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And I'm Monet X Change.
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And this is sibling rivalry. Ladies and gentlemen, y' all are in for a treat. We have a sister to the pod. She is one of our cousins. So if y' all don't know anyone who is not. We called them my cousins. So so far, the cousins are Peppermint, Naomi Smalls, ke' Jia Carr, and maybe Layla. But she's, like our, like, white play cousin. She not, like. She's not, like, for the family. You know what I mean? Ladies and gentlemen, we have the lovely, the New York icon Keshia Carr in the house.
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What's up?
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What's up?
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What's up? What's up?
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It's been so long.
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It has been, like, way too.
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I know. I know. The last time we had you on the podcast, we did the transracialism episode. Lord, the children were gathering. Well, a lot of people saw what we were saying, but some people were trying to gather, as they do.
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Yeah, they were. Yeah, they were.
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You know, and they get mad when people give the honest opinions. I'm like, bitch, we are talking about things that everybody talk about with, like, their friends. We just happen to have some microphones and some followers.
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100. 100.
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How have you been making it out in old New York City?
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Oh, you know, it's the same old, same old, you know, New York City nightlife, drag drama.
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Really?
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Oh, I. You know, every once in a while,
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I miss the New York City nightlife drama, though.
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I kind of miss it. Girl. There's. There's some drama happening right now that when we get off. Okay, okay, okay. Work, work.
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Also, this alcohol drive is really cute.
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Thank you. I made it. Little sweatshirt.
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Did you really?
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Yeah.
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Well, I'm saying, can I get. Can I order one that is you.
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Thank you.
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What it is also the over, like, the big button will make me look, like, really dainty. I'm like, oh, my gosh, she's so tiny, like, the. But look at how big the button looks on her.
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Oh, oh, okay. That's all it's gonna take is the button.
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So this is sibling wise, where we, as y' all know, reviewing RuPaul's Drag Race UK season four. Three, which seems like it will never
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end, which is crazy, because it's only been, like, eight episodes, but it feels longer than season 13.
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Oh, for sure. I mean, you know what? And again, I think it's because we have, like, currently RuPaul's Drag Race Italy, RuPaul's Drag Race Canada, and RuPaul's Drag Race UK3 are all running simultaneously. So you open and not giving and not giving. And then you open your Instagram and you see, like, the runner is like, wait. And they're like, oh, that's a different.
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Like, it's.
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There's so much dragons have. I don't even know what's happening, you know?
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And then they announced France.
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France?
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Yeah, they announced France yesterday or the day before.
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Oh, my. Not France.
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That is Nicky Doll trying to come for that Brooklyn. Brooklyn Heights game.
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Oh, my God. Do you think. Okay. You think they're going to. No. At least Brooklyn was top two. Nikki doll was like, top 13. No shade. No shade.
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Can we still call it top 13?
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Like, Nick, I'm sure Nikki Doll is probably trying to throw her hat in the ring to try to host.
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You can't. 100%.
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No way, girl. I'm sorry. It's a no. It's a no for me.
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Why not?
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Ke you can confidently say that Nicky Doll should host a franchise of Drag Race.
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Okay, so, like, conversations with Nicki. Nicki is funny. She's personal. She's like. And she's got great looks. I think she could do it.
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Okay, can y' all please. Can y' all please comment and sound off below? If y' all think that Nikki doll should host RuPaul's Drag Race France, I'm interested. What favorite?
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I didn't say should.
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Okay, could.
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I didn't say should. I said could.
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And that, ladies and gentlemen, is the subtle Keesha Kar Shade that only few are privy to
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or the thousands of people listening.
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That being said, I think we should jump right on into this episode of Drag Race uk. And from the top, in the fallout, all the girls are going around counting badges as they do every freaking episode. I didn't realize that Vanity had a badge. Did I miss that episode? When did that happen?
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She won it in the. The girl group challenge. She doesn't. She didn't have a single win herself. She won it in the girl group Challenge.
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That makes sense. That makes sense. I was like, vanity has a badge, and. And she would have had it before Kitty. Which is crazy to me, because as y' all know, I'm a Kitty. Stan. I want her to win.
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I'm. I'm here for Kitty.
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What is it about a Kitty? I'm here for Kitty. That is so. That people like her so much. I don't. I just really like her.
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I think she's. I think her personality is actually genuine. Like, she's just comfortable in who she is, and it's easy to connect to her. Yeah.
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And she's funny. She's no shade to the girl. She's a funny queen, and she makes fun references and stuff. Were you gagging a couple episodes ago when Scarlett Harlot was like, I'm the comedy queen of the season. RuPaul is here for me. She loves my jokes. I make RuPaul laugh. And all the girls are like, bitch, where?
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Where? Where? Like that Macaulay Culkin scream that had RuPaul cackling. What?
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Yeah, Ru does that sometimes. I'm like, ru, girl, it is not that funny, mama. No.
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You are gaslighting the fuck out of us.
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Yeah, yeah, agreed. And getting the top. That's really the only thing I noticed. Was there anything that you got right off the top of the episode?
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I just. I'm so tired of these forced conversations at the top of these episodes. It's just so forced. It's like, okay, guys, now talk about this. Like, okay. And all you got to talk about is how many badges each one of you has. That's every conversation. Yeah.
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You know, and, you know, obviously, it is a reality show, and they do it every season, but some queens are better at making it feel natural so it doesn't feel as. We not feel like we're like. It's 100%, but. Yeah, but these queens aren't particularly good about making it seem like a natural conversation. Yeah, yeah, Kitty is.
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But the rest of them are hard.
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Right, well, real quick, before I. Who do you want to win? Oh, you want Kitty to win? Okay, good. Yeah. Okay.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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And we go on to the next day. And again, for the 14th time, this episode, and it's only two minutes in, they're counting badges, and now Kitty is adding sashes. Like, every beat, they take it to count badges. I'm like, what? Leave the songs talking about the fucking badges, Girl, please.
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And they still ain't worth no money. So you know what I mean?
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See, now, that's how Drag Roy shaded The girls, they should only give the. You should not be able to purchase them from WorldOfWonded.com, whatever. They should only be for the people who own the show.
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Right?
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And if you want to sell it a. It will make them more of a commodity, and people will probably. Then, if you really want to be that bitch and you hate the show, auction off your badges. You know what I mean? And make some coins. Absolutely. But, yeah, they sell them at, like, at DragCon and World of Wonders, so anybody can get some fucking butt.
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They got them at Target, girl.
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I saw them over at the CVS yesterday.
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Badge next to the. Next to the cabinet, right at the
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front, right by the register. They're like, before you go, take the pita badge, girl.
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And this long ass receipt. Okay.
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Drew comes in the. Hello, hello, hello. And we found out that the challenge is a roast challenge. But the twist is the audience will be all the eliminated queens. I'm not.
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Is that a twist?
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Yeah, it's not really a twist, right? They try to make it a twist.
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Like, they were like, you're gonna be roasting yourself. I was like, that's part of a roast.
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That's one of my favorite ro. Okay, so I'm a really big fan of the Comedy Central roast, and they're always so funny. One of my favorite ones is Linda deros of Justin Bieber and Natasha Ledger, which I didn't know anything about her, but bitch, she was coming with that ether. She was like, Justin Bieber was born to a teenage mother. No wonder he had such great dance moves. He's been dodging a coat hanger since he was in the womb. I was like, so good. That's, like, good roast jokes, you know?
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That's good stuff. That's good stuff. I love a roast. Have you ever done a roast? I love a roast.
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Did you do the one? The famous.
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I did Tina Brenner's birthday roast.
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Yes.
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Yes. No Shade, you and Crack were the best ones. I don't know.
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Thank you. Thank you. Well. Cause people are too scared. You know what I mean? They don't want to go in.
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It's like, the last rose I remember with Drag Race was the one. Well, not the infamous one from season 13, when Utica was just going in on, like, the judges. And Loni love, like, you, the one Vomit, which was really good. And I hear it's a roast challenge, and I'm not excited about it because I don't think this batch of queens are strong enough to deliver good roasts. So I'm not anticipating this being a good roast. And for the most part, I was right.
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No. Yeah. Like, I think everybody knew coming into this that it was gonna be kind of lackluster. I think that's probably why they added the. Oh, it's at the Pearly gates. Oh, it's you. Oh, it's in front of the eliminated queens. They were like, we gotta.
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Because it's so. Damn. No one's excited. And also, a roast with only four queens. It's like, it feels real bald headed. I'm like, it should be at least six queens, you know? Yeah, yeah, it was very.
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It was very bald headed.
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Very that. And because Ella has the most badges, Ella gets to choose the lineup. And I think her strategy is smart.
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Saying, yeah, it's what I would say.
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I would have chosen the same way because Krista will go first because she's going to be terrible. And then whoever goes right after her is going to look great, which was fucking Ella. And then put someone who's going to be really bad after Ella. She knew it would be vanity.
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Yep.
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And then put Kitty last because, yes, she's funny, but maybe going last. I don't know.
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I don't know. Maybe.
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Maybe switch Kitty and vanity. But no, but, but if Kitty nailed it right after Ella, it would have. No, because Ella would have went after.
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Yeah, she looks even better.
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True, true.
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You know what I mean? Like, and maybe putting her last one, like, put pressure on her. You know what I mean? Is like, okay, you gotta close the show, girl. You know what I mean? Maybe she falters under the pressure.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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It's what I would have done.
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And they have, like a little makeup. They had the little makeup getting ready moment. What's anything good? What were they talking about? I didn't write a note because I was so over the episode. I was so bored.
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I was bored. I was bored. I was like vanity. And Ella talked about growing up and masculinity and.
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Yes.
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And yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Which again, it's not like. Not to. Not to, like, discount those two queens. Personal experiences. But this is not a new conversation that we've had on Drag Race. Like, we've had this conversation several times before and they didn't add nothing new to the conversation, so.
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I know. And again, it. I will say of the conversations, because they weren't getting a makeup. They were kind of just sitting in a vanity, like, talking to each other. Because what I grew up driving crazy. When people have these, like, serious conversations and one has, like, one eyebrow glued Color corrector. Like, looking crazy. At least they look like normal. Having the conversation human. Like human beings. You know what I mean? And, yeah, so that was pretty much the most exciting thing that happened in this episode. Y', all, we are pulling at straws to make this season sound exciting and fun. And then we go into the roast. Wait, wait, Jacob, did you put their roast outfits, too? Oh, yeah. You did. Perfect. All right, work. Okay, so first up, for the Pearly gates roast, which I didn't understand, the concept of it being this pearly gate.
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Why were we at the pearly gates?
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It didn't make a whole bunch of sense to me.
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It feels like it was a Runway challenge that they weren't gonna use, and so they just, like, pushed it together. You know what I mean?
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Kizhakar. That makes sense.
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That's what it felt like to me. I was like, oh, yeah. Because there was no reason for them to be at the pearly Gates. No reason.
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Yeah, for sure. And then. And then when. Because we'll get to the. When we, like, discuss her look. You know, I'll save her. I'll save her for that. I'll save her for that. So first up was Krystal Versace. Let's look at Crystal's look. I think Crystal looks great. I love this outfit.
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Yeah, I think she looks good. It looks like the wings look a little cheap.
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Yeah, the wings are a little cheapy cheepy.
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Other than that, I think she looks great. What are you.
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Oh, her nipple is out. Oh, Crystal's having a little nip slip. Okay. I said, since I haven't had, like, her.
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Wait, let me ask you this question. How do you feel about these. These new breastplates?
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That's exactly what I was just going. I was just gonna say, I don't understand why the, like, the girls wear it with everything. No matter what they have, they have these breastplates on, and I don't know how. I mean, I think for this situation work, because if you were to wear this outfit without the breastplate, the bra would show. So, like, I get it for this, but sometimes they wear them, and they don't need to wear them. So a. You're making yourself hot as hell for no reason. You're like. Like, you just wear a regular bra, and it will be the same thing. It won't always. And then sometimes they don't. They're really bad. Some of them are concealing the line, and I'm like, girl, like, it's so obvious, like, when it's showing here and Here, how do you feel about them?
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And they just. What gags me is the texture difference, because, like, from going from your face to the chest plates, like, there's a little bit of a break. So it's not like you look like a lollipop girl, like, sitting here like this. And the texture difference is so, like, stark that it just. It bothers me. I hate them every time I see them.
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Yeah. I will say this is the first season of draggers not even in America. I don't really notice people using breastplaids like that, but this is the first thing to drag race, where I feel like every queen all the time is wearing them on this season. It's like a really popular trend over there. Yeah.
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Crystal's Rose. Crystal's was very uncomfortable. Now, did I. I didn't think Crystal would do, like, an amazing job at the roast, but it was still really comfortable. And she wouldn't stop making old jokes. It was really weird that that was the only thing she liked.
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Baby. Her roast was not great. Great, great, great.
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Like, I.
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Well, I kind of expected her to pull a gottmik.
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I thought she was gonna be like, oh, okay.
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I thought she was like, oh, I don't do comedy. I would have never done this before and then come out and slay everybody. Like, I was kind of. I was kind of expecting that kind of bait and switch. Yeah, it's not what happened.
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Yeah, that was what happened. That. That. Great, great, great. It just went on too long. I was like, like, why would you even. Like, that didn't even sound funny. Like, I Don't know. It was weirded out angle. She went.
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I mean, I was. I was, I guess, weirdly proud of her for, like, she was, like, still, like, confident and everything. And she likes the. You know what I mean? Like, she had the presence. She was there. Yeah, she didn't. She wasn't defeated ever. But, like.
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Yeah, it was. It was a rough one. But, you know, someone. Someone's. Either the judges or one of the. Oh, no. She said. Or she said, I can't be great at. Oh, maybe someone read her saying she can't be great at everything. And I mean, for the most part, Crystal has done a good job in a season, even in that draggatan challenge, something I didn't think she would be good at. She was funding that and that she was good, you know, and that improv dancing thing, whatever you want to call that. So she has surprised me. But she definitely is not a stand up comedian and can deliver jobs.
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She is not.
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Yeah.
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And that's okay.
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Yeah. You know, that's what I'm saying. Drag Race makes every. Makes the viewers, y', all think that every queen has to be good at everything. Everybody's not good at everything. Some people can tell jokes, some people can't. Some people can't wear really nice clothes and be fashionable. Some people can't. Like, you know, everyone does not need to do everything right. Yeah.
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And those who can win Drag Race.
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Hello. Well, I can almost do everything, but I can fake the ones that can't do enough to win. You know what I mean?
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Well. And that's the name of the game. That's the name of the game. All you gotta do on the. When you're on that week that you're not strong at, you just gotta get by.
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Yes, yes, yes.
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You just gotta not be eliminated that week.
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Exactly, bitch. And so, yeah, that was Crystal. She was that. Next up is Elle of A Day. Keisha, how do you feel? How do you. Because this is my first time hearing opinions about a lot of these queens. How do you feel about Ella? Like, as a whole, like, as a queen.
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Y' all are not gonna sit here and tell me that Elleva Day is slaying the game. Y' all are not gonna sit here and tell me that Elle of A Day is hot. Y' all not gonna sit here and tell me that Ellen Day is about to win RuPaul's Drag Race. I can't. I can't. She's so, like, she's not bad. She's just very basic.
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Yeah. You know, that's I. I agree that assessment 100%. I don't. I don't think Ella is actually. And as a whole, I think she's a pretty good drag queen, but just something about her that's not, like, dynamic or fierce.
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Nothing special.
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Nothing special about her. Yeah. Yeah. But she seems perfectly nice and sweet and fine, but absolutely all of those things. Yeah. But to win Drag Race off of, like, I feel like Vivian and Lawrence cheering it, like, I just. I just don't see it.
B
Like, I just. I don't. I don't see it. Yeah.
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But that being said, she did a great job in this role. She was really funny.
B
She did a great job in the. Well, okay. I can't fully say that because it was. Her jokes were unoriginal.
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Yeah.
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Like, I've heard those jokes before. You know what I mean? Like, I was like, they were funny jokes, but they weren't hers.
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So that makes me think. Do you think that she, like, came in with, like, a whole bunch of, like, like, now. Now queens are probably anticipating a rose challenge. Do you think she probably came with, like, a bunch of jokes and she was like, oh, this is. This one that.
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Oh, absolutely. I know that I've, like, helped queens prepare, like, roast jokes and whatnot, you know, for the reading challenge. And when they figure out who's on
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the season, they have, like, a book, a bunch of fat jokes, a bunch of skinny ones, a bunch of old ones, and be like, oh, this bitch is that. And this is kind of copy and paste.
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She did have one that I enjoyed when she told Victoria Scone the knee slide into her dm. Yes, that. Yes.
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Yes. I was at. I was at a viewing party, and someone didn't recognize. I was like. Because she liked the knee. I was like, that was. That was a really clever joke. I love that. That was a clever one.
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That was a good one.
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Knee sliding. Yeah. Also, Crystal. Not Crystal, the spooky one who got eliminated. Charity Case.
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Oh, Charity. Charity. Look good. But what.
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Okay. She was, like, fully just wearing, like, a mask. Did you see that?
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Yeah. Like, there was. It didn't seem like there was a whole lot of, like, pain going on, but I'm here for Charity.
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I like Charity, too.
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I'm obsessed. I'm obsessed.
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Did you know Charity before? Before she was on the show? A lot of people I did not even know she was a thing.
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I didn't.
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Okay. Everyone's like, oh, yeah, Charity. I was like, why is everyone knowing this bitch? Oh, my God. But, yeah, Ella was good, and I think what was Most impressive about Ella was that there was not a whole bunch of, like, gaps in her thing. Like, she was. She kept on going. She was. Kept delivering joke after joke after joke. So it made her seem even better and more prepared. Cause she was just landing, like, 100% one after the deal, which was great.
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And she was away from the podium
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and, like, she felt like a queen, like, at a party, hosting a show, and, like, you know. Yeah.
B
Yeah. Fully. Fully.
A
What'd you think of her look for Ella? I think this was good. She always looks so old. Like, old always looks old. Which I don't understand why. Because she's not that old. Right. She's like, in the 32. Like, you don't have to. She always looks so matronly.
B
Yeah. Like, it's because her personal style isn't, like, super fresh. It's like.
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Yeah.
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You know what I mean? Like, it's very. Just.
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Yeah. Queen, huh?
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You know what I mean? Like, that's her.
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And then forget again, y'.
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All.
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This is a perfect example. Why are you wearing a breastplate with this outfit? Like, why are you wearing a breastplate? It's so unnecessary. Bitch, just put on a bra. Get.
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Put on a bra.
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Yeah, put on the bra and do, like, every. Like. Like, people do the stuff. It was on polyfill and just put on a. Why are you wearing a breastfeed with this outfit? It literally makes no sense.
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No sense.
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And she always chooses such strange hair for outfit, even though this one doesn't. Is not so crazy. Ella always chooses really strange hair. I'm always just like, okay, I didn't
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understand the hair color. I mean, I was like, why this yellowish orange? That was so confused.
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And after Ms. Ella V. Was the dirty rice queen herself, which is Ms. Vanity Milan. And I want to say what the dirty rice. Obviously, it's like an inside joke, but we didn't see the joke on camera. So every time she makes it, we watching it. We don't get it. We don't get the dusty rice thing. So she keeps on making this joke and, bitch, you're not going to sell shirts with that. Because we don't understand. We're not in on the joke.
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You know what I mean? She said. I said.
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And we're like, we're not. We're not. It's not going to be. It's not going to pop off. The reason why Ms. Banjo successful, because it happened on camera and we saw it happen. So we can connect with that. The dirty rice thing. We did not see it, girl. But you Know, the season is what it is.
B
It's like, stop trying to happen.
A
That being said, vanity was terrible at the roast.
B
Boo. Tomatoes.
A
Yeah. And, you know, as a queen, as a person. Not even a queen. A human being with a speech impediment. I get it. Stumbling over your words. Okay, I do it. Oh, yeah, bitch. I grew up stammering really bad. Like, when I was, like, young, like, seven, eight, nine. Like, I could. This is me. Like, I couldn't get. Yeah, I had a really bad stammering. My mom would make me sit at the dinner table and read books out loud for, like, hours. And that's how I fixed it. But I still struggle. Like, I struggle with it sometimes. You.
B
You fixed your stammer through trauma.
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I mean, it worked, girl.
B
Whatever gets you there, baby.
A
Yeah. Mom would make me sit and read for, like, hours, and then I would, like, struggle through. Yeah, it was really bad.
B
Crazy.
A
Yeah. So I had no idea, like, when. When she, like, was trying to, like, go off the cuff and, like, read, read. The. The audience were laughing, and she was, like, stumbling a little bit. I was like, oh, I feel bad for her. But, you know, again, vanity does not strike me as a comedianity is not going to be doing stand up. She's not a comedian, so.
B
Right.
A
Yeah. She's also so young, and she was
B
defeated before she went in. Remember, like, when. Earlier, when they were having the conversation, she was, like, talking about how she was going to be bad before she started, she was. Yeah, 100%. She looks okay.
A
Which is like, this is, like, one of the best she's looked on the show.
B
The best looks.
A
Which is why I think maybe your assessment of it being a Runway made beach may be true, because this looks like. She looks like she spent a lot of money on this outfit. So I think it maybe was a Runway. And. And then. Which we'll get to later. She wore what she wanted. Runway bitch. I would have. I would have changed it up. I would have saved this outfit for the Runway, and I would have wore what you want to Runway here. Because it's just a challenge. Yeah, it would have been, like, white under white. I'm like, well, I'm. I'm. I'm an evil angel. Like, I would have just, like, made something up because her. Her challenge outfit was 10 times better than the Runway.
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10 times better. 10 times better. I. But I will say. I will say there was one moment during her where I was. I felt bad for her because I just like, oh, this joke didn't land because there are no Black people around. When she said. When she told Ella that they could send her luggage.
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Which one was it?
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The. The Beyonce to when she Beyond. She was like. And she was like, no, no. I was like, oh, baby, no black people around. Black person in the room.
A
Wait, RuPaul was the only black person there?
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The only one.
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Oh my God. Oh my God. She did bring that up. She was like, I'm the only black queen on the scene. I was like, oh my God. She really was the only black queen this season. Whoa. That's just kind of crazy, black director. I mean, I've been to the uk. There are a lot of black people there. But maybe not a lot of black queens auditioned for the season. I don't fucking know. But yeah, Vanny looked really good. I was really proud of her look. But the standup was pure garbage.
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And let go of whatever you're carrying today.
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Oh, sorry. I almost couldn't breathe when I saw the discount they gave me on my first order. Oh, sorry. Namaste.
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about her look 80s choir angel on the bottom. And then I'm going.
A
Sweet, Sad. It's very. That 80s on the top was like
B
40 year old mom going to a Halloween. Like this hair that was just like bobby pins right here.
A
Like what?
B
It was such a normal hairstyle. Like, you know what I mean? Like just a regular ass on the street hairstyle. I was like, why did she choose this?
A
Let me tell you about this wig, okay? But this, this, I had this wig in 1B and this was my trade wig. All right? And I will put up just like that when I was going to suck some dick.
B
Trade wig.
A
It's a trade wig, girl. This is going over. He said he downstairs. I'm like, oh, let me, let me get the human. I'm just pin it right here and this won't get in my face. That's realness, honey.
B
That's realness.
A
Yeah. Kenny did not look great. And y' all know this my girl.
B
But that little halo.
A
The little halo girl.
B
What? What?
A
Let me tell you something. A big with a little halo is much like a big with a small backpack. It looks crazy. All right. As a big. I can. I would not wear a tiny backpack because I know I look crazy.
B
That's the truth. That is just the truth. Oh, my God.
A
Her in the roast, she wasn't as strong as I thought Kitty was gonna be.
B
Same.
A
Yeah. I was a little disappointed with how, again, she wasn't bad, but I would just. I. My expectations and my hopes were really high for the. Oh. Kid is about to, like, nail it. She's about to say that she was fine. Ella would definitely, like, light years be better than her.
B
Yeah, I. I just thought at least Kitty's jokes were hers. That was my only thing is that, like, at least her jokes were original, and I was. I was here for that. But, yeah, it was nothing. Like, I'm trying. I can't remember anything that made me, like, really laugh out loud.
A
Yeah, me either. Me either. And I know it's a roast, but something. I find a commonality between her and Krystal, I felt like. And, yes, roast, you're reading. But I just feel like her and hers and Crystal were, like, really felt like, really like, reading challenge as opposed to. I don't know.
B
It's like, there's a very telling joke. Yeah.
A
Telling jokes. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
B
But.
A
Yeah, but she still was not in the bottom. And. But we'll get to the judge's critiques. The judges critiques were very interesting to me.
B
Very interesting.
A
Yeah. And that was the roast.
B
And then. Oh, I will say, let's talk about these girls in the audience.
A
Oh, yes, please.
B
Let's talk about these looks in the audience, because I have been needing. I have been needing to talk about Veronica Green for a long time.
A
Oh, girl, please. Ke', ja. I think we're on the same wavelength.
B
We're being gaslit into thinking that Veronica Green is a great drag queen.
A
Right. And no shade to Veronica, but actually, all the shades. I don't get it.
B
I don't get it either. And I actually liked her on season two. But, like, coming back here, I was like,
A
yeah, I don't even. In, like, as you're coming back and you just sing in the audience, you see they go to speech in front of me. Coming up. That was the time, like, you just sitting pretty, looking cute, and like, that's
B
baby stunt on these hoes, you know? Stunt on these hoes. Like,
A
yeah, yeah, yeah.
B
I think Charity looks great.
A
Charity looks great.
B
Whatever that was, I loved it.
A
And your eyes went immediately to her.
B
Yeah. Teresa looked good.
A
Theresa did look good. I was very. I was like, all Right. Theresa. She just. She just has some questionable, like, small things to do. But overall, Teresa has looked really great this season, so it's really good.
B
Agreed.
A
Victoria Scott. I don't remember what she had. I don't remember being super impressed.
B
I don't remember. Yeah, I don't remember her look.
A
Let me look it up real quick. Victoria Scone.
B
I don't remember her look.
A
Did she post? Oh, I don't know if this is the look she wore, though. The eyebrowing.
B
Is that the drippy? Yeah, the drippy, like, maroonish dress.
A
Oh, yeah, that's cute.
B
Oh, that's a cute dress. Yeah, that's a cute. That's a cute look.
A
Yeah, that's cute. Okay. Victoria also, sister show. Her face looks beat, honey. She looks. She's real.
B
Yeah, it was good before, but she's like.
A
Oh, yeah. She's, like, really getting into it.
B
Yeah.
A
Yeah.
B
I wish I really remember the rest of them.
A
Yeah, I don't remember. I don't remember the rest of them either. None of the rest of them were, like, super impressive. But Charity, Teresa, and I thought. And now seeing it on Instagram, I thought Victoria Scone look was really cute. I didn't see it up close.
B
Yeah.
A
Yeah. Let's get into the Runway, shall we?
B
Let's do it. Let's do it.
A
First up. Oh, let's talk about Rue's look. I think rule looks cute.
B
Ah, you don't like it? I like. I want it. I wanted to like it more than I did.
A
Okay.
B
Like, I. I like the idea of it. It was something about the skirt that was not working for me. I loved the. I loved the bodice. I loved the bodice. It was something about the skirt that wasn't working for me.
A
And I also. I also listen, I love when people, like, pull the look back into the shoe and they put, like, a little bit of the fabric, and the shoe is so awful. Like, one cozy look.
B
Sure.
A
Only thing that changed is they put, like, a little bit in the hair too, but that's really nitpicking. But I think. I think it was good. You know, she was beat.
B
Hair and face were on. She looked great.
A
Nailed it. Raven has got it down to a science every time.
B
Nailed it.
A
Stunning every time. As you know, we were. We were all. For season nine. It was a little rough season nine, but Ru has been coming on. Ravens has been coming on through. First up was Krystal Versace. This is eerily similar to. Oh, I'm sorry, y'.
B
All.
A
The Runway theme is. Oh, my goddess. And this is eerily similar to jujubes All Stars 5 finale to me.
B
So I wrote, this looks like a knockoff. Diego. Yes.
A
You can tell the designer was 1,000% inspired by Diego Montoya.
B
100%.
A
Yeah.
B
Yep, yep, yep, yep.
A
Yeah, yeah.
B
And it just didn't. And like, the problem is because we've seen what Cracker wore and what jujubee wore that, that season, like, because we've seen that already. This looked not up to par to me. You know what I mean? From far away, I was like, I was like, oh, okay, work. And then as camera got closer, I
A
was like, oh, uh huh. I agree. I see. I agree 1000%. It just, it looks like you literally, when you order, like, the Diego Montoya on Amazon prime and then you get in the mail, you're like, oh, this is like. And you're like, oh, this Diego Montoya is only $13. That's crazy. Let me buy it. And you get in the mail, you're like, okay, yeah, I can see why it's $13, because you get exactly what you pay for, you know, And I,
B
and I'm not here for the queens, like, you know, going into debt to,
A
going, oh, yeah, for sure. I don't mean that at all.
B
But like, there are ways to make things or just don't do that kind of look when we've already seen that if you're not gonna do it at that level.
A
Which I will say a couple of her looks now are, have. Cause Krista Versace is clearly a queen of RuPaul's Drag Race. Like, her references, like, she started drag, like, because of RuPaul's Drag Race. Like, you can like, you can like. So a lot of her references seem to be like previous looks we've seen, like, with her, the one that she wore with the, the one that she made it look like a mixture of Aquaria. And then we see malls and, you know, so a lot of it seems heavily inspired by old Drag Race looks. But at this point, there have been so many looks. Bitch. Go for someone who, like, really, what
B
would be a gag.
A
You go for someone who, like, really bombed the look and, like, think about how you could do it and, like, do it better than them. So, like, when you see the reference, you're like, like, oh, my God, like, example, like, I don't know, someone needs. Someone in a future season needs, needs to make one of the Runway themes fit the lala ri bag thing and fucking do fierce version of it and people will live, you know?
B
Yeah, she's gonna be here on December 3rd for my melanated show and I'm making a address kekar for like.
A
Yeah, that's something. If y' all not following Kea Keisha, first of all, it Keja Kawu will whip up a fucking Oscar worthy gown in like 45 minutes. Like Keisha is super talented on the sewing machine and the looks that you create, girl, are so wild. You've always been that girl though, with looks.
B
Thank you, thank you.
A
The show be Sunday night. You go to Keisha house Sunday afternoon at 5pm she's like, no, I start your girl. And then. But by showtime, the look is fully done with gloves and a matching headpiece and shoe covers and the whole thing. It's really crazy. I'm excited to see your Lala relook. Oh, I can't wait to see it.
B
It's happening, it's happening.
A
But yeah, overall Crystal looks fine, but it's not amazing to me. Yeah, right. Right up next was Ella Vidae.
B
Okay, I liked this. I liked this.
A
I did too.
B
And I thought the choice of hair was. It could have been, you know what, what, what's her name? Eve6000 is doing on UK the kind of like Canada. I haven't seen it straight or haven't seen yet. Well, she does this like it's like a fashion, you know, bone straight Naomi thing. But like it's. It's always bumped in a song, like in a half moon circle thing and then the rest of it just falls. I wish Ella's hair had done something like that because this just looked like lazy and. But it made her. But that down hair made her look younger.
A
It did make her look younger. I would agree with that. But I agree, like it looked like. And again, I don't know, bitch. I don't know how to like curl. I can curl a wig enough to like do that at a club, not to wear on tv. And you could clearly tell that she doesn't really know super how to do hair. So like the curls weren't like all even and some weren't really curled. And it's like because she curled with the curline when she also. Everyone is obsessed with human hair wigs now. Everyone wants a human hair wig. Human hair Kara is like, no. And you can tell she curled it. But she didn't like, she didn't let. She didn't let the hair cool down enough. She didn't. So anyway, a bunch of things. It just didn't look neat and tidy. Whereas Christopher comes out in a human hair wig. She clearly has been playing with human hair and always looks right, you know? So, yeah, Ella, I like the idea. I didn't do. She was. She was a constellation. She was different constellations.
B
Yeah, she was.
A
Yeah, Like a starry night. Like the goddess of the stars. The starry constellation. Okay, okay.
B
Like, I didn't. I thought I. Like. I said I kind of like it.
A
I do kind of like it. The hair just threw me out. It's always her hair. It's always the hair with this.
B
Well, she doesn't like. It feels like she doesn't understand silhouette, like, from head to toe. Like, she can't balance, like, the whole look top to bottom. That's what it always feels like because there's always something off proportion.
A
But, you know, but again, I. I like. Most of the time, I really like what she's wearing, where she always throws me off with the hair, but, you know, almost. Ella Bay. And up next was Vanity Milan. Now, this picture. This looks nice in the picture.
B
Kevin. Kevin.
A
It looks nice.
B
Y', all.
A
Y', all, if you want to see the picture, go on. If you're listening, go on. Our Patreon and the picture, it looks Maximus picture. She looks fierce in this picture. She looks fierce.
B
I disagree. I just disagree. I just disagree. That is a corset that you put some chains on. That is one of those, you know, those, like, plastic appliques that are 35 in the garment district. Lay right up here. Like, the breastplate is 18 shades dark.
A
But again, I will give a pass because, you know, as chocolate queens, it's hard to get them breastplates and stuff in your color. It's really hard.
B
It is hard. It is hard, but, like, throw some makeup on it. Like, yeah, like.it just. It was. The whole thing was a mess. To me. It looked very.
A
Again, it looked bitch. Her challenge look was way better than this. She should have. She should have swapped. I would have been like. They would have asked me for my channel for my Runway look. I was like, this is it. And I'd been like, this is what I have. And I would just listen on track. Just do the thing.
B
I mean, that still would have saved her from going home.
C
Spoiler.
A
But, oh, Vanity. All right. And last but not least was Kitty Scott Claus. Gorgeous. Loved it,
B
loved it, loved it, loved it. She looks so good. She's so pretty to me.
A
That's what I said when Naomi was here. I was like, girl, she's like, this might sound shitty. I was like, but she's a doll. I was like, she Paints her mug to look.
B
Yeah, she's beautiful.
A
Gorgeous in drag. Gorgeous.
B
Gorgeous.
A
Yeah. And then. And then she. Herself and she puts that little flipper in, and her teeth always look so perfect. She would pop it.
B
Yes.
A
I hadn't even noticed she was a flipper on. On the. On the. On the main stage,
B
and.
A
And she's talking in the flipper because, y'. All. Because flippers, they don't. They stay there, but they're not as secure as, like, dentures or something, so it's, like, a little hard to, like, talk with, but she keeps them in and she talks. She's turning it.
B
She does it.
A
Yeah, Yeah. I think she looked great.
B
Yeah. Like, she looked.
A
It was a nice. It was a nice look for the theme.
B
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Definitely my favorite look of the night.
A
And the judges critiques now, maybe, because they obviously had to have hops and bombs, whatever, but they were, I feel, like, overly complimentary to Kitty. Like, I was like, kitty was fine. I thought so.
B
I was like.
A
They were, like, going in, like, Kitty, like, giving her all these compliments, and I was like, oh, yeah.
B
Well, then they did come back around. They did, like, because I noticed they dropped the music and, like, it was
A
like, yeah, you know, doing that.
B
Like, they give her. I was like, they give her a
A
little medicine when they were like, they had.
B
Did that think a little bit. I don't. I didn't think that they were gassing her as much as they were gassing Vanity on the show. Oh, yes. I was like.
A
I was like, come on. I was like, I'm looking at Michelle Visage because I know Michelle, and I'm like, michelle, there is no way on God's green earth that you like this outfit like this.
B
You don't like this.
A
No way.
B
You don't like this, Michelle?
A
No, you don't.
B
You don't like this. I feel like they were like, we know she's going home. She knows she's going home. Let's just be nice to the girl today. You know what I mean? That's what it felt like to me.
A
Yeah. I was like, girl, what? And they weren't as harsh as I thought they were going to be to Crystal, you know? Cause I think again, this whole season, I think the judges have done a better job of admitting of being just a little nicer. Even when that challenge, the acting challenge, Ru was like. And the script wasn't good. Like, I feel like Ru was like, baby, she.
B
I was like, oh, come on, throw the shade, Ru. Throw the shade. She threw the writers under the bus.
A
He was driving a girl. He was like, under the bus. I get it. So I feel like this whole season, even when Crystal and Victoria had that thing, they let them make up on camera, so there wasn't. So fans didn't feel the need to go on her page and be like Crystal. You know what I mean? They're making more concerted efforts to show more reality so that we. And be a little sweeter, which I like. I really like that whole vibe for the show.
B
I love that too.
A
And with that being said, Ella Bede wins this.
B
Oh, wait.
A
Oh, yeah. Ella. Ella wins, right?
B
Yeah.
A
Which makes her the queen with the most badges.
B
Ella win. Yeah.
A
Ella won four going into the finale.
B
Four going in.
A
Two.
B
Kitty's got a sash. Two and a sash. Don't forget the sash. Did you know Kitty had a sash and Crystal has two?
A
So Ella, for all intents and purposes, girl is the front runner.
B
Ke' I know. And it's not. We not gonna get a Sasha Velour rose petal moment from Kitty.
A
We don't know.
B
Well, I mean, it's not like a situation where they get to go home and prepare for this next week.
A
You know what I mean?
B
Whatever. Is there? Is there?
A
Yeah. When do you think Drag Race UK is gonna start doing a big. Is America gonna be the only franchise that has a live finale, you think?
B
Probably.
A
Because I would say that's America. The next biggest one. I don't know if that's even proper English. I sound like some hood bitch. I think the next bigger one is, I think, the biggest franchise outside of. Right. I got real. I think the next biggest one is the one.
B
The one that is the biggest next to.
A
I think the biggest franchise outside of us is UK or Mexico. I think it's uk.
B
Yeah. I think so, yeah.
A
Uk. So maybe after season Black America after season four. Season four will be the start of a live finale. Maybe, but. Maybe, maybe, maybe. And the bottom two are Crystal Versace and Vanity Milan. Now, after Vanity's really great lip sync last week, going into lip sync, I was like, this will be her fourth time lip syncing. There's no way she's saying it. Like, I knew Vanity was going home.
B
Well, yeah, yeah. Like, I was like, she's gotta. She's gotta go home. She's gotta go home. And then the song started, though, and I was like, oh, I know. I went, oh, shit. Is she about to, like, send this bitch packing?
A
I know. Which would be crazy. I don't think anyone has ever survived more Than four.
B
I don't think anyone has.
A
Yeah, four is the. Is seems to be like. Yeah, that's. Which is a lot of chances.
B
It's a lot of chances.
A
You know the person who. The only other person who did that was Cameron Michaels, but Cameron Michaels fourth one was in the grand finale. Like, it was like, for the crown.
B
Yeah.
A
You know, no one has ever done said four times in one season.
B
Did he taste.
A
Oh, this just in from our producer, Jacob Tayce. Did four lip syncs. So Chase did four lip syncs in Drag Race UK too. Worked.
C
Wow.
A
Well, one was a tie. Vanity didn't have any ties.
B
No, she didn't have any ties. Yeah, no.
A
Well, there you have. No, it was Scarlett Harlot tied with someone and no one went home that week. I don't remember who it was, though. Maybe it was Vanity. I don't remember the girl. Listen, I am actively trying to forget this season's happening as it's happening, so save your fucking comments. I don't remember everything about this season. I'm sorry. All right.
B
I don't.
A
My mind is getting prepared for season 14, which. That's gonna be a whole. Another one, girl. Another one. Yeah. Charity Case and Scarlet Harlot tied. Yes, that's right.
B
Okay.
A
So, yeah, they do the lipstick and in Vanity did a great job. She wasn't terrible. She wasn't. And when. I will say again, we're overseeing splits, but seeing Crystal do her little. It felt very fierce when she did her little split thing.
B
Yeah, like, Like, I was. I. I wasn't mad. I was like, oh, Crystal won this lip sync. Yeah, she won the lip sync. Yeah.
A
She fought hard for it. She. She deserved it.
B
She definitely did. But on the other side of that, like, had she not. And like, Vanity actually beat her in the lip sync and they sent Vanity home. Anyway, I think with. With lip syncing being such a, you know, a part of the bedrock of what we do. If you can lip sync your way to the crown, Lip sync your way to the crown.
A
I'm into that too. I'm into that too. Yeah. I think.
B
You know what I mean?
A
Like, I think that's fair.
B
Go ahead.
A
Like, lip syncing is like the. Like the. How do you say? The.
B
The foundation. The foundation, Yeah. I should have. Yeah, yeah.
A
Of drag. Yeah. But that. But Vanny does not win the lip sync. She goes home.
B
She does not.
A
Making the top three, Chris of Versace, Ella Vadae and Kitty Scott Claus. Finally, next week is the grand finale of this season, and we're going To.
B
Did you call this top three?
A
Do I what?
B
Did you call this top three?
A
No, the top three I thought was gonna be was gonna be Charity Case, Victoria Scone, and Krista Versace. I thought that was gonna be the top three.
B
Yep, that's exactly what I thought.
A
That's what I thought.
B
Yeah.
A
I will say I was super surprised that Charity played her drag race went how it did. I was very shocked by that for some reason. I just.
B
Yeah, I was. Yeah, they paid her dust. They paid her dust. I was like, this girl is fierce, bitch. Like, this is. This bitch is doing it.
A
Yeah. I think at the beginning there were one or two wins she should have had. And I think that when she didn't get those, it really fucked her up. And that was like her undoing. Which. Which I guess. Which is not. I guess, I think isn't mind fucking draggers. Like, when I know for me, when I feel like I did, like, really well and I can be very forthcoming. Like, I can admit when I. I'm terrible, when I'm she, When I'm bad, sometimes when I feel like I did really good and I don't get it, that really does fuck you up.
B
You're like, yeah, they jammed the fuck out of her.
A
Down, down, down.
B
Like, fully.
A
With that being said, can y' all please buy this bitch's fucking robes? If I see this bitch post about these fucking robes one more time, I'm going to literally find the warehouse and burn them. Buy them all, please.
B
She's triggered by the robe, girl.
A
If I see that robe on my timeline one more goddamn time, I'm going to lose my mind. I'm getting. I love jazz.
B
We going to see Charity on Dragula UK season one.
A
You know, drag. I'm sure Dragula trying to. Trying to start franchises. They try to do a drag. Australia Dragon. Oh, you know it's coming.
B
Or just bring her here.
A
Honestly.
B
Better do Dragula here.
A
Honestly. Yeah, for sure. But yeah. So this is the top three. We're going to grand finale and next week we'll have a winner. I. I mean, Ella has four badges, but again, badges doesn't equal a win. I think that if Kitty comes out and does a re. I don't see Krista Versace winning.
B
I don't see that either. Yeah, I don't see that either. Even though she has the same number of badges as Kitty. Kitty.
A
Yeah. I just don't hear when I see the fight really between Kitty and Ella. And I think Kitty needs to really have a show stopping, like, final episode and she could edge Ella out. But if Ella has a really good one too, I think it's probably gonna be hers.
B
Yeah. Ella, like, Ella has us a wider margin of performance for sure allowed. You know what I mean? She cannot do as well and still win.
A
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Kesha Carr, thank you so much for coming to Sibling Watchery.
B
Absolutely. Thanks for having me, Monet.
A
If y' all want to catch Kesha Carr, which you need to Keshia, tell them where they can find you gear.
B
You can find me on Instagram @hatbeardedqueen, that bearded queen. And then if you're in New York City, come see me weekly.
A
Yes.
B
Honey, I'm all over the place.
A
Keeja is the premier working dragon New York. Keeja has many a show. Keisha is so fucking funny. Keeja. If y' all listen to any of any rivalry episodes, the ones with Kesha on it, which we call. We often call Keisha. And Keisha always be siding with Bob when she know that Bob be fucking lying.
B
Well, no, Monet, I'm gonna start calling you RuPaul. Cause you gaslighting a bitch. You a gaslighting ass bitch.
A
Keisha Carby over there saying shit for Bob, knowing that Bob is full of. But it's okay because I love her anyway. Wait, are you. Are you not on TikTok?
B
I am, but I'm not, like, I'm on TikTok to, like, watch TikTok. I don't create content.
A
I know. I keep creating content on TikTok.
B
It's so much. I'm not trying to be seen.
A
This is too much.
B
Too much.
A
Say you're a millennial without seeing a millennial girl. I know Millen like, yeah, girl. We like to watch Tiktoks, but make them is a lot of, like, a lot of work.
B
Yeah, it's a lot of work.
A
Well, Keeja kind of and I are gonna go now because I wanna find out about some of this New York City drama Again, Keja, we're very grateful for having you here on Sibling wotery. And I love you so much.
B
I love you.
C
Bye.
B
Bye.
Podcast: Sibling Rivalry | Hosts: Monet X Change & Bob the Drag Queen (with guest Keshia Carr)
Date: November 22, 2021
This episode of Sibling Watchery features Monet X Change and guest Keshia Carr (NYC drag icon), diving into RuPaul’s Drag Race UK Season 3, Episode 9. The main event: the much-anticipated roast challenge, where the top 4 queens perform in front of the eliminated contestants. The hosts dissect the girls’ performances, the dynamics of badge and sash counting, runway fashion, and speculate on who deserves to win the season—all delivered in their trademark quick wit and candid banter.
[00:31–04:46]
"At least Brooklyn was top 2. Nicky Doll was like, top 13. No shade." (A, 03:37)
[04:50–07:57]
“They’re counting badges every beat. Like, Girl, please.” (A, 07:07)
“They still ain’t worth no money. You know what I mean?” (B, 07:27)
[08:17–13:12]
"Is that a twist? … That’s part of a roast." (B, 08:31)
“I don’t think this batch of queens are strong enough to deliver good roasts... For the most part, I was right.” (A, 09:37)
“Put someone bad after you, then someone funny last—smart play.” (A+B, 10:52–11:36)
“Why were we at the Pearly Gates? It didn’t make sense.” (A+B, 13:13–13:29)
[13:51–18:09]
“Her roast was not great, great, great.” (B, 16:47)
[19:05–22:43]
"She’s just very basic. Nothing special." (B, 19:25, 19:38)
“They were funny jokes, but they weren’t hers.” (B, 20:12)
[23:31–26:18]
"Boo. Tomatoes." (B, 24:24)
“She was defeated before she went in.” (B, 25:40)
[28:02–30:45]
“She wasn’t bad, but I expected her to nail it.” (A, 29:51)
[31:03–33:17]
[33:22–42:48]
"This Diego Montoya is only $13. That’s crazy. Let me buy it... okay, yeah, I can see why it’s $13." (A, 35:08)
“That is a corset you put some chains on… plastic appliques… a mess.” (B, 40:25)
"Gorgeous. Loved it, loved it, loved it. She looks so good. She’s so pretty to me." (B, 41:52)
“She puts that little flipper in, and her teeth always look so perfect… She keeps it in and talks. She’s turning it.” (A, 42:10, 42:28)
[42:53–52:43]
"They were like, 'Let’s just be nice to the girl today.'" (B, 43:52)
"She threw the writers under the bus." (B, 44:27)
[45:05–52:43]
“I thought it would be Charity Case, Victoria Scone, and Krystal Versace.” (A, 49:49)
"Counting badges every beat they take... Leave the songs talking about the fucking badges, Girl, please." (A, 07:07)
“There’s so much drag, I don’t even know what’s happening, you know?” (A, 03:19)
"Her in the roast, she wasn’t as strong as I thought Kitty was gonna be… she was fine. Ella would definitely, like, light years be better than her." (A, 29:51)
“He was driving a girl. He was like, under the bus. I get it.” (A, 44:32)
“Keisha will whip up a fucking Oscar-worthy gown in like 45 minutes… by showtime, the look is fully done.” (A, 37:12)
Sibling Watchery brings an honest, deeply informed yet irreverent critique of this slow-cooking Drag Race UK season. Key takeaways:
Their banter—sharp, shady, and always affectionate—makes this episode a must for fans of drag discourse, pop culture breakdowns, and anything Ru-related.
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