Sibling Watchery: RuPaul's Drag Race All Stars S8EP10 "The Letter "L"" Review

Summary

Sibling Rivalry – Sibling Watchery: RuPaul's Drag Race All Stars S8EP10 "The Letter 'L'" Review

Release Date: July 12, 2023
Featuring: Manila Luzon & Naomi Smalls

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Episode Overview

In this episode, Manila Luzon and guest co-host Naomi Smalls reunite to deliver a hilarious, intensely candid, and deeply knowledgeable review of RuPaul's Drag Race All Stars Season 8, Episode 10, "The Letter 'L'." As the queens tackle the makeover challenge—transforming lesbians into drag sisters—Manila and Naomi provide insider commentary on the competition, drag aesthetics, queer language, and much more. The duo’s infectious chemistry, unfettered opinions, and iconic sense of drag history make this recap a must-hear for any Drag Race stan.

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Main Themes & Insights

• Reunion of Fan-Favorite Queens: Manila welcomes Naomi back to Sibling Watchery, with mutual admiration for each other’s humor, experience, and podcasting chops (01:19 – 01:47).
• Beyonce Renaissance Tour Rabbit Hole: Manila laments YouTube theories about Ashley Everett’s absence from the Renaissance tour, and Naomi riffs on the tour’s platinum-blonde aesthetic (02:24 – 04:20).
• Drag Race Makeover Challenge Breakdown: Deep dive into the significance, pitfalls, and strategies behind makeover challenges on Drag Race, with both queens drawing from their own experiences.
• Inside Stories & Drag Gossip: Anecdotes about queens’ alliances, club drama, early drag days, and behind-the-scenes friendships.
• Queer Language & Community Debate: Nuanced discussion about the words "dyke" and "faggot"—when, why, and how queer folks reclaim or challenge them (30:16 – 33:09).
• Runway & Challenge Critiques: Detailed, sometimes ruthless, reviews of each queen’s makeover and runway performance.
• Game-Play & Elimination Choices: Manila and Naomi are baffled and frustrated by Candy Muse’s choice not to eliminate frontrunner Jimbo, deeming it “one of the dumbest decisions ever made on Drag Race” (54:09 – 56:54).

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Key Segments & Timestamps

Opening Banter: Podcast Chemistry, Drag Gossip, and Club Memories

• [01:19] – [02:24]: Manila thanks Naomi for joining; mutual appreciation.
• [02:24] – [04:20]: Manila's YouTube spiral about Ashley Everett and the Beyoncé tour’s platinum-blonde demands.

  "That bitch really made all her dancers go platinum blonde or wear a wig." — Naomi Smalls (03:46)

Club Flashbacks & Drag Sisterhood

• [10:03] – [12:22]: Naomi and Manila reminisce about early encounters with Kandy Muse, alliances, and the “velvet rope” world of Drag Race VIPs.

Competition Context & Season Comparisons

• [05:14] – [06:49]: Manila and Naomi marvel that it’s a top-three episode and a makeover at that stage, comparing All Stars formats across seasons.
• [07:21] – [09:35]: Analysis of Jimbo’s “track record” logic and Alexis’s cringy, yet authentic, persona.

Drag Race Makeover Wisdom

• [16:04] – [18:39]: Personal stories of makeover challenge strategies—choosing the right partner, shaving brows, and ensuring “job security.”

  "Honestly, Ricardo was the same for me... He was so, like, shave off the tips of his brows. Shave his beard, like, all that shit." — Naomi Smalls (16:56) "Patty fully shaved my—his eyebrows for me... He shaved them bitches off." — Manila Luzon (17:15)

• [18:39] – [19:56]: Walkthroughs with RuPaul; not much drama, but a tangent on Ru’s iconic presence.

  "It’s just her vibe, her essence. You, like, gag. I’m, like, looking at RuPaul again... you’re just excited to see RuPaul for sure." — Manila Luzon (19:33)

Behind the Panel: Canada’s Drag Race vs. US Version

• [21:34] – [23:32]: Manila on the difference in vibe—Canada is “like a family reunion with some cameras,” with less pressure than the US counterpart.

  "As someone who’s done both… it just feels like… so low pressure, low stakes. It feels… like a family reunion with some cameras and someone wins a trophy at the end." — Manila Luzon (22:07)

Inside Drag Race: Guest Judge Rants

• [20:08] – [20:42]: The queens voice frustration about being forced to feign excitement for unknown guest judges.

  "They will ask you… ‘Can we try that again and please be a little more excited?’" — Manila Luzon (20:12)

The Makeover Challenge: Critiques & Runway Tea

Judges’ Fashion Reads

• [33:34] – [36:43]: Assessment of the judges’ looks, especially RuPaul’s one-sleeve caftan.

  "You know, I feel like I should hate this, but, like, I don't. But, like, I also do." — Naomi Smalls (33:45)

Queen-by-Queen Makeover Analysis

• [37:45] – [39:37]: Jessica Wilde & Kitty Wild

  "Why that little booty with this outfit? I just understand why Jessica brought…the fabrics are just so different." — Manila Luzon (37:49)

• [39:40] – [42:34]: Kandy Muse & Cookie Muse

  "It's cute. It's cute. It's cute, but it's fucking boring." — Naomi Smalls (40:47) "Normally the makeovers' makeup looks amazing and then you look at your makeup…everyone kind of looks the same in drag, but…Candy was like, they'll wait." — Naomi Smalls (39:57) [Strategy talk around selecting/bringing looks for makeovers, e.g., sizing contingencies.]

• [43:43] – [44:52]: Jimbo & Sissy Delicious

  "These looks are fucking terrible. They're really bad. I cannot believe that Jimbo let Sissy talk her into not wearing those vinyl black and white things." — Manila Luzon (43:51)

Trends in Queen Makeover Styles

• [44:10] – [44:52]: "These mall dresses…are from Charlotte Russe. Like, no, no, no." — Manila Luzon

Language & Queer Culture: Reclaiming “Dyke” and “Faggot”

• [30:16] – [33:09]: The queens navigate the tricky terrain of reclaimed slurs, generational community differences, and who “gets to” use what language.

  "Like, I would never say the D word just because I, like, I'm not that. And I know, like, my lesbian friends—I would never say that." — Naomi Smalls (30:40) "I use the word faggot pretty often... it's a lot in my stand up." — Manila Luzon (31:22) "To me, a fag is like a misogynist when it really comes down to it..." — Naomi Smalls (32:49)

Game-Play Analysis: The Elimination Shock

• [54:09] – [56:54]: Manila and Naomi light into Kandy for not sending Jimbo home.

  "Why the fuck would you not send Jimbo home?" — Manila Luzon (54:09) "You weak bitch. You weak, you fucking weak. Weak." — Naomi Smalls (54:09) "Candy just gave Jimbo $200,000 and the crown. Like, she just gave…she is definitely not winning." — Manila Luzon (56:19)

The Fame Game & Fan Fallout

• [55:00] – [56:19]: Addressing the misconception that sending a popular queen home will ruin your career; Naomi insists it never affected her.

  "That whole thing has never affected, like, my actual life. Like, it never. It's loud on Instagram, but in real life and stuff like that. Yeah, who gets up?" — Naomi Smalls (55:27)

Finale Predictions & Classic Drag Race Nostalgia

• [58:28] – [60:44]: Manila and Naomi predict Jimbo as the obvious winner, reflect on the stretched-out nature of finale episodes, and lament the changes in Drag Race format over the years.

  "Jimbo. You know, there are two episodes left." — Naomi Smalls (58:28) "Drag Race will draw a season out of it…the last thing they do, girl." — Manila Luzon (58:48)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On the RuPaul “Wow” Reaction:
  "You're just excited to see RuPaul for sure." — Manila Luzon (19:33)

• On Makeover Partnerships:
  "That's what we call job security." — Manila Luzon (17:22)

• On Drag Race Drag:
  "If I can look at it and be like, 'Oh, yeah, I got to go to the mall and get that.' Like, you're not doing it right." — Naomi Smalls (44:31)

• On Elimination Math:
  "If you're going to be somewhere for six weeks and have your phone taken from you...like, why not win?" — Naomi Smalls (54:35)

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Final Thoughts & Wrap-Up

Manila and Naomi wrap the episode with love for each other and a promise to do a regular Sibling Rivalry episode, so they “don’t have to be bothered by these fucking bum ass bitches sending home their weakest competition” (61:43). The episode closes with a mix of laughter, head-shaking disbelief at Drag Race twists, and strong opinions about what makes for good TV—and good drag.

Ending wisdom:
“Laid your bed, now lie in it. Loser. Loser. Join the club.” — Naomi Smalls (62:01)

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This summary captures all the key beats, hilarious shade, insider stories, and iconic drag wisdom from the podcast episode, formatted for both depth and accessibility. Whether or not you watched the episode, Manila and Naomi’s Sibling Watchery gives you a front-row seat to the legendary world of Drag Race review.

Transcript

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[Naomi Smalls]

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[Manila Luzon]

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[Manila Luzon]

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[Naomi Smalls]

I'm doing great. Thank you so much for having me again, of course.

[Manila Luzon]

Look, like we say every time, the fans love when you're on the podcast because you're so funny and so cuddy and, you know, it is an absolute joy and a pleasure and a gift and a treat to have you up in these podcast streets.

[Naomi Smalls]

Oh, thank you so much. I'm like, honestly, you guys inspire me to want to be a podcast diva one day.

[Manila Luzon]

One day.

[Naomi Smalls]

Always trying to get all the practice I can get.

[Manila Luzon]

If we could do a pod, what would it be about?

[Naomi Smalls]

Looking kind,

[Manila Luzon]

being kind, being cut. Honestly, you should start, like a whole because obviously we all know Naomi is super aesthetic. Like, your aesthetic is always like, you know, a Naomi small thing when you see it, because it's so. Always such. So you. Maybe there's like some type of, like, aesthetic kind of pod to teach people how to be fucking aesthetic and make this shit look good.

[Naomi Smalls]

For sure. And there's definitely, like, just so many details that go into BTS of, like, everything. You know, there's a reason why every decision is made.

[Manila Luzon]

Yeah.

[Naomi Smalls]

Yeah, Maybe one day I went to

[Manila Luzon]

school children, girl, let me tell you so I was so Beyonce Renaissance Store, whatever. We're both. Everyone is a fucking Beyonce fan anyway. I've been so Ashley Everett, who is Beyonce's, like, who is Beyonce's number one dance captain dance for like, 10 years now. She's not on a Renaissance tour. And there's been this whole hoopla as to why she's not on it. Her and Beyonce are fighting, blah, blah. So I was in this, like, YouTube hole last night, like, watching all these videos, and I was so annoyed because these fucking YouTubers, what they do is they think you're gonna watch a video that's gonna give you the answers. I watched about 13 videos for, like, two hours. I still have no more information than I had going in as to why Ashley's not in the fucking tour. So if anyone knows, please comment below what you think the reason is.

[Naomi Smalls]

What were the videos about that you ended up watching where they just like,

[Manila Luzon]

yeah, they're like, ashley Everett is not on Beyonce's story. Here's why. And what they do is they just, like, tell you, like, the facts that we all know that Ashley's not on the tour. No one knows why, and we're gonna find out. It's like, they. It's so, like, crazy how they catch you. They, like, fucking catch you, and you think you're gonna have answers, and no one has the fucking answer. I personally think that. I think that Beyonce wanted everyone to audition and dance again. And Ashley was like, nah, girl. I've been here for, like, mad long. I'm good. And I think it was, like, cool. I don't think it's anything shady.

[Naomi Smalls]

Or maybe they were like. Maybe she said no when she found out they all had to be blonde. That bitch really made all her dancers go platinum blonde or wear wig.

[Manila Luzon]

Yeah, they are all. They are all platinum.

[Naomi Smalls]

I was like, you better bitch peroxide on all of them.

[Manila Luzon]

But why, though? I don't understand aesthetically why that's a thing.

[Naomi Smalls]

I think it looks good. I think it looks really good on

[Manila Luzon]

stage for some people, some of the dancers. So one of them has this, like, blunt platinum bob. I'd be looking at girls. She was looking crazy in all the TikTok videos. But it's Beyonce, so whatever.

[Naomi Smalls]

Honey got pulled from hbo. Let her breathe.

[Manila Luzon]

She's like the breakout star of the tour, though. She's like the breakout star.

[Naomi Smalls]

A bouncy little. I don't know if I can say it. I don't know what they're. What they go by. But I was going to say bouncy

[Manila Luzon]

little faggot, I think. I think they go by faggot. But anyway, we're getting into. Honestly, Jacob, we say this every time. Naomi and I need to do a regular rivalry episode. There's so much to talk about, but we have to talk about fucking.

[Naomi Smalls]

Absolutely. Make that happen.

[Manila Luzon]

Yes, we need to do that.

[Naomi Smalls]

We just never have fought. I actually can't imagine us fighting.

[Manila Luzon]

I can't even really. I can't even. When we were on tv, paid to give drama, we just. We were never the fighting girls. We were always on the same side.

[Naomi Smalls]

Well, I mean, with all the other clowns there, they were easy to fight with. Why would you go for another dollar?

[Manila Luzon]

Speaking of clouds, we are on episode 10 of RuPaul's Drag Race All Stars 8, and we're down to the wire, girl. It is the top three episode, and I'm surprised that we're going into a top three and still, like, a full. I thought it was going to be like, the. Write a verse to a song. Perform, perform, perform. Like, when I'm gagged. We're in, like, a. Still, like a battle.

[Naomi Smalls]

I know. And it's a makeover, which is even crazier. Normally there's, like, more girls there at this point.

[Manila Luzon]

Yeah, yeah. When we on All Stars, on All Stars 4, it was like six of us. It was Naomi, Monet, Monique Manila, Latrice. It was five of us, I think. Yeah, I think. Yeah. So we're at the top of the episode, and Jimbo comes running into the workroom because she finally won a lip sync girl. Jimbo is the most losing s queen in lip syncs in Drag Race history, and she finally won one.

[Naomi Smalls]

Crazy. She really busted out her, like, her go to, like, she was like, I need to win. But also, like, it was very smart because that song was, like, kind of, like, kooky.

[Manila Luzon]

Yeah.

[Naomi Smalls]

Even though, you know it's throwback, it's still, like, it's a really tough song to perform.

[Manila Luzon]

Yeah.

[Naomi Smalls]

And, like, cell Goddess, too. So it was, like, really good to have, like, a character for it.

[Manila Luzon]

Yeah. I mean, last week I was a little salty. I'm like, like, I get it, it's funny. But I'm also and also in All Stars gives you more room to reference yourself. We know that because you're already on the show. You're refere. But I was a little like, all right, you already referenced Joan Rivers. Now you come with a lip sync, something you did before. Like, I was a little salty about it, but whatever she won, it didn't

[Naomi Smalls]

help that it was, like, in the same episode within 10 minutes from, like.

[Manila Luzon]

Right, right. I also hate that baloney out, like, that her this baloney look, it makes me so uncomfortable with the fucking belly thing and the fucking low ass butt thing. I feel uncomfortable looking at it.

[Naomi Smalls]

I wonder how many versions she's had made of that because there's no way in how, like, one can remain smelling somewhat bearable. Like, I'm sure. I'm surprised that airport doesn't throw out the suitcase, to be honest.

[Manila Luzon]

So Jimbo says that the reason that she chose Alexis was because she was going by track record. And then she sneaks in, she was like. Because, you know, I hope that we all keep. We keep to the track record thing. I think she's, like, telegraphing what she think might happen this episode. And I think it's smart to play her cards that way. So the girls think that way too.

[Naomi Smalls]

You think, Wait, who did you say? Alexis?

[Manila Luzon]

No, the. Jimbo. She comes back, she's like, yeah, I chose Alexis because I was going by track record. So I think we should all do that going forward.

[Naomi Smalls]

Yeah. She's trying to cover her ass. Yeah. I really thought Alexis could have made it all the way.

[Manila Luzon]

I know, I know. I really feel bad for her because I really did think she did. Like, she was very cringy, but I.

[Naomi Smalls]

Cringy in, like, unapologetically cringe.

[Manila Luzon]

Yes, that part.

[Naomi Smalls]

Yeah, that's where it's okay. Like, it's like, you're not. It's not like a. Coming from, like a desperate, like, place in you or something. And she was just like. Like, Bob said it best. She's like an awkward person.

[Manila Luzon]

She really is awkward. And like, girl, I've known Alexis in New York, Alex. This Alexis is not putting off a camera. People, like, she's acting. She's crying on crew on cue. That is how Alexis is. Like, in real life. She's not putting on, like, I swear.

[Naomi Smalls]

But she's so good at drag. Like, when. When it's good. It's so good. Promos.

[Manila Luzon]

Oh, yeah. The season nine one, the yellow thing, that. That was. That was a Diego Montoya, right? I think so. It's a Diego.

[Naomi Smalls]

The girls who go Diego for promo,

[Manila Luzon]

the bitches that have coin to spend on a look girl.

[Naomi Smalls]

Not even so much going, like, specifically Diego, but, like, the girls who really invest in the promo shot.

[Manila Luzon]

Yeah.

[Naomi Smalls]

That's something that I think all the girls going forward should definitely.

[Manila Luzon]

Yeah, I agree. Because, like, at the top of the season, like, when the promos come out, that's what people are already choosing, who's going to be. Who's going to be the cap, their fashion queen. But, like, they're like, the fans be starting from the fucking promo. That's when the race really starts, not when the episodes start. The promo bitch.

[Naomi Smalls]

And that shit's gonna Follow you for the rest of your life.

[Manila Luzon]

So they're all talking. And Candy. Candy does this thing a lot. She just gives up information, so she tells everyone that her and Alexis were in an alliance. And Jimbo's like, like, why are you offering up fucking information that no one asked you for? Just for some camera time?

[Naomi Smalls]

That big mouth.

[Manila Luzon]

The big mouth girl.

[Naomi Smalls]

Fucking mouth, man. Yeah. It's so unnecessary. Like, it just makes you look wishy washy. Like, it makes you look wishy washy the viewer. It also makes you look wishy washy to your competitors.

[Manila Luzon]

Yeah. Have. Have you. Have you worked? Because mom wouldn't know about it. Do you remember that time when we were in Miami after work the World? We. I decided to go out in drag at my wig. It was the. Was it. It was the last show in Miami. And then we.

[Naomi Smalls]

The.

[Manila Luzon]

Candy was not on Drag Race yet. And then she came out to, like, she happened to be in Miami as well. I was like, okay, girl.

[Naomi Smalls]

She was.

[Manila Luzon]

She was. She was working the world before she was on Drag Race. Good for her. And then. But, like, so all of the Drag Race girls were in vip, and Kandy was, like, kind of chilling outside the vip, and it was just, like, a little awkward. I just remember that moment very, very vividly.

[Naomi Smalls]

No, it was. It was Violet on my left, me, Plastique on my right, and then you sitting right next to Plastique on the right side, and there was velvet ropes. Like, all the people who worked the world on one side of the velvet ropes, and she. And on the other side, and in unison, we all, like, Violet, me, you, Plastique, all look over, and then literally all slowly look the other way. And I remember. I think that's actually the last time I've seen Candy. It was like we had, like, some weird happen beforehand.

[Manila Luzon]

Oh, you and Candy?

[Naomi Smalls]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Because I've known. I've known her. She used to go to Chicago all the time with, like, Aja.

[Manila Luzon]

Got it.

[Naomi Smalls]

Yeah. We had some weird happen, and, like, that was the last time I saw her, and that's why I reacted that way. But I'm going to be on board the world with her in, like, two weeks, three weeks. So.

[Manila Luzon]

Oh, are y' all really. Oh, y' all are touring together at the same time. Word.

[Naomi Smalls]

I'm excited to have, like, a redo because we've never worked together.

[Manila Luzon]

Yeah. Cause Candy is sweet. We did a gig together in Brooklyn during the Pandemic. It was like, Frankie Sharp had a party in Brooklyn, and Kandy was also there. I was there, and we did that together. And so Kandy and I are cool. Like, we get along, but we never done a gig together ever. We never, like, worked together, only little casual meetups. So.

[Naomi Smalls]

Yes, please mute this.

[Manila Luzon]

Yes.

[Naomi Smalls]

Or beep it or whatever.

[Manila Luzon]

If you want just to double check, do this and then say the word so they can't read your lips.

[Naomi Smalls]

Actually, I don't really give a fuck. Okay. When, like, the house of Ajah came on the scene back in the day, I remember she was like, yeah, those are like the garbage peel kids. Yeah, those are the garbage kids of New York. Like, so rude.

[Manila Luzon]

Well, to be fair, Aja's like. Because when Aja first came out, her name was Aja Injection, and her whole thing was she would get, like, syringes, like needles and put them on her fingertips, and that was, like, her thing. So they kind of had this, like, Brooklyn y. Like, grungy aesthetic. Like, yeah, like, that was like. And, you know, so all of her drag sisters and the drag kids, they were kind of all in that umbrella. Like, there was this queen called Momo. Yeah, it was like she was like Freddy Krueger or something. But then it obviously morphed and changed. But, like, at the beginning, it was. It was very much giving.

[Naomi Smalls]

That I love.

[Manila Luzon]

So RuPaul. Wait, no, no. Oh, yes. So they're doing this mini challenge. It's like the second mini challenge we've seen all season long, and they're doing Gaultier. Let me tell you something. I have seen Gaultier, their PR team. They are spending money. Every queen I have seen, they have posted a Gaultier at the party, at the fashion show. Now they're on Drag Race. Gaultier is spending money to let us know that the brand is still alive.

[Naomi Smalls]

Well, if they're getting drag queens, are they spending money?

[Manila Luzon]

Facts.

[Naomi Smalls]

But a very popular audience.

[Manila Luzon]

Did you see that picture of Violet? No. That was Schiaparelli.

[Naomi Smalls]

Oh, she looks so good. With a little, like. Yes.

[Manila Luzon]

Oh, she looked divine.

[Naomi Smalls]

I loved watching the show because she's just, like, on the end, like, but she's, like, in the. In the frame of, like, the main Runway. And she looks so good work.

[Manila Luzon]

Yeah. If I look so I saw that, I was like, wow, she looks really good. Violet.

[Naomi Smalls]

Bit of work. I've never been jealous of someone's foot architect in my life. Always does that to me.

[Manila Luzon]

A good foot arch makes a pump look so much better. It, like, takes it to the next level. Just having that, like. Oh, yeah, but my feet are flat. I have nothing, girl. Nothing.

[Naomi Smalls]

I mean, I have awful shoes. I mean, I have awful feet, but I crammed them into really gorgeous.

[Manila Luzon]

Oh, my God, bitch. We saw Naomi Plastique and I, we went to this Louboutin, have this, a sample sale. Plastique posted, like, all her shoes and shit, and she was talking about it on TikTok. And let me tell y' all something. We. It was like. It is like the fucking, like, World War Z up in there, girl. Like, people are. It is like. It's crazy. I can't even describe it. Like, they have a sample set, and they have all these shoes. They have all these shoes that you can buy. And I can never buy women's shoes because they just don't make my size. I'm a. I'm a. I'm a 45. Well, no, I'm 44. Open till 43. But they just never had. They. They only go up to, like, 42. So I look through the men's stuff. Even the men's stuff was shitty this year. I could. I didn't get a damn thing. I was very sad.

[Naomi Smalls]

I know I didn't walk away with anything because I think that other Drag Race alumni were, like, hunting down those 42, waiting for the sale to open. I get it. But damn, girl.

[Manila Luzon]

So Nay, it's a. It's a makeover challenge, and they're making over lesbians this season.

[Naomi Smalls]

I know. Oh, my gosh. So crazy. I'm so happy that I'm here for a makeover. I actually feel like I can, like, I have some street cred to, like, talking shit about people's makeovers.

[Manila Luzon]

Well, my first one is lesbians. I was like, number one. Naomi and Natasha, y' all would shut this. Y' all would shut it down.

[Naomi Smalls]

It would be game over.

[Manila Luzon]

It would be a rap, girl. It would be a wrap. If you and Natasha did the makeover challenge, girl, it would be everything.

[Naomi Smalls]

She'd be getting me and dragged, like, getting me on drag.

[Manila Luzon]

Honestly, when we did Hours of All Stars 4, I was so grateful I got Patty because some of my other friends, they were asking when we got done filming, they were like, oh. They reached out to me, but it didn't work out. I was like, oh, thank God it wasn't you. But Patty. Patty can still. Patti can dance. All the things that I needed to help succeed in the challenge, Patti provided

[Naomi Smalls]

for me for sure. I mean, honestly, Ricardo was the same for me. Like, he's. He has been there since I started drag when I was, like, 18, and he's seen all the crazy shit I do to myself. So he was like, somewhat familiar what he had to do. Yeah, he was so, like, shave off the tips of his brows. Shave his beard, like, all that shit.

[Manila Luzon]

Patty fully shaved my. His eyebrows for me. I were like, girl, he shaved them bitches off.

[Naomi Smalls]

That's what we call job security.

[Manila Luzon]

You damn right. You damn right. Yeah, that's. He knew. He knew what the fuck he was doing. So Jessica gets Lisa, Jimbo gets Amanda, and Candy gets the self proclaimed masculine butch dyke, Angie. And I think Angie's hot for number one. I was like, Angie, if I was at the club and I was a lesbian, Angie is definitely who I. I would be going after for sure.

[Naomi Smalls]

It's so crazy because Angie was. I mean, yeah, Angie wasn't the one that I thought would get glammed up the best, but I think she actually really is gorgeous.

[Manila Luzon]

Like, yeah, she's gorgeous also in, like, these types of challenges, like, no shade, like, if you have someone like Angie's storyline and Angie's whole thing will. Will yield a better result in the makeover challenge because she is like, oh, I'm like, super butch. I don't like doing this stuff. So when you, like, bitch, if you put just a little glitter on, the judges are like, oh, my God, look at you. You transformed. And Candy did do a great job not taking away from Candy, but having that extra stuff in the storyline is. Helps you out for this kind of challenge.

[Naomi Smalls]

Absolutely. Everyone loves transformation. Like, if it's gonna be a transformation, make it like, as crazy as possible.

[Manila Luzon]

Yeah, yeah. And then they do like little walkthroughs with Rue. They don't. We don't really get anything. Nothing, Nothing stuck out there. To me. I was like, okay.

[Naomi Smalls]

Oh, my God. Rouge shoes is what stuck out to me. She was wearing, like the Balenciaga, like, footed. It's almost like a scuba suit. But it has like this like, little, like, heel. It's like a, like a three inch heel.

[Manila Luzon]

Huh. I didn't even notice.

[Naomi Smalls]

It's like, it's like for the girls who want to, like, walk in grass and not get their heels stuck in the grass.

[Manila Luzon]

Oh, let me tell you something. My feet get stuck in pavement. I have some. I have some big ass feet, girl. My shoes will go through concrete. I will say, oh, this is the thing. So obviously when Rue comes in and everyone's always like, wow. It happens every season, every episode, and someone commented like, oh, why do the queens are so fake about? It's not. You're not like, you're not like, particularly like Enamored by his alpha. Whatever. It's just like, you have to understand, it's still RuPaul motherfucking Charles and RuPaul Charles. Like, it's. It's just her vibe, her essence. You, like, gag. I'm, like, looking at RuPaul again, it's not like you gagging for his look. You're just excited to see RuPaul for sure.

[Naomi Smalls]

I feel like that is, like, if the girls turned around and we're just like, oh, hey, imagine.

[Manila Luzon]

Imagine on his show, like, hey, so you're about to.

[Naomi Smalls]

Okay, what about when they announce a guest judge and you have no idea who it is?

[Manila Luzon]

Oh, that they. They will ask you to, like, okay, guys, can we try that again and please be a little more excited? Absolutely.

[Naomi Smalls]

I feel like that's on them

[Manila Luzon]

right

[Naomi Smalls]

about the guest judge. Then book the ones that, you know, like, we either are, like, we reference as drag queens or they're, like, in our culture.

[Manila Luzon]

Yeah.

[Naomi Smalls]

I do have to say, like, the girls who come up and they're just like, they have, you know, they've never been to a drag show in their damn life. I'm just like, why are you here?

[Manila Luzon]

Oh, they never watched the show. They, like, their PR person just booked them on this and they're here. That shit is. Yes. I hate that. And of course, we're getting paid to be there, so we're like, woo, we'll do the thing. But yeah, bitch, give us better, better guest judges to be excited about.

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[Naomi Smalls]

I mean, so fierce that you got to sit behind the panel.

[Manila Luzon]

I know. That was very exciting. It was very exciting. It was very cute. And I will say, like, it was. Well, Brooklyn is. And some of the girls even posting about this too. I saw this on Twitter, like, Kendall Gender. One of them was saying, like, Brooke Lynn Hytes is, like, so sweet and she's so kind to us, and just the whole vibe of Canada's Drag Race. As someone who's done both, I'VE been on. It's a vibe with just so like, everyone, the producers, everyone is just super, super nice in Canada's Drag Race. I don't know if it's like just a Canadian vibe or whatever it is, but it just feels like so low pressure, low stakes. Everyone is just mad nice over there. I was like, wow, this does feel like just a family reunion with some cameras and someone wins a trophy at the end. It feels. It's very different in American Drag Race.

[Naomi Smalls]

I think I would rather though, like be rue and have everyone like be so, like nervous to make a mistake that, like the day just like, you know, things are just like thought of before you even have the thought. Like, I'd rather have that. Oh, for sure, for sure. 65 year old man in a wig, sweating my balls off.

[Manila Luzon]

Well, you know, I was saying like on season 10 when we did the reunion, I think I said this orange podcast before, but we're, we were doing a reunion. We're sitting in the Orpheum and like, so all the girls were sitting, sitting in place before Ru got there, obviously, because we're waiting on him. He's not waiting on us. So RuPaul finally comes out, out of drag and he's sitting there in the middle and we're all sitting there and like, we're sitting there, like, waiting to start. Like, everyone's getting. Because you're in drag, you're like a little hot, you're a little fidgety. And they had to shut the air sea off for whatever reason. So they're still going. They're still going. And RuPaul, just after like seven minutes, he's like, Listen, you have these fucking 12, 12 bitches sitting here in fucking Dragon is hot. You guys are screwing around with fucking lights and do this. Let's get this shit going. Get these girls out of drag. Like, it love that.

[Naomi Smalls]

I love that because he gets it. Like, that's like, I wish that Rude did talk more, you know, like on the panel. Just because that's really the only person as a drag queen that's like standing there. I want to hear from Word, but whatever if like, yeah, I'm sure on Canada's Drag Race that the air was out. Oh, no, it's okay.

[Manila Luzon]

The Canadian accent. Well, you know, Bob has a theory that Raven, like, when RuPaul retires, that Raven is going to take over. Do you think that's true?

[Naomi Smalls]

I wish. I love Raven. I mean, bitch. That's my. That's my. Oh, g. Like, I wish I would. I think it would be amazing. She's, like, so good at, like, I watch painted, you know. Painted.

[Manila Luzon]

Yeah, painted. Yeah, painted by Raven. Yeah.

[Naomi Smalls]

And she's, like, so good at, like, delivering like, the one liners in the same way that, like, they feed them to Rue and everything. Like, she's just also. I think she's seen so much drag.

[Manila Luzon]

Yeah.

[Naomi Smalls]

She's a staple.

[Manila Luzon]

She was doing drag for over, like, 20 years now. Right. Because she was on Top Model in drag.

[Naomi Smalls]

Yeah. So it's like, I think the people who would be fierce to, like, take over would be Raven, Bob Monet. I could see. I could see Alaska, but I don't think they like Alaska.

[Manila Luzon]

Like, yeah, bitch. They do not fuck with bitch. When they did all the All Stars winners and they. They didn't include her and Chad and the thing, I was like, damn.

[Naomi Smalls]

They really don't.

[Manila Luzon]

I don't know.

[Naomi Smalls]

She's like, also, like, such a fan.

[Manila Luzon]

She's such a fan. She loves the show. Right?

[Naomi Smalls]

It's.

[Manila Luzon]

Yeah, they don't with Alaska. They don't with Alaska, girl. I don't know. Yikes. Anyway, so sorry, we are. We are all on all the tangents, so. Oh, yeah, Anando.

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[Manila Luzon]

Oh, and I wrote this down when Ananda was talking to Rue and Rue was like, Rue asked her about when was the last time she got all dolled up, and she's like, well, I got dolled up today. I was like, cold. I know the fuck you way. Also, who was this?

[Naomi Smalls]

The one that Jimbo got.

[Manila Luzon]

Yeah. Jimbo's girl. Yeah. And I mean, just looking at all three, like, I think Candy has the best paint, so I just think Candy's going to do the best job. Like, I don't see. No. And that's not saying Jessica and Jimbo paint bad, but Candy is the one. Well, what I like in drag makeup, Candy is the one I feel is, like, will do a good job.

[Naomi Smalls]

Yeah, no, her makeup has come like a long, long.

[Manila Luzon]

Yeah.

[Naomi Smalls]

Also Jimbo has, like, stepped it up. Like her baking and like, especially when you just look at, like, in comparison to Canada's Drag Race season one.

[Manila Luzon]

Oh, my God, it was so bad. Yes. Season one, it, like, God awful.

[Naomi Smalls]

Like, the budget went to the costumes, the injection, the product. Yeah, Yeah.

[Manila Luzon]

I also feel like in like a challenge like this, like, like, just because you can, like, paint your skin to something to think about. Candy, just because you can paint yourself well doesn't mean you can paint other people good. Like, right. Like, that's. I think that's like you and me like, you can paint well, and you paint other people well. I can paint well. I do not paint other people well in drag. Like, you made Bob look beautiful, bitch. You can paint people, and I. I'm just not good at it.

[Naomi Smalls]

Oh. I mean, it's pretty much just doing the exact same steps that you would do on yourself. Just, like, adjusting to someone's skeleton pretty much.

[Manila Luzon]

You know, I can't. I just. I just. And I try different things. I just. I'm just not good at it.

[Naomi Smalls]

My God, I want to redo with

[Manila Luzon]

Bob and put those fucking contacts in his eyes.

[Naomi Smalls]

It will change her life.

[Manila Luzon]

It will be so. I wouldn't even recognize him if Bob has some desi. Oh, delicious honeys, girl.

[Naomi Smalls]

It could be even, like, kind of like that. Like, more like, really eagle, like, look, like, where it's almost like there's not really a contact in there. Just anything. It will, like, lighten up his face. Oh, gosh.

[Manila Luzon]

And. Oh, someone sent this to me. So Jimbo's girl, Ananda, like, the storyline we were getting was, like, she was like, she didn't want to do that look with Jimbo, and whatever, Whatever, whatever. She's like, let me read the tweet. She tweeted like, she's like one of these bitches for season 15. She tweeted, Wait. I was feeling kind of mad that the show gave me the scared diva edit, but I actually love these screens. Think she meant queens. I'm hilarious. And so is Jimbo, who was incredibly kind and took amazing care of me, and we laughed nonstop, which is what you aren't seeing, I'll say. Damn.

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[Manila Luzon]

Not the makeover people trying to come for production, too.

[Naomi Smalls]

You know what? They would be the person I would not want 1,000%. And I think it was, like, really early on, I realized that because, like, they were, like, dogging all of Jimbo's ideas. And I feel like Jimbo, knowing Jimbo, like, and how serious she's taken this season, like, she probably had, like, a set idea what she really wanted to do.

[Manila Luzon]

Yeah.

[Naomi Smalls]

And, like, the thing about the makeover is, who gives a. What you feel like I'm here to win, like, the crown. Like, I am here to impress the judges. Like, it doesn't matter if you feel great. You think I feel great? Like, I'm in a corset tuck. This wig is sliding off. Like, bitch, I hate, like, how they are even allowed to. I mean, whatever.

[Manila Luzon]

Well, I'm kind of glad that she did, because Jimbo, what it looked like what she was trying on it looked like Jimbo's all Canada's Drag Race, that black clown Mickey Mouse entrance look thing. So if that was the case, Jimbo would have been like a third thing of Jimbo referencing something from drag she's already done. So I'm kind of glad it didn't happen. I was like, we've seen it already.

[Naomi Smalls]

But also rather seen that though, than like some stone mall dress.

[Manila Luzon]

Yeah.

[Naomi Smalls]

On the scenes. Like, I hate that.

[Manila Luzon]

Yeah. I was just about to say, well, what you end up wearing was not. We're gonna talk about it. But it was. That girl bullied her anyway. Yeah, we'll get there. So wait, I think I love these skinny. Oh. Oh, yeah. We can get into the looks if you, if you have. If you have any of the stuff I want to talk about.

[Naomi Smalls]

Ooh, what did they talk about when they were getting read?

[Manila Luzon]

Oh, the lesbian. Okay, the lesbian. The faggot dyke thing.

[Naomi Smalls]

Yes.

[Manila Luzon]

So I. I mean, in my friend's circles and growing up in New York, like, I always said dyke and lesbians and say faggot. I didn't realize it was such a contentious, this topic in the community. I didn't realize that that was a thing.

[Naomi Smalls]

Should I not be saying, like, I do know. I mean, I feel like I would never say the D word just because I, like, I'm not that. And I know, like, my lesbian friends. I would never say that. Like, I would just never say that. I don't think that they would even have an opinion, but I just know I would never say that. But there are people still today, like, who are gay men that don't enjoy.

[Manila Luzon]

Yeah.

[Naomi Smalls]

Like, they don't want to hear it. They don't want other people to use it. Like, I don't know, I just kind of feel like it's like it comes back to, like, your experience and your, like, street cred that, like, I'm allowed to say whatever the I want to say because I lived through it.

[Manila Luzon]

Yeah. I mean, I use the word faggot pretty often. It's a lot in my stand up. Like, I talk, I say the word faggot a lot. And I mean, I've never, like, went to a woman and been like, a lesbian. Like, you fucking dyke. Like, not that, but like, if someone, like, refers to themselves. If I haven't heard my lesbian friend refer to themself as that, then I guess I would use it. But I've never, like, been like, oh, this dyke. Like, that's never been a thing I've done. But I think we learned A lot, because I think there are probably a lot of people like me watching. Were like, oh, I didn't realize that was such, like, a contentious thing. So good to know.

[Naomi Smalls]

The more, you know, Candy was not sugarcoating it at all.

[Manila Luzon]

She was like, it makes sense, because

[Naomi Smalls]

her mom, you know, but she's like, I don't really Like, I'm. I'm using it.

[Manila Luzon]

She was like, because my mom's a dyke, and, you know, you are the dykes that are in the room. I know that you guys are offended by the word dyke. So, like, I say dyke all the time, so let's dyke it up. And I was like, jesus, Candy, not every. Not every. In every sentence.

[Naomi Smalls]

I definitely use faggot, though, in, like, more than one. Like, I feel like. Like, there's more meanings for me. Like, it can be an insult, because some people are just. And then Liz, like, I, like, I'm like, oh, I'm a fag. Yeah, I'm a fan. You're a fag. Like, it's more casual, but, like, some people are just, like, they. They don't give you any excuse. And there's straight people who can be faggots, too.

[Manila Luzon]

Oh, for sure. Absolutely.

[Naomi Smalls]

I mean, to me, a fag is like a misogynist when it. Like, when it really comes down to it. But, like, a faggot. A fucking faggot is a misogynist. A smarmy brown noser. Hidden agenda kiss out. Fucking faggot.

[Manila Luzon]

Is giving it to the bag live. I felt that in my spirit, because,

[Naomi Smalls]

you know, 10 off the top of your head, you know, more wigs.

[Manila Luzon]

Let's get into these lurks, girl.

[Naomi Smalls]

Let's do it.

[Manila Luzon]

Okay, so the judges. RuPaul in this one sleeve caftan.

[Naomi Smalls]

You know, I feel like I should hate this, but, like, I don't. But, like, I also do.

[Manila Luzon]

Yeah, I appreciate that she was in full body underneath, because she is, like,

[Naomi Smalls]

she's fully be known.

[Manila Luzon]

Yeah. Because she walked. She walked on that Runway with the arm showing the pose. Let it be nuts. I can appreciate that. But I don't know. I don't think I like this. The flowers. I think the flowers bothered me.

[Naomi Smalls]

I feel like if. Because I think actually the accessories are bomb. Like, like, stingray metal earrings, these huge cuffs. But, like, I feel like it needed, like, if we're gonna go with the flower situation, it has to have, like, a flower and then maybe like, some printed on the fabric flowers and then kind of like, fade into, like, more of a. But, like, just this one flower with Like a different texture and then it has like this, like, sea of just. I mean, it's steamed. You cannot clock a wrinkle that part. So kudos for that. But I just hate the, like, all solid. Yeah. Situation.

[Manila Luzon]

Yeah, I think I. I didn't even think about that. But, like, put like a printed flower on there to kind of play with that texture and a dimension. That would have been.

[Naomi Smalls]

Looked really cool just to like, here.

[Manila Luzon]

That would have been cool.

[Naomi Smalls]

See Michelle. Michelle looks like she is a diabetic with treating. She's treating her diabetic diabetes with a very popular drug of choice. The vibe I'm getting, she looks fantastic.

[Manila Luzon]

She looks amazing. Michelle looks amazing. I like this pinstripe. We don't see pinstripe a lot. And they soon have been. They zoomed in on Zoe deschanel. Baby, whatever. Dr. Zoe is going to her face. She looks so good. I even recognized that it was Joey Deschanel. I was like, is it?

[Naomi Smalls]

She looks amazing. I'm having the same reaction of when I saw Cameron Diaz when she was on the panel.

[Manila Luzon]

Yeah, all side seven. Yeah.

[Naomi Smalls]

She's the first judge like, like, just like frozen in time.

[Manila Luzon]

Yeah. She had an Asia Day. Zoe is always good. Zoe's getting very good work. I mean, she's married to. Or she's dating one of them property brothers, which again, she has her own money. Zoe Deschanel, like, has. Is a gajillionaire. And now her boyfriend, her husband is a kajillionaire too. So I'm sure to Getting stem cells and placentas and shit. Pop injection in her face.

[Naomi Smalls]

She looks great. Delicious. Property brothers are hot. It's probably what the Property brothers are hot.

[Manila Luzon]

They are so hot. I used to be obsessed with them. When I was like, I would watch. I would have. Because my. My grandma used to watch HGTV all the time. She used to watch their show. And I was obsessed with. Obsessed with the Property brothers.

[Naomi Smalls]

Which one's hotter?

[Manila Luzon]

The one that's the. The one that's the. The. The realtor one. Not the builder one. The realtor one. I don't know his name.

[Naomi Smalls]

Like, a little more cleaned up.

[Manila Luzon]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I like. I like it a little more. And Carson looks good. Carson. Carson always looks good, though. I love Carson.

[Naomi Smalls]

Me too. I mean, another O G, you know?

[Manila Luzon]

Yes, yes, I. I did. I was in Sydney Friday, Mardi Gras on World Pride this year in February, and Carson was there. And we, me. Me and him hung out, like, at the. At this little, like, after party, like one of the next days, I just. Carson just always a good time. He's always sweet, always genuine. Love, Carson.

[Naomi Smalls]

Love.

[Manila Luzon]

Yeah. All right, let's go into the first looks. You have Jessica Wilde and Kitty Wild.

[Naomi Smalls]

Yeah.

[Manila Luzon]

I don't understand why Kitty Wild has these, like, stirrup black things at the bottom. And I, I, I just also, why that shoe? Like, I know for a fact they provide you with, like, a. It's probably because she couldn't walk in something cuntier. But they have, like, they give you a wall of shoes to choose from. And I was like, why that little booty with this outfit? I just understand why Jessica brought the. The fabrics are just so different. I don't understand why she brought something that was so drastically different when they always.

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[Naomi Smalls]

Seeing this glue, her makeover's wig on gave me, like. I don't want to say anxiety. It just gave me, like, phantom pain. She like the way that she, like, laid down the glue.

[Manila Luzon]

Oh, I saw when she was, like, doing that. The thing. Oh, yes, yes. Like, she.

[Naomi Smalls]

But she did.

[Manila Luzon]

She, like. She was one of them on.

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[Manila Luzon]

On Instagram. Putting down there. Put it on there with some bow holes. I was like, what?

[Naomi Smalls]

So crazy. Like, what do you. We're not. We're not, like, going on a roller coaster. It's okay.

[Manila Luzon]

Yeah, you're right. I forgot. Yeah. I was like, this is a lot of glue.

[Naomi Smalls]

It's a lot of glue. I don't. I mean, this, the shoe. I think she was being nice, but this is where I go back to it. Like, they signed up to be on television. Do not let them, like, convince you into switching your idea or putting on an ugly, nasty shoe. Just a matte, like.

[Manila Luzon]

Yeah.

[Naomi Smalls]

Lace up with, like, the squatty heel. No.

[Manila Luzon]

Yeah, Yeah, I. Yeah, I agree. I think that Jessica. It was also a mixed opportunity with the fabrics for the office. It could have been closer together. And, yeah, the shoes, me up and that little panty black thing. Like, why. Ew.

[Naomi Smalls]

Yeah. I don't get that.

[Manila Luzon]

Let's go on to Candy Muse and Cookie Muses. I think the names actually are very cute, and I think she looks. I think this looks really good. Cookie looks so good.

[Naomi Smalls]

Yeah, no, she looks amazing. She, like, really turned her makeup out.

[Manila Luzon]

Yes, yes, she really did.

[Naomi Smalls]

Andy turned her makeup out, too, which I feel like the thing that we see on makeovers a lot is your makeover looks like. Well, I think this is kind of how it should be, just because we can't paint ourselves so fast. But, like, normally the makeovers makeup looks amazing and Then you look at your makeup, and you. I mean, everyone kind of looks the same in drag, but, like, if you're, like, really detailed.

[Manila Luzon]

Yeah.

[Naomi Smalls]

Like, we're, you know, cut corners, but, like, damn. Candy was like, they'll wait. Yeah.

[Manila Luzon]

Kendall looks really good. And I think going with this. With these looks was very smart. Michelle said that the fit on Cookies was weird, but I just thought it was supposed to be, like, an A line mod dress. I didn't. I didn't see that it was. The fit was so off. I thought that was the design, but maybe it was. I don't know. But I think they look really good.

[Naomi Smalls]

Okay. It's cute. It's cute. It's cute. It's cute, but it's fucking boring.

[Manila Luzon]

It is boring.

[Naomi Smalls]

It's boring. Like, you came prepared. And I think that's, like, something I actually really dislike about makeovers these days is they let you bring a look. So your idea is so limited. Like, you don't really have to think. You don't have to, like, come up with something or, like, think on your toes, you know?

[Manila Luzon]

Oh, yeah. On season. On your original season, y' all had to make them for the little women of. Of la.

[Naomi Smalls]

Yeah. You had to, like, make it from scratch. And then on All Stars, we got. By that time, we got to bring. Yeah. Even then, I didn't end up using one that I brought because I, like, it was just so boring. Like, it was so boring in comparison to, like, what I thought I could possibly do. Another idea. How do the queens do it? Do you bring, like, multiple sizes of the same look, or do you just bring a look, I guess, that kind of, like, candies that can. You can put onto anybody and it will probably fit.

[Manila Luzon]

Yeah. I brought. I brought two. So I brought. When I. I brought the gold matching tuxedo thingies, and I also brought, like, a gold, like, skirted pepa lebasia thing. And the. The skirted one was gonna be for hats if I had a bigger person. And then this. The one that Patty I'm wearing was if I had a small person. So I brought, like, two. Two different ones for different sizes.

[Naomi Smalls]

Yeah, I brought, like, a look that I. I look. I pretty much based a look off of a look that I already had. So I wanted to be, like, in the same collection kind of thing.

[Manila Luzon]

Got it.

[Naomi Smalls]

Instead of, like, kind of like a mimic, but it's just not. It's. It's. I mean, it's a great makeover. She looks amazing. Like, big hair go off. Everyone looks good in big Hair, you know.

[Manila Luzon]

Yeah.

[Naomi Smalls]

But like, it's just boring.

[Manila Luzon]

Yeah. For season 10, I was so. I made mine so matchy because on season 10 they made such a big thing about it. Not about the family resemblance thing, which I think is such a weird thing. In this, in this fucking thing, the family resembling thing, because they can, they can say anything is not family resemblance. I'm like, tyler Oakley is fucking two feet tall and I'm just fucking like so. And we were, we had like the same. I felt like I was with the same collection. They were still like, no, there's no family resemblance. So I think that's why girls go so matchy matchy because they're so afraid of being told no family resemblance.

[Naomi Smalls]

Weren't you guys wearing glasses?

[Manila Luzon]

Yeah, I put on glasses for that because he was like, I cannot walk without glasses. I refuse to not wear glasses.

[Naomi Smalls]

Oh, God. Take them off his face and put him on the floor.

[Manila Luzon]

Stomp on them. Well, where the wear them now?

[Naomi Smalls]

It's. It's Wednesday. YouTube can help you buy. Go to Warby Parker and go buy yourself some new glasses.

[Manila Luzon]

And last but not least, we have Jimbo and Sissy Delicious.

[Naomi Smalls]

Yes. I do love that you didn't have to like wear a breastplate. Like, her tits are huge.

[Manila Luzon]

Oh, those are her tits. Oh, yeah. Yeah.

[Naomi Smalls]

What am I thinking?

[Manila Luzon]

Yeah, those are her tits. But these looks are fucking terrible. They're really bad. I cannot believe that Jimbo let Sissy talk her into not wearing those vinyl black and white things. Are going to wear and put on these mall dresses. Like these shits are from Charlotte Rose. Like, no, no, no.

[Naomi Smalls]

I'd like. This is such an easy fix. Such an easy fix. Drag queens, women, whoever the hell is going to the mall and buying these dresses. These dress dresses, embellishments, just stone the seam.

[Manila Luzon]

The seam.

[Naomi Smalls]

I promise you it'll make it look 1000 times more expensive.

[Manila Luzon]

Yeah.

[Naomi Smalls]

But like when there's a break in a pattern or anything like that, it just reads so cheap, so store bought, so accessible. And I feel like drag is just supposed to be like as unattainable as possible. If I can look at it and be like, oh, yeah, I got to go to the mall and get that. Like, you're not doing it right.

[Manila Luzon]

Yeah. And Jimbo could. Jimmy could have thrown some stones on there. I mean, she didn't do anything else. Just, oh, well, they did something about this fucking. Which they did that to us too. And again, this is a part of this challenge that I hate is to, oh, do a little dance when the dance has nothing to do with or bearing in what the thing is.

[Naomi Smalls]

Yeah. I don't know why they want to see the person. Well, I kind of liked it for us because at least it was themed, you know, like you got to have the Judy thing cohesive with the whole episode. But this like they pretty much just like we're going to play some RuPaul

[Manila Luzon]

songs and you're a lip sync, you know? Yeah. Like, and also if the person's a bad performer, a bad lip synchron, how are you going to judge me? Like I can't fix that in a two day episode. Like how am I going to make this person perform? Like, it just seems so unfair in

[Naomi Smalls]

my experience though of doing Drag Race. Like I feel like or makeover when they have you dance, it's like not. It's not part of the final score.

[Manila Luzon]

Yeah. They just.

[Naomi Smalls]

Even though you guys fucking killed it though, me and Patty, you guys were like went ham.

[Manila Luzon]

We did go ham again. I was lucky. Patty is literally like a dancer. So like we like did that shit. And I want to see our. Cause I thought they were going to show the whole thing. I want to see our whole thing because we really had a good time doing it.

[Naomi Smalls]

Meanwhile I looked a fucking boo boo boo boo boo boo boo. I think they just edited around it. Thank God.

[Manila Luzon]

So, okay. I wrote what I write down. I said oh. So I've never been a one who to do skinny eyebrows, but these like skinny brows Jimbo painted on sissy. I was like, oh, that was kind of cun. Should I try being doing skinny eyebrows?

[Naomi Smalls]

I've thought about this too since we're like kind of real girl. Real brow girls. Like, like how like would you like glue? Like almost like half.

[Manila Luzon]

Yeah. Or I would just cover them completely because it would just be so hard.

[Naomi Smalls]

I don't think I could do that. I don't think I could do that.

[Manila Luzon]

Like a skinny cut like to the early aughts brow.

[Naomi Smalls]

I need to see like some hair. Like just. I need to see some hair.

[Manila Luzon]

Like lastique girl get the, get the little glue on eyebrows she be doing.

[Naomi Smalls]

I mean those are fierce.

[Manila Luzon]

They are fierce.

[Naomi Smalls]

It's a commitment dimension. And actually that's the thing. Their hair. It's like little hairs.

[Manila Luzon]

Yeah.

[Naomi Smalls]

I need like just a hair.

[Manila Luzon]

Yeah, I can plastic. Really? She plastic. Phoebe, she puts that shit on every time she gets in drag. That is crazy.

[Naomi Smalls]

Good for her though. She's a wizard.

[Manila Luzon]

Yeah, she really is.

[Naomi Smalls]

I love her. Our woman.

[Manila Luzon]

So they do the judges do the deliberations and Kandy Muse wins. Do you agree?

[Naomi Smalls]

Yeah.

[Manila Luzon]

Yeah.

[Naomi Smalls]

By default,

[Manila Luzon]

you think?

[Naomi Smalls]

I think she.

[Manila Luzon]

I. I think it's also in the little Kandy and her person with the only. Even though I don't think it matters. But maybe they'd be picking and choosing when it matters. But their choreo to the thing, they were the most in sync. Like, they had. Like, they both turned around at the same time. Like, it was. They were super in sync for their thing. And I think they had the best looks too.

[Naomi Smalls]

For sure. For sure. I think that. But, like, I'm still not impressed.

[Manila Luzon]

I was impressed. I was impressed with the face.

[Naomi Smalls]

I'm impressed with this.

[Manila Luzon]

Yes. Gorgeous, fierce.

[Naomi Smalls]

Yes, for sure. And honestly, it's a makeover. Makeup is 80%.

[Manila Luzon]

Yeah, yeah, okay.

[Naomi Smalls]

I'm impressed. Fuck it.

[Manila Luzon]

So they do the lip sync assassin, and this week it is Priyanka, the winner of Jimbo's original season of Canada's Drag Race. And she's wearing this, like, reggae, West Indian, Caribbean look. I actually think I look as cute.

[Naomi Smalls]

No, she looks great. She got paint head.

[Manila Luzon]

Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes.

[Naomi Smalls]

I mean, it's also probably so cool as an international queen to be on just because, I mean, not so much because, like, the American one's so much better, but it was the flagship, you know, so it's just, like, cool to be in the OG actual RuPaul's Drag Race.

[Manila Luzon]

Yeah. Like, Brianka won Drag Race and never. Never got judged by RuPaul. You know what I mean? Like, that's kind of a gag. Like, she won. Done one drag race, and RuPaul ain't never seen her before. That's wild to me. Who is it?

[Naomi Smalls]

I do feel exactly. She does that with Jinx, you know?

[Manila Luzon]

So, like, Seattle.

[Naomi Smalls]

I do wonder if, like, that was because, I mean, it's a television show, so, like, storyline. I wonder if that had anything to do with, like, they thought Jimbo was gonna do really well.

[Manila Luzon]

Because that would have been good. That would have been good, probably, you know? Yeah. But when you pull out a mall from. From a dress, from the bottom of your purse in the mall, you bitch. You're not winning the challenge. Challenge.

[Naomi Smalls]

Exactly.

[Manila Luzon]

Yeah. But had she not had let Sissy bully her, Jimbo could have had five wins this season, because that would have probably looked so cool.

[Naomi Smalls]

But for sure, I feel like I wish that we could see what they wanted to do.

[Manila Luzon]

Yes.

[Naomi Smalls]

At least of, like, the full try on. Because I feel like just knowing how Jimbo has laid this season, it was gonna be Good.

[Manila Luzon]

Yeah, it would have been great. It would have been really good. Jimbo should be really. I mean. Yes. Candy won this episode and. Well, we're sorry. We'll get there in a second. So Candy loses the lip sync to Priyanka. And this lip sync, overall, it was.

[Naomi Smalls]

They tried.

[Manila Luzon]

They did try.

[Naomi Smalls]

Like, there wasn't. It wasn't like a double sashay kind of quality.

[Manila Luzon]

Yeah, it wasn't that bad. It was not Daxin and Layla. Wasn't that.

[Naomi Smalls]

Oh, my gosh, I Will Survive, was it?

[Manila Luzon]

Yeah, yeah, I think so. One of those songs in that genre in that time period.

[Naomi Smalls]

Honey moment.

[Manila Luzon]

Yeah, it wasn't that bad, but it was not a great lip sync. Like, Candy.

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[Manila Luzon]

Catherine doing this, like, hair flip thing with her hair and. And Priyanka did, like, a. When a girl does a crunchy jazz split, I'm always like, just don't even do the split. Just don't even do the split. Just don't do it.

[Naomi Smalls]

There's so many stunts that happen on stage, like, any stage across the world. Drag race, drag queen performing on stage that, like, there's so many stunts that, like, sometimes I watch them, I'm like, I feel bad that you feel like you have to do that, you know, like. Like, you have to. Crunchy Shablam or half ass lit or just. I don't know, you don't need to. Just a mo. Yeah, Because. Yeah, just. Sir.

[Manila Luzon]

Yes.

[Naomi Smalls]

When something I hate, like, I hated about this lip sync is watching. Like, I hate when I can see that a queen is thinking when they're performing. And Candy does this, like, weird, like, I guess I mean, her. Her leg goes high in the sky. She does, like, a high kick, and she, like, looks over at, like, Priyanka, and I'm just like, okay. Like, yes. Like, what is that?

[Manila Luzon]

Let me tell you something. Fewer things bring me joy than watching a big girl do a high kick. Like when Eureka is doing a high. But she is winding up that fucking kick, girl. When Silky is doing. Watching a big girl kick is. So it brings. It just gives me an endorphin release. I live.

[Naomi Smalls]

The chin always ends up, like, underneath the armpit for some odd reason. I don't know why. Like, I feel like when you're doing a high kick, you want to be like, yeah,

[Manila Luzon]

Yeah.

[Naomi Smalls]

And I definitely loved the decision, like, because I think Priyanka won.

[Manila Luzon]

Yeah, for sure. Priyanka won. And then Priyanka goes to reveal the lip sync of the girls, but obviously they voted for each other, which we. It'll Be weird if one of them voted for themselves.

[Naomi Smalls]

I should have been. Knew that. But I was surprised, like, when it happened, I was like, oh, wow. Like, it didn't even cross my brain that that was gonna be the result.

[Manila Luzon]

Naomi. What I mean was that reason I was like. But then I thought, okay, maybe. Well, what they will do is they will. Even if Priyanka loses, they would add. But Kandy would be. Yeah, Kandy would always have to make me the tiebreaker anyway, even if she won or lost.

[Naomi Smalls]

True. And she knew that. She probably knew that.

[Manila Luzon]

Yeah, she probably knew. There's no way, right? And then. So she chooses anyway, and Kandy chooses to send Jessica home. And it is, in my opinion, one of the dumbest decisions that has ever been made on Drag Race. Why the fuck would you not send Jimbo home?

[Naomi Smalls]

You weak bitch.

[Manila Luzon]

You weak.

[Naomi Smalls]

You fucking weak. Weak.

[Manila Luzon]

We,

[Naomi Smalls]

like, literally, like, your future is right here, and you're gonna go with the shittier version.

[Manila Luzon]

Like, what?

[Naomi Smalls]

Why?

[Manila Luzon]

I was gagged. I was like, candy, send Jimbo home. That is the only way you're gonna win.

[Naomi Smalls]

Literally. Like, I guess, like, it's not important to her. It must not be important to her,

[Manila Luzon]

but must not be.

[Naomi Smalls]

If you're going to be somewhere for six weeks and have your phone taken from you and strip your rights away from you and all, like, invest in, like, why. Why not? Why not win?

[Manila Luzon]

I gagged. I was like, this bitch is either scared of the fans or whatever. I don't know what her reasoning was, but she. When I saw Jessica, I was like, this is a stupid bitch. I cannot believe that she's kept Jessica. I mean, she kept Jimbo to clear

[Naomi Smalls]

this up, break the narrative, whatever. People always say, like, Naomi and Manila, like, that whole situation, like, people coming, like, well, she probably just didn't want to deal with, like, what Naomi had to deal with from the fan. Like, they. I. That. That whole thing has never affected, like, my actual life. Like, it never. It's loud on Instagram, but in real life and stuff like that. Yeah, who gets up?

[Manila Luzon]

No one cares.

[Naomi Smalls]

Fuck. So, like, that's never something I hope for any competitor to go into, like, fearing for, like, oh, my God, what's gonna happen after Bitch, I'm still. I'm. I'm still hawking these legs around the world. And it's never affected my.

[Manila Luzon]

Let me tell you something. I tour with Naomi directly. This is directly during that. And afterwards, Naomi Smalls was the most popular girl on the motherfucking tour I was on. She would come on stage and the entire audience would scream for Naomi fucking Smalls. Naomi, sitting in the Manila home, had no bar on her fans or. Like, that's so crazy to me.

[Naomi Smalls]

So just go in there, Queens. Go in there and play the game. Whatever you have to do to win for yourself. Like, why the fuck else are we there to go in the Fame game? Are you kidding me? No. Embarrassing. Like, no, no, girl.

[Manila Luzon]

Candy just gave Jimbo a hundred, $200,000 and the crown. Like, she just gave. She's like, jimbo, here, I want. I want to give you this, because she is definitely not winning, but I will go on RuPaul's Draggers right now. When I saw it this morning, woke up, Jimbo had, like, over 100,000 likes and Candy had barely. She had barely crusted 25,000. Like, she gave the crown to Jimbo. I cannot believe. Let's look at it right now. Right now, as it stands, Candy Muse has 38,000 likes for hashtag team candy. Jimbo has 137,000 likes. Okay?

[Naomi Smalls]

Dumb bitch.

[Manila Luzon]

Dumb.

[Naomi Smalls]

That. That post could not have even existed if you just thought for yourself in a competition, whoa.

[Manila Luzon]

Like, number 1A, you robbed us of really good fucking TV. So I'm mad at that because the gag, the face crack that Jimbo would have had when Candy would have sent him home, because it would have been like, canada, Canada, UK versus the world all over again. Like, the moment that would have made for TV for you, Kenny. You robbed us of that. You robbed yourself, and you are not going to win because of it. And I'm sorry about it, girl.

[Naomi Smalls]

Oh, you saw.

[Manila Luzon]

Candy and Candy versus Jessica. Candy probably would have won that.

[Naomi Smalls]

Like, probably.

[Manila Luzon]

Yeah, Candy would have won against Jessica, like, by default.

[Naomi Smalls]

Well, so also, like, if she would have sent Jimbo home, like, it would have just added to, like, the. Of Jimbo's storyline. Yeah, everyone would have won.

[Manila Luzon]

Yeah, exactly. Jimbo would have been robbed, and Jimbo would have been like, yeah, you. That is a perfect summary of that. Everyone would have won that way. Kander won the crown. Jim will have been the Rob Queen and giving her. Giving her more reverence with the fans. Like, yeah, well, with that being said, Naomi, who's winning All Stars 8 next week?

[Naomi Smalls]

Jimbo. You know, there are two episodes left.

[Manila Luzon]

Two? What do you mean, two?

[Naomi Smalls]

Yeah, next week is. The next week is like the talent show where they bring all the girls back to the talent show. And then after that, there's the finale episode. And I have no idea what happens on it, but we're. We watched another finale There are two episodes left.

[Manila Luzon]

Drag Race will draw a season out of it. The last thing they do, girl. Oh, the town. So I, I, I had downloaded the episode, so it just, it didn't have the next week's previews for me, and my. I watched it, so. Got it. There's a talent show. They bring everyone back. Okay. I mean, that'll be fun to watch.

[Naomi Smalls]

Yeah, that'll be fun. Yeah. Like, I kind of hate that they don't do it first challenge anymore.

[Manila Luzon]

Yeah.

[Naomi Smalls]

There's just some things that Drag Race does where I'm just like, why sweatshirt the classic?

[Manila Luzon]

Well, I think, nay, like, again, we're so many seasons in. I'm like, they, like, at this point, they should, like, do more to, like, change it up. Like, I know a lot of people didn't like it our season, but I genuinely love the makeover, the room thing. It was something different we hadn't done before. And I like that it was, like, different. I enjoyed it. Like, I like stuff like that. Even I don't like designing stuff. That was fun to me, for sure.

[Naomi Smalls]

No, I like that kind of stuff. But the whole, like, I mean, it made sense for winners, but, like, if we're gonna keep everyone around, like, I, I don't know. I think I'm a little bit more like cutthroat when it comes to, like, a competition. So, like, I'm entertained on whatever show, like, if someone is exhaled from the island or whatever. Like, I'm always looking for that, like, moment. And there's just some things that Drag Race has done. I think it's, in the long run, it helps the queens, like, having to make their own, bring their own makeovers, all that stuff. But it doesn't really give me the, like, looking for when I'm watching, because I'm such a fan of Drag Race,

[Manila Luzon]

you know, like, you want to go back to the old, like, cutthroat. Imagine, like, back in, like, fucking season two or three when they were making an outfit, like, every two season three they made, they had to make, like, five things there for five run race. I was like, that is. I'm sorry. It was four things. That is crazy to me. I would die.

[Naomi Smalls]

It will be like, only the girls with, like, thick skin if it turns into Raven's Drag Race.

[Manila Luzon]

Raven is so guny. I love Raven so good. Love Raven. Well, Naomi, do you know one person I love way more than Raven and it's you.

[Naomi Smalls]

Well, I don't, I don't blame you.

[Manila Luzon]

Thank you so much for coming and hanging out and doing and talking this episode with me. I love you so much.

[Naomi Smalls]

I love you too. Of course. Anytime. I'm always here. One day I need to do a you, me and Bob moment again.

[Manila Luzon]

Yes. Cause I. Oh my God. So funny. I literally about two weeks ago. So sometimes when I can't fall asleep, I just put like podcasts on. I just like play them and I woke up the next morning, it was in the middle. I don't know how it got to that. It was in the middle of the season 10 one with Yumi and Bob and that shit is so funny. It is such a funny episode. We should do as a repost one of these days and then actually do one again. But that shit is so. Y' all are. Y' all were cracking me up.

[Naomi Smalls]

It was like back in the day.

[Manila Luzon]

Yes, back in the day.

[Naomi Smalls]

Crazy.

[Manila Luzon]

It was good. And also, you and I need to do just a rivalry episode. We'll get like a cute topic and you and I just do a regular rivalry so we don't have to be bothered by these fucking bum ass bitches sending home their weakest competition.

[Naomi Smalls]

Girl, girl, I'm still mad.

[Manila Luzon]

Me too. Me too.

[Naomi Smalls]

Laid your bed, now lie in it. Loser. Loser. Join the club

[Manila Luzon]

one day. You have a good rest of your day and I'll talk to you very soon, Diva.

[Naomi Smalls]

Me too. Love you so much. Bye, fam.

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