The One About AAVE

Summary

Sibling Rivalry – "The One About AAVE" (April 8, 2024)

Overview

In this engaging and hilarious episode of Sibling Rivalry, Bob The Drag Queen and Monét X Change dive deep into the intricacies of African American Vernacular English (AAVE)—formerly known as Ebonics—its role in culture, language, and identity, particularly within Black, queer, and drag communities. The duo also explore related topics such as code-switching, the controversy around non-Black people using AAVE, the viral bodega order debate, and the tension between slang and standard English in educational settings. As always, the episode is peppered with their playful banter, personal stories, and digressions into food, music, and their favorite drag queens.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Greek Life, College Experiences, and Masculinity (01:13–08:47)

• Bob and Monét reminisce about college, exploring feelings of outsider-ness concerning fraternity/sorority life.

  • Bob: “I just didn’t like how the Greek organizations navigated through campus... Maybe there was a bit of jealousy in it...” [01:34]
  • Monét highlights the hotness and swag of fraternity boys, while Bob is indifferent to "straight guy energy."

• They joke about forming a "Sibling Rivalry fraternity" and digress into their musical theater experiences.

  • Bob delivers a passionate defense of theater nerds: “Y’all are so nerdy. This is why you love plasma.” [08:10]

2. The Singing Debate: Who Sings More, Bob or Monét? (08:53–10:22, 63:11-66:54)

• Ongoing playful argument about which host sings more on the podcast.
• They create a live Patreon poll, debate the results, and read out comments.
  • Bob: “Monet sings more often, but when Bob sings, she gotta pause the whole production...” [66:41]
  • Monét refutes: “I don’t know that to be true?” [63:51]

3. The Power & Influence of Pop Culture (10:38–14:30)

• Discussion on the viral nature of Beyoncé’s "Cowboy Carter" and Nicki Minaj’s concerts.
• Compliments to Roxxxy Andrews’ drag/costume skills. [13:01]
  • Monét: “Roxxxy Andrews might be one of the best costume makers in the history of Drag Race.” [13:11]

4. On Language, Segue to AAVE (17:56–21:00)

• They banter about linguistics and segue into AAVE.
  • Bob: “Accents and vernacular are fluid. Which leads us to our topic today...” [19:55]

5. AAVE: What Is It, Who Uses It, and Where Does It Come From? (20:35–29:58)

• Monét asks about the scope of AAVE and differences in Black speech across regions/cultures.
• Bob: “AAVE is a rebranding of Ebonics, right? But AAVE is not the way Black people talk everywhere...” [20:55]
• Discussion on the spread of AAVE, regional slang, and generational language changes.
  • “There is a way to sound Black... Anyone who probably hears me talking probably can assume that I’m Black and that I’m gay.” [29:53]
  • Monét: “I think I sound neutral New York Black...” [30:22]

6. Code-switching, Identity, and the N-Word (36:45–44:00)

• Monét reflects on learning AAVE and the N-word after immigrating from St. Lucia.

  • “The word nigga was not part of my vernacular growing up... When I moved to the States, that was introduced to me...” [36:45]

• Bob shares about the prevalent use of the N-word in his family and community.

  • “I don’t ever remember not saying it.” [37:52]

• Debate about the history of AAVE/Ebonics, referencing sources like Dictionary.com and PBS. [38:52–39:46]

• Discussion of Creoles and pidgin languages.

7. Drag & Queer Vernacular’s Influence on Mainstream Slang (41:01–44:36)

• Monét calls out how mainstream Black communities, specifically straight people, sometimes take up drag and queer slang without knowledge of its queer roots.
  • “They think that they’ve introduced something where it really originated with Black and Brown trans people in the queer community.” [41:01]
• Consideration of how language circulates across demographics.

8. The Complexity and Appropriation of AAVE (44:46–47:32)

• Discussion on who "gets to" use AAVE and how code-switching by non-Black or non-queer folks can be problematic.
  • Monét: “It’s the code-switching aspect of it that is bothersome... she’s just doing it when it’s convenient for her.” [46:08]
• Bob notes that, for some, using AAVE is just their lived experience, regardless of race.

9. The Bodega Order Debate & Authenticity (22:51–27:21)

• Bob and Monét discuss the internet controversy over Jennifer Lopez’s "bodega order" and the cultural weight of food choices as authenticity markers.
  • Bob: “They’re like, that's not a real motherfucking order. And what’s an orange drink?” [25:22]

10. The N-word: Context, Consequence, and Apology (48:13–54:47)

• The hosts debate whether non-Black people can recover from using the N-word, even with apologies.
  • Monét: “If you’re just a white person out here saying the N-word, I know who you are. And that’s probably unfair... but I made up my mind...” [52:25]
• Recollection of their interview with Eureka at Sony Hall over past accusations. [53:51]
• Monét shares an anecdote about possibly hearing a friend say the N-word at a Cardi B concert. [54:21]

11. Mainstream Consumption of Hip-Hop & White Audiences (55:04–57:21)

• Bob observes the overwhelming white attendance at rap concerts, linking it to debates over who gets to perform Black culture.
  • “You might be shocked to find that most of the people at a rap concert are from the mountains of caucus.” [55:27]

12. Slang, Policing Speech, and the Classroom Ban (57:41–62:18)

• Review of a viral teacher's ban on AAVE/slang in her classroom, reading the list of 32 forbidden words and critiquing her approach.
  • Bob: “Is this the same teacher who’s handing them fucking Huckleberry Finn...?” [58:59]
  • Monét: “I think it’s really insane to say you cannot use these words at all.” [61:49]
• Reflection on the evolution of language; defense of allowing students to express themselves authentically.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On AAVE & Ebonics:
  “AAVE is a rebranding of Ebonics, right? But AAVE is not the way Black people talk everywhere...” – Bob [20:55]

• On Slang in School:
  “Is this the same teacher who's handing them fucking Huckleberry Finn where they’re speaking in busted, broken, raggedy English?” – Bob [58:59]
  “Slang has existed since forever... You can set a precedent in scholarly papers, but to ban these words, that’s inappropriate.” – Monét [61:10]

• On Queer Slang & Appropriation:
  “Things like shade and reading... There are so many straight dudes using that language and they don’t know where it comes from.” – Monét [41:01]

• On Code-switching & Authenticity:
  “It’s the code-switching aspect of it that is bothersome... she’s just doing it when it’s convenient for her.” – Monét [46:08]
  “For me, basically opting out of the marginalization of what it means to sound that way.” – Bob [46:36]

• On the N-Word:
  “If you’re just a white person out here saying the N-word, I know who you are... that’s not my problem.” – Monét [52:25]
  “If you do any offense... and the demographic that offends does not forgive you, then that just is what it is. And you have to accept it.” – Bob [53:21]

• On Sounding Black or Gay:
  “There is a way to sound Black... For example, anyone who hears me talking probably can assume I’m Black and that I’m gay.” – Bob [29:53]
  Discussion on the "spectrum of gay voices" with Jacob weighing in. [31:14–31:54]

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Timestamps for Key Segments

| Time | Segment | |--------------|--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------| | 01:13–08:47 | Greek life, college stories, hot frats, theater nerds | | 08:53–10:22 | Who sings more: Bob vs. Monét poll begins | | 13:01–14:30 | Praise for Roxxxy Andrews’ drag craftsmanship | | 17:56–19:55 | Linguistics, accents, and segue into AAVE | | 20:35–29:58 | Defining AAVE vs. Ebonics, regional and cultural dialects | | 36:45–44:36 | Learning AAVE, the N-word, code switching, language in Black & Caribbean communities | | 44:46–47:32 | Appropriation and code-switching, Woah Vicky discussion | | 22:51–27:21 | Bodega order discourse, “authentic” New Yorker food | | 48:13–54:47 | N-word, context, apology, and forgiveness | | 55:04–57:21 | White consumption of hip-hop, rap concerts | | 57:41–62:18 | Teacher bans AAVE/slang in classroom | | 63:11–66:54 | Singing poll results and audience comments |

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Additional Highlights

• [13:44] – Shout out to Roxxxy Andrews for costume and hair excellence.
• [23:02] – Jennifer Lopez’s bodega order and authenticity meme.
• [32:04] – Live update on Patreon poll results: Monét “winning” on who sings more.
• [53:53] – They recall confronting Eureka about past use of the N-word.
• [58:22-61:10] – Reading and dissecting the teacher's banned words list.

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Tone & Language

The hosts remain witty, informal, and candid throughout, frequently teasing each other and engaging in exuberant digressions. Their discussion of topics like AAVE, code-switching, and linguistic policing is irreverent, but thoughtful, often referencing personal experience and inviting the audience to weigh in.

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Conclusion

Bob and Monét thoughtfully unpack how language—especially AAVE—reflects culture, identity, and power dynamics, particularly within Black and queer communities. Their spirited debate and vibrant anecdotes make the episode both deeply insightful and highly entertaining, providing valuable perspectives for anyone interested in language, culture, and drag.

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Transcript

[A]

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[B]

Start your free [e-mail]. my name is Bob the Drag Queen

[A]

and I'm Monet x Change.

[B]

And this is simply rivalry. On this week's episode, we finally find out who sings more. On the podcast, we discussed AAVE and we found out what made Monet sing.

[A]

Megan has a. She has niggas running all up and through her song. And I'm sure a lot of predominantly gonna be white folk there. So, like, how do they restrain themselves? And we find out what made Bob say this.

[B]

My God, I couldn't have another bite if I. Ooh, you ever been so full it hurts. You know, I'm not super familiar with the colors of the Greek organizations, really. And also I had a real, like, issue with Greek organizations when I was in. When I was in. When I was in college.

[A]

Which is what?

[B]

Well, I think my main issue was, like, I just didn't like how the Greek organizations, like, navigated through campus like this, like, cool. Maybe. Maybe there was a bit of jealousy in it. This, like, cool kid club and the way that. The way that I felt like non Greeks were perceived by the Greeks on campus. And Grant, I didn't go to a massive school that had one of those, like, crazy. Like, I remember going to Auburn University just to like, work in the. In Opelika and seeing the houses, the. The frat houses and the sorority houses. Mansions. Yeah, like, when I say mansions, I'm talking mansion mansions. Crazy. Like, like the kind of house you would see on, like, on like the Real World or some shit like that. And I was just blown away by. Because in Columbus, Georgia, it was like a four bedroom house.

[A]

Yeah. In Princeton, because, you know, Westminster is in Princeton and Princeton universe is right there. I don't know if they had Divine nine, but just the frat and Greek house. The Greek houses were huge. They were like, huge. Like the shit you see in the movie in the House Bunny. That's what the houses were. They were these, like, huge, huge, huge, huge. And I guess obviously the fraternity and sorority dues and things pay for that. I get it. But it is kind of crazy to see how, like, how huge and crazy the houses were. It's kind of fierce.

[B]

I feel like it's quite common for people who were not Greek. And I don't mean Greek from Greece. I mean, like, in fraternities or sororities or sororities or fraternities for women. Because, you know, there are those, too.

[A]

They are.

[B]

Who were not in fraternities and sororities or fraternities for women who just, like, the Greeks are irritating. They're just an irritating faction on campus.

[A]

Well, I mean, I went to a music school, so we didn't have, like, huge Greeks life, right? We had two Greek houses. We had Famu Alpha, which was a fraternity, and there was Sigma Alpha Iota, which were the female fraternity. The music. Both music. Both music things. So it's very, like. And we weren't. We weren't a threatening force. We weren't, like. We were fucking music nerds. We were fucking singing scales. Like, we were not that kind of.

[B]

Yeah, you have to go to, like, a. Like, a regular college to get the, like, Greek experience where they're like. The Greeks are like. I remember being at this party, and it wasn't even a Greek party, but this, like, Q kept being like. He kept, like, talking to me as if, like, one day I'll get to be a Q, too. And I was like, bitch, I don't want to be a. He was like. He was like, but I get it. You know, Maybe one day, maybe next year, you'll. You'll pledge, and you'll get to be a Q. And then he's, like, barking at me and shit, and I'm like, I don't want to be. I'm like, I don't want to be in your fraternity.

[A]

So you never wanted to be. You never wanted to be in a fraternity?

[B]

I wanted to be on a step team, and I was on a step team, so.

[A]

But you never wanted to be a fraternity like, that. That. That never spoke to you?

[B]

The only part of Greek life that ever spoke to me was step teams. Nothing else in Greek life spoke to me. Literally. Literally. There are hot guys everywhere. There was literally nothing else in Greek life that spoke to me except for choreography and dancing.

[A]

Yeah, but it was something about, like, these, like, fraternity boys, especially the Kappas, like, seeing them. Because at Rider University had Greek life and just to, like, see, like, they kind of just all being together. They just. They were, like, a little. They were really suave. Like, it was hot seeing these, like, dudes together just all and under this brotherhood. And also I had my, you know, my hood boy complex at that point.

[B]

I think the biggest difference between you and me is that I have never been into straight guys. There's. I can't. There's never been a period of my life, like, where I've been, like, fawning over straight guys. I have, like, sissies since. Since Joseph King in high school.

[A]

Bob, you have never been into a straight guy? Not one?

[B]

No, I've never been into, like, straight guy. Like, the. The demographic of a straight guy. But if a straight guy is kind of faggy, like, that's. That's attractive to me. If the straight guy's a little Fae. If the straight guy's a little. You know what I mean? But I've never been into the idea of straightness.

[A]

Should we start this? The sibling rivalry fraternity?

[B]

No, I don't have much experience with being Sigma Rho.

[A]

Sigma Rho, Sigma Rho, PI, Sigma Rho PI Sr.

[B]

The girls of Delta Nu. Delta Nu is the only sorority that I've ever been interested in. We.

[A]

We are about daughters. What's the lyric? No. Isn't that Delta? New lyric.

[B]

Daughters of Delta, now that a man chose you, your life begins today. Make him a happy home Waste not as hard on rage and try not to act your look your age. Yes, I'm back in.

[A]

Yeah. You know, I didn't know about that. I didn't know about that musical until I met y' all fucking theater fags in New York City. Like, the Legally Blonde musical thing. Missed me like a fucking. I never. Until I started being a drag queen and seeing people perform it at, like, in numbers. I was like, oh, this is actually really cool. But the whole Laura Bell Bundy, Legally Blonde. Oh, my God.

[B]

Oh, my God.

[A]

You guys miss me? They miss me so hard.

[B]

You're a little short in the tooth for it. But the reason why. The reason why Legally Blind was such a big deal is because MTV did a production of Legally Blonde on mtv. Like, it was just a straight up MTV event. They just. They just streamed Legally Blonde on mtv. I remember all the theater and because

[A]

the movie was so big,

[B]

this is years between the movie and the Broadway show. It wasn't like next year. You know what I mean? So when the movie came, when they streamed the Broadway show, I remember all the music majors, all the theater majors gathering in these dorms, like, all the dorms, because the dorms weren't huge. I mean, actually, my school had a really big dorm. The dorms in my school were four bedroom Four bathroom apartments that were brand new that had just been built that year. They were kind of. Actually. There was no, like, community showers and, like, you know, old rinky. It was four bedrooms, four bathrooms apartments. But that's not the point. The point is, I just remember us all sitting on my friend Jarrett Randall Jones's bed and watching Legally Blonde and, like, freaking out the other people.

[A]

Y' all are so. Y' all are so nerdy. This is why you love plasma. Y' all are so, like. If there was, like, a opera event, opera people wouldn't be like, like.

[B]

And again, I'm not. I don't.

[A]

It sounds. It's just so cute, like, how theater people. Y' all are so, like. I just. Just see all y'. All.

[B]

What I love most about you is that you think opera people are cool, and that is what makes you really.

[A]

I did not say I see. No, see, that's yours. That's your own insecurity. I never saw people look cool. I just said. We just don't clamor like. Like theater people, though. We're not. We're not, like, interesting.

[B]

I guess you guys don't have the same passion for your art form that we do.

[A]

No, we have the same passion. We just don't need to put it on Front Street. We don't need to let the whole world know.

[B]

Oh, you think it's the same passion? That's so interesting. That's interesting.

[A]

Oh, it's a better passion for sure,

[B]

because we work harder. Shout out to the patron who pointed out last episode with you and Tia Coffee that Monet's always talking about how. How opera people never talk about theater as much as theater people. You talk about opera and sing opera on this podcast more than I have ever spoken about theater ever. Bob, that is it on. You do it on Drag Race. You do it on tour. You're on stage singing. You have a whole show. How do I get.

[A]

I am singing as part of my act.

[B]

You're. You're. You're on stage singing opera on your shows. You're. You're. You're doing my act on the. On the. You're singing opera out loud all the time.

[A]

Even the patrons have sounded off. You sing more than me on this podcast.

[B]

They've never said that. You're the only one saying that, Solomon.

[A]

I need y'. All.

[B]

Y'.

[A]

All.

[B]

Y'. All.

[A]

Monation Bobbin has. Whatever you're. I mean, I need y' all to comment and sound off does. We're gonna put a poll on the

[B]

Patreon they could put a poll on Patreon. Who sings now?

[A]

Yeah, we gotta have the results at the end. Jacob put the poll who And Jacob, don't skew to. Don't. Don't skew with your.

[B]

No, don't. Don't try to. Don't try to. Don't try to pull Trump.

[A]

You're singing the podcast.

[B]

You're already invalidating. You're already invalidating the results.

[A]

Put it plain. Who sings more on the podcast, validating the results or Monet? That's what I want to know. Because you are.

[B]

You're already trying to validate the results. Look at you. This is crazy how like Jacob, don't be skewing the results because we all

[A]

know the boyfriend be doing some shady shit.

[B]

You're pulling a Trump. You're already denying the results of the election.

[A]

Oh boy. Bye.

[B]

So I'm posting the poll with the caption, who sings more, Bob or Monet on the podcast.

[A]

On the podcast. On the podcast.

[B]

See? See, first of all, the answer is you either way. So don't even. We don't even need to have the conversation.

[A]

I have to say, okay, I've been seeing the clips of Gag City online and like, Nicki Minaj is just so mean. There's so many clips of her.

[B]

That is so mean.

[A]

That is mean. But I think her fans like that though. They want.

[B]

I'm assuming it's camp, I'm sure.

[A]

But also I think her fan. I think that. I think the Barbs want that. Like, they want Nikki to give them the mic and they sound bad and she snatched it from them. Like, I think, like they want that.

[B]

The Internet. The Internet has lost it's mind.

[A]

Why not?

[B]

Well, that's not true. But the Internet is. My timeline is literally only Cowboy Carter. It is the only thing I can see. And honestly, I'm low key over it. Like, it's. It's too. It's sometimes when there are. There are two artists who are just pushed so much, I'm like, I can't. I'm not even interested in listening now. I've not listened to Taylor Swift's last three or four albums. I think the last thing I listened to was the one that had look what yout Made Me do on it. I was working out the other day and I heard a song and I was like, oh, I like this song. And someone was like, that's Halo Swift. And I said, had no clue. Had no clue.

[A]

Do you think the Internet is pushing it or like, I think that your fans are just Faggy gay people. Queer people who love Beyonce.

[B]

When I say the Internet, I mean my corn event. I don't think. I don't. The Internet doesn't have a mind of its own. The Internet has an algorithm and it does things like that, and it just picks on. Picks up what people like and people. What people like you like. So I don't think the Internet has a. Has. It has a bias in and of. In and of itself. But I think that because I'm a black gay man, it is like nonstop Cowboy Carter. That being said, the someone needs to do a research and study on Roxy Andrews and the speed with which she can bang out these crazy, stellar looks. I do not know how she made this Cowboy Carter outfit, but it is incredible. In y' all go to. Roxxxy Andrews is fucking. I don't know if it's on her Instagram. I don't know if I saw it on Twitter. I don't know.

[A]

I think it was on TikTok. I saw it.

[B]

I think I might have saw it on Twitter. It's all over socials. Roxxxy Andrews recreated the Cowboy Carter look, and I don't know if she made it. I mean, she makes all of her own drag, but it's just. Yeah, she made it herself.

[A]

Yeah, she makes all of it. She created, like, she created a couple of Beyonce looks, and I remember she posted when she bought the fabric, like, four days ago. So she made this outfit within the last four days?

[B]

Yeah, she made. Is beyond remarkable. Her ability to costume. Roxxxy Andrews might be one of the best costume makers in the history of Drag Race. She's so good, and I feel like. And I feel like we're not having that conversation.

[A]

She may.

[B]

I feel like we're having the conversation about. About Utica and Q and who else they talk about. I feel like Utica and Q are the one. Or. And Nymphia Nguyen. Who else? Gets a lot of dawn. I feel like a lot of the older girls don't get a lot of praise for being great costume designers.

[A]

She also. Roxxxy Andrews also made that gown for Sassy Divine in Miss Glamorous, which was immaculate as well. Roxy is so. She's so good. And people don't. Roxy can do everything. Roxy makes all her own hair. She makes all of her costumes. She, like. Roxy is so. She is so fucking good at costuming and hair and just drag. That's why so many queens fuck it. And she's also the nicest fucking person. Roxxxy Andrews is the sweetest Fucking person. You go down there. I. Twice. For some reason, when I go to fucking Orlando, I forget something, and I'm like, hey, girl. And she's like, oh, yeah, girl, sister. And she's just always willing to help. I fucking love Roxxxy Andrews so much. She's amazing. She's a beautiful person.

[B]

Shout out to Roxxxy Andrews.

[A]

Let her make it clear.

[B]

I really love.

[A]

Right.

[B]

Yeah. Southern nights.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

No.

[A]

Yes. Southern nights.

[B]

I was thinking south beach, which is right here in Houston, Texas. Um, I'm in Beyonce's hometown. Maybe I might be down the street. Maybe I'll. Maybe that's why. Maybe that's why my phone is spamming me with Beyonce content.

[A]

Because I'm in Houston, you know, the inside of tea. I was supposed to do the. I was supposed to do the two Houston shows, but I couldn't do it.

[B]

Well, I'm so sorry you couldn't.

[A]

I know I would have. Would have been very lovely to be there with you.

[B]

Yeah, it would have been. Would have been nice. But anyway, shout out to got Mick, who came by the show last night.

[A]

She was. She was the. She was the guest last night.

[B]

Yeah. And they were trying to. They were trying to. I was explaining Mick to one of the. Because they were trying to, like, fix the light. They're like, oh, the guest tonight, they do this photo on stage. They just wanted, like, adjust the lights, and they're like, the guest tonight. Does anyone know what I was like, yeah. And they're like, is she, like. Is she, like, white or black? I said white, but, like. But, like, whiter than white. Like, as white as you can imagine. Like. Well, I mean, I was like, clown white. Like, literally clown white. And then they kept being like, um, well, okay. And they showed up, and they were like, oh, you meant white? And I was like, yeah, bitch. I said clown white. They don't know what white means. Huh?

[A]

They don't know what clown white means.

[B]

Everyone knows what clown white means. Clown white is, like, the white face of a clown. Like, clowns are white in their faces. Clown white is so descriptive that you don't. If someone goes. Someone is clown white, they paint their faces white. She's like a clown. That is pretty descriptive.

[A]

Yeah. I think that tells a little more. If you, like, she paints her face white like a clown. If you said she's clown white, I've been like, what? Okay, wait. Let's take a little break. Let's talk a little more about clown white. Close your eyes. Exhale.

[B]

Feel your body relax.

[A]

And let go of whatever you're carrying today. Well, I'm letting go of the worry that I wouldn't get my new contacts in time for this class. I got them delivered free from 1-800-contacts. Oh, my gosh, they're so fast.

[B]

And breathe. Oh, sorry.

[A]

I almost couldn't breathe when I saw

[B]

the discount they gave me on my first order.

[A]

Oh, sorry.

[B]

Namaste.

[A]

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[B]

1-800-contacts.

[A]

Okay, so. And also, people know for. So clown white is literally the color of a Ben Nye paint that you use in theater makeup.

[B]

Clown. Not just Ben N. It's clown white is a color across, like, Ben Nye, Mayron, a lot of them. Yeah, clown white's a pretty common.

[A]

Yeah, I. I use Mehron white. It's not cold. It's just called super white.

[B]

Well, they. There. There are several colors called clown white in several different companies. But yeah, clown white is a specific color.

[A]

Interesting. Like. Like. Like, is. Is it like. Is it like vanta black?

[B]

No, it's just white. It's just white foundation.

[A]

No, I'm saying. But is that the name of it? Like, is that, like, the name of that color? Like, vantablack is a specific color. I don't know if I should. White.

[B]

I don't work in the pantone world, so I'm not sure what the name of the what if Clown white is a specific shade of white as much as it is a descriptor. So I don't. I don't really have all the history on the color of. On the etymology or the behind, you know? Clown white.

[A]

You miss you. You. You. You've been really into linguistics and words and things lately. Well, I mean, I guess you've always been into accents, but I feel like I've only recently noticed how crazy you are about accents.

[B]

Well, that's not really linguistics.

[A]

I know. I'm just talking about in the. I'm trying to segue into our topic, Bob. Jesus.

[B]

Oh, I mean, you could have done a little better, nigga.

[A]

You. You try. Let's hear.

[B]

Let's.

[A]

Let's. Let's hear your segue.

[B]

Okay, we got to keep talking then. And then. Then we'll. I'll find a way to. To wiggle into it. So are you ever going to go sit in the chair? Everyone was like, mon needs to sit in that chair. No, I hate that chair. I hate that chair with every fiber of my being. I hate that chair. I hate it. That chair looks like a toy. This looks like it like, like it looks like a chair that would be at the kids table. It looks so tiny. Can you just. Is it a foot, listeners? So it is. So it looks like a. Like a furnace. That would be in your living room. You know the radiator. No, sorry. It looks like a radiator that would be in your living room except the far right end of the radiator just goes all the way up and then leans back a little bit. And it looks like it is. I'm colorblind, but it looks like it's like tangerine or some sort of a peach orange pinky looking color. And it looks plushy, like it's soft to the touch. Like, like, like a couch or something. And the thing, the reason why the chair bothers me is because it looks like a. It looks so. It looks like an ottoman with a chair back on it. And me and a lot of the people who watch our podcast would like for Monet to sit in that chair. Well, when we find out who is.

[A]

When we find Monet will make money. Sit on the chair. But I don't know who that is, so I can't do that.

[B]

Well, sometimes people just say things differently. Monet. Monet. It's just an accent.

[A]

Well, I need you to choose one. It changed every. Every other week it's a different one with you. One week I'm Monet, then I'm Mooney. Shoes. Make a choice.

[B]

Accents and vernacular are fluid. Which leads us to our topic today. Damn, I ate that. Oh, I'm full.

[A]

My God, an appetizer.

[B]

I couldn't have another bite. I don't know.

[A]

You could be full from that riggity crickety transition.

[B]

You ever been so full it hurts, boy.

[A]

Bye.

[B]

Ooh, I gotta unbutton my pants on that one, honey. Stand up. Stand up.

[A]

Show us these pants.

[B]

Stand the fuck up.

[A]

Stand up. Let's see these pants. Bob, can we see the pants?

[B]

You stand up, bitch. Can we see the pants? I'm wearing workout shorts from the waist down. I'll have you all know I'm not wearing pants.

[A]

Look at your little skinny leg. So, Va. What is your relationship with Aave? Because African. Because now I'm saying the words aave, I'm like, oh, my God, there is Caribbean Ve. Or is that just called like, like Saint Lucian Ve? Is that just called.

[B]

So AAVE is a rebranding of Ebonics, right?

[A]

But are Ebonics American only? Or can Ebonics like.

[B]

AAVE is not the way black people talk everywhere, because black people don't Talk the same everywhere. You know what I mean? Right? Obviously, if you've ever met a Nigerian, especially a FOB Nigerian. FOTB Nigerian. The way. You couldn't wait to the end of that was. That was crazy. That was wild. That was wild. What is it? What is it?

[A]

Our audio listeners.

[B]

I'll describe it once. Monet, what was that? What was so good you couldn't wait? Is it. Is it getting cold? It's a rice cake, so it's already cold. It's a Rice Krispies treat, so it's already cold. It is literally not gonna get any colder.

[A]

This is literally me with the curry goat girl. Like, it's just. Like, it was just there. It's just so good. Like, I can't resist. I had to.

[B]

I once did an interview with a drag queen, and we were on camera, and during the interview, this queen. It was for, like, a big thing.

[A]

Say their names.

[B]

I don't want to say. I don't want to say her name. And you'll know why by the end. But we're doing the interview, and during the interview, like, we're talking to someone from, like, Entertainment Weekly or something, and she just, like,

[A]

I know who it is, too.

[B]

And I mean, throughout the whole interview, and I kept being like, you can't wait. This is crazy.

[A]

Anyway, well, I understand Ebonics and av. I'm just saying, like, real quick, before

[B]

I get any bunch of av, real quick, I want to ask you, because the Internet is lighting. Lighting Jennifer Lopez up right now over

[A]

in the bodega order is just in general.

[B]

Well, not just everything. But the. But the. But the. But the bodega order has genuinely upset New Yorkers. Now, I'm not from New York City. I lived in New York City for 12 years. I, too, have a bodega order. I'm going to share my bodega order with you all. But. But I want you all to hear what Jennifer Lopez's bodega order is and why it apparently upset every single person on the Internet. So what's your bodega order? While I look for. While I look for JLo, what's your bodega order?

[A]

I have two. Either I get a bacon and cheese on a croissant toasted with butter, or when I'm feeling real spicy, I get a grilled chicken on a hero with light mayo, mayonnaise, and bacon and cheddar cheese. And the bread has to be toasted. And when they cook your chicken, they chop up the chicken and onions together with the cheese so it makes Like a nice little gooey thing. And then they put that on the bread with the bacon in there.

[B]

I'm just. I'm not saying that this is, like, a thing, but I'm just saying, like, I know obviously I'm about to be in the least popular group of the world, but, like, mayonnaise can really ruin a meal.

[A]

But light. Light may. I don't want it. I don't want it sloppy wet with mayo.

[B]

Just a little.

[A]

Just. Just to. Just to hydrate the bread. Just a little light mayo on the bread to hydrate it.

[B]

Why don't you just use, like, guacamole or a little bit of oil or

[A]

guacamole on my sandwich?

[B]

Or ketchup or mustard. Or not mustard. I don't like.

[A]

But, like, people that put ketchup on egg sandwiches. Y' all are demented criminal.

[B]

It's the same in Mexico. They put mayonnaise on breakfast sandwiches. That's nasty.

[A]

Not on breakfast sandwiches.

[B]

Like. Like, there are certain parts in certain neighborhoods in LA where if you get a sausage, egg, and cheese, it's gonna have. You have to say no mayonnaise, because they. They love mayonnaise in Mexico. All right, so here's. Here's. Here's J. Lo's bodega order that has upset the world. Else that real New Yorkers say you. And what was your go to order at the bodega?

[A]

My go to order at the bodega was ham and cheese on a roll with an orange drink.

[B]

If you know, you know, And a small bag of chips that has upset the world.

[A]

Why?

[B]

Because they're like, that's not a real motherfucking order. And what's an orange drink? And what small bag of chips. What small. Small bag of chips are you fucking talking about? So for me, my bodega order was. I used to go to Amsterdam. Amsterdam. What was the name of that? I think it was called Amsterdam. Amsterdam Bodega, Amsterdam Deli.

[A]

They were really inventive.

[B]

I would get a sausage, egg, and cheddar cheese on a croissant. Sausage, egg, and cheddar cheese on a croissant. Grill the bread, and then grill the. The sandwich down as well. I would get a bag of munchos. I. Munchos are.

[A]

That's a little rainy things.

[B]

No, Munchos are these chips that imagine lays. Like, imagine regular salted lays. But they're puffy.

[A]

Oh, yeah, but they're.

[B]

But they're. They're still like this. They're not like puffs. They're not like cheetos they're like. Imagine, like the shape of a Pringle or a layer, but just kind of puffy, very salty.

[A]

A Pringle or a Lay. I am screaming, I cannot.

[B]

And they only come in. They only come in one flavor. And then I would get a Calypso, like, blue lemonade, like, you know, the Calypso bottles. And if not a Calypso, if I wasn't in the mood, something tart. I would get a cream soda, a Dr. Pepper, something like a sweet, but, like, earthy sweet, not sweet. Like. Well, cocoa is kind of earthy sweet, but like cream root beer, that kind of thing. And I prefer. I prefer A and W root beer. And I also. Or. Or I also went on a pretty big kick where I mug is not bad either. And there was a while where I was real mug root beer.

[A]

Oh, I'm not a root beer, girly.

[B]

And then I was really into ginger beer for a while, too.

[A]

Ginger beer is too spicy.

[B]

Why is it spicy?

[A]

Icy spicy. Too pricey. Okay, so my point was saying, yes, I know about ebonics in America, but I'm like. But I guess I already answered my question, because in St. Lucia, we didn't call, like, we didn't call it Ebonics, like, when we spoke. But again, St. Lucia is a black country. Like, countries that, like, for example, in the uk, do they call how black people speak. Do they call that Ebonics?

[B]

Well, in Jamaica, they say patois, so they have a name for what they're saying, even though Jamaica is a black country.

[A]

But patois is not. It's kind of like it's the bridge between the language spoken there and the English. So every country has patois. Like, Belize is patois.

[B]

There's another language. There's another language. In Jamaica, they speak outside of English.

[A]

Yeah, I think. Oh, no, maybe not Jamaica, but in, like, Belize, right? Patois is like this, like, English speaking Spanish, French. In Saint Lucia, patois is Spanish. I mean, English and French together. Like, in Trinidad, they have patois. It's. So patois just means, like, English and another thing, like, blended together.

[B]

Oh, I didn't know that. But also, clearly, black people in different parts of the country of America obviously speak differently. For example, we were discussing the word munch on the last podcast, and munch is a word that is, quite frankly, too young for me. I don't think munch was out when I was in high school. And. And it certainly no one in the south was saying it, so I heard. Yeah, in the south, no one's Saying much. Especially back in, like, the year 2000. I don't even know if the word munch is before the year 2000, let alone.

[A]

Yeah, it's later in life. Like, Munch is a. Munch is a. Not newer. I would say munch probably got circulated when I. When I. When I was in high school, I heard the term munch or maybe college.

[B]

But, yeah, there was certainly no one in Georgia in the early 2000s or even up 2008 saying much. You know what I mean? So, like, none of my friends would have ever said that. And. But I. And I don't think that Aave and someone's gonna. Again, me and Monet are not experts. Take everything. Me, Mon with a grain of salt. We're not linguistics experts. We're not linguists. We are not, you know, vernacular or lexicon geniuses by any stretch of the imagination. But there is certainly a. And this is problematic, but there is a way to sound black. I do think there is a way to sound black. There are things that people can say, and you will sound like a black person. For example, I think that anyone who probably hears me talking probably can assume that I'm black and that I'm gay. Like, I just. I sound gay.

[A]

I don't think you sound gay, though.

[B]

You definitely sound black.

[A]

Like, if I heard you don't ever.

[B]

You think I sound straight?

[A]

I don't think it sounds straight. But you don't sound gay. You sound neutral. Like someone. Like someone like Patti. Patty sounds gay. Patty has a gay ass voice. Like Mateo sounds gay, but you just sound neutral.

[B]

What do you sound? Do you sound gay?

[A]

I don't know how I sound. You tell me. I don't know. I don't think I sound particularly gay. I think I sound neutral, New York black.

[B]

I think that you sound. First of all, I think you sound Caribbean, even though you were fighting me on this for a very long time. You sound Caribbean. You do sound New York, but through a Caribbean lens, for sure. It's going through a Caribbean filter and then it comes out New York on the other side. Because you don't sound like a Nuyor Rican. You don't sound like. You don't sound like someone from the Bronx. You don't sound like Cardi B. You don't sound like one of those. You don't sound like Bernie Sanders. You sound like someone who fucking eats from East Flatbush. Someone who eats beef patties growing up. You know what I mean?

[A]

So wait, Jacob, I have a question. Jacob, do you think Bob sounds like do you think Bob sounds gay, or do you think, like, how does he sound to you?

[B]

I mean, I think there's a spectrum, so I think he does. But if the spectrum is, like, Patty and Mo and mateo at, like, 10 versus, like, straight frat bro at, like, zero, I would put Bob at, like, a six. A six. Okay. If. If, if Ross Matthews is a 10 and Jason Momoa's a one, I would say I'm around a six.

[A]

I would say you're a. I would say you're a four.

[B]

That's. That make that mean that sounds straighter than gay. That's crazy to me. I, I, I.

[A]

Okay, 4.5. You're, like, right. You're right in the middle. Neutral to me. Like, is. You just sound neutral. It doesn't sound straight. Doesn't sound gay. You sound, like, right in the middle.

[B]

Well, you all sound off in the comment section. Do I sound straight? Do I sound. My mother also thinks that I. People don't know I'm gay. My mom thinks people. My mom thinks people don't even know that I'm gay, which is wild to

[A]

me, looking at you. You. You look so gay. You have a very gay look.

[B]

That's what I think. But my mom's like, nah, not you. And I'm like, I don't know if this is your. I don't know. I don't. That's not my experience. In my experience, I've had a lot of people in my life assure me how gay I am on site. Also, I want to point out that we are. We have 21 minutes. We have posted the poll 12 minutes ago. It is 62% Monet and 37% Bob. So it's not looking good for you, Mom.

[A]

We'll see. Jacob, I'm from zero. From Jason Momoa to Ross Matthews. Zero to ten. Where am I?

[B]

I would say you're probably a five or a six as well.

[A]

Interesting.

[B]

I think Monat probably sounds a little bit gayer than me, but I don't sound like I don't. I do. I'm on the gayer side of five. I'm six and up. Why you. Why are you getting angry at me?

[A]

Shaking your head and being. Being all. Doing all your little Ebonics with your voice with your. Hey, y'. All. It's your favorite siblings, Bob and Monet, and we have some upcoming dates that we would love to see y' all at.

[B]

Please do not forget to come see us on May 5th at the Netflix is a Joke Comedy festival in Los Angeles, California.

[A]

And Then we're doing Sibling Rivalry live in San Diego on June 7. A summer of siblings. Sounds fabulous to me. Okay. Okay, y', all, this is Monet X Change. This is not a drill. This is not a drill. My US tour of my hit Edinburgh Fringe Festival show Life Be Life. And it's coming across America, baby. We're coming to Seattle, Portland, Denver, Salt Lake City, Tucson, Asheville, Atlanta, Boston, Philadelphia, Washington D.C. and San Francisco starting April 30, all the way through May 19. Y', all, I am so beyond proud of this show. It's so dope, it's so fierce. And I want you guys to all experience it. So please go to monetexchangelive.com and get tickets to see my hit or one woman show, Life Be Lifein about, you know, darkly humorous, poignant coming of age sanging a one woman show. You don't wanna miss it. I'll see y' all there.

[B]

So my thing is this, like, I. Sometimes I don't realize the things that I'm saying and how quote unquote black or how quote unquote white what I'm saying sounds because it's just how I talk. You know what I mean? And I didn't realize that something I'm saying, someone like that sounds white or that sounds black. It just low key never occurred to me. Which is weird because when I grew up, I had people being like, you think you white? You sound like you white. And I was like, do I?

[A]

Yeah, do I? I never had that.

[B]

And then when I got. But then when I got older, apparently, I think it's because. Maybe it's because I left a black community and I went into New York City. And I mean, I lived, I lived in. I lived in a lot of different communities. I lived in like Middle Eastern neighborhoods. I lived in. I don't even know what I would consider Upper west side where I was at. That's like a. It was pretty mixed over there. And then I moved to a Dominican neighborhood.

[A]

Well, when you lived, when you lived in Minnesota for that thing, did they think you sounded white?

[B]

No, because they. But that's because they sound. They are white white. Like Minnesota or like for all. For sure, in Minnesota, they're talking a lot differently than I. But also when I moved to Minnesota, to be fair, also I had a much thicker Southern accent when I moved to Minnesota. Like, I used to have a Southern accent. Like a thicker, a thick Southern accent. Now my accent is very.

[A]

You don't have one. It's just not as thick.

[B]

No, I Do have a. I do have a Southern accent, but I used to have a very thick Southern accent. And I. We post some old videos on the patreon of me when I had. When I. When I first moved to New York

[A]

City, y', all, when it was kind of raised. When Bob is on his family, this nigga, he has a fucking straw hanging out his mouth, and he'd be like, what are y'? All?

[B]

What are y'? All. What are y'? All.

[A]

What are y' all doing down there?

[B]

I'm like, what the fuck are you? And what you got hanging out your mouth? Curry goat and fucking. Fucking, yeah. Beef patty. What?

[A]

But like, Emma, what y' all doing out there? Cameo.

[B]

Okay. No, no. First of all, I call my mother Ma. I don't go, hey, it's not. Hey, Moyo. I say. I would say mom, what y' all doing over there? Mom, what y' all doing? Camille, I'll go. Cat me on. Can you come downstairs, please?

[A]

To me don't sound like that.

[B]

Ma, what y' all doing down there? I say, ma, what y' all doing down there? Ma, what y' all doing down there? Ma. Also, it's Ma. I call her Ma.

[A]

I know I can't get that.

[B]

Ma.

[A]

My voice can't do that.

[B]

It's not Ma, it's Ma.

[A]

Well, here's my question. So, like, so I guess growing up, I didn't. I didn't have the white talk thing. And I think that. I think when I. When I. When I in St. Lucia, because it's a black country, I wasn't aware of it. But coming to America, like, the adjustment of leaving St. Lucia and being a young kid in America, I learned aave, like, just from going to school and having friends and having a black American experience. But before that, I didn't. Like, Like I said before, like, I didn't. The word. The word nigga was not part of my vernacular growing up. We just. You don't say. Like, that word is just not something that exists in the Caribbean, like, other Caribbeans. Correct me if I'm wrong. Like, we didn't say it in school. I didn't hear it in the community ever. When I moved to the States and I, like, I started speaking aave, that's when like, that became. That was introduced into me as a. As a word.

[B]

So why did you start saying it if you didn't grow up saying it?

[A]

Well, I was also nine years. I was 10 years old, right? So I'm still very impressed. I'm in fucking fifth grade with Other badass New York City kids calling me niggas left, right and center. So it just became part of my. Became part of my dialect.

[B]

Interesting. I definitely grew up in it. I have, I live in a household where everyone says it. I mean, and I mean everyone. The, the, the, the older people, the younger people, like my mom, my, my uncle, my. My nephew. Like, I said it as a child. Like, as a single child. Like, I don't ever remember not saying it.

[A]

Like, so you mean like at like 5 years old, you just niggering around?

[B]

I wasn't niggering, but I was nigga ing.

[A]

You know what I mean?

[B]

I do specifically remember telling my mother, like pointing at Justin and saying, tell this nigga to leave me alone.

[A]

That's crazy. That's just so young.

[B]

And my mom was like, leave your brother alone.

[A]

Yeah. And then I guess when was the conscious effort to change it? Like, do people think that the word ebonics sounded bad? Like, why was there like a conscious effort to change it From Ebonics to AAVE does AAV?

[B]

So, so let's read the def. What. What Dictionary.com says. AAV is black English is all. Is also known as African American Vernacular English, amongst other names, as discussed in the extensive historical usage notes in its entry. This form of English is a complex, of course, as standard English and has many of its own distinct features. This is the dictionary.com has an article called the Complexity of African American Vernacular English. And. Go ahead.

[A]

PBS said eventually the term African American Vernacular English was introduced as yet another synonym for the speech of most blacks in America. However, unlike Ebonics, Black English or AAVE never explicitly referred to the linguistic legacy of the African American slave trade beyond the United States. Interesting.

[B]

And it also says here that if. If you say it's a language, though, you likely hold the Creolus hypothesis view that AAV originated from a Creole spoken out of the southern plantations before the Civil War. A Creole is a full language that develops from pidgin, a super simple language created between two groups who needed to communicate but didn't have a language in common. Have you heard of pigeon? There's people on TikTok who speak pigeon.

[A]

I've heard it and I've. I feel like I've known what it is, but now I can't remember what it is.

[B]

I mean, I don't speak pigeon. I don't know anyone. I don't know anyone who speaks pigeon.

[A]

Pigeon.

[B]

But I've heard of pigeon and I've heard people speak pigeon for sure.

[A]

You remember you Ever seen that clip of that old, old, old talk show? And he's talking to Richard Pryor and he's asking him about, like, about speaking jive, you know what I'm talking about? And he. And the guy, he goes, he goes, like the white host of the television show, he goes, what do you say? And Richard Pryor is like, what? Like, he's basically saying, like, you should understand this Richard Pryor because you're black and you speak jai. And Richard Pryor is like, that's not how I talk. That's very interesting.

[B]

I've not seen that. That does sound quite interesting, though.

[A]

Well, here's the thing. So, like, with fucking, like drag slang and shit, there is a lot of crossover with what are they calling drag slang, but which is also a lot borrowed from just queer black and brown people who have introduced even. And there was this girl with a TikTok who. Cause a lot of like, queer black and trans vernacular English, I want to say, has been taken by straight black people. And they think that they've introduced something where it really originated with black and brown trans people in the queer community. And so there's this, like, things that black and brown, specifically trans people have introduced into slang and into this and into language, oftentimes gets taken by straight black folk. And they don't even know that what they're saying are. It has derived from black and brown trans people. Things like shade and reading and all that stuff. There are so many straight dudes and straight people using that language. And I'm like, it's just so interesting to see, like, dudes. Straight dudes, like, straight dudes, like people like Charlamagne tha God. And people like using things like, oh, yeah, that was shady. Yeah, she read her down, yo. And I'm like, it's just so interesting that they don't know where this language comes from that they're using so freely.

[B]

How do we know? They don't know? Maybe. I mean, I feel like Charlemagne probably knows.

[A]

I mean, Charlemagne is an example I'm talking about in general, in broader strokes.

[B]

Got it.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

I wonder how cyclical all of that really is. Like, I wonder how much of this goes between, like. Like, I wonder how much of this. This language and vernacular was. Is created in groups of mixed demographics, you know what I mean? In like, shade and reading and stuff like that.

[A]

You think that came from mixed.

[B]

No, not shade and reading. Not shade and reading, but like, other things. Like, I wonder how much of the stuff that people are saying is just from, like, groups of friends who are both gay and straight and trans and sis and non binary. And it came out of this whole, you know, the black experience, as opposed to specific demographics of like. And obviously, there are certain things that come from, you know, queer spaces and from straight place spaces and from, you know, sis spaces and from women's spaces and from men's spaces. But it is interesting to see people, say, shady or reading or paying dust or that I do find incredibly interesting.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And like, she paid her dust. If someone said they paid you does. I've heard, like, a straight ago, like, he paid me dust. I'm like, but also is paying you dust. I assume it's from. From the. The black queer community. But I don't know. Is it?

[A]

You know what? We should ask Q. Q would probably know.

[B]

Maybe you think Q is one of the pioneers of black feeling?

[A]

Oh, yeah, for sure. For sure.

[B]

A lot of folks online were really excited that you and Naomi mentioned Q's. And it's, you know, I gotta be. I'm one episode behind on Drag Race, but it seems like Q does it either when she's, like, trying to make a bit. It's like her. It's her version of playing Jane going. Or when she's, like, around other. When she's around black people. Oh, no, girl, they crazy.

[A]

Which again, and I want to say this, I am not saying that Q cannot talk like that. I am not policing how Q can talk. I'm not saying that is not allowed.

[B]

Stand by it.

[A]

There's not allowed to do that. That's not what I'm saying. I'm saying it's off putting to me as someone watching the show. Q can, but she can. She can walk up to the main stage and call RuPaul the N word.

[B]

That's her prerogative.

[A]

She can do whatever she wants to.

[B]

Jesus.

[A]

Right? For me, as a viewer of Drag

[B]

Race, you give Q permission. So you are giving Q permission.

[A]

Yes, I give Q permission to do whatever she wants. With her voice and her language, she can say whatever she wants.

[B]

That's crazy.

[A]

As for me, it's all putting to me. I don't want to. It's not pleasing to me. But she can do whatever the fuck she wants.

[B]

It's not pleasing to me and my homegirls.

[A]

I can't speak to my homegirls I'm talking to right here. Maybe Bob loves it. I don't fucking know. But it's just not pleasing to me. And that she can do whatever she wants.

[B]

I don't love it. I haven't Given much thought to it. But I also kind of grew up in a place where there were some white people, not a lot of white people, and some of them kind of talk like that. So maybe just. I'm just so used to being like, oh yeah, that's some white folks be talking like that. And like, I mean, I grew up in. Obviously I grew up in a black neighborhood. I grew up in. I grew up one. One county east of the blackest city in America, apparently.

[A]

Fulton. What is it? Fulton Street County. What is it?

[B]

Fulton, Georgia or Fulton something Georgia. South Fulton.

[A]

South Fulton.

[B]

So there were just some white people in our neighborhoods who, I mean, most of them did not speak like that. But there were some white folks who hung out with us and they kind of talk like that and we're just like, oh yeah, that's just kind of how that person talks. I was a kid, so I just really wasn't thinking much about it. And as I got older, a lot of them, a lot of them, not all of them, but a lot of them just kind of stop talking like that. I think for me, basically opting out of the marginalization of what it means to sound that way.

[A]

Exactly. And that's what it is for me. I think that's the thing that. Because I grew up, like we've talked about this before, I grew up in my neighborhoods. We had a lot of white kids that went to our school and everything. It's New York City and they spoke like that. But there wasn't a code switching aspect, right? Like, it was like these people who grew up in Van der Veer projects who, like, that's how they talk. Like there was not a. I think it's the code switching aspect of it that is bothersome to me. Like the fact that she just, she's just doing it when it's convenient for

[B]

her, being like, oh my, that crazy girl.

[A]

Ooh, honey chop. And yeah, because, you know, like, I think it's a code switching aspect that is the issue for me. That the people that grew up with

[B]

someone like, Whoa, Vicky. Who's talking about that all the time?

[A]

Who's Whoa, Vicky?

[B]

Whoa, Vicky is this influencer who's like, who's like. Now her whole thing is like, she's like super duper Christian and Woah, Vicky kind of went. Went viral because she was kind of. She's kind of like a bad Barbie.

[A]

Got it.

[B]

Let me see if I can find a Whoa Vicky clip. Whoa, Vicky. This is how Woah Vicky talks. Hold on, let me. I gotta find a couple of her talks.

[A]

Well, while Bob is saying that. So I think it's a culture than thing that she can just pick and choose when she wants to use it, when it's convenient for her in the parameters of the show. But then in other aspects, she clearly is not using it. When someone, Maya, speaks to her Nuyorican, and she's acting like she can't say the words Nuyorican. Cause it's so hard to do. I'm like, but, bitch, you were just like, ooh, honey. But you can't say Nuyor that self. That's the little. The little parts of it that bother me. So, yeah, you got in a lot of trouble because of saying the N word. Correct?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Did you feel like you've taken accountability for it, or do you feel like, oh, yeah. So when I was in high school,

[B]

all I had was black friends, and

[A]

I used to say the word around

[B]

them all the time, and they didn't mind.

[A]

They didn't care. When I had started going viral, it was like, my ex, his family.

[B]

So you hear how she sounds. And here's her apparently. And here's her apparently not doing the. The accent. Hold on.

[A]

Try.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

Say I'm from Atlanta, but without the accent.

[A]

I'm from Atlanta. Still sounds the same for.

[B]

For reference. Can you. So the famous thing of her. She was. It was a bit of her counter. She was like, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 8, 9, 10, 11. And that's just kind of how she was, like, talking. And apparently she's like one of those folks who goes around who went around saying the N word. And, you know, we didn't have a lot of people who were not black. We had a few, like, Latino people, guys specifically, who would say the N word when growing up. But there just was not a big Latino community and were upset about that.

[A]

Was it weird?

[B]

Yes and no. It honestly kind of all depended on the context. And I know apparently in New York, all the Latino people are saying it, which wasn't a thing in the south, and especially there were. Atlanta has a very large Vietnamese population. None of the Vietnamese people said it wild. And the white people didn't really say it either. Like. Like. I mean, there are some white people in the south who say the N word, but ain't. But it ain't no. Ain't no GGA on the end of that motherfucker. Well, I guess I've heard some hard ers growing up, for sure.

[A]

Well, the question is, is it weird because this person. Well, Vicki, it sounds like, that is her experience. It sounds like the people I was saying that I that like, grew up having that experience. So is it, is it weird for her to. Is it weird for.

[B]

Whoa.

[A]

Vicky to you to speak using AAVE when that is her lived experience?

[B]

I mean, I don't know. I mean, did you meet any white people in St. Lucia who had St. Lucian accents?

[A]

Yes, I knew white people. I knew Asian people that have that bitch that speak better Creole and speak better pipes one than me.

[B]

And is that weird?

[A]

No, because that's their experience. Like no one is walking around and being like it is their. That's how they talk.

[B]

Well, you guys have a very different relationship to race than we do here in the States. Right, Obviously. You know what I mean? And I just remember growing up whenever there were certain people who were not black who spoke like black people. It didn't really ring any alarms. But maybe that's because we were all children and I hadn't thinking about it much. But as I've gotten older, it does ring alarms because also because there are way less people. I think that a lot of people grow out of sounding black. I think a lot of people grow out of sounding black. You know what I mean?

[A]

How old is.

[B]

Well, a lot of non black people. A lot of non black people graduate on the bike.

[A]

Say, what is Wol Vicky an older. Is she an older lady or is she young?

[B]

Well, Vicky's like in her 20s.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

Maybe early 30s, maybe.

[A]

Got it.

[B]

She's really proud. She's problematic for a ton of reasons.

[A]

Got it.

[B]

She's problematic for a ton of reasons outside of just saying the N word and, and peddling the cultism of Christianity. And she's a Christian. Her whole thing. She's like a Christian influencer now. And, and her. And her whole thing is also, I think she. I'm pretty sure she's a pretty intense Zionist. So that. Woah. Vicky has a lot going on. Well, Vicky has a lot going on.

[A]

So. So, so we want to flag this thing, but I found to be very interesting, this T teacher sparked a debate on Twitter.

[B]

Wait, before we go on the teacher, can I ask you one quick question? Tell me what's up with if you say the N word and you're not black? The public response to that.

[A]

What's up with it? What do you mean what's up with it?

[B]

Like, is that person done forever? What do you think?

[A]

I think it depends on the person's response. I think if you are a non black person who say the N word, if you how you come out. Like, for example, Woviki's like, well, that's just how I talk. It's how I said it. I grew up with my friend saying it. But if you are someone, like, who's this big, like, didn't Lisa Lampanelli say it? And she came out and she apologized. I don't know what she said. I don't remember what her response was.

[B]

I don't remember her response either.

[A]

But, like, for. Or like Joe Rogan, I feel like there's no apology. And it just feels like, well, I said it. Whatever. Then, yeah, we're like, fuck you. But if you. I don't know. But when. I know when a white person says it, I've made up my mind who you are. Like, you can apologize, but I made up in my mind who you are. And now I can't unsee you that way. Like, if you're just a white person out here just saying the N word, I know who you are. And that's probably unfair. Like, whatever, because you may have made a mistake. Whatever. That's not my problem. I have made up in my mind who you are, that you're a white person that says the N word, and we can't do that.

[B]

I think that, um. If you say the N word and you're not a black person or if you do any offense, quite frankly, and the demographic that. That offends does not. If. If. If some of those people do not forgive you, then that just is what it is, and you have to accept it. And people can bring it up as many times as they want to because you said it. So now they can say that you said it right. You've introduced it to the table. You know what I mean? And we had, like, we. You and I had Eureka on our podcast, you years ago. You remember that?

[A]

At Sony.

[B]

At Sony Hall.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And we were like, so what's up with this? Like, what was. What was. What was that? What that was? And that was before we ever did. Before we ever did. We're here. That was years before we were here. Oh, my God. I cannot believe how long ago that was.

[A]

Can I tell you a story? What? I have never said this out loud to anyone, so I'm gonna say, please bleep out this name. A friend of ours, we were.

[B]

We were.

[A]

We were in a gig in Columbus, Ohio. And then it's right when Bodak Yellow was not. When it wasn't just Bodak was such a big song. And I don't know if I'm making this up if I misheard, but we were in the car, and we were. And we were. We were all. We were all just going in. We were singing the song. It was so big. And there's a part in the song that she says the N word, and I.

[B]

Who is she?

[A]

Cardi B.

[B]

The friend. Oh, is it Bora Yellow? Bora Yellow is.

[A]

Yeah, Cardi B says it, but we were all singing it. And I know for a fact that they were singing it too. And in my mind, I can't make up. In my mind, did I make up that he said it or did he say it?

[B]

Well, that's a pretty big allegation. So you've made the allegation. Now.

[A]

How do we call him? Say it again.

[B]

We should not call him. No, no, no, no.

[A]

And, like, that is something that has been in my heart since that was, what, five years ago? And I'm like. I'm like. And it happened in a moment. And I remember looking back, like,

[B]

I went to a Kendrick Lamar concert, and it was me, Michelle Buto, Sashear, Zamada, Moana Glazier, a couple, like, a lot of funny ladies. And we were all sitting there. But anyway, this story has nothing to do with them. That was just me name dropping. But what happened was, if you ever go to a concert, especially a rap concert, you might be shocked to find that most of the people at the rap concert are from the mountains of caucus. It is mostly white people. And also, the closer you get to the stage, the wider the seats are. I've noticed this at the few rap concerts I have been to. Also, the biggest consumers of hip hop, the biggest demographic that consumes hip hop is white people. Did you know this?

[A]

I did not know that.

[B]

Yes, white men are the largest consumers of hip hop in America. So Kendrick Mars up there rapping. And I'm telling you, it was odd to me because the people in the arena it was at Barclays were rapping every lyric, and I was like, I feel like me and Sasheer were both sitting. Or maybe me and Michelle Buteau. Me and Michelle Buteau were both sitting side by side. We were both like, I bet. Oh, we're certainly outnumbered here.

[A]

Well, at, like, Megan, Thee Stallion concert is happening this summer. Like, Megan has a. She has niggas running all up and through her songs. And I'm sure a lot of them predominantly are gonna be white folk there. So, like, how do they restrain themselves? Or are they just saying it?

[B]

Are they just there?

[A]

Like, at Nicki's concert at fucking gag City, all the white People, they just. Or they're just like, I need to.

[B]

Where they. And like, are they like, I don't know. Have you heard Killer Mike's new song? Hello, my nigga hello, my, hello, my nigga hello, my nigga. Anyway, let's talk about this document from the teacher.

[A]

Yeah, so this. This teacher on X, she. Well, to her class, she's banning 32 words from being spoken in her classroom. And she said the gibberish some of you choose to use is improper English.

[B]

Okay, let's. Let's read the whole thing. Let's read the whole thing. And just to be clear, by the way, we do not know anything about this teacher. We don't know if this teacher is a man, a woman, black, white, young, old. We don't even know if this is their real letter. She says this is just something that's circulating on X.

[A]

The gibberish some of you choose to use is proper English. There.

[B]

You're not reading the whole thing.

[A]

No, I'm reading the thing that she. That she said before. There are many ways to. There. There are many ways to articulate what you need to say without using slang. Please.

[B]

But you're not reading the whole thing. Start from the beginning.

[A]

Oh, I was reading the thing before.

[B]

At the very top.

[A]

If you're. These words. Sayings are prohibited in my classroom. If you're caught using these words, you will write a short essay explaining why you chose to use these words in an academic setting to express yourselves. There are many ways to articulate what you need to say without using slang. Please know that using slang in an academic setting can diminish your capability to become a successful writer. More often than not, the way you speak is the way that you will write. The gibberish some of you choose to use is improper English and sometimes inappropriate for an academic setting. This is an educational institution, and you will carry yourself as scholars in my classroom. Here's the list.

[B]

One of my questions is this. Like, so is this. Are you the same teacher who's handing them fucking Huckleberry Finn where they're speaking in busted, broken, raggedy English?

[A]

Right, bitch? Anyway, so these are the words. The number one is bruh.

[B]

Let's switch off every five, ok, bruh?

[A]

Standing on business. Ooh wee. Ski ski. You ate that up.

[B]

That's Cap. What's up, gang? Bet. Oh, my God. Ms. T. Oh, God.

[A]

Oh, my mama. Oh, my dad.

[B]

Riz.

[A]

What's up, G? Wade in the cut with my twin.

[B]

Just vibe. Get on, bro. On hood gang gang N. On me

[A]

on the Set freak. You mean period

[B]

munion? I don't even know what that is. Big dog motion. Wait, motion and. Or big motion. Just vibe. Twin. What's up, twin?

[A]

Nah, it's giving.

[B]

Okay, I'm old. Cause some of these. I don't know what mu. I don't know what munion is. I don't know what motion. I don't know what motion means.

[A]

I don't know motion. I know big motion. Like, that's like, the move.

[B]

Okay. What other ones? Those are the ones I really didn't know. Yeah, but, you know, this seems really inappropriate to me.

[A]

I agree. I don't. Like. I think that, like, you, like, you have to acknowledge that this is how kids speak. I think there is a precedent you can set. Like, hey, when we write our papers in school, I would like us to blah, blah, blah. But to say that you are banned from using this, to me, that's inappropriate, and I don't think that that's fair. Like, it is, like, slang is going to. Slang has existed since forever. Kids are going to use slang. And you can set a precedent that in scholarly articles or papers you're writing for. For academic merit, you have to use a certain set of things. But to say that you cannot use these words, they're banned. I think that's wild. I think that's an appropriate.

[B]

Well, it depends on what you're writing for. If you're asking a student to write about their feelings, about their experience, they should use their word and how they speak. But if you are teaching grammar and it is a lesson on grammar, then I think there's nothing wrong with being like, hey, guys, this is grammatically incorrect. Just so you guys know, I'm just teaching you grammar. I'm. I'm. I'm an English teacher. I'm teaching you English. And this is where a comma goes. This is how you use the preposition. This is how you. This is. This is where. This is what a pronoun is. Which apparently we really need to teach the world what pronouns are over and over and over again, because people don't understand what pronouns are. So I think if you're teaching grammar, then yes, but if you just want to write about their life and their experience, they should be able to use their words, their language, and their lexicon.

[A]

Yeah. Especially, like, when you, like, have kids writing, like, autobiography, like, autobiographical things, and you're writing about, like, your summer vacation and stuff, like, using these words is acceptable. I think it's really insane to say you cannot use these words. At all.

[B]

That. That's wild to me because, you know, a lot of the words that Shakespeare and. And Shakespeare, they were just making shit up using slang that is now standard English.

[A]

Yeah, wild.

[B]

So why can't the words that other people are using be also considered sent into English? Like, I mean, I challenge any of you to go back and read the Color Purple. You know, it's a really beautiful book, and it's written. The first couple of chapters are written completely grammatically incorrectly on purpose, obviously, but it is a brilliant piece of work. A, B, brilliant.

[A]

You know, Bob, you're a brilliant piece of work.

[B]

That doesn't sound like a compliment. You're a piece of work.

[A]

I said you're a br. See, you're picking and choosing what nigga say. I said you're a brilliant piece of work. How is that not a compliment?

[B]

You're a brilliant piece of work.

[A]

N. You better. You better take and twist and mold us into an insult. I can't. I'm done. I'm not giving any more compliments on the motherfucking podcast, Okay? I didn't ask you for anything, and you won't be getting anymore. So we're both on the same page.

[B]

Monet, you're a brilliant piece of work. Let's just put it that way. Let's. Let's go and look at the poll and see if Monet is going to accept the results or if she's going to somehow accuse me and Jacob of skewing the truth. So on the poll, we have a poll that says who sings more on the podcast? Bob Monet. We're recording right now. We need you to settle this. We have the 1,343 votes. Monet has 6. 64% of the vote. Bob has 35% of the vote. So, Mon, do you now accept that it is a general consensus that you sing way more than I do on the podcast? And most people think that I don't

[A]

know that to be true?

[B]

See? Wow, y'. All, I told you. Monet is going to pull a trump. She's not going to accept the results. I told y'. All. This is. This is a last warning to everyone in my nation. By the way, we've closed our borders. You can't come over to Bobblehead nation no more. You need to go find.

[A]

You're giving America.

[B]

Do not come. Do not come. You need to find refuge somewhere else, because the bobbleheads. We are. We are. We. We took the last few scragglers that we could from Monation, but now y' All y'.

[A]

All.

[B]

Maybe y' all go over to Jada S's hall, wherever she's at. Maybe y' all can go to Trixie the Trix. Trixie the Bar Barbies, whatever she calls hers. Katya, whatever she calls her people. Maybe I can go over to the Priyankas, what's my names. But y' all can't come here no more.

[A]

First of all, I. It's comical to me that you think more nation people will settle for the fucking. The fucking mayhem and anarchy that exists over there in bobblehead land. It is confusion. It is chaos over there. Okay. Okay. And again, I am not saying that we are a perfect society, that we are a perfect community. But what I do, what I will say is that we are a happy community and we are working together. And we don't. There is no. This is. This is not an authoritative. Okay.

[B]

This is not an authority. You don't even accept. You don't even accept democracy. We voted. The people voted. You're like, I don't know. Can you start by accepting democracy and saying that most of our listeners think that you sing more than I do on the podcast. Let me read some of the comments. Monet girl. Lol. Didn't you just give us a new single like 10 seconds ago? Like girl. Monet down. However, when Bob sings, he puts on a show for the girls and gives up to 10 minutes per verse. That is true. Sibling rivalry. The musical coming soon. I feel like Monet often will sing like a line or two or her own enjoyment, but Bob brings out a theater kid energy. Yes, honey. And wants us to know that she knows every word to the song. Exactly. Do not. And she says do not. Connor says, do not interrupt him. Monet sings more while Bob raps more. Period. Monet 100. 100.

[A]

Monet sings in beats and pieces. Bob turns into Wayne Brady. Bob turns into Wayne Brady and there's a whole production with finger snaps and all.

[B]

Monet hands and toes down, chose Chaos today and voted for Bob. Someone said they obviously they chose Chaos and voted for Bob. So one of those votes didn't even count. Lol. Maybe Monae is more often but bop discrediting people's votes. Chaos invoted Bob Mon. I can hear the high notes and octaves as I'm typing. Monet sings more often, but when Bob sings, she gotta pause the whole production and ends up taking live.

[A]

Anyway. Also, I want to plug. I am doing my. My tour lifey lifing across the United States. So come go to monetexchangelive.com and get.

[B]

You're saying across. You're just saying the word across.

[A]

Oh, across. To go to monetexchangelive.com to get tickets. I'm starting April 30th and the tour ends May 19th, and I hope to see you there in your city, girl.

[B]

I saw it at the Dynasty Typewriter.

[A]

You saw the first one, though. You got to see the new one. Has it changed so much?

[B]

I would love to be able to see. I think I want to be on tour. When is the last show?

[A]

May 19th.

[B]

Oh, I can probably see it work.

[A]

Also, there's something else I want to tell you. Oh, y', all. We need y' all to. Y' all are doing good for a while. We need y' all to bring it back up. We need to go on Spotify and Apple and give us reviews, review our podcast, give us a five star rating, please, and leave a comment. It really helps, y'. All. It really, really, really helps. We are in some. We're in some negotiations right now, and the more likes and things that y' all give us, the more leverage you give us. So give your girls a five star rating.

[B]

You giving all our business out. This is crazy.

[A]

Whatever,

[B]

y'. All. Monation, yo, I can't live in monation. I'll visit, but the tourism board is crummy. The tourism board is. Is a crazy. Stop evoking that woman. All right, y'. All. Goodbye, everyone. All right,

[A]

y'. All.

[B]

No, this podcast not over when I tell. I said goodbye. Keep that in the moment. I didn't even. The spit hadn't even left my mouth. This bitch is already eating curry goat.