that's what I was up to.

[A]

Okay?

[B]

All I know is camera on, it goes.

[A]

All I know for sure is that we have. We have to quote Monet, ocular proof that you're not Little Miss Sunshine in the morning.

[B]

Like.

[A]

Like you claim to be.

[B]

Okay, Little Miss. I never said. I never said I was. This nigga go trying to focus his camera.

[A]

I wasn't focusing. I was moving my camera down. I was focusing on you trying to go. I was not focusing. I was sliding my camera down. Why is it so funny?

[B]

I just love watching you toggle with technology. It's very cute.

[A]

I literally am just sliding my camera from one side of my computer to the next. I don't know what is so funny about me going from here to here. Why is that so funny? I'm literally just sliding a camera. I mean, if you're. This is a big laugh. I can't wait to get you at the next show. I literally just slid a camera down. You are cackling, Bob, Are you?

[B]

Can you believe that, Colleen? Let me tell you something. Colleen exchanged made her Drag Race debut. Before any of y' all bitches will ever be on the show, Colleen had her own segment.

[A]

Who are you talking to right now? Who are you talking to? Are you talking to the, to our list, to our listeners. Are you being just aggressively rude then? Who are you bitches then?

[B]

I'm talking to your friend that's in the hotel room with you right now. You know what I'm talking about.

[A]

Okay, first of all, me and Jacob were in two different hotel rooms. First of all, I'm in this room by myself. Let's make that clear.

[B]

Wait, he went to another hotel room?

[A]

Jacob is. Jacob has his own hotel room.

[B]

Oh, Jacob, put your fucking camera off, bitch.

[A]

So y' all heard when I talk about your money. Say before any of you, raggedy bitch fell girl, Drag Race wild one day. Let's say you talk to your listener.

[B]

Our listeners.

[A]

Holy shit. Oh my God. Really quick.

[B]

I did my show at. I love doing, going to, doing like the stand up venues and the patreons come. The patrons be repping hard at the show. The patrons be out here. I fucking love it. I met Cheesum and you know some certain names stick out to you and me. Didn't cheese some. I fucking. She was great. She had a great question. I did this thing at the end when I did a little like five minute question answer. Cause we were really going off and she was like, two questions. Have you ever caught Andy saying the word nigga?

[A]

And

[B]

what did you?

[A]

So answer the question.

[B]

And I said, I wish a nigga would. If Andy short fixed his lips to say the N word when I tell you it's about to be baby war. We're having a physical altercation.

[A]

Well, you better gag cause I have some video. Anyway, let's keep going.

[B]

Anyway, back to season eight.

[A]

Get ready to fight. Get ready to fight your little boyfriend. Y' all gonna rumble in the fucking sobriety bus. Catch that nigga at the wheel. Robbie.

[B]

Robbie trying to try to come at you a little bit. She looks like Bob. Bob. You're, you're, you're, you're, you're all day type of person. Whatever.

[A]

She said, yeah, she's like, you're a morning, noon tonight kind of person. I was like, yeah, I'm excited to be on my, on on Drag Race. Just y' all fucking sad, bitter clowns are sad to be here. Bitch. Let that be you, bitch. I'm not sad to be here. I'm happy. I hate when fucking like sad ass people want you to be sad with them. Bitch, get your little sad ass on.

[B]

You are choosing violence on today Me.

[A]

You just call all of our listeners broke who will never be on Drag Race.

[B]

So Dave Real Ru announces what When Rue did that. That little. That little trickery that y' all were gonna be going down Hollywood Boulevard and doing, getting carcasses. Did you think that it was, like, gonna be some real crazy challenge, or did you.

[A]

Yeah, we did. No, we really thought it was going to be it. We were like, oh, wow, that's kind of weird. But some of us are actually like, we're kind of into it. That'd be really exciting work.

[B]

But alas, it was not. It was the Snatch Game.

[A]

Twas Snatch game. We have RuPaul's announcement is going to be the Snatch Game, which is roughly the halfway point for most seasons, unless you're in All Star 7 and then it's the second episode, but, you know, it's the halfway point for most seasons. And it was a very, very exciting announcement. And of course, I really love Snatch Game, and I love an opportunity to, like, act and improv and cut up, you know?

[B]

But you said you have a. Okay, what is this special connection you have with Carol Channing? What is this connection that you have with her? You're like. You're like, I have this character. I have this one, but I really have a special connection with Carol Channing. What is this connection? I never heard of it.

[A]

Well, I really like Carol Channing. I like Carol Channing since I was very young. I remember being watching the Tony Awards when I was in, like, maybe 10th grade or something, and Carol Channing came on and did. She presented an award with LL Cool J. And I remember being like, oh, my God, who is this? Who is this lady? Like, I. That's when I first saw her, she had her glasses on. I remember asking my mom, I was like, who is that? My mom was like, oh, that's Carol Channing. And I went to school the next day, and I asked my theater teacher, like, can you tell me about Carol Channing? This is before Wikipedia. This is before you can, like, look things up on the Internet. Cheryl Canning that easily. I was like, can you please tell me about Carol Channing? And then I started looking up her movies and her Broadway stuff and her cabaret stuff, and I just love her. She's so wonderful.

[B]

Do you think she's very. She's very talented.

[A]

Yeah. I think she's really funny. I think she's really talented. Yeah, she's kinda like the way you connect Rihanna. No, Carol Channing is not alive. Carol Channing passed away at, like, 97, I think.

[B]

Wow.

[A]

A few years after my season, she passed away.

[B]

Damn. Did she. Oh. Cause she did a video at your finale, right? For You.

[A]

Yes, she did. Yes, she did. And I also wrote a little op ed for, I think Billboard about Carol Channing when she passed away.

[B]

Work, and everyone's going around telling their characters. And Naomi. Naomi. Naomi's like. She wants to do Whoopi, but you bust out your Whoopi. Noah Fulham. You wasn't gonna do Whoopi. You were trying to intimidate Naomi Smalls not to do Whoopie Bob. And I see what you're doing.

[A]

That's not true. First of all, I assure you, I was not worried about Naomi Smalls for Snatch Game. I assure you that I wasn't like, oh, God. But if Naomi does Whoopi, I won't be able to. I promise you that was not. You think I brought a Whoopi Goldberg costume to Drag Race with the intention of possibly, maybe down the line, intimidating a person who I didn't even know at the time when I packed it? Is that your. Is that what you think?

[B]

Okay, so tell me the order. Make it make sense.

[A]

No, no, make your. Make your little theory make sense.

[B]

I'm about to find a whole other thing. So what is the order of who you're gonna do? Like, who was like, who you were, like, 1, 2, 3, rank your characters. Was Whoopi number one?

[A]

I didn't have them in a ranking. I didn't go in with a ranking. I had three characters that I worked on, and I took them all inside. So I want to hear your thing. So do you think I made a Whoopi Goldberg costume in the room? Do you think I. I brought it as an intimidation tactic? I'm very interested in your theories, I think.

[B]

Okay, first of all, you had, like, 18 afros. Like, you just carry afros. And so the afro was gonna be there regardless the little nun habit. That was not even your costume. That was Robbie Turner's costume. And Robbie confirmed that back when the season was airing that that was Robbie Turner's habit costume.

[A]

Bitch, you're lying more than Robbie Turner is right now. You are lying more than your good Judy. Robbie Turner.

[B]

Alexa, call Robbie Turner.

[A]

Yeah, NC switch. I'm sure you and I. So that hat was actually given to me by a drag queen named Sister Mary Helen, who gave me that habit years ago when I wanted to do Whoopi for Halloween, me and my friend Frosty went out as Whoopi Goldberg and Annie Lennox.

[B]

Did they do things together? Why those two?

[A]

No. Because Frosty kinda looked like Annie Lennox. I kinda like Whoopi Goldberg. So we just went out as those

[B]

two People got it.

[A]

But I was really. But I bought three options. I think everyone who goes to games should bring three options. That is. That is my. In my opinion. And I think that my. I chose not to do Whoopi because I don't do a great Whoopi Goldberg impersonation, vocally speaking.

[B]

Got it. Yeah. Everyone's going around. And I mean, again, it was different times, right? This is 2015, when y' all taped this.

[A]

Well, before you get to Derrick Barry, because I didn't want to get to Derrick Barry. I was so shocked when I watched this episode back when Thorgy was talking shit about me on camera. Bitch. The way I was blown away watching it from home. I had no clue. I'm telling you, every time they set me down interviewed, I was like, thorgy's my best friend here. I love Thorgy. She's so fun. She's my oldest drag friend. We're like sisters. Sisters. And then Thorgy's like, bob's excelling, and it's pissing me off. Bob, shut. Oh, I hate Bob.

[B]

She's not saying she hates Bob.

[A]

Not this episode. She did say it, though.

[B]

She says that she hates you.

[A]

At some point, she probably was like, ugh, I hate Bob. Ugh. Bob, shut up. Ugh. Bob's success is pissed me off. And I never knew Thorgy was saying any of this was all news to me watching the show.

[B]

Well, Bobby shouldn't have pissed Sergio off.

[A]

There it is. By doing. Well, I was pissing her off. Or by excelling, I was pissing towards

[B]

you off the characters. And I know T. Derricks. Okay, first of all, Laura Bundy, that's the white that did Legally Blonde, right? The Broadway.

[A]

Yeah. She's from Hairspray and Legally Blonde. Her two big things. She's.

[B]

She's.

[A]

She's Elle woods from the original Broadway cast, Legally Blonde.

[B]

And when was she doing this black character? Like what? Like.

[A]

So Laura Bell Bundy had a website where she had all this, like. It's like this, like, town where she had all these characters in the town. And the most popular one was a character named Show Cantel Brown.

[B]

You. Cause you used to have it in the mix, right? Yeah.

[A]

My name is Show Cantel Brown, and I Show can tell that you need to come down to I believe and blah, blah, blah. It was this, like, this character that she had. She didn't do it. It wasn't in blackface, but it was black coat. It was a black coded character.

[B]

Oh, for sure. But Derrick Berry choosing to do that for Snatch Game. Again, it was different times. It's 2015. I will say things have definitely changed. I don't think Derrick would do that now. But the fact that Derek walked onto Dragons, they're like, I'm gonna do this black character. And I will say it was a good impersonation. Derrick slapped that fucking bus driver wig on. She started moving her neck and she was like, could you show? I was like, oh, okay, Derek, you've been doing a character. Sonny.

[A]

No. Yeah, Derek decided. Derek decided. But it was not received well in the room. So, I mean, I would say it was a different time, but at the time wasn't that different because most folks in the room was like, not this. A lot of us were like, not this. And those reactions to Derrick Barry doing the show, can't tell Brown. Those were real reactions. Us being like,

[B]

did you tell him?

[A]

I don't think I said anything today. I was just kind of like, girl, do your thing. You do you. And I'm gonna do me. I'm over here trying to pick between my three characters.

[B]

Yeah. And I feel like, is Kim the first one? I know the fans will correct me if I'm wrong. Is Kim the first person who did like a made up character like this doing Kimmy Jong Un?

[A]

No, I don't. To be honest, I'm not sure.

[B]

I was trying to think. I can't think of anyone else who's done that before.

[A]

Well, she did it. Well, guess what, Monet? She did. No, she did a little bit of Raven Mimi.

[B]

I'm first.

[A]

Yeah. And also, you know who actually did do a black person was Thorgy.

[B]

Oh, yeah. As if the dreadlocks were not enough. She like. I really go. She did like authority was playing a black person.

[A]

Don't you forget Michael Jackson was black. Oh, my God. Problematic when they probably.

[B]

Bitch, you forgot too, for a second.

[A]

No, I did. I never forgot.

[B]

I didn't forget.

[A]

What makes you think I forgot Michael Jackson was black? What in the characterization made you think

[B]

I did not think? I did not forget Michael Jackson was black. I forgot Thorgy was white. That's what happened to me in my shit.

[A]

Yeah. I was like. And I don't think there's anything wrong with imitating, with impersonating black people as a white person. As long as you're not doing blackface. Like, if you like. There's this guy on TikTok who actually has a really great Eddie Murphy impersonation, but he's not like. Anyway, for example, I did Carol Channing. You know what I mean? I don't think what Thorgy did was actually problematic at all.

[B]

Can I tell you for. This is really quick for All Star 7. For the dolly, I was. You know how. Remember when I did my Grace Jones and I did white? I was. I wanted to paint as I wanted to do white face for her.

[A]

And what stopped you?

[B]

I didn't have enough time because we did it right after the challenge.

[A]

You were scared.

[B]

Say you were scared. We did it right after. Say you scared of white people.

[A]

Say you're afraid of white people. You're afraid of white people. You're afraid of upsetting your white fan base.

[B]

We did it right as a challenge. And you know when you do. When you do a challenge and you have to run a. You have maybe 45 minutes. And there was no way I could have did all my makeup and did it again.

[A]

I don't know. I've seen Raja do some really different makeup between the Runway.

[B]

Rachel o'.

[A]

Hara. No, Raja, the bitch who's dusting you on All Stars 7. That Ra' Jah Raja, the blueprint for your success. That Raja. Now, do you remember Raja all of a sudden? Did that help your little brain?

[B]

You're such a fucking troll.

[A]

Raja, the one who got Violet taken off of fashion photo review. That Raja.

[B]

Wait, did she hear me, Honey?

[A]

No, I'm just kidding. You know they shut it down. Yeah, Raja got that shut down. Honey, never forget Ra', Jah who dusted you on the Kelly Clarkson Show. In that lip sync, Raja let you have it.

[B]

You are so.

[A]

Did you beat Raja on the lip sync? She had those big eyebrows. Fucked you up.

[B]

It was a competition, bitch. It was a competition. But if it was when there was a competition, bitch, I won.

[A]

But when it was. Raja dusted you, Jimmy. So, yeah, we were there for the commencement speeches. We were all there for the commencement speeches, honey. Rajalette, you have it. Yeah, yeah, yeah, nigga. Yeah.

[B]

Just like Thorgy let you have it in the Snatch Game, but we gonna get to that. So y' all are in the Snatch Game. And I have to say, off bat, Betty looks horrible. The wig is horrible. Her makeup looks crazy.

[A]

She looks nothing like Nancy Grace. Nothing on her is giving Nancy Grace except the fact that she's wearing a blazer. The fact that she's wearing a blazer is the only thing giving Nancy Grace. I don't know what that wig was supposed to be. I have. I'm so shook. And Nancy Grace is actually a very funny character to do. She's from Georgia, by the way. She was a public defender In Georgia. Nancy Grace is such a funny character to do. So I just don't understand what went wrong.

[B]

I don't know what good at theater. I don't understand, like, what's down the

[A]

line one by one. Let's go down the line one by one instead of jumping around.

[B]

Michael Jackson.

[A]

So I thought that Thorgy did a pretty good job as Michael Jackson. Thorgy was very funny. I love that. Her little attention to detail with the band aids on her fingers. The fact that she had a little blanket doll there ready, like, that shit was really funny to me. And the way she goes.

[B]

And also. And that thing Thorgy do. The Thorgy, like, does that in real life. That is a tic Thorgy does. She's like. So it was really easy for her to access that, but it was great. I thought her Michael Jackson was great. She looked the part too.

[A]

And I'm intrigued by the notion of Kim saying that she's like Kimmy Jong Un, because I don't see any drag in this character at all. Like, where is the drag? Like, I mean, like, she like Kim Jong Un as a drag queen. But, like, this is just. This is just Kim Jong Un. That's why she said Kimmy Jong Un. At one point, she goes. There's two different things they said. One point they said Kimmy Jong Un, the dictator, as a drag queen. And there's also where someone else said Kim Jong Un's sister. So the story kind of just had it, like, changed throughout the course of the thing. But at this point, I don't know why she didn't just say it was just straight up Kim Jong Un. Because it's just Kim in the Kim Jong Un outfit.

[B]

Yeah, I. I was getting just Kim. I thought she was saying, like, Kim Jong Un's sister, Kimmy. That's what I thought she was like.

[A]

I would tell you it was two things when she first said it. It was Kim Jong Un as a drag queen, and then somewhere, somewhere down the line, it became Kim Jong Un's sister. It was like two different. It was. It was two different stories.

[B]

And why does Kim look so sure? Was she, like, sitting lower in her chairs? Make us look tiny?

[A]

Well, maybe, maybe. Maybe she's got her shoulders. I mean, maybe part of is her head being hunched down like that the whole time.

[B]

Maybe that seems like it'll be really annoying.

[A]

But it was very funny character, though.

[B]

Yeah, I thought Kim was a funny character.

[A]

I thought.

[B]

I thought. I thought it was a good snatch game. Now, Ms. Nancy Gersh, we already talked about that acid. She just looks horrible. I don't know. Do you know what she looks like? You remember in Mrs. Doubtfire when he's trying on the different wigs and he

[A]

does the Barbara Streisand?

[B]

That's what she looks like.

[A]

Honestly, you're not wrong.

[B]

She looks like the Barbra Streisand missed out fire.

[A]

So then Robbie Turner does Diana Vreeland, which after seeing a good interpretation of Diana Freeland, I was like, this is. Is. First of all, did you all like, Dana Vreeland fully has an accent. Like, has a. Dana Vreeland has a full on accent. She's French. And Robbie Turner just didn't even. Just chose just like, not to do the voice.

[B]

I am American. American.

[A]

She's like.

[B]

She was just an American accent. Like, no French anything.

[A]

She pops a pill. RuPaul. She pops a pill. Layla McQueen always says that. Layla McQueen would just whoop me. Sit around. Layla McQueen will just randomly say she pops a pill. RuPaul.

[B]

She also set herself up. She's like, you know my sisters BenDeLaCreme and James Monsoon, they both won their Snatch Game. I'm from Seattle. I'm gonna dominate it. So she set herself up for these really high stakes that she could not fulfill.

[A]

Yeah, this was a bad choice for so many reasons. She also. She maybe sort of kind of looks like that in a realm. But then again, not to compare. Obviously, at the time, there was no Rajah to compare it to. But man, man, if only she had the foresight to know that Ra' Jah would crush it down the line, you know? And then I forgot to make this

[B]

note, when they do the critiques later, I don't know why it's so funny. Carson was like, you were trying to go for Nancy Grace. This is to Betty. But you look like a white Chaka Khan. I'm like, I don't even get Chaka Khan. But I just think that is so funny for whatever fucking reason. Anyway, Naomi Smalls as New York, she had such a strong start. When RuPaul said New York in the

[A]

motherfucking house, I was like, oh, this

[B]

is gonna be good. And then it just.

[A]

But she also looks nothing like New York. She has the tiniest titties. And she was obsessed with this. She was obsessed with the idea of, like, she's using her real hair in the front. And the idea was, she was like, it's gonna. I think she was trying to say that she thinks that New York's wigs are bad. And she was trying to show that New York's wigs were bad.

[B]

Oh, I didn't get that. I thought she was just trying to give, like, realness, like, real, like, well, like, like, like lace, like womana.

[A]

No, she was. She was trying to insinuate that. That New York has. Wigs are not blended nicely.

[B]

Got it, got it, got it, got it. Okay.

[A]

Yeah, but Naomi just did a. Naomi did a very bad job. This was. This was not. I mean, and honestly, when she said clock and RuPaul was like a big clock. We love a big clock. And she was like, yeah, yeah, they're cool. I mean, I was like, girl, this is really an opportunity to volley back and forth with RuPaul and you are just not taking it at all.

[B]

There's a man, a few Flavor Flav references, a joke about flavor of love. Yeah. I started Ornod in 2013 and we make bike apparel. The best part of Shopify for me is our ability to run the business as essentially non technical people. We're able to admin everything on the back end, front end, and sell things online easily. If Shopify were a bike accessory, I think it would actually be the bicycle. It's the thing that you do the thing on. We run the business on Shopify. Start your free trial on shopify.com Instacart makes grocery shopping easier. And just because you're not doing the shopping yourself doesn't mean you don't care how it's done. With Instacart Shopper notes, you can get particular about what you want right in the app. Like rotisserie chicken that's extra crispy steak with marbling the Romans would have loved. And lettuce you'd actually pick yourself. Just leave a note for your shopper so they can get it right for you without having to ask. That way you can get groceries just how you like. Download the Instacart app and shop today. Chi Chi Devan is Eartha Kit. I thought this was great. I thought she did. She had a strong sash game.

[A]

I agree. She did a very good job. And Betty did. Betty. Betty. And true Betty forum was just being like, oh, she never did that bitch like Betty. I was like, oh. Cause your Nancy Grace is crushing. Because your Nancy Grace is crushing right now.

[B]

Yeah, Betty was definitely jealous of Chi Chi for sure because she was doing really poorly. Petty, didn't even have any. Anyway, yeah, Betty did a really bad job, but she was.

[A]

She was like, oh. Because she's. Oh. Because that's what cats do. I was like, this bitch is mean.

[B]

When Gigi Put her leg up and started licking glare. I thought that was funny. I thought it was cute.

[A]

I agree. And then we have Derrick Barry, who did a. Did a very. Derek was very funny. Derek did a very good job. I'm very glad that Derek Barry chose Britney Spears.

[B]

Yeah, it was good for her. And, you know, this. This is for all the future people. Just because Michelle says something on a Runway, like, don't be scared to not ever do it. Like, this is a. Derek would have not had done Britney Spears. And then maybe short can tell would have been great, too, with all of his problems. But she did the thing that she's good at, and she nailed it. Michelle is not the arbiter of Drag Race. Michelle does not. She's not the final say.

[A]

She is one of the arbiters of Drag Race. Michelle is quite literally one of the arbiters of Drag Race.

[B]

RuPaul literally says, I can settle with the justice, but I don't give a fuck. This is my show that I'm making the final decision, bitch.

[A]

If you make what RuPaul laughs.

[B]

If you make RuPaul laugh and you're showing RuPaul, who gives a fuck, that is what your goal is to make RuPaul fucking kiki kaka.

[A]

I agree, but I'm just saying, RuPaul, Michelle is one of the adjudicators of RuPaul's Drag Race. And then we have Bob the Drag Queen, who did Uzo Aduba, and Carol Channing, which I thought was very honestly, great job. Gotta be honest, I think you did

[B]

a great fucking job as UZA and also as Carol Channing. When you did the switch, how long did you take? Did it take for you to change?

[A]

I mean, it didn't take any time at all. I just took off my. I had the. I think I feel like I may have had the turtleneck under. No, no, I must have not had the turtleneck underneath. No, I just took my shirt off. RuPaul. So RuPaul does his thing, which I did not know until I got there. RuPaul, I don't know if she does it all the time, but I know she did. I can confirm she did it one time at least. RuPaul looked at us and said, all right, y', all, one last question. Make this one count. That's what she said to us. There's one question left. Make this one count. And I said, okay. So I snuck in the Carol Channing outfit underneath my uniform. I was like, I really want to do this look. So I snuck it in I didn't ask anyone about this. I never asked. I was just like, I'm doing this. I'm going to make this happen myself. And when RuPaul said, One left, I was like, now's my chance to do it. I even still had the Uzo Aduba gap in my teeth, and, like, I had to, like, scratch it off. Like.

[B]

So when you did that, where everyone was. Everyone, like, on set and, like, all the girls, other girls watching, like, what the fuck is Bob doing? How long? How. Like, how long did it take you? Was it like, five seconds? Was it five minutes?

[A]

Maybe? Maybe, like, maybe 15 seconds, maybe.

[B]

And people were just watching you, like, what is Bob doing?

[A]

Probably, you know, I was. I was changing clothes. I wasn't looking at them. I was trying to get my costume on before. Luckily, I was at the very end. You know, RuPaul goes in. So y' all don't realize RuPaul goes in. Every question's in order. They skip people each time. But every question goes from Michael Jackson all the way down to Uzo Aduba. So I happened to be in a very good spot. I really lucked out with where I was, and I switched out my clothes. And then as soon as I switched, as I was writing my name, you see my name, it says Carol Chan. And RuPaul goes, Look who's joined us. Carol Channing's here. And then that's when I was like, hello. Hello, RuPaul Ujo Abubu, who couldn't finish the episode, so I decided to step in. And honestly, I'm very. It worked out. I was accused of showboating.

[B]

Oh, yeah. Michelle accused you of showboating. What do you have to say to that, Bob?

[A]

Well, I think that what I did this season worked out well for me, and I'm really glad I made the decisions I made.

[B]

Do you think that Michelle had any validity in her critique of your showboating?

[A]

I don't know. I mean, I don't think Michelle's the first person to ever say anything like that to me, but I didn't let it affect me in the show.

[B]

There you have it, ladies and gentlemen.

[A]

Michelle's not the arbiter of Drag Race. Monet.

[B]

Actually, she is. She's one of the adjudicators, though.

[A]

And I think that we. I think this was. I actually think this was a pretty strong Snatch Game.

[B]

It was. Overall, the only. The only duds were Nancy Grace, New York and Dan of Real. And everyone else was good. So only three out of eight ain't bad, you know, yeah, yeah, that's. That's. Those are great. It's a great odds.

[A]

And let's talk about. So let's talk about. Oh, we didn't have a brief discussion about Chanel Iman and Gigi Hadid. They were such interesting Snatch Game guests because, like, there was a few things they didn't know. Like, they didn't. They didn't know what bogey was. They had never heard of boguing. Really? Yeah. They were like, oh, they Vogues. And then she was like. There was a moment. I can't remember what it was. They were like, voguing. What do you mean? Vogue. And then I think RuPaul was like. Like, on the COVID Like, I think. I think someone said on the COVID of a magazine. Because it's a line from the song Vogue.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And then she goes, oh, you mean, like. And then we were like, kind of.

[B]

Actually, I'm gonna Google, how old is Gigi? Abella Hadid was there. Gigi.

[A]

One of them was a teenager at the time. One of them was like, 19 or 17 at the time.

[B]

Shanel Iman. I think Shanel Iman is really. Or maybe it was Gigi.

[A]

Gigi Adidas, 27.

[B]

Gigi Hadid is 27 now. And Bob Season was six years ago,

[A]

seven years ago, she was 20 years old.

[B]

And how old is Shanell Iman now, Jacob?

[A]

Getting our intel. 31.

[B]

She's 31. So she was. She's about. She's a 25. She was 24.

[A]

So they were like 20 or 19, depending on when. What time of year she turns. Whatever age. You know, it was.

[B]

It was early.

[A]

Early summer.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Yeah. She was pretty young.

[B]

Yeah. Work. Oh, my God. Me and Chanel Mon are the same age. Work. And then. So we get to the runaway. This is one of the most infamous runways. This is the first time it's happening. We have so many different looks. There were. It was the night of a night. The night. Or a Night of a Thousand Madonnas.

[A]

Night of a Thousand Madonnas.

[B]

The Night of a Thousand Madonnas.

[A]

It was just. It's just Night of a Thousand Madonnas. Not the night. Just Night of a Thousand Madonnas.

[B]

One Night of a Thousand Madonnas.

[A]

Okay, go. Sure. No. Night of a Thousand Madonnas. Are you doing a thing? Continue.

[B]

The Night of a Thousand Madonna is what I said.

[A]

We're saying different things. I'm saying Night of a Thousand Madonnas and you're saying the Night of a Thousand Madonnas.

[B]

Oh, got it. Okay.

[A]

There's a lot of part. There's like A party in New York City a while back called Night of a Thousand Shares. But the night. It's just a night of a thousand shares.

[B]

Okay, so the Runway this week was a night of a thousand Madonnas. And.

[A]

Oh, my God. Howdy. Ridiculous.

[B]

Continue. And this is the infamous Runway because y' all had kimono gate. So they all had to do, obviously, do Madonna looks. And four girls came with kimonos.

[A]

Incorrect, bitch. Six girls came with kimonos. Two kimonos had already been eliminated. Who? Cynthia Lefontaine and Naysha Lopez also had kimonos.

[B]

Really?

[A]

Yes. Six girls brought kimonos. Isn't that wild?

[B]

That's crazy. That is really crazy. And the guy gets six kimonos, but no one. There was only one of her really iconic looks, which was Chi Chi did a cone look. No one did Like a Virgin. No one did Vogue. Those are like, what I can.

[A]

No one.

[B]

I guess people thought other people would do that, so they went a crazy direction. Even you like yours is.

[A]

Well, you know what?

[B]

Let's go to the list one by one.

[A]

So real quick. It ended up being 9,000 kimonos. And I think the reason. I think what happened was when you're on Drag Race, everyone's trying to so hard to think out of the box instead of actually. I don't know. Maybe everyone is actually. I don't know why. Maybe they're all literally just doing what they. What their first inclination is. And by the way, Chi Chi's cone bra, she made that there. Chichi didn't have a Madonna look.

[B]

Okay, wait.

[A]

Well, let's.

[B]

Let's go in order, bitch.

[A]

So first of all, Michelle's actually kind of doing a Madonna look, which is. Which looks great. This is. It's very Madonna from the. I think this is the Madame X store.

[B]

Yeah. And I fucking. I never forgot RuPaul had this fully stoned burgundy chocolate stone gown, and it is. RuPaul looks great. I love this. I want this gown. It's very simple. This is giving black Marilyn Monroe.

[A]

Well, I don't think it's supposed to be skin tone. I don't think RuPaul's dress is supposed to be skin. This is much darker than her skin. And I think Marilyn was supposed to

[B]

mimic skin exactly, but the same thing, like a fully encrusted, simple dress.

[A]

I think that one of the models. I don't know which. I can't. I don't really know which one's. Which one.

[B]

Chanel Iman is the black girl. Gigi Hadid is the White girl.

[A]

You just said the black girl and the black girl.

[B]

Black girl. Shanelli Mon is the black girl. Gigi Hadid is the white girl.

[A]

So she's wearing these inside out pants. And I'm like, I guess this is fashion.

[B]

Yeah, I don't think that's cute. Actually. I'm not into it.

[A]

I'm like, this bitch is wearing inside out pants. Like, honestly, I feel like sometimes fashion is just pranking us. Like, I feel like the fashion world is literally just pranking us. And it's like sometimes it's like they're just seeing what they can get away with and trick us into thinking it looks nice. This bitch is wearing inside out pants. I'm dead. Like, what is going on?

[B]

Why these damn sketchers? Ew. Did Jacob just delete it? Jacob just deleted it.

[A]

What? Jacob deleted.

[B]

Delete. Jacob. Jacob is standing for his girl. Who deleted it now? Bob deleted it.

[A]

I did not delete it. I just grabbed my phone.

[B]

Well, it's deleted.

[A]

I pressed back.

[B]

Jacob did it. Oh, no.

[A]

I got it. Maybe it wasn't me on accident. Okay, wait, so real quick, are we.

[B]

We're not.

[A]

We are not about to talk about 9,000 Madonnas without my talking about my week with Madonna, bitch. We're not. We're not glossing. We're not glossing.

[B]

Oh, my God. Jesus Christ.

[A]

We're not. We're not pulling them on in. We're not pulling a Monet in. God control,

[B]

boss. You are so ridiculous. I had that credit on my IMDb that I was in. God control. You ain't getting no credit for this show. You just get it. Let's get into it.

[A]

You are absolutely wrong. I have a full on creative credit, literal creative credit for helping with Donna Crazy. Let me see it. For literally helping Madonna create her pride show.

[B]

Show it. Where's the receipts? Where's the receipts, Penny?

[A]

Greta Garbo and DiMaggio. Marlon Brando, Jimmy Dean.

[B]

Yeah, they're non existent. Your receipt is a thanos

[A]

picture of beauty queen. Let's do it.

[B]

Now watch your week with Madonna.

[A]

So I got a call when I was filming. We're here being like, hey, Madonna's having a party in New York. She wants you to host a party. Like just kind of be at the party and like, just be in attendance. And I was like, you know, I would love to. I can't do it though, because of my schedule that we're here. And I love Madonna, but I cannot do it. And they're like, well, she really wants you. And I said, I'll just have to see if I can work something out. But the only way I will do it is if Madonna's there and I can get a picture with her. That's the only way I can do it. If Madonna's there, I can do it, get a picture with her. And then they were like, okay, well, okay. So I said. They called me back. I said, you know, it's a no. I literally. My schedule will not allow it. And then she was like. They were like, madonna's not taking no for an answer. She wants you. I was like, if it's just hosting a night, any drag queen can do this. Why does it have to be me? Like, she wants you. Madonna wants you. She's asking for your phone number. Madonna wants your phone number. I said, you can give her a number, but, I mean, I can't do the show. So I'm now texting back and forth with Madonna and then about when we can talk. And then she calls me. Me and Madonna have a phone call, and then we start basically right before the phone call. The. My schedule shifts with. We're here, we switch our schedule, and I'm suddenly free. So I was talking to Madonna on a. I realized that as I was talking to her, it was like a creative call. Like, oh, like, oh, no.

[B]

This. This.

[A]

This is like, we're actually, like, planning a show. So I schedule it. I'm like, all right, I can do it. I can rehearse in la, and I rehearse in New York City. We rehearsed for a little bit over a week. Every day for about a week and a half, hanging out with Madonna. Literally every day for like a week and a half, just kicking it with Madonna. Ms. Ciccone, honey. Me and Ms. Ciccone hanging out. They all call her M, by the way. M?

[B]

Yeah, we called her that on set for God. Control as well,

[A]

you call it. Because more than Emma, she's out of your line of vision. You're like, so we have. So we're like, anyway, she loves me. We were cackling together. She, like, I bonded with her son, David Banda, who's. If I ever have a kid, I would like them to be like, David Ben. It was really, really cool. Really cool. Really cool kid. He's like 16 years old. He was in the show, too. He was like my sidekick in the show.

[B]

Got it.

[A]

David Bender was. But then it was Evalachoski. My daughter had six, I think six kids.

[B]

Work. Did not know that. All I knew is Lourdes. Or is it Lourdes? Is her daughter.

[A]

Well, yeah, but her name. But she goes by Lola.

[B]

Lola. Got it.

[A]

And she. And Lola's the one who Michelle.

[B]

And there are too many parallels between Michelle Visage and Madonna. Michelle Visage has a daughter named Lola.

[A]

You think it's coincidence Michelle is modeling her life? Michelle fully named her child. Probably named her because I think. I'm pretty sure Michelle's Lola is younger than Madonna's Lola.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Anyway, and so Lola recommend. Lola was like, mom, I love Bob the Drag Queen. And that's why. That's how it. It was. Me, Violet Chachki, Laganja, Estranga Pixie, Aventura, Jose Extravaganza, who's in the original Vogue video. Oh, work. Tokisha. And I said, tokisha.

[B]

Oh, there's a Tequisha.

[A]

No, Tokisha. And which I just spent a whole week with Takisha and. And Saucy Santana.

[B]

Saucy. He did. I saw. He. He did Material Girl.

[A]

Yeah. And then Madonna, like, rewrote a verse to Material Girl.

[B]

I love that.

[A]

And I performed it with. With Saucy.

[B]

That's so great. That's really great.

[A]

But it was. Madonna is a very hard worker. She, like, showed up to rehearsed in full drag, pumps, corset, all of it.

[B]

She's tiny, right? The Is small. You see, Madonna, because Madonna, she also has. She has, like, a big present, but she's small.

[A]

She's not, like, freakishly small. She's about Kennedy's height.

[B]

Right. But when you and me are in big drag queen heels, that is tiny. Kennedy weigh Kennedy and Patty next. Cause Kennedy and Patty look like babies. They look like children.

[A]

For someone who's a signed female at birth, she's about five' three, which is not. She's not. She's not big, but she is short, I guess, especially when you compare her to me. She's got a big old booty, but she's not as tall as, like. Like, what's her name from Abbott Elementary. She's tiny.

[B]

Tiny Quinta.

[A]

Yeah, Quinta's like 4, 10. She's like, tiny, tiny, tiny lady. Anyway, so I had a great time, and I have a little vlog coming also. I made a little vlog. I'm gonna blame it on the social, the political climate. I made a little vlog with a preview of my music on the Patreon. And Gretchen, it is getting dust. And I was like, I never get dust on the Patreon because I got dust on. I was like, not me getting dust on the Patreon. Girl.

[B]

Did you let me go see a little girl.

[A]

I am getting dust on the Patreon. I was like. I was like, not the patrons, like. But I'm going to blame it on the political climate and everyone being stressed about. Because I have posted a lot of stuff. I mean, I have been posting. I mean, from the beginning, posting tons of stuff on Patreon, but I was like, I have never. And I was like, I'm sharing my music with y'.

[B]

All.

[A]

And I got, like, a little measly 27 comments. I was like, I posted pictures. I posted a picture of my thumb.

[B]

Even our first Post has about 100.

[A]

This is crazy, girl. Even when I post, like, a picture of, like, a fingernail, I play my music for them. They said, nigga, don't play no music ever again. Stop doing music. N. Stop doing music right now. The fuck now. I was like, oh, my feelings are hurt.

[B]

But.

[A]

Oh, wait. So.

[B]

So did you ask? Can you text Madonna? Leticia will be a guest on this episode. About. About the. About the. About the.

[A]

She already said no. She already said no because she remembered you by name.

[B]

At least we tried.

[A]

She remembered. She said what she said with Monet.

[B]

Well, you know what? I'll text Oprah. Oprah will come and do a. Be a guest. You better work.

[A]

All right, let's go down the line. Look at these looks. It is kimono gate. It is night of a thousand kimonos.

[B]

Thorgy had my favorite kimono.

[A]

Really?

[B]

Yes. I love the asymmetry of it. I love how she tied it in the middle with that red rope thing. I love the cutouts. Thorgy had my favorite kimono.

[A]

Interesting.

[B]

Also, it was the most like the one from that Madonna had in the thing. Like, it looked the most like Madonna.

[A]

This is Domino couture work. And. And Domino. It was like a borrow. Like Domino. Domino was like. She was like, can I get that kimono? And Domino was like, yeah, here, girl.

[B]

Yeah, Thorgy.

[A]

I heard a kimono kimchi. I think Thor G looks really good, though. I think that she looks great. I think that she was. That walk she was doing was very odd, though.

[B]

It was like, I like it fit this the style.

[A]

It was just. It was an odd choice of walking, like, looking around, really jerky. I think Kim's kimono looks so good. I love Kim's kimono.

[B]

I like Kim's, but it doesn't look like Madonna's from the thing. So I was confused.

[A]

Maybe it's just inspired. You know what I mean?

[B]

But the thing was to do a Madonna look like, that's like. That's crazy. If you did, like, a night of a thousand shares, and instead of doing, like, the black thing, you did in, like, blue, and, like, it's like, that's not what the assignment was. It was to do a Madonna look drag Kim.

[A]

Also, Kim's trying to get this bag for me. You know that massive Coach bag I have? Mm. Kim wants that bag, and she's like, and I'll trade you a bag. And I looked it up. Bitch, first of all, mind your fucking business. You give her your bag, bitch.

[B]

But you don't wanna tell me I

[A]

can get anything from Coach. Then, bitch, give her the bag.

[B]

Why do you care?

[A]

Okay, I've never said I can get anything from Coach. I've never said the words I can get anything from Coach. When have I said the word I can get? I can get anything? When have I ever said that? We'll wait. I ain't trying to call Kennedy. She's not gonna answer for you again. By the way, Kennedy's ignoring your calls. This probably get.

[B]

This nigga probably get a D. Oh,

[A]

how the tables have turned.

[B]

Please leave your message for.

[A]

You're done. You're done.

[B]

Bob, you literally said to one of our friends, like, I don't want to mess up your relationship with Coach. Like, just. Just go on the website and tell me what you want. I'll get it for you.

[A]

There's a difference between saying, I can get you a Coach bag and I can get anything from Coach. I can give people Coach bags. I did not say I can get anything from Coach. I can't reach back and get archival pieces from Coach.

[B]

Okay, sure, but you, like, you literally

[A]

said, go on the website. Just tell me.

[B]

Just go on the website. Tell me what you want.

[A]

I'll get it. That was you? Yeah. And I probably got it for them. I said, I can get you thinking Coach. I just said I can get anything. I cannot go back and get archival pieces. This purse they gave me is archival. I cannot go back and tell them to open their vaults and give me shit.

[B]

Patty, what did Bob say to you about Coach and when you wanted something that he would get it for for me for free? Anything that you wanted, right?

[A]

Which is anything.

[B]

Thank you. That's all. Thank you, Patty.

[A]

Okay, we're gonna reiterate. You even said anything from the website. Not archival pieces. You said anything. I just.

[B]

I sprinkled that in for you, for your benefits.

[A]

You literally just said, I'm gonna show you why you're wrong. You literally just said, go to the website and I can get you anything from the website. I did not say go back into the archives, get a 1978 purse. I did not say anything that coaches ever made. I said, go to the website and I can get you something from there.

[B]

Anyway, also, I saw one of your arch nemesis at the airport today.

[A]

No, I don't know. Why is she my arch nemesis? I think she confronted me at a Tajik hall party one time. No, I don't know. Confronted me at Atasha hall port. I said, this is wild. This is wild.

[B]

Okay. Anyway, the kimonos. Derrick Berry is literally. First of all, it's a crazy. It's like a completely different color. It has, like, fucking pictures on it. I'm like, this is not the red Komodo. Like, it's just completely the mark.

[A]

Whoa, whoa, whoa, baby, whoa, whoa, whoa. What? First of all. First of all, Derrick Barry's kimono looks amazing. That's 1, 2. Madonna has probably worn, like, 20 different kimonos. You're thinking of one kimono. Yes. Madonna has had, like, Madonna had a whole kimono era.

[B]

Okay, but. Well, well, well, Drag Race, when H girl came out, they showed Madonna in that red kimono. Like, that's what they. That's what the look they were going for. That's how they came.

[A]

I think they were driving. I think they were driving a point home. But Madonna had. Madonna has worn a lot of kimonos. But anyway, side note, I think Derek kimono looks really great.

[B]

I think Daryl looks great if it was. But I just thought it was going for that specific red one. I'm like, it's not even the same color.

[A]

How about Naomi Smalls kimono is not great. This is not it.

[B]

Yeah. This is also just a. This is a crazy picture of Naomi. This.

[A]

Well, these are the pictures they. By the way. I mean, this is no shade to lady. Who's.

[B]

Who's.

[A]

Who's taking our pictures. But, like, these are the official pictures from Cross Drag Race. And, like, they did us dirty. Like, I cannot believe that they hired someone to take these photos. And they're not just from a phone. Like, do you remember the lady with the. With the professional camera in front of the green screen? And I was like. I was like, these photos might as well just be taken on a phone right now.

[B]

They do it on. They just take it on the iPad now.

[A]

Yeah, because. Because these pictures are just. I mean, this is. I do not know this lady's normal work, but these. She was a very lovely lady. She was a very lovely lady, she kind of looks like Meryl Streep. But these pictures are like, you as a. As a. As a rude girl. You. You are terrified at the notion of one of these pictures popping up on the Internet.

[B]

Yeah, for sure. For sure. Betty's looks great. The illusion of Betty's was so good. It was such a cool idea. Betty fucking nailed it.

[A]

Yeah, Betty's is really, really cool. Really fucking great idea and just nailed it. Yeah, I agree.

[B]

Completely agree. Robert Turner, also. This is a great idea. This is something that no one else thought about. And this is an iconic movie for Madonna, so this was great.

[A]

Yeah, she didn't leave with her own. And, yeah, this is also a very great look. I agree. Chichi Devane made this look in the workroom. She stoned a corset that they. You know, they have that bag of that box of corsets. She took a corset out, took some cardboard, wrapped some chains around it.

[B]

Work.

[A]

Also, she ended up cutting herself because, like, she ended up with, like, cuts across her chest from doing this, too. Yeah. Chi Chi showed up without a Madonna look and then ended up making one for herself there. And then she made herself this head. Made herself this. This head. This, like, mask or thing. And she did this whole thing there because I was like, girls. She goes, I just didn't have time. She had two jobs, headed to Drag Race.

[B]

Damn. Chichi would have worked.

[A]

And then you have me, Papa drag queen, who's doing Madonna at the GLAAD Awards. And I really love this look. At the time, it wasn't obscure. Like, at the time, it was like a hot topic. Like, Madonna had just done that Glad Award thing. Maybe now, you know, seven years later. Seven years after Drag Race and probably another three years after that. So now we're, like 10 years away from it, probably. I agree it's a little bit obscure, but at the time, I think it was really relevant. I really was proud of the details. I put on this. My Scout number, I also had

[B]

I

[A]

hand picked out where it said Boy Scout. This is the actual Boy Scout shirt that I got from Boy Scouts of America that used to be in the Garment district. And I had to go in there and I picked it out. Then I dropped it off at an embroiderers, and if you look close, it actually says RuPaul's Drag Race on the thing.

[B]

Yeah, that's really smart.

[A]

I hand pick all these badges, put the rainbows in there, even the little thing around my neck on the back. It actually has a Drag Race emblem. I really Went in on this thing. I was very proud of it.

[B]

I love all that stuff. This fucking wig. I hate this hair so much. It gives me hives.

[A]

Everyone hated this wig, and I just don't know why they hated it so much.

[B]

You still don't know why they hate it so much.

[A]

Yeah, I said what I said, would you wear this wig today?

[B]

Yeah, if I had.

[A]

If I have this wig, if I. If I could find her, if I could find her, I would rustle her up, give her a little shimmy, shimmy shake, and then I'll put on my head and I would win. And I would win another challenge.

[B]

This wig gives me highs. I feel seasick looking at it. I feel. No, I hate this wig so much. This is also the look that that person tattooed of you. And. And you know what? The spirit of this for that fucking wig.

[A]

So the reason why I wore this wig is because this was a random wig I had. It was a three tone wig.

[B]

It was.

[A]

It was blonde.

[B]

It's so bad.

[A]

It was blonde in the front, it was red in the middle, and it was brown on the bottom. Girl. And I wanted to be blonde because Madonna's blonde. But I don't really wear blonde wigs. And I think this may have been the only blonde wig I had at the time. Like Sol Avente, Bitch.

[B]

You should have just took the one from Bitch Perfect and teased that up on something, because, girl.

[A]

Anyway, I won this challenge, and I think it looked nice.

[B]

So Bob was the winner of the challenge, which leaves Naomi Smalls and Acid Betty in the bottom. How does it look like in real time?

[A]

But I'm also trying to, like, it was so long ago, but I feel like. Oh, real quick about the. Before we. No, we're skipping over some stuff. I want to say that this episode has a famous image of Kim Chi doing this in the background while Naomi is just crushed. Naomi is like, crushed and destroyed. And Kim's like. And this episode also has one of my favorite moments where Robbie Turner goes, punk took my voice away.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

They're like, robbie, we didn't like your Snatch Game. She goes, yeah, well, because I lost my voice. They're like, no, bitch, we heard you.

[B]

RuPaul was like, no, we heard everything in a moment. She was like. She's like, yeah, I got it. And I lost my voice.

[A]

And they were. And it was really a gag because it's weird because, like, normally you lose your voice the next day, but it was Punk and then Snatch Game and then the third day. So it was the second Day after. And she was like, I lost my voice on the second day, I guess. And RuPaul called. RuPaul did not let us sleep. RuPaul was like, no, no, no, we heard you. We just didn't like what we heard. We just weren't living.

[B]

Yeah, but the gag with her trying to put the affectation. She was like, yeah, I lost my voice. I lost my voice.

[A]

I'm like, bitch, what punk took my voice away? And also, I. I won $7,000 in Luxaville bags. I want y' all to know something right now, but I really like, like, Devil bag. I did a line with them, but Luxeville bags aren't that expensive, so I didn't get, like, five, like, bags they dropped off. I mean, the kind of boxes you move with the big ones. Five of those to my home. Five of them. I had so many fucking Lux deville bags, it was wild. I was giving away Lux deville bags for a very long time.

[B]

And this is one of my favorite moments. So when this is. So Bob actually won, and then purse first came out, and then I. At the show Queen, I did my Bob the Drag Queen mix, one of our things, and Bob was in town. I was like, oh, so. And you were around doing something, you're like, oh. I was like, come to Queen afterwards so you can pop out. You can pop out in my number and give up purses. And then for some, when Bob pops out, I don't think they registered who it was or he was giving purses. So I have this video of Bob giving the purses, trying to get people just.

[A]

No one wants a purse.

[B]

And the video, you just see Baku, like. And then no one takes him out. Just like, I need to find this. I can put this on his own.

[A]

I used to watch. Here, bitch. Here, take the first bitch.

[B]

So this is your second win. How were you feeling after your second win? Were you like, oh, I'm gonna. I. I am. I'm. I'm a front runner.

[A]

I. I mean, if I'm being real, I always feel like a front runner. In fact, one of my moments that I had with. With the late, great Jacqueline, when we were sitting down, she'd always ask me how I feel, and I was like, I'm gonna win this. And she's like, bob, you can't say that. You have to.

[B]

Like,

[A]

she was like. I mean, you can say it if you really want, but, I mean, she was like. She's like, at no point were you feeling anything else? I was like, I don't know. I I think I'm doing really great. I think. I think I'm gonna. I think I'm gonna win this show.

[B]

Work. Rest in peace, Jacqueline. I think about Jacqueline very often, to be honest. I really love that lady. Me too. And then that lip sync. I mean, Betty was trying to, like, pull off the birds and, like, trying to swing them around, and they almost too.

[A]

Betty says something else. When Betty fashioned the bottom, she goes, I agree Snatch Game sucks, but I agree my Snatch Game sucks, but I think Snatch Game sucks. And I was like, can you just take your L and, like, keep walking?

[B]

I think Snatch Game sucks.

[A]

Like, can you just say I didn't do a good job and keep it pushing? Why I gotta be like, well, it sucks because this whole institution is shit.

[B]

I live.

[A]

Because during the mirror moment she came, she expressed that she doesn't fit in anywhere. Like, she doesn't fit in in the New York City nightlife scene.

[B]

Oh, yeah, she did.

[A]

You know, And I also really love the point where Derrick Weary just goes, nancy Grace is terrible. That's my. One of my favorite quotes in this episode. It's just Derrick Weary going, nancy Grace is terrible. But, yeah, Betty was kind of like, saying that she doesn't fit in anywhere and that she doesn't have, like, a lot of. Like, she doesn't get invited to a lot of stuff. But maybe it's. I don't know. We saw a softer side of Betty

[B]

not trying to kick her when she's down, but we're like, well, maybe it's you. Damn.

[A]

I don't think we saw a softer side of Betty.

[B]

Naomi looks so hot when she's taking off her clothes. Naomi has such a hot body.

[A]

Sex on legs, very great body. And I thought that the. I really couldn't tell who won, to be honest. I think that it could have probably gone either way. I do think that if asked to be was going to start giving birth, something should have came out of the body. You know what I mean?

[B]

I was thinking too, she was doing the whole thing. I think she should have pulled something out. She should have had a gag plan, knowing how bad she was. Should have put something in hand, given birth to something.

[A]

And you can see me crying very, very hard when Naomi comes back and when nasty Betty leaves. This whole elimination just made me very emotional.

[B]

I have never seen this side of you. Wow. Not Bob being emotional. I have never seen this.

[A]

Anyway, Monet, as the Betty goes home, Naomi Smalls is saveded. And we have a few more episodes left. I think we have five more episodes left. No. Four more episodes left.

[B]

Yeah. Until the grand finale of RuPaul's Dragger season eight. Are you team Robbie Turner? Are you team Chi Chi Devane? Are you team Thorgy Thor? Are you team Kim Chi? Are you team Bob the Drag Queen? Are you team Derrick Berry? Derrick Berry.

[A]

Wow. Not the Derrick Berry eraser. Did you say anything small?

[B]

Are you Team the only small? Damn. So many people left.

[A]

If it was season 14, RuPaul would just say, fuck it. Let's go to the finale with all nine of y' all motherfuckers. All right, Monet, I love you very, very much. And Drag Queen, we'll see y' all next week. And thank you all for joining us on this journey. I'm thoroughly enjoying, to quote some of you, forcing you all to watch season eight because Monet's on All Stars anyway.

[B]

Mom is. Okay, listen, we love you, and we'll support you in this. This. No shade hair, baby. We love you and we'll do this for you.

[A]

Nigga. Shut the fuck up.

[B]

Bye. Wow. Goodbye.