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my name is Bob the Drag Queen.
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And I'm Monet X Change.
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And this is sibling rivalry.
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On today's episode, we talk about selling
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our drag, we talk about accent and
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languages, and we find out what made Bob say this.
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I mean, well, Spanish is really just honoring the culture of colonialism, colonization. I mean, all you're really doing is just honoring the fact that white people colonize entire indigenous communities. And we found out what made Monet say this.
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Oh, bitch, you have a storage unit. You have a whole ass house. You have a. You have a storage unit, a whole ass house and another apartment. You have two homes. Go through your shit to Ezra. Give it to Jacob. Oh, my God. Oh, we sent it to you, bitch. I sent it to you. So do you want to say thank you?
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Why are you so nasty?
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Tell me thank you.
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You're being. You don't make it fun to be nice to you.
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You look so cute.
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I honestly can't believe you said this to me. I know the full story, by the way. I know the full story. But I'm very grateful still, even though I know the full story.
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What's the full story?
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The full story is I'll start by saying thank you very much for this jacket. This is one of my favorite items from your closet ever, ever, ever. So Monet had this jacket a while back from RuPaul's Drag Race, obviously.
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And I all stars for when I.
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When I tell you I begged for this jacket. I'm not exaggerating.
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It was okay.
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I'm not. I literally begged.
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It was the final night of Expose when I was filming my house. And then Bob was like, I want to wear your motocross thing. He was like, can I have it? I was like, no, I'm going to keep it. Like, monet, let me have it. I was like, no, Monet, I'll pay you for it. I was like, no, I want to keep it.
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And then. But then down the line, I kept saying, can I buy the jacket? It wasn't just one night. I said, well, can I buy? I remember that it happened. I kept saying, can I buy the jacket? Can I buy? And Monet kept being like, no, no, no, no, no, no. And I said, okay. And I said, just whatever you do, please don't sell it to anyone else, Please.
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I don't remember that.
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I promise you it happened. I said, please don't give it away. Please don't sell it. Please don't give it away, because I really want this jacket. I will pay whatever you want. And then Monet sold the jacket, but the person didn't pay for it. And then as an afterthought, Monet, here we go.
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Now you're adding your own spice. It wasn't an afterthought. No person to buy it. And I was like, you know what? We should just give it to Bob. He was like, okay. And we emailed it to you. So I said, thank you.
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But I did say, monet, please, just. By the way, you don't owe it. You could have set it on fire. It's yours.
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Absolutely. Monet's back. But we send it to you.
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But you could have peed on it.
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And I did.
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Did your poo poo on the Pol Art piece. You wanted to do Poopo and a Popo where you shit on cop cars.
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Oh.
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But even though all that.
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What are you gonna do with this outfit?
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Where? It's a jacket.
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Where are you coming?
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I'm wearing it on my body.
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We have the whole outfit.
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I mean, maybe wear the whole outfit at some point, but right now I'm just. I just. I really was mainly interested in the jacket as an out of drag piece. And I have it now and I really like it.
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Work. You're so silly.
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Why am I so silly?
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He has a pain. Some of the paint's coming off on those pieces.
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It's a cool look. It looks like I fell off a motorcycle and distress. Yeah, I'm into it. Oh, well, I'm really mad that you sold your Garments.
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What it was. I was moving, and I. You know, this drag just. I had so much stuff, and I was like, I cannot bring all this to la. And I was like, you know what? This has been sitting here for, at that point, four years. I was like, what am I going to do with this?
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Monet sold the dress. She won Drag Race in that.
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Which dress? Which dress?
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The African.
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No, I have that one. I kept that one.
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It was on the list.
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Yeah, we ended up keeping it, though.
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I swear. Thank God.
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I kept both entrance looks. I kept both finale looks.
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But I can't believe you were ever gonna sell them. That was so. That is wild.
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Right? But the thing. I didn't win Drag Race in it, though. I run Drag Race in that red leotard. Cause they don't do like that anymore.
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But when. But when you were at the. When you. It was your coronation garment, right?
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Yeah, but it's not as special as being at the Ace. The Ace. Ace. What you call it?
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Theater.
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Theater. And, like. Like, yours is, like, special. It was, like, a big moment.
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I have the one that I want Drag Race in on tv, and I have my coronation gown still.
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Oh, yeah, the one that. What's the name? Michael Perez made the blue one.
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Yeah, and Michael and Mike Perez doesn't even make dresses anymore.
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Really?
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He's. He's. He's retired.
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Is he?
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Yeah, well, he had. He had an injury.
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Oh, okay.
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Like, an injury that. That affected his motor skills.
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Got it.
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So he can't. Can I get a. Just a glass of the stuff? So now I have this, like, iconic piece from him. What are you going to do one day? What if Domino retires? Domino goes into burlesque at this point.
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I have, like. I have a lot of Domino pieces that I really love and I cherish. I just love that, too. But, like, they have, like, so you
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should know, it is. It is safe now. This will. This will never be sold on ebay, honey. And I'm saying this out loud. Nam Monet cannot say. I did not say this. If you have any pieces from some historic Drag Race moment, you're just, like, cluttering up your space. I will buy them from you. Instead of selling them to strangers, I
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will buy them for whatever price I say.
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I mean, if I think it's worth it, I'll pay it. If I don't think it's worth it, I'm not gonna pay it.
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Okay, okay, we'll try it out.
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Especially if you're maybe. I saw what you sold with your outfits.
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We just wanted to get rid of them.
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So why would you sell them to me then? Because, honestly, now it's, well, whatever price I say. But you were selling shit for three nickels in a shoe.
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Yeah, the base price was for everything was 150 bucks. Some of them sold for, like, 400 bucks. Some of them. But the base price was 150 bucks.
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Todrick, the same way Todrick, like, saves every. I feel like Todrick gets, like, all of his outfits from tour in those. In those videos. He has two of them. He has two of every one of them made.
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Really?
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Yes.
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Two just for just one break.
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One for one for keeps, and one for like. Or he. Like the one from the show. Thank you, my dear. The one from the show and then the one that he wears.
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Got it.
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Yeah, like. Like the actual one that was worn in the film. And then he has another one made.
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The film. Oh, like, for the videos. Yeah, got it.
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And then another one made for, like, appearances.
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You know, maybe one day I'll regret selling some of that stuff, but I would say it is very cute to see, like, people tagging me on TikToks. I'm like, oh, my God, I got the pink outfit. Someone got my yellow one. I wore in that. I saw Bubbles in that Trolls commercial. Someone tag me in another one episode. It's nice to see you.
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But also, I saw that girl in the Trolls one in a full. Like, at a nightclub, on the ground. Did you see that video? I was like, bitch, she did Bohemian Rhapsody in it. And I was like, in a yellow tuxedo. You're just on the ground, rolling around in a yellow tuxedo.
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Yeah.
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I think that's my fear with getting rid of stuff, and I did get rid of a lot of stuff, is that I don't think people take care of it. Because I did sell my purse first dress. The purse, purse and the purse to two separate people. My purse came back beat up, destroyed, disheveled and raggedy.
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Well, to their point. They never said that. They were like, I want it. They could, bitch. They can sink and sweep the house with it.
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This is not about that one. You're misconstruing what I'm saying. I'm not saying people can't do what they want with it. What I'm saying is I was under the impression that someone would take in, like, and treat it nicely.
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Oh, no, I'm not into that. I'm like, when you buy it, bitch. If you. I mean, my thing is that when you buy it, you probably want it. I think Some people want it to perform. They literally were to perform. This person maybe had it, like, as, like, a party, like they wanted Bob singing for. They had, like, some gay party, and everyone was just, like, hanging around, taking pictures. Who knows what they were doing with it?
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I know exactly what they did with it. They put it on the front of their bike and used it for the AIDS ride from, like, LA to San Francisco in the rain and shit.
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That was special to them, though.
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The AIDS ride is a very big super whatever. I'm not talking about how special it is. This is not. I'm not debating how special this thing is. What I'm thinking is, I guess I'm one of the people who's really interested in, like, archiving pieces. I think that one day Bianca wants to do a drag museum, and I want to get in on this shit. I'm obsessed with the notion of the stuff that we make, the stuff that we wear. It really is history. It's part of history. You know what I mean? They're iconic moments on television. And I think that down the line, significantly down the line, one day these things would be worth, like, a lot of money and just worth a fierce cultural experience. You know what I mean?
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Maybe, let's say tbd, girl. Who knows if we'll live long enough?
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I mean, what if I live long enough? But the outfits. The outfits will live long enough.
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When I'm dead, who cares? Burn it.
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I'm not like that. I. I'm. I'm really interested. It's kind of like. Are you familiar with the story of Dorothy's shoes?
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No.
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So Dorothy's shoes, the red. The red slippers. There were a lot of them. Like, I think, like, 60 pair, because they were very poorly made. Because, you know, in film stuff, it's like, I have a chair on my porch. It's like a rocking chair. It is falling apart because we use it for Ezra's music video. But everything's made just to last just for long enough. So there were just tons of these shoes, tons of them. And they were like, just in some, like, mgm, like, storage room. Someone got ahold of them. And, like, years later, I was like, oh, my God, I have Dorothy's slippers. And then apparently, this is. Rumor has it, they destroyed, like, every pair, except, like, I think either 6 or 11. They destroyed all the slippers so that the few would be worth more money. So now if you can get your hands on a pair of Dorothy slippers, it is, like, wild. Like, you cannot get your hands on these slippers. It's, like, practically impossible to get them. There's a pair. My outfit was actually on display with a pair of Dorsey in the same. In the same museum as a pair of Dorothy slippers. And I got to see a pair, and I was like, oh, my God, I can't be looking at, like, an absolute half of them. Judy Garland didn't even wear.
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Right.
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She didn't wear all the shoes.
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You know, I mean, I'll definitely be the Sponges. The Sponges will definitely live on. And I still have it. It's in great condition. I love it very much. But some of these other runways, I'm like, that's not going to be that for me. And maybe. Maybe I'll be. Maybe I'll one day be proven wrong. And it will be. But also. And again, to that thing, when I sell, I have no expectations that people will be nice to it or people will treat or revere it. I think they just want to own something and bitch. They might fucking chop it. A. Make a leotard. He might say that that's yellow. Make a leotard out of it, probably.
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Which. And that, to me, that isn't. That is an affront to me. I'm like, that's wild. And again, I'm not saying people can't do it. I think there's this whole thing on the podcast when I was saying, like, an hour, reiterate, like. Like, if I buy you a car, if I buy my kid a car, my expectation is that you're not going to stab it and throw and paint. Throw, like, shoot it with paintball guns and, you know, break out the window.
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Sure.
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That's my expectation that you will treat it nicely because I gave it to you.
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Yeah.
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And I don't think that's wild. Now, people can do whatever they want, but, like, I'm, like, I. It would be very shocking if you took it and did something like, you know, wild with it.
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I mean, yes, I understand expectation, but I. I don't have for my clothes that. My garments that I. That I want to show. I don't. I don't. I don't share that same expectation. Now, if I bought my kid a car, of course I would want them. But I also realized, in fact, when my kids are so responsible. I know and I have friends or know of people who. Parents bought them cars, and they didn't revere it like that. You and I both know a friend, you said that she had, like, five cars because she kept on crashing them and busting them up.
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Yeah, we Said on the podcast.
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Yeah, I'm like, so people like different, you know, I. That is my expectation.
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I don't think Naomi wasn't like intentionally crashing.
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Crashing her car when you told me. I don't know anything about Naomi. I didn't even know Naomi drove.
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Naomi. Naomi totaled like, I think four or five cars work, but not intentionally. I don't think normally just like, let
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me run into this wall. Got it.
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I'm assuming, and I think that's a safe assumption.
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She was like, floor it.
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Yeah, that's the one that's like. Well, you told you that. I don't know. We don't technically know, but it's safe to assume.
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No, no, I'm saying I didn't know that you told me the story. I didn't know like what the stories were. I don't. I don't know. I didn't even know that Naomi drove until you told me.
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Yeah, she told. Yeah, she told him. A couple cars work. And I think that when you. Whenever you give someone the sponge dress, you'll probably expect it to. Wherever the sponge dress goes, you would expect.
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I would never give it away. I would keep that forever. I love that. That is an icon now. That is drag race. Hearst to be honey. I would never get rid of that.
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It is. And I just wish that you would look at that. I don't see how that's that coronation dress like that. I'm so glad you did not get rid of the coronation. That would have. That would. I was stressed out. I was on your fucking Debo. Trying to buy shit with these fans. And they got quick fingers. These niggas is quick. I could not out buy any of them. I was gonna buy all of it and then drop it back off at your house.
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I would have been very.
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It's a whole list for me.
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I would have been very upset. And I would say, I don't take your money. And Patty and I would just re. Upload the pictures.
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These are my outfits. I didn't need you to hold them.
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No, no. You have a storage unit. You have a whole ass house. You have a storage unit, whole ass house and another apartment. You have two homes.
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You have a storage unit still.
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Go find somewhere in your home.
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You have a home in New York.
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No, thank you.
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You have a home here and you have a storage unit.
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You have your two places. That way you could go through your shit to Ezra.
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Give me when I hold a few things for you.
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No, not my stuff that I started selling.
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I can't believe that if you sold your stuff on Depop, and then I bought all of it and returned it to your home. No. And then asked you to store it. You wouldn't do that.
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I would not own.
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Just kidding.
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A single thing.
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A little bit of tissue as well. Sorry, my glasses are kind of sweat. Do you have any outfits, Any outfits of mine that you think are iconic, that you're like. Like, I will say this. When people come to my house and they see the purse first dress, they're like, oh, my God. So I have it framed in my living room. People are like, oh, my God. It's the purse first. It's the purse first dress, and the purse is, like, in the corner. Beat up because I made a mistake. Beat up and destroyed. And everyone's like, oh, my God. That's the actual dress from your first episode of Drag Race. I'm like, that's my girl. That's the one.
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I know I would do it. But this one dresses. You can't put it in a friend, girl. She is. That dress is big.
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No, but there's a way.
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I know there is a way, but I'm just like, would you ever get it?
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Like, would you ever get it professionally displayed?
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I mean, I would. It's just such an ugly silhouette. But, I mean, it's so hideous. But take up so much space.
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Like, wouldn't it be cool if you were able to get your hands on Divine's Pink Flamingos dress?
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That would be cool.
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See, Monet, I mean, to be honest.
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To be honest, not for me. I understand how people would. I would not personally figure out, like, oh, my God. Divine, go. I understand how other people saw Divine.
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You wouldn't be like, this is interesting.
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I'll be like, oh, work. But I wouldn't be someone but like, oh, my God. And I understand that people do feel that way, because it is Divine. It is from Flamingos. It doesn't resonate. It doesn't. That's not the same for me. I mean, If I saw RuPaul's original work outfit, the wig and the dress, I'm like, oh, my God. To me, that'll be special. I'm like, oh, my God.
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You mean the red one?
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The red one, yeah. Supermodel of the world. I mean.
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Or if you saw. Or if you saw RuPaul's. Any of those. I mean, I just really. I just fucking love costumes. And if there was ever a drag exhibit, which there needs to be, I would be. When I. When I say first in line, like, I. I would love to see this Stuff. Even stuff I've seen. I want to see Violet Chachki's step down dress. I've only seen it one time in person. I think I touched it while she had it on. I think I just touched her. I was like, girl, I think I touched her waist.
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Oh.
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I was like, oh, my God. Actually, I don't think I could reach her waist because the dress was so big.
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Yeah, maybe I didn't.
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Maybe I was too stressed out that day. But. But yeah, like, you know what it'd be like. Imagine. Imagine this collection. Imagine every dress from every. Every girl who won Drag Race.
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The dress they won in international as well.
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Sure. Yeah. Yeah. How cool would that be if you. If you could see my gold dress? You could see Violet's purple dress. You could see Monet's red leotard.
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Fucking Bianca's silver one.
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No, that's a step down.
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No, that was a step down. That was a step. Oh, yeah, that was a step down. What did she win in? Oh, her black one with the. With the rainbow.
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This may shock you. I think she was in a boat neck dress.
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Nope. She said she did a whole thing. We did a whole thing on the. On the Pit Stop. She said it's not boat neck dresses I wore.
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No, she says a cowl neck. I watched Pit Stop, but we say boat neck. But you know what you're talking about. But you know what I'm talking about. It's a euphemism. It's a little nickname. Honey. Language evolves. Bianca.
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Bianca del Taco.
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Bianca got me into vermicelli beading.
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What is that?
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It's just the way that you put bugle beads onto a garment and it, like, spark. It's like. It's like Halsey was really into it.
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Okay, so vermicelli, like Vermicelli like the. Like the food, the sausage, the meat.
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I think it's pronounced vermicelli. That's what Bianca kept saying, vermicelli.
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If it's Italian, is. Is.
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I didn't say it was Italian. You said it was Italian.
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Vermicelli. Can you look it up for Jacob? How is it spelled?
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Is it.
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I'm guessing V, E, R, M E. I don't know.
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Bianca kept saying vermicella beating. And she. And she's. M I C, E, L, L, I. Bianca's the costumer. She kept saying vermicella beating. Carl Burmer.
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She's also. She also doesn't know what she's talking about.
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You don't even know. You never Even heard of the word. You've literally never even heard of the word until now. You're like, bianca, know what you're talking about. And you just found out about the word.
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I'm right.
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And now you're an expert on. On vermicelli beating. I don't. I don't know. I don't know how to. I'm just based off what. What Bianca said.
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Yeah, I think it's vermicelli.
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You think? I'm sure we could find. Do you see what it looks like?
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Yeah, I see it. Yeah, it's definitely vermicelli.
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Isn't there. Is there a pronunciation on the Internet?
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Yeah, hold on.
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But is it. Is it. Is it. Is that the same as the beating?
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Yes.
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Vermicelli the same one as a beating?
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Yes. Spelled the same way. Are you looking it up?
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That's vermicelli beating. Oh, God.
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There it is.
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When it's shaped like that work and it's like, apparently it is very, very hard to do. Takes a very long time, and it's like a whole fucking thing. How do you feel about. How do you feel about people correcting people's, like, accents when they speak their accents? Let's say you meet someone named Antonio and you say Antonio and they go, antonio. How do you feel about that? I think.
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I think about a situation. I think it's a case by case. If it's someone that. That's me, I would be like, okay. I would try to pronounce it how they want me to do it. Now, Will I always remember? Can I commit to that? No, but I would try. I don't. I don't think it's off putting. I think. I think it's annoying when they're, like, really mean about them. And when they're really rude.
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That's different because they're like, Americans can't pronounce anything.
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I'm like. I'm like, okay, calm down, bitch. I'm like, relax. I'm like, Antonio. But if they're like. It's like, I'm like, hey, hey. But most people don't really do that, though. Have you ever met someone that does that?
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Well, yes, I have. So, like, for example, in. In New York, in my experience, New Yorkers don't do that to people like New Yorkers. There are just so many accents in New York that the way you talk is just the way you talk. So, like, the guy used to live my day, he's calling me Pop. That's how you pronounce my name, Pop. But my mind was like, I know what he's saying. So I don't need to be like, bob, Bob.
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New Yorkers will do it about. About Houston street, though. Like, it's. It's not because people. People say Houston Street. New Yorkers will say Houston Street.
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Well, that's. That's not. That's not. I don't think that's so much of a mispronunciation based on accent. That's just saying that. That's saying the thing wrong. Because it. Because it's spelled.
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The American accent, though, somewhere else would not.
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What do you mean?
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Like, Americans pronounce it Houston. I think other places. No, no, I mean, Americans pronounce it Houston. Like, regionally, people in. People from Texas, people, they will say Houston, but New Yorkers are like, houston. They will make sure they correct you.
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That's not an accent thing, though. That's just. It's just a regionalism. Not even regionalism. Just Houston street is just pronounced Houston. For whatever reason, it's spelled the same as Houston. So everyone. Everyone recognizes the word. Cause we all heard of Houston, Texas, but not everyone's heard of Houston Street. So New Yorkers all know that it's
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Houston street, but New Yorkers will correct you on it. But it's not.
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But it's not an accent, though.
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It's not an exact comparison. But I think it's. It's the same energy. It's the same rudeness as someone from Texas being like, oh, yeah, Houston street, baby. It's Houston. It's this. It's that same energy of correcting someone, meaning.
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No, I think if you said, I'm so happy to be in Houston, Texas, and they were like, it's Houston, Texas, but vice versa.
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In New York, they were like, it's Houston. I feel like it's the same energy of correcting someone.
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I don't know. I see it different because I'm talking about specific accents. Like if, like, for example, Ezra's dad calls me Caldwell because he's Mexican and
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he has a Mexican accent, he doesn't
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pronounce the D. He goes, yeah. He goes, Caldwell. And that'd be like. If I was like, Caldwell. But also I call him Sergio, and his name is Sergio, but I just call him Sergio because I have an American accent and I say Sergio. And we just. We get along like that because that's just how we're doing. We're doing what we can with our accents. It feels easiest to talk, you know, to each other with our Mexican and American accents.
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I always Try my best to do it. Like, for example, like in Los Feliz.
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Catio Pepe.
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When people say, like, you know, caciope. No, it's not caciope. Who's that? Like, I do my best. Like in la, people say los feliz. People say Los feliz. I feel like. Just say Los feliz.
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And again, I'm. I mean.
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But I, like, always try my best to pronounce things with a Spanish accent or Italian wherever I go. I just feel like it's a little respectful and not that it's disrespectful for someone not to do. I feel good doing that, and I feel like I can make the effort to pronounce it properly. Everyone must try this pasta sauce from Trader Joe's.
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That's the video. And people online are obsessed. That's the whole thing. You don't have to show the whole thing.
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So I do to that actively, whether it's Italian, even when it's German, when it's Spanish, I actively do that as a person. Because don't you be. When someone was like, yeah, in Los Feliz.
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No, I don't have any thoughts about people having accents. I. I know.
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It's also not even how the word is spelled. They like this completely different way.
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I honestly just. I just don't have any thoughts. People. I just think that people have accents and people pronouncing different. So when you. When you go to, you know, when you. When you're in Italy, they're going to pronounce it differently. And I think also part of that for me, which is ironic for me living in New York City, people just say things. Everyone's just saying things different. You know, someone comes here and says, if an Australian person comes and says Los Angeles, I'm not like, excuse me. I'm just like, that's just how you say Los Angeles. From where you're from. You just say Los Angeles. And it's just. It just isn't a big deal to me. I just don't understand why we're out here acting like we don't understand what people are saying.
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Because it also drives me the same when people speak Spanish and like, they were like, yeah, paro and vivar and la casa. Like, that's like, I know, I know, bitch. I'm just saying it bothers me. I'm like, you can try to say it with a Spanish accent. Because I just do feel.
C
Does it bother you when people speak English with accents?
A
No, but I. But again, because I feel like I'M trying. I'm trying to honor. Not honor that culture, but I'm trying to be respectful of the dialect of Spanish.
C
By the way, Spanish is really just honoring the culture of colonialism, colonization.
A
I'm trying.
C
All you're really doing is just honoring the fact that white people colonize entire indigenous communities from.
A
Bitch. White people colonized the entire world.
C
I know what I'm saying. It's not, it's not a. It's not like it's right where people are like, respect. It's like you're just respecting the colonization of indigenous people.
A
I'm respecting how. How Spanish people have taught me to speak their language and how Mexicans. That's, that's, that's what I'm expecting. They're asking me to. What they're asking me when I learned to speak Spanish. That's how they asked me to pronounce it. So that's what I'm actively doing. And I feel like for me, for Kevin Burton, Monet X, Change, I feel good doing it that way now, if you don't.
C
I'm not saying there's a problem with someone speaking with an accent. What I'm saying, I think it's weird when you're like it. When you say that it bothers you that people have accents.
A
It doesn't bother. Okay. It doesn't bother people with accents. I feel, I feel like.
C
It's like.
A
I feel like it's a little. It's a little lazy to try not to speak it with a word.
C
So is it lazy to speak English?
A
No, because I am English, I speak English, it does not bother me.
C
But let me get this clear. It is lazy to speak Spanish with an American accent, but it's not lazy to speak English with a Mexican accent?
A
For me, because I, Because I am. Because I speak English, it does not bother me. But for me, for me, when I hear Americans do it. Well, not Americans specifically, someone with an English accent, it bothers me.
C
But isn't it interesting. But you realize the accent, it's just like someone I know is their vocal, their mind, trying their best to speak a different way.
A
Sometimes they're not trying their best. That is not true. I fully met people who just don't want to do it. Absolutely. I have especially.
C
You don't know why they have an accent.
A
So you think that the school. I've absolutely been in school. Wait, hold on. Been to school, people learning Spanish, and I've heard them do it the right way, and then later on they just choose not to do that. Way because they don't want to.
C
So do you think that's what I'm referring to? Speaking English are just like. They're just not trying to.
A
I'm not talking about. I'm asking you. I'm saying. No, no, no. I'm not talking about Mexicans speaking English.
C
No, I'm asking you this question. When Mexicans are speaking English and they have an accent, are they just not trying their best?
A
No, no. I'm not saying that at all. I don't think so. I'm talking about.
C
You think that all the Americans who are speaking Spanish without.
A
Not all the Americans. Not just. Just certain people that I've encountered. I'm not saying. I'm not saying. A blanket statement across the board. I said I've encountered Americans learning Spanish and doing it the correct way or speaking it with the correct accent. But then they actively. In a few beats later. Don't intentionally.
C
That's the thing. Maybe it's just too Harvard. There are some people who. From Mexico or other countries who come to America and speak English and then lose their accents completely. There are some people like Arnold Schwarzenegger, who doesn't even. He barely speaks German anymore, but he just.
A
He barely speaks German.
C
He doesn't speak German very much anymore. This is the new topic. We're not moving. There's nothing to move on to this.
A
We're just taking a break. So we're 30 minutes in.
C
I'm about to say we're on the new topic.
A
Not about y'.
C
All.
A
To fight Jacob.
C
I thought he was about to say going topic. I was like, girl, this is the new topic. We have no time left. Let's take a break. We'll be right back.
A
Not about trying to fight Jake.
C
Jacob was like. I wasn't planning. I thought Jacob was saying, go to the new topic. I was like, girl, this is the topic.
A
Now listen, let's rap.
C
What were you saying? But, girl, this is. I think this is an interesting topic.
A
What is. What. What is. You were really going in for arguing. Yeah, I definitely don't think we should argue again. We should.
C
I don't think we're arguing.
A
I don't think we're arguing a little bit.
C
I think this is the new. This is the topic. I don't see what the. I feel. This is. Feels odd to me right now. I feel like. I don't think we're arguing. I think we're just having a conversation, and it feels like I'm being positioned as if we're, like, in some sort of a Combative mode.
A
I don't think we're arguing. I think Jacob's just trying to keep us. To keep it a little light and fun and not as intense, which we get intense. That's how we talk.
C
I didn't say we don't get. I don't feel like we're getting intense. I really feel like we're just talking about accents and it feels like a conversation work.
A
Yeah. I'm not saying.
C
I was talking about Arnold Schwarzenegger. Arnold Schwarzenegger, who barely speaks German anymore. In fact, he doesn't speak German in interviews. He's like. He's embarrassed because he lost his ability to speak German as well.
A
So he does not speak German as
C
well as he used to.
A
Interesting.
C
He. He says that he's embarrassed to do. He doesn't feel comfortable doing interviews in German because he can't speak German as well as he did when he lived in Austria. So he doesn't do. He doesn't do anymore. But he still has an Austrian accent.
A
Yeah, for sure.
C
And some people. Some people just can't. Just can't lose their accents, and some people just can't. But that's what I'm saying. Like, the people who can pronounce it, like. Well, for like a second, but their brain reverts back. That's just how their brains are. So I'm like, why would you be like. I'm just annoyed that they have an accent.
A
I mean, because again, in my experience, I've encountered people who they. And I. They actually make choices not to do that. We've. I mean. I mean, I don't know. Well, you went to school. I know. I've been to school.
B
You.
A
You have never been in Spanish class. And then after Spanish class, like, bitch, I'm not saying it like that. I don't. To you talk. I have. I've met those people many times.
C
I have not had any conversations. My client, my friends after Spanish class, and they said, bitch. I'm not saying like that. Or I'm not doing. I've actively not had friends be like, I'm not doing well.
A
I absolutely have had that.
C
But I've had friends. But I've had friends be like, I can't. They're like. I can probably say hola, but their brains just have a really hard time keeping up with that thing. Which is why most people have accents when speaking a language that isn't their first tongue, because their. Their mouths and their. It's just. It's just too much work.
A
Yeah. Or.
C
Or even not too Much. It's just like they're. Because of the way their brains are working or because of how long they've been speaking the first language or because of how they learn the second. There are many factors why they just cannot lose their.
A
But. But I'm saying. Yes, that is true. What are you saying? Is true. But also, people who choose not to because they don't want to, because they don't. They don't. They don't. They don't feel it's important, and they're like, bitch, I'm going to say it. How I talk.
C
I guess that feels like an assumption to me because I don't know why people are speaking the way they're speaking.
A
I mean. I mean, sure, to you, but to me, it's been Maximus. I have met these people. I have had classes with people. I've worked with these people. For sure. Absolutely. What languages do you speak?
C
English.
A
You speak a little Spanish.
C
You say, I don't speak Spanish. I know words in Spanish. I do not speak Spanish. I only speak one language, and it's English.
A
But when we came back from. We did a whole thing with Pixon, you and I, we were dissecting Spanish science classes. And I mean, if. If you went to. If you went to Mexico, could you communicate enough to get from the airport to your hotel, like, using Spanish?
C
Probably not.
A
Work.
C
I would use my phone work, and
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I would be like, I definitely could,
C
and I would show. I do not speak Spanish. I'm. I'm. I speak. I speak one language, and it is. It is English. I know some words. I took years of Spanish, but I
A
do not speak Spanish. When Pix and I go to. When Pix and I travel a lot. I think we talked about some pockets before. Like, we go to, like, and, like, I will, like, completely, like, talk to, like, the. The restaurant and stuff, and she'll be there to assist. But you will, like, do that until, like, yeah, girl, work You. You can, like, get around, like, oh, yeah, girl. And, like, speak, like, a little bit of Spanish enough to, like, get around and, like, socialize.
C
I do not speak a little Spanish. I. I have gone to Mexico and I have heard people talking, and I. I did not know they were talking about. And I was just like,
A
I can, like, pick up on, like, the. I don't know every single word, but I can pick up on enough words, and I can understand what the conversation is. And then when I respond, I'm definitely very slow. I'm like, mm, mm. But I also, like, when I do that, people Engage me in that because I feel like it makes my Spanish better. I just feel like I'm. Maybe contributing is the wrong word, but I just feel. I feel better about myself that I can, like, engage and participate. And not everyone had to, like, speak English because sometimes people, the truth is that they don't speak English very well. So you're kind of like, I want to engage in conversation.
C
When I went to Mexico, a lot of people didn't speak English, and I just. I just. We just didn't talk or we talk through someone else or through like Ezra's
A
dad or through Ezra. Ezra speak fluent Spanish.
C
Ezra speaks. Ezra speaks Spanish, but he's not like, Ezra speaks Spanish is a short answer question. I think he probably has like a. Like an American accent or something. But to be honest, I also just sometimes I don't feel comfortable speaking other languages to people because I don't want them to make fun of the way I talk. That's the real tea. Like, I'm just like, I don't. I don't feel like being made fun of for having an accent. And it's because I. I don't judge people for having accents. And I'm like, I don't want anyone making fun of me for having an accent. Do you feel like I just rather not talk to them?
A
Do you feel they judge you? Mexico, when you. When you met for having American accent?
C
I didn't speak. I didn't speak Spanish, so I don't. I don't know. They couldn't judge me because I didn't Do. Do I think they judge me for not speaking Spanish?
A
No. If you. Any conversations you did have, I was speaking.
C
I was speaking in English work because I don't speak Spanish, so. So I couldn't engage with them. But I think that people like me, but I also just didn't want. Again, I don't. I don't. I just don't. When you're trying really hard to do something and someone is like, I don't know, judging you for it because you can't do it well, it doesn't feel good. So I just didn't want to. I wouldn't want to engage in that.
A
It just seems like such a. Such a. That's such a bold decree to, like, they would judge you, especially since you're Ezra's boyfriend. I feel like I didn't say this well. I'm still like, Especially because you. Ezra's boyfriend. I feel like they will probably be really sweet and try to be like, no, say this way. Blah Blah, blah. As his family. From all the videos you posted, you like helping like cousin Susie make her this and you're like doing a tick tock to them. They felt very inviting. I don't know.
C
Her name was Guadalupe.
A
On Guadalupe. It doesn't feel like the type of environment that they would judge you for, for speaking, for saying, for pronouncing things wrong or saying it wrong.
C
Well, I just know that people judge people for having accents, especially Americans. Like you just said, you judge when they're like, you can't speak. People judge people for having accents. And I don't judge people who actively choose not to.
A
That's what. That's. I don't say I judge people with accents. I said I judge people who can and choose not to. That's what I said.
C
Sure.
A
Very clear.
C
Super. I. I just, I don't feel like when you're. When you're doing something you're not comfortable doing and it's hard and for whatever reason you are, you know, not having an accent, I just, it doesn't feel like a, an environment where I would be comfortable expressing myself if I don't. I'm just not comfortable doing it unless I was with like a specific, like one specific teacher who was like, it's okay. It's not a big deal. You know, whatever. You have an accent. Who cares? It's not a big deal.
A
Every time I say dill, you say like D I L l like dill pickles.
C
Well, I have an accent judging you. I say, I say, I say judging you. No.
A
Does anyone in your family speak with a different accent, Bob?
C
You mean a different language?
A
Different. Oh, different language.
C
Everyone in my family has a Southern accent. They're the. Everyone in my family speaks English. No one speaks any of the languages.
A
Really?
C
Yeah. Girl from Mississippi. You think we are here? You think we're here?
A
I don't know. Don't you have family? Oh, no. I guess none of your family's from. Is from Louisiana. Because sometimes I have some friends who are from that region. Some of their families use Creole.
C
I do not have any family. All my family, my entire family is from either Alabama or Mississippi. And none of us speak any other languages besides English.
A
Your mom speaks Creole patois and also a little French A lot. A lot of my family does. Like, all my family speaks Creole.
B
Pretty.
A
Except me. I can, like, understand Creole, but I don't speak of her. I know like, I know like the greatest hits of the curse words and like certain words, but I do not speak of it. I can understand it though enough. I want heard him said so many
C
times I wanted to learn other languages growing up, but I just don't have one of those brains. Like, I did not. I was not in an environment where learning new languages was conducive to the way that I learn or the way that I live. So I just. And I took. I took years. I took three years of Spanish.
A
Yeah. Yeah. I wish. I wish I, like, did, like, another language, like German or something. I would love to, like, be able to, like, speak German also, because German is okay. It's not like English. But the syntax, like, how German is structured is. It is similar. Is very closely similar to English.
C
Is it?
A
Yeah. Like, so, like, if you're gonna say the blue school, you would say how you went in English, whereas in Spanish, you would say the school that's blue. You know what I mean?
C
No, you say the school blue.
A
Yeah.
C
So it's like, look at you.
A
No escuela de azul. The school of blue.
C
I don't know.
A
I'm pretty sure. But you don't speak Spanish, so I'm looking for us.
C
I do you speak Spanish enough.
A
I can get around.
C
She's backtracking, Your honor.
A
I said that if I. If I landed and I. I can get from the airport to my house, I can check in. I can order food at a restaurant. So to me, that is speaking the language to get around and communicate. Now can I be. Am I my best. No, I cannot. No, I'm not even close to that.
C
I can speak Spanish. I can. I say. I can say words in Spanish.
A
Well, that's what we're talking about. If you can.
C
When someone says, do you speak Spanish? You know what they mean? Mean?
A
Yes.
C
You know what they mean.
A
And yes, if. If I got on a plane to Mexico City today, I'm not asking about whether you.
C
I'm talking about me. I don't speak Spanish.
A
Okay.
C
When someone says, do you speak Spanish? I know when someone says, if someone. If someone in Mexico walks in and says, do you speak English? I know what they're asking me. They're not saying, can you make it home to the hotel? While in English, they're saying, I need someone who speaks English. Can. Do you speak English? And I'm like, yeah, I speak English. I can help you.
A
Well, I do. I think that's nuanced. I think that they're a different level us to that for sure. You know what I mean? Like, if. Like if we're in Mexico and Jacob got shot by someone, you know, I think It, I don't know. I'm just saying. And he needs to get. Oh, Jacob stubbed his toe on a door. His leg got chopped off. I don't know. And why are you making that face?
C
Why? I don't know. This is just a weird scenario at
A
the hotel and Jacob stubbed his foot
C
and his leg got chopped off.
A
Yeah. So we're at the hotel and Jacob was walking to the door and he's, he stubbed his toe and as he fell, they had like one of those like medieval like knight statues. And when he stubbed the toe, his, his thing hit the statue and the thing, the, the hammer thing and chopped his leg off. So now, so now we need to get Jacob to the hospital, I think. Like, could you, could you get Jacob to the hospital in Spanish?
C
No. I keep telling you, I don't speak, I don't know why you keep asking me. I don't speak Spanish. I would use my phone or I would ask someone. I do not speak Spanish.
B
I don't know.
A
You keep asking me.
C
You find like multiple different ways to ask myself. Spanish. I don't speak Spanish.
A
But and I think, you know, people
C
mean when they say, do you speak Spanish.
A
Yeah, I, I, I say yes to that question. I can communicate enough. Yes, I would say yes for sure. How do you deal with foreign languages on tour? Like, how do you, when you go to different places like Brazil or German or fucking Germany or Italy, how do you deal with foreign languages?
C
I mean, I don't, I don't really go out much in general. No matter where I'm going on tour, I kind, I'm really kind of like to my hotel, I order food and like I just, and we're also not in towns very long. I learned how to say thank you, please. And I'll normally learn a phrase or two in that language that I can say on stage.
A
That, that really, that will set the audience off.
C
Like, oh shit. Yeah, I'll learn a phrase or two in the language and it usually leaves my mind the moment I leave the nation or wherever I'm at to engage with people. But I mean, I just, you know, kind of just, I'm usually with someone who speaks whatever language where we are.
A
Yeah. I mean, and also I found pretty everyone in the world, they be speaking English. Like people like every, again, not everywhere, but the majority of places that we will go. Like a lot of the people, like whether you go to like the Starbucks or the store, a lot of people speak English.
C
It's the second most spoken language in the world.
A
Yeah. So a lot of people in English. So. But again, I will try to like, learn a few. Like, I would like, learn some phrases.
C
I think it's second most spoken language.
A
I'm pretty sure it is. I like how to learn some phrases. I would try to, you know, you would say like simple things like, hi, hello, how are you? Bye. Thank you.
C
Like, but I also don't want to start speaking to people in another language because they start thinking you speak the language and you start talking to you, and I'm not comfortable with that. So I usually say, do you speak English? And then they say, yes, and I'll speak in English because if you go to someone, you say like, hola. And they start speaking in Spanish and I'm just like, I don't, I don't know what you're saying. And now, now we're just looking at each other, looking crazy as hell. So I'm just going to either try to ask you, do you speak English? Or ask the person with me to help me out in their, you know, thing.
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A
What do you think is the sexiest accent? French bitch.
C
I don't think I find accent sexy, to be honest.
A
French is so sexy. It's such a sexy language.
C
I don't think I've ever understood the notion of French accents to be sexy because People say it a lot, but it's never really. I like.
A
It's the mouth. It's the embouchure of the mouth. When people speak in French accent, their embouchure is just very sexy. It's very like. It's very. That your lips are very pursed.
C
That is a very popular opinion, and I think a lot of people agree with you. I think that the way that people from New Orleans talk is very sexy.
A
Oh, very. Eat it, baby. I think that's very James from season 14 of Survivor. He also did reverse the Villains. Anyone worth it? James is his fucking season 1918 James. He's this black man from Louisiana. He's a grave digger. Beautiful. His accent, so hot. New. He's from. Born and raised in New Orleans.
C
One of my dancers, Kyron, who's to dance with me on a couple tours, has a New Orleans accent. And, yeah, it is. It is a very beautiful accent. I just like the way they talk is new people from New Orleans is not. It's an accent, not like anywhere else. There's nothing else in the world like a New Orleans accent.
A
Very great.
C
And not just New Orleans like, a lot of people in Louisiana and like Baton Rouge and Shreveport kind of talk with this affectation, this weird bit of
A
a Creole and Southern twang together.
C
I don't even know how to describe it. Yeah, it's. It's. Because it's not. It doesn't sound like French. It doesn't sound like a Southern accent. It. It actually. It's mostly Southern. Oh, yeah, for sure, it's mostly Southern, but they just.
A
I think it's a Creole twang that like.
C
Yeah, they just talk a little bit like, Woody, baby, baby. Yeah, Woody, baby. Y' all heading down to the soda. Big Freeda go listen to big freedom.
A
Yeah, Big Freeda also. Just look. Y' all look up James from season 20 of Survivor or. Or the China season. I think it was 13 or 12. One of those. James from. From. Oh, we're gonna put a picture here of James. James is so hot. New Orleans.
C
Do you think that any. Any accents are ugly?
A
Ugly? No, I don't think an accent is. I mean, I think German accent is very aggressive. So that one is a little. Germans are. The accent is just an aggressive language. You're like, Jesus Christ. Everything they sound. Sounds very intense, but it's not ugly.
C
What's my first question? Oh, Heidi. Because Heidi has this. Heidi has a slight German accent.
A
Yeah.
C
And. But it's really thick. When she says out, she goes, as you know, in fashion One day you are in and the next day she went out and she just gets really driven out. As you know in fashion. One day you are in and the next day you are out.
A
I haven't seen this one a long time. I don't know, it's been like years, a decade.
C
But I love the way Heidi, Heidi Klum. Heidi and I always say Heidi and Claus.
A
Now that Heidi, Heidi and closet Klum. Heidi and Klum's closet.
C
I love the name Heidi I like most. I love accents in general. I just really love accents. I do a lot of accents in my day to day life. For some reason I know Ezra doesn't think that when I do my Allen Carr voice, which I don't even know if that's just Allen Carr or if that is a regional thing. Oh, but the way Alan Carr speaks is this really interesting.
A
I don't know,
C
it's weird. It's like. It's like a gay, but also a British. I don't know, it's just. I don't know if anyone else.
A
Because he's. He talks a lot like this. So he gets very like.
C
Who?
A
Alan Carr? Yeah.
C
What?
A
Alan Carr's. I mean.
C
You mean the face but his voice.
A
Yeah, yeah. He's like this. I think that's why his voice sounds like that.
C
I don't know if that's exactly the way Alan Car.
A
That's literally how you.
C
You like.
A
That's literally how you speak.
C
I don't really know exactly.
A
That's it. I think he raises what it is. He raises his. His heart palate when he talks.
C
I think I do that when I imitate him. I don't think he does.
A
No, he always leans over. He's like now? I don't think so. Yes. You know, he always leans over. I can't do Alan Gar.
C
Come on, just try.
A
I can't do it.
C
You know, there are some people who. My friend was telling me earlier, people who like just refuse to try, you know what?
A
But I'm afraid to do it because I don't want people to make fun of my accent.
C
You know, my friend was like, they can do. They just refuse.
A
I don't want to make fun of my accent. I get really scared about it.
C
They just literally refuse to.
A
I don't want to like. I don't want British people to make fun of my accent.
C
I don't know.
A
That's how Alan Khan talks.
C
You forgot. He always goes up a little bit when he's talking and he has a bit of a thing where he has a lot of inflection in the way he's speaking.
A
Does he?
C
Oh, 100. He's like, you know, I don't know why RuPaul. She came out here the other day, and he really like. And he really. Honestly. I do it. I do it. My fucking accent. I'm like, what? Or like, ah. I do that a lot when I speak.
A
Who do you think it's you doing that? Because that's how you talk. Alan talk?
C
No, Alan Carr does that. That is 100% how Alan Carr talks. He goes up and when he talks, it's just. I'm obsessed with the way Alan Carr, Tim Gunn. I'm obsessed with the way that Eartha Kitt spoke. Nina Simone.
A
Nina Simone was.
C
Nina Simone shared my video on TikTok the other day.
A
Nina Simone who?
C
The Nina Simone estate. Her official tick tock. Shared my video.
A
Of what?
C
Of me doing. Feeling good.
A
When did you. Feeling good?
C
You performed it. I did a tick tock transition with it.
A
Oh, work.
C
In my. In my dress from Selma.
A
I love that.
C
Yeah. They posted me for Women's. Women's. Women's History Month or Women's Mystery Month or.
A
What do you think is the ugliest American accent? I don't know.
C
I really don't think I love accents so much. Like, I really. I'm. I just think the accents are just so fun. I really like them. I like accents. Why is this so funny?
A
Because I feel like a lot of times I get. You were anti accent.
C
I'm not anti. Bitch, you're anti accents. I'm saying people have. I'm saying people. Some people just have accents. What have I ever said? What have I said that's anti accent? No, wait. No, I wanna know. What if I say anti accent?
B
No, you did it.
A
You did it. I'm fuck it. I'm fuck it. I'm trippin'. I'm fuck it.
C
Oh, I love accents. I just think they make people really unique. I think that they sound fun. I like the way people. I like imitating the way people say things. I love accents. I don't know why you're laughing at me. I don't understand what's going on.
A
So you don't think it's an ugly American accent?
C
No, not really. I mean, it's probably because I'm from the south and people think our accents are ugly.
A
I mean, okay, I don't think people think Southern accent is ugly. I think people use them.
C
There are people who think Southern accent. Monet, I'm from the South.
A
I'm sure there's someone.
C
Take my word on this one.
A
I think. Sure there's someone. But I think, as a whole, I think people think Southern accents are charming and they're cute. Much. I mean, the. The Louisiana one is different than the rest of Southern accents, but I think,
C
overall, there's a lot of Southern accents.
A
I think, overall, people think that Southern accents are. Are. Are charming and cute. I don't think they, like, hate them.
C
As a Southerner, that is not my experience work.
A
Well, I mean, as an American, I don't. I never. I don't. I've never heard that. But people think that they're. That they're ugly.
C
Yeah. They think we sound stupid. They think that we sound. They think the Southerners sound unintelligent. Whenever people do, like, a dumb American accent, they usually do either a ballet girl or a Southern person. If they're like, I want to be a dumb American, they go, dude. And they do, like, a Southern. Yeah, y' all better get out my front yard. And right now, I promise you, all the Southerns in the champion, like, oh, that is fully offended.
A
I think people do it to denote cutesiness or dumb stuff.
C
Yeah.
A
Like, you think, what's that thing with the Dukes of Hazzard?
C
I never seen Dukes hazard. Oh, was like Cletus in the Simpsons.
A
Yeah, Cletus or the guy. The main. The old guy from Dukes of Hazzard. They either depicted as that guy or as Jessica Simpson's character, like, the cute ingenu, like, in it. Like, I think it is both things. But, I mean, you're. You're Southern, but as an American, I don't have the experience of being, like, ugly. People use it to. To make you sound cutesy or, like, dumb, but not, like, it's an ugly accent.
C
Well, I mean, when I say ugly, I mean. Well, I guess now we're just really mincing words. When I say, like, ugly, I'm just thinking, like, a negative accent. And I think that people often use Southern accents to denote negativity.
A
Hmm. Interesting. I think what I mean, I love the New York accent. Like, hood New York accent. I think it's a great one.
C
I love ugly accents.
A
Ugly accents. I don't think America really has ugly one. I mean, another one, people. No, I was gonna say, like, Midwestern.
C
Like, I love Midwestern accents.
A
Don't you know?
C
Oh, for sure. Oh, yeah, for sure. When people have a. Some sort of an affectation that makes them. Oh, I. When I lived in Minnesota, I was obsessed. I have this one Roommate that I kept in with, like, she was from. Her name was Carly Wicks. Shout out to Carly Wicks. She's from North Dakota. And every time she would say anything, I would just repeat it back to her. It got to the point where she started being like, you got it. You got. You got. She goes, kahwa. You're gonna have to stop doing that.
A
How old was she?
C
Me and Carl are the same age.
A
I associate a Midwestern accent with someone with an older woman, an older white woman. I have never. To me, I've never heard a Midwestern black woman with that accent. Maybe I have. I cannot think of one that I've ever met that is. To me, that is specifically to older Midwestern white women.
C
Well, I think that white people and black people sound different from different places, for sure.
A
So what does a Midwestern black woman sound like? Like, I can't. I can't put my finger on what.
C
That we can call Jada and ask her. She's from the Midwest.
A
Yeah. I don't think how Jada talks.
C
I mean, Chicago is the Midwest.
A
Yeah. And I can't think of what.
C
There's a lot of Midwest accents. Like. Like this Saskatchewan. The Saskatchewan kind of accent that's going on in, like, in North South Dakota, Wisconsin and in Minnesota are different than the accent you'll get in Chicago. Like. Like. Like Mateo has a Midwestern accent.
A
Yeah, for sure.
C
But it's like this Chicago. Like. Ah, it's horrible.
A
But. But. But black people simply like you. Like Shea Coulee. We have many friends.
C
She has an accent.
A
Right. We have. We have many Midwestern black friends. And I. I can't. I. I'm not thinking. I. I don't hear any. Any of the black queens in Chicago I've ever met. I never. Or the ones I've met. And when I went in all those Twin Cities gigs, I can't. They don't have, like, a. It's not the same as the white people in that area.
C
No, that's. That's for sure. I'm sure that we don't want them to get. I'm sure there's a black person. Oh, yeah, for sure.
A
Yeah.
C
Or for licking the flagpole accent.
A
You know what I mean? Well, exactly. Like black people in New York versus white people. There's just this. It's just a different accent.
C
Orgy has a very thick New York accent. Not very thick, but Thorgy has a New York accent.
A
Thorgy does.
C
Yes. Thorgy absolutely has a New York accent. I don't hear it because you're from New York, probably New York. Says stuff like. She'll say stuff like, I saw Monet with this huge wig on. Thorgy. Thorgy says huge. And she says human.
A
Does she. I've never heard this.
C
There's a. There's a. There's literally a whole thing online. Because Thorgy kept saying it when we were doing first person impressions. She kept being like, she called Eureka. She called Eureka huge. Human.
A
Hmm. Yeah. But black people in New York, white people in New York, they're completely different accents. They're not like, you don't. I mean, I'm sure, again, I'm sure there are black people that speak with that traditional New York accent. Thinking about, like, yeah, buddy. Or I don't know what the fuck I'm saying, but I. By a lot of black people, they're just two different accents by different races in the same. In the same region.
C
Well, I think it's probably a lot
A
now I think about it.
C
Well, I think it's be. What do you say?
A
Except in the Southern. Except Southern.
C
That's not true.
A
Okay, again, not.
C
There is a difference between the way black Southerners talking. The way. Why, there's a massive.
A
Yeah, for sure. But I'm saying I have heard black Southerners speaking, like, the traditional white Southern accent. I've heard that. Whereas in New York. I can't pinpoint anyone I've ever. A black person speaking with that, like, traditional, traditional New York accent, but I have heard it in the South.
C
Well, I think a big part of that is because a lot of the New York accents are just bastardizations of European accents for white people. So when you hear Jewish people talking the way Jewish people talk from Long island or whatever, it is some version. It is some, like, bastardized version of the way they talk. And then when the Italians talking the way they talk or whatever, it is just a bastardized version over years and years and years of being American where they. All the Italians end up sounding one way.
A
Right?
C
All the, you know, Irish people sound. Yeah, it's kind of. They all. They all end up kind of sounding different. Like, for example, you know, Bernie Sanders and Donald Trump have different accents.
A
Oh, yeah.
C
But they're both New Yorkers.
A
Brie Sanders. Oh, he is from New York.
C
He's from Brooklyn.
A
Oh, Midwood.
C
Shut up.
A
Shut up. I went to PS198. Bernie Sanders is from Midwood. Midwood is right. It's right in East Flatbush. It's where Kamika went to high school. Kamika went to middle high school, business. And Bernie Sanders is from Midwood.
C
What's the last four? Her social.
A
He went to PS198. I went to. I mean, he went to PS197. I went to PS198. Me and Bernie Sanders are. We were like neighbors.
C
Work.
A
Work. Bernie Sanders is bout about it. I'm not Bernie Sanders from east Whitebush.
C
I'm gagged.
A
I'm gagged.
C
I'm neighbors with Ma Rainey.
A
Oh, she's from where you were in Columbus, Georgia, like next door.
C
The truth is they moved her house. You know, they take the historic houses and they move them. So where it is is not actually where it was.
A
So Ma Rainey is a black bottom.
C
Yeah. So I'm not 100 sure where Monroney
A
is exactly from, but also, I mean, not exactly. You got real New York. Exactly.
C
Columbus, Georgia is not massive. I mean, it is one of the biggest towns in Georgia, but it's not like ain't that many folks in Georgia. Columbus, Georgia. Yeah. She ain't from the military base. She from somewhere in Muskogee County.
A
Muskogee County.
C
Yeah.
A
Yeah.
C
Which is. Which is, I'm sure, some mispronunciation of some indigenous term.
A
That's for sure.
C
But we say Muskogee.
A
Yeah.
C
Because that's just the way we talk.
A
I wish. They should really be correcting our show. Do you know that the Red. That football team, I think they're finally changing their name so it's not offensive anymore. Oh, are they the Washington?
C
Well, I think the Braves, which is the Atlanta team. They're not changing.
A
Which is wild.
C
Atlanta is why they used to call the Toma Chalk hop.
A
Yeah.
C
Just out of tomato. Tomahawk chop. I cannot believe they indoctrinated us into that racism. I know, and I really used to. We all used to do it because I didn't know it was wrong.
A
Right.
C
I had no clue. No clue at all.
A
Do the Mets have some type of negative connotation? I don't. We don't know.
C
I don't know what is a Met. I don't know what a Met is. I don't know what is a Met.
A
Maybe because the Metropolitan probably was.
C
They're just the. We're the Metropolitan things.
A
Yeah. Like, we're the Metropolitans.
C
What are the Met? Are they the basketball team?
A
No, baseball.
C
Oh, that's just the baseball head. The head. The mascot. Stay baseball, isn't it?
A
Yeah, it's like a.
C
It's a dumb mascot for a baseball team.
A
My God, it is dumb. Y' all problematic ass mascots. We're happy with our ball.
C
I did not say I was proud of the. The Braves.
A
So I like. I like that I was as basic and boring. At least we ain't getting nobody. It's just a ball. We.
C
We also have falcons in Georgia, and we have cod.
A
Mouth snakes and FAL are endangered.
C
I don't think vlogs are in danger.
A
They're not. Oh, I mean, I don't know.
C
They're protected.
A
They should be. They're. They're.
B
They're.
C
They're nice species. They're what?
A
They're nice species.
C
I don't know. I can't vouch for their character.
A
Oh, my God.
C
You are. I don't know if they're nice.
A
You are. You are crazy.
C
You know, falcons, like, snatch up people's animals. That's, like, a thing.
A
They should. Can they come to my house?
C
Falcons, There's a whole thing where, like, neighborhoods or have. Have a problem where, like, an owl or a falcon starts stealing cats.
A
That's wild.
C
Yeah.
A
Imagine your cat is just. See, that's why outdoor cats. I mean, I know some cats can be outdoor. That is just so crazy.
C
One of my friends. One of my friends saw her cat get snatched up by an owl. And there's. There's literally.
A
Oh, yeah, it's done. It's a wrap.
C
Not only that, but, like, you literally, you there. You're not allowed to do anything. If the owl is standing in front of you chewing on your cat, there is legally nothing you're allowed to, and you will go to jail.
A
I'm fucking. I'm fucking shooting that owl. You can shoot it and then going in the yard and burying it.
C
Can you look up the penalty for shooting a bird of prey? You cannot. You are not. You're not even allowed to. You're not even allowed to own the feather of a bird of prey unless you are indigenous.
A
I'm burying that bitch in the backyard.
C
The only people. The only people in America who are allowed to own feathers of birds of prey or bones of birds of prey are indigenous people. People.
A
Let an owl try to roll up on Ms. Colleen. Bitch is a rap for that owl, bitch. Al, you're done. You're canceled. Be neato, bitch.
C
You're done. Al B. You're done, son.
A
Try it. Mr. Owl. Mr. Owl.
C
You know, I meet a lot of owls. Watch this show.
A
Well, if you're an owl and you're watching, bitch, if you're about that life, scroll up to Hollywood, California. See what's good.
C
I actually know someone who got possessed by now.
A
Possessed. What do you mean, possessed? By now.
C
They got possessed by now.
A
What does that mean?
C
I mean, it's literally what you mean. I, I. And you know. You know them, too.
A
Oh, my God. You are such a clown. It's you. You are such a clown. You are such a clown. You are such a clown. Are you crying? Laughing? You are such a clown.
C
Oh, man.
A
You are such a clown.
C
Monet. Come on. That was really good when I said who.
A
You are so silly. You're a child.
C
Oh. What's the penalty, Jacob, for owning.
A
Oh, up to one year in jail. And $15,000 for killing an owl, but more likely just a fine.
C
Is it Colleen? Worth 15k? Who.
A
Who gonna catch me, boo? Who gonna catch me, boo? If I shoot an owl in my
C
yard, who gonna catch me? I think that. I mean, I don't know.
A
Are they marked? Are they tagged?
C
A lot of owls are tagged. A lot of birds of prey are tagged. Not all of them, but a lot of them are, yeah. And depending on how endangered it is, depending on how rare they are, a lot of birds of prey get the little. Would you get the chip?
A
No. I've seen. Have you seen people who can open up their homes, everything with a chip in their hand? That's wild. That's. I'm saying no. In probably 10, 15 years, who knows? It'll probably be bitch to unlock your gate at work. You're probably gonna. Who fucking knows where we're gonna be
C
at, but the government wants to chip us. I would literally be the first one in line.
A
Work.
C
I don't give a damn. Chip me. I would absolutely get a government chip. I would chip my children. Oh, I'm getting the government chip. 100 work.
A
I don't share that same experience. I'm like.
C
Like, for example, something happens to me, and this chip can find my body. Bitch. I want the chip. I want the chip.
A
They also make those. The thing rings. Now. You just put them on. It's like a ring, a wedding, a ring. And it has all your information in it, your DNA, all your information, your dress, everything.
C
And I want to wear the ring. I want to wear a ring. Give me that chip. Like, I don't care if the government
A
knows where I am.
C
Why do I give a fuck? The government?
A
I don't think that's all people's concern a lot. That is some people's concern. Some people are always also concerned about being the first to do it. They're like, bitch, what are their trial errors? What if you find out the chips can like fucking pop and like. Like short circuit in you. They're. They're like trial periods. And even though. Even we all know, even though as they try it out, the first batch is always some problems. Bitch. The first iPhone. IPhone. The first ipod. My first ipod exploded them on me.
C
How long did you wait to get the vaccine?
A
I got the. They came out in what, January 2020.
C
Do you wait? I don't remember. Do you remember waiting like a couple of months? Did you wait and look around or did you go get the vaccine?
A
I got the vaccine immediately. But also it's a vaccine, and we. That has been. That's. That is not new technology. Vaccines have a chip.
C
Chip is not new.
A
But into people.
C
Chipping into people is not new either.
A
I mean, it's newer technology and the vaccines have been around. Vaccines. Vaccines have been around for like decades.
C
Chips for longer than decades, right?
A
Almost. So chips have maybe what, maybe not. Chips have maybe been around for what, two decades? Maybe. I think that's still relatively new in the grand scheme of life and evolution. I don't think so. Work well. Go chip it up.
C
Yeah. I'm telling you, I literally will. And I think that it will be really beneficial if. If I. If I go missing. I think chips can help a lot with a lot of missing people that. I'm sure that would be primo. We have. We wouldn't have to look for people anymore. Like all the missing people out there in the world. If you have a chip, go find them. People chip their pets, and these pets are fine. These pets aren't exploding. The chips aren't popping. There's. There's practically, I think, zero cases of pets, you know, malfunctioning and twitching because of their chips.
A
Listen, baby, you go chip it up.
C
You just afraid it's going to like Circumflex.
A
I'll wait a little while to get chipped. I don't. There's not a dire need for me to get shipped today.
C
We never know.
A
I'll get a little bio ring.
C
Get.
A
If you talk. I'm talking about bitch. Go get the bio ring.
C
Maybe I will. Well, I also tracking on my phone, but no. And I wear a watch.
A
You don't always. But you.
C
I always have my phone.
A
But you can always keep your ring on. Even when you're on stage. When you can't keep your ring on. Let's say. Let's say you are. You're performing at the Pantages and somebody run on stage and put a sack over your head and steal you. You have no phone on you, but you got your bio ring on. So you would be fine.
C
I would hope that someone would. If I'm on stage, someone.
A
Because he's on. This is very Scooby Doodle. The lights go out.
C
I'm at the Pantages Theater. Am I, am I in Hamilton now?
A
Yeah. Well, Hamilton is done. You're doing a run of your, of your, of your one woman show.
C
Got it?
A
And then lights go very Scooby Doo. Lights go out black smash you up. Let's go back on. You're gone. But your phone is in the dressing room. But if you have your bio ring, you're good.
C
Yeah, but I probably wouldn't want to wear the ring because I probably wouldn't match what I was ring on stage.
A
Well, the rings, the rings change color.
C
Do they?
A
They can be silver black and with an adjustment of a thing.
C
Maybe I should get one of these rings. Actually, I am very. We should all get these. I'm. I do not mind the government or my phone or Verizon knowing where I am. That does not bother me.
A
I was wearing some of the technology stuff which. Have you seen this? People have been like, people who. Parents who put like ring cameras in their kids homes. I mean, their homes to monitor the kids. People are now like hacking them and talking to their kids like, hey, it's me. Do you want some ice cream? Go by the front door. Like, shit like that.
C
Is that a real thing?
A
Yeah, I've seen it like 3 times now on different kids. It was on. There was an ABC News special like, bitch, technology is wild. That's also another thing. I'm like, maybe not just the government. Someone else can do something very shady and malicious. Who knows? And I mean, I don't know what that is with a chip, but I don't know. I mean, people are very creative and
C
are you so, so it's not about the government or you are. That's not what's, that's not what bothers you?
A
No, it's about the variables of what could happen by people hack your phone
C
to find out where you are.
A
They sure can. But I don't, I don't always, always have my phone on me. And that's something that I've created that I need to, I needed to use in my life. But I mean, a ship, I don't need a chip.
C
How far are you? How often are you not near your phone? I mean, we are. You're all. I would say you are always near
A
your phone for sure. But I will say, but I need my phone to live. I do not need a chip to live. At least not now. The government or the world has not created a scenario where if I don't have a chip, I can't survive with my phone. My phone is essential to a lot of things I do in my life.
C
That makes sense.
A
But not a chip and a buyer. You can choose to keep it on or not. If you take it off, that's your business, bitch. You get snatched up. We don't know where you is, bitch.
C
Chip meal. Get that chip. Let your boy know.
A
Work on that note and chip your children. No. Do not chip your children.
C
No. Chip your kids. Especially your kids.
A
Have a good day. Enjoy the outfit.
C
Thank you very much.
A
You're welcome. Great doing the episode with you. Shook my hand. Shake my hand.
C
No. You wouldn't say anything nice to me the other day. You remember when I begged you for a compliment?
A
You wouldn't give me one. Shake my hand, bitch.
C
Are you supposed to be stronger than me?
A
I also beat you in a boxing match.
C
You can do a wrestling match one day.
A
I like a real wrestling match. Like as. Like out of drag. Like a referee. Like a real wrestling match, which I would tear your ass. That.
C
That's not true. We have time to prove this. I would take you all the way down. I wouldn't feel comfortable punching you or being punched.
B
I don't.
C
I don't want to get hit.
A
Wrestling is dangerous. You could people be getting hurt.
C
But I don't want to get punched. What?
A
I said.
C
I said. What? I said I don't want to get punched.
Date: March 30, 2022
Hosts: Bob the Drag Queen & Monét X Change
In this episode, Bob The Drag Queen and Monét X Change dive deep into the world of accents, languages, and the emotional attachments (or lack thereof) to their Drag Race costumes. Their trademark banter explores everything from the cultural weight of pronunciation and archiving drag history, to personal insecurities around speaking other languages, and the differences between regional and racial accents in the US. The episode is a wild ride through nostalgia, humor, and cultural critique—always packed with quick wit and candid moments.
Discussion kicks off with Bob and Monét discussing the legacy, sale, and sentimentality around their Drag Race outfits.
“You have a storage unit. You have a whole ass house and another apartment. You have two homes! Go through your shit to Ezra. Give it to Jacob.” (01:40)
Begins ~19:00
Bob, challenging the idea of linguistic respect:
“Spanish is really just honoring the culture of colonization… All you’re really doing is just honoring the fact that white people colonized entire indigenous communities.” (01:28, 23:47)
Monét’s personal approach:
“I try to honor how Spanish people have taught me to speak their language… For me, I feel good doing that.” (24:06)
Bob on feeling insecure with foreign languages:
“I also just don’t feel comfortable speaking other languages to people because I don’t want them to make fun of the way I talk.” (31:40)
From ~42:00 on
(Pivot Segment, ~60:00–64:39)
On language and colonization:
"Spanish is really just honoring the culture of colonization." – Bob (23:47)
On drag cultural preservation:
"The stuff that we make, the stuff that we wear, it really is history." – Bob (09:15)
On personal connection to costume history:
"I would never give [the Sponge Dress] away. I would keep that forever… That is drag race herstory." – Monét (13:02)
On American accents:
"Whenever people do, like, a dumb American accent, they usually do either a valley girl or a Southern person." – Bob (48:32)
On fear of language judgment:
"I also just don’t feel comfortable speaking other languages to people because I don’t want them to make fun of the way I talk." – Bob (31:40)
This episode combines laugh-out-loud moments with thoughtful commentary about culture, language, and identity—filtered through the comedic and deeply personal lens of two of the most beloved drag queens in pop culture. Whether reflecting on drag nostalgia or arguing about the politics of pronunciation, Bob and Monét always bring delight, insight, and a dash of shade—making this episode a must-listen (or an equally enjoyable read for those catching up via summary!).