Sibling Watchery: RuPaul's Drag Race S17 E5 "RDR Live!"

Summary

Podcast Summary: Sibling Watchery – RuPaul’s Drag Race S17 E5 “RDR Live!”

Date: February 5, 2025
Hosts: Monét X Change & Bob the Drag Queen
Guest: Plasma (Season 16 queen, RDR Live! challenge winner)

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Episode Overview

This episode of “Sibling Watchery” recaps and critiques RuPaul's Drag Race Season 17, Episode 5, featuring the fan-favorite "RDR Live!" challenge—a Drag Race parody of Saturday Night Live. Bob, Monét, and guest Plasma (herself a past RDR Live! champion) dissect the queens’ performances in live sketch comedy, the nuances of comedic drag, runway looks, and the shifting cast dynamics. True to form, the episode is equal parts insightful, shady, and side-splittingly funny.

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Major Discussion Points & Insights

1. RDR Live! Challenge – Comedy Acting Under Pressure

• Plasma’s Experience: Plasma shares her own RDR Live! win and how live parody pushes queens to balance camp, nuance, and one-take pressure.

  "It was fully live, fully one take. And that was it. Unless something went horribly wrong." (15:46 – Plasma)

• Casting Drama: The queens self-cast with little fighting, except minor pushback from Lana and Harmona, which fizzled quickly.
• Understanding Comedy: Both the hosts and Plasma repeatedly note how many queens misunderstand the “subtlety” required for sketch comedy, often pushing too hard for camp or physical gags.

2. Character Choices, “Delusion,” & The Pretty Girl Complex

• Delusional Narratives: Bob calls out the “delusion” among the pretty girls this season, especially those convinced Crystal should have won the last challenge despite clear standouts.

  "No, these girls are delusional." (07:13 – Bob)

• The “Pretty Girl vs. Booger Girl” Schism:
  • Susie, Anya, and Lydia consistently dominate the challenges with prep and execution, while “pretty girls” expect to sail on looks alone.
  • Prediction: "Susie's going to be in the bottom with one of the pretty girls, and she's going to send them home, and they're really going to gag." (11:21 – Bob)

3. Directorial Choices & Comedy Theory

• News Anchor Parodies: Bob and Plasma criticize the misinterpretation of SNL's Weekend Update, explaining that it requires comedy restraint—not hammy, forced “news anchor” voices.

  "The Weekend Update desk is so funny. And if you can deliver dry... cold, dead jokes straight to camera, it's a skill." (20:44 – Plasma)

• Physical Comedy & Drag: The hosts warn against relying solely on "shaking a breastplate" or physical gags for humor, citing queens like Jimbo as counter-examples who infuse jokes with nuance.

  "There’s more nuance to it than just my boobs are shaking, you know?" (26:10 – Bob)

• Banana & Straight Man Dynamic: Susie, as RuPaul’s babysitter, nails the sketch by grounding the scene, providing comedic balance to over-the-top "Weekend Update" co-anchors.

4. Runway Roundup: Pink, Padded & Problematic

• Highs:
  • Arietti: “Absolutely fantastic… not a single missed anything.” (52:07 – Bob)
  • Jules: “Jules ate the girls up on the runway.” (61:01 – Bob)
  • Susie Tooth: Unique, clown-inspired vintage look is called “on brand,” setting her apart as a possible future winner.

    "I think we're looking at the winner of Drag Race Season 17." (63:56 – Bob)

• Lows:
  • Corey King: Looks "short" despite being tall, described as “brunch attire” rather than main stage ready.
  • Crystal Envy: Bob: “I hate this… I do not want to see it.” (59:29)
  • Butthole: Messy construction of a “giant dick” coat, with tiny balls and visible reveals—“poor execution” and “not a good look.”
• Color Theory: Panel laments the overuse of pale pink without contrast; encourages monochromatic looks with depth.

5. Cast Dynamics, Lore & Identity

• Transitioning & Work:
  • Lexi Love’s discussion of navigating her transition at her day job is spotlighted as authentic and important representation.
• Religious Drag Queens:
  • Both hosts express discomfort around pious queens praying on TV, questioning sincerity and relevance to drag (13:03–14:24).

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Drag Delusion:
  “[Joella] was delusional. No, these girls are delusional.” (07:13 – Bob)
• Nailing Subtlety in Comedy:
  “The Weekend Update desk is so funny. And if you can deliver dry... cold, dead jokes straight to camera, it’s a skill.” (20:44 – Plasma)
• On the judging panel’s transformation:
  “If you guys forgot, go back and look at Michelle during Season Four. You will gag at her transformation.” (50:01 – Bob)
• Bob on Piggy slang:
  “The gentrification of pigdom is really fascinating to me… But now piggy is like, ‘I’m eating.’” (44:32 – Bob)
• Predictions:
  “I think we’re looking at the winner of Drag Race Season 17.” (63:56 – Bob, about Susie Tooth)
• On Harmona Lisa’s “pageant” pink:
  “For someone whose signature color is pink, a pink runway’s an opportunity to step outside the box to surprise people. Because everyone has seen you in this dress.” (55:42 – Plasma)

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• 01:22: Plasma shares her favorite Drag Race moment and RDR Live! origin story
• 07:13: Delusion and cast member dynamics post-elimination
• 13:03: Commentary on religious drag queens (“They creep me out…”)
• 14:59: Plasma explains the RDR Live! filming and pressure
• 19:14: Susie over-directing in rehearsals; comedy styles clash
• 20:44: Breakdown of Weekend Update comedy theory
• 26:10: Physical comedy vs. jokes with nuance
• 32:50: Straight man vs. banana dynamic; success in desk sketches
• 47:04: Lexi Love and trans representation in the workplace
• 50:01: Runway deep-dive; critique of Michelle Visage’s glow-up
• 61:01: Runway: Jules and Arietti praised
• 63:56: Susie Tooth’s clown drag forecasted for the win
• 70:13: Discussion and debate over judging placements
• 72:00: Susie’s win and Lip sync breakdown—Lydia vs. Arietti
• 76:21: Photo of Anya Nerve's “not-gagged” reaction; cast predictions

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Tone & Style

• Panel is candid, irreverent, and self-aware:
  • Quick to shade and joke (“I don’t love any of you, I just give my opinion…except Joella. You’re an icon!” – Bob, 57:49)
  • Deeper drag theory emerges between quick-witted reads and personal anecdotes
  • The chemistry is playful and loving; even harsh critiques are laced with admiration or comic self-deprecation

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Conclusion

• Susie Tooth wins her second challenge, solidifying her as a strong front-runner.
• Lydia beats Arietti in the lip sync, saving herself from elimination.
• Panel agrees the “comedy challenge” reveals which queens prepare and adapt versus those who rely on beauty or stale gags.
• Runway critiques blend real-world drag advice and strong opinions, with clear admiration for risk-taking and personal authenticity.
• The episode wraps up with playful plugs, inside-theater jokes, and more drag lore, with a tease to Untucked coverage on Patreon.

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Find guest Plasma at:
Instagram: @plasmanyc | TikTok: plasma_nyc

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Transcript

[A]

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[B]

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[A]

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[B]

and it thinks about the customer more than anything. Every day I'm thinking about some other new business, but Shopify is doing it to me because it's so easy to use. It's like, I can't stop. I'm addicted. To start your free [e-mail]. Ladies and gentlemen, and everyone in between, we are back for RuPaul's Drag Race. No. Jesus Christ. Sibling walkery. For RuPaul's Drag Race. Season 17 Episode 5 RDR Live. And we have an actual RDR Live winner here with us.

[A]

That's true.

[B]

That's true. And how did. How did it feel to win a comedy acting challenge?

[A]

Oh, it was fun. Loved it. Loved every second of it. That was actually. That was when people asked me what my favorite moment on Drag Race was. It was when RuPaul said, Plasma, you're one funny girl. And then, like, all the blood left my brain. And then she said that I want a challenge. And that genuinely was, like, my favorite moment, being there.

[B]

And you did a Peter lupone.

[A]

I did Barbra Streisand.

[B]

Barbra Streisand, that's right.

[A]

Yes. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[B]

Well, you are like. You get theater, you get comedy. You seem to have a really great understanding of what it means to be a funny girl, you know?

[A]

Well, you know what? That's what the polls say.

[B]

And as we're about to discuss, not everyone understands that. As we're about to discuss, not everyone understand this. So Joel has just been gone.

[A]

This is a trap. This is a fucking trap, being here talking about this shit. Because I literally was thinking that earlier, and I was like, I'm going to let Bob say it, but we're going to get into it.

[B]

Oh, we get into it here on Wachery. Okay, first of all, are you part of the Joella dynasty? Me and Monet we are members.

[A]

Yeah. No, well, let me explain. When you say that you're that diva from that place, I need to have already known about it.

[B]

But the delusion is what we love. We're obsessed with the delusion.

[A]

Oh, so that's why you have me on here?

[B]

Yes, exactly.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

That's why they are the host of the show. Exactly.

[A]

Of course. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[B]

Well, yes, well, well, yes. Well, here's the thing. So every time someone's going home, the girls are torn up. No one seems particularly torn up that Joella has gone home. Everyone's like, yeah, whatever.

[A]

Well, they've. They're honestly probably so fucking hungry to get these girls out of here because the first girl got the Badungadung. And they're like, it's gonna be 14 girls until the very end. They're probably just, like, ready for girls to leave. Because I remember, because we. So they had lucky stars leave, and then Joella was the second. And I remember when Mirage went home, who was our second elimination, the girls were weeping. I mean, like, fully. Sarah Paulson, like, and I was just standing there, like, with my first win, like, someone has to leave. Someone has to go.

[B]

When it's time, it's time.

[A]

When it's time, it's time.

[B]

So Sam does not know what Corey is supposed to be delivering. Sam Star is like, I don't. Like, she's not funny. She's not giving looks. What is she giving? And I. I gotta be honest. The. The. The. The call is. It's not. She's not wrong. Like, Corey's not giving comedy in the comedy challenges. She's not giving looks in the wrong way, but she is giving us. Well, for the first episode, she was also giving good tv, but now she's not even giving much good TV anymore.

[A]

Well, but you know what? She is giving something. She is giving Lydia Butthole Collins a hemorrhoid every single night at the hotel.

[B]

Yes, the butthole is getting worn out. Butthole is worn out. And I will say they're not doing a lot of romance. They're not really leaning in, like, Brooklyn and Vanjie or Vanjie and Gottman. Others, I guess just Vanjie and everyone. Vanjie's the one who just on set. Fucking girl.

[A]

Well, yeah, they also really tried hard to make Jinx and Ivy Winters a

[B]

thing, but this guy, everyone. Yeah, because Jinx had a big crush on Ivy Winters, but everyone's just kind of like, yeah, they're dating, whatever. Like, no one's really leaning into it, honestly.

[A]

My thing is, like, someone asked me recently, like, if I. If I had to date someone from my season, who would it be? And I was like, honestly, no one. They were like, no, you have to answer the question. I'm like, Hershey. So she was out first, and then I could focus on being there for the competition. Why are we out here at a hinge of end?

[B]

That's a pageant answer. We want to know, when it comes down to smash, who's getting motherfucking smashed? Not like. Because she's gone first. No. Who from your season is getting smashed down by me? Yeah. Or you can get smashed to whatever. Who is it going to be? Let's go to the cast. You were season what, 16?

[A]

I'll let you figure it out. Yes. Oh,

[B]

okay.

[A]

Yes. Season 16.

[B]

Can I guess?

[A]

Did you guess?

[B]

Let me look at all the girls. Let me look at all the girls. Okay, hair, we go. Because I don't really know what you'd be into, but. Ooh, ooh, ooh.

[A]

Out of that cast, I don't know what I'm into either.

[B]

Ooh. I'm gonna go with. I'm gonna go with either. Okay. It could. Geez Louise. Cause I don't know what you're really into, so it could be.

[A]

I'll tell you, what I'm into is not in our cast.

[B]

Well, you got to. You got to. You're stuck on this island, and you

[A]

have to hook up.

[B]

Bob, I'm assuming you're going to either pick Plain Jane or Sapphira, Or is it Dawn?

[A]

No, but are you into bears?

[B]

Is it Madame I.

[A]

The thing is this, like, this is a Sophie's choice because. Because.

[B]

Well, no, Sophie's choice was because she didn't want to pick, because both options were really, like. She wanted both options.

[A]

Oh, no, I'm sorry. It's the Auntie Sophie's Choice. It's the auntie of Sophie's Choice. It's Sophie's aunt. It's like, it's. No, no, no. 1 0.

[B]

I'm saying.

[A]

You know what I'm saying?

[B]

You have Don. You and Don already have great chemistry. You hang out, your buddies. It's going to be Dawn. It's happening.

[A]

Oh, no. God, no. Ew. No. I would. You know what? Actually, I would. I would pick Mirage because Mirage has already shown some drunken interest before, so I know she'd be into it.

[B]

Mirage is hot. Mirage is very beautiful.

[A]

She.

[B]

I'm into it anyway. I am. I think Mirage is hot. Anyway, so a few girls are telling Crystal that they are gagged that she didn't win, which is wild to me. I don't get what's up with these. With this season's pretty girls. They are. I think, honestly, we thought Joella was delusional. No, these girls are delusional.

[A]

Wait, why do you say that?

[B]

How could they watch onyanerv end the challenge and think for even a second that Crystal was gonna win? How could you watch on ya Nerve do what she did in that challenge and be like, wow. How did Crystal not win?

[A]

Because. Because they thought Crystal's tumbleweed was gonna take it. I guarantee you. They were like, wow, that's so creative, so inventive. Drag queens rolling around. I've literally never heard of that before. Oh, my God. Boom. But, like, and then you watch on ya Nerve. And it do take nerve to stand at a microphone and be more entertaining than someone rolling around on the fucking ground. Right.

[B]

Have you been told that you're low key giving Ariana Grande's new boyfriend SpongeBob from Broadway?

[A]

Yes, I actually have been told that quite a lot in this one.

[B]

I was like, oh, my God, what's his name? What's his name again?

[A]

Bach. Oh, Ethan Slater. Ethan Slater.

[B]

Oh, my God, you're giving Ethan Slater.

[A]

Oh, well. Well, thank you. I would love some free REM beauty products as well.

[B]

You know, I was just like, my God, you like Ethan Slayer? It just dawned on me. So if you want to, I just.

[A]

I just give that sort of like Bach. That's my vibe.

[B]

Yeah, you'd be Bach in Wicked for sure.

[A]

Great. Well, listen, listen. In the Broadway production of Wicked, Can I be a nerd for a second? Hello? They have when bach in Act 2 at some point.

[B]

Go ahead.

[A]

I'm sorry, Bob. We just started. For fuck's sake. No, but in. In the Broadway version of Wicked, when he gets turned into the Tin Man. Spoiler for Wicked Part 2.

[B]

They have the musical was. The book was written, like, over 30 years ago, if you haven't in the 90s.

[A]

Yeah, but, like, when. When he gets turned into the Tin man, they have a body double who is painted already as the Tin man. And Baka is, like, behind the wardrobe. And then he, like, the double gets out as the Tin man. And I'm like, that should be me in the movie. I should play the double girl.

[B]

It should be Tina Burner, because she already has a look. All right, let's go on to.

[A]

She's already the 10, and the man

[B]

already was fuming that she was in the bottom. And I don't Know if you guys remember last week already and on Tuck was like, honey, I may have been in the bottom. The bottom three once. That will never happen again. You hoes better watch out. Cut to, baby, let me tell right now. Watch what you say, because it. Girl, the people. There's got to be someone. There was a meme that happened during Simone season where it was, you know, the song. Yes, I'm hopeful. Yes, I am hopeful for today. Take this music. So it was Showgirls being like, I'm ready for my crown, bitch. And the screen would freeze, and it go, yes, I'm hopeful. And be like, kandy Muse did not win the crown. And that's being like, now ready for my crown. They'd be like, yes, I'm hopeful. So it had to be like, someone needs to make a clip of Arieta being like, I will never be in the bottom again. Yes. And be like, yes, I'm hopeful the next week.

[A]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Literally the next week, she was in the bottom every single episode after that. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[B]

And literally, literally almost got eliminated. She's like, I will. You will never catch me.

[A]

Yeah, literally. You could never. You could never even picture me. We pictured her. Yes, I'm hopeful. No, literally. And, like, literally minutes later, because, you know, the filming schedule is, like, way faster than people think. With the. With the.

[B]

Tomorrow.

[A]

It's tomorrow. Literally, she was 22 and a half hours later. She was right back where she started, bitch.

[B]

Like, literally this time, she's in the bottom, too.

[A]

Yes. Yes.

[B]

But, yeah, this episode is sponsored by Prune Juice because these bitches are bitter. It. This is the. They are bitter. Yo. The Pre girls are so bitter. This. They cannot. They cannot take Anya, they cannot take Lydia, and they cannot take Susie. Like, they are getting fever, and it's. By the way, it's just going to spiral. They're going to get worse and worse because Susie's not going to get worse.

[A]

Well, I feel like. I feel like it's like back to elementary school or, like. Like, high school, when you look at, like, the pretty, popular girls, and you're like, you're never gonna get an A plus, never. Because you spend all your time looking like that. And then you see the girls who are actually successful because they're doing their homework. They're going back to the hotel and writing jokes. They're going back to the hotel and fixing their makeup. They're, like, doing the preparation. And then the pretty girls walk in with good makeup and good gown. Gorgeous gowns, beautiful gowns. And they think, that it's RuPaul's Runway race.

[B]

You know, it's really going to gag them. I predict that at some point, Susie's going to be in the bottom with one of the pretty girls, and she's going to send them home, and they're really going to gag.

[A]

Who. Who do you think that pretty girl would be that Susie would demolish in a lip sync with her tap?

[B]

She's on Susie sending home Sam or Crystal.

[A]

Oh, interesting.

[B]

Yeah. Because I don't think Sam and Crystal can both make it to the finale.

[A]

That makes sense.

[B]

They're too similar. One of them is going to edge the other one out, and I think the finale will end up being. Hear me out. Either two pretty girls and one of the booger girls or two booger girls and one of the pretty girls. So it'll. It'll probably be Anya and Anya, Susie and Lana. Or to be like, Lana, Crystal and Susie.

[A]

Do you think Lana's going to make it to the finale?

[B]

She could. I think she could, because she's not bad enough in the acting challenges to constitute going home. And her runways are pretty consistently good. Whereas, like, Arieti, I can see already going home because she is pretty. She's been consistently bad in some of the acting. In a lot of the acting challenge, like, pretty consistently bad. Like, not just like. Like, Lana's, like, pretty even killed. Like, she did fine, but, yeah, a lot of people did better than she did. But I could see Arrietty going home. I give Arietty maybe three more episodes. The next day, Arietty has styled her hair into devil horns, and she's talking like, I'm about to be wild. And I don't think she's.

[A]

And, you know, Hormonalisa is uncomfortable with the presence of the enemy in the room.

[B]

How do you feel about religious drag queens?

[A]

We have so much to worry about. Why are we worrying about that? You know what I mean?

[B]

They creep me out. Religious drag queens creep me out.

[A]

Yeah. It's like, especially when you see a religious drag queen doing a religious number, especially, like, on a Sunday at brunch. I'm like, unless you're doing God's spell and you were talking about the fact that you, like, no longer believe in the spell of God, then, like, that's. That, to me, is funny. But when. When you. When you. When a drag queen goes home and prays for me, I just wish they would save their time. I wish they would fix their makeup instead.

[B]

It's odd. And the thing about it is, like, some of A lot of us are doing religion numbers, but like, baby, we all of us just like, it's camp. But some of them are like, no, I'm dead ass praising the Lord right now. Like, I'm dead ass praising the Lord.

[A]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. And honestly, I'm just like, like, if someone is, is willing to buy into the delulemons of believing that an omnipotent power is going to rescue them from eternal damnation, I'm like, so hell. But the rest of us doesn't sound that fun. So you don't want to keep with the girls forever. Oh, right.

[B]

Not only that, they think that God is not just saving them from damnation, but like, they think God is saving them in many challenges on RuPaul's Drag Race. Baby, you think God is worried about you winning Drag Race? Why does.

[A]

Yeah, if you. Why would God care why?

[B]

And look at how many non religious monsters have won Drag Race. I don't think he's watching. And if he does watch, he's not helping. You think he would let me Bianca Del Rio jinx the witch.

[A]

Do you think he, him, God, he him. Capital H, capital H. God gives a

[B]

capital I, capital M. They're all capital.

[A]

He, he, he, all capital.

[B]

God's name is like Bianca Del Rio tweets. It's all caps, honey.

[A]

It's all caps, baby. God is screaming his name down from the heavens at you. No, but like, yeah, no, I.

[B]

We should move on. We should, we, we, we could go on about this ever. What I will say now is RuPaul announces RDR live. Are you at home gagging? Are you at home excited? I think R Live is actually a really clever one of the. Was y' all season the first RDR Live?

[A]

Ours was the first regular, like non All Star season that had already alive because I think it was season eight of All Stars with Jimbo and Candy that had the first RDR Live in the States. Yeah. And then we were the first regular season that got it. And so, yeah, like, I'm excited to see it obviously, because, like, I had a fun time doing it last year and the girls, like took to it semi well. And it really is a good, like, we genuinely filmed with one take. It was fully live, Fully one take. And that was it. Unless something like went horribly wrong. But I don't think anything did, not for our sketch. And I remember the girls being like, oh, it's, it's one take. We really like have to nail this. And everyone felt super, super pressurized by the fact that there were no fuck ups. Like there was no do over opportunity and I think that that gets in the girls heads. So I think it's a really good test of who can like relax into the comedy groove and just like go into show mode. Cuz like when you're doing a show

[B]

theater girl, so it's easier for you. Were there, were they cue cards?

[A]

Yeah, well it was teleprompter so it

[B]

was like scrolling just like, just like snl. You know in snl when they're clearly reading. When they're clearly reading.

[A]

Yeah. They're like I have no idea. Yeah, fully just it's this week our queens were tasked with the ab. Yeah, yeah, it's fully ru. But yeah it's like it a really cool opportunity and especially like you grew up doing New York drag. Like there is, there is no take back. You just get through your show, you do the best you can. You're funny or you're not and you go home. Right?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

So I feel like doing, doing like shows and hosting on the microphone is a really good helpful like resource for a challenge like this where it is like one taken out. You know there aren't, there are no fuck ups. You just have to like get out there and be funny and if you know how then you know how. And some of these girls do not.

[B]

I agree.

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[B]

So the girls get to cast themselves and this is honestly one of the, one of the least dramatic castings there's ever been. Like no one's really fighting. I mean Lana's put her foot down and she's like I'm gonna play this character. And then she had a little bit of pushback but then the other girl was like nah, it's good. Like Crystal was like okay, you can have it. And then Harmona, Lisa and Lydia both wanted the same role but then Harmona just kind of gave it up. There was no I Mean, Lana was like, I'm not giving up. And then Chris was like, I'm not either. But then Chris was like, actually, I will.

[A]

Hormonal Lisa. Where's the fucking with the script? In a pink folder, literally going, ugh. You can be Gert.

[B]

You.

[A]

You can have Gert.

[B]

Well, I.

[A]

What the fuck is.

[B]

I don't know why Lydia wanted that role so hard. And she's never watched Golden Girls.

[A]

And also, she is a baby. Why is she playing Sophia?

[B]

I mean, Sophia was the youngest of the Golden Girls, so it kind of makes sense, actually. No.

[A]

Yeah, but you have to know how to play an old lady to play an old lady. Trust the Duchess, honey. Honey.

[B]

I guess I'm just. Trust the Duchess. I just kind of gagged because she didn't. It's weird to fight that hard for a role you don't even get. Like, you don't watch Golden Girls. She clearly. We'll get to it. So we'll actually. Let's not, let's not, let's not. Let's not get too ahead of ourselves. We'll get there.

[A]

Well, we need to also circle back to the voices and the voice choices made by people in certain sketches that didn't need them and people who did need them, who didn't use them.

[B]

We're going to get to them. Oh, don't you worry, honey. So Susie is low key, like, directing. Why is Susie. Okay, so Susie is doing the Weekend Update with. With Lexi and Crystal. Crystal, right.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

She's trying to. I'm like, first of all, girl, don't do. Do you. This is not a group challenge, and I don't think that. Obviously, I think Susie is quite funny, but it doesn't seem like Susie understands other forms of comedy that aren't hers. I was like, girl, just let them do their thing, and you come in and do your thing. Don't be telling them what to do. Just.

[A]

Yeah. And also, girl, if we're trying to play the game here, don't offer them corrections. You empower them with the confidence to make the wrong choices and let yourself stand out.

[B]

Well, I also. I don't think that Susie's ideas for them were actually great. Maybe she was trying to sabotage because Susie's ideas for them. I was like, that's actually not a great idea. The thing about Weekend Update is they're not. They're not playing. They. They are giving the news, but they're not doing news. Voices. This week has to register. Are you paying too much for gas? That's not what we can update. The Weekend Update is very chill. You were just telling jokes straight to camera. You're not trying to be a news anchor. So if you know Michael Ch. Why would you do. Why would you. I would say, why were Lexi and Crystal doing it like that? Like, I don't get pushing.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Like, it was encouraging. Like, girl, that's not. That's not what we can. Updated. They're. They're not news anchors.

[A]

No, they're not. It's not like, it's not Barbara Walters. It's not like this, like, huge manufactured. Like, this is not the campy moment of this comedy challenge. Bitch. I will never, ever forget. I've gotten so much shit for this because everyone thought that me fighting to play one of the Weekend Update anchors on our season and then getting disappointed by playing Barbra Streisand was like, a bit. Because people thought that I didn't want to give away that I wanted to play Barbra. No. Bitch. The Weekend Update desk is so funny. And if you can deliver dry co. Cold dead jokes straight to camera, it's a skill. And all this, like, drag camp. Like, in other news, Carson Kressley. It's like, it's not. We're not at the Chucky motherfucking Cheese. Calm down. Yeah, it's okay.

[B]

They didn't get it. And then Lexi are. Are butting heads because of this whole thing. And then Arietti is afraid of being outdone, so. So then she goes in and, baby, it.

[A]

It's also. It really, really demanding that you play the role of bug.

[B]

She gotta be Bug. When you gotta be Bug, gotta be Bug.

[A]

And you know what? And I, Cory King, have to be ugg.

[B]

The girls who bug bug. And the girls who ugg. Ugg, period. The girls who bug bug. And the girls bug.

[A]

The girls who bug. The girls who bug bug. The girls who ugg. Ugg.

[B]

Yeah, the uggs are gonna uggs and the bugs are gonna bug. And they obviously, they know more about. So. So Harmona has never heard the term beaver to refer to a vagina, which is. I don't know how that escaped her. But then I've also never took the correlation between beavers eating wood. That. That actually never. That never occurred to me.

[A]

You know, it hadn't occurred to me either. But. But saying there's something about beaver terminology that just makes sense. It's not like, out of the realm of possibility. You know what I mean?

[B]

Yeah, yeah.

[A]

It's like calling something like. Like the first time you hear, like, oh, girl, my snatch, you know? What? Someone's talking about my beaver. Oh, girl like you. Context clues. But then again, I get the impression that hormone Lisa hasn't ever really picked up on a context clue.

[B]

This. You know what I never wanted?

[C]

She.

[B]

She said she never wanted a shake and go off. Only wearing a shake and go. I don't think she. Not just contest clues. I don't think she gets clues. Clues.

[A]

Like I don't think she gets blues clues.

[B]

Yeah. Even with their vet, obviously she's not checking the mail. They can go. Can you find the shake and go on the screen.

[A]

Can you find the. It's on my head like that. Also, if you are wearing a wig in confessional. Let's talk about these girls confessional looks. Because I know every single day we had to film a confessional. We had to leave our looks in a garment bag in the green room so they wouldn't get fucked up. Lexi Love is wearing those huge press ons for every confessional that are not her Runway press ons. They're the same ones. Hormona is wearing the same beat, the same mug, the same wig. It's like these girls are trying so hard in confessionals. Bitch. I was just trying to make sure my razor burn was covered. Like, that's literally all I was worried about.

[B]

I was wearing a tiny little bowler. I would think a red and a red shirt. I think, yeah, sure, yeah.

[A]

And you look like Liza fucking Minnelli.

[B]

Low key.

[A]

A little bit low key. High key, baby.

[B]

So Lydia doesn't watch Golden Girls and she does not understand any Sophia references. She doesn't get pictures. Picture it. Sicily, 1935 or 25. I can't remember what it is she. It's so clear. She doesn't get. I just don't know why she was fight. I. I just don't know why she was fighting for this role. And as they start the. The challenge, what my first think is like, my first thought is, what is Arietti doing? Like, why is she doing that? How does this. How does she think this is funny?

[A]

Also, there's a joke written in the script about, get this, they walk upright or like they walk on two feet. And it's like supposed to be like an othering comment. These bitches are all standing upright on two feet. Why are we not reading into the physical? These are clues, people. These are so obvious. Like, if you're making them feel different, you have to.

[B]

I think it would have made more sense if they would have played it more straight up. Karen, Instead of being like, do like it was it's not like if they would have. Imagine if they had these, like, bobs, but the bobs were a little bit messy and, like, uggish. And then, like, with the. With the. With the unibrow and leaning in and, like, imagine the humor and making it seem like, oh, can you. Can you believe that I am a Karen, but I'm also a Neanderthal.

[A]

Yeah. If they were giving, like, Pebbles from the Flintstones, like, with the bone and the hair.

[B]

Yes. Yeah, That's. In my opinion, that's what they should have been giving, because they aren't giving any Neanderthal besides these weird voices. I don't know. It just. It wasn't. It just wasn't working. Like, I mean, I think that. I think that what little mama Corey was doing was working a little bit better than what Arietti is doing.

[A]

Already was screaming at the top of her lungs and unintelligible sounds. It was like, it's just doing fine.

[B]

But I think it's probably just in juxtaposition to who she's up against.

[A]

She didn't have a choice.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

And then Lana just kind of came out.

[A]

I was like, yeah, I'm pretty, and also, I'm pretty. And look at this rack. And I feel like we're now in this. I'm going to attribute this to my dear good friend Plane Jane. But the. The. The level of dependence on the physical comedy, on drag race, of shaking a breastplate has to stop. That does not make you funny. I think Lana wore it well because it's, like, a really funny thing for her to be doing because she literally never wears a breastplate, and she was, like, supposed to be serving, like, the body tea. So, like, I get it there. But, like, the fact that there are so many people who think that jiggling a breastplate makes comedy is, like, there are people who work their entire lives to write jokes, to have a career in comedy that is, like, there is physical comedy, and then there's, like, jiggling a breastplate when you're in drag.

[B]

So you attribute to playing Jane. So does Jimbo mean nothing to you? Jimbo?

[A]

Well, Jimbo also has the giant prosthetic ass, so that's totally different.

[B]

That is true.

[A]

That's a totally different ball game. Like. Like, is it funny? Yes. Are there also girls who understand the text and are giving it, like, the nuance of the comedy timing? Yes, that's what I'm saying. Like, it is.

[B]

There's more nuance to it than just my boobs are shaking, you know?

[A]

Yes. Yeah.

[B]

And I think that, like, Anya did okay. Anya did pretty decently with the. With the opening monologue. I don't think those jokes were very well written, to be honest, though,

[A]

I think with jokes like that because. Because they. They can work. I think the jokes written for the show are written to be over the top, and you really have to spin them and, like, give them as much camp quality, like, camp factor as they're trying to offer you. It's like, I remember, like, you and your acting challenge when you're like, why. Why did I waste my time putting on all this? Oh, wait, there's more there. Like, you milk the camp of that text because it makes sense.

[B]

Come back. You know, but obviously everyone's not. Everyone's not a comedian. And, you know, Drag Race is meant to push you out of the box to make you do things that you're not comfortable with. But I think that she did a pretty good job with the source material. I thought if I had time, I was going to write an opening monologue and, like, be like, can I write, like, season 17 RDR live opening monologue? That would be so much fun to try to do one of those.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

I don't. I don't. I don't have the time. Maybe. Maybe there's a small chance that I might. I have a show tomorrow in Dublin, so maybe there's a small chance that I can actually write an RDR live. God. Do not. Don't count on it. Don't. Don't count on this being done. But if I do have time, I will write myself, like, a three minute RDR live opening monologue and then see how I feel. Because it might be harder than I think it is, you know?

[A]

Yeah. And you know what? And you can feature me as the musical guest, and I will get up there and I will sway deliciously.

[B]

You're going to come tomorrow?

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

From New York City?

[A]

No, absolutely fucking lutely not.

[B]

Where you are right now. You're. Where are you at? Where you live in.

[A]

I'm in New York. I'm in Morningside Heights, like, right by Columbia.

[B]

I live in Morningside Heights. We had, like, 116, 106 by 125.

[A]

Like, the 125 one. Stop.

[B]

That's like my getting too serious.

[A]

You can.

[C]

Too close.

[A]

I'm actually a Columbia student. My ID number is 1003. Yeah.

[B]

Yeah. I live at 106 in Amsterdam. Years ago, work.

[A]

It's a cute area up here. This turns into a New York tourism

[B]

podcast because it's Quiet and it's not very. Well, 106 is very residential. There's not a lot of stores around, so there's not a lot of crazy foot traffic right now. If you want to move to New York City and you want to live in a place that's like, not too much. I'm telling you right now, Upper west side is very residential. It's not super commercial like Harlem or Hell's Kitchen or like, you know. Anyway, that's the point. Back to, back to the. This. I'm not a real estate agent anymore, so let me tell you. So lesbianism and pussy jokes are really. It's really low hanging fruit. Right. Which is why I feel like, okay, I don't think people realize that this beaver bit is Betty White's muffin bit. It's the. It's literally. It is just a parody of Betty White's muffin bit. I think they're over sexualizing it. Like the, the what made it hilarious was like, it seems as if Betty White was completely oblivious to the fact that muffin is a euphemism for pussy.

[A]

All of them. Yeah, like, like this is what I'm talking about, Bob. Like the, the nuance in the comedy is. Is I feel like there's a pressure when you get on Drag Race to. To push into this camp comedy. Yeah, yeah. Like, like give it all of the. You better give it, girl. Like, no. There's so much to comedy that is about nuance and silence and letting the script work the way it works. And also, like, playing dumb in comedy is a brilliant move, but if you're like over there moaning and like stroking the little, like, ceramic beaver or whatever. Also the fact that they said, like, I really. Who was it? The guest judge who said that they should have brought them out, like, of their laps.

[B]

Yeah, ye. The guy from Broad.

[A]

Yeah. And then, and then you have the fact that you have the fact of Jules doing an Australian accent. You have Hormona doing her normal smoking out range. Yeah. And then you have Sam putting on this.

[B]

This, I'm going to call it. Who's the financial adviser? The lesbian financial adviser. What's her name?

[A]

Oh, Susie Orman.

[B]

It was Susie Orman.

[A]

And then. And then you have Lydia and the other sketch from Golden Girls not doing a voice. And she sounds like she's 17 years old. So it's like, what. Why are we adding. Why are we adding. Why can't we, like, subtract and let the comedy speak for itself? Because, like, it has the potential to be a really Funny sketch a la Betty White and Molly Shannon. It's like, it, like, could really, really be awesome.

[B]

But the girls have seen that sketch before. Or if they just don't realize that what made the sketch funny was, it seems. Seemed as if Betty White did not know that muffin was a euphemism for pussy.

[A]

Like, it's like, I remember when we were there, like, there were sketches based on famous SNL sketches, and we, like, had access to watching those clips or, like, production would play us examples of those sketch. Like, we had. I think we watched a Weekend Update segment, and we probably watched the. There was a. A holiday party sketch that we watched to reference the barber sketch that we did. And then there was. There were, like, other things that we were shown because some of us weren't aware. Yeah. So they probably saw it. So then you have, like, even less of an excuse to not, like, match the source material or. It's not even that. You have to recreate a performance that already exists. It's just that these are comedy legends. Use them for inspiration. Try to, like. Like, imitation is the most sincere form of flattery. Right. So, like, imitate the people who know it works.

[B]

So let's go on to Weekend Update. So I already kind of touched on this, but, like, I don't like these an. These news anchor voices they're doing. You're not. So Weekend Update is a parody of the news. And RDR Weekend, whatever it is, is a parody of Weekend Update, which is a parody of the news. But it's just funny. It's just funny takes on news. When I say it's a parody, it's not like, okay, actually, I wouldn't say Weekend Update is a parody of the news. I would say Onion News Network is a parody of the news. So if you want to see, like, over the top, really leaning into being a news anchor, go to Onion News Network. They have some really funny sketch, and they're all. And they're all playing. All these comedic actors are playing news anchors, whereas Colin, Jost and Michael is giving the news with their regular voice if they're not imitating news anchors. And it really irritates me that these two don't seem to understand that. But you know who does seem to get what they're doing is Susie.

[A]

Susan Tooth. Yeah.

[B]

Did you say Susie Tooth?

[A]

Susan Tooth. Yes.

[B]

Suzanne Tooth.

[A]

Suzanne Tooth. Bart. She get.

[B]

She gets it.

[A]

Yeah, she really gets it. And I feel like she.

[B]

But it's also funny, ug. They should be Karen, and she should be like, ugh. Well, it's shorter for Ugmanda. My name is ug. It's short for Ugmanda. And I've been living in this cul de sac for 17 ooga boogas.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Every night when they make the.

[A]

The.

[B]

When I. When I go to. To my home and I serve my kid roasted mammoth with a side of saber tooth. I don't want to see Homo sapiens in my neighborhood.

[A]

Yeah. Threatening my way of life.

[B]

You can walk. You can walk on two feet, but not in front of my children. Yeah, not in front of my children. What if my children think it's so. What if my children think it's okay to start walking on two feet? How am I supposed to explain that to them?

[A]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. You try explaining to a 10 year old, impressionable, ugh. What you're doing.

[B]

And when I tell my little son, like, what would be a great name? Like, I don't know, like, what's that name? Aiden? Ugden. Ugden.

[A]

Yeah, Ugmanda. And this is my friend Yolandug. And we have some serious issues with the way you live your life, like, literally.

[B]

And I listen, some of my best friends are homo sapiens.

[A]

Oh, my God. My dearest friends are homo sapiens. But, like, I don't live my life that way.

[B]

My house.

[A]

How do you explain to my child, you bring out a rock? My child literally like a rock or

[B]

like a homo sapien. So trust me, I have. I understand what you and your people go through.

[A]

That means you and your people. Oh, that's good.

[B]

Where was all of that

[A]

lost baby lost in the brass? Like, it was. Literally, it was. It's so, like, I don't know, so. So like going back to the Weekend Update, like the, the news desk, to see how Susie was made the most subtle choices out of anyone behind that desk. And you watch SNL and the two anchors are so subtle. And so, like, they're the straight people, right? Well, not the straight people, but they're

[B]

like the banana and a straight man.

[A]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. They, like, are playing the, the nonsense

[B]

role when you say banana. Straight man. Basically, if you watch like I Love Lucy, Lucille Ball is the banana and Ethel is the straight man.

[A]

Yeah. Or Ricky. Ricky is the straight man.

[B]

Ricky's also another straight man. Yeah, One person. They're both doing comedy. One of them is so over the top, the other one is grounding them. So the juxtaposition creates the humor.

[A]

Yes, exactly. And to see the two anchors on SNL be the straight men, and then to see, like the guest because, like, they had. What's her name? Sarah. What's her last name? She's one of the newer cast members, but she played Nosferatu recently, like, the original Nosferatu. And she was so camp and over the top, having a normal, regular conversation with Joe Schmo, Colin Jost, and, like, that is what makes the humor so palpable. And then you see on Drag Race, like, Susan Tooth, Suzanne Suzette is literally the. The one making the most subtle choices at this desk because the two anchors are going so over the top. And then Susie comes out there playing RuPaul's babysitter, and she's, like, a little bit lower than their level of, like, camp understanding. And, like, I think that's why she won, because she was the.

[B]

The.

[A]

The grounding force of that.

[B]

She created the distance between the banana, the straight man. She. But actually was still over the top. I do think her last line should have been, tell the queen with the money to come here and pay me. That's what I think her. Her closing line should have been, but, you know, I'm not a writer at Drag Race, so what do I know?

[A]

That. Or talking about, like, snack time with Ru and just shouting, peanut butter, peanut butter, peanut butter, peanut butter.

[B]

So many.

[A]

Oh, yeah. If I had done.

[B]

Would always ask me. She'd always say, what's for lunch? And I say, peanut, peanut, peanut, peanut,

[A]

peanut, peanut, peanut, peanut, peanut, peanut, peanut, peanut butter.

[B]

I had a stutter. I had a stutter, and I got a stutter. Peanut, peanut, peanut, peanut, peanut butter.

[A]

Yeah, that was right after I had my second stroke, and I just couldn't stop saying, peanut, peanut, peanut, peanut, peanut. Yeah. Yeah.

[B]

Oh, my God. We.

[A]

We. We.

[B]

We could have played every single character. Are we brilliant?

[A]

Are we Tony Award eligible actors? We fucking should be.

[B]

So, Acacia. One thing that kind of confused me in the writing of the Golden Girl sketch is that Acacia's character was a combination of Bea Arthur and Rue McClanahan. She was both Dorothy and Blanche. Cause she was Sofia's daughter, but then she was a slut.

[A]

But she was Rue Mcclanahan. She was. She was so.

[B]

I don't know why they have to write in that. She's my daughter. Like, why does she have to be her daughter? I don't get it.

[A]

I don't. Maybe they're just trying to make it not super obvious that they're, like, parodying

[B]

characters from Golden Girls literally wearing a Sofia Pacullo outfit. Okay, not obvious. Gotcha.

[A]

No, literally. Well, you never would have known it was a Parody of the Golden Girls based on the fact that they've never seen an episode of the Golden Girl.

[B]

Well, no, Acacia, I think Acacia got it. Only thing is, Acacia didn't get. Was that, like, sometimes what makes Rue McClanahan's character, Blanche, so clever that she's a slut on accident. Like, sometimes she doesn't intend to say. Like, she's saying it so straightforward. And then people are like, oh, my God, that is so hoish of you. And she was. I'm like, oh, I did like that. That's part of the humor is everything that. What A lot of what Blanche does is intentionally slutty, and sometimes she just does it on complete accident. Like, she wasn't even trying. The. The hoe just came out of her, you know?

[A]

Yeah. And also, Blanche never, ever, ever stands still. Never. She is walking around. She's got her hands on men. She's, like, moving. She's working the room. She's. She's like, giving us the feminine sort of, like, crawl towards men. And she was just standing there. And then also, you have Lydia, who can't do an old person voice, can't do, like. Like, she painted the nymphia wind. Jane Goodall, Snatch Game icon, comedy icon. Nipya win icon, fallen hero, nymphia wind. And that make up for that day in that challenge. But it's like,

[B]

well, made a really great impression when he. I need to remove your top. Is it. She's like, well, absolutely. Like, if she start taking the top off, but, like, not thinking to herself, like, oh, my God, she would not. Like, of course.

[A]

She was like, yeah, anything for science. That was the line, right? Anything for science.

[B]

You know what I mean?

[A]

Yeah. Is this all right? Is this a ballpark figure? Yeah. Like, yeah.

[B]

I just don't get how they miss basically every. Like, how Lydia missed practically every single joke with the exception of taking out her teeth. She did the taking out the teeth pretty well, but almost.

[A]

But that was probably directed. Like, she was probably directed to. That wasn't like, an A choice that she made. Like, she could have been throwing on the ground for Blanche to pick up. She could have been, like, forgetting where she was. She could have been, like, scratching her wig and making it move. Like, there are so many things that you can do with that moment to make it funny. Like, because if the text isn't serving you, you gotta find it for yourself.

[B]

So let's go on to the next day. So the girls doing their makeup. And then I don't know if Corey King has a concept of funny outside of her brand of humor. Like, when Corey King does her thing, which is like this. This. Like, this, like, Instagram, Twitter humor, this, like, brand of humanities were funny. But in the context of a comedy challenge, I don't think Corey King has an actual grasp on what comedy is outside of her specific brand of online humor.

[A]

Mm, yes. The Chronic X user. Yeah, I'm like. Like, I've met her in person. She's hilarious. She's, like, a really, really great time. But, yeah, it's that sort of thing of when you are doing a challenge that is a direct reference to something that already exists, like, in the comedy universe, you have to, like, understand how to tailor your style of comedy towards that energy or towards that understanding. It's like. Yeah, it's just like, it was. Honestly, Bob, it was just, like, hard to. To watch some of this just because, like, these girls are so sad.

[B]

Like, honestly, Bob, this is a really rough. A tough watch.

[A]

I was like, bob, I really had a hard time. I don't. I'm so sad that you asked me for this episode, because I just. It was really so hard. I take it. So. You know what? You know, this is how seriously I take the RDR Live challenge, because my. My girl Barbara and me, we don't suffer fools.

[B]

Oh, my God.

[A]

We don't. We take this seriously.

[B]

Oh, my God.

[A]

By the way, this was given to me. I did not get this for myself. This was given to me at a gig, waiting for me in my dressing room.

[B]

And I wouldn't judge you if. If you had gotten it for yourself. I want to be very clear about that.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

You would grab a Whoopi Goldberg tattoo on my arm. You think I would judge you?

[A]

Show the class. Show the class.

[B]

See my tattoo work. Then I have Carol Channing on this arm. Yeah. Al Hirschfels. So.

[A]

Wow. And you have You. You can never come for me for being a Broadway diva nerd ever, ever again. When you use the name Al Hirschfeld on this podcast, I swear to God,

[B]

I am a theater nerd. But you're a theater geek.

[A]

Theater Gleek. Thank you very much.

[B]

Exactly.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

You know the difference between a theater nerd and a theater? I'm making this up on the spot right now. Theater didn't watch Glee, and theater geeks did.

[A]

Yeah, theater. Theater geeks made it all the way through Glee, even when it was deep and dark and horrible.

[B]

And I watched one episode, and I was like, this isn't for me. Theater nerds.

[A]

What was it?

[B]

Millennial theater nerds. We dropped out somewhere around next to normal. Dear Evan Hansen. So the theater nerds of us, we. I haven't, I don't have any like new favorites. Hamilton is probably like my newest favorite.

[A]

And it's not a new show, it's nine years old. Yeah.

[B]

Strange Loop. I like Strange Loop.

[A]

Strange Loop was really, really brilliant. And also I felt like made a departure from like this like Broadway sort of mentality. And also like, I don't know, to my own credit, if you're listening out there and you think that all I care about is Wicked and the Lion King, first of all, I'll never be cast in the Lion King. So think again. And second of all, there's so much theater happening right now that is sort of embracing the idea that it has always been too much or like obnoxious. And then you go see something like Death Becomes her the Musical, which is so fucking gay and over the top and awesome. It like reminds you why a Broadway show needs to be that. That big. Or you see like Hadestown or A Strange Loop, which is like really impactful intentional storytelling. It's like theater is for everybody.

[B]

You could be Zazu.

[A]

Zazu Paul Charles.

[B]

Zazu is like a 40 something white guy off the right. Yeah.

[A]

Zazu is a faggot.

[B]

And maybe you could be a timun in another 15, 10 years.

[A]

Timun? You mean Timon, is it?

[B]

Timmun is the ones on this island.

[A]

Timun is the lead in Once on this Island.

[B]

Oh, it's Timon and Pumbaa.

[A]

Timona. Timon is a 17 year old black girl from the Caribbean.

[B]

I said what? I said you can see Tamun. I did not misspeak. I see you as Timune in Once this Island. We dance to the earth. We dance to the Wata. God's awakening.

[A]

A stranger in white in a car. That's me.

[B]

We don't need you singing it. That was.

[A]

You're right. You're right. It's wrong if I do it. But if you. If you put it onto me, then it's all fair game.

[B]

Was crazy. You sing it with.

[A]

No, no, no. That's what Kaylee Kilgore does in the recording. She goes in a car.

[B]

No, I'm being silly. I'm being silly.

[A]

Not that I'm. Not that there's any justification for me to be doing it, but you know, I did my research.

[B]

So everyone. So everyone thinks that they are eating. Everyone thinks they ate the challenge. Everyone thinks they're a piggy. Which is what I guess now piggy means. You ate piggy. Piggy. The piggy that I know is like, you are. You're into dirty sex, a little bit of stink. You don't care if they don't clean out. That's what piggy is to me. But now piggy is like, I'm eating.

[A]

The gentrification of pigdom is really fascinating to me because, yeah, to me, piggy means you don't care if the bottom is gonna shit all over your dick, bitch. And then. And then these girls are like, you ate Honk, honk, honk, Piggy. And I'm like, what the what?

[B]

Maybe the girls are double piggy. You know what I mean?

[A]

Maybe Corey and Lydia one day were like, yeah, we. We came back from the hotel tonight, and, you know, someone would. Maybe that was shit. And we had little piggy. And then the girls were like, how do we make this digestible for an MTV audience, Piggy.

[B]

Well, I don't think you have to make it adjustable. Cause I still remember George is on TV asking if anyone was feeling gapey. So I'll never forget that. I will never forget. George's going, does anyone feel here? Feel gapey?

[A]

Gapey. It's so gapey out here.

[B]

Like, Jacob, do you remember her saying, is anyone else feeling gapey? Yeah, absolutely. Yeah. It was insane. I was like, my God, this is crazy.

[A]

I don't remember that at all.

[B]

You weren't feeling gape today?

[C]

No.

[B]

Well, you weren't feeling gapey?

[A]

No, I was feeling piggy.

[B]

Piggy. Exactly. So, um, let's go on to the Runway, shall we?

[A]

Oh, don't make me do this.

[B]

Oh, I want to talk about this real quick. Actually, Lexi Love is giving full Hannah Montana, she says, so Lexi Love still goes by her old name at work. She still goes. Goes by her old name.

[A]

And then. And then. Not the shade, not shady Cameraman panning to the LinkedIn profile image of her before her transition girl.

[B]

They dropped her full LinkedIn. Well, I mean, obviously, if you go to. If you go to Drag Race, I'll say this. All those images you submit to them, like, we literally. All those. They have us. We send them those pictures.

[A]

You know that's true. And also, we go through the full background check, and they make us unlock all of our past and past and present social media handles and profiles. Did you all do that?

[B]

Girl, I. Was he mad that there was no TikTok? We didn't have TikTok. We didn't have. We didn't have. There was.

[A]

Musically, you were the first girl who ever played on Drag Race because You're on the Stone Ages.

[B]

And it was in real time.

[A]

Hi, everybody. I'm from New York City. My name is. And I'm here. Literally. Yeah.

[B]

Ugmanda. Ug.

[A]

Mandatory meeting.

[B]

So let's go in. But I thought it was really cool that she showed that she talked about. Because I have a lot of. Because there are obviously, you know, lots of trans people who are in their transition between either their day jobs or, you know, transitioning at work. I've never transitioned. I've never had a physical transition, so transition. It was really cool that they showed what it's like for a trans person to kind of, like, sometimes have to live two lives, you know, I thought it was really cool they showed that.

[A]

Yeah, well. And I loved what she said about how, like, all of her co workers who just hear her voice over the phone think of her as. As, like, her. Her before her transition. But she said, maybe being here will give me the opportunity to, like, show that I am a human with, like, a different identity and I am my own person. And, like, trans people are normal people in a functioning society. Well, our society isn't really functioning these days. But, like. Yeah.

[B]

She also didn't refer to it as a dead name. She, like. I don't know. I don't know. Maybe you're not. All trans people consider their. Their legal names, their dead names. So, yeah, she. She very loudly proclaimed her legal name on the show, or if it is her legal. I don't even know what. I have no clue her legal name is. But it was her name. Her. It could be her name she was born with. I don't know. Maybe she changed it. Again, I have no clue where this other name came from. It's more than likely the name she was. That she was given at birth. More than likely. That's. Yeah. Yeah.

[A]

Also, have you met her yet? Lexi. Again, have you met Lexi yet?

[B]

No. She seems lovely.

[A]

She is so fucking sweet. I. I worked with her when I went to play Louisville, and she was so kind and so sweet and, like, so excited. And then she, like, she was in callbacks at the time, and she was. She, like, like, asked me to come over. She was like, can I ask you a question? And I was like, are you. And she was like, maybe. And she was so sweet and just, like, wanted. She's so respectful of the show and so, like, uplifting to the people around her and, like, you never would have known that she was, like, on the cusp of her entire life changing. She was just so excited by the art of Drag and the art of, like, being queer, especially in Louisville, fucking Kentucky. I think the fucking world of her. She's amazing.

[B]

Yeah, she seems really, really cool. I don't really know any of the girls in the season. This. This season is less excited about meeting me than your season. There was a lot of girls in your season who are like, oh, my God, I love Bob. I don't think I have any fans in this season, to be honest. I think Cory King is my 1 fan.

[A]

Not the Corey King erasure.

[B]

Not saying I would say Corey King is my 1 fan. I just said Cory King is my 1 fan from this season. I don't think any of the girls really see it for me. But you know what?

[A]

Well. Well, she can be your fan, but you might be the only queen that she couldn't look up to because you're the same height exactly. No one's looking any fan too.

[B]

Who?

[A]

Anya.

[B]

Wait, who did you say? I didn't hear you say. Who'd you say?

[A]

Anya Nerve. Like, every time you say anything nice about her on the podcast, she's like, thank you.

[B]

Oh, I love on your nerve.

[A]

I. Oh, I love on your nerve. Oh, I love going on tour.

[B]

No, I do love. I. I didn't know who. Jake. I. I couldn't hear what he said because I was talking. Shocker. So let's go into. Let's talk about the looks. So, first of all, I think all the judges look really good. I do not like that RuPaul has these flowers on her shoes. I do not like when girls put stuff on their shoes.

[A]

Oh, I didn't even notice.

[B]

I hate it.

[A]

I didn't even notice them. I was trying to. To decipher what exactly was going on with this. This. This dress. So I didn't even look at the feet.

[B]

Let's go on to the girls.

[A]

So wait, wait, wait. Really quickly. Can we talk about Michelle? Can we talk about the fact that Michelle Visage refuses to look bad? She looks so fudgeing good. This arm band that she has on. She's just like. She's made so many right choices, and she's Michelle.

[B]

Fantastic.

[A]

She looks so fucking good.

[B]

Yeah, she looks absolutely fantastic.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

If you guys forgot, go back and look at Michelle during season four. You will gag at her transformation. Um, so let's talk about on your nerve. I really love this outfit, and I actually think Michelle was right on the money when she said that it needed a big pink. A big pink mohawk would have really ate this look up otherwise. I think this look is so cool. And it seems to me like either on your nerve just figured out how to paint a lot better, like, within a few days. But also, have y' all been seeing on your nerve online lately? Her makeup has changed so much. She look. She is mugged. It is muggy over on her. Tick tock. Truly.

[A]

Yeah, she looks beautiful. I met her in person a couple weeks ago, and she's fucking stunning. Just gorgeous. Gorgeous. Also, if you're gonna wear a leotard on the Runway, a leotard and boots, you should have it made completely out of shoes. I think it's brilliant.

[B]

Like, literally, though, I don't think her padding is giving all they were saying, because I. I can see her pad line, so I don't think her padding was giving everything they were saying was giving because I can still see the lines of it.

[A]

Well, also, if you're going to wear a high cut Leo, I need. I need this to be like stirrups. You know, I need. I need the leg to come up higher because, like, if you're showing off the padding and the padding isn't, like, completely 100,000% perfect, then you need to, like, have some sort of interest, because that Leo, is high cut. It's cut, like, all the way up to the waist. So I was.

[B]

Yeah, But I do love this look. It's really creative. And the theme is pink. Everyone's wearing pink. Let's go to Corey King. You know, this look is fine, but with the way that because Corey is so padded out, her silhouettes make her look short. And Corey King is not short. Corey King is 6 foot 1, and she looks 5 foot 8 in this dress.

[A]

Yeah, this is one of those things. I was watching the episode with my roommate, and my roommate was like, she should have worn this to brunch.

[B]

Right? Like RuPaul's Drag Race.

[A]

Not on the main stage. RuPaul's Drag Race. Also, I know she stole this wig from plane. I know that she. She saw a pink necklace, and she said, ooh, pink Runway. That'll go perfect. And then, like, I just. I. It's just not. It's not giving for me. I think she looks beautiful. But again, like, it's not for the main stage. RuPaul's Drag Race.

[B]

I agree. I agree. Let's go into arietty. This look is absolutely fantastic. Arietti looks so good. There is not a single missed anything. The hair, the makeup, the stirrups, the leotard, this backpack, the silhouette, the chains, the. The nails, the. Everything about this look is just killer.

[A]

Just fudgeing. Stunning, beautiful. The only thing. If I were to change one thing, I wish that there was, like, a contrasting color on the inside of the backpack so we could have seen her silhouette a bit more clearly. But the fact that it all matches is unbelievable. She looks so, so good.

[B]

Maybe even a darker pink or a lighter pink.

[A]

Yeah, exactly. So it looks like she's coming out of this, like, giant, jagged pussy, you know?

[B]

Yeah, I love that. That's a. That's a good note. Why you. Shocking. No, I'm kidding.

[A]

No, genuinely, I look at. I'm literally looking at my looks from Drag Race, and I'm like, wow, she really should have added a contrasting color. And I'm like, I wore shit. That was shit. That was shit, girl.

[B]

Do you know how long ago I was on Drag Race? The look, when I go back and look at this, I was like, I look crazy. I looked crazy, but sometimes I look sickening. Um, let's go on to Lana Jarret. Lana Jarret keeps being like, this is a very unique silhouette. I guess she said, this is unique for me, to be fair, but I was like, this silhouette is. To be. In her defense, she said, it's unique for me. Um, Lana Jarret, this is a cute dress, but, like, girl, I don't think it is giving what she thinks is giving. Like, I think that Lana, because she is so beautiful, because of how gorgeous she is, her beauty and her body are doing so much of the heavy lifting for. For her looks.

[A]

I agree to an extent. I think that this. The other. This is going to come back when we. When we get to hormona and jewels. But this super, super pale, delicate pink is really, really hard to read in terms of detail. Like, I'm zooming in. This, like, lapel is quilted, which, first of all, where was this last week for the quilted Runway? And then you look at, like, the body of it, and there's so much detail that just gets lost because of this reflective, super, super pale pink. And I love this color pink. I wear this all the time. So, like, when you do detail work on stuff like this, it really has to contrast. Like, the colors have to pop. And if it's a monochromatic Runway, you should wear every fudgeing shade of pink that you can get your hands on. That said, I love the vintage, like, head scarf.

[B]

So good.

[A]

Yeah, yeah. What's her name in Adams Family values? Laughing in the car. Joan Cusack.

[B]

Joan Cusack. Yeah.

[A]

Yeah. Like, it's giving me. It's giving me RuPaul for the 15. The season 15 promo with the head wrap. I love it. It's referential. It's vintage. I think it's a cute silhouette. There are just, like, a couple little detail things that I would change, but

[B]

otherwise, her makeup, hair, and this head wrap are absolutely stunning.

[A]

Stunning. And she looks that good in person, too. It's incredibly irritating, I imagine.

[B]

Let's go into Lana. I mean, Harmona Lisa. So Harmona Lisa. I mean, this is cute. We've seen this silhouette on her before, and she was good. It's just muted. She looked really pale. Am I making that up?

[A]

I think it's this color. It, like, washes her out.

[B]

Like, she looks pasty.

[A]

Yeah. Like, you know, like her piggy is this color too. You know, her beaver is also this color.

[B]

Jesus Christ, girl.

[A]

Like this.

[B]

I mean, Harper Lisa is. She is pretty. She does pageant drag. This is not out of the box, but she looks good, but it's not like she didn't. Nothing was changed or revolutionized with this look, you know?

[A]

Yeah. I think. I think for someone whose signature color is pink, a pink Runway is an opportunity to step outside of the box to surprise people. Because everyone has seen you in this dress. I guarantee you, the girls back home knew that she was packing this dress for a pink Runway.

[B]

So I would love to rock and roll pink. I would have loved a. Some kind of other pink for her. You know what I mean? But we got what we got, so.

[A]

Yeah. And also, again, again, with this baby pink and all these beautiful floral details, I can't see them because they're all the same color. You know what I mean?

[B]

I know what you mean. Let's go on to Sam Star, who is Sam Starr, says something I found really shocking. She said that she knows how to do elevated and sophisticated drag. I do not think this look looks elevated.

[A]

I think it would if she was wearing something other than a panty with. With 20 feathers on either side.

[B]

Like, where's the elevation in this? Like this. The corset looks pretty standard. The panties look as plain as a painting can possibly be.

[A]

The feathers necklace looks great.

[B]

Yeah. The feathers are just thrown on the hip. This boa is just a boa. Like, I don't. I just. I think that. That Sam has brought some elevated stuff. This is not one of those things.

[A]

Yeah, her. Her Runway last week. Bitch with the pillow hair.

[B]

So good.

[A]

So fudgeing. Genius. And then when she calls this look elevated, I'm like, baby, save the elevation for the looks that are elevated. This is. This I mean, like, does she look good? Yes. Is she wearing contrasting pinks? Yes. Does the hair look great? Yeah. The feather headpiece is the most impressive feather element on this. Which, like, if you're gonna do a feather showgirl, you need to have this level of feather detail everywhere.

[B]

Yeah, I agree. Yeah. It's. Yeah.

[A]

Also, wait, disclaimer. Sorry, what?

[B]

No, you're saying disclaimer. What?

[A]

I was just gonna say disclaimer. I love all these girls, and I've met several of them, and I'm just. I'm being a nasty, rotted cunt right now. But genuinely, like, looking back on this and having done this experience before, I'm, like, learning from watching them. And so when I'm saying these thoughts, I just want all these girls who are listening to this to know that I love you and I support you. And also, we're going to keep it real because we've all done this before. And so I'm, like, learning from you.

[B]

I don't know any of you, so I don't love any of you. I'm just giving my opinion. I've never met a single one of you. So these are just opinions based on what I think about your drag. And it's not out of love. It's just out of criticism and spite and evil. No, spite, but it's literally just from a place of criticism. I can't say I love you because I don't know you hoes, except Joella. You're an icon.

[A]

I'm Valentina and you're Farah. I respect you and love you.

[B]

You don't love me. You don't love me. You don't love me. Let's go on to Jules Sparkles. I love this look. You're fucking theater geek ass would love.

[C]

No.

[A]

Yeah. Well, and also, they were making all these My Fair lady references, and I was like, you're welcome. The. The roads that I have paved for

[B]

these girls rain in Spain. It really does say mainly on the plane. Really good. I love that this. That this dress, this is a repurposed pageant dress turned into this, like, leotard chap look. Everything about this look, this look is so good. She looks amazing.

[A]

She looks amazing. The detail of, like, this. This pleated fabric that builds into the hat is so good. The con. This is how you do the contrasting baby pinks with different textiles and different. What do you call it? Like, different finishes on the fabrics. And then she has these ruffles that are beautiful. She has. Yeah.

[B]

It's just these moments, these mamma mia. Flared at the knee moment. This is so good.

[A]

It's so good. And she look. I mean, also, look at that fucking makeup. I could kill her. She looks so fucking good.

[B]

She's great. Good for her.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Let's go on to Crystal Envy. I. I hate this. God, I hate this. This is so. I hate. I hate. I hate it. I don't want to look at it. I don't want to see it. I don't want it on my TV screen. I hate this.

[A]

Can I say something?

[B]

What? You love it.

[A]

I love it because she walked out there with a giant bubblegum bubble and then popped it and then walked in this messy, glued, like, bubblegum shards dress. But I think the concept is really cool.

[B]

Yeah, the concept is cool. But like, it.

[C]

It.

[B]

She is utterly shapeless. It does not go into the hip at all, which is crazy because she's wearing pads. But then right where the hip would go in, she put all these bubbles on the hip. She's very, very boxy. I. And also, like, I hate that, like, the drip is only going down, but it's clean at the top. As if the bubble gum would be clean at the top and only drip going down. I don't like this hair piece. I don't like the. I just do not. I do not. Why is the. Why is the dripping up from the shoe but dripping down everywhere else?

[A]

Yeah, I hadn't seen that. Actually. I said, on second thought, I'm with you. I hate it.

[B]

This was a week. Normally, Crystal and Sam both look really great. And this week, Jules ate the girls up.

[A]

Jules did eat the girls up on the Runway.

[B]

And also, I think that actually Ariet ate the girls up on the Runway.

[A]

That's t. Well, we still have some girls to get to who.

[B]

Is true. This is. Maybe I'm jumping the gun. Let's move on to Lexi Love. I don't understand what she's doing with. First of all, let me say I love this look. It's kind of giving Chris Tucker in. In fifth element. But I don't understand what she's doing with her makeup today.

[A]

I think she wanted to go all pink. Can I say something? I hate the multicolored lashes. I hate them.

[B]

Yeah, that's a very. That's a very popular opinion. And I stand by.

[A]

Yeah, your lashes should be black. Your lashes should be black. Your eyeliner should mostly be black. It should. It's like, that said, like, I think that other girls. If other girls with other looks for this specific Runway had done this, like, pale pussy pink makeup. It would have worked. When you have these, like, six saturated deep colors of pink in your Runway look, you need a saturated, bold makeup look. Like, she is literally. I mean, she might be the only girl who in. In this pink Runway wore black, and she's the only girl who doesn't have black in her makeup.

[B]

Interesting. And I. I do think the one exception to a colorful eyelash would be a very dark blue. Anyway, that's my. That's my thing. But for the most part, I think with almost every single look, your lash should be black. Unless you're going to wear a white lash with all white makeup. Maybe.

[A]

Yes. Or, like, if you have a black and tinsel lash for, like, a specific look, like a metallic look.

[B]

No, no tinsel. No tinsel. I'm out on that one.

[A]

Okay, well, that's why you won a trillion years ago.

[B]

Let's go on to the most controversial look of the evening, and we will be talking about this. And untucked. Don't you know, don't y' all worry, Susan Tooth. I like this look. Why are the girls hating so hard? Like, y' all are haters. She looks good.

[A]

She looks so good. It's also so, so, so on brand for this girl's drag, right? And, like, this vintage, creepy, fucked up little clown girl is exactly who she wants to be. And, like, as. As another vintage girl who got shit for. For wearing old timey shit. This is how you stay true to who you are and what you do. And you clock a reference from 100 years ago that no one else is going to pick, and it makes you stand out, and it makes other people who are looking at Instagram for their fashion references really insecure.

[B]

I'm going to go ahead and say this. You know, several of us girls who won Drag Race dressed like clowns. Me, Violet Chachki, Bianca Del Rio, Yvie, oddly, Sasha Velour. There are lots of us who dress like a clown during our season unprovoked. And then we win. I think we're looking at the winner of drag race season 17.

[A]

You think so?

[B]

I think we are. I think right here. This queen, this woman, this woman from

[A]

the 1930s, Suzanne Tooth.

[B]

I think this time traveler is gonna win season 17. I really do.

[A]

Girl, call her AI drag, because she is rewriting her story.

[B]

Okay, there it is. I do wish, though, that she walked out with. With balloons on. On a string, like, several balloons, as opposed to two giant balloons. That's my one critique.

[A]

Oh, I kind of like it because it's like, it's so ridiculous. And it adds to this like out of proportion sense of like the rough is, is so huge it eats her neck. The roughs that her feet eat the feet. So like the fact that her hands are eaten as well I think is really clever. And also this might have been like an actual part of the reference from the 30s where they would have just had giant balloons for hands. I like it. And also, like, it gives her some

[B]

movement when she helium in the 30s. Plasma helium existed. Helium wasn't a discovery of the 50s or something.

[A]

No, I'm not, that's not what you think, stupid. No, I just think like, I, I like it where she, where she had them and then when she threw them, I thought it was really clever because then they like became props.

[B]

Let's move on to butthole. Uh, I appreciate elements of this look. It looks like a reveal.

[A]

It is a reveal.

[B]

Yeah, but, but not a reveal for the, It's a reveal when she's lip syncing.

[A]

No, exactly. And it's a problem. I, I, it's, it's like if I can see your reveal from a million miles away because it's not closed in the front. And also she's a small girl. You could put one hook right there at the navel and hide your lip sync Lallapuru Video Vixen Runway look that is hiding under this giant dick jacket. And you could fix all of the problems. Well, you could, you could fix one of these problems.

[B]

Yeah, she's like, she, yeah, she's like, I made it myself. Like, girl, we can tell. Like, it, the dickhead is lumpy. The coat has no form. Like, I do not think this is a good look. I think this is, honestly, the idea is cool. This is a very poor execution, in my humble opinion.

[A]

Yeah. And also the balls are too small. When Suzanne Tooth comes out here with giant clown balls on her hands, and then you walk out here with these teeny, tiny little, like if we're doing a giant exaggerated dick.

[B]

How big are your balls? Are you one of those all balls girls?

[A]

Balls to the walls, honey. She brings it to every balls.

[B]

How gigantic are your balls?

[A]

No, that's not what I'm saying. What I'm saying, first of all, that's for me to know and for you to find out, Babatha. And also, and no, I think if you're going to do a giant dick look, you need to have giant balls.

[B]

You're not wrong, you know.

[A]

And it do take balls.

[B]

It do take care.

[A]

It do take nerve. Yeah.

[B]

It do take nuts. Let's move on to our final look, which is Acacia forgot. And honestly, I like this look. I don't love where the shoulder goes up. And the last thing I don't love is, I think if you're gonna do 80s hair, do is Farrah Fawcett 80s or 70s? I think she was in the 80s as well. Yeah, I think Farrah Fawcett. I really do not like this hair. The only thing I don't like is this hair. Everything I really look, honestly, I like this hair. Is upsetting me that.

[A]

Except I would have loved to see a deep pink stocking and a pink shoe.

[B]

Ooh.

[A]

Because it is bitch. When they give you a monochromatic Runway, do monochromatic. Just do it. Like, there are so many opportunities for you to have, like, color variety and palettes introduced into this. When they say do pink, it's RuPaul's Drag Race. Everything on your body should be pink. That's my personal opinion.

[B]

Go Thorgy, love pink.

[A]

Go Thorgy. Love pink.

[B]

Love it. Real quick, something that has been bothering me online lately.

[A]

Thorgy, that's.

[B]

That's not just late. That's always.

[A]

Yeah, that's not online. That's in person.

[B]

There's a. There's a queen on Twitter who. Who's always, like, selling her wigs. But her wigs are great. They're really cool wigs. You should check them out. And then other queens, they'll be in. Some people do this with. With. With. With Kim. On my season two, Kim will be wearing two colors. It's like. It's like two, like. Like blue and pink or something. People be like, I love this monochromatic look. I'm like, do you guys know what monochromatic means? Monochromatic is one. It's one color. If it's two colors. Even if it's just two colors, guys, it's not monochromatic. You have rumor. Rumor has it you have a little pink look you're going to be planning soon.

[A]

Yeah, well, I'm. Yes. I'm working on a. It's so funny because, like, I heard that this was the Runway theme, and I'm literally working on a monochromatic. It's different shades, but it's all pink showgirl look. And I saw Sam's, and I was

[B]

like, is it for a show or what?

[A]

It was just to have. Just to have some new stuff. Well, actually, my drag mother and I just adopted a new girl into our house.

[B]

Who's your drag mom?

[A]

Salmonella.

[B]

Oh, yeah, I know salmonella.

[A]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. She Says hi, by the way. Selma says hi, everybody.

[B]

She still do wigs?

[A]

Yes, she just did the. The wig I wore last night to the. The HRC gala. She's so good.

[B]

Yeah, yeah, you too. You too busy to do wigs for me, bitch? You think you better than me? You think you better than me? Cause you work on Broadway, bitch.

[A]

I can make an introduction.

[B]

He's working on one Broadway show. They do wigs for one Broadway show. Now they. Now they don't. Now they don't know. Now they don't know. The drag queen, honey. The true inspiration.

[A]

Yeah, the drag queen, comma Bob. Legally, girl. No, but, yeah, like this.

[B]

Can we. Can we put a picture of your. Your. We're going to put a picture of your. Your. Your look here. This is. This is the look.

[A]

It's like my little sketch. Hold on, I'll just.

[B]

You'll send a picture and then we'll just put it here on the screen.

[A]

Sure. Okay, sure.

[B]

There.

[A]

Let's. Like, there it is.

[B]

Who's making it?

[A]

Domino Couture.

[B]

Listen, Domino is that girl.

[A]

She's that girl. You walk into her office and there's an Emmy on the top shelf. Literally, she is that.

[B]

That Emmy was for making my Honey.

[A]

That's exactly right. I know where to go.

[B]

All right, let's go on to the judging. So during the judging, Corey, Lana, Jules, Crystal, Lexi, Acacia, they're all safe right now. Anya's in the top, Jules in the bottom. Harmona's on the top. Sam is in the bottom. Susie's in the top. Lydia is in the bottom. Do you agree with these judgings?

[A]

Why is Ramona on the top?

[B]

Well, I think that of the Beaver Girls, Harmona did the best job.

[A]

I disagree. I think it was Jules. I think Jules did the best out of the BE girls because she was the only one who. The Australian. Yeah. And it's not because of the accent, although the accent was good. And Australian is hard, but, like, the fact that she. Hormona was trying too hard and obviously, like, was. Was. Was like overplaying the sex of it. Jules was playing very, like, blase, sort of. What does Pearl say? Very flase da. She was. She was giving. Yeah, she was giving very, like, naive, sort of trying to be intellectual about it. She was the one who was capturing the reference of that sketch. And also her comedic timing is really, really sharp. Like, I could tell she was very engaged in that. And Harmona, it just, like, didn't hit for me. I don't know.

[B]

Convinced me. I'm on your side. Now, I agree. Put Harmona in the safe group and bring Jules out and put her on the top. You convinced me.

[A]

And that is before you get to the Runway, because Jules should have been in the top just for that Runway. In my opinion, it.

[B]

I think it might have been my favorite. No, I think R8 is my favorite look of the week, actually. I don't know. I think I, like, Jules is better, actually.

[A]

Jules's was so, so good. And I just like the fact that she like you. I. I remember watching that sketch, and, like, I. I was never worried about Jules, which made me watch Hormona and Sam more. But I. And then I, like, thought back about it, and I was like. Because I was never worried about Jules, that probably means that she did the best job because I was worried about the other two, and Jules was just like, just keep swimming. She was doing a great job. And Hormona, I felt, was, like, trying to milk it, trying to make it sexual, trying to, like, be in on the joke when the whole point of that sketch is that none of them are in on it.

[B]

Yes.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

So what we have here is Susie Toot is the winner of this week's challenge. She has secured her second win. Do you agree that she won this week?

[A]

Yes. 100 fucking thousand percent. She was the only one who, like, she just. I don't know. It's like, you get one take at this shit, and she was totally, totally in it. She was totally, like, rehearsed but flexible. She understood the timing. She understood the references. She understood how to make it her own. And, like, I don't know. I'm really proud of her. And that challenge is hard. Bitch. You really get one take. You're reading off a teleprompter, which for a lot of these girls, it's the first time you've ever done something like that. And the fact that she never faltered, I was just like, yeah, star stand out.

[B]

And Lydia and Arietti are in the bottom. Do you agree with this bottom two? Yeah, I do think already was the worst in the challenge easily.

[A]

You don't think she was?

[B]

I think she was.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

And I think that Lydia was also one of the worst and had a horrible Runway.

[A]

Yeah. Yeah. If anything, I would have. I would have questioned whether it should have been Sam or Corey in. In the bottom three, but I think the bottom two is correct so that.

[B]

Yes. Yeah. I could see Sam and Corey swapping out for the bottom, to be honest. I can see easily, actually.

[A]

Yeah. But, yeah, Arietti and Lydia for bottom two. Absolutely agreed.

[B]

And then the girls lip sync. And I gotta say, in my opinion, Lydia beat arietty fair and square. Like, she.

[A]

Fair and square.

[B]

Ariani was doing some weird at one point, some very strange. Because it was weird because, like, Lydia was like, I'm trying to dance my little white girl ass off. But then it cuts to Arietti. She was actually doing the white girl dancing.

[A]

No, literally. And also, like,

[B]

we took the glasses off. It's about to get real.

[A]

A girl. I'm about to read that. Listen, I. I'm like, professoring. Yeah, like the.

[B]

Come on, McGonagall.

[A]

There's not the transphobic reference. Hello. But the. The.

[B]

Where's McGonagall? I don't even know who that is.

[A]

Harry Potter.

[B]

Oh, it's Harry Potter.

[A]

Oh, good work. You never had to wipe that memory from your brain.

[B]

But did McGonagall wear glasses?

[A]

Yes, the little. The little itty bitty ones.

[B]

Got it.

[A]

It's like, I can't wait to see how this turns out. Harry Potter. But I like the.

[C]

The.

[A]

It is such a weird sensation getting a lip sync song that you would never, ever, ever, ever, ever in a million fucking years do at your home bar because you're on Drag Race. And I can understand how arietty in her brain goes, like, I'm gonna do all of my. My drag tricks. Like, I'm gonna. I'm gonna give you my, like, Manhattan eight count. I'm gonna give you my knee split. I'm gonna give you my, like, all these things. But you can tell that that's not the kind of performing that she does. Which, like, it just made my heart break for her a little bit because I remember, like, when I got the tick tock version of Bloody Mary up against a stunt queen and I'm like, give me my Barbara ballad and it'll be over for you. Did you want to lip syn and went. Went straight home. Did not pass go. Did not collect $200. Yeah, but like, in that moment, you're so in your head, you're so self conscious. It's silent until the music starts on set. And then you're like doing this song that you would never in a million years do. And it's like the highest stakes you've ever felt in your life. It's really, really fucking insane. Especially if it's a song that is not in your repertoire. So I was like, watching her pull out her. Her dragography and feeling like this is not in her comfort zone at all. Plus, she's in a more cumbersome outfit. Than Lydia. It just like.

[B]

But I don't think this is in Lydia's wheelhouse either. But Lydia was like, I'm gonna have to figure it out. I don't. Again, I don't think Lydia, like, slayed boots, but I do think that arietty flopped. Boots. Yeah. You know?

[A]

Yeah, it was just, like. It was, like, hard to watch because I've been there. But yeah, like, it's same. Same thing with me. Like, Maya beat me fair and square in our lip sync, and I just, like, remember that feeling, but. Yeah.

[B]

Jacob, can you please. Or Jay, can you please post a picture of all the girls gagging? First of all, the girls seem gagged that Lydia beat her. And it. To me, it seemed really obvious. Like, it seemed obvious that Lydia beat arietty. I don't know why y'. All. I don't know why you all gagging, but there's one girl who's not gagging. Anya. Nerve. Look at this picture of Anya. Everyone's like. Anya's like, yeah, that seems right.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Anya that I'm obsessed with. Obsessed with that picture. Everyone's like, oh, I got it. And Anya's like, yeah, yeah, yeah, I see it.

[A]

Yeah, yeah. Anya's one of those girls who's like, I'm just here to win. And anyone else who disagrees is just gonna do what they. They're just gonna think what they. Whatever they have to think to get through.

[B]

So Lydia beats Arrietty. Arrietty pulls the lever. She pulls one. Michelle is dunked. She is safe, and she lives to. To attack Susie toot another day.

[A]

She lives to. To. To file the case against Susie in court. Truly. But my question is, like, if I pulled that lever and I made Michelle visage submerge in water in a 65 degree soundstage, I would run over to that tank and apologize immediately.

[B]

Warm water, though. Maybe the water's warm.

[A]

That's even freakier. You got, like, a bonus, like a union bonus for getting wet on side.

[B]

So she's getting paid, paid down for that girl. You think. You think drag race is union? The fuck you think. You think drag race is union? Have you lost your mind? The only people union are the fucking camera people. With that in mind, thank you all so much. If you want to hear our thoughts on untucked, please go over to our patreon. Go to siblingrivery.com support or go to Patreon and type in sibling rivalry. You can hear me and and Plasma's thoughts on this episode of Untucked. You please Tell us where we can find you. If people want to see plasma live, they want to get covered in plasma. How can they see you?

[A]

Well, first of all, wear a condom. And second of all, you can find me on instagram Plasma NYC. I'm on TikTok plasma_nyc. I think you know, all the handles are slightly different for insane reasons. And I'm performing mostly in New York, but I'm still traveling. I'm still watching every episode of RuPaul's Drag Race. You can catch me at viewing parties. Catch me in New York City if you're here, and hopefully I'll be coming to a town near you very soon.

[B]

All right, there you have it. Thank you so much. Plasma.

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