Sibling Watchery: RuPaul's Drag Race S15E12 "Wigloose: The Rusical!" Review

Summary

Sibling Rivalry: Sibling Watchery – RuPaul’s Drag Race S15E12 "Wigloose: The Rusical!" Review

Monét X Change & Bob the Drag Queen
Date: March 20, 2023

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Episode Overview

In this episode, Monét X Change and Bob the Drag Queen review RuPaul's Drag Race S15E12, “Wigloose: The Rusical!”. They break down the queens’ performances in the Rusical, runway looks, in-house drama, and share their signature blend of analysis and shady humor. The pair also delve into ongoing season narratives, queen dynamics, and the timely social commentary of the Rusical challenge, all while providing plenty of laughs and insightful takes.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Season Structure & The Absence of Twists

• [01:12] Monét notes that the season is winding down with only five queens left and no double-shantays or returns so far.
• Bob jokes about the possibility of bringing back eliminated queens or throwing in a wild twist (“bring back a bibbidi bop boop bop, skippity scoop”).
• Both reflect on the rarity of a queen making it to the finale without a single challenge win, referencing international franchise history.

2. Selina's Narrative & Fan/Queen Reactions

• [02:58] The hosts unpack Selina’s hopeful attitude despite being in the bottom frequently and her claim, “I feel like I don’t need wins to win the competition.”
• [09:13] Notable moment: Monét plays an audio clip of Selina’s onstage rant at HART weho, targeting judge Ross Matthews:

  “Ross Matthews, you can eat my ass. What the fuck does he know about that? Why is he still on the judges panel?” – [09:13]

• Bob and Monét roast and sympathize with post-elimination emotions while distancing themselves from excessive vitriol.
• Ongoing pattern: Selena’s self-proclaimed bounce-back at the top of each episode followed by landing in the bottom.

3. Queen Dynamics & Villain Edit Discussion

• [12:20] Mistress declares she’s leaving her “congenial era” for a “chaotic era”—which Bob and Monét agree has been ongoing since episode one.
• Bob analyzes which queens in Drag Race history get labeled as villains, noting racial dynamics and editing.

4. The Role Drama: Wigloose Casting

• [16:15–20:43] The main source of drama: Lucy and Luxx fight over the “Heaven Bacon” role (a Kevin Bacon parody) in the Rusical.
  • “Lucy is the first one to say, you know what? Fuck it, you can have this… Once Lucy is, like, broken down, Lux goes, I don’t want [the role].” — Bob [18:55]
  • Both hosts agree: production does not intervene in cast disagreements.
  • Monét compares it to her similar All Stars experience and laments “I should have just been like, no.”

5. Queen Perceptions & The ‘Ganging Up’ Edit

• [22:21] Monét ponders whether Lucy is being picked on because of her recurring “I should have won” narrative and how such energy can wear on the group.

6. Timeliness of Wigloose: Drag Legislation & Art Commentary

• [23:51] Monét notes the relevance of the “Wigloose” Rusical, paralleling real-world drag bans and anti-drag legislation:

  “This is such a timely musical… especially right now with the drag ban, this seems so… it’s happening, episodes coming out truly at the right time.”

7. Mental Health, Vulnerability, & Handling Critique

• [25:44–31:18] Lucy reveals she’s triggered by people laughing at her, confiding in Selena—Monét and Bob reflect on how reality TV intensifies vulnerability.
• Bob: “I have this podcast where my friend, like, makes fun of everything I say and the way I say it…”
• They bring attention to the ways internal doubt and external feedback (“inner saboteur”) feed into Drag Race performance stress.

8. Rusical Challenge Breakdown (“Wigloose”)

• [33:12–36:34]
  • Praise: Universally acclaimed by both hosts as one of Drag Race’s best Rusicals.

    “This is one of the best Rusicals that has been on Drag Race in a very long time.” — Bob [33:12]

  • Monét appreciates the clear, coherent story and the challenge’s parody of Footloose.
  • Both agree every queen performed well—nothing negative to say about anyone’s performance.
• They reminisce about favorite previous Rusicals and the virtues of strong narrative structure.

9. Runway (“Glove Yourself”) & Individual Queen Critiques

• [38:00–51:49]
  • Lucy LaDuca: Praised for her performance, panned for her runway (“that outfit is so fucking ugly” – Monét [51:16]).
  • Anetra: Solid performance, but her runway is called safe, not glove-focused enough.
  • Mistress Isabelle Brooks: Nailed the challenge; mixed feelings about whether her sleeves are truly “gloves”.
  • Luxx Noir London: Creative broken-arm, “cast as gloves” look praised as inventive and alt.
  • Selena Estitties: Strong performer in the Rusical, but runway look leaves both hosts cold—“I don’t love this look so much either” – Monét [48:15].
  • Sasha Colby: Runway declared the winner of the night for its smart, high-fashion “glove” theme.

    “Out of all the looks, this is the only look that I would be like… this is about gloves.” — Bob [49:28]

10. Drama: “Who Should Go Home and Why?”

• [52:02–59:47]
  • The classic mainstage question leads to juicy TV.
  • Quick poll:
    • Lucy, Anetra → Selena
    • Mistress → Sasha
    • Luxx, Selena, Sasha → Lucy
  • Both hosts discuss the politics of “diplomatic” versus “honest” answers.
  • Notable quote:

    “I do not like sending home... that’s just such a cop out answer. And we know why you’re saying it.” — Bob [53:30]

  • Monét: Would have said Selena due to most lip-syncs and no challenge wins.
  • Both dissect whether Lucy’s directness is “shady” or just fair game in the competition.

11. Lip Sync & Elimination Analysis

• [59:50–62:47]
  • Lucy and Selena land in the bottom. Both hosts agree it’s largely due to runway scores.
  • Lip sync to “Running Up That Hill” by Kate Bush: Neither dominated; Selena does hand reveals but it’s not enough to offset her fourth time in the bottom.
  • “I don’t think anyone crushed the other one in this lip sync.” — Bob [61:58]
  • Selena is sent home.

12. Predictions & Finale Wishes

• [66:43–68:45]
  • Hosts discuss desire for a return to a Top 3 finale, and the “prepared numbers” talent format of S14.
  • They wager Sasha Colby is the frontrunner, with Mistress as main competition.
  • Both hope next episodes allow “the girls to go home and create really dope stuff.”

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Selina’s post-show outburst:

  “Ross Matthews, you can eat my ass. What the fuck does he know about that?” – Played by Monét [09:13]

• On Drag Race villain edits:

  “Some people can be villains and get away with it, and some people just kind of can’t.” — Bob [12:39]

• On Lucy vs. Luxx role drama:

  “Lucy is the first one to say, you know what? Fuck it, you can have this...” — Bob [18:55]

• On judging runway looks:

  “Out of all the looks, this is the only look that... is about gloves.” — Bob on Sasha Colby’s look [49:28]

• On the mainstage question:

  “I do not like sending home a big... That’s just such a cop out answer.” — Bob [53:30]

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Key Timestamps

• [02:58] – Discussion of queens making finale without wins
• [09:13] – Selina’s rant at Ross Matthews
• [12:20] – Mistress’s “chaotic era” & villain edit talk
• [16:15–20:43] – Lucy vs. Luxx drama over “Heaven Bacon”
• [23:51] – Relevance of Wigloose to drag ban legislation
• [33:12] – Hosts praise the Rusical as best in years
• [38:00–51:49] – Runway critiques, standout looks
• [52:02–59:47] – “Who should go home?” drama
• [59:50–62:47] – Bottom two/lip sync recap
• [66:43–68:45] – Finale predictions and wishes

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Tone & Recap

The episode blends raucous humor, classic Sibling Rivalry bickering, and Drag Race-insider analysis. Monét and Bob dish the shade but never skip the heartfelt, particularly discussing the challenges of Drag Race pressures and the personal journey of each queen.

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Summary for New Listeners

If you missed this episode of Sibling Rivalry: expect sharp Drag Race insight, plenty of shade (especially for runway flops), and the unique perspective of two legendary queens. They break down “Wigloose: The Rusical!” as one of the series’ best ever, discuss who’s rising and falling, and preview a high-stakes finish to Season 15.

Transcript

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[A]

Do you know what is extra these girls on season 15 of RuPaul's jacket?

[C]

I have. Yeah, I gathered you. You know, you was doing the most.

[A]

This is not rivalry, Bob. This is living watcheries. So please gather yourself and get into the gig. Bob, we're almost towards the end of this season. It's only, like, two more episodes. And it's the finale. There's five girls left.

[C]

No, they might bring some girls back and add some more girls and bring back a bibbidi bop boop bop, skippity scoop. They might bring the twins back. You never know what happened.

[A]

We have. We haven't. We haven't brought anyone back this season or done any double shantaes. Do you think that RuPaul is like, I'm over it. I want to get through it?

[C]

No, I don't think that. I don't think that. I don't.

[A]

I know, I know, I know. Oh, well, you asked me, but just to be silly.

[C]

Well, then how do you want me to respond to it? How am I supposed to respond? How am I supposed to respond to that? The short answer is no, I don't think that RuPaul is over the show. I think that she probably enjoys doing it and. And is always probably striving for whatever makes the best television.

[A]

You know, I mean, but no double shantaes and no double eliminations and no bringing any poo back. We haven't seen that for, like, at least. I mean, season 11, I think. Let Me not say that because if I was like, no money, you stupid, dumb fat bitch. They actually didn't bring anyone back in the tuck of season 13, so I don't know, but I feel like I haven't seen in a while.

[C]

Well, you do making blatant claims. Everyone's like, actually, she did not duck walk in her performance with Sasha Kobe. And I was like, I don't know if she did.

[A]

Okay, one, one.

[C]

Oh my God. Why do you hate Anitra so much? What is going on?

[A]

I do not devob. Do not start this thing. I do not not hit Anitra wasn't you start this. Stop. I'm not doing this with you.

[C]

Anyway, I don't know why you're so against her.

[A]

At the top of the episode in the fallout Selena has sent home. I mean, Selena wasn't lip sync. Selena was in the bottom again. And she makes this comment in her talking head. She said, I feel like I don't need wins to win the competition. Now, I will say there is one person that this has happened to on an international season. They did not win any challenges and they won the crown. Could you imagine that happening? Of.

[C]

Well, to be in her defense, I remember talking to you and you said that even by the time you got sent home on your season, you still thought you could have won. So her mindset is pretty. It makes sense to want to be hopeful and try to find a way to justify a win for yourself even if you don't try to manifest a win, even if you don't have any.

[A]

Yeah, I was gonna say even like I. When I was going to the finale, I was like, I feel like I could win something before I get there, like. Cause they still. What? There was three challenges before the top three or whatever it was of my season.

[C]

Yeah, I mean, I don't see it for someone like that. I mean, that just sounds really wild. And apparently it has happened once overseas, but it seemed. But in the over at this point, 300 episodes of Drag Race and the over Drag Race, RuPaul's Drag Race. The over 30 seasons of RuPaul's Drag Race has happened once. So I would say it's probably like a 1 in 30 chance that maybe I'm. Maybe it's not 30 seasons, but I mean, there's three UK's, three Canadas.

[A]

We'll never do the math. Right. We don't know. We don't even know. There's so many. Who knows?

[C]

But a lot of. There's been a lot of seasons for horse Drag Race. So it seems pretty. Pretty rare.

[A]

But.

[C]

But stranger things, you know, Stranger things have happened. I don't think it was gonna happen. And it does make sense that, that, that. I mean, spoiler alert. If you're watching this, I'm assuming you already watched the episode. It makes sense that Miss Titties went home on today because it was just a. It was a struggle. Like, I, I, I. I don't know that I could imagine. Was this her. Her fourth.

[A]

This her fourth one? I mean, Cameron Michaels did it.

[C]

I know, but. But I also didn't see her winning, you know?

[A]

Yeah. But in theory, in a perfect world, you can be a great lip syncher, and Cameron Michaels could have done a crazy gag like Sasha Velour and Cameron Michaels could have won this RuPaul Drag Race.

[C]

Again. I still feel like the gag lip sync has to, like, justify not having done well during the competition or as well as another competitor during the competition. And it has to be, like, a cultural reset lip sync moment that everyone's talking about. And I think that in terms of the finales, there's only been one lip sync that everyone has just been, like, talking about to this day. You know what I mean? Even. Even the other lip sync, people don't even talk past the season. What's the next season?

[A]

I will say Asia's didn't. Or someone's. Jacob, I think that's you. You're unmuted. We're hearing you blow up.

[C]

That was a horn here in New York City.

[A]

No, I just heard myself say. I will say I'm hearing myself.

[C]

It's probably. My headphones are high. Oh, yeah. People talk about Asia, but the gag is not Monet. Don't do her like that. The gag of Asia's lip sync was not how sickening it was.

[A]

It talks about. You talk about bitch. From now till kingdom come, people will talk about Asia. Them goddamn butterflies.

[C]

People will talk about them. Yes. People will talk about agentless butterflies for a very long time. But I would say it's in a different context.

[A]

Bitch, I will catfish the fuck out of you. You're like, oh, Monet looks nice, bitch. Monet. I went from Monet to Trone, honey. Just a Tarzan, honey.

[C]

What's Trone?

[A]

I don't know. It seems like a very butch name. Hey. Hey, man. Yeah, my name is Trine.

[C]

Trine. But anyway, also, she's the only girl who doesn't have a. I'm just gonna let you look at yourself for a second. Then once you gather yourself, we'll just Continue.

[A]

I'm, I'm not looking at myself. Continue. I'm listening.

[C]

She is the only girl who doesn't have a win at this point. But also, Selena feels like her and Mistress should have won, which seems to be the common thread this season. Every girl thinks they should have won at the top of every episode. Every girl talking about how she should have won. Last week was the comedy challenge, and Selena feels like her and Mistress should have had a double win.

[A]

Yeah, she did. No, I think the right team won. I think that Lux and Lucy, um, I think, I think, I think, I think they were good. I, I, I, I think the winners were right. And also Lux's, Lux's Runway really pushed her above, you know, Luxx's Runway really got her that extra point.

[C]

Well, unfortunately for Selena, I think that Selena did better than Mistress did actually in the challenge.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

So as a group, they weren't as strong as Luxx and Lucille, as Luxandra and Lucille. Um, then she says this.

[A]

Well, Selina has this, like this typical Selina narrative, like at the top of the episode. This has happened to Selina a bunch of times this season. Typically, the episode is when she's in the bottom. It's like, you know what? I know, you know what? This week I know I'm gonna kill it. This week is my week. I am snatching the win. And it's always, she's in the bottom of that episode. I'm like, uh, uh, Selena, stop. Oh, yeah.

[C]

Selena has not procured a win yet. But, or I mean, but maybe there's an all stars where she'll come back and scoop, scoop, scoop it up.

[A]

You know what I mean? I mean, no, she's not. Did you hear that video of her at HART weho? No, Bob the mother tucking drag queen. I said, Selena, Jesus.

[C]

What, what happened? What was it?

[A]

I'm about to play for you. Listen, Put your cameras up.

[C]

Put your cameras up. We're putting this right now. We're putting this right now. Ready?

[A]

Ross Matthews, you can eat my ass. What the fuck does he know about that? Why is he still on the judges panel? I'm like, Ross Matthews is a, is a, is a, is a stand up comedian who has accolades of being funny. And I get it, you do get up in your feelings. But I'm like, girl, this is, this is too much. This is wild. But she said, everyone, everyone take out your phones.

[C]

Take out your phones.

[A]

And I'm sure people probably recorded this video tagged Ross, like, I'm like, girl, not this.

[C]

They've been tagging the fucking. They've been tagging. They've been tagging the dress Barn. At this point, they're tagging anyone they can tag. Ross, Dressborn Bros and Coat Factory. That was funny. Oh, my God. Thank you. This is. That was. Okay, girl. I hope she doesn't listen to our podcast.

[A]

I know she probably eight, but we. I know. Damn.

[C]

Pop, pop, snap, crackle.

[A]

Damn.

[C]

I literally opened a Pellegrino. You're acting like I shot a fireworks in the room. Yeah, I will do the most minute thing. I don't care what it is. You will act like I have done a full production Broadway show. I opened a Pellegrino. And you're like, pop to the kik to CAC to Cat Coon.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Cause it's loud in my ear. But. But yeah, I saw that video. I was like.

[C]

I was like, jesus.

[A]

I was like, it's not all that. It's not all that, babe. And.

[C]

And I get it.

[A]

I know people get up in their feelings afterwards you got eliminated. You're like. You're. You're upset. You know what I mean? But not that. That was. That was. It seemed very uncalled for. It seemed very wild.

[C]

It was. It was a gag. I. I was gagged. That gagged me. Gag gagged them a bit, for sure. Um, so Lux London Noir has said, so she does a thing where she. Where they're asking her how she's going to win the competition, and she says that thing that RuPaul says you should never do. And I get what RuPaul says not to do it too, because it's not

[A]

a real plan where you say.

[C]

Where you say, I'm just gonna. RuPaul hates you. Go, how are you gonna win? Well, I'm just gonna. I'm just gonna. And I feel like the producer asked Lux how she's gonna win this show, and she was. I'm just gonna keep doing what I've been doing. And I'm like, that doesn't seem like a great. That doesn't sound like a plan.

[A]

Emma got her two wins.

[C]

But. But I. It just. It doesn't. It just. I'm saying, it doesn't sound like a plan. When someone goes.

[A]

I'm just like.

[C]

When someone says, I'm just gonna. I'm just gonna go out there and be funny. That doesn't sound like a plan to me.

[A]

I mean, I. I care what you're saying, but I. It doesn't bother me. I'm like. She's like, I'm just. I'm Just gonna keep on. I'm just gonna, like, yeah, I'm just gonna. Yeah, it doesn't. That doesn't bother my ears holes as much as yours. I get it.

[C]

So the next day, walk into the work room, and mib says that she's entering her. She has left her congenial era. She's entering her chaotic era, bitch.

[A]

That chaotic eras has been since episode one. I was like, if this bitch gets in one more era every five minutes, she's in a new era.

[C]

I think that Mistress is. I think she's obviously being a bit campy, and she knows that she's been in her chaotic era the entire time. And. And she is. You know, I'm really intrigued by Mistress. Some people can be villains and get away with it, and some people just kind of can't. And there does seem to be a certain. A certain factor in who can get away with being a villain for sure, because. But then again, there are a few. A few black girls who've gotten away with being villains too. I can only think of one. One black girl who's effectively got away with being a villain. If you go back and watch Angela on season three, she is a. I mean, she fully throws a drink at someone like, you bitch. Like, she is a. But then, like, Alyssa Edwards was kind of a villain in her season. Raven was a villain in her season. Violet. Violet was the villain on her season.

[A]

Who was the villain on yours? Derek.

[C]

Derrick Berry. Yeah, Derek. And kind of Betty.

[A]

Oh, yeah, Betty. But Betty didn't. Betty was mean. There's difference between just mean to be mean and, like, a villain. Mean. Like Betty would just say that it is not necessarily, like, stir the pot and be like a nat. As someone watching the show, it didn't feel like Betty was like a villain like that. Like how like, Alyssa Edwards would go up to her and be like, bitch, look how orange you look. No, girl, you know what I mean. Betty didn't do that. Like, well, the judge was ugly. That wig was crunchy. You still wore it.

[C]

There is a. There is a. A YouTube channel called I'm Doodles, and they do these RuPaul Drag Race Girl arguments, but as, like, reptile. So it's like every birdie versus Selena Serena Cha Cha, or every. Every reptile versus Serena Cha Cha. And it's a bunch of, like, lizards and like, crocodiles and all reptiles. And then the girl that's arguing in the middle, but it's done through these ridiculous. And I went back, and the one with Serena Cha Cha, that was crazy. Those Girls were really ganging up on her. It was kind of wild, those girls.

[A]

Everyone does. People are still ganging up on Serena Chacha online, on Twitter. Every day I'm seeing a tweet about her wigs, how she's shit, how she should feel herself, like, on Twitter. Like, like, meaning like, like, like if someone makes, like, some joke about, oh, oh, look, she. She wanted Serena Cha Cha wig, it's always that Serena is still getting beat up on.

[C]

So it was wild, but in part of me is like, yeah, yeah, I'm sure she. I wasn't there, but it seems like the group consensus is that she was some kind of annoying in that moment and some sort of condescending in that moment. And everyone else in the room didn't appreciate it. But the optics of it, when you watch it back, it's like, damn, they are really all going, like, with the ganja. They were all going in on her. Like, it was like it was very attacked. I mean, from every direction. There was nothing she could do.

[B]

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[C]

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[B]

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[C]

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[A]

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[A]

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[C]

1-800-contacts from every direction. There was nothing she could do that where she could. And now I feel like the new. The new one is Lucille. Lucille Lou Hoo. But because we're going to get into it, but we find out that they're doing a rusical. They're doing Wig Loose, which is obviously a play on footloose, and they're all trying to pick their parts. So mib is the preacher teacher. Sasha is Carl, the husband of the preacher teacher. Now then we get to Lucy and Lux, who are fighting over the character Heaven Bacon, who has a beast on Kevin Bacon.

[A]

Bacon.

[C]

So they're going back and forth, and then we're missing.

[A]

No, I did.

[C]

Well, we got a few. But then it got to like, this is where they started arguing because Anetra was the thing again, because Anetra chose to be the other teacher and Selina wanted. Selina wanted to be. Yeah, Tuck or Christian at some point. And then her role got changed too. So when they get to Lux and Lucy, they're both fighting with part. And then Lucy is like, I'm digging my heels in the sand. I'm not. And this is where people don't realize production does not step in. They literally. Yeah. I had a thing on my season where we had to, like, we were trying to figure out who was going to be this one band for what type of music we had. And the producers, they do not step in. Like, there's even more. You, like, look at the producer and they're like, you got to figure it out. Like, make it work. Make it runners.

[A]

Make it work.

[C]

So this is why we ended up having auditions. Rock, Paper, Scissors. And then what ended up happening here was Lucy was like, I'm just not giving up this part. This is not up for discussion. I'm not giving up this part. You've been in one of the. You've been in one of these Stylemates before.

[A]

Yeah, myself and Trinity were. Well, we. We both wanted to be Samantha in Sex and the City, and we did Rock, Paper, Scissors. And I regret that to this day. I should have just been like, no,

[C]

Well, I think it worked out for you. Wouldn't you say?

[A]

I did, but maybe it could have been better.

[C]

Maybe she would have been in the bottom and you would have.

[A]

Anyway.

[C]

Wait, was this. When was this on your season or the second season? This is this one.

[A]

You won All Stars? Yeah. All Stars.

[C]

Yeah. You did two All Stars, bitch.

[A]

The first one. Bitch.

[C]

All you said was All Stars. I can't remember. Anyway, so.

[A]

Oh, go ahead, go ahead, go ahead.

[C]

So they're going back and forth now. Lucy is the first one to say, you know what? Fuck it, you can have this was. I can't tell if. If Lux and Mistress are actually playing mind games or if this is how they are, but Lucy goes, it. You can have it. I don't want to play having bacon. And then once Lucy is, like, broken down, Lux goes, I don't want.

[A]

Did she.

[C]

Yes. Because then Lux goes, actually, I don't want heaven bacon because I could turn on any role. So I'll take Christian, you'll take Tuck, and then you can have heaven bacon. Well, because.

[A]

No, but. But there was something. Something made her do that. Like, after that happened, something. I think someone said something.

[C]

It was losing everything up. It was Lucy going, fuck it. I don't care anymore. And then once Lucy had a big reaction, then Lux was like, you know what? I actually don't. I actually will, because I can turn any role, and I can make any role work for me. I'm going to let you have heaven bacon. And then. And then I think she swapped roles with Selena. With Selena.

[A]

Yeah. Yeah. But. But good point, though. That being said, the role was Lux is like. Lux had this role because this comes up back up later in a. In a tough.

[C]

No, no, no, no, no, no. Well, let's have the roll. When Lucy gave it to her. Yes. But it was because Lucy gave it up. Because. Because Lucy said, I don't want to argue anymore. So it was up in the air. And then Lucy said, fuck it, you can have it. And then.

[A]

Right.

[C]

Once Lucy let it go, it was because Lucy stopped fighting.

[A]

But it was never Lucy's in the first place. They were. There were. There was no one. Then Lucy's like, you know, I don't argue anymore. Like, whatever. Like, I, I, I, I'm done. So. So then it was Luxx's role. Like, Luxx is the only one that had the role first. Cause that's true. When Lucy says that, I'm like, it was never yours. Y' all were deciding.

[C]

But anyway, you did watch the Untucked.

[A]

Yeah, yeah, I watched it.

[C]

But I guess the difference is. Cause I can't. I'm trying to remember Loosey's exact words, but Lucy was like, I gave you the role. Lucy was like. Cause they weren't talking back and forth. And Lucy did say, okay, I'm done. You can have it. I'm giving it to you. And then on the Runway, Lux was like, actually, I gave it. Which is such a. But then also during this point, at this point, Mistress is like, I just kind of feel like you're not being genuine. And I feel like that would bother me, too. That that critique would also bother me.

[A]

Well, I think there is a piece in this. Again. These girls, they're. They're. They're together all the time. They're at the hotels together, maybe doing gym together, put together, whatever it is. And maybe there is something about. I mean, as a viewer watching Lucy

[C]

spent a lot of time at the hotel.

[A]

Like, like, we would, like, go to, like, the. Like, you can go to the gym and stuff in pairs. Like, we would. Like, we would go, me, Valentin and Naomi go get our nails done together. Or, like, we would do it in pairs. They.

[C]

Let's go to the gym and then let us go to the gym like, once every three days. Otherwise, they're like, work out in your room.

[A]

Oh, no. Me and Shay went to the gym. Me and Shay also. We went to the gym every morning together. Pretty much.

[C]

They told us, we can go to the gym once every three days. Other times they told us, you work out in your room and they let you go to the pool once. But also that. But also, like, when would you be at the. Like, what time would you be on the weekend?

[A]

Because you shot. You shot Monday through. You shot Sunday to Sunday, right?

[C]

We shot Saturday to Sunday. No, Monday to Saturday.

[A]

So we only had Sundays off.

[C]

We actually had no days off because on Sundays, we did. We did our. Our. We did our interviews, so we actually didn't have any.

[A]

Oh, no, honey. The union came in and got our seasons together. Honey, we. We only shot. We shot Monday through Friday on. On all three seasons I've done.

[C]

Yeah, must be nice.

[A]

We had the weekends off anyway.

[C]

How would you.

[A]

How would you feel.

[C]

How would you feel being Lucy in this. In this, like, situation?

[A]

If I was Lucy, I think maybe

[C]

we actually didn't have. Maybe we had Saturdays off and we filmed on Sundays and might be Monday through Friday, Saturdays off, filming again on Sundays. I think it was Sunday through Friday.

[A]

Cor. Confessionals. Yeah. If I was Lucy, I would. It does feel like everyone is ganging up on Loosey, but. And again, in a lot of the fallouts of the episode, Loosey is kind of always like. Like, ugh, I should have won. And she seems a little over it, and that may be why the girls are getting a little sour to her. But I don't know, because I'm not there. But that's what. That is what I'm getting from watching the screen. I'm like, every week, this bitch is like, I'm over. I should have won. I was better than the rest of you. Like, why didn't I win? Like, that's the energy and the vibe. So that maybe, like, at this point, this is like, what, four weeks? At this point, you're like, if this bitch say this shit one more, the fuck you know what I mean? Like, maybe that.

[C]

You know, they've been there for way more than four weeks. That's how I was thinking about this. I was there for a month and a half, And I did nine episodes. They were on episode 12, and that

[A]

was six weeks for us. I don't know why it took y' all so long.

[C]

I don't know either. So. So anyway, so all the parts have now been distributed amongst the girls. The girls is. But then during the rehearsals, basically everyone goes to it. Does it feel like everyone goes to Selena to, like. To, like, trauma dump or to, like, talk about their feelings?

[A]

I think Selena has one of those personalities because Lucy does that to her. Oh, wait. I want to say this, too. This is such a timely musical. I know Drag Race, and I know these legislations have been in the works for a long time, but especially right now with the drag ban, this seems so. Like, it's happening episodes coming out truly, at the right time.

[C]

Did you hear about.

[A]

Oh, God, what now?

[C]

Hold on. Make sure. I want to get. Make sure I say get his name right. Okay. Did you hear about the fact that Trump might be getting indicted on Monday? No. To like, yeah, tomorrow. Or whatever it could be. There's many. This is crazy. This is cr. Sorry to this. Maybe we'll do a Patreon exclusive. Something. It's bananas. So let's just. Let's just say what time it is so people know when we're recording. It is Saturday, March 18, at 10, 7, 14, 10pm Eastern Standard Time. And this is just crazy anyway.

[A]

And he's already telling people to protest, and if. If I get indicted, make sure you protest and blah, blah, blah. I'm like, he's deciding. He's deciding a fucking thing. He can get probably charged with that shit, too, but he won't.

[C]

He'll already be in jail. Isn't kind of crazy that, like, this whole thing started with Lock her up and bitch? If he gets arrested, Hillary Clinton's gonna be just like. And you know New York City's gonna go crazy.

[A]

If he gets arrested, Staten island gonna be crazy. All right.

[C]

It's gonna be a party. They can burn that whole fucking place down, and no one will come in. The smell will go.

[A]

Oh, my God.

[C]

The smell will affect the rest of us, but in the rest of the boroughs, we'll be fine, honey.

[A]

We have Staten island, people. Staten Islandry. Who? Watch.

[C]

Y' all better get out of there. Y' all better get out of there, honey.

[A]

Okay, we got. We got. Moving on. We are.

[C]

We are.

[A]

We have delineated.

[C]

Well, it's just such. It's just such crazy news. So anyway, Lucy says she's triggered by people laughing at her when she talks.

[A]

She's la. She's triggered. Wait, I don't know. She's triggered by people laughing at her.

[C]

Like, the way she talks. I mean, I. I understand.

[A]

Oh, when she's talking to Selena, not the girls in the room.

[C]

Yeah, yeah, I mean, I understand. I have this podcast, I do, where my friend, like, makes fun of everything I say and the way I say it and the way I. The way open sodas, the way I. You know, the way I say. I. I went and got silverware So I get it.

[A]

That is rich coming from Mr. Air here, dear Near Mirror. That's rich. Literally, I can't say one of those words without you critiquing how I say it. So that's rich speaking.

[C]

Speaking of rich, tell me more about your childhood.

[A]

No, don't change the subject, bitch. Anyway, you literally make one of the

[C]

way I talk all the time. So I think. I think there's a. I think there's a. There's a common commonality here. Okay?

[A]

No one is saying that but you acting like you're just like you coming out free.

[C]

You think there's. You think there's a commonality here?

[A]

Commonality about the hairs on my balls? Commonality that.

[C]

Not the hairs. You're saying ears. We saying the ears or the. We saying the. Your balls can hear. I didn't know which one it was.

[A]

Okay, guys. Oh. So after talking to RuPaul, everyone's having their moment. RuPaul. And we found out that Sasha thinks that, like, Sasha's family is. Well, again, as queer people, we know this. A lot of us have this. Have this history with our families, whatever. But it is Christians to me. And again, as someone who I don't say I believe in a higher power. You know, there's a higher power. I believe in that stuff, but organized religion and people and I know these people.

[C]

Sound like you really believe in it.

[A]

Yeah, I don't know, because we talked about it so many times. This podcast, everyone knows where I am on that. But, like, people who are super religious, like, they really believe that people be like, you are going to go to hell because you suck dick or because you eat pussy and it's the same sex. Like, people truly believe that.

[C]

Well, I mean, I will be honest. It makes more sense for the people in my mind, the people who are Christian who believe that and the people who are Christian and don't believe it. Because in my mind, there's a real cognitive dissonance where you, like, listen to all the stuff in the Bible and you're like, no, but not that part. I don't believe that part. Everything else I believe, but not that. So you have to engage in some sort of cognitive dissonance in order to be a Christian and be like, well, I just think that all for me, in my opinion, that was my journey with Christianity. I just had to ignore big chunks of the Bible in order to justify still being a Christian. And he's like, well, that doesn't apply to me.

[A]

But the people who don't believe that stuff and this one woman in particular I follow on TikTok, she's a preacher. She's. She's the pastor. But she, you know, not. Does not believe on the. On the. On the gay stuff. And she. Because she, like, she goes into detail on her tik Tok, like, breaking the

[C]

mist translations and the.

[A]

Yeah. Like, it's. So it's not what the b. The Bible originally was saying that this is what people have translated into and what they have made it into. So people who normally believe that homosexuality is okay, they're like. They're looking at, like, the real text, not this fake we've made up over the past 2,000 years.

[C]

I think it's all fake shit. But I'm also not interested in.

[A]

In.

[C]

In giving validation to the Bible. It doesn't need me. The Bible's actually done quite well for itself without me. And it, in my. My words, will not harm the PR movement that is Christianity because it seems to be doing very, very well all on its own. But you are. You are right. It is. There are a lot of people who. Who think that you're going to go. I mean, I feel like. I don't know. I'm just not a Christian anymore. So it's really hard for me to be in that mindset because I haven't been a Christian for so long. But I do remember thinking that people would go to hell for doing certain things. That was, like, a really big part of my.

[A]

Oh, yeah, for sure, for sure.

[C]

Because you were. Because you were taught that at church.

[A]

Yeah. And then when. When Lucy. So Lucy goes to apologize to Selena for her behavior when they were picking the roles, whatever. And then, like, she's, like, crying. She's having this thing. And then she has this, like, really sharp turn. I'm like, does Lucy realize the cameras are on? And then. Why can't I see why, Miss? Why Missy mistress thinks she's being disingenuous because she, like, has this turn and she's like, I need to think more about myself. And, like. And, like, she just, like, cuts the tears off in, like, a real. It feels very weird. Like, watching this. Did you feel weird watching this scene? It felt like she was, like, putting on a little bit. Oh, my God. I was watching me and Andy. We both looked at each other like, does this bitch realize their cameras on her? Like, it felt like she was like, you know, I'm so sorry. Like, I need to be more selfless, and I'm really sorry with my behavior.

[C]

You know what?

[A]

I need to think more about myself. Tears were off. And she was like. I was like, this felt very strange.

[C]

Yeah. I mean, maybe she's just going through her whole. I don't. I do know that watching during the rehearsals, it looks like Lucy was enjoying watching Mr. Struggle. It looked like she was.

[A]

She was.

[C]

But that could have all been editing. Who knows? But it looked like every time the camera got back, Lucy was like, yeah, bitch. Yeah, bitch.

[A]

I was also talking about Selena, talking to Ru like, Selena. I mean, from the first world. Rue's like, selena, how you doing, Puddles? Puddles. Puddles the clown. Selena gets very emotional, and she kind of says to Ru how. She's like. She's like. She's often perceived like, she's not perceived as competition in this competition, and that feels bad to her. And she's neither this nor this or all these things. And Ru is like, stop. Ru's like, you are making all of these things up. He was like. He was like, just be the fierce you that you are. And I was like, honestly, sometimes you got.

[C]

It's.

[A]

It's really hard to shut down that noise zone. I know RuPaul is, of course, RuPaul Poppy struggles as well, but it's. Sometimes it's really hard to turn off that noise that. It's not even noise anyone can. That anyone else can hear. It's just your own shit. Your own literally, some ina saboteur shit. And I feel for Selena in this moment.

[C]

Yeah, she seems pretty upset, but she seems to gather together pretty quickly and get prepared for the. For the challenge when they start doing their rehearsals. And, I mean, I guess it kind of looks a little bit like mistress is struggling and looks a little bit like Anitra is struggling, But I didn't really think. I wasn't really concerned for them because they both seem to be pretty good dancers in the great scheme of things, you know?

[A]

Yeah. New York City. Yeah.

[C]

Welcome to city. During this makeup man. Okay. Mib is wild for this. This doocy bit. That was wild that I was like. I was like, if I was Lucy, I'd be like, I have to leave. This is crazy. They were like, yeah, I work with this one girl. Her name was Doocy. I feel like this is. This is. This is non stop. This is crazy.

[A]

Doocy the Duca. I mean, it's all in. It's all just a little shade. Or maybe. Maybe it's not a little shade anymore. It's medium shade at this point.

[C]

I think it's easy to say a little shade when it's not you. I think when it's not you. It's easy to be like. It's just a little shade, but it is.

[A]

Oh, for sure.

[C]

It is clearly affecting Lucy. Like, obviously. You know what I mean?

[A]

Yeah, yeah, go ahead.

[C]

And then they start talking about drag queen story hour a little bit.

[A]

Yeah, yeah. And they show a picture of a local sober queen here in la. Well, sorry, let me not say that. I forgot. I can't say that. But I think she's also on it. Anyway, they show a picture of a queen reading dragon story. And me. And you're like, oh, my God, it's Pickles. It was very nice to see her on tv.

[C]

You'll love her. You get down. You are out of silver. Qu is the last thing you do. Let's have a conversation about this rusical. This is one of the best rusical that has been on Drag Race in a very long time. This. I was watching with a couple of queers, and I think that we kind of agreed this is the best one since All Stars. Three women of the world. The one where. Where left to me, cake and Annie Oakley. It's the best one since then.

[A]

That's two.

[C]

No, that's three. Alaska one, too. Was it two?

[A]

It was two with Ginger Minj as two.

[C]

Okay.

[A]

Yes, two, because Alyssa Edwards was two.

[C]

Yeah, yeah, that was. That.

[A]

That was a.

[C]

An amazing. But this dude. I mean, everyone was good. It was. There was nothing. I can't think of anything bad to say about anyone's performance. Everyone killed. Every word, every step, every move, every dance. It was just amazing.

[A]

Also, I think also, too, the story was. Was. Was a story that made sense and was very easy to follow. I think sometimes, like. And, like, I think of, like, back to, like, Kardashian the Musical and some other ones. It's like sometimes the story is so. You're like, what. And what is the. The goal here at the end of the story? This was very well done, very well put together, and the story was nice to follow, which made it good to watch.

[C]

Maybe it's because they're just taking a successful play that already exists and just working around that, just kind of parodying that thing as opposed to. When it comes to Kardashians story, there is no end to it. And it's still. It's still ongoing. And they were. They were kind of creating it and molding it as it was happening. Maybe that's what it is, you know? Yeah. Oh, the one last season.

[A]

Moulin Rouge is very good too.

[C]

I didn't love Moulin Rouge. I don't think it was bad, but I didn't love it. Like, I think some of my favorite musicals are Wig Loose. I like the Women of History. I liked. Perfect. I liked. Those are my favorite ones, probably. How about you? Madonna was also, I think.

[A]

Yeah, I think Madonna was really good. Madonna was really good. Mulan Ru was really good. This one's really good. And Women of the World. I mean, Women of the World was good. I wouldn't say it was one of my favorites, though.

[C]

And,

[A]

yeah, that's probably it for me. Oh, Season six with a door. The ballet. It wasn't a rusical, but it was before they were calling it rusicals.

[C]

Oh, and stuff.

[A]

Very good.

[C]

Never seen a title, that one.

[A]

Yes. And that was very good. That was a very good musical.

[C]

I have to go back and watch it. I don't remember much.

[A]

I go back and watch it. Yeah. Yeah.

[C]

One of my favorite ones was when they did Rats. Oh, I couldn't stand that one. They did it in the uk.

[A]

Oh, I didn't see. I don't remember. I saw it.

[C]

It was the Cats parody. That one drove me nutty. A squirrel turd, Truly. I don't know what it was about that one. I don't know what it was about that one. I just did not. Oh, that was. That one was tough on me. Also. The voices on the. The people singing in those. They were singing. I was like, y' all better. Y' all work. This is. They were. It just sounded so good. I was so gagged.

[A]

Yeah, they were really, really good. You know, on Season All Stars 4, everybody say love. That's Lizzo. Yeah, on our side.

[C]

And the other one. And the other one, too. She did both of them.

[A]

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. So shall we go over everyone? I think Lucy, off the bat. Lucy.

[C]

Well, let's start with RuPaul and the judges.

[A]

Oh, well, we're not. We're talking about their Runway looks already. We were not on the Runway yet.

[C]

We can talk about their Runway and their performances time simultaneously. I think I'm down, so I think.

[B]

Okay.

[C]

This dress is so cute. This. This, like.

[A]

I fucking love it.

[C]

Seatbelt or straps or whatever the hell it is. It looks really great.

[A]

It looks like an Herve bandana dress, but I don't. I don't think it's Hervey, but it's great. This is. I want this dress. I fucking want this dress. It looks so cool.

[C]

And I mean, don't tell Ross Matthews, but. I mean, don't tell Selena, but I really like Ross's outfit, too.

[A]

Yeah, I think Ross. Ross having that pussy bow, that zebra pimp pussy bow. It's very cute with this, like, wedged Chelsea boot. I think she looks cute.

[C]

Yeah, Everyone looks great. Michelle looks like Orville is hot. Michelle looks like the dance emoji, the dancing emoji. And Orville Redenbacher looks. I mean, Orville Pick.

[A]

He looks so cute. I love that he. This like stone flames. Having the stones flamed under the hat was a nice touch. He looks great.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

Looks really good.

[C]

Lucy Laduca, I hated her outfit, but I know that was on her. I hated. I hated. Actually, I hated most of their outfits. They were. Most of the outfits were just so bad. I know they had nothing to do with them, but every time I looked at the outfit was just. It was just. It was upsetting. It was very upsetting. Why would she dress like a kid? Because In Footloose, Randy McCormick isn't dressed like a child. Okay. So Kevin Bacon's character name is Ren McCormick. Ren McCormick isn't dressed like a child. Like, why is he dressed like. Like why is Lucy dressed like. Like, you know, bananas and pajamas or whatever it is. The big comfy couch. I hated that.

[A]

I've never seen Footloose, so I don't have no. I have no idea.

[C]

He wears jeans and a T shirt. Jeans and a white T shirt. And then holds a walkman and wears headphones. Yeah.

[A]

I don't know. But I think the outfits were fine. It didn't bother me too much. And I think Lucy's performance was incredible. And she was on. She was in it for like pretty much the entire time, which. Which opens yourself up to falter more times and to have some mistakes and not once. Her lip sync was perfect. Her accent was great. I thought Lucy fucking. She killed it.

[C]

I agree. I honestly think that she was the best person for this role. I really. Looking at it, I don't think that.

[A]

Yeah, Lux.

[C]

I think that. I actually think that maybe what's her name could have done this role as well.

[A]

Selena for sure.

[C]

Selena could have done this role as well. But I do think that Lucy is watching it all out. I think that Lucy was more fit for this role personally.

[A]

Yeah. Which was so funny because they were arguing her that she doesn't really see herself in it. And she was like, yes, I do. Like, these are the things. And mistress and Alexa kind of be like. But do you really, though? I think that's more me. So.

[C]

Yeah. They're like, it's not. You just say. Just say you want to win the challenge. And I was like, this is wild. That being said, I do not like this look. And she was like. She's like, I designed the whole thing. And I was like, don't stop. Tell anyone that. This is not the look of this thing.

[A]

That shit looks like that. She put the scaly looking things at her midsection. Why the fuck would you do that? Also, and she gonna do the web hand thing. She should have. They should have made sure because it's web, but there are pockets of air between the fingers. It makes it look weird. It should have been, like, pressed or melted in the middle to make it look more like an amphibian.

[C]

I would have actually done mesh in the webbing.

[A]

Yeah, that. Or that.

[C]

Yeah. No, I, I, I, I do not like this look. And it's. It doesn't look good. It looks like it doesn't look good. And also, I feel like no matter. I feel like no matter what, she. With the exception of her Nosferatu look, she almost always wears the same hair and makeup. It's like, it's just. It always is, like, the same quaffed hair. She'll just put it on any looks. I'm like, girl, if you're the creature from the blue lagoon, then be the creature from the blue lagoon. You know what I mean?

[A]

Yeah. Wet hair or something. You know what I mean? Like, it's just. It was not great. And, yeah, I just. I hated this so much. And I feel like. Anyway, I feel like if she would have had a better Runway look, she could have won the challenge, because she, to me, she was her and Misha's were the bet. Anyway, we'll get there. We'll get there. We'll get there. Continue.

[C]

So let's go on to Anetra.

[A]

Anetra.

[C]

As we were watching Anetra performance, I was like, anetra's gonna win. As we were watching, she was doing a good job. But it was also the editing. I was like, anetra's gonna win. And everyone was like, huh? I'm telling you right now. I know this editing. Anitra is going to win because they're here. Before they kept really. They kept cutting back to the judges looking like, like, like, they kept cutting back, the judge doing that. And I mean. And I do think Anitra actually did a good job. I do think she did a good job, though. But it was. It also was kind of weird, like, like, why were they trying to, like, the choreographer was trying to, like, stress Nitra out and was like, I know you have a ballet But I'm gonna teach you some choreography right now. Like, the same choreography that everyone else has learned, but you need to learn it right now. And I was like, okay.

[A]

Yeah. I thought Anisha did a good job too. Again, no one was bad. I thought she did a good job, but I did not think that. Again, one more time. Anisha was great, but it wasn't the best. You know what I mean? And I think this Runway look like the category was like, glove yourself, whatever it is. I think that everybody say gloves. Everybody said gloves. We could have been a little more inventive with this outfit. Like, the outfit is fine, but I think Anitra has served us some really dope looks this season. And for a glove Runway, I was expecting something a little more, like, fiercer.

[C]

This. I think she looks good. This is very in line with what Anetra's been wearing the whole season.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

And I. I don't think the gloves are the focus of this outfit, which. But to be fair, I don't. I don't feel that way for most of these looks, and I think. So the short answer. Does she look good? Yes. Is it about the gloves? Not really.

[A]

Yeah. And, you know, I. Yeah, I. I'm sure she's wearing creepy. Creepy. Yeha. That. That Chicago designer. And.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

And again, Anita. But Anitra always looks good, so I was just expecting something a little more, you know, give me a little more pizzazz, Ms. Anitra, but a little more lovely.

[C]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[A]

Let's go on to.

[C]

On to Mistress Isabelle Brooks. And I have. I have an outfit almost just like this, which is kind of crazy.

[B]

Actually.

[A]

I'm. Patrick Howell. Probably made this one. Did Patrick how. Made your other one?

[C]

Yeah. Patrick how. Made mine? Because there's probably, you know, again, I, I. It just doesn't seem like it's really about the gloves. Like, it doesn't. It doesn't. I mean, she looks stunning, and she did really well in the challenge as well. But I just would not see this. I think to myself, it's about them. It's all about the gloves. You know what I mean?

[A]

But I saw the fantasy that these were part of the glove. Like, in her walk, when she was running her own way, she was like, I have these puffy. She said, I have these puffy sleeve gloves. So I think the. The puffs are supposed to be part of the gloves.

[C]

She said, it looks like these puffs are part of the gloves, which is what she said, which I thought was very interesting phrasing. It looks like These puffs are part of their gloves. But when I looked at it, it just. It just looked like a shawl. It looked like a shawl.

[A]

Yeah, I agree.

[C]

And then. And it looks like she's trying to sell us as part of the glove where she knows it's not and we know it's not

[A]

in the challenge. I think that Mistress fucking nailed it. Like, Lucy. I think that Lucy and Mistress were the best in the challenge. They were so good. Her first opening number was so dynamic. She was nailing the lip sync. All her little things she did on stage. I thought it was so well done. And having. Again, we didn't really understand why her character turned into. And her character just like, okay, but it's Drag Race. It's such a challenge. Like, we get it.

[C]

Well, that's kind of. They were kind of doing a nod to Hairspray, and you can't stop the beats at the end of Hairspray, for those of you who don't know. At the end of Hairspray, basically, they just. Everyone asks the villains to be like, join us. And they're like, okay. And then they join. It's kind of like the whole bit, it seemed like that was what they were going for, which I didn't mind, because it's a nod to Broadway. But I agree. Mistress was very good. She was incredible.

[A]

It really was. And I know they were like, oh, Monet, we get you. Like, Mistress. I'm trying to be as objective as I can be. She just a great job. What do y' all want from me? Like, it's not my fault. She's doing a good job anyways. But that being said, I agree. I mean, she did put the. Let me tell you, a Southern pageant will take some. Some. Some. Some fierce drag jewels and have them dangle over their hand and give you a Southern pageant. Love that shit. I love it. I want to start doing that.

[C]

I'm gonna.

[A]

Every look at now, I'm gonna just have a plate full of just. It's dripping in sequin. Just holding it.

[C]

You should ask Mrs. To be a drag mom.

[A]

Anyway, up next, she'd have you London Noir.

[C]

This is a really creative take on Gloves. I love that she has these cast. Also, do you realize that this is literally the wig from Michelle from the Destiny Child puppets?

[A]

Oh, my God. It sure is.

[C]

This is literally that.

[A]

That.

[C]

That wig, which is.

[A]

It works so perfectly. It works so perfectly.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

It's a really dope tape on take on gloves. Not. Not anything I would ever think of doing or I think it's so smart, so cute. And I love this look. This, like, alt Hot Topic bitch. I think she looks fucking great. I love this look.

[C]

She looks incredible, you know, with two broken arms. I love this. This is really, really fun. She looks amazing. This is great. I love this.

[A]

Yeah, yeah. And the challenge, I thought, again, I thought Luxx was good. I thought she did a good job. I love the little Madonna look at the end. I thought that was very cute. One of the looks that I enjoyed in the show.

[C]

But her and Selena, I think. I think they had, like. I don't think these looks were brought by the girls. I think that these looks were provided for them for sure. But I did love all of them doing their. Their. Their, like, their imagination looks.

[A]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[C]

They were very cute.

[A]

It was good.

[C]

And she did a good job in the chat. I mean, everyone did a good job. Everyone did a really good job. Let's go to. To Selena Estiddies, who I thought was great in the challenge. I really loved her performance.

[A]

Good.

[C]

She really ate that up.

[A]

Yeah. I would put her, like, mistress and Lucy were the best. Selena was, like, right under there. And to your point, I think that if Selena had Lucy's role, she would have shut it down too. She was. Selena was very good. Like, even, like, I would catch herself in little moments when the camera wasn't. Was on someone else, but she's in the corner. She would like. Like, she was always in it, always acting in the role. And I thought. I thought she did a great job.

[C]

Yeah, I agree. She. She great. She embodied her character in and out of drag really nicely. I was into it. I do not love this look on the Runway. I. I don't understand why the. It's a face. It's a face. Are those. Are the gloves the ears?

[A]

No, I think the gloves are just supposed to be gloves for the sake of being gloves. But when I saw a glove so big, I thought maybe she was doing, like, some, like, weird take. When she just came out the corner, I thought she was doing, like, a weird take on him. You know, him from Powerpuff Girls. I thought maybe it was going to be that, but. Yeah, I don't love this look so much as either. What?

[C]

Can you do him impersonation one more time?

[A]

Why is that funny?

[C]

I don't know. Something about that was funny. It doesn't really sound like him. I'm also not great at impersonations. Also, his voice is, like, echoey. He's like Powerpuff Girls.

[A]

Oh, yeah.

[C]

But it also echoes you Were doing the plan from. But he goes, I have a question for you. But it also has a filter on it anyway.

[A]

Honestly, he was one of the original queer icons. Him was such a faggot. I fucking used to love him. And I remember watching as a kid knowing that him was a little different. And now as an adult, I know why. And I realized, oh, my God, him was probably, like, one of my first queer awakenings. I was like, that's cool. That's fair. Is this man in heels?

[C]

Oh. And him was doing pronouns before anyone was saying the him set up front. My pronouns are he, him.

[A]

Let's go on. Last to Sasha, Kobe. We gotta talk about this look. This was such a smart and cool way to do gloves. I love this outfit so much.

[C]

This is the best. I will say this. Out of all the looks, this is the only look that I would be like the. The cat is the category gloves. This is the only one that I. Is it gloves? Because although Selena did, I feel like I'm more focused on the face on her body than I am on the gloves of Selena. This is the only one to me that screams, this is about gloves.

[A]

And this is so dope.

[C]

This is the best look on the Runway, in my humble opinion. It looks so cool. It looks like something you see in a magazine. Like, it is so cool.

[A]

It's so cool. I. The only thing I. I was looking at her eye makeup. I don't know why she brought her eye makeup so far down above under her eye. I was like, bitch, she is bringing. She is doing this smoky eye down to her dimples. I was like, why is it so low? But big black eyes. But I. You talking about me. Smudges and circles.

[B]

This is.

[A]

This is queen smudges and circles. But I. I love this glove look. I thought it was so cool. I want to wear this. She looks sexy. She looks hot. I love this outfit.

[C]

I agree. And I thought in the challenge, she was great. I love that she played a man in the challenge that was. I mean, everyone played a man in the challenge, but she played the bushes of all the men. Well, not everyone. Mistress didn't, and neither did Anitra.

[A]

No, Anitra.

[C]

Mistress and Anitra. Yeah, but I love that she. Yeah, she was really funny, and she. She. I hid in her dress, but it wasn't her fault.

[A]

It was like, that green dress, right?

[C]

Oh, God of mercy. I would have been mad if I was. I'm like, we gotta fix this, mama. We gotta fix this.

[A]

It took me back to old Bob, The Drag Queen 2 dress, honey. That's what I was getting.

[C]

It was not great, but she looks great here, and she was great in the challenge. What's your favorite look of the night?

[A]

Oh, Sasha for sure. This is great. I mean, Luxx is a close second. I really like Luxus too, but this is just so fierce. And my least favorite, Lucy. That outfit is so fucking ugly.

[C]

Same, same. I agree. And I just was gabby. She was like. And I designed this from head to toe. I was like,

[A]

well, Bob, she brings the Drag Race. She thinks it looks really good.

[C]

I understand that. And listen, I get. I was on Drag Race wearing some crazy questionable stuff too. In my defense, it was.

[A]

It was.

[C]

But. But I think because of that perspective, we are allowed and we have a grand understanding of what it means to wear very nice clothes and what it means to wear very crummy clothes.

[A]

Now we gotta get to the who should go home and why. This was a good one. We get this question every season, but sometimes they're dramatic, sometimes they're not. This was so dramatic, and I lived for every moment of it.

[C]

Who should go home? Y porque? Um, it was. It was definitely wild. And as. So just. I want to go down the line, say who said who. Lucy said Selena. Anitra said Selena. Mistress said Sasha. Lux said Lucy. Selena said Lucy. And Sasha said luck. Lucy.

[A]

Yes. And every time someone says Selena.

[C]

Lucy. And three Selenas.

[A]

Every time someone says Selena, you know, Selena was like, just giving them the eye to shoot a face. And you know what? And it's tough being the first person, right? But I think that, you know, if I was there, I. Cuz when they say, I'm going to send my biggest competition, I'm like, boo, Give us, like, the answer.

[C]

That's a answer. That's a boring answer. During they admitted that it was diplomatic to answer that way. They're like, I was just trying to give a diplomatic answer, and I just wanted to go ahead and be different. They kind of admitted that. And I can't believe they let Sasha get away with saying two names. I cannot believe they let Sasha get away with saying two names. That is wild to me because Sasha said Luxx and Loosey. And I cannot believe they weren't like, no, no, no, no, no, we need one. I'm gagging that, actually.

[A]

But because she was so diplomatic, it was not gonna be juicy anyway. So it was like, okay, whatever, you know? But I do think that if she.

[C]

If they were to make her say one, it could have got at least a little bit juicy. But I'm really gay to let her

[A]

get away with that.

[C]

I do not like sending home a big. That's just such a cop out answer. And we know.

[A]

We know what we.

[C]

And we know why you're saying that. Like, we know why you know. You know why you're saying it. We know why you're saying it. Let's. Let's all stop pretending here.

[A]

Fucking Lux. Going down the down the down. A dissertation for every girl. I was like, this is going to work. I. And then landing on Lucy.

[C]

Well, it was the way she said it. She gave everyone compliments. And then Lucy was like. And Lucy's good at what she does. However.

[A]

So good. So good.

[C]

Did you make it to this one? Did you ever do this on your. On your.

[A]

I did. This is when everyone said the vixen, I think.

[C]

Is that who you said?

[A]

I don't remember. I don't remember. I don't remember.

[C]

Was this when the vixen was lip syncing against Mohart and did that. She did that cartwheel? The legendary cartwheel.

[A]

Yeah. Or maybe. Yeah, I think so. Yeah, yeah.

[C]

It was a mermaid episode. I remember. I remember now. I remember because that's when. When Eureka and the vixen got to the argument on. On the main stage dressed like mermaids on the main stage.

[A]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[C]

That was. That was a wild1. On five season, everyone said either chichi or Derek.

[A]

What did you say?

[C]

I said.

[A]

I think I said Derek, and that's why Derek don't like you to be funny.

[C]

Compare all black girls said Derek, and everyone else said Chichi.

[A]

All the black girls, you chichi and who?

[C]

Naomi Smalls. Oh, my.

[A]

Oh, my God. Because Naomi was not in the top of the bottom that week, Right? Wasn't they going to be safe? You are so dramatic and so extra.

[C]

I can't. I can't, I cannot. Naomi, I want to validate your blackness.

[A]

So anyway, she doesn't need you to validate her blackness. She's good.

[C]

She doesn't need you to invalidate. Who do you think should go home? Who do you think should go. Who do you think should go home?

[A]

If I was there, I would have said Selena. She doesn't have any wins and she's lip sync the most times. And. Yeah, that's what I would have said. Who'd you have said?

[C]

I would have said explaining too. But the reason you said is basically what Lucy said then for some reason, Lucy was like, Selena was not gonna let. Of all the girls, three girls said her name. She was like, I'm gonna zero in on you. But I think it's because earlier in that day, the trauma.

[A]

Dom.

[C]

Lucy. Lucy confided in her, and she was like, okay, yeah, I'm here for you, girl. And then she was like, and I would like to send you home.

[A]

So that's shady.

[C]

How would I feel if I was? If. But also, I mean, is that shady if that's her real opinion? Like, if. I think. If I. If I'm your friend. Like, part of me is like, yeah, we're friends, but also, like, I don't think you. I don't think that someone else should go home over you just because you let me tell you about my trauma. Is that shady?

[A]

I would be like, yes. I'd be like. Cause you're like, I'm so happy you're here for me. I'm happy with sisters, and we're in this together. And I'd be like, but you should go home. Cause you suck. That's shady. Then don't come and. Don't come and talk to me, bitch.

[C]

I don't think that Lucy says she sucks, but obviously.

[A]

But tell me I should go home and that you don't think I should win a competition. Like, you want me to leave. Like, that's shady.

[C]

But then also to be. I don't think it's shady, because to be fair, it's not like. It's not like Lucy just offered this information of her own the way that Mistress did in the. In the untucked Mistress was like, well, what I said on stage was. Was. Was Sasha, but actually it should be you, Lucy. And that was completely unprovoked, unnecessary. There was no reason to say it. No one asked. No one asked. She just was just like, I just want you to know that I told RuPaul, and you know I'm telling the truth. She goes, I want you to know that I told RuPaul that it should be Sasha, but in reality, I think it should be you. And then she goes, I'm just kidding. Like, what the fuck is going? Like, what is happening?

[A]

I will say it's making. This is making it spicy, though, as Vic is giving us good untuck, good tv.

[C]

So, like, unprovoked, out of nowhere, not asked. No one even asked her this. But then I. You know, I actually think that Lucy answered it in a really honest way. I think that Lucy did not, you know, pull. Well, you let me borrow this shirt. You know what I mean? She. She just straight up said, I don't think you're doing as well, not based on my critiques. Based on the judge's critique, I think you have received the worst critiques. That's another thing. Lucy didn't say you're doing the worst. She said she's received the worst critiques.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

She didn't say, I think you're doing poorly. She said, the judges think you're doing poorly. And therefore, based on their judgment of you, I think you should go home.

[A]

Yeah, I agree. I think Lucy answered it in a very diplomatic way. That wasn't diplomatic.

[C]

Actually, it wasn't diplomatic. I think what the other girls doing was diplomatic. It was pageantry. What Sasha and Mistress were doing sit on my biggest competition. That was diplomacy and pageantry. And I think that what Lucy did was actually the most earnest, honest answer.

[A]

I guess that's true. Well, you know what? Listen, she entire episode, she's kind of been. But again, I think this is. We kind of just look at this. This episode does not exist in a vacuum. There have been other episodes before this where Lucy has exhibited behavior that has rub people the wrong way. And this is. This is. This.

[C]

This is a.

[A]

This is. This is a building up to this point. Like, she has been having this rapport with these girls for the past 10 weeks.

[B]

No.

[A]

So what happens? However many weeks? So it's not that you just happen overnight. This is. This is a long time coming. So, you know, she can't be upset about it because this is her relationship she's built with these girls, this rapport.

[C]

But who can't be upset about it?

[A]

Lucy or Lucy?

[C]

Well, she can be upset about it.

[A]

I mean, sure, she can be upset about it, but as if you're watching it. Like, I. I understand that this has been building up, like, every week she's kind of had this discourse with these girls.

[C]

Yeah, I guess so. I mean, it doesn't make it less upsetting, you know?

[A]

No, sure. She can be up as soon as she wants.

[C]

Everyone thinks I'm faking.

[A]

So the bottom two end up being.

[C]

Are you frozen, Bob? No, you were.

[A]

You're back now. You're back now. You're back now.

[C]

Yeah, I would have been. I would have been like. I mean, she didn't. And she didn't seem to be. Like, why? Like, Anitra said her. Anitra said Selena and Mistress says Selena.

[A]

Did Selena.

[C]

I wrote that down.

[A]

I don't think so.

[C]

Oh, no.

[A]

Mistress did not say Selena.

[C]

Sorry, Sorry. No, no, no. Lux said Lucy. Selena said Lucy. Wait, I wrote that. Mistress said Selena.

[A]

What?

[C]

Did I write that down?

[A]

Mistress did not say Selena.

[C]

No, I wrote Sasha. Never mind. Sorry. So let me. The names look so similar. Sasha. Selena look similar when I write them down. Lucy said Selena. Anitra said Selena. Mistress said Sasha.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

Said Lucy. Selena said Lucy. And then Sasha said Lucy. And Lux.

[A]

Yeah. Yeah.

[C]

That was what happened.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

So.

[A]

So now when RuPaul chooses the bottom two, do you think that's why Lucy ended up there? Because Lucy's performance was so good.

[B]

She.

[A]

In my opinion, there is no fucking way she should have been in the bottom at all. She did a great job in it, in the chat, in the challenge.

[C]

Well, I do think everyone did a good job. I don't think Lucy did a. Did a particularly great job, but Lucy also had a particularly bad Runway.

[A]

Yeah. Yeah. I think this is. I think it's one of those instances where the runways really do matter, and Selena and Lucy have the worst runways.

[C]

Bada bing, bada boom. As they say in New York City. I'm from New York City, so no

[A]

one says, I'm New York City. I don't have glaciers.

[C]

Bada boom. I'm in New York City. And I said, I'm in New York City. And I said, bada bimbo. I mean, I'm literally in New York City. And I said, bada bing, bada boom.

[A]

So we approve it. Go outside and buy and go to the corner store. Prove it.

[C]

I'll be back. And I'm back.

[A]

First of all, that comes in your room. I know exactly what are you at? So don't try it. Try these nuts, and they're salty. Like, Like, Like. Like them chips.

[C]

Anyway, so we found at the bottom two are Lucy and Selena. And, you know, I don't think anyone crushed the other one in this lip sync.

[A]

It's. This song, to me is giving very, very Boy's mind, is very middle of the road. And yes, it's a very popular song because of Stranger Things, but, like, it's not a song that, like. Like, has, like, a big payoff. Like, it's kind of. It stays very mid. So this. This may be a hard one to listen to. But that being said, when Selena did the Hand Reveals, I thought that was at least something and something a little fun. But I think at this point, the judges were like, this is your fourth time, and I don't think it's going to work out.

[C]

I was watching. I came. Someone was like, isn't Kate Bush dead? I was like, no, no, not at all. Kate Bushes is very much alive, and she's not that old. She's in her 60s, she's not that old. Not that you have to be over 60 to die, but anyway, I think

[A]

that does help, though.

[C]

It doesn't hurt. It certainly doesn't hurt.

[A]

It actually does, being 60 hertz to die.

[C]

Well, that's peaceful ways of allegedly. What do we know? None of us have died. Well, there's someone out there. If you've died. If you've died. If you've died as Winnie Williams has put your hand. I don't know what you're agreeing to. I want to hear the thing before I start shaking your hand. Put your hand down. You want to shake your hand before I hear what you're about to say.

[A]

Can you give me a death pact that we're going to try our best to die at the same time?

[C]

Absolutely not. Why? I don't want to try to die at the same time as you. What if you're rushing off to it? What if you want. What if you're the head in there quicker than me? I mean, I don't know what my death will be, but I just have this feeling that I'm going to live, like, way longer than I need to. Like, I have this feeling I'm going to be, like, so old and so in pain and so raggedy and so broken down, and I feel like, around, like, 10 years before I die, I'm going to be like, I should have died 10 years ago, and then another 10 years, and then I'll die. That's what I feel for me.

[A]

Remember when you went to that thing when you wanted to record your death video or whatever it is every year to be played at your funeral or some weird shit?

[C]

Stop putting my business out on the street. This is never public information.

[A]

You talked about it on the podcast. Yes, you did. You absolutely did. We'll see.

[C]

And maybe I have recorded my video.

[A]

No. Cause you would ask me to be in it.

[C]

No. It's gonna be a solo video. It's not a podcast. Bitch, record your own video. It's not a podcast. You think I want to argue with you in my last video I ever put out? You think I want to be arguing with your black ass in my last video I put out, bitch.

[A]

Wow. First of all, I'm not black and brown.

[C]

Not one of those. I'm not African American.

[A]

I'm American edit Oprah. When people say that to me, middle school aces, they're like, you're black. What the are you talking about? Nah, I'm not black. I'm brown.

[C]

My idea to anyone who's Listening. Who doesn't know? My idea was that I was going to every year record a video and have it scheduled to release on, like, January 1st. And it's going to say, if you're watching this video, I'm already dead. But then every year, I don't die. I'll just reset the video. And then every couple of years, I'll probably do a new one. I don't think I need to do one every year. I think I can do it every couple of years. Every five years, maybe.

[A]

Bob, the amount of things that happen in the span of a year, you would have to do it every year. So much happens in your life and your career.

[C]

I'm not recapping. It's not a recap of my life. It's just like a thank you so much for everyone who's supported me throughout my career and my life. It's not like a. And then this year, I did this.

[A]

Who gets to release it? Can I release it? I want to put it on. No, I'm put on my YouTube.

[C]

It's on my YouTube page. And it is scheduled to be released on the 1st of January every year.

[A]

Bob.

[C]

Who?

[A]

Why? No, I want to monetize it.

[C]

You can't, Monet. I think I've given you enough. Nepo baby.

[A]

Bitch. Nepo baby. Anyway, so Selena is titties, loses the lip sync, and she goes home. But, you know, there's always All Stars. Like, you can't.

[C]

Like, according. According to. According to that Ross video. There might not be. She said.

[A]

Right?

[C]

Did she say. What does it say? Fuck you, faggot. What do you know about fashion?

[A]

I think, yeah, fuck that faggot. It's a little harsh, but, you know, anything can happen.

[C]

Yeah. People have been much harsher to the judges and RuPaul and still made it back. I don't know.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

But anyway, long story short, Selena has gone home. Anitra won the challenge. I don't think that. I don't think that Lucy crushed her in the lip sync, but I. But I do think that it was time for Lucy, for us, for Selena, to go home.

[A]

Yeah. And that leaves only five girls.

[C]

Bob.

[A]

Bob, where are we in theory? I think we're two episodes away from the finale, which I cannot wait to see.

[C]

Didn't see the 14 have a top five.

[A]

Yes, they did.

[C]

Maybe it's next.

[A]

Maybe.

[C]

Maybe next week's the finale. We don't.

[A]

I know. Who knows?

[C]

I would like to go back to a top three format. That would be. That would be nice for me.

[A]

I Hope. Here's my hopes. I hope it's top three, and I hope it's similar to what it did last season where you get to prepare a number. Like last season. The finale performances were so fucking good. It was so entertaining to watch. Scene. And people got everything.

[C]

They got.

[A]

They got prepared numbers and. And there was a final lip sync for the finals one. So I would really like them to go back to prepare numbers. Like, I remember the one. One that really sticks my mind is diabetes. Number was so good. When she did that outfit, and when she went down, it flipped into those feathers, and it looked like she was like some type of alien cre. Like, I really, really, really hope we get to do that next year. I really hope so. I mean, this year for the. For the finale, it was good. I believe that. But maybe if they do that.

[C]

Baby, if they do that. Look, right now, people already. No one can. If People already think that no one can touch Sasha if they get to make their own numbers. Sasha's going to fucking.

[A]

Oh, my God. That sound is so. I can't. Colleen is reacting. Colleen is reacting.

[C]

Yeah. No, it is. She's going to. Y' all just go watch Sasha Kobe's Miss Continental performances. They're just bananas.

[A]

I think the person who will give her a run for money is Mistress Isabelle Brooks. Mistress Isabelle Brooks is from a legendary family. They are all pageant dominators. And they're probably all going to put their minds together and create, like, that's why I hope that. I hope we get to see that so we see what these girls can go home and create. Like said, really dope stuff. So we'll see.

[C]

Mistress Isabelle. Mistress is a runner up is what she is.

[A]

You know what? Sasha. Sasha Colby. Sasha could be the loser. Know that.

[C]

Well, Lux London. Lux loser.

[A]

Nobody. Lucy. Lucy Luca. Lucy Luzer. Okay,

[C]

Ross Matthews. That. All right, we're done.

[A]

That video is wild. Okay. Sorry, we can't. We can't go outside the video. I can't. I can't. That's wild. Anyway, Bob, this has been such a nice time talking with you. I hope that your journey in New York City is fun, and I want to leave this podcast on a light, happy note. I love you so much, you.

[C]

Fuck you. First of all, let me just. Let me end it on my note. My note is E above high C. No, listen.

[A]

Above high C, E flat.

[C]

What? I'm going. What? I'm going to. Today's the last day of my. I was gonna try to do a bearded. A bearded drag look, but I didn't get a chance to get my beard shaped up. I wanted to get my beard. I don't know. I'm telling you what I was gonna do. If I'm not gonna do it. I wanted to go to someone to get my beard cut. It's like a really interesting look. And then do some, like, crazy Kizhakkara, Danny beard drag look. But I'm shaving tomorrow for the. For me and Pep's comedy show.

[A]

Oh, work. I would have come to see your comedy show. You don't ever invite me or tell me anything. I would have come.

[C]

Well, you know, you just saw me do comedy in New York City, like, literally. Yeah.

[A]

And it was tired. I'm kidding. It was actually great. You're so great. I love you so much. See how nice I am? I'm so nice.

[C]

That's you. That's you. Be you, then.

[A]

I have to go. I can't wear these utensils. Everyone have a good night. Thank you for coming out tonight. Thank you all for coming out tonight. My name is Monet X. Change. Stick around for Bob the Dragon and Peppermint. Y' all have a good night. Thank you so much. Thank you.

[C]

Stick around like it's the next show.

[A]

Goodbye.

[B]

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