The One About Biopics

Summary

Sibling Rivalry Podcast: "The One About Biopics"

Hosts: Bob The Drag Queen & Monét X Change
Date: October 5, 2022

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Brief Overview

In this lively and sharp-witted episode, Bob and Monét take a comedic and thoughtful deep-dive into biopics—the art of telling real-life stories on screen and stage. The duo's signature banter touches on everything from the ethics of depicting trauma to dream biopics they’d love to see, while weaving in personal anecdotes and social commentary. Along the way, they discuss current true crime trends, the new Jeffrey Dahmer Netflix series, and the unique challenges of casting and creating musical biopics.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Head Injuries, Mall Cops, and Life’s Wild Rides

• The episode opens with playful ribbing about Monét’s possible undiagnosed concussion after a childhood car accident. The pair riff on symptoms, diagnoses, and their own brushes with head injuries.

  "Tell me why I'm so up in the head." — Monét (02:41)
  "Bitch, I was not concussed. Why are you trying to convince me I had a concussion?" — Bob (05:57)

• The duo segues (pun intended) into Monét’s fascination with mall cops, particularly those on Segways, leading to a discussion about mall culture, security, and adventures at the Mall of America.

  "The enigma of mall cops is just... they're interesting people to me." — Monét (06:12)

• A tangent into marveling at cruise ships, roller coasters at sea, and airplane engineering sees the hosts in awe of modern travel, sprinkled with exclamations and jokes.

  "These big heavy bitches [cruise ships] float on the sea and then have a theme park on that bitch." — Monét (10:23) "You sound high. You're like, these smart people made planes fly, and I just don't know what's going on." — Bob (12:12)

2. Planes, Trains, and (Relative) Safety

• A fact-checking segment—delivered with characteristic humor—explores which forms of travel are safest, landing on the consensus that planes are statistically safest, followed by trains, with cars and ships more dangerous.

  "A plane is the safest way to get around. Girl." — Bob (18:31)

• Monét floats the idea of buying a puddle jumper (small plane), only to be hilariously shot down by Bob due to the logistics and costs.

  "That is one of your looks. That's just one Bob the Drag Queen look." — Bob (19:29)

3. True Crime & Biopics: Ethics and Obsession

• The main theme launches with discussion about the new Jeffrey Dahmer Netflix series by Ryan Murphy and the wider cultural appetite for true crime. They analyze why people are drawn to serial killer stories, and the complicated feelings around dramatizing trauma, especially for marginalized communities and the families of victims.

  "There’s been some discourse about romanticizing trauma, specifically Jeffrey Dahmer..." — Bob (22:23) "You're making these people constantly relive the trauma and the death of their family members... So I do think there is something about giving these people say so." — Monét (24:21)

• Bob and Monét debate whether there’s a moral obligation for creators to seek family approval or compensation, noting the difference between commemorative, memorial storytelling and profit-driven content.

  "Legally speaking, you can tell whatever story you want... but I do think it would be right to reach out to these families." — Bob (27:33) "There should be some type of compensation given to these people for having to do that." — Monét (26:23)

• Broader parallels are drawn to other "re-traumatization," such as constant media coverage of Black deaths by police and 9/11 memorials.

  "That is a trauma that I constantly have to see." — Monét (27:09)

4. Biopic Storytelling: Who Gets to Tell What—and How?

• The legal and ethical boundaries of biopics are dissected, from the George W. Bush "W" film to Whitney Houston and Aretha Franklin movies. They ask: when is it okay to tell someone’s story, especially if they or their families object?

  "If you're a public figure, then where does that start and stop?" — Bob (32:07)

• Monét and Bob note how biopics often struggle with bias—either lionizing their subjects, sanitizing darker sides, or tiptoeing around taboo topics (e.g., Whitney Houston’s alleged queerness or Aretha Franklin’s diva reputation).

  "For it to be a good film, you have to be a little bit unbiased... tell the parts that weren't so great, and the parts that were great as well.” — Bob (40:36)

5. Biopics They Want to See

Monét’s Pick:

• Leontyne Price
  Monét champions a biopic about legendary opera singer Leontyne Price, discussing casting challenges—does the actor need to sing, or is superb lip-syncing enough?

  "I would love to see a Leontyne Price documentary biopic." — Monét (35:26)

Bob’s Pick:

• RuPaul
  Bob advocates for a RuPaul biopic, referencing the fascinating evolution from punk club-kid to international drag icon, and speculating about casting for supporting real-life characters.

  "I really want to see the RuPaul biopic. RuPaul's life is so interesting to me." — Bob (42:16)

• The dream cast includes Jay Harris (for RuPaul), Trixie Mattel (as Lady Bunny, if she can nail the voice), and Madonna (as Michelle Visage).

  "Madonna should play Michelle Visage." — Bob (42:44)

• They imagine how the film would end: with RuPaul’s Drag Race’s TV debut or the first Emmy win.

  "The last scene in the movie is them at the Emmys... Emmy for best host goes to RuPaul." — Monét (57:29)

6. Casting & Performance in Musical Biopics

• The hosts debate authenticity vs. artistry: should actors sing in musical biopics or lip-sync to original tracks? They review examples:

  • Angela Bassett (Tina Turner) – Great lip-sync
  • Jamie Foxx (Ray Charles) – Actually sang, perfectly
  • Jennifer Hudson (Aretha Franklin) – "Sounded great, but didn’t sound like Aretha” — Bob (40:17)

• They agree casting is tough—no one may be able to both look, act, and sound exactly like legends such as Price or Houston.

7. Other Noteworthy Tangents

• The podcast veers into music fandom, generational divides, and whether favorite artists ever need to make new music.

  "Alicia Keys is great... she doesn’t ever have to put pen to paper ever again." — Bob (49:16) "If Tina Turner tweeted I will never write another new song, I'd be like, work, sure." — Bob (50:41)

• Monét gripes about people policing SZA’s lyrics:

  "If I want to sing about being a side piece, that's my fucking business, ho!" — Monét (51:24)

8. TikTok Drama: Fans Picking Sides

• Bob cautions fans not to jump too quickly to defend internet personalities, referencing the Drew Afualo drama and past TikTok squabbles.

  "Do not go to bat for someone you don't know... it's never about who's right, it's about what's right." — Bob (53:46)

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Notable Quotes & Moments

• Monét: "Shout out to all our Rhode Islanders listening to this podcast. I see you and I love you and I'm happy that you're here." (47:25)
• Bob: "I'm a attractive. You know, Donald Trump's attractive, Barack Obama's attractive. Yeah." (22:06)
• Bob: "If you’re a public figure, then where does that start and stop?" (32:07)

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Important Segments & Timestamps

| Timestamp | Segment Summary | |-------------|----------------------------------------------------| | 02:41–03:57 | Monét's concussion story & symptoms riff | | 06:04–09:52 | Mall cops, Mall of America, cruise ships | | 15:10–18:43 | Risks: cars, planes, ships; “safest” travel debate | | 20:08–24:51 | Jeffrey Dahmer Netflix series: ethics, discourse | | 27:33–30:57 | Reliving trauma, legal rights, family consent | | 35:26–38:14 | Dream biopics: Leontyne Price | | 42:16–43:28 | Dream biopics: RuPaul, casting ideas | | 49:05–51:37 | Should beloved artists keep making music? | | 53:46–56:38 | TikTok drama: Drew Afualo, fan culture caution | | 57:02–58:16 | Rehashing podcast conversations, live show stories |

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Conclusion

This episode is a rich, funny, and nuanced conversation about the nature and ethics of biopics, why we're so drawn to true crime, and the difficulties in telling someone else’s story. Bob and Monét bring their trademark chemistry and sharp cultural insight, turning even their tangents into insightful commentary—and keeping the laughs coming throughout.

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For listeners who missed the episode:
You'll catch up on all the must-hear moments, spirited opinions, and classic Sibling Rivalry repartee—and perhaps think twice about whether that next biopic or Netflix binge might be more complicated than it seems.

Transcript

[Monet X James]

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[Bob the Drag Queen]

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[Bob the Drag Queen]

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[Bob the Drag Queen]

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[Monet X James]

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[Bob the Drag Queen]

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[Monet X James]

And I'm Monet X James and this is Sibling rivalry. On this week's episode, I diagnose Bob's concussion.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

We talk about biopics and we find

[Monet X James]

out what made Bob say this Head money directive.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I'm a attractive. You know, Donald Trump's attractive, Barack Obama's attractive. Yeah. And we found out what made Monet say this.

[Monet X James]

Shout out to all our Rhode Islanders listening to this podcast. I see you and I love you and I'm happy that you're here. Long story short, my biological dad, we got into accident that we like ran to like the side of like a Saint Lucia. They have like these like, not a mountain. Like when you down the road, there's like a little cliffy area. We like this like a mesa. What's a mesa?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

It's like a. It's like a mountain. But it's not a mountain.

[Monet X James]

Like Costa Mesa.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Like M E S A. It's not quite a plateau. Maybe I'm saying it wrong.

[Monet X James]

Like these things.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Yeah. Is it like that, like kind. Did I say it right?

[Monet X James]

Yes, Amesa, kinda. Anyway, so we hit that and then like the car like went into this side. He like drove off the road and like the, the window smashed against my head cuz I was on the passenger side. But I didn't get cut or anything. But it was like, I was like, oh my God. I thought like something happened to me. Did you go to hospital? No, we went straight to the house. Tell me why I'm so up in the head.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Oh, wow. I didn't know that we were going to take this. The podcast, going to take this turn today.

[Monet X James]

A turn. The one we find out that Monet has a severe concussion for 20 years.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I don't know if they can last 20 years. I know a concussion can last for a couple years.

[Monet X James]

I don't know how long. How long can a concussion last? Let's look at it.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I've never been concussed before. You know the time that lady met us in Canada and she was like, I have a concussion. And she was like, going through that. There was a lady, she came to our show and she was like, I probably shouldn't be here. I have a concussion. But I just had to come see you all.

[Monet X James]

I don't remember this, like, struggling through this concussion.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I remember this vividly.

[Researcher / Fact Checker]

It looks like the longest people can have concussion symptoms is three months.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Oh, I feel like it might last a year. Yeah, maybe I made that up.

[Monet X James]

Yeah, but. Yeah, but. Yeah. So have you ever. You have. You never had a concussion? You've never been an accident where you hurt yourself?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I've had a concussion.

[Monet X James]

Oh, wait, you just say you never had a concussion.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I said, I've never been in an accident where I hurt myself. Oh, I didn't say.

[Monet X James]

When you say you never had a concussion, what was your concussion?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I mean, I hit my head a couple. I hit my head a lot when

[Monet X James]

I was a kid on a lot of different things. How do you know you have a concussion, though?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Because the doctor said you have a concussion.

[Monet X James]

Oh, so.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Because the doctors go, you have a concussion, don't go to sleep when you get home tonight.

[Monet X James]

So you can, you can have a. So if you, you can hit your head really hard and not go to the doctor and flee, have a concussion.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Probably. Yeah.

[Monet X James]

Well, that's. When you, when you had jammed your. When you rented in the door Todrick's house, I was like, girl, you should not go to the hospital. You might have a concussion. You're like, no, I'll be fine.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Well, I didn't have a concussion.

[Monet X James]

How you know you didn't?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Because I didn't feel like I had a concussion. I mean, how do you know when you don't have a concussion?

[Monet X James]

Right, But I'm, I'm not saying that I didn't, though. I said, I may have. I just go to the doctor. But what, what, what are the symptoms of a concussion that you know you didn't have one?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Well, you get really dizzy. You're easily Confused. And you're very sleepy.

[Monet X James]

You were very sleepy when you talked to me.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

It was also two in the morning

[Monet X James]

and you were confused. So you had two out of the three.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I was not confused, Bob.

[Monet X James]

You called me.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

You were like, you're like.

[Monet X James]

I was just like. I think I was like, I was running to the door and I just.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

And like, why don't you tell me my experience? But I wasn't confused. It was late because it was like two in the morning when I called you. I was like, girl, I just. I was like, I think I need to go to the dentist because I have to leave town in the morning and. And I don't want to go to the dentist right now. I don't want to go to a 24 hour dentist because I don't know them. I don't trust them. I'd rather wait until I go to New York City to meet my dentist. But I wasn't confused. But I was sleepy because it was

[Monet X James]

2am you sounded a bit kerfuffled to me when you spoke to me on the phone. And I was like, well, make sure you tell David. Make sure you tell Jacob, blah, blah, blah, blah. And then when I called Jacob, Jacob call me for some reason the next day, I was like, did Bob say what happened? And then something I told you to tell Jacob and you didn't. And Jake was like, what? What are you talking about? It was something that I don't remember. Something I told you to tell Jacob that you didn't tell Jacob. And I was like, why didn't he tell you this? Jake was like, I don't know. Let me, let me, let me try to get in touch with Caldwell.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Probably because it was 2am and I was trying to figure out if I was going to go to the dentist. I was looking up dentists all night long, looking at their reviews online, being like, ugh, I don't want to go to one of these random 24 hour

[Monet X James]

DNS that I don't know.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Bitch, I wasn't concussed. Why are you trying to convince me I had a. I had a concussion? This has been like almost a year now. You still trying to convince me the

[Monet X James]

world may never know I just saw a mall cop. I'm obsessed with mall cops. I'm obsessed with their jobs. I love to see them.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

What do you mean you're obsessed?

[Monet X James]

Like seeing mall cops in the Segways? Because in Brooklyn there's a mall called Kings Plaza. They used to be really terrible growing up. And I think it's Gotten a lot better. They've really done some improvements to Kings Plaza. But the mall cops in King Esposit, they were just notoriously just bad at their jobs and they would not. You would tell something happened and they'll maybe because we were just annoying kids also. But mall. The. The enigma of mall cops is just. They're just very. They're interesting people to me.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

What's the. How is it and how is it an enigma? Because sometimes, like, there's mystery around mall cops.

[Monet X James]

Because. Yeah, because some mall cops allegedly, sometimes, like every mall has them. How often do you go to a mall and you see a mall cop?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I mean, they're secured at every. I've seen it secured at every mall I've ever been to.

[Monet X James]

But it's. But the traditional Segway one that's like, that's like patrolling all the time. Have you seen a movie? Paul Blart, Mall Cops?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

No, but I mean, there have been. There's been mall security longer than there's been segues. So I've seen. I've seen a lot of security at

[Monet X James]

malls before for sure, but not a traditional. It's a mall a movie correlation that you wouldn't get if you, you never seen Paul Blart.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I mean, I know what it's about. I've seen the ads and I know about the segue and stuff. So are you saying specifically you just on Segways?

[Monet X James]

Yeah, like that. Like that. Traditional.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Is that. How is that traditional? Because in a movie, I think traditionally speaking, they're not on Segways.

[Monet X James]

In big malls, they typically are. Because you can't expect these niggas to be running around like this mall. There's no way we're sitting. I mean, by the time y' all see this doesn't matter. We're sitting looking right out on the Lenox Square mall in Buckhead in Atlanta. And this is a big ass. I went there yesterday. Yesterday, it was so good.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

The security, they don't do the entire mall. So you'll have like a security guard who does Bloomingdale's and Macy's.

[Monet X James]

Right, right, right, right, right. Yeah. But I'm saying this is still a big ass mall. You think that they. Of course, there's no way they have one cop for this entire mall.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

There's also golf carts as well.

[Monet X James]

A to like the amount of crime that would happen. Like, in theory, how could one person handle all that? But I went there last night and also this mall closed so early. I was like, how? I got there at 7:30 and the mall was closing down. I was like, bitch, it's a Friday night. How is the mall closing so early?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Well, I guess people don't party at the mall, but at 9 o'. Clock.

[Monet X James]

9 o' clock is like a standard time for the mall to close. By 7:30 the gates were down. Everything was closing. I was like, this is crazy.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Well, not Lennox Square.

[Monet X James]

I see. I was like, this is a wild time for a mall. Have you been to Mall of America?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Oh yeah, I've been to Mall America several times.

[Monet X James]

I've never been. I want to go.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

It's really big. There's probably like nine Starbucks in the mall alone.

[Monet X James]

That's crazy.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

And I used to live in, I used to live in the Twin Cities. So, you know, back when I was living there, it was called Camp Snoopy with the. The theme park in the mall was called Camp Snoopy, but now it's called the park at Mall of America.

[Monet X James]

When I say the theme park, are there, is it more than like, are there multiple rides? Oh yeah, just one roller coaster.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

No, no. Where you, where you go to the, to the food court. There is a, there's a theme park in the food court. It's not massive, but I mean it's in a mall, but it is, it is definitely a small theme park in the mall. But I don't think they're with peanuts anymore. So now they're just. So now it's just called the park at Mall of America. They took down all the peanut stuff.

[Monet X James]

Well, people gag. I bet that there's a theme park. I mean coming from the east coast, like we, we just don't have malls that big. But that's not that gaggy. You think of cruise ships have, have roller coasters. There are roller coasters on, on, on cruise ships. There are these big ass like cruise ships can do.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Cruise ships are crazy now. Most cruise ship buildings don't have roller coasters on them.

[Monet X James]

I'm not, I know that, I'm just saying. But they are cruise ships that have roller coasters on it. So that's not crazy that a land dwelling place like a mall has a reservoir theme park in it, you know?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Well, I mean, I guess in theory, I mean just. I think it is still gaggy because there's very few malls that have theme parks in them. There's probably only like 2 in the whole world. So that is actually, I don't think it's gaggy. Even though there's like barely any mall have you ever been to.

[Monet X James]

But it's not.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Have you Ever been to a mall with anybody?

[Monet X James]

But it's not about there not being lots of malls. It's on land, and we see there are many theme parks in the world. So to me, it's craziest to conceptualize a floating city like a ship having a theme park on it. To me, that's. I'm like, oh, my God, that's crazy. When you hear a mall, I'm like, work, that's cool. But a boat, literally. Because to me, boats and planes still, I'm like, the way that we got science, smart people figured it out for things. For these big chunks of metal to fly through the sky through aerodynamics, and these big heavy bitches to float on the sea and then to have a theme park on that bitch. What would be crazy? Imagine an airplane that has some type of theme park thing on it. That would be crazy. A roller coaster on an airplane in some capacity.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Probably not.

[Monet X James]

But if there's some type of theme park roller coaster, something on a plane, that is going to change the game. Probably a space station. You could have it on a space station. Like you think of Xenon, the Zequil or something. But a plane with a roller coaster on it?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Well, thank God we're gonna get it. Did you take an animal first before this fucking podcast? You're like, I just can't even. Just imagine, like, how do they get a roller coaster on a cruise ship? This is great. Like, they've had this technology for like 60 years. I know. And it's crazy. A roller coaster on a roller coaster for 60 years.

[Monet X James]

Since the 50s, they're having roller coasters on planes. 60s? No way.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

There's no roller coaster.

[Monet X James]

I mean. I mean, on ships, there's not funny there.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

There. You act like there's a lot of roller coasters. I'm not saying that.

[Monet X James]

I'm just saying that it exists that there's a roller coaster on it on a cruise ship. To me, that's wild. That's crazy. I mean,

[Bob the Drag Queen]

you just sound high. You sound like you're a fucked up. You sound like. You're like. And these smart people made planes fly, and I just don't know what's going on.

[Researcher / Fact Checker]

The first cruise ship with a roller Coaster premiered in 2021.

[Monet X James]

Yeah, see that? So that is relatively new, but so the technology for a roller coaster to be on a boat is not 50 years old. Bitch, that is new.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I said they have a cruise ship. 50 years. You're like, they made these big fucking.

[Monet X James]

I'm pretty sure it's a roller coaster.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

No, they made these big bitches of boats float in the.

[Monet X James]

Anytime I get on a plane, I'm like, this is crazy. Especially those. Especially like, you know, in Virgin. Not just Virgin. Many airlines have them now. I think those like double decker planes. This is like a lot of metal to be just floating in the sky. That shit is wild. Aerodynamics is fucking crazy. I live.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

You sound like you are.

[Monet X James]

Comment below. Comment below. If you think that airplanes are like, that is. Then you have this huge chunk of metal plus what those double decker planes, 300 plus people on it and plus all of our luggages. If everyone is allotted. Guess they're allotted one piece of luggage of 50 pounds. But that is a lot of weight to be flying in the air and then to be. And then for there to be less accidents with airplanes than cars. There are more, more people driving with cars. Yeah. So that makes sense.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Yeah. The planes don't really cross each other's paths at all.

[Monet X James]

Yeah.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

You don't have to wait for another plane to be like.

[Monet X James]

But like any like accidents, like, I don't know, who fucking knows what could happen in the air. But yeah, I think airplanes. That shit is fucking wild. Every time my shit goes up and touches down, I'm like, thank you, Lord. Who knows what can happen to this bitch. I'm in line.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Well, that's after. When I'm in a car. Whenever I'm in a car, I was like, this is dangerous. I was getting the car. I think to myself, you're on the. When you're on the road, you're basically just, yeah, you know what? Let's talk about after the break.

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[Bob the Drag Queen]

Whenever I'm in a car, I just think to myself, you really are in this car. And you're just under the understanding that everyone around you is gonna follow the rules, knows the rules, is capable of following the rules. No one's gonna have a seizure. No one's gonna have a stroke. No one's gonna fall asleep. You're just hoping that no one is just, like, dangerous or want or have malicious intent. You're just assuming, even not just when you're in your car, but when you're, like, crossing the street, you're just assuming that person's not going to run you over.

[Monet X James]

There's a little crosswalk down there. I agree with that, too. The only thing that feels relatively safe and like. And is relatively accident proof is a train. The train is on a track. A train. It takes a lot for a train to jump off a track and just go rogue like that.

[Researcher / Fact Checker]

They do, though.

[Monet X James]

They do. Of course. I'm not saying they don't, but you rarely have a train to jump on the tracks and just, like, doing its own thing. And also once it gets on the tracks, once not doing its own thing,

[Bob the Drag Queen]

like, the train is like, I want to go to. I know I said I'm going to the Bronx, but I want to go to Yonkers.

[Monet X James]

You know what I'm saying? Like, they can't do that. So. And once a train gets off the track and it loses momentum, like, that's it. It's done. You know what I mean? A car can just fucking.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Oh, no. If a train gets off the track, it's more than just losing momentum, girl. It is like, it is dangerous. Like, when trains jump the track, it's not just like, it starts slowing down.

[Monet X James]

It is. Yeah, but j.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Can you look at what's more common, train accidents or plane accidents? I do wonder.

[Monet X James]

I would say. What would you guess? I would say.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I'm gonna guess that it's. I'm gonna say planes, because I hear more about plane accidents.

[Monet X James]

I'm gonna say plane. Yeah.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Although I do hear about you. I remember, and I think. I think in. In Philly, a couple of years ago, maybe like, six.

[Monet X James]

Yeah, I remember this.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Eight years ago, a train jumped the tracks in Philly, and it was very devastating. Like, a lot of people passed away.

[Monet X James]

So trains. Trains seem the most, like, the most reliable. The most. You know, it's planes.

[Researcher / Fact Checker]

Planes is safer. But the other thing about trains. Well, because here's the thing about trains. Trains, like, we don't hear about a lot of like trains derailing. Because trains derail very rarely. But there's still a lot of other train accidents that can, like, cause people because people aren't really wearing seatbelts. They're walking around. So, like, if a train stops or has something else, it can still hurt people, even though it's not, like, as grand as, like, derailing, which we would see in the news. So train accidents.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

So planes are the safest way to travel.

[Monet X James]

Can you look up planes versus ships? I'm curious on that, too. We know cars are the least. Cars, bitch. Cars. Every time you get in a car, you should ask God.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I think cars are the second biggest killer of people in America behind.

[Monet X James]

Behind guns.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Heart disease.

[Monet X James]

Heart disease. That is right.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Heart disease is the most dangerous thing in America.

[Monet X James]

That is true. Star Jones talks about it every time because she experienced her heart.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

She had a heart attack.

[Monet X James]

She had some type of heart disease care, and she has her red rose foundation. Everything because of heart disease. She talks about every time. I'm going to be on.

[Researcher / Fact Checker]

So what's your question? How many people die in ship?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

What's more dangerous? Planes or ships?

[Monet X James]

Yeah, planes or ships.

[Researcher / Fact Checker]

Ships are more dangerous, but also, like, what? I guess the ships are such a wide variety of things. Like, are we talking about cruise ships? Are we talking about, like, people in tiny sailboats?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I guess just ships in general. And I guess you're right. Yeah. Ships are just going to be more dangerous than planes are. Planes are the safest way to get

[Monet X James]

around to say a plane is the safest way to get around. Girl. A plan is if you were trying to travel a plane is the safest way to get to where you want to go. Should we. Should we buy. Should we buy a plane?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

No, I don't have that kind of money.

[Monet X James]

No, I'm not talking about a car. I'm talking about. Let's get a little dinghy hopper. The thing that you go from.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

How much are those?

[Monet X James]

Like $300.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Okay, that's not true.

[Monet X James]

The little propeller, the little shit that

[Bob the Drag Queen]

lands on the puddle. They're called puddle jumpers.

[Monet X James]

Puddle jumper. There we go.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Yeah. And no, I'm not interested. It seems one. It seems very expensive, and it seems like. And it seems like a lot to maintain as well. So I don't think I want to. And also, like, who's gonna fly it? You have to hire a pilot.

[Monet X James]

We can get our license.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I cannot get a pilot license. I'm colorblind. If you're colorblind, you cannot get a. You cannot get a license to be A pilot?

[Monet X James]

Really?

[Researcher / Fact Checker]

Yeah, it is a little paddle jumper costs about 8,000 to $12,000.

[Monet X James]

Oh, well, that bitch.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

That is one of your looks. That's just one bother. Drag queen look. Cutting. Mind your business. Don't quit my business on Front Street. Do not quit mine. That's one of your little bracelets. That's what you got a puddle jumper on right now. You got a puddle jumper right here.

[Monet X James]

Honey, that's just one little Phoenix wing. Honey, that's just one little phoenix wing. Daddy. Come on, get it all for him.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Get out of here. Get out of here. You're ridiculous. I want to actually. Okay, I know we have a topic plan, but I want to ask you about something. There's been a lot of discourse online about the Jeffrey Dahmer bio series.

[Monet X James]

Yeah.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

On Netflix. Ryan Murphy and Evan Peters.

[Monet X James]

And Evan Peters, he's the guy who always plays on Ryan Murphy's films.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

He's like the youngish looking guy. He's like. He's not young.

[Monet X James]

Blonde kid.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Yeah. Actually, how old is he?

[Researcher / Fact Checker]

He was Quicksilver in the X Men movies.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Evan Peters.

[Monet X James]

Yeah, yeah, I know who he is.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

He's probably my age. I think he's older than me. He's a little bit younger than me. Evan Peters and Niecy Nash.

[Monet X James]

Evan Peters plays Jeffrey Dahmer.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Evan Peters plays Jeffrey Dahme.

[Monet X James]

He's such a diverse actor. He is his cope. He is his range of actors. He is work. Evan Peters.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Well, basically, I mean, Ryan Murphy basically has like a repertory theater basically at this point where you where it's pretty much often very similar key actors who are just always playing different roles. And once you land in the Evan Peters Repertory Theater. Evan Peters, Ryan Murphy Repertory Theater, you just end up playing like you just use Dominique Jackson in American Horror Story and maybe you know, Eureka is in the.

[Monet X James]

She is. She was in the psycho one.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

She was on the Fire island one.

[Monet X James]

Fire Island, Yeah, the one that they did.

[Researcher / Fact Checker]

It was American Horror Stories and it

[Bob the Drag Queen]

was not Fire island, it was P Town.

[Monet X James]

P Town.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

P Town, Yeah.

[Monet X James]

She was in Horror stories.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

She's in the Ryan Murphy series.

[Monet X James]

Multiverse of Madness.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

The Multiverse of Ryan Murphy. But there's been a lot of discourse online saying that. Well, there's a lot of people who are like, they don't like that people have an obsession with serial killers and true crime and they think that the victims families should be getting paid to tell their stories. And they're also. There's a lot of. Cause, you know, Jeffrey Dahmer primarily killed people of Color. And some of them were underaged as well. And I think also because Evan Peters is attractive and Jeffrey Dahmer is attractive,

[Monet X James]

a lot of people say, well, it's all.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

It's all. It's all, you know, objective. So in theory. Objective, yes, it's all objective. So in theory, everyone's attractive. You know what I mean? Ted Bundy's attractive. I'm attractive. You know, Donald Trump's attractive. Barack Obama's attractive.

[Monet X James]

Yeah.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

And they're all not attractive. You know what I mean? But there's been, like, some discourse about, like, romanticizing trauma, pornography. Not traumatic. Specifically Jeffrey Dahmer. Specifically Jeffrey Dahmer and what he did. How some folks. There's a lot of people being like, boycott this film. Do not watch this film.

[Monet X James]

The series.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

The series. Yeah. Do not watch these films. We need to, like, get this. Because there's been a lot of Jeffrey Dahmer. This is like, I think the third Jeffrey Dahmer series. Is it. There have been, like, five documentaries. There was an old. There's an old movie called My Friend Jeffrey, but it was, like, focusing on, I think, Jeffrey as a younger person. And it was told through the eyes of someone who knew Jeffrey Dahmer. And part of me also wonders, like, I feel like all the discourse around.

[Monet X James]

Wait, what's your question? You're saying I want to ask you something?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Oh, I mean, I guess I just want to know your thoughts on whether or not we should be watching this film. Is it bad to watch the film?

[Monet X James]

I don't think it's bad to watch this film. We all know this. I see it a lot, too. True crime podcasts and true crime documentaries, they are big sales. A lot of people listen to them daily. You listen to a lot of true crimes. No, not you.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Patty.

[Monet X James]

Patty loves. Every time I go, Patty listens. Patty might be trying to plot something on me going, I need to be careful.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Happy birthday, Patty.

[Monet X James]

Oh, happy birthday, my little Patty. But not just Patty. A lot of people consume true crime in its different avenues.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

October 1st, by the way, y' all are too late. Don't go wishing.

[Monet X James]

I mean, but still, you know what? If you see this now, you're late. Go send Patty.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

You're fake and you're late. And if you say have birthday now, you're fake. And you only send because we said at birthday, your fake ass.

[Monet X James]

And Patty loves nudes. If you said Patty nudes, he will

[Bob the Drag Queen]

love them and send those. But it's not a birthday nude with your fake ass. It's just a regular nude. With your fake ass.

[Monet X James]

Yeah. So people love to consume.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

That name is so messy.

[Monet X James]

People love to consume.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Cause his last name was Minor.

[Monet X James]

Speaking of Jeffrey Dahmer, people. Well, illegal Minor. Anyway, what were we talking about?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Whether. Yes.

[Monet X James]

People listening on Twitter stuff. And as it goes to the victim's family. I think. I do think when these things come out like you are, you're kind of. You're making these people constantly relive the trauma and the death of their family members. And to me, that sounds really shitty. That sucks. God feels something. What's happened to you? Or like my family and stuff to always seeing the news. It would really upset me, like, if I had to reel that all the time. So I do think there is something about giving these people say so.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

But then

[Monet X James]

it is. It is in the public sphere. So people can report and talk about it how they want to. Like you don't have to get approval from these people. But to me, that would suck to relive that over every couple of years, every couple of months, every couple of weeks, there's some new story like that. To me, that sounds a little egregious. Like, I'm. Like, it sounds a little sickening to me. I would hate that, I guess.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

And I think too, what about people who are reliving trauma that didn't involve violence, but because maybe their parent or their relative or their loved one or, you know, actually think of it this way, like as, you know, this. I don't know. I don't know if you know anyone who was affected. Did you live in America during 9 11?

[Monet X James]

Yeah, I was. Which I was in security.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Do you know anyone who Was affected by 9 11?

[Monet X James]

I had a friend in high school, but by the time I met, it was high school, so.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

So like every year someone this. Every September 11th. Yeah, people have to relive this. This thing because it's memorialized, it's commemorated and it's, you know, it's done through a lens of remembering and, you know, memorializing. But you do have to relive it every. Every single year you have to relive it.

[Monet X James]

But then when people. And again, I've never experienced close stuff like that, so I don't understand. So I can't relate exactly. But when people are putting out these documentaries and these things, they're. They're getting a. They're. They're gaining fiscally from it, right? Like they're getting. Whoever. Ryan Murphy, who Netflix, whoever's.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

They all got paid.

[Monet X James]

They're getting money. So then you need to allocate some of those funds to me, to the families of. Well, to the families of these people who are reliving this every time as well. Like you're making millions, tens of millions of dollars. I don't know. But there should be some type of compensation given to these people for having to do that, to do this. And also talking about reliving trauma. I mean, black people, every couple weeks in this country, we are seeing another black person shot and killed by the cops. And yes, we're not directly affected by it as cause it's not our brother, sister, cousin, niece, but it's someone's. And to see that, to see you being brutalized in some viral video on TikTok. Not on TikTok, on Twitter or Reddit or whatever.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Well, it's all on TikTok too. The posts are all over all social media.

[Monet X James]

To see that, to me, that is a trauma that I constantly have to see. And 2020, really, because we were all stuck at home. We all were like, really just were focused in on it that you and I talked about it on the podcast too. It sucks to have to see that all the time. So I could only imagine that being magnified by being your loved one or your son or your daughter or your niece or whoever it is, you know?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Yeah.

[Monet X James]

I think, you know what I was

[Bob the Drag Queen]

thinking about, it was like, obviously, everyone, it's like you said, you have a right to tell stories. You can tell stories. There's no legal, like, legally speaking, you can tell whatever story you want to tell within legal reasoning. You know what I mean? And I do think that it would. It would be a right thing to reach out to these families. Apparently, families were not reached out to.

[Monet X James]

And really.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

And a lot of the people who are there are moments in the film that are literally recreated from courtroom moments that were filmed for television.

[Monet X James]

So people are killing people's moms and dads.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

People are doing verbatim, word for word recreations of people's emotional responses to confronting Jeffrey Dahmer. There's specifically one very famous scene where this one lady, like, just like, really got very upset. She tried to attack Jeffrey Dahmer and then the cops had to stop her. And she went up to the lectern, the podium, and she started off composed, but then Jeffrey just wasn't looking at her. He was looking straight ahead. And then she just, like, just snapped and just started like going crazy. And that's the scene that's going viral because people are putting them literally side by side. And it is literally verbatim. She's wearing the same clothes, she's wearing the same hairstyle, she's saying the exact same words. She had the same inflection. They even hired actor who looks like almost exactly like her or they made her look like her in the film. I mean, literally, she's wearing a shirt that's 100% black. Like everything, they recreated every single thing this woman is wearing, saying, and doing in this courtroom. And I can only imagine how upsetting that must be. But then it also offers a wider scope to look at the true crime genre in general. Like, you know, I think it usually takes something really big happening for people to be like, oh, now we need to look at this whole thing at large. I think you kind of like the biggest growing, like, podcast genre that there is out there. And then I guess the question is, obviously they have a legal right to tell these stories, but then the question is, is it morally okay to tell these stories?

[Monet X James]

I mean, and the truth is, I don't think we'll see change until, until the law has changed. Right? Because. Because we're going to. People are going to have this conversation and this, and this discourse about it, but if legally these people can still sell it, people are still going to consume it because like you said. I know. So, I mean, I don't get into true crime podcasts. I, I don't find it calming. I don't find it interesting. I find it like, I get really, like, grossed off by it. I'm like, oh, God, it sounds.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I don't gotta take a break.

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[Monet X James]

And now we're back. Yeah, I don't, I don't. I'm in your square a little bit. Oh, no, we don't have squares. I, I don't, I don't enjoy true crime podcasts, but doesn't mean that if you do go off. But until there's like, legal change, it's not gonna.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Well, what is the legal recourse for. Because you can't like, for, you know, there was an issue when the movie W. I don't know if anyone. It was a very short little film. It was called W was George W. Bush's Story. And it was. It was. It was a movie. It was like, oh, my God, like, 2,000. Like, I want to say six, maybe five. Can you look it up? Maybe. I think it was. It was called W, and it was George Bush's story. George Bush Jr. S story. And he was very annoyed with how he.

[Researcher / Fact Checker]

2008.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

2008. He was very annoyed with how he was depicted. And then they were like, well, we have every right to tell your story. Like, we don't have. They were like, we don't have to consult you. We don't have to. We don't need your permission to tell your story. And he had no legal recourse. But then there are instances where people. And maybe it's like, if you're a public figure, like, then where does public figure start and where does it stop?

[Monet X James]

Yeah.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Like, is it. Okay. Is it legal to just go and tell other people's stories?

[Monet X James]

I mean, Whitney, the new Whitney Houston movie. Or maybe not this one. The one before. No, it is this one. I think Cissy Houston was not down for it, and she was really upset that the film got made. But I guess you can't stop someone. Like, someone. In theory, I think someone can just decide they want to make the Bob the Dragon movie and do whatever and say. And say whatever they want about you. And then people will start to believe those narratives to be true, albeit not.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

And I guess the question is, because I'm a public figure, anyone is allowed to. Don't get no ideas. Anyone's allowed to just go and tell my story.

[Monet X James]

Your story, though, or use.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Or use my likeness to tell a story that is similar to mine.

[Monet X James]

Or not. They can say, whatever Bob the Dragon was, Jeffrey Dahmer, Part two, Bob killed all these people. You know what I mean? Then becomes a fictional story, but a story nonetheless that people may believe is true about you.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

But then again, it is also, I think about this notion that maybe it is, like, not maybe it is. I can guarantee it almost certainly is traumatizing for Cissy Houston to have to relive her daughter's death. I mean, every. Not. Not even every year. Every couple of times a year.

[Monet X James]

Yeah.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

You know, someone's gonna bring up Whitney Houston. Whitney Houston and Whitney Houston.

[Monet X James]

Yeah.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

And, you know, one. Having. Watching. Being alive while your child. While your child is dead is. Is not completely rare, but it's not. But it's. But it usually doesn't happen that way.

[Monet X James]

Yeah.

[Researcher / Fact Checker]

You know what I mean?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

And then having your child be extremely famous and extremely controversial and having. Basically, whenever they talk about your child, they're going to be discussing her drug

[Monet X James]

use, allegedly being a lesbian.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Her. Her queerness.

[Monet X James]

Her.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

You know, I guess we should also say alleged drug use. Alleged drug use, queerness, all this stuff. I don't even know if they're going to discuss the queerness.

[Monet X James]

They do.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

They tip around the queerness all the time.

[Monet X James]

But this one specifically, I think why Sissy's so upset about it is because this one specifically, they show that there was definitely allegedly some type of relationship between her and Robyn that was beyond friends. That was, you know.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

But also, is it important to tell that story?

[Monet X James]

Is it important to who, though? To Sissy? It's not. I mean, Whitney's queer fans. Yes.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Is it important to Robin?

[Monet X James]

Right.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

You know what I mean? Is it important to Whitney Houston's friends

[Monet X James]

and family is that the only person who could say it's if they wanted that to come out about them would be Whitney Houston? But we do not have. She's no longer.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

But it's also not just Whitney.

[Monet X James]

Oh, right. Robyn, too.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

It's not a story.

[Monet X James]

But then since Whitney's not here, who knows if Robyn's telling the truth? Sissy's like, that is not true. And Robin's like, it is. So it's like, the only person who can. The other missing piece of the puzzle to let us know that it was in fact true or not is Whitney Houston.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

There's probably other people as well. I mean, there's more than just me and Jacob who can verify our relationship. You can verify our relationship.

[Monet X James]

I've never seen it all together anyway.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

There's probably people out there who can verify. I guess this is the episode about telling people stories. Is there any story that you want to tell or any biopic that you want to see?

[Monet X James]

Biopics. I want to see. Ooh, I would love to see a Leontine Price documentary biopic.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Leontine Price is a famous opera singer.

[Monet X James]

Yes.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Who kind of looks like Arcia, maybe. Arcia just was just giving off Leontine Price energy. At the last, she was at the Philly show, and she was just walking around looking like a famous opera singer. She was, like, wearing this, like, shawl, and her hair was up in, like, a updo, and she was like, her chin was like this. And she was like, she doesn't look like Leontine Price, but she was giving off, like, I am a famous opera singer energy.

[Monet X James]

We have our serious podcast. So Arcia, really, really quick story. Arcia. Arcia was got invited to this Instagram influencer thing. You have to know Arcia dejaan will find this very funny. Arcia is very funny. Marcia is so crazy with all, like, her own social media stuff. And then she does this, like. Cause Arcia has 3,000 followers. So she goes later on Instagram and she does this, like, whole story, like, you know what, guys? You know what I mean? I just didn't think that I was even belonging to space. And to see just someone like me who was my. She's just very artsy. I love artsy so much.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I don't know how great that story

[Monet X James]

was, but it wasn't because Arcia just gets wrapped up in her own social media stuff and, like, her insecurities about her branding. And then so she feels she. I want to congratulate her on being very validated.

[Researcher / Fact Checker]

Yeah.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Because it sounded like you were making fun of her again. Me and Arc. Me and Arcia, we gather Monet. Oh, we get together. We. Gather. Oh, Me and Arcia be gathering.

[Researcher / Fact Checker]

Oh.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Arcia can for Arcia go online right now. Go to Arcia's page right now. You will see me and Arcea be gathering Monet. Anyway, me and Arcia both acknowledged that Monet has this thing when she's around her friends who are, like, really talented. She gets intimidated by us. So she, like, wants to try to read us a lot. It happens a lot. Arcia knows me and.

[Monet X James]

Anyways, I would love to see a Leontine Prize biopic. I feel like a lot of people

[Bob the Drag Queen]

who's gonna play her and do they have to save. They have to.

[Monet X James]

I mean.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Okay, okay, hold on, hold on. Say your piece. Gotta be so aggressive to me.

[Monet X James]

I came into balls room this morning. Sweet, y'. All.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Nigga, don't touch me. Tell your piece.

[Monet X James]

I don't think she has to sing because there's only. There have been a few times where it's worked. Angela Bassett and what's Love Got to Do did not sing. But if you. If I did not know, I would think this bitch was singing. So I agree. Maybe the person that doesn't have to sing, they have to be a excellent lip syncer and someone who can really. That means that they need to go. Cause Angela Bassett went through training. She, like, had, like, less. She, like, had the thing so that she looked like a singer. That a person has to have opera training so that they look like they actually sing in these arias or these roles. But who was playing Leontine Price.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

So I want to talk about my part, my thoughts about who should. If people should be singing. I also don't think that you have to be able to sing either, especially specifically when someone has a really iconic voice. I don't want to see an interpreter. I don't want to see you do a bad take on it. I want to hear the voice. Like this new Whitney Houston movie. If this woman would have been singing, it wouldn't have been as good because it's Whitney Houston's voice. You know what I mean? With Tina Turner, her voice is so specific. I want to hear Tina Turner's voice. Same with the Freddie Mercury documentary. He was lip syncing. The only one who was not lip syncing, to my knowledge, was Jamie Foxx. But Jamie Foxx was doing. Was doing a spot on Rachel. I mean, he sounded like Ray Charles. It was like, this nigga sounds exactly like Ray Charles.

[Monet X James]

I would agree.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

So unless you're going to sound like Leanne's in Price, and who is going to be able to act, look, and sound like Leontine Price?

[Monet X James]

Yeah.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

So I. I don't.

[Monet X James]

Judy. Oh, with Renee Zellweger.

[Researcher / Fact Checker]

Because she's saying, yeah, she did all her own singing in that.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Renee Zellberg actually sang it.

[Monet X James]

Well, she sounded great.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Renee Zellweger.

[Monet X James]

I thought Judy was a great friend. I didn't see Judy. You didn't see Judy?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I didn't see Judy.

[Monet X James]

Oh, I thought Judy was a great friend. I thought that Renee.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

You never seen the wizard of Oz, but you seen Judy?

[Monet X James]

Because the Judy movie was so good. I mean, it was really good.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Did she win an Oscar that year?

[Monet X James]

She did. She did. Renee Zellweger turned that out. I don't know who's playing Leontine in the documentary. It'll probably be an unknown. I can't think of a main. Of an artist.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Niecy Nash.

[Monet X James]

No. Although she looks like Vera, though.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Niecy Nash is a brilliant actor.

[Monet X James]

No one says she's not. I just. I'm just trying to think Leontine and I guess Niecy. Niecy kind of looks like Leontine Price, now that I think about it.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

That's why I said Niecy Nash.

[Monet X James]

Do you know what. You know what Leontine Price looks like? Yeah. Work. Oh, Aretha Franklin with her little head wrap. Yeah, Judy.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Her little head wrap.

[Monet X James]

Jennifer Hudson sang Aretha. I think Jennifer Hudson sounded great, but

[Bob the Drag Queen]

she didn't sound like. But honestly, my issue was she didn't sound like Aretha. It just sounded like Jennifer Hudson singing Aretha Franklin songs. When I was watching it, I was like, this don't sound like Aretha Franklin.

[Monet X James]

And did that take away from the movie for you?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

For me, I mean, I did not think Aretha was a great movie.

[Monet X James]

I thought it was a good movie.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

It also was a very biased depiction of Aretha Franklin. Like, I want to know. Like, I want to be able to someone tell a story, but you have to be a little bit unbiased. You have to be able to tell the parts that weren't so great and the parts that were great as well, of the person, in my opinion, for it to be a good. For it to be a really good film.

[Monet X James]

I mean, I don't know much about Aretha Franklin, but they talk about her drug use, about her, about her intrigue.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Well, Aretha Franklin allegedly had a lot of diva moments in life, but in the movie she was portrayed as very mild mannered, quiet, like, didn't speak out of turn. But according to stories around, especially around Detroit or. That was not the Aretha Franklin they experienced.

[Monet X James]

The only part I wish they focused more on was the purse. I wanted to talk more about her purse and her not going anywhere to her person to do her gigs. You have to give her money in cash.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

It might just be a rumor, though. It might not be true. It might just be a room. The rumor is that, you know, when you perform, let's say you do a gig for $5,000, usually they will send you 25.

[Monet X James]

Work mistake. You probably telling us, daddy, they will

[Bob the Drag Queen]

send you $2,500 in a deposit. In a deposit. And then when you get there, they will either write you a check or give you the rest in cash. And apparently Aretha Franklin did not accept checks. She would only accept cash. She would only accept it when she got there. She would put it in her purse

[Monet X James]

and she would never leave her purser.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Frank was performing for more than $5,000. Honey,

[Monet X James]

who do you want to see a biopic of or whose story do you want to see told?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

This is so cheesy, but I really want to see the RuPaul biopic. It just sounds RuPaul's life is so interesting to me.

[Monet X James]

Oh, yeah, for sure.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

So interesting. And I want to know who's going to play Lady Bunny. I honestly think that Trixie would be a great Lady Bunny if she can do the voice.

[Monet X James]

I don't think Tracy can do the voice.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

You think if she could, though?

[Monet X James]

I got the voice, Curtis. I got the voice.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

If she could. If she could give like a. Well, viewed like, if. Cause Lady Bunny obviously has to be in the film. Madonna should play Michelle Visage.

[Monet X James]

Oh, my God.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

What if Madonna plays?

[Monet X James]

Who's playing RuPaul? I think Jay Harris and Jeeves.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Yeah. My friend Crystal Demure, in my opinion, should play RuPaul, especially if they ever do a Broadway musical.

[Monet X James]

Rusical. Yeah. Trixie. Jay would be such a Jay. Jay did Lola on Kinky Boots on Broadway for years. Jay's been in Broadway for a year. Jay's a brilliant singer, brilliant actor. He's also in. Oh, they are also in Raising Dion on Netflix.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Oh, really?

[Monet X James]

Yeah. Oh, word. Yeah. Jay's such a great actor.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

That's the superhero kid.

[Monet X James]

Yeah. So good. So Jay would be. Jay, we are big fans of you here at Civil Rivalry. We think we are going for you for the role of RuPaul in the biopic.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Right. I also think that Lady Bunny biopic would be funny. I think she called it fun. I've always said, whoever's gonna write the lady biopic. Lady Bunny biopic should be called Funny Bunny. And it has a start.

[Monet X James]

She has a book coming out.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

It has a start with her in Africa. That's where it has a start.

[Monet X James]

Oh, my God, he's so silly.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Cause it's so. Lady Bunny's life is also just so interesting. I got a book deal, and I ended up writing. I'm choosing to write a fiction piece, but they were like, write your story. And I was like, I just don't think I've lived enough life and my life is interesting enough at this point for me to, like, write a biopic or write a book, write a memoir. Do you think yours is Life is

[Monet X James]

interesting as a writer memorial, I feel a lot of crazy life. I think I have a lot of stuff. And every time Bob tries to ask, like, Bob has always tried a piece of things together about my family. My family history is so convoluted, and it's so crazy, and it's so, so interesting. And I've definitely lived a lot. I definitely have a story to tell. But I. Oh, my God, it took me years even, like, sift through all the things I need to get through to write this fucking book. It's, like, a lot going on in my life. My family. My life is fucked up. Y' all was fucked up.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

And I think my life has always been really, like. I feel like I've had a pretty normal life. To me, I mean, it's normal to me. It's my life. It's my normal. So obviously, to me, it makes a lot of sense. But I'm like, what. Like, what is. What are you going to hear? Oh, I used to live in Columbus. Now I live in lagrange. Now I live in Mississippi.

[Monet X James]

But it's all about the little. The little things that happen in between those things and make like, obviously, Mariah Carey is. Because of the grand life and what. The best parts to me about her book were the small moments, not, like the big things that we knew about her going to allegedly the mental ward and her, like, all that stuff and the glitter fiasco.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

You read her book?

[Monet X James]

Yes.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

We have the same editor.

[Monet X James]

It's brilliant. It's a really brilliant shout out to

[Bob the Drag Queen]

James Malia, my editor.

[Monet X James]

Mariah Carey's book was brilliant, but it was all like, those little moments that you hear about, like, when she was a little kid and, like, stuff like that and, like, learning to sing for the, like, those little things are things that make the book really special to me and made it really great.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

It was a huge seller. And she wrote the book. I know, like, people were gagged.

[Monet X James]

The audiobook, I read it with the audiobook. And that was even better because she does, like, something, like, at her dad's funeral, she's talking about her dad passing away and her, like, seeing him in the bedside table. Bedside table. Sitting at his bedside in the hospital. And her. What she sang at the funeral. And she goes to sing a little bit, and she's obviously really emotional talking about her dad. So she's also, like, crack and singing. You just start to cry, like, oh, my God, Mariah. Mariah trying to sing like, Amazing Grace. And she's like. It's like it fucking wretches at your soul. It's very, very, very.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I started listening to Viola Davis book

[Monet X James]

and how is it?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

It is. It is too much.

[Monet X James]

They talk about it on the View.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

It is. It's like,

[Monet X James]

I want to listen to it, too.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

It's like, who is living like this, really? It is like, Val Davis was not just poor. Viola Davis was like, the 0.01%. Really, like, she was like. I mean, spoiler alert. If you're gonna listen to read, I'm

[Monet X James]

gonna listen to it. I want to. Don't tell me because I'm gonna listen to it.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

It is wild. You're like, this is. I grew up. I didn't grow up. I grew up very, very poor. I grew up pretty poor. But when I look at how Violet Davis grew up, I'm like, bitch, we were the fucking Rockefellers.

[Monet X James]

Really?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Compared to, like, even though my mama was putting bills in my name. And we got our lights cut off and we was getting eviction notices, bitch. Compared to what Valeria was going through, I'm like, I didn't even know people were living like this. This is wild. Wild, wild.

[Monet X James]

Yeah, I'm definitely gonna listen to her.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Her relationship with her parents is wild. Her relationship with money. I think she's from, like, Rhode Island. Rhode island, which is so tiny. Like, who's from Rhode Island? Rhode island is tiny.

[Monet X James]

Shout out to all our Rhode Islanders listening to this podcast. I see you and I love you and I'm happy that you're here.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I didn't say that when they were there. Here. I'm saying Rhode island is so tiny.

[Monet X James]

Like, who the fuck was in that shit? Old fucked up town?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Rhode island did not say that. Like, how many people who do you know? Name. Name two people from Rhode Island. Quickly.

[Monet X James]

What's her name? Kimberly Smalls. Kimberly Smalls. And E. That bitch from gigs Evolution. You just making sure I know.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

And that bitch from the thing. That bitch who did that thing that time.

[Monet X James]

The Jewish queen from Rhode Island.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

You know that? Oh, oh, the one from Rhode Island. I forget her name especially.

[Monet X James]

She stopped doing drag. She has Onlyfans. And Onlyfans is very good.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

And the queen from Rhode island, she's fierce. Hanging from the background.

[Monet X James]

I do. Kimberly Smalls is from Rhode Island. I wonder. Kimberly still. Listen, remember, Kimberly, Kimberly will always have those really cool looks at Le Queen.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Kimberly Smalls used to turn some really exciting looks. She always did really great looks. I really enjoyed them. Kimberly Smalls, shout out to you if you still doing drag at all.

[Monet X James]

Yeah, I haven't seen in a long time. She was so. She had a really brilliant fashion eye. And she. The way she conceptualized looks was always so I was like, I wouldn't even think to do that. Like, she'll take some yaki hair and do like a. Put some green on it and put it here, and it became moss. It was just like, really?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Other people who are famous but you. But you're kind of like, I don't

[Monet X James]

need to hear the story.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

There's a big trend on TikTok being like, people who I never need to hear new music from. There's this trend. It's like people who are.

[Monet X James]

Who are they saying?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

There's a lot of people on the list. I mean, there's so many different lists. And some of them I'm kind of like, you know what? Honestly, I agree. It's like, I'm happy with the hits that you have. You can Just keep singing these songs.

[Monet X James]

Like, who. Who does he play?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Like, one of the ones people are saying is like, Alicia Keys is great, but I'm so happy with her discography. Her discography is so good. That to me, Alicia Keys doesn't. She doesn't ever have to put pen to paper ever again.

[Monet X James]

She doesn't want to list. No. For you. Who's on that list for you?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I haven't made my list. I'd have to sit down and make

[Monet X James]

the list, to be honest.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

There are people that I definitely actively like. For example, like Cardi B. I actively want Cardi B's next album to come out. I actively need invasion of privacy 2. Whatever she's gonna call her new album. Like, I actively need that to come out. Cupcake. I love Cupcake's music. I want more music from Cupcake.

[Monet X James]

I guess I'm a little. I feel any artist that I like their music. I always wanted to put stuff out. Cause I'm like. Like, to me, Jazz is. There's no artists that I listen to that I love that. I'm like, I'm good. I don't need you. But anymore, there's no one that. I mean, there are artists that I'm not obsessed with. I'm like, if they do, they don't. Whatever. But any artists that I love, like Tina Turner.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Do you want Tina Turner to make new music?

[Monet X James]

I would just be so interested in what that sound would be. Like, what is Tina Turner singing about in 2022? Like, to me, that would be so interesting. Like, what is that?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I guess I'm just so happy with Tina Turner's discography.

[Monet X James]

You could be even happier.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Or I could be not interested in it. No, but that's also a possibility.

[Monet X James]

But nothing changes. You'll still be happy with what you have. And if you don't like the new thing, whatever. But you only stand to gain if Tina Turner puts stuff out. You don't lose anything.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I agree. But I'm also not actively looking forward to Tina Turner's name. Like, if Tina Turner. If Tina Turner tweeted out tomorrow, I will never write another new song. I'd be like, work, sure. I'd literally be like, okay.

[Monet X James]

Anyway. But if she tweeted, I have a new album. New album dropping October 11th. You'll be like, what is. You would be excited. You're like, what is this?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I'd be like, well, this is interesting.

[Monet X James]

Let's see how this is gonna turn out. I guess you're not a lover of music like me. Like, there's this thing. There's this thing. Oh, people started tweeting, like, well, not people. Like, one person. I think it got a little viral. Something about, like, with Sza, but, like, when is Sza gonna stop singing about being a side chick or lonely, blah, blah, blah. And I'm like, bitch, why do you care? Like, that is her story she's telling. Just don't listen to her. Like, what?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Like, it's okay to share your opinions. You know people can't share their opinions.

[Monet X James]

No, but, like, I want sister to grow up and not, like. And stop singing about. It also feels a little like. Like, I don't want women to sing about being a side piece. Bitch, if I want to sing about being a side piece, that's my fucking business, ho.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

But also.

[Monet X James]

But dudes do it all the time.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I got a bitch over here and

[Monet X James]

a bitch over here with a sucking my dick. I'm a fucking this hoe. But no one says, like, can they stop doing that?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

There are people who do that.

[Monet X James]

They do. Sure. They are out there.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

You think? No one's asking me.

[Monet X James]

They sure are out there. But you rarely say that.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

You're talking about, like, one tweet you heard about Sza.

[Monet X James]

You seldom hear that. No, but it's like, it's having a moment.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

And I think asking men to stop making misogynistic lyrics is a huge moment. There's a lot of people who are like, can you guys please? You honestly think there's no one asking?

[Monet X James]

No one. I said seldom. I don't say no one.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

You actually did say no one. You can redouble.

[Monet X James]

And then I fixed it. I said, so there we go.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Because that's the truth.

[Monet X James]

No, they gave you the truth.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

That's the truth that you went on. I think that maybe this is a fan. It just is maturing and they're wanting, or they're evolving and they're changing. They're in a different life. And then maybe they just, from a selfish standpoint, they want SZA to reach that point with selfish. You know what? There was this thing I wanted to talk about online the other day about. Do you know who Drew A follow is?

[Monet X James]

I love Drew Rafalo. So Drew a follow is currently cheating fucking niggas up.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

She's currently beefing with this little. This one kid. He's not a kid. He's an adult. Drew Rafalo, a grown woman. And this other grown man or grown person, they're two adults. There are no kids involved.

[Monet X James]

There are context. Drew is a tiktoker. She or her entire Instagram and her podcast, they're dedicated to shut misogyny down. And when dudes speak out of turn about women, she, like, she. She. She duets their videos and she shuts them down. She, like, reads them.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

So there's this. This person who's like. I don't know how they identify, but I think.

[Monet X James]

I think this person uses he and pronouns.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Is. Is like.

[Monet X James]

I think it's Drew. Afualo. Just afu.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Allah. Is. Is like, calling out Drew. Being like, this is problematic. And then people are, like, coming to, like, each person's defense. And when liberal tiktokers start, like, going

[Monet X James]

at each other, Let me tell you

[Bob the Drag Queen]

right now, if you're listening to me, mark my words and take this advice. Do not go to bat for someone you don't know. I'm gonna say that again. This includes me. Do not go to bat for Drew. Do not go to bat for this other person. Do not.

[Researcher / Fact Checker]

You can.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

It is okay to be like, hey, this is a good point. This is a good point. I feel like you all, like, do. Like, there's too many times where people have run, you know? I don't know if y' all know Womblands. Who the fuck is Womblands? Was one of the greatest TikTok dramas in liberal TikTok history. It was. It was insanity. It involved everyone from Aunt Karen down to Womblands herself over to Modern Warrior. It was madness. And everyone was, like, jumping to people's defenses. And then later on, you find out that that person's lying, she ain't got no defenses. You find out that person's full of shit. You find out all these different things. And then everyone was jumping on Karen's defense. And then she got into some drama, and they were jumping into modern warriors defense. Then he got into some drama, and I was like, y' all do not go to bat for these people. You do not know.

[Monet X James]

Well, Bishop, what is the drama with Girofalo? Now you edging us. What is the drama between Drew and this person?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Drew and this other person? I don't. I can't find their name. If I type it in, it's gonna pop up because it's, like. It's, like, huge on TikTok right now. She's not actually making videos. He's making videos. She's tweeting and he's making videos. This one. Oh, the video's gone.

[Ad Voice / Advertiser]

Really?

[Monet X James]

Still not exactly sure why she 10.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

This person's name is Bella, and they don't have their pronouns in here, but

[Monet X James]

Bella Delgado.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Bella Delgado is The person that.

[Monet X James]

And what is the drama?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

So they were like, I think that body shaming is wrong. And Drew does a lot of body shaming. And then Drew's picking on these kids, and I don't know why Drew's picking on these kids. And they drummed up some old tweets from Drew that had faggot in them. And then they were like, so what's good? And then they were like. And then Drew was like, I ain't listening to this white boy. And then. Then he was like, I'm not white. I'm white. Passing. But whenever someone mentions that I'm white, then I have to, like, go.

[Monet X James]

And my racial discography.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Yeah. And then everyone's like, you are white. You look white. And then so it's all this back and forth. And I was just saying to anyone out there, it is okay to acknowledge that people can be right and wrong about a lot of things, and you do not have to jump on someone's side. I would say. And argument is never about who's right. It's about what's right. That is a lot more important, in my opinion. And I'm a big fan of Drew, and I don't know much about Delgado.

[Monet X James]

Yeah.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

But it is. It is, it is. I cannot open my TikTok without seeing this. When liberal tiktokers start fighting, it is just.

[Monet X James]

I love that. Fuck that bitch. Bloodbath Bitch.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

It's way. It's way more intense than when, like, a conservative and a liberal's fighting. It is just like, yo, y' all are going bananas.

[Monet X James]

Yeah.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

You never say anyone's story you wanted. You say Lantine Price.

[Monet X James]

Lantine Price? Who did you say? I said RuPaul. You said RuPaul.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Would RuPaul's story just be so interesting?

[Monet X James]

I think it would be great. And, yeah, I think it would be a really, really, really great story.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

There's, like.

[Monet X James]

It's, like, time, like, all these Nelson Sullivan videos that show, like, when Ru was living on top of the Jane Hotel, and they would, like, go and they would, like, smoke a weed and do whatever drugs out there. And he'll be, like, walking through the street with his, like, football gear. And then, like, seeing him down at the pyramid, like. Like. Like what was really going on in that time? And, like, when Ru lived in Atlanta, like, well, this. This punk rock group that he started, he put Lady Bunny in drag for the first time. Like, what was. What did all that look like?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

What is the last scene in the movie?

[Monet X James]

The last scene in the movie. I Think it's. I think we get through Drag Race, and then the last scene is them at the Emmys. And the Emmy for best host in a major pictures film is RuPaul. And that's something ending there.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I think the last thing in the movie is RuPaul standing on the main stage, and she goes, welcome to RuPaul's Drag Race. And she explains. She goes, I made the best woman. When. Then it goes, dun, dun, dun, dun, dun, dun. Credits. Or it goes into an epilogue where it starts going like. And then RuPaul went on to win the show won 27 Emmys, and it launched the careers of 200 plus drag queens.

[Researcher / Fact Checker]

I will say one big drag queen.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Bob the drag Queen.

[Researcher / Fact Checker]

Exact conversation on a podcast before.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Oh, did we.

[Monet X James]

Bobby, Bobby, Bobby. Forgetting.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

You forgot.

[Monet X James]

I knew.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Monet. You are Monet.

[Monet X James]

Yo, I didn't know this, I swear. I remember us having this conversation, and we talked this one. We talked about the lady Bunny thing. Talking about Funny Bunny.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Can I tell y' all something real quick?

[Monet X James]

Let me finish, Bob. Oftentimes we rehash conversations we've had on a podcast before. But like you said, it's our podcast. It is impossible that we're going to have brand new things to talk about every time. So I just, like, go along with it. I knew. I remember this vividly. I remember having this conversation.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

You got that off your chest.

[Monet X James]

Yes.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Right, y', all, I'm so glad for those of you who are on tour with coming to see us and you are witnessing Monae's true gaslighting. Thank you to everyone in Durham who gathered. Monet. Let me gather. Gather Monet. And thank you to everyone who's gathered with Bob. Like a cheerleading ponytail, because Monet had the. And I'm gonna gather you in Atlanta, too. Had the nerve to look in front of all those people and go, I've never said anything about the South. And everyone said. And then Monat.

[Monet X James]

And then Bob sat on stage, like, three nights in a row and be like, in his number before his black people were like, I am literally the words. I am the gaslighting queen of the podcast. And the audience shares.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

And then when I bring it up

[Monet X James]

to the podcast, Bob is like, I don't know what you're talking about, Monet.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I never said that.

[Monet X James]

Everyone is like Bob.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

So please, I do it as a bit. I literally go gaslighting anyway. And then Monet also said it in one of the towns.

[Monet X James]

She said, said.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

And this was so. Thank you all so much for standing up for me. For what's right. Not who's right. Standing up for what's right. Monet was like. Monet actually had the nerve. And someone's got it on video. I know what someone's got on video. Monet goes, I never said you weren't known for body. And everyone on it said, duh.

[Monet X James]

I did not say that.

[Researcher / Fact Checker]

Yes, you.

[Monet X James]

Let me see.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

That one's exact words were on stage. She goes, I never said you weren't known for body. What I said was you weren't known for body that day. Oh, yeah.

[Monet X James]

Oh, yeah, Yeah.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I was. That.

[Researcher / Fact Checker]

That. That.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

You just said. You never said. No, no, no. Okay.

[Monet X James]

Out of context.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

You just said you never said out of context. Yes, out of context. Oh, my God.

[Monet X James]

Out of context. You're really out of context. Yes. I was being silly, but when I went on this podcast, what I said was. When I said that you. We. We all know this. I did say that you weren't on for body. When I said I hadn't seen you were known for body, I just say you weren't. I was being silly. I did say on this podcast, we all know. I said that Bob is not known for body.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I said, oh, you silly.

[Monet X James]

Bob is known for being funny, good actor. All this. I did not. Oh, my God. This is. This is.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

But thank you all for gathering Monet. And Monet, we have another date in the south where we are going to gather you all like. Like this thing. We're all going to sit around and whoop yo ass. You're gonna be scooped. Oh, this show is on Monday, y'.

[Ad Voice / Advertiser]

All.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I can't. This is gonna be.

[Monet X James]

I. Anyway, we got all.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

That chick is about out. All this about Georgia, honey, we're in Georgia now. We're in. We're in the peach that is Peachtree City. That is Peachtree Street. That is Peachtree Avenue. And that's a peach tree. Goodbye, Ed. Can y' all edit out every time when I said mall, just go, I love Cops. Every time. Edit it out.

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