The One About Alternative Drag

Summary

Sibling Rivalry Podcast: The One About Alternative Drag

Release Date: March 16, 2022
Hosts: Bob the Drag Queen & Monét X Change

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Episode Overview

In this lively and characteristically hilarious episode, Bob the Drag Queen and Monét X Change dive deep into the world of alternative drag ("alt drag"). Their discussion is equal parts personal storytelling, shade-throwing banter, and sincere exploration of what alt drag means, its place in queer nightlife, and how it fits alongside mainstream drag culture. Throughout, they recount vivid memories from Brooklyn’s club scene, debate the semantics of “making fun” vs. “bullying,” and reflect on the evolution and boundaries of drag performance.

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Key Discussion Points and Insights

1. The Company You Keep & Toxic Friendships (00:31 – 04:24)

• Banter about friendship and toxic behavior
  • Monét calls Bob "toxic," to which Bob retorts, “You are the company you keep.”
    • Quote (02:00): Bob: “You are the company you keep. What does it say about you, huh?”
    • Monét pushes back on this old adage, debating parental wisdom and how much friends reflect your character.
• Both recount personal anecdotes about childhood friendships—Monét’s wild friends; Bob’s avoidance of rule-breakers.

2. Brooklyn Drag Memories & “Making Fun” vs. “Bullying” (05:07 – 24:50)

• Dance Memories:
  • The “Dirty Bird” dance from Atlanta school days.
• Recurring argument:
  • A playful but insistent debate about whether Bob makes fun of Monét’s driving, car, family, and cooking.
    • Comic escalation: Monét insists Bob teases her, while Bob distinguishes between playful ribbing and actual ridicule.
    • Quote (15:23): Monét: “This is what you do. ... you take the conversation to fucking Mars.”
    • The discussion exemplifies the duo’s signature “inception” humor—“You do the thing where you say I do a thing, but you do the thing too.”
• Takeaway: Their back-and-forth emphasizes the fine line between friendly shade and real hurt, highlighting their trust and history.

3. Alt Drag & the Dragula Discussion (24:54 – 34:59)

• Dragula’s Appeal and Gory Challenges:
  • Monét admits she hasn’t watched Dragula, mostly because she’s squeamish about gore (e.g., stapling or drinking blood).
  • Bob explains some Dragula stunts are less dangerous than they seem (e.g., vegans being given cranberry juice instead of fake blood).
    • Quote (27:50): Bob: “It’s shady to try to make a vegan drink blood. That’s shady. That’s actually…”
  • Notably wild Dragula moments: contestants getting tattoos to stay in the competition.
    • Quote (30:00): Bob: “Imagine if RuPaul was like, you have to get my face or my name tattooed on you to stay in this competition—and then someone got the tattoo and still got eliminated.”
• Competitive drag’s personal cost:
  • Bob expresses he’s not interested in competing in drag anymore, regardless of huge prize money.
    • Quote (33:19): “I don’t think that competing in drag is for me anymore… it doesn’t spark any joy.”

4. What is Alternative Drag? Style, History, and Boundaries (35:43 – 47:11)

• Personal experiences with “alt drag”
  • Monét describes her own “fat number” (mixing and eating weird foods onstage as performance art), but never identified as an alt queen.
    • Quote (35:49): Monét: “I have the video of me performing a fat number at Le Queen…I can put it on the Patreon as a Patreon exclusive.”
  • Bob discusses his love of clown-inspired drag and experimental makeup at Look Queen.
• Brooklyn’s alternative scene:
  • Remembering Saliva Tuesdays at the Ritz and other nightlife staples where alt drag thrived.
• Definitions:
  • They agree “alt drag” is a broad umbrella—anything outside conventional expectations: grotesque, clownish, avant-garde, macabre, etc.
    • Quote (39:27): Bob: “If your aesthetic or your performance style is out of the norm... then you do alt drag.”
  • Name-check queens: Charity Kase, Crystal Something, Nina Flowers, Azra, and the influence of Thorgy Thor.

5. Drag Race and Alt Drag Crossover (40:33 – 41:29)

• RuPaul’s Drag Race’s history with alt queens:
  • Drag Race has showcased unconventional artists—Acid Betty, Milk, Nina Flowers, Sharon Needles, etc.
  • Debate on who qualifies as “alt”—e.g., Thorgy Thor (“in my opinion, Thorgy is definitely alt”).

6. Distinct Regional Drag Cultures (45:52 – 47:26)

• LA vs. New York Drag:
  • Bob reflects on differences: LA drag shows often have big casts and a different energy versus New York’s intimate, personality-forward style.

7. Sobriety in the Drag Scene (47:26 – 49:57)

• Monét brings up sober performers, prompting Bob to emphasize respect for privacy and self-disclosure.
• Comic exchange:
  • Bob: “You are obsessed with sober people.”
  • Monét: “Alcohol just tastes so good, which is probably my problem.”

8. Oddest and Most Memorable Alt Drag Numbers (50:45 – 58:42)

• Both recall legendary, extreme drag performances:
  • Bronx shitting out an apple onstage (“My roommate put an apple in her ass and she shit the apple out on stage…” – Bob, 55:15)
  • Crystal Something’s Equinox performance at Backspace—balloons, confetti, and wild slow-mo/frenetic shifts.
  • The now-legendary “tiny bottle of Jim Beam” trick: “At the very end of the performance, they reach into their ass and pull out a tiny little bottle of Jim Beam…” (Bob, 56:31)
  • Jasmine Rice’s infamous “shitting” condom act full of confectioner’s sugar (exploding over the crowd).

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• You are the company you keep…
  • Bob: “You are the company you keep. What does it say about you, huh?” (02:00)
• Bob vs. Monét’s Driving Feud
  • Monét: “Bob, you used to make fun of my car calling it the fucking Peace Mobile…” (16:33)
  • Bob: “I called it the Coexist Mobile because you had a Coexist sticker on it.” (17:17)
• On Dragula’s Exterminations
  • Bob: “Imagine if RuPaul was like, you have to get my face or my name tattooed on you to stay in this competition—and then someone got the tattoo and still got eliminated.” (30:00)
• Defining Alt Drag
  • Bob: “If your aesthetic or your performance style is out of the norm ...then you do alt drag.” (39:27)
• Shade about Drag Laziness
  • Monét: “If your drag is being lazy, like unintentionally ...they don’t realize how lazy they are...” (51:14)
  • Bob: “As a general rule, the queens who work harder get more recognition for their hard work, in my experience.” (53:29)
• Most outrageous performances
  • Bob: “At the very end of the performance, they reach into their ass and pull out a tiny little bottle of Jim Beam as if they've given birth…” (56:31)
  • Monét: “She shits out this condom…and then she just tasted it.” (57:16)

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Timestamps for Important Segments

• 00:31 — Introduction, “company you keep” banter
• 05:07 — Brooklyn childhood stories, the “Dirty Bird,” and old school dance competitions
• 15:23 — “This is what you do…” Monica vs. Bob banter escalates
• 24:54 — Topic shift: Dragula and the definition/experience of alt drag
• 27:50 — “Shady” Dragula production stories (the vegan blood drink)
• 35:43 — Monét’s “fat number" and personal alt drag experiences
• 39:27 — Defining alternative drag
• 50:45 — Favorite and wildest alt performances (Bronx, Crystal Something, Jasmine Rice)
• 59:01 — Recollections of Saliva Tuesdays, early days with Aja/Thorgy Thor
• 61:44 — Bob shares a classic story about boundaries at Missy B’s in Kansas City

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Tone & Style Highlights

• Warm, bitchy, and familial. Both hosts lean into their signature dynamic: loving digs, relentless callbacks, and the push-pull of “Who’s really in the wrong?”
• Storytelling is immersive—listeners get visceral, sometimes shocking windows into underground drag performance.
• There’s continual meta-commentary about their dynamic: Are we just ribbing or is there deeper shade? Listeners get the sense that behind every “toxic” accusation is deep affection.

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Overall Takeaways

• Alternative drag is celebrated as an essential, subversive, and creative part of the broader drag tapestry.
• Both hosts were shaped by Brooklyn’s alt scene but recognize their place on the spectrum—as “alt adjacent,” not “alt queens.”
• RuPaul’s Drag Race has always engaged with alt drag (even if debates remain about representation).
• The episode is a testament to queer friendship: shade as affection, performance as power, history as a wild, lived experience.

A must-listen for fans of drag, Brooklyn nightlife history, and anyone who loves the fusion of comedy, queer culture, and real talk.

Transcript

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[Bob the Drag Queen]

My name is Bob the Drag Queen,

[Monet X Change]

and I'm Monet X Change, and this is simply rivalry. On this week's episode, we discuss what the company you keep says about you.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

We talk about alt drag, and we

[Monet X Change]

find out what made Bob say.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

They reach into their ass and pull out a tiny little ball of Jim Beam. And we find out what made Monet say this. I have never driven you anywhere.

[Monet X Change]

I've never driven you, Bob. New York City, bitch. I used to drive you everywhere. Have y' all ever had, like, a toxic friend and they said something? You were like, wow, I have a toxic ass friend. That's me with Bob.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Yes.

[Monet X Change]

Like, it doesn't happen every day, but pretty steadily. This will say something like, damn, I have a toxic ass fucking friend. You're a toxic person.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

What did I say?

[Monet X Change]

Because we were picking topics for civil rivalry today, and I was like, you want to do all drag slash Dragula? You're like, oh, you about to get whooped about. You literally said, I'm about to start some drama. Literally. What? You said, you're a toxic person. You're a toxic person. You're toxic.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

What does it say about you, bitch? You are the company you keep. What does it say about you, huh?

[Monet X Change]

I don't believe in that. When parents say that. When we were kids and parents said, I don't believe that. Just because I have a friend who was a klepto as a kid doesn't mean that I'm a klepto. Just because that's my friend does not mean that I am that, too. That is such a stupid thing.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I did not say that. It means that you're a klepto, but it says something about the people you're hanging out with.

[Monet X Change]

You are. The company you keep says that if that person's a klepto, then I am, too. That is not. I'm not.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

You're taking it too literally. You're taking it too literally.

[Monet X Change]

Like I'm saying I'm Taking it as face value at what it is you are. The company you keep is saying that I am the company that I have.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

And I'm not. It's a euphemism. You are. You are the sum of the company you keep. So, like, euphemize my fucking ground.

[Monet X Change]

Euphonize my taint.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

It's saying, like, if you. I mean, you're not Jesus, if you're hanging out with hookers and thieves and drug addicts and stuff, chances are you're not. You're not a pastor, you know,

[Monet X Change]

Allegedly. Did you have. When you were. When you were a kid, did you have friends that they used to do wild shit and your mom used to be mad that you were friends with them? I had that a lot. Really?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I didn't have that. I was.

[Monet X Change]

So all your friends were just goody two shoes?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Yeah, me and my friends, we didn't do drama.

[Monet X Change]

I didn't.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I didn't jump. I didn't jump people after school and start fights and. And go. I didn't do that stuff.

[Monet X Change]

So, Bob. So none of your friends. Okay, not fights, but none of your friends would, like, steal a candy from the store or, like, do something. Your mom was like, chris, I want you hanging out with that boy.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

No. The answer is no. I did not have any friends who were stealing from stores. I don't know why that's so hard for me to believe.

[Monet X Change]

Cause every kid. Everyone under the sound of my voice, listening to this podcast right now, has had a friend that was a little crazy.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Everyone doesn't steal money.

[Monet X Change]

Not. Okay, now you've been too literal. Not only stealing. That's the example I use. Not the only thing. Like a friend who, I don't know, used to. A friend who used to fight a lot. A friend used to steal. A friend who used to, like different things like little kids do.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

No, no, I didn't hang out with people like that. I was not comfortable around people who were fighting. I didn't want to fight. I didn't want to. I certainly wouldn't. I would never hang out with anyone who steals. I wouldn't even hang out if I knew you smoked. I wouldn't hang out with you as a kid.

[Shannon Maldonado]

Kid.

[Monet X Change]

As a kid. Literally. Damn. How old y' all start smoking in. In Atlanta?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Even. I mean, even. Even up until. I mean, I would say up until like, maybe like, 10th grade. If. If you smoked, I would not hang out with you. Especially if you smoke. I'm talking about cigarettes. Especially if you smoked weed. Oh, we were not. We were absolutely not hanging out under any circumstances. I stopped talking to one guy because he showed me a gun. I was like, we're done.

[Monet X Change]

Well, that's a lot. Yeah, that's crazy.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I was like, we're done. Ever speaking. I will never. I was like, I will literally never speak to you again. You can't go to my house anymore. I fucking stopped answering his calls. No, never again. I was like, no. He opened his backpack, was like, look. And I was like, you know what? I'll never look again. I'll tell you that.

[Monet X Change]

That's crazy. That's crazy. Did you used to do little dances at, like. Did you used to do. You know, back then, when we do, like, do the. A town stomp, like, stuff like that. Did your friends used to do the little popular dances?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Yeah, the Dirty Bird. We did the eighth house stomp. We did the.

[Monet X Change]

What's the Dirty Bird?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

The Dirty Bird. The Dirty Bird is this dance that became popular in Atlanta when the Falcons went to the super bowl against the.

[Monet X Change]

What is this? Like, a.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

It looks like this.

[Monet X Change]

It goes, Y' all something. Because it's really odd. Something. If. If for our. For the people who watching this. Bob is basically doing his. His. He's like, making, like, a chug fist with his hand up into the side.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Elbow goes down, Elbow goes to the side. Switch arms. Elbow goes down, elbow to the side. Put your thumb in your armpits and flap four times. Everyone was doing it.

[Monet X Change]

It was huge.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Everyone did. Everyone. We had Dirty Bird competitions at school. We would all go to the. We would all go to the prep, the pep rally, and we would all, like. The school's best dancer would go to the floor, and we'd all do the Dirty Bird. And whoever wins would win.

[Monet X Change]

I don't know. Oh, so now you're putting a we in it. Bob said the school's best dancers would go to the floor, and we. Were you one of the ones. Were you in the number?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I was. I was one of the best dancers in my school, actually. I was part of the artistic crew. We were performers and dancers. While you were hanging out with Robin Hood and the merry thieves, stealing from the rich and giving to the poor.

[Monet X Change]

I love when it's a simple dance like that and they do a competition, especially in, like, black schools, It'll be something so simple, like the Dirty Bird. Right? But then what makes it fierce is when people put their own little stank on it and people just start adding, like, it's the dizzy. The Dirty Bird. They start adding, like, little. A little shake and add A little footwork.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

You're like, oh, shit.

[Monet X Change]

I love. I love black people for that experience. Specifically taking a simple dance, and everyone knows how to do it, and just put a little stank oni on it, and it just gets so cool.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

To answer your question, I did have some friends who did stuff like that, but once I found out they did it, I would stop being friends. Like, I had this one friend who stole a magazine from my house one time. His name was Diego.

[Monet X Change]

From your house?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

From my house, yeah. Because he asked my. My mom for it. He was like, can I have this magazine? And she was like, that's not. No, that's Justin's magazine. That's my brother's magazine. You can't have it. And he was like, I know, but can I please have it? And she was like, no, you can't have it. He hasn't even read it yet. It just came in the mail. He was like, oh, man. And then he just stole it from the house, and I stopped hanging out with him.

[Monet X Change]

That's crazy.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Cause he.

[Monet X Change]

Well, that's silly.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Just to be clear, Monet, I. I was. When I said I'm starting drama, I was just. You had, like. You never joke. I was just joking. I'm not actually starting drama. This is stuff you say all the time. You'll be like, so and so about to whoop that ass. This is stuff that you will say all the time.

[Monet X Change]

Yeah.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

And when we do get there, so and so gonna whoop that ass. You say, like, that literally all the time. Do you or do you not?

[Monet X Change]

I. I love the recapitulation because also, to quote. This is a. This is a bother directing quote. Monet, you do this thing on the podcast. When you act literally. Bob, you do this thing on this podcast.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

What, bitch?

[Monet X Change]

When I say it, you act like I'm the crazy one. Like, for example, I said the whole. How you said. How I said you're toxic at the top of this podcast, right? And then now you're saying. And now you're coming back. And now you're saying, monet, you do this thing. Now we're in this, like. You do this, like, Inception thing. And it drives me insane where you say that I always do stuff, but you always do it as well. But you act like you don't do it.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

See, that's a different. I'm not saying I don't do it. Just. Cause I say, Monet, you walk doesn't mean I don't walk too. I'm not saying you do. And I don't do. That's you sprinkling your own bit onto what I'm saying. I never said I don't do it. I never said that.

[Monet X Change]

But you do. But you act like that, and you know you do.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

That's based on. That's your. That's basically. I never said that. That is you. I'm not gonna object. That's you assuming something I never said. I don't do things like that.

[Monet X Change]

I'm not going to go into this rabbit hole with you.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

If we're driving in a car and I say, monet, you are speeding. You drive way too fast. It doesn't mean I don't drive fast, too. All I'm saying is.

[Monet X Change]

But you're the queen of the. You don't drive fast. You're like Monat. I am.

[Advertisement Voice]

I am.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I'm a very competitive driver, and you don't. And you also don't drive. But. No, but.

[Monet X Change]

No, but this is perfect because it's. But this is perfect because you do do that. You'd be like.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

You'd be like.

[Monet X Change]

You're like Monet. You are a bad driver. You speed and then you act like. Like Monet. I don't ever speed. I'm a very sensitive driver when. Yes, you do.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

This is actually the perfect example, one of this never. I've never even ridden in the car with you. I've never had. You've never driven me anywhere. Where have you driven me? I have never driven you anywhere.

[Monet X Change]

I have never driven you, Bob. New York City, bitch. I used to drive you everywhere.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Oh, yeah. You used to drive me there. Yeah, yeah, but you drive.

[Advertisement Voice]

Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah.

[Monet X Change]

Oh, yeah.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Oh, yeah. I forgot. But you didn't drive. You didn't drive fast, money. You can't. You can't drive fast in New York City. You literally.

[Monet X Change]

Yes, you can. On the west side highway, bitch.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

You did. I also did not say. I never said you drove fast in New York City. I never had a single complaint about your driving. I've never. I do now remember you driving. I forgot. I forgot about New York City. I never complained about you. When have I complained about your driving ever?

[Monet X Change]

Bob used to make fun of me driving all day. Yes, Bob, this is so. Okay, so, Bob, so you're saying you have never made fun. You say you've never made fun of my driving in New York City. Bob, you are literally the queen of making fun and making jokes about everything. You absolutely used to it. I know you did.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I don't think there's anything wrong with you. I'VE never made fun of your driving. I don't even remember your drive. I've not made fun of your driving. I have just not done that. That is just a falsehood.

[Monet X Change]

Y' all listening? Knowing everything you know about Bob the Drag Queen. Do y' all believe Bob saying he's never made fun of my driving? Everything you know about Bob and me

[Bob the Drag Queen]

in this podcast, Bob's saying what I said.

[Monet X Change]

Okay, yeah, Bobby, you. This was like, six, seven years ago. Of course I remember every single thing you said about my driving.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Not everything, just one thing. Like, one thing.

[Monet X Change]

Okay, I'm not doing this because now we're doing this thing.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

One example of something I said while you're driving, Bob.

[Monet X Change]

Like, I would like, for example, if we'd be going up the west side highway to your house, from midtown to your house, I would go like, geez, Monet. When I would overtake someone. Like, Monet, you cannot overtake someone on the highway. I'd be like, yes, you can. We'll argue about, like, rules of the road. You absolutely used to. Absolutely.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I also don't think that pointing out that you've done something illegal is making fun of your driving. I think if I say, wow, you just ran a red light. You just ran a red light, that's

[Monet X Change]

making fun of your fun.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

If I say, you just ran a red light, that's making fun of your driving.

[Monet X Change]

Bob, I can't even. I can't go down this.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

You think if I say, you just ran a red light, you think that's making fun of your driving?

[Monet X Change]

No, Bob, you know, you are the queen of making fun of jokes. You are in. So you. So you think you are genuine. Like, truthfully saying.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Hold on, hold on, hold on. Let me say this. I make fun of a lot of stuff. For example, I've never made fun of your cooking ever. I make fun of a lot. I don't make fun of everything. I've never made fun of your cooking. I've never made fun of your fucking sweaters. I've never made fun of, like, I make fun of things, but it doesn't mean I make fun of every single thing in everyone's life. That doesn't mean that I literally joke about everything that exists. I never made fun of your family. I made fun of Jamaican accent.

[Monet X Change]

No, you made fun of my mom talking about my mom wearing bathing suits to the beach. You actually made fun of that. You've made fun of. Of.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Yes.

[Monet X Change]

And you know you have. And you made fun of my brother being a cop, Bob, you Asked.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I said blue. I said blue.

[Monet X Change]

I said.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Monet said blue. Eyes matter.

[Monet X Change]

Yeah, but that my mother

[Bob the Drag Queen]

did. You. I don't care.

[Monet X Change]

No, he did not. You're literally making fun of it. So literally. You are literally. You make fun of my family, and you have absolutely made fun of jokes of me driving. You absolutely have.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

And again, I. I don't care.

[Monet X Change]

Again. I don't know why you getting up in arms about it. This is part of a dynamic. It's been funny.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I did not make fun of your driving. That's just not.

[Monet X Change]

You have. Yes, you have. It's not even that deep. I'm gagged that you're saying in the 10 plus years we've been friends, you have never made fun of me driving when I've been driving

[Bob the Drag Queen]

in the 10 plus years. Have made fun of your cooking. Have I ever made fun of your cooking? Is that. Mind, is that.

[Monet X Change]

Have I ever cooked for you? Have I ever cooked for you? Have I ever.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Probably, I don't think.

[Monet X Change]

Oh, yes, you did. For Thanksgiving. When I said. When I was. When I brought my chocolate cake over. You fully make fun of my food, Monet.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Okay, just. Y' all know Monae's doing a thing right now. Monet did not bring. Monet brought chocolate cake from the store, and she acted like she made the cake, but she was saying the cake was her ass. Monet was like, I. Homemade chocolate cake.

[Monet X Change]

You. You also made fun of me that I was the only one that did not cook something. You like. Monet. All I'm saying is everyone cooks something, and you brought.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

No, no, no, no, no, no.

[Monet X Change]

I brought empanadas. I brought empanadas. I brought empanadas. And you made fun of. I was the only one that went to the store and bought my food to bring as opposed to cooking something I was making.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Funny, because you kept telling everyone that you cooked the empanadas. You kept swearing up and down that you made this chocolate. By the way, y', all, it was a slice of chocolate cake. So I was like, what you're saying is you baked a whole cake. You took a slice of the cake out, put it in styrofoam, and brought it here. You were lying about that.

[Monet X Change]

Sure.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

You were joking, but I was making. I was making a chocolate cake at all. Empanadas. Monat bought empanadas that were still in the bag. They still had empanada mama on the bags. And yes, I was making fun of the fact that you lied about cooking food, but I was not making Fun of your cooking. That's not making fun of your cooking.

[Monet X Change]

Okay?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

That's making fun of your cooking.

[Monet X Change]

All I'm saying is that. All I say, that you have made fun of me bringing food to Thanksgiving. And Bob, you have absolutely made fun of me driving.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Use it to falsify and act like I made fun of your cooking.

[Monet X Change]

That's how you do.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

You take these little things and you build a thing on top of it and you say, so technically you made fun of my cooking, which is not true. I made fun of you lying about cooking. Okay?

[Monet X Change]

This is what you do. You go to some. Then you take the conversation to fucking. To Mars. We're going back to the thing at hand, which was you have absolutely made fun of me driving. And again, you weren't, like, trying to, like, you weren't ridiculing me and putting me on the floor and kicking me down for me. I'm a shit driver. And punch me in the face.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

You make fun of my driving?

[Monet X Change]

Yes, I have made fun of your driving. Yes, I am here. I absolutely. I absolutely have. And you have made fun of my driving, too. But again, I'm not saying that you, like, put me on the ground and fucking beat me up and told I'm a shit driver and I shouldn't drive my car. Again, you're just doing your typical Bob shit. And again, that's fine. I don't understand why you're. Why you're throwing it. Yes, you have. You absolutely have. You have.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

The funny thing is what makes this so funny, because you're the one who makes fun of my driving. That's what makes this fun. Yes, I do.

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[Monet X Change]

Absolutely.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

That's what makes this so insane and hilarious, is that you're crazy. Literally, you do. When I do it. If I remember, for example, when I remember that you drove, I said, oh, yeah, you drove me. I would not. Why would I fucking lie? I don't lie. So when I remember, I was dead.

[Monet X Change]

You probably don't remember.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Bitch, I'm talking. Oh, yeah. New York City. Remember now? I remember that. Yeah, for sure. But I'm not gonna sit here and lie to you about whether or not

[Monet X Change]

you used to make fun of my driving. Used to make fun of my car. Calling it. Calling it the fucking Peace Mobile, Whatever the. Exactly. Bob used to. Oh, my God. You know what? Okay, you know what, Bob? You never made fun of my driving. You're right. You're right. You're right.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

This is Monet.

[Monet X Change]

You're right.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Monet saying. I mean, Monet had A Coexist sticker on her car. So I just called it the Coexist Mobile. Monet said. This is Monet's version of me making fun of her car. I literally read the bumper sticker. I could not remember the name of the car, so I called it the Coexist. I never made fun of her car. It's raggedy, it's shit, it's dirty. No one said that. No one said that. But again, I called it the Coexist Mobile. But then you tell the story and then when you retell the story, all you say is, you made fun of my car. You made fun of my car, Bob.

[Monet X Change]

Oh.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

So Bob.

[Monet X Change]

And you know how. And you. You know what, let's take a break. Cause I need a moment before I fucking take this bottle and fucking shove it through this goddamn camera at you, bitch.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Drink up.

[Monet X Change]

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[Bob the Drag Queen]

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[Monet X Change]

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[Bob the Drag Queen]

no, let me jump in here real quick. Forget the topic. We're back. This is my thing. You do this thing where you take one little thing and you build this other narrative around. So this where. So people on the podcast here, Bob made fun of my car when the truth is I just called your car which the truth is I called your car the coexist mobile because you had a coexist sticker on it. I never said anything else about your car. I never made fun of the size, the shape, the color, the make, the model, the raggedy. The new Bob said was, you drive the coexist mobile. That's me making fun of you.

[Monet X Change]

But Bobby, you know how you hamper in on a joke. And y' all know. But at this point, y' all know Bob, Bobby would be like, Monet's just driving around with her little coexist mobile. Monet, Monet, did you or did you not have your little coexist sticker on your little car? And you know. And Bob, this is. Again, no one is mad at that. I'm not saying you made fun of my car to hurt my feelings. You were doing the Bob thing where you go when you hampered on a joke and you rehash it over and over and over again, and you like, what's your little coexist mobile in your car? And all your little stickers on the back. You know, y'.

[Shannon Maldonado]

All.

[Monet X Change]

I'm telling y', all, Monet used to have this. Monet used to have this car. She used to have a little coexist sticker on there. And like, again, that is.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I'm not.

[Monet X Change]

No one is mad at that. I'm just saying you're making fun, like a little poke, little jokes in my car, and I would laugh. We would all laugh at it. You're the one. You do the. You take little things like this. You take this thing when you take. When I say something like, Bob, me in front of my car, just because you're insecure about how you, like, maybe went in and you make it. And insecure is not the right word.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

But, like, you're saying, I went in on the coexist sticker. Went in. Bob.

[Monet X Change]

I literally said how you would do it. And again, we all laugh. It's funny. No one is mad about it, but it is still making fun of a car. And again. But who's. No one's mad, bitch, you're the only one mad.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

No, what I'm mad is that. Do you see how when you come on here and you say. All you say is, bob used to make fun of my car. Bob is making fun of my car. Cause you did that's you know what? What's the topic, bitch? What's the topic?

[Monet X Change]

The topic is because, you know, I feel like when you made fun of it, you were, like, really dragging my case. You made fun of my mom.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

You made fun of my fucking age. You make fun of my what? Like that. That is how you could easily throw something. Like, Monet made fun of my mom. Y' all believe Monet made fun of my mom. Monat made fun of my mom. Let her, Jacob. I see it.

[Monet X Change]

Again. You have made fun of my mom. Again. I generally don't think I have made fun of Miss Martha because I always have a lot of reverence. But again, when you crack a little joke on my mom, it's not like you're not doing with malice. You're not hurting my feelings about your mom. You would say that my mom drinks or my mom. Or my mom wears whatever to the beach. See, you guys said that Jackie's drunk.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

We're not moving to the topic. I'm gonna say this fucking shit. This is the thing. I'll say something like. What I will say is something like, my mom has never worn a bathing suit to the beach before. So I say, I just can't imagine. It's wild me to imagine someone's mom at, like, my mom going to the beach in, like, a bathing suit or out at the thing. I could never even fathom a mom wearing that. Because my mom. That's not me making fun of your mom.

[Advertisement Voice]

No.

[Monet X Change]

Okay. But then we would have. Then we'd talk about stuff in that same episode, I believe that same episode. And Jake or whoever knows, I mean, I don't know what it was about, but I would say how, like, my mom would drink. And then literally at the end of the podcast, your final joke of the podcast. And again, we both laughed because it was funny. And you said, cause Jackie was drunk or something like that. And we both laugh again. It's just little jokes that we do. I'm not saying that you hurt my feelings, Bob. How dare you say that my mom drinks. Mom is a drunk. They're jokes. And that is how this podcast is. You're the one taking this and. And throwing it into fucking Mars and making it this thing. How I'm saying that you are making fun of my mom being a drunk. It's a joke I don't like. We both laugh. It's fun.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I don't. Because I don't like it. Anyway, I'm telling you my experience, how I'm feeling. So I don't like when you come on here and you just say, bob makes fun of my mom. Bob makes fun of my car. Bob makes fun of my cooking, Bob. Then it makes. I'm just over here just fucking bullying you and making fun of you and just teasing you and. And just shitting all over your existence when that's not the case.

[Monet X Change]

No one said that.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Okay?

[Monet X Change]

And I want to say. You brought up. I'm telling you, you brought up. You brought up the moms, bitch. You just brought up. You said that. You said that I make fun of your mom. And I said, I don't think I made fun of your mom. But you have said that. That, that Jackie's drunk, whatever. But again, no one is mad. I've. In fact, I've said it emphatically that I'm not mad. I'm not upset. This is how we. This. I'm letting you know that I am not upset about it. I'm not. I'm not. I'm not. It doesn't hurt my feelings. That is what this podc. Fun of stuff. And we make little jokes and we both move on. No one is upset. Well, I'm not upset. I'm not mad that you make a joke about my mom drinking. I'm not.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I don't know, creating this narrative. But then you keep pushing this story like, bob make fun of my mom's drinking. I'm telling you how I'm feeling. I don't like the notion where you make it seem like I'm just shitting on your life. I don't like that feeling. It doesn't seem true to me and it doesn't seem truthful to my experience.

[Monet X Change]

Well, I don't know what to tell you about. Well, I mean, I don't know what to tell you about. I mean, maybe the. Maybe the answer is. And don't make jokes about it if later you're gonna feel bad about it. But I don't feel bad about those jokes. So my resolve to you is telling you that when you make those jokes, they don't hurt my feelings. There is no malice. I'm saying it on the podcast for everyone listening to here. There is no malice. I don't feel bad. I don't think you're being mean. There are jokes that we do in this podcast, and no one is upset about it. So I don't know if that helps you feel better, but that's what. That's how I feel about those jokes. I don't think. Again, this is levity. This is what this podcast is. Is you make little jokes on your little bob quips, whatever. They're funny. No one is upset. I'm not upset about it.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I didn't say you're upset. One day. What's the topic?

[Monet X Change]

The topic is Dragula, your favorite TV show.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

It's not my favorite TV show.

[Monet X Change]

Is Drag Race still your favorite TV show?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I mean. Well, my favorite TV show is Breaking Bad. I say that always. My favorite TV show, my favorite unscripted show is RuPaul's Drag Race, but my favorite TV show is, and will be for probably a long time, Breaking Bad. It's just a brilliant. Is a brilliant TV show.

[Monet X Change]

Well, I mean, people always think there's like a shady thing, whatever. I've never watched Dragula and I don't say that as a. I've never watched that show. I just never have. I've never watched it. I have several friends who've been on the show, like Meatball, Mary, Cherry, Aborra, and they're all fucking great. I met Patty and I met Aborra in 2008. We went to our show and we did a tour with her. And I had never watched a show. And I met her then. I was like, oh, my God, this bitch is so good. Her drag is so interesting. She does a thing where she shades her teeth. I thought she was wearing a full on denture or some type of tooth something. She put this thing on her teeth and she had like these angular teeth. And I was so. I would like look at her in her face. I was like, how do you do that? So it was my first time, like meeting, but. But that's not just. It's not my first time meeting like an alternative drag queen because girl, Saliva Tuesday is Brooklyn. I met a lot of alternative Queensland, but from the show Dragula, and I was really intrigued. And from then I went on to watch a lot of her stuff on Dragula. I didn't watch her whole season, but I was really intrigued by Ebora and I really fucking like it. She's also a really nice person outside of drag. I met her at a few stuff in LA and. But Abora is like the first Dragula girl I met. And I was like, oh, my God, this bitch is so fucking cool. I really like her.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I mean, I don't really. I don't know how much we can talk about drag if you've never seen the show before.

[Monet X Change]

I mean, I mean, I know the premise of it, the exterminations and how the ch. What?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Okay, this is the biggest premise of Survivor, but I can't talk about it because I've never watched it before.

[Monet X Change]

Well, the big thing that is that probably the reason why I don't watch the show is because of how gory it is. And it's a reason why I don't watch a lot of shows like that, because I physically cannot watch someone taking a stapler and stapling. The thing like that, to me, freaks me out. And that's a big reason why I haven't watched the show, because I've heard how intense and how gory it is.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

There's really not that much of it on the show. I mean, in a season, they'll be like, there was someone, I believe in the last scene there was drinking blood was one of them. And I heard down the line that it wasn't even real blood. But wait, really? I heard. I heard that the vegans were offered concentrated cranberry juice or something to drink instead of.

[Monet X Change]

Oh, that is shady.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Which is apparently hard to drink still. But, I mean, it's shady to try to make a vegan drink blood. That's shady. That's actually.

[Advertisement Voice]

That is.

[Monet X Change]

But don't you think there's, like, a better comparison? So it's, like, as gross? You know what I mean? I don't know. I guess there isn't Animal Hood.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

But also, that's also a conjecture. It might be a full. I did not actually hear it from one of the competitors on the season. I think I heard it from a competitor from a previous season. So I don't. I don't even know if. I don't even know if it's true. You know what I mean?

[Monet X Change]

Right.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

And I think they did. I'm trying to think of anything else they did that was really gross this season. That's really. I think that's. They did, like, an electric chair, like, where they were all, like, being shocked. They.

[Monet X Change]

I've heard about that. To me, that's crazy.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

But it was. Honestly, I'm assuming it was probably not a significant. I'm assuming it probably wasn't a significant shock. I don't think they could actually give anyone a significant shock on the show. That's probably illegal.

[Monet X Change]

I mean, if you consent to it. Is it illegal? I mean, probably not a voltage high enough to kill someone and stop their heart, but if you consent to doing it. Oh, yeah. But like, very, like, fear factor.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

You can only consent to so much legally. Like, you can't. I don't think you can consent to, like, people stabbing you or, you know, I don't think you can consent to like that. Actually, I don't know the laws around consenting to stabbing.

[Monet X Change]

I mean, isn't.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Isn't a tattoo just getting stabbed a bunch of times over and over again? You know what I mean?

[Monet X Change]

Right.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

So I guess there's. I don't really know the legal parameters. I am intrigued by the fact that on RuPaul's Drag Race gets a lot of flack for what they put their contestants through, and Dragula never gets any flack, and they put their contestants through some really, really wild stuff.

[Monet X Change]

What's the wildest?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Probably the tattoos. Probably making the competitors get tattoos to stay in the game.

[Monet X Change]

And who's tattooing them?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I'm assuming a tattoo artist. I'm assuming it's a tattoo artist of some sort, and they have to get, like, Dragula tattoos. I believe that one of them got, like, Dragula Slut. I think I may be making that up. It was the name Dragula in something. And then I think someone else may have got, like, a tattoo of the Bulets. But, like, imagine if RuPaul was like, you have to get my face or my name tattooed on you to stay in this competition, and then someone got the tattoo and still got eliminated.

[Monet X Change]

Okay, but don't you agree after a certain level, like, after a certain amount of tattoos, it's just ink? Like, if RuPaul said you had to get the Drag Race logo tattooed on you at this point, would you be like, absolutely not? Or would you be like, girl, it's just ink? Like, this is how I feel about that. I'm like, it's just ink. Whatever.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Well, I guess it depend on where and why and how big it was. And, I mean, I don't know that the other girls. I don't even know that those other contestants had tattoos at the time. I have no clue. I don't really remember. I remember one of the people, Dahlia Black, got it, and I can't remember who else got the other one, but whoever got the other one got sent home, they got the tattoo, and then they got eliminated.

[Advertisement Voice]

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[Bob the Drag Queen]

And I'm trying to imagine a world where RuPaul's Drag Race makes you get RuPaul's Drag Race tattooed on your ass and then eliminates you. And the fans would not be up in arms.

[Monet X Change]

Oh, the fans would. The fans would be very upset about that. I do my big thing about Dragula, you know, and this is, like the shady thing that people get upset when that Dragula girls aren't on. Some drag girls aren't on Drag Race, but they're not upset. The other way around that. Because I have heard there are some drag races who try to get on Dragula, but they don't get on the show. And people aren't like, oh, that's not fair. But the other way around, they feel very like it's not fair. See what I'm saying?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

What do you mean?

[Monet X Change]

Like, for example, like, like, they will, like, they'll, like, get upset. Like, Abora is like, like, she said, I've auditioned for Dragons and I haven't got on it. And then the conversation becomes, well, that's because RuPaul draggers, they hate alternative drag. They only want to do da, da, da, da. But let's say if. Let's say if Alyssa Edwards didn't get on Dragula, they would not say the same. They'd be like, well, that's because the Boule brothers hate pageant drag. And they would never like, you know what I'm saying? The conversation isn't the same.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Yeah, Maybe it's because RuPaul's Drag Race is more popular. I also don't know that. I don't know that it is true that Drag Race doesn't like alternative drag. I think that Drag Race has had quite a few alternative queens on the show, from Sharon Needles to Alaska, Charity Case Milk, Charity Case Crystal Method, you know, tons of queens who do what could be considered in some form or another alternative drag.

[Monet X Change]

If Dragula said they were going to give away a million dollars, would you audition for the show or not? Audition? If they would cast, they were like, bobby, we want to cast you in our million dollar season. Would you do it?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I don't think that competing in drag is for me anymore. I don't think that doing competitive drag is really my cup of tea anymore. I think that maybe two years ago, if I would have got called back for an All Star season, maybe before the, like at the beginning of the pandemic, if they would have been like, bob, we want you to do an All Stars, I would have done it. But now I don't think that I have any desire to do competitive drag at all. And I used to not understand why Trixie. I was like, why not Trixie? But honestly, I get it now. It doesn't spark any joy in me to compete in drag at all.

[Monet X Change]

Okay, what if it was $5 million?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I mean, I don't think that there'd be. I mean, it'd have to be a really absurd amount of money to get me to compete in drag.

[Monet X Change]

I mean, five episodes, $5 million,

[Bob the Drag Queen]

maybe the answer is probably. But, I mean, I also. I don't think I would excel at Dracula. I don't think I'd actually do a good job at Dracula because I'm not. I don't like. I'm not going to eat something that I find disgusting. I'm not going to. I'm not gonna harm my body in any way. I'm not going to staple anything to myself. I'm not gonna get a tattoo of the Boule Brothers. I like the Boule Brothers, but I'm not getting a tattoo of the Boulets on my thing.

[Monet X Change]

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[Monet X Change]

And we're back.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Have you ever done alternative drag? I mean, I feel like.

[Monet X Change]

I feel like I used to do some alternative drag looks, but like, that was beyond, like. I mean, no, I used to pop. I used to do some alternative drag. Do you remember my fat number? When I would, like get all those ingredients and put them in a bowl and mix it and eat it. People would. I would. People would fucking gag. Audience would scream every time. I feel like that's a very alternative number. I used to do some alternative looks, but I would never. I never class my. I never classified myself as an alternative drag queen, which actually I have the clip. Oh, my God. On my hard drive. I have the video of me performing a fat number at Le Queen. And I can put it on the Patreon as a Patreon exclusive. That was a great number, right?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I liked it. I enjoyed when you did the number. It was kind of gross. I liked. Was hard to watch. It was you eating like it was you watching you eat Crisco. And it was like.

[Monet X Change]

It was like Crisco lard confection. It was like a bunch of nasty shit. It was so nasty.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

But I enjoyed when you did it, though. But it Was hard to watch, I'll say that.

[Monet X Change]

Yeah. Yeah. So I never had some alternative numbers. I was never an alternative queen. Were you?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

No, I don't know that I never did alternative drag, but I certainly experimented a lot with makeup, especially working at Look Queen.

[Monet X Change]

This is a pretty alternative look.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

You know, I love clowns. Anytime I get a chance to do some goofy looking, like, clown drag, I. I love crazy drag. I've always loved. Anyone who knows me knows I've always loved crazy drag. Always.

[Monet X Change]

I love the Wiggles. The Wiggles are pretty alternative.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I. What is that?

[Monet X Change]

The Wiggles.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Oh, why, why are you with the Wiggles? Were you in Australia?

[Monet X Change]

I did a gig with the Wiggles somewhere in Australia. I think so They're Australian. Yeah. Probably not something like this.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I mean, I'll send you all pictures. Oh, my God.

[Monet X Change]

I used to love that look. That was a great. Oh, my God. You should bring that back.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Maybe. Maybe I'll redo it one day, who knows? But I'll post a bunch of pictures of my. Of my days as like a. I was never an alt queen, but when I was experimenting with. I think a lot of queens go. Go to the phase where they experiment with drag. Even Valentina. You know, Valentina won the first Dragula. Did you know that?

[Monet X Change]

What do you mean she won the first Dragula?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Before Dragula was a TV show, it was a competition at a bar and Valentina won.

[Monet X Change]

Dragula, what did she do?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

We should have her on and ask her one day. But I mean, yeah, Valentina won the. I think she won. It was either the first Dragula or the last Dragula before it became a TV show. But yeah, isn't that wild? Valentina is an alt queen.

[Monet X Change]

I cannot imagine Valentina. I mean, adore, adore, adore. Delano classifies herself as an alt queen, but she's not like. But more in, like the. In like the Tumblr alt girl as opposed to like drag alt, if that makes sense.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Okay, so what makes you an alt queen? What makes you an alt drag queen?

[Monet X Change]

An alt drag queen, I mean, but

[Bob the Drag Queen]

classifies as alt drag. Should I say a lot of alt performers don't qualify themselves as queens?

[Monet X Change]

Yeah, alt performer. I would say, like, you have to be alternative. I don't know. I don't want to say. I don't want to say. I feel like. I don't know, I feel like it's such a big umbrella. I'm trying to like, find words to make them all fall under the same umbrella, but there's so many different Things that make you alt.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I feel like if your aesthetic or your performance style is out of the norm, which is really up for interpretation, then you're an alt. Then you do alt drag. Someone like Christine who has a song called, like, Africa Man Age. Christine's this queen who does, like, I don't know how to describe, besides calling it crackhead drag. That's like, the best way I can describe literally, is like, it's like meth head. It's like literally meth head drag. I think her character is based off of, like, a meth head or people like Crystal something something from Ohio.

[Monet X Change]

Crystal something something. Would you say Azrea was alt drag back in the day?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Azra. They did some alt. Yeah, they were doing alt drag. TP Lords down in Miami does alt drag, in my opinion. But also, it's really not for me to. I guess it's really for them to decide. Nina Flowers does kind of alt drag.

[Monet X Change]

Yeah. Would you cast somebody? Nina's alts.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Nina Flowers, Yeah. The Mohawks and, like, the androgynous looks. Yeah, for sure.

[Monet X Change]

Yeah.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

What do you think that Drag Race has always highlighted alt drag? Like, always since season one, they've highlighted alternative drag.

[Monet X Change]

Nina, Nina. Nina Flowers. Season one. Yeah.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Nina Bonina Brown. Nina Flowers.

[Monet X Change]

Oh, my God. Yeah.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Yeah. Milk. I mean, I've already started. I've already listed a lot of these queens already, but, yeah, I feel like Drag Race has kind of always been highlighting that kind of.

[Monet X Change]

I don't think. I don't think we had an alt Queen Season 10 or Season 8.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

We had acid Betty. We certainly did. Acid Betty is.

[Monet X Change]

Oh, acid. Yes, Acid Betty.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

And I think Thorgy is kind of

[Monet X Change]

an alt queen, too.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Honestly, Thorgy is.

[Monet X Change]

No, Thorgy's not alt, I think so

[Bob the Drag Queen]

in my opinion, Thorgy is definitely alt. Thorgy does some really, really wacky out there drag sometimes.

[Monet X Change]

But you and I have done some wacky out there drag. I wouldn't call us all queens.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

And I also think that. I think I would consider Thorgy an alt queen for sure. And I also think that Thorgy's also legitimately like what people know as the current day Brooklyn drag scene. Thorgy's like one of the first queens on that scene.

[Monet X Change]

Pioneers. Yeah.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Brooklyn. When I started drag, there really were. I mean, maybe, maybe, and I'm really saying maybe, 10 drag queens who performed in Brooklyn. I can't even name all ten.

[Monet X Change]

I was gonna say five. Misty Mocha, Azra, Thorgi, Emoka, Thorgy, Crystal, Something something.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Charmin Ultra, Lady Blue.

[Monet X Change]

Charmin Ultra was later you're thinking Charmaine Ultra.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Oh, Charmaine Ultra used to perform it with Crystal at Backspace.

[Monet X Change]

Oh, I didn't know that.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Lady Blue. And I couldn't think of the other ones if I wanted to.

[Monet X Change]

Yeah, I would say. Honest. I genuinely classify Thorgy as a clown. I feel Thorgy really is a clown,

[Bob the Drag Queen]

but she has drag that makes it alt. It doesn't have to be kooky and it doesn't have to be spooky. It doesn't have to be scary to be alt, I don't think.

[Monet X Change]

Yeah.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

So if she's doing, like, clown drag, that's alt drag to me, in my opinion.

[Monet X Change]

Well, what do you think about bitches that only wear masks? Because I remember that was like. Because Charity Case, obviously she wears a lot of masks in her drag and people would come for her on UK3. They'd be like, well, she keeps on wearing masks. That's not drag. I feel like it is drag.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I didn't realize she wore so many masks. Yeah, I think it's drag. I used to know a lot of queens who wore a mask in the nightlife scene. There's also this really famous performer named Narcissist Sister. I don't think she considers herself a drag queen or a drag artist at all, for that matter. But I think she used to date Marilyn Manson work. Her name is Narcissist.

[Monet X Change]

Er, Narcissist.

[Shannon Maldonado]

Er.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Yeah. She wears this, like, mask when she performs. But, yeah, I think that mask.

[Monet X Change]

I feel like you have an alt name.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Bob the Drag Queen.

[Monet X Change]

When you change from Kitten with a Wood to Bob the Drag Queen, like your name was, it caused such a stir. Cause it was so. It was so abnormal. It was weird.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Well, because it was a. It was just. It's just a bad drag name. So people were kind of just like, tickled that a drag queen would. Would name herself Bob because it's just. It's not ladylike.

[Monet X Change]

Right. It was very alt.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Why would you want to go by Bob the Drag Queen? Yeah, I guess the name is alt, I guess. I'm trying to think. Yeah, I mean, it's a little different than your typical, which is like, you know, I met a queen last night named Titus. Titus you'll ever feel. Which really tickled me.

[Monet X Change]

That's good.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

That was pretty good.

[Monet X Change]

Right Now, I saw you at that show. Bob will make a show watching the audience, but then you, Jenny, turns into a competition finding out who was your. Who was some competition you launch about people watching the show.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

What. What are you talking about?

[Monet X Change]

That show you went to. With Gigi Goode in them, and then you started just like, talking about the audience members. You were like. You were like naming the audience members. You're like. And she. Her over there, she's the one who always trying to get a picture of this one. The queen that won't stop dancing.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Well, it was during the break and there was so much time between the sets that I was like, I need to fill my time because this is. Because I couldn't sit down. Because when you sit down, you're against a wall. If you're against a wall, you can't actually see the stage. So you had to stand up the whole time. I didn't want to leave the railing because if I moved from the railing, we would lose our spots and then someone else would just fall into the railing. So Jacob and Ezra would stand against the railing and I would stand behind them because I'm taller than them. Otherwise someone tall might get in front of us. So I was like, well, if I have to stay in here, I might as well take videos of the audience members and, like, point out people that I think are, you know, interesting while they're down there and while I'm standing up here alone in the vip.

[Monet X Change]

How was the show?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

It was a really good show. La drag is so different than what I'm. I'm not quite used to LA drag yet.

[Monet X Change]

What's the difference? Cause I can't put my finger on it either. Because I would say the queens that I have seen in LA remind New York queens. Like, I see Selena Astidis perform a lot. She reminds me of a New York queen. I see Godoy perform a lot. Godoy performance. That reminds me of a New York queen. So I don't. Yeah, I don't know.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I think what it is, is there's like every show is like a big cast. Like every show.

[Monet X Change]

Right, right.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

It's like multiple queens. I don't think I've seen a single. I'm not saying it doesn't exist. I'm saying I have not seen a show in LA yet. That's just one queen.

[Monet X Change]

I gotta take it to Selena. Bob, you will love Selena Estiddies. I have to take it to her show at. It's called Eloteria. We'll go, Bob. You will.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

It's a card game, right?

[Monet X Change]

Yeah. But she does basically a show like, it's her own, like, one woman show outside of the card game. It's really good. Yeah, I know who she is.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I know who it is. I know who selense is. Yeah, I've met her several times. Never in her show before.

[Monet X Change]

Yeah, yeah, I'll take it to her show. You'll love it.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I thought it was like bingo with a couple of drag numbers. I mean, I wasn't sure.

[Monet X Change]

It is.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

It is.

[Monet X Change]

It's kind of like bingo with some drag numbers. But she's like, really funny and like she's doing like her stand up stuff and then she. And then she does a suicide at the end and she. There's a lot of. Yeah, they're like elements of New York City drag. And you're like, oh, my God, this bitch is. She's great. She's really funny. I think you really like her.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Where is it at your favorite thing?

[Monet X Change]

She's sober. You love her.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

You can't go around telling that everyone's sober. I feel like I always tell you

[Monet X Change]

shit is going around. No, she says that. She says it herself that she's a sober drag queen.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

It's just kind of. It's kind of a faux pas,

[Monet X Change]

even if someone says it a little bit.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Kind of. You guys gotta let people do it on their own terms.

[Monet X Change]

But kind of like Marty Gold Cummings, Marty Gomez goes around be like, I'm the sober drag queen. I'm sober, I'm sober.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

You're really leaning in. I mean, as a general rule, I don't talk about. I will say out loud, people don't drink. That is different than saying, like, someone's in sobriety.

[Monet X Change]

Oh, okay, well, she doesn't drink.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Peppermint doesn't drink. But she's not sober.

[Monet X Change]

Right. Okay, so I redact what I said. Selena City's is she doesn't drink. Also, I don't know if she's sober or not.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

That's not one of the things that makes me like people. I like a lot of people who drink.

[Monet X Change]

I know, I know. I was kidding.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Oh, you are obsessed with people. You are obsessed with sober people.

[Monet X Change]

You're obsessed with not.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

You always. You bring it up more than I do. You do. You are upset with people not drinking. You think it is very interesting. You're always like. You just seem really oddly intrigued by the notion of sobriety in a way that is very interesting to me. I've never seen anyone alcohol.

[Monet X Change]

Alcohol just tastes so good, which is probably my problem.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Does it taste good? You don't even. You don't even. You can't even taste the difference between vodka and tequila. Does it taste good? I think so.

[Monet X Change]

I think it's delicious.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

You can't even tell the difference. In how it tastes. You think whiskey tastes like vodka?

[Monet X Change]

I will say. I will say serve vodka. Green apple. Chef's kiss.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Wait, do you really. I can't tell. Do you really think vodka taste. I mean, that alcohol tastes great if.

[Monet X Change]

Yeah, I mean, I'm not. I swear, I'm not doing anything selling my vodka. I genuinely like my vodka cold with just some ice. Like, I also. But I love apples, so it's like, literally an intersection of my two favorite things. An intersection of my two favorite things. Green apples and vodka. I'm like, bitch, I'm sold. I love it.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

So if I squeeze some apple, some apple extract or flavoring into some tequila and put it next to an apple vodka, you wouldn't be able to tell the difference.

[Monet X Change]

I'd like to see it. I don't know. I haven't had this experience. I don't know.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I mean, usually there is infused tequila. It's not as common as infused vodka. And usually it's like. There's like. It's like citrus. So it's like. It's like orange, but it's like just citrus in general. It's like. It's kind of like lemony, limey. Is it like patron citrus or citron? And then you have, like, with orange as well. And then they also come. They come in coffee flavors a lot, too.

[Monet X Change]

Oh, yeah. They have patron cafe, the one with the fucking coffee.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Patron, which, I mean, I personally never, you know, got into. Is there any kind of drag you just like? Is there a style and aesthetic of drag that you do not like?

[Monet X Change]

An aesthetic of drag? I do not like, I don't think I've ever encountered one. I'm like, ugh, I hate that. I mean, you know, every time you do the Drag Race tape, they ask you this question. This is the question I asked you on the Drag Race audition tapes. And I always say, lazy drag. I cannot stand people. Like, if your drag is being lazy, like, unironically, like, you just, like, you don't, like, put on nice clothes. That's not true. Cause Busted. But it's her whole busted. That's Busted's whole shtick. So it's funny. But, like, queens who are, like, unintentionally lazy, and they just. They don't realize that how lazy they are is effect is making a bad. Their drag really bad. I hate that they don't do what makes drag lazy. Like, queens that don't do new numbers. They don't ever. They don't. They don't ever try to make new clothes or have new things on or they don't ever try to. Like, they put no effort into their drag. They're not, like, brushing their hair. They're just, like. They just haven't. They like, they. To me, it seems like they don't care. I hate that, because this is a hard fucking job. It's really hard. And you detract from other bitches who are trying hard. Because then people who are trying to hire queens, they just see you and they're like, well, she doesn't do new. She doesn't do new numbers. She doesn't wear. She doesn't do new hair. She doesn't try. And they just. They start to put that blanket on all the other bitches working at the club. So I hate. I hate lazy drag. If it's not your. If it's not an aesthetic choice, like, for your character, like, busted queen.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I don't know that I've ever seen a lazy queen outshine the queens who are working hard.

[Monet X Change]

Boz, think about that. Cause you know one, you know exactly who.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Who.

[Monet X Change]

And she gets all the flowers, all the rewards for her lazy behavior.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

So let me think about this hard. Cause I feel like. And believe that.

[Monet X Change]

Believe that. Believe that name. I said. Believe that. I don't want to send anybody any hate. Believe that name, I said.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Her drag is lazy, but I assume she's a hard worker. But her drag is kind of lazy. I mean, I think. I don't. I have not worked with her in so long, to be honest, I really don't even remember. Like, it's been a long time since her and I worked together. That is the. That's the gospel truth. I mean, it's literally been almost probably 10 years, eight years. At least eight years since we've worked

[Monet X Change]

together and getting all the rewards.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

But I don't know that her laziness ever affected. Maybe it did. Maybe it did. I'm trying to think. I have to really dive back into my memory banks as a New York City queen working the scene.

[Monet X Change]

Your Azealia memory banks.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I do think that the queens who, as a general rule, the queens who work harder get more recognition for their hard work, in my experience.

[Shannon Maldonado]

Mm.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Do you have a favorite alt performance you've seen?

[Monet X Change]

Ooh, favorite alt performance. I've seen favorite alt performance. I feel like I've seen so many. Right. This is not super alt. This one is. I just thought about immediately was when it was the night that Thorgy Thor. It was Azealia Banks and Thorgy Thor at Westway and Thorgy Thor Did Saliva Tuesdays and then she ran down to Westgate and Thorgy did the Lion King at Westway. Again, it's not super alt, but it was definitely like. It made you be like, is this the song I'm hearing now with this packed club? And it was such a fucking dynamic performance. It was so fucking good. But that's one that sticks out to me like Emilia in my head. Thorgy Thor performing Thorgy was an alt. No, but it's. But I mean, you know.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

But your favorite altar by a non alt queen.

[Monet X Change]

I mean my fat mix is. I'm not an alt queen, but that's definitely an alt number. But it was because I spoke about it yesterday. So I can think about it right now. But there's definitely others I've seen. Oh, Abora did one in Australia where she had these fucking balloons and she. And she's on stilts. The bitch performs on stilts. And then she picked and she's like towering over the audience, which again is so crazy to me because what if some drunk person like falls into your stilt? Bitch, you're going down anyway. And she gets this like. She has this like sack of balloons on. She pops them and becomes a thing. So that was a pretty cool alt number I've seen by Abora.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I think my favorites are probably. What about you, Bronx? Shitting out the apple at Saliva.

[Monet X Change]

Yes.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Was a really wild. My old roommate put an apple in her ass and she Bob helped her do it. That's not true. And she shit the apple out on stage in front of everyone. And that was really wild. And I also really enjoyed seeing Crystal Something the whole. The house of. What were they called? Backspace. They weren't called House of the Island. I mean they're called Backspace led by Crystal something something. And they did this really, really cool rendition of Equinox by Skrillex where like they're at this birthday party and they have like balloons and they're moving in slow motion. And then when the song goes like dubstep on them, everything just explodes. And it's really. It was like confetti and balloons and like string going everywhere. And then it kind of. It was like kept going back between slow motion and fast over and over with that thing. I thought that was really a really cool performance. I also used to see this one performance where this performer used to fuck their ass with a bottle of Jim Beam. But they would drink from the bottle and they would stick the bottle in their ass and they would drink from it and then stick it in Their ass. And then at the very end of the performance, they reach into their ass and pull out a tiny little bottle of Jim Beam as if they've given birth to a little baby bottle of Jim Beam. I saw them do that. I can't remember who did that, but I saw them do it, like, twice.

[Monet X Change]

One of my. Another favorite, all performers of mine was Jasmine Rice. Remember when Jasmine Rice did Saliva Tuesdays? And then she shits out the condom. And then when she tries to pop it. And then snow. And the fucking snow went everywhere. I'm trying to find a picture to show the audiences. It was such a cool number, but everyone was gagged because she shits out this condom and she is filled with confection, sugar, whatever the fuck was in it. And then she just tasted it.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I remember tasting it.

[Monet X Change]

And then she rinsed with her mouth, but it exploded. So then it was just. It was like fucking Christmas. There was. It was, like, snowing inside the bar. And everyone was, like, both, like, gagging, but gagging because it was in her.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Oh.

[Monet X Change]

Because when she shit a little extra, there's a video of it. She shits out the condom. And after the condom drops a little extra, something comes out. I don't know if it was lube, if it was shit, but everyone sees it. And then everyone is sitting there like.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

And, yeah, it was. Something did hit the floor, and she said it was lube. That's so shame. She said it was lube. And I believe she was doing Lonely Old Woman. Yes, yes. And then when she. Oh, my God, she shits out this. This. It just looks like a white blob. Then when she bites it, somehow it explodes. I mean, exploded. It was. It must have been, like, loaded with air. I don't know how it was so explosive. But, yeah, confectioner sugar. And I was sitting way at the back of the bar. I don't remember where I was sitting. I don't remember where I was sitting. But I do remember tasting sugar and being like, Hill Bob. I mean, you have, like. I wasn't a willing participant in the tasting of the sugar.

[Monet X Change]

I'm trying to find the picture of it. Damn. I really want to show you guys. Anyway, I'll try to find it and so we can get on the screen so y' all can see. But it was a gaggy honey.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

But, yeah. I mean, I never really wanted to. Excuse me. Be like, an alternative queen, but I certainly dabbled in the makeup and maybe doing a wacky performance here and there, but nothing too wild.

[Monet X Change]

Yeah. But, yeah, I never wanted to be an alternative queen too, but I feel like because a lot of us, Bob and I would go to Saliva Tuesdays was an alternative night. There were all types of drag at Saliva Tuesdays. It was very alt. So by, you know, we were very alt adjacent. But I never fell into the alt category.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

That's where I met Aja. That's where I met.

[Monet X Change]

Remember when Aja used to. When she was Aja Injection and she would have syringes on all of her fingers.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I think I started doing it once or twice. I don't remember.

[Monet X Change]

I don't know.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I don't know. I didn't know that she did it all the time.

[Monet X Change]

Oh, it was a couple times, bitch. Cause she was. She was Aja Injection.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I do remember. I do remember when her name was Aja Injection. That's true. But I just lied. I did not meet Thorgy at Saliva. I met Thorgy at. I don't even remember the name of that club. It was on the east side. I don't. I literally can't even remember the name of it. But I do have a picture.

[Monet X Change]

Tower Town. No, not Tower. Was it the one where it was old?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

And I would say to you all that I will find the picture when I met Thorgy, but I know for a fact it's not gonna be on the screen. And I know for a fact that I'm never gonna find this picture. But I do remember the first night that I met Thorgy. I mean, year Thorgy again. Thorgy is my of current drag queen that I hang out with. She is my oldest drag friend, but I do remember me and Thorgy looking crazy as hell over at. What the. I cannot. I will never remember the name of this club on the east side, but Thor used to do this number where she. Oh my God. Bitch, I found it. Fucking picture.

[Monet X Change]

Let me see.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

You know how on Facebook friendships like you can't really.

[Monet X Change]

Oh, she's frozen.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

There's a picture right there. You can't really see it when I click it. It won't enlarge. It never loads when you click. See your friendship on Facebook. It's like it's a half and half whether or not you'll actually get to see your friendship.

[Monet X Change]

Your friendship.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

But yeah, if I can recover this picture from the Internet, from the deep, deep wares of the Internet, I will show you all. But yeah, that's the night that I met the. The infamous pain in my ass. Thorgy Thor.

[Monet X Change]

Thorjalin Thor.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

She's wild. She is wild.

[Monet X Change]

That's Your friend? That's your little friend?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

You know what? That is my friend. You're right. She's absolutely my friend. Oh, my God, we look so bad in this picture. This is so bad.

[Monet X Change]

My best friend, she a real bad bitch. Got her own money, she ain't working for no nigg.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

If you join us on the the Patreon, you too can see this picture of me and Thorgy from 12 years ago.

[Monet X Change]

Oh, my goodness. Oh, no. Wow, Thorgy looks so much smaller. You must have had on monster just upper heels and she had on flats. Cause she looked. You look so much taller than her.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Well, I used to wear hooker boots everywhere I went. What is this necklace? Why my phone? This is mama.

[Monet X Change]

Oh, my God. You had your fucking. You had your fucking wither whip with you?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Yep, I had the whip. This is early Bob the Drag Queen. It honestly might be more than 10 years ago. There's a chance that I re uploaded the picture because it is old. Old. That means 12 years ago. That's wild.

[Monet X Change]

12 years of shave, girl.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

All right, there's another one in the can. All right, Mary, do you have anything to say for yourself?

[Monet X Change]

I'm hungry and I can't wait to go to the bodega and get me a bacon, egg and cheese. I'm in New York City. I'm gonna get a bacon, egg and cheese on a croissant with cheddar cheese and a bag of chips.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Yesterday I had ribs and baked potato casserole.

[Monet X Change]

Oh, sounds good. And in fucking Missouri. Yum.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

In Mo. I just realized that her name is Mo and she's from Mo.

[Monet X Change]

Do you think she knew? Do you think she realized how she did it?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Probably. I mean, I assume so.

[Monet X Change]

Walking first. The Mo or the Mo?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

You know, my first time in Kansas City, I was at a bar called Millie B's or Missy B's or something like that.

[Monet X Change]

Missy B's? Yeah.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I have this interaction in the back where like, they didn't like me because I had my suitcase. And this guy was like, let me take your suitcase to your car for you. And I said, no, I'm good. I'll carry my own suitcase. And then he was like grabbing it. He was, no, no, no, please let me help you. I said, no, I really prefer to, you know, carry my own luggage. But thank you very much for the offer. I really appreciate it. I was out of drag and he kept like. I mean, he was like tugging, like, trying to get my luggage out of my hand. And then I just. I put my hand on his and I said, you know, I really feel like I'm not being unclear. I really don't want to be.

[Monet X Change]

This is such a Bob interaction.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

And then he was like, oh. And then everyone was like, bob got an attitude. And I was like. I really. I said several times. I said, no, thank you. I've got it. No, I'll do it. This is where I said, oh, no, thank you. I'll do it.

[Monet X Change]

No, let me.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I said, no, actually, I prefer. I preferred it to have my own luggage with me. And then. And then it was me saying, I really feel like I'm not being unclear. I would really. I would prefer you stop touching my luggage.

[Monet X Change]

Oh, my God, you're such a wild one.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Another one. I just mean it was right before your season, so Mo was like, I'm Monique heart. I'm gonna be on. Blah, blah, blah. I don't think she told me. She was kind of like. And the widow Von Du was there, and I think the widow's the only one who liked me. The widow. And I think maybe. Maybe Monique liked me. I can't remember. But everyone else was like, this bitch got an attitude problem. And I was like, I just. I just don't want this guy taking my. This stranger taking my suitcase. That's all. That's it. I just want to carry my own suitcase.

[Monet X Change]

I don't think I'm out of control.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Why is that so funny, guys?

[Monet X Change]

Every couple. Every now and then, you tell stories like this. I'm like, this is only a thing that would happen to Bob.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

What would you do? Would you just let him carry the suitcase?

[Monet X Change]

I would be like, oh, sure, take it.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I just don't want my shit getting fucked up or missing or stolen or something. I didn't know this guy. He didn't work at the bar. He was just one of the drag queen's friends. I was like, I don't know you.

[Monet X Change]

He's like, you know, I really don't feel like I'm being unclear.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

And I put my hand on his hand, hand on hand. And I really feel like I'm not being unclear. I prefer you. Please, please stop touching my bag.

[Monet X Change]

Oh, my God, you're so wild.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

That's not wild. That is. That is standard. That is setting boundaries. If setting boundaries is wild, then, bitch, I'm the wild thorn berries.

[Monet X Change]

All right, Rertha, we got another. And another one.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

All right, bye, everyone.

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