The One About Cheating

Summary

Sibling Rivalry: The One About Cheating

Episode Date: September 1, 2025

Hosts: Monét X Change & Bob The Drag Queen

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Overview

In this energetic and hilarious episode, Monét and Bob tackle the topic of cheating—exploring it in romantic relationships, games, and even childhood family traditions. The duo shares their personal experiences, playful banter, and thoughtful musings on the boundaries of fidelity, ethics in gameplay, and how “cheating” is interpreted in different contexts. Expect candid stories, lighthearted arguments, and the patented Sibling Rivalry chemistry.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Setting the Scene: Drag Lab Antics & Nasty Woman Jokes

• [02:00] Monét describes a situation in her home—lending an outfit to Bob—which quickly devolves into playful accusations of sneakiness and theft.
  • Memorable exchange:
    • Monét: “You nasty, nasty woman.” [01:00]
    • Bob: “You just crushed someone’s heart. How do you feel, darling? Hold my hand.” [01:05]
• They riff on “nasty woman” (referencing both Trump’s insult and Ashley Judd’s reclaiming of it), chasing the phrase across drag, pop culture, and personal jabs.

2. Drag Hair, Lace Fronts & The Quest for Wig Realism

• [05:04] Monét jokes about the powers of “flat tummy tea” and her drag hair routine, segueing into a real discussion of wig technology and drag aesthetics.
  • Discussion about “melting” lace fronts for realism: the technical challenges, the social policing of wig lines, and how product accessibility differs by budget and skin tone.
  • Bob calls out, “It’s fine to see someone’s lace. It’s really not that big of a deal.” [07:32]
• The conversation covers the practical hacks and limitations of wig-wearing, including larger head sizes and the innovations by queens like Kim Chi, wider lace fronts, and TikTok wig discoveries.

3. Lipstick Names, Looks, and Changing Drag Tastes

• [14:55] Lighthearted sparring over lipstick shades—“Blankety” vs. “Velvet Teddy”—serves as a metaphor for how trends and personal style evolve.
  • Bob: “Velvet Teddy sounds like a lipstick name. Blankety sounds like you’re blanking on the name.” [15:28]

4. Looking at the Camera: Podcast Production Tangent

• [16:00] Inspired by a recent fan suggestion, the hosts experiment with talking directly into the camera instead of to each other, navigating the oddness and technical limitations of remote podcast setups. Jacob, the podcast's producer, chimes in with behind-the-scenes insight.

5. Cheating in Romantic Relationships: Definitions & Rules

• [19:05] The heart of the episode.
  • Monét asks: “Have you ever cheated on a partner?” [19:05]
  • Both hosts assert they’ve never cheated on a partner, but take time to define what cheating means for different kinds of relationships.
    • Bob: “I haven’t done anything outside of what me and my partners have agreed to...so I’ve never cheated.” [19:16]
  • They explore relational boundaries: What counts as cheating? Is emotional infidelity possible? Does it differ in open or polyamorous structures?
  • Bob’s Rules: Open communication, notification if a secondary relationship turns serious, and an (uncertain) policy of no eye contact during casual hookups. [22:04]
  • Monét’s Rules: Only open when physically apart, no hookups with friends to avoid messiness, and strict separation of friend/hookup dynamic. [24:11]
    • Memorable Monét line: “All you were, a fucking juicy piece of meat that I fucking sucked the nut out of...and rode into the sunset.” [25:12]
    • Bob: “You meant nothing to Monét. You just crushed someone’s heart. How do you feel?” [25:29]

6. Side Topic: Blackness, Appearances, & Racial Identity

• [27:03] Brief, nuanced conversation about the diversity of Black appearance, how people are often miscategorized, and cultural experiences. Interweaving personal anecdotes with pop culture references like Mariah Carey and Rachel Dolezal.

7. Cheating in Games and Family Culture

• [32:09] Both hosts admit to isolated incidents of cheating in games, but Bob identifies as a “stickler for the rules,” while Monét recounts examples from home life and with friends. Bob accuses Monét’s partner Andy of cheating at “Combio” with much comedic flair.
  • Bob: “Everyone who plays at that house knows Andy cheats. Everyone. This is—a fact.” [36:00]
• Jacob, their producer, shares that his own mother “encouraged” cheating at Candy Land, stacking the deck for an easy win. [43:22]

8. Cheating & Hygiene: Drinking Games, Germaphobia, and Open Book Tests

• [45:06] Discussion veers into college drinking games, sharing why beer pong is or isn't appealing, and general attitudes to hygiene and germaphobia among friends.
• [49:53] Academic cheating comes up:
  • Monét: Admits to cheating in music theory by using clear folders to sneak in notes. [49:58]
  • Bob: Advocates for open book tests, arguing they teach research skills rather than rote memorization.

9. Final Thoughts and Signature Barbs

• The conversation ends with classic Sibling Rivalry energy: wordplay, playful jabs, and a final zinger from Monét about hydration and memory.
  • Monét: “If you retain information like you retain water, you’re probably really good at it.” [52:29]
• Episode closes out after a dense but laughter-filled heart-to-heart on honesty, trust, and the value of friendship that can withstand any accusation—real or for the bit.

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Notable Quotes

• Monét: “You nasty, nasty woman.” [01:00]
• Bob: “You just crushed someone’s heart. How do you feel, darling? Hold my hand.” [01:05]
• Bob: “It’s fine to see someone’s lace...It’s really not that big of a deal.” [07:32]
• Monét: “All you were, a fucking juicy piece of meat that I fucking sucked the nut out of...and rode into the sunset.” [25:12]
• Bob: “You meant nothing to Monét. You just crushed someone’s heart. How do you feel?” [25:29]
• Jacob: “My mom used to cheat at Candy Land and tell us how to cheat at Candy Land.” [43:23]
• Bob: “If one thing I can do is remember something…I’ve been very good at retaining information my whole life.” [52:18]
• Monét: “If you retain information like you retain water, you’re probably really good at it.” [52:29]

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• Nasty woman riff and drag garment story: [01:00-03:45]
• Drag lace, wig tech, and beauty standards: [05:00-11:58]
• Lipstick names and old drag style stories: [14:55-15:45]
• Podcast production experiment (“look at the camera”): [16:00-18:40]
• Main relationship “cheating” discussion & definitions: [19:05-24:45]
• Monét’s friendship/hookup boundaries: [24:45-26:00]
• Culture & racial identity chat: [27:03-31:36]
• Cheating in games stories: [32:09-37:00, 43:22 for Jacob’s Candyland story]
• Academic cheating and open-book philosophy: [49:53-52:29]

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Tone & Style

• Playful, direct, self-deprecating, and sharply witty
• Candid about personal shortcomings and past choices
• Equal parts “shade” and genuine, love-filled argument

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Summary

This episode of Sibling Rivalry is quintessential Monét & Bob: rapid-fire commentary, revealing stories, and a throughline of trust and honesty—even as they accuse, drag, and laugh with each other about the times they (allegedly) cheated, in life and love. They provide listeners with rare windows into their personal ethics, friendship dynamics, drag artistry, and the rules—written and unwritten—that govern queer relationships, sibling rivalry, and late-night game nights alike.

Perfect for: Fans looking to laugh, reflect on the complexity of cheating and boundaries, and appreciate the ongoing magic that is the partnership of Monét X Change and Bob The Drag Queen.

Transcript

[A]

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Exhale.

[C]

Feel your body relax.

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[B]

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[C]

My name is Bob the Drag Queen.

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And I'm Monet X Change. And this is sibling rivalry.

[C]

On this week's episode, Monat tries flat tummy tea to surprising results.

[A]

We talk about cheating.

[C]

And we find out what made Monae say this.

[A]

You nasty, nasty woman. And we find out what made Bob say this.

[C]

You just crushed someone's heart. How do you feel, darling? Hold my hand.

[A]

Let me tell you something, you fucking slick, oily, greasy ass fucking bitch. Excuse you. Yes. No, excuse me.

[C]

Wait, wait, hold on. I gotta. Sorry. I know I didn't clean up too much.

[A]

Bitch. You fucking oily, slick, nasty.

[C]

You gotta clean up.

[A]

You nasty, nasty woman. You are so nasty. You are nasty.

[C]

Guess who. Back in the house.

[A]

You are a nasty human being.

[C]

And that is the sweet of St. Lucia. Do a wide shot, Jay.

[A]

How nasty this bitch is. So I. Out of the kindness of my heart, I was like, hey, girl, there's this outfit here I have in my house. I was like, I don't wear hips anymore, so it doesn't, like, fit me well. I was like, it's domino made. It's a really great outfit. Do you want it?

[C]

It's a beautiful garment, and I'm very grateful. Thank.

[A]

I was like. And then he plans to come over later. I was like, you know what? Why don't he just look at it when you come over to my house later instead of just exciting. Okay, great. Bob comes over, we go to my drag lab as I'm sitting right here, and then we look at the outfit, and if I was like, oh, yeah, this is great, and then we bring it inside, and then. Why did you come back? It's. Cause you didn't get it. Then you get it. You got it when you were like, I need to go back to your garage. Why did you say, you need to go back to my. To the drag lab? What did you forget?

[C]

Look at all your beautiful shoes.

[A]

No, you.

[C]

I forgot something.

[A]

Yeah. You say you forgot something, and I was like, oh, yeah, you can just go like, you can just go in there and get it yourself. Like, okay, like we're. And here's why I should have.

[C]

No, I grabbed it. When I grabbed it, I actually did forget something. I genuinely forgot something. I actually grabbed it the first time.

[A]

Oh, did you really?

[C]

Yeah.

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You did? Yeah.

[C]

I don't remember. It doesn't matter.

[A]

You nasty, nasty woman. You know what? What's that name? What's that lady name from Double Jeopardy?

[C]

Who? Double Jeopardy?

[A]

Yeah, the movie Double Jeopardy.

[C]

Oh, I never. I didn't know there was a movie called Double Jeopardy. I thought you meant Double Jeopardy on Jeopardy.

[A]

No, Double Jeopardy movie.

[D]

It looks like the lead actress is Ashley Judd.

[A]

Yeah. Ashley Judd was right about you when she did the Women's March. You were a nasty, nasty woman. That's you, a nasty woman.

[C]

You're basically saying what Trump said about Hillary Clinton. Such a nasty woman.

[A]

No, but Ashley Judd reclaimed it. So you. I'm. I'm giving you the grace of having the reclamation.

[C]

Trump says, such a nasty woman, and actually just said, nasty, nasty woman.

[A]

Yes. And I literally just said, you're a nasty, nasty woman. Because you are. You're deceitful, you're hateful, you've been bested.

[C]

And this is not really the. This is not sportsmanlike of you.

[A]

I came ahead and just wanted to get myself ready for the podcast. And y', all, I was like, something feels different in here. I'm like, what is up in this room?

[C]

I was like, something feels right in here.

[A]

I was like, the feng shui is off in here. Something feels strange.

[C]

So you acknowledge that having this in your space makes you feel better. You acknowledge that having this in your workspace makes you more productive.

[A]

You're nasty. Well played.

[C]

This pillow is fantastic. I'm obsessed with this pillow. It's so good.

[A]

When I started hating it, I.

[C]

This is my pillow. I've had this pillow for a long time.

[A]

Anyway, how was your morning so far?

[C]

I. I think I got. I. I'm pretty sure I got that pillow in Portland, but I also meant I think I took that picture in Portland. Um, my morning's been great. Uh, I haven't done a whole ton. I woke up, got ready, came here,

[A]

I get up out of bed.

[C]

Are you going to say anything about this wonderful hair unit you're wearing?

[A]

So I started drinking flat tummy tea, guys, and that kind of, to my heart, and I literally woke up this morning and just had a head full of hair, and I locked it up all this morning. Isn't that crazy? Flat tummy tea from flat Tummy tea, girl. The magic of flat tummy tea. If you drink your flat tummy tea, you will have a big stomach, but you have a full head of hair

[C]

and a little bit of lace too.

[A]

What lace? What lace? Honey, this is. This is giving a lot of roach.

[C]

Can I just say too, like, I was wearing one of my wigs out of Dragon. Someone's like, we see your lace. And I was like, okay. Like, I saw this one girl who's like, we can see your lace. She goes, yeah, it's a lace front. Like, why are you like, it's. Yeah, if you melt your lace, sure. But also, girl, it's a lace front wig. Like, why do girls have to act? Why do women or queens or anyone out there wearing a wig or the queens who are women, yada yada yada, blasey blah blah, or just the guys who want to wear them have to act like they're not wearing lace fronts?

[A]

I will say that new TikTok wig melting thing looks insane. Like, I never tried this. This new lace melting thing that they're selling on TikTok, but it looks insane. Like you put your wig on and they put this thing on the lace and it literally looks like. It looks like it is your scalp. It's kind of.

[C]

I think that's good for. That sounds good for your skin melting plastic into your scalp.

[A]

It also sounds great. But also I don't think these are people wearing wigs like us. Like, I think these are like one and done frontals that they use. I don't think they're like.

[C]

So wearing. Wearing a melting lace into your scalp for two weeks at a time sounds even healthier for you.

[A]

To your point. I think, I think, I think because people are trying to. People always want to like give scalp. Like that's the thing. They want to give realness and they want to like seem like the hair is growing from this cup. I think that's always been a thing of lace front. Right. That's why people really marvel at Bianca the real, because Bianca the real will have the lace down to her, down to her, the tip of her nose. But you can't like even on sometimes in person, I'm like, Bianca, this is very impressive. I think it's impressive that once people have lace and you can't see it because you're obviously doing some type of technique that a lot of us, including myself, cannot achieve.

[C]

I agree that it's impressive, but where I start to cringe is in people who are acting like, because you have not been Able to achieve this thing that you are somehow less than or not good. Being able to have an invisible lace. I do think part of it is your skin color. I genuinely think that because they make laces and colors for certain people. And I think the other part is once your lace is not completely invisible, somehow you have failed at the art of wigging, of wearing a wig, which I think is just like, girl, y' all need to calm down. It's a lace front. It's fine to see someone's lace. It's really not that big of a deal.

[A]

I mean, I don't know about the color theme because I think there's a lot of black girls that have dark skin and is melted. I think it's more so an indication of what you can afford and your status. I think that if you can afford the really expensive super HD transparent theater, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, lace, then of course you should theater laces.

[C]

The theater laces are not. They're not transparent. The theater laces are the color of your. They're the color of your skin. So, so, so in theater, they take these markers sometimes and they will. First of all, you have the bio lace. That is the. That is closer to you. And then you take the markers and then you color the color the lace to match your skin tone as best, as best you can.

[A]

Yeah. Which is what Bianca, the. You know, I had a whole thing with Bianca. She's like, yeah, girl, go to this place and get the blah, blah, blah. And to be honest, it just sounded like so much. I was like, Bianca, I. I was like, I'll just take what I got. I'm. I'm not mad at what I got going on. I am. I'm up in these lace front streets and happy with what I look like. Bianca goes the extra mile to make sure that her shit is unclockable. Like, she really does a lot of work. And you know what? Good for her.

[C]

Good for her. I do, I do think that. Yeah. I mean, I was on this kick to be like, I will get the best lace. I remember was on my, like, I'm going to get my Invisible Lace fantasy popping this. What I was learning to ventilate when I was ventilating my way. And for a while there were. They were in Harlem selling these like, plasticky. Like, when I say plasticky, I don't mean like, like, like polyester plastic. I mean like, like looks like plastic lace front wigs in Harlem for a while. And I found this one wig brand. I think it might have been. It's a wig or something where they were selling these, like, these hard. The hard, like, lace front wigs. And they looked. They were a perfect match to my skin tone. They were like, a perfect match. So I was using those, and I was ventilating, and I was, like, adding hair by, you know, re. Ventilating those. Those wigs. But then I couldn't find those wigs anymore, and I was like, you know what? It's over. Well, it's over.

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Where's that from? Well, it's over.

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But I was even. I was even. I was even getting. Well, it's over. It's a Nina Bonina Brown me. And I was even. I was even buying. I was, like, going to the store, trying to match the lace and, like, getting the markers, and I just could not. And I was getting professionals to help me. But for whatever reason, between me and the professionals, my skin tone was never matched. Only by that one wig company was it. It's a wig. I can't remember. Only by that one wig company that. That I found wigs at it at Orange Beauty on 125. And now I can't even find those wigs anymore. So, yeah, I mean, I. Y'.

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All.

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I. I do a lot of Tik Tok wigs now. I think a lot of Tik Tok. Tik Tok has made. The wig game has changed my wig game. It's just w. Made finding wigs more accessible and, like, easy ones. A lot of the wigs I wear now are the glueless ones, because I'm not on stage, Chen. Popping and splitting and dipping and flipping around anymore. So doing a glueless wig. A lot of the. A lot of the really nice ones that y' all see are that. Y' all see me. Oh, my God, Monet, Where'd you get that wig? They're literally TikTok wigs. And sometimes they literally only have lace from hair to hair. But I'm a middle part girly, so it works for me and Ty. And I love my little TikTok wigs. And what I would do is a little. I mean, it's not a secret. Everyone knows this. You I would just buy. Because I'm a bigger lady. I buy two of them, and we just put them together. Either we'll sew them together. Ty will sew them together, or we will attach. We'll take the lace front off of one and attach a whole back of the cap to the other one so it looks longer and bigger and fuller. But they're usually TikTok with wigs with just a. Just.

[C]

You had a question?

[A]

A 4 inch lace. 4 inch wide lace here.

[D]

Okay. So in the same way, it's hard to find heels because most drag queens are. Have larger feet than the demographic buying heels. Is that a thing with wigs where, like a queen with really, really big heads just cannot find wigs?

[C]

No, that is a thing.

[A]

That is a thing. Latrice Ray 4 she like, a lot of times, literally, like regular wigs that we had, they would not fit on the streets. And I have a pretty big head and my legs would even go to like hair on the trees. So I think they probably have to get custom, custom hairlines or.

[C]

A lot of y' all don't realize if you have a big head and you're able to buy a, a, a larger lace front from wigs and grays, you can thank Kim Chi for that. Kimchi worked with wigs and grays, I believe I, I might want to double fact check this to make a wider lace to fit bigger heads, because kimchi. I don't know if y' all know this or not, but kimchi. On season eight of Drag Race, kimchi were almost exclusively wigs and grace wigs the entire season.

[A]

Yeah. And. But even now, I mean, y'. All. But I think even lace front companies, they're starting to make wider ones. Like for example, when we did the season finale, what season was Robin. Robin Fierce on 14. Whatever season Robin Fierce was on where we were talking about washer. Remember y', all, when she came to the reunion and her lace was like down to hair. I think a lot of lace companies now, they make. They've started to make them longer for so, for so more people can fit the lace fronts and you can.

[C]

She had the kimchi. Cause her. Cause her, her lace was. Her lace was going past her ears. It went up past her ears.

[A]

Oh, my God. This, y'. All. So what y' all know? So wigs and Grace. This one. This. Back in the heyday when wigs and Grace was like the thing, right? So when you went on a season, I think they started season or they maybe started season eight, what they did was when you were on the season when before the cast was announced. But you know, every. All. All the girlies knew who was on Gloria from Wings, and Grace would fly you to Dallas, she would put you up, and she would give you like eight styled wigs and give you a bunch of not styled wigs on the condition that you would come and she would photograph you in every single wig. Color and style. So you're there for like a full day, like eight hours shoot, and you putting on, like 50 plus wigs on your head. And she took a picture of you. And those are the pictures used on the website. So I did it. Naomi Smalls did it. Shea did it. Sasha Velour did it. Asia o' Hara did it. Cracker did it. Plastique did it. I think she did it from, like, Seasons eight. Is that Katya on the left?

[C]

No, I don't think so.

[A]

So, yeah, so a lot.

[C]

Espresso, Esmeralda.

[A]

If y' all go to. If y' all go to the wig and the girls website, it's gonna see a bunch of Drag Race girls because Gloria will put us in these hairs. And you just sit there, you know

[C]

that is at the bottom, right, Mona?

[A]

Yeah, that's Gloria.

[D]

Yeah.

[A]

And she would take pictures of you in the thing. So these cursed images.

[C]

Oh, actually, I don't look that bad.

[A]

I look so skinny.

[C]

She invited almost everyone. Almost everyone.

[A]

Almost everyone. I think Brooklyn Hydes did it too. Oh, Layla McQueen did it too. Oh, my God. When Layla used to do her to the heart and then the beauty mark.

[C]

I don't remember the beauty mark, but I remember the heart for sure. Yeah, it was one of her little.

[A]

Her little.

[C]

Her little stamps to God.

[A]

That's when I was into my fucking. I was upset, Obsessed with sepia. Sepia, that, like, dark, nudie white brown color. I was obsessed with that.

[C]

Why don't you wear it anymore?

[A]

I just have gone past that. I'm more of, like a peachy nude now.

[C]

Years ago, when they told me that she used to wear this lipstick, and I was like, what is that? And she was like, blankety. And I was like, okay, if you're not going to tell me, just don't tell me. It's called Blankety. I was like, all right, money, if you don't want to tell me the name of the lipstick, then we can just move on with our lives. Because I'm asking you this color. I like it. And you're saying, oh, it's Blankety. Blankety Blank. Anyway, it was fully called Blankety at which.

[A]

And then the next day, I was like, oh, Bob, I like that one. What are you wearing? He's like, velvet Teddy. I was like, oh, so blanket is crazy, but Velvet Teddy is all right.

[C]

Velvet Teddy sounds like a. Like a lipstick name. Blankety sounds like you're like. Like you're blanking on the name and you don't want to tell me.

[A]

No, wait, what world is Velvet Teddy more legitimate than Blankety Girl? Like, what?

[C]

In this one?

[A]

You're so ridiculous.

[C]

Blankety sounds. You're like Blankety Blank Velvet Teddy. Which, by the way, I still work. To this day, I have not moved past Velvet Teddy.

[A]

Well, do they still make it?

[C]

Yeah. I'll tell you more about it when we get back.

[A]

I think I have an idea. I wanted to do the first podcast episode today because it was on one of our recent episodes. We both were looking into the camera, talking, and. Hot Boy G, can we please have one episode with y' all just looking at the camera while talking? I think it's gonna be strange, and I wanna try for a little bit. So instead of looking at our screen,

[C]

I think it feels. Yeah, this feels very odd to me because even in FaceTime calls, you're not staring at the camera on a FaceTime call. You're staring at the person you're talking to.

[A]

I think. I mean, I think, you know, but. But, you know,

[C]

I mean, I can't see myself, so I don't know how I look. And I can't see you, so I

[A]

don't know how you look.

[C]

Jacob, can you chime in on how this feels as a viewer?

[A]

I will say this.

[D]

It looks like you're just looking at. It looks kind of like you're looking at each other. I think the issue is when we're used to seeing, like, FaceTime with the Apple technology, the camera is built right into our screen, so the eye. Your eye level and eyeline is actually closer to the camera. When we're podcasting, we're using nicer cameras and a little bit harder to get a great eyeline and, like, set up the shot so you're always looking a little bit further off than we're used to for a FaceTime call. So it doesn't look crazy. It looks like we would be if we were doing this on FaceTime or if you weren't. We're using regular cameras, but, like, it's not.

[C]

Yeah, yeah, I get it. I mean, if you're a little high, by the way, Jacob,

[D]

this is me. This is me looking at you. Am I looking. Does it look like I'm looking at the camera or beneath it?

[C]

It looks like you look like you're looking at. This looks correct. Whatever you're doing, it looks correct.

[D]

Yeah.

[A]

And are you looking at the camera? Are you looking at the screen? He's lying.

[D]

I'm looking at the camera.

[A]

Oh. Oh, you're looking at the camera or the screen?

[D]

I'm looking at the screen, but, like, below the camera. Now I'm looking at Bob. Now I'm looking at Monet. And now I'm looking at the camera.

[C]

Well, you're on a laptop. Monet's on a Monet. Okay, just so y' all know, Monet is on a giant desktop. I am on a desktop, but my camera is completely. Monet's camera is. Monet is using her FaceTime or whatever they call the camera.

[D]

Are you using a FaceTime camera? Monet work?

[A]

Yeah. That's good quality because it's the. It's the imac. So it goes up to 1080p.

[D]

Dang. Okay.

[C]

I am using a desktop and a Sony camera. So this is me. I mean, for those of you listening, I'm so sorry. This is me looking at Monet. This is me looking at my camera. To me, this feels like a. Like, it looks like I'm looking. I can't see myself. I honestly don't know how I look. I have no clue how I look now.

[A]

How you look?

[C]

I don't know. Tell me.

[A]

I think it looks fine. You know, it doesn't look weird, but

[C]

I can't react to anything you're doing because I can't see you.

[A]

What did I just do?

[C]

I don't know. I just said I can't see you.

[A]

Well, you have so much attitude about it, though.

[C]

I think you're sensitive about it.

[A]

Oh, wow.

[C]

Have you considered that? Okay. Bob. What?

[A]

Have you ever cheated on a partner?

[C]

I've never been in a position to cheat. I mean, I guess I have been in a position to cheat. I. I guess we need to define what cheating is first.

[A]

You know what?

[C]

Let's no for ourselves, because if you say she's gonna be like, we're not playing by the rules or something like that, which I guess if I. If I. I haven't done anything outside of what me and my partners have agreed to. No. So I don't know. I've never cheated on a partner.

[A]

I mean, have you? I mean, have you? Even when you were. Even when you were. I mean, Jacob was your first boyfriend, so.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

You've always been open, so I guess there's no cheating.

[C]

Yeah. Wow. So now I've never cheated on my partner. Not once.

[A]

Wow.

[C]

I don't think I would ever put myself in a position to cheat. Fair. Have you ever cheated on a partner before?

[A]

No.

[C]

Would you admit. Would you admit to cheating on a partner, though, here on the podcast?

[A]

I would for sure.

[C]

You've never cheated on anyone? Never. Not once?

[A]

No. And I've been cheated on. Long term relationships. Like, no, I. I don't think I have. I mean, I mean.

[C]

Oh, my God, you like my stairs. Onto our relationship. Have you ever cheated on anyone? I didn't say exclusively in your serious long term relationships.

[A]

I mean, have you ever cheated? Like a situationship? Like, but we weren't. We weren't official, so, like. No.

[C]

Have you ever been in a relationship or situation with someone where it was clear to you and that person that you were not having sex with anyone else and you did it anyway?

[A]

No, that isn't. That's not what happened.

[C]

Because if you are hooking up with someone and you hook up, but you are. You guys aren't partners and you hook up with someone else, that's not cheating.

[A]

Say it again. If you're.

[C]

What? If you have a situationship, right. And you have sex with someone else, that's not cheating.

[A]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly. Because you're not. You're not. You're not. We're not exclusive. We're not.

[C]

Yeah, because I would say, I mean, I don't know the exact. The like, Webster, you know, Oxford Miriam, definition of the word. But I'm assuming it's like cheating is like basically going outside of the rules, regulations, or agreements of a deal.

[A]

This is what ChatGPT says. Well, when I Google it, the AI thing, breaking the agreed upon boundaries of the relationship, which can involve emotional or physical intimacy with someone outside the relationship. So.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

So cheating is not only like going to fuck someone else, it can be you can emotionally cheat on your partner.

[C]

Yeah, I've not done that.

[A]

So have you ever had rules in your openness about. I guess no. Y' all have just been fully, like, you can do whatever. We have rules.

[C]

You think we just animals.

[A]

I thought, okay, my understanding of your openness was that we're open and we're polyamorous. So we are. So you guys are. But, like, in terms of like, as your friend, what I understood your openness to be was that y' all had no rules around, like, who you can and cannot hook up with emotionally or physically. And you guys can. And you don't have to, like, yeah, sorry. There were no rules about who you can and kind of hook up with emotion physically, and you can do it with as many or as little people as you want to. So, like, I guess. What are the rules then? That I don't. I'm not. So what rules are there that I don't know that they are? Like, you can it. Can it not be Friends.

[C]

Well, we communicate. We always openly communicate. If you start dating someone, you let them know once it's starting to get serious, you tell them if. If you're dating, like, specifically around dating, like, if you're dating someone and they start to like it's going to become a relationship, you will. You'll tell the partner. I don't know that we've established that as a rule, but we definitely have a policy in our relationship. Communicating 100.

[D]

And then for hookups, everything is fine. Just no eye contact.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Oh, wow. Okay. So. So. So the one rule is that when y' all are getting serious with. So I guess at that point it's a two rules.

[C]

The eye contact.

[A]

Got it. Eye contact. And the second one is that if y' all getting serious, you have to let the other per. The other people know.

[C]

Yeah. I mean, we haven't sat down and said this is our rule, but we've done it every time, so.

[A]

Bitch. That's why I said I didn't know

[C]

that was a rule.

[A]

Bitch, you didn't even say it was a rule.

[C]

Well, it is. I would call it a policy. I would call it an understood policy. Would you agree to that, Jacob?

[D]

Absolutely.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

Got it. So has that sort of. Has that ever happened, like, with, like, Tao and the other boyfriends you've had? Have you, like. Have you ever, like, lapsed, like, I guess. What is serious? Serious is like.

[C]

Oh, like I would say the first time I dated someone else, I. No, I communicated with Jacob about it, but it was our first time ever navigating it ever. So there were some bumps there, but we. But I did communicate about it, but we were just really newly navigating what it means to introduce another paramore or a partner into our dynamic.

[A]

Got it.

[C]

But. But I don't think there was any. There was no dishonesty now.

[A]

Got it. Okay.

[C]

And there was a lot. There was a lot of openness, but we were definitely finding out what it means to in practice, have a. Another person be a part of the polycule.

[A]

So that is the one. Would you call it. Position that. So that's. That's the one policy that you have. Everything else is fair game.

[C]

I'm sure as we talk more throughout the episode, I'll. I'll. Something else might come up in my head.

[A]

You know what I mean? Got it.

[C]

Yeah. I'm sure as we talk more, something else might. Might come up for sure. But that sounds about right. Yeah. For now. How about you? What are your. What are your rules?

[A]

We have a few rules. Like, so we. We only like really, we're open when we're not together. If Andy's out of town or I'm out of town. So when we're both at home together, we're not open. We're fully monogamous. And so. And around that we don't hook up with friends because in our. In my. We think that that may have the tendency to get messy. And also, I'm just, you know, me, I've said this a million times on podcast. I'm just not interested in hooking up with friends. Like, I put friends in a friend box and hookups in a. In a hookup box.

[C]

You know, what if a hookup becomes a friend? What if you get friendly?

[A]

That doesn't really. That. That has never happened to this date

[C]

in all my bombastic sex we used to have. That's crazy.

[A]

I mean, I. But I wouldn't call you a friend though. You're an associate. You're a coworker.

[C]

So you're saying one queen from all Stars you're not friends with.

[A]

Correct. Okay, so y' all do the math.

[C]

So by the way, to any Monet's hookups who are listening to this, just know that you were literally nothing but a piece of meat in her hotel bed.

[A]

Uh huh. A piece of meat. All you were. A fucking juicy piece of meat that I fucking sucked the nut out of. A fucking juicy piece of meat that I fucking stuck in my ass and robbed that motherfucker into the sunset.

[C]

That's. And now you're fired. Now you're expired.

[A]

You're done.

[C]

You mean.

[A]

You meant.

[C]

You meant. You literally meant nothing to Monet. You just crushed someone's heart. How do you feel?

[A]

Yeah, you better. You would agrees and put some oil in the fucking ashy ass knuckles.

[C]

Nigga, my knuckles were not ashy at all actually. But I was looking for chapstick. My lips are dry and then my chapstick is. Looks just like my lip balm. I mean my chapstick or my lip balm looks just like my lotion.

[A]

Not Bob, use the Delta. The Delta Chapstick.

[C]

It's actually. Yeah, it's really good. It's grown alchemist. This is a really good lotion.

[A]

I don't know what grown alchemist is, to be honest.

[C]

Google it. It's literally. It's really good lotion. But I don't like the lotion a lot because it is very scented and you know, I don't like to wear scents at all. But I was looking for this. But I saw that. And I pulled it. I was like, I might as well put some on. And then in that moment, I remembered, my God, this is so fragrant.

[A]

I think something about black people. When you see another black person put lip chap on, you're like, bitch, I gotta put some on too. Mothers were perfectly fine. But you said the word chaps. And I was like, oh, I'm gonna do it too. It's almost like yawning. When black people see one black person put it on lip chap, they will do it too.

[C]

Do white people not do that?

[A]

I don't think they. I don't think they use it often.

[C]

Jacob, do you have a desire to put on chapstick right now?

[D]

I do. I always think about my lips. I'm like, you know what? My lips are a little dry. I could use some chapstick maybe.

[C]

It's not a black thing.

[A]

It is a black thing. Jacob. Jacob was. Y' all know, y'. All. Jacob is half black.

[C]

Jacob. There's no blackness in Jacob at. Oh, every once in a while, Bob, it's okay.

[A]

Y' all can complain. Jacob is half black.

[C]

I saw this guy yesterday who I thought was black, and I. Some guy who works here in the same building I work at, his brother came in, and I saw this guy who looks like a black version of the guy that I know. Like a black, straight, taller version. And the guy's already tall. The guy's already like, 6, 3, 6, 4. This, like, 6, 5. Black version, straight version of this guy who works here. I was like, oh, my God. And I was like, oh, yeah, I remember you. We met. He was like, I'm so and so's brother. I was like, oh. And then I was in a group call, and I was like, did y' all know so and so's brother is black? And someone's like, what? I was like, yeah, he's black, girl. He. He's like, drake black. And then they were like. And then they're like, he's. No. But I was like, I think he's black. So then I text him, and I was like, is your brother black? And he was like, what? I was like, your brother looks black. He was like, I know he's not black. He just looks black, but he is not black. And I really thought this man was black. I was like, this is a black man. I. I think this is a whole ass black man.

[A]

I think it was just. Which I think is one of the beauty of blackness, how, like, black people can look so many. There's so many different ways to look, like to. To look black. And I think that's fair. Is which. I mean, again, which white people can't really do that. If you're white, you look white. But black people there are like, no,

[C]

if you're white, you can look black. I just told you, I just saw a white guy who looks black.

[A]

Oh, right. Wait, wait.

[C]

He was.

[A]

He was. He was white.

[C]

He's white.

[A]

Well, I thought you did do.

[C]

Were you listening to my story at all?

[A]

But from yesterday.

[C]

We're just waiting to talk.

[A]

I think about the details from yesterday. I thought. Yes, and when you told me this, we found out that he was black.

[C]

He's not black. You're not listening to my story. He was like, no, girl, he's not black. My brother's not black.

[A]

He's.

[C]

He just looks black. My brother's white. He just looks black.

[A]

Oh. Last time he told me a tale, I thought. I thought we came up with he was black. Like he. They had a. He was a half brother or something like that also.

[C]

In fact, I'll tell you more about it after this break.

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[C]

See terms we we know for a fact that white people can look like other races. I don't know why you sitting there acting like you don't know that everyone thought Rachel Dolezal was black. Now who everyone thought that Rachel Dole is all.

[A]

But to be fair, she did a lot of things to do that right. She, she, she changed the texture of her hair. She went through. She did a lot of tan. Like, she, like, like just everyone change your hair.

[C]

People change their hair all the time.

[A]

Yeah, but I'm saying that. But normally the black people, the black people who.

[C]

Black people can't take their hair.

[A]

They do. But I'm not. Can I finish my motherfucking sentence, bitch? The black people who may look. Who, who look like white, like they're not. Like it's just their natural thing. They're not changing anything. Like, like they just look like for example, Amber Rose, she is a black person. You are a black person. I'm a black person. Like, like we are all black, but they're the.

[C]

You don't think Amber Rose is changing the color of her hair?

[A]

No, but her. But we've seen Amber Rose with, with her natural hair as well. And she looks black.

[C]

She's asking.

[A]

Yeah. Yes. It's on my. The, the. When she, when she shaved her head and it was blonde and she dyed it. Yes, but also when her hair is just her natural.

[C]

You don't think Mariah Carey's changing the color. You don't think Mariah Carey changed the color of changing her hair at all.

[A]

But Mariah Carey just at her. Without her hair color change. She black. I mean, sorry, she. She.

[C]

But when Mariah Carey changes thing, people start thinking she's white.

[A]

What I mean again, I like when

[C]

Mariah Carey start changing stuff.

[D]

She's.

[C]

She's a looking white.

[A]

Like when. Give. Give me. Give me a picture.

[C]

I've never thought Mariah care is white, but people think. A lot of people think Mariah care is white like a lot of people. Someone just found out right now during this podcast listening to me talk that Mariah care is not black.

[B]

Someone.

[C]

I mean that Mariah Carey is. That Mariah Carey is black. Someone just found out. Someone was today years old when they found out Mariah Carey was black.

[A]

Anyway, my point was to highlight how beautiful and fierce how beautiful the. The spectrum of blackness is and how wonderful it is.

[C]

I agree with that. But I want you to defend your point. I want you to defend your point more, please.

[A]

No. We have been arguing a lot of this podcast. I would like to move on cheating. Have you ever cheated in a video game?

[C]

I also want to point out too, what's your name? Doesn't look white either. Bjork. I thought Bjork was Asian for a very long time.

[A]

I didn't think Bjork was Asian.

[C]

And a lot of People think when you Google is Bjork Asian is one of the first things that pops up.

[A]

Super. Have you ever cheated in a game before?

[C]

Yeah, but normally I don't. I don't. I don't. I don't like when people cheat in games. I am normally. Yeah.

[A]

I want to know the time.

[C]

I mean, one time, me and Jacob cheated at the game Among Us. That's like the one that sat my mind. I cheated at the game Among Us one time Among Us.

[A]

What the fuck is Among Us?

[C]

Among us is kind of like mafia, but on the phone and over the Internet.

[A]

Among Us.

[C]

Among Us. Like, there's someone among us.

[A]

The thing where you, like, in, like, the little spacesuits. Oh, Among Us. I never played that game. I don't even know how do y' all cheat in that?

[C]

When every we entered the same room, we were sitting side by side, so we knew. We knew who the people were.

[A]

Oh, God.

[C]

You're not supposed to know who anyone is.

[A]

Got it, got it, got it, got it, got it.

[C]

So Jacob and I cheated one time in Among Us during lockdown when I was trying to learn how to play the game, and I was just being silly, and someone got really mad at us and reported us, but also, like, announced, hey, we're cheating. Like, I was like, we're cheating, guys.

[A]

Got it.

[C]

And. But I'm normally a really big stickler for the rules. I do feel like when I come to your house for game night, there's a lot of cheating going on.

[A]

I'm not engaging in this.

[C]

Well, you're not engaging in the podcast. You asked me if I cheated. I can't ask you. So you can ask me.

[A]

Ask me. You don't ask me if I cheated. That's not what you did. That's not.

[C]

I know for a fact that you and your. You that people in your house.

[A]

I cheat.

[C]

I say people in your house cheat. I know for a fact that people in your house cheat. Like, for a fact.

[A]

No, you don't. Guys. What where you going? Over hearsay.

[C]

No, not off here. Say also off of seeing, like, he cheated last night when we played.

[A]

How did he cheat last night?

[C]

So last night we were playing this game and the combio, and there are these four cars. You can only look at two of the cars. So he looked at two, and it was really. It was pretty clear. You can only look at two cars like this. This was not misunderstood. It's not possible. We all understand. Well, it is.

[A]

That's not true, because.

[C]

So what?

[A]

Let me. Bob likes to Give these, like, little bits of the. Bits of the story. We're going to play Bob, Andy and myself are at home. We're going to play Combio. And he had to fin and work on his thing. So then I started playing the rules for the game on the TV while Andy was working. So Bob and I watched the rules, and Andy did not pay attention to the rules. And then Andy was like, oh, I got done. Let's go play. So we went to play, which we never reviewed the rules for the game with Andy again. So we started playing, and I did say, you can only look at the bottom two cards. And in Andy's offense, when I played the game for the first time, too, yeah, Kim said it, but I was just like. I was like, oh, I have a deck of cards. I'm gonna look at all my cards. And then. So that's what Andy did. He looked at the bottom two and then looked at the other two. I was like, babe, you can only look at the bottom two. He was like, oh. And then we reshuffled anyway, so that's not cheating.

[C]

We did not reshuffle.

[A]

Well, I can't think. Oh, because. Oh. Because it was also a practice round, so we're like, oh, we're just kind of practicing. Bob and Annie had never played the game before. I played it before. So they were still trying to figure out the mechanics of the game. So that's the full context.

[C]

That's not the full context, but thank you so much for that small part of it. Because he cheated other times throughout the game, too, I don't think. Oh. Oh, you remember now when.

[A]

When.

[C]

No, I love that.

[D]

You just.

[C]

You literally just remember. So Andy would, would, would. So there are these rules where you can. Like, it's. The game's hard to explain, but there's a list of rules, and based on what card you pull, you can look at other cards if you want to. You can look at the cards if you don't want to. So there are moments where. Where Andy would try to cheat. We'd have to literally stop him from cheating physically with my hands by snatching off the table.

[A]

Remember that?

[C]

Of course you don't monetize. Of course you don't. Because that scans. That's. That. Because that scans for you.

[A]

I just don't remember that.

[C]

No. That again, that scans for you. You have a blind spot when your man do something crazy. I will say this. Everybody who plays at that house knows Andy cheats. Everyone. This is. Everyone but you, actually. Everyone but you.

[A]

That is a lot Jacob, you know Andy to be a cheater in the games. And everyone knows the twee ought to be fucking sneaky and shady. Does that mean it's real? Yeah. Silence.

[C]

That silence wasn't for you, Mo.

[A]

That silence.

[C]

You can ask Taylor. Taylor's here. Taylor's in the building.

[A]

Then I can get Andy ahead to defend himself. But no to defending Sheen behavior. You already started bringing outside people to not be so subconscious saying this word to corroborate your point.

[D]

Cobble.

[C]

Wait.

[A]

You've made me bring it down here.

[C]

What are you gonna do?

[D]

Cheat?

[A]

You've made me so self conscious about how I say words, which is honestly, do you feel good about yourself

[C]

myself right now?

[A]

That how you have made me self conscious about how I. About my speech. And as someone who I've confided in you that I have a speech impediment, you continue to make fun of my speech, which is crazy.

[C]

Well, you confided in me that you have a stammer, which I don't really make fun of your stammer anymore.

[B]

But.

[C]

But you're. But you're. But you're.

[A]

I do you just like, you know I don't.

[B]

You see?

[D]

You see?

[A]

But yeah, if I could talk about your fucking chick ass, I could talk about your chipped ass too. Then you want to get hurt your feelings.

[C]

I'm not hurting my feelings. I have been.

[A]

You had a whole thing about how you said about.

[C]

It seems like what you're pointing out is you do the same activities.

[A]

No, because when we had the thing I saw and we apologized.

[C]

You know that's not true.

[A]

I removed.

[C]

You didn't stop. You may have apologized, but you didn't stop.

[A]

I did stop up. When. When have I made fun of Shippy?

[C]

Interesting. Because. Because, I mean, I was to court you.

[A]

I'll give it to the end of time to find.

[C]

I. I'll happily do it. First of all, you just brought it up a second ago. Also, way before that, at the end of the. At the end of the episode of the whole thing about miscommunication or whatever it was, or conflict resolution, the very last thing was you. You. You were. You had some crazy question about. So how about your dental work? When have you ever got your teeth fixed or something? It was like this whole episode. We had this whole episode about conflict resolution. And then you were like, let's change the subject. Do you ever go to the dentist?

[A]

And that's about your ch.

[C]

My teeth? Yes, Monae. Yes, Monae.

[A]

Chip, too, Bob. You.

[C]

Oh, my God.

[A]

So you Tell me.

[C]

We had a whole podcast about my chipped tooth. And then you wanted to change the subject. And the subject was, you ever got your teeth fixed?

[A]

Yes. Because in that episode, we also talked about, like, the dentist, if you remember going to the dentist. And my love for dentistry became a topic of conversation in the episode. And then we talked about the time that I picked your ass up from your dental surgery. Took time out of my day to pick your ass up from the dentist after you had your four wisdom tooth removed. And then we started talking about the. We talking about the tour when you had your four teeth impacted or infected, whatever the fuck it was, and how I had to care for you during that as well.

[C]

First of all, you did not care for me on the tour. What did you do on the tour to care for me besides laugh at me every time I was in pain?

[A]

I would bring you food.

[C]

No, you would not. I would get myself food. You are lying. You are just lying.

[A]

You think I never brought you food on that tour?

[C]

No, I don't think you did.

[A]

I never brought you food on that tour.

[C]

Can you name a time you did? Do you remember walking up to me with food?

[A]

Yes.

[C]

When?

[A]

When I went to Taco Bell after the show one night. I brought you up.

[C]

Monet, you're lying. You've never been to Taco Bell in Canada.

[A]

Yes, I am.

[C]

Canada on a tour. You're just making. You're making up things.

[A]

I'm not making things up, girl.

[C]

Monet, you are. Your level of gaslighting and lying. I think what happened was recently, somewhere around the time that me and Jacob clocked that you. That the. That the link wasn't on your website. You have. You have amped up the lying to a crazy degree. Like, you have amped up your lying to a weird. And just by the way you're putting your hands on your face, that's the face you make when you're. When you're trying to convince me that you're not lying. So there's a thing about Monet when she's acting, which, by the way, it is. It is an effective technique with acting. But I've seen this a lot. You can see it in me and Monet's most recent Samsung ad that we posted. When Monet's lying or acting, she does it when she's like this. I did. I did.

[A]

You did.

[C]

It's like the hand to the face thing, which, by the way, is a very effective acting technique. But I clocked when you do this and you just. No, because go Back and watch money acting, y' all go back and watch anytime. I'm gonna have to act like she was frustrated. Does she?

[A]

What gags sheep, what gags me is that you and Jacob have proven time and time again that y' all are literally up to no good. So now y' all have. I think y' all have convinced y' all selves about the truth, and now you're trying to convince the Internet, which is crazy.

[C]

Jacob, do you know how to use the Wayback Machine on Internet? Because I work smart.

[D]

I can actually do a little bit better. Give me one second. Let me.

[C]

Now, before we prove you wrong, do you want to commit? Do you want to admit right now, before we have unrefutable proof that you're lying? Do you want to take this time to acknowledge that you're doing a bit.

[A]

Jacob. Have proven how. How conniving y' all are?

[C]

I'm just saying you have the opportunity right now. And just by the way, just so you all know, everyone on the Internet, there is something on the Internet called the Way Back Machine.

[A]

Correct.

[C]

The Way Back Machine lets you see how websites used to be before they changed them. So just so you all know, you at home, you let me just finish the statement. You all can go do your own research, please. This is a bit that Monet's doing.

[A]

She's.

[C]

She's committed to the bit. So you all see that me and Jacob are not making anything up.

[A]

Crazy.

[C]

When you use the Way Back Machine to go to Monet Exchange's website and see that the date was never there, you all do your sneaky stuff.

[B]

Stuff.

[C]

You all will understand that I'm not

[A]

lying or it wasn't at some point, but the episode that we talked about, it was on there. And we have our.

[D]

If you look in the screenshot, you can see the outfits that you are wearing. You can see the. If you look at the swim sharing

[C]

this Monet, you are doing, you're doing a bad job.

[A]

One person on this podcast has. Does not have a history of doctoring footage, editing footage to make you seem like you're the thing. One person has the history of not doing that. That is Monet X Change. Now, you don't have the ability and

[C]

you don't have the ability, not the history, the ability.

[A]

I've gone through extensive many times editing pictures to make sure to make a ring look like it was yours. That was mine. That y' all have doctored footage and videos on this podcast. Y' all have did that. So you know, this is a bed that you have created, so you sleep and lie in it.

[C]

You know what? I think that the comments below can tell that you're. That you're spiraling out because you've been caught.

[A]

I'm spiraling out. One of us is crashing out of this year.

[C]

You've been. You've been caught in a lie, which, by the way, I know you're. There's the thing, though, what makes this crazy is that I know you're lying. You know you're lying, and Jacob also knows that you're lying.

[A]

I. Yeah. I mean, and I. I know this. Y' all just serve to try to make me crazy on this podcast, because that's literally what gaslighting is. You're trying to convince me of a truth that's. And this. And that is not the truth. And I'm gonna let you have it. Cause I'm not gonna let y' all fucking take years off of my life with this bullshit. I'm moving on. Was cheating ever tolerated or encouraged in your friend group or family growing up?

[C]

No. No one in my family was encouraging cheating.

[A]

Jacob wrote the question, bitch.

[C]

You think my family was encouraging cheating, Jacob?

[D]

Mine was.

[A]

What?

[D]

Yeah, I'm sorry.

[C]

My.

[D]

My mom. My mom used to cheat at, like.

[C]

You are on the mic. You are on the mic, Jacob.

[D]

Okay. My mom used to cheat at Candy Land to tell us how to cheat at Candy Land.

[A]

How do you cheat in Candyland?

[D]

You stack the cards, you get.

[A]

You.

[D]

You pull. You're guaranteed to pull a Queen Frostine, which takes you to the end at the beginning, and then you just go from there, and it's a pretty easy scoop.

[A]

You know, I've never played Candyland, so I don't even know. I don't know any of the mechanics of the game or how it even operates.

[C]

Candyland is just a game where you have to go from one side. You're racing from the start line to the finish line, and you can take. I feel like you might be take shortcuts or get power. I know chutes and ladders. You can take the chutes and ladders to get to the finish line faster.

[D]

It's. You move it. The boards, it's a long path, and each square has a different color of a different color of the rainbow.

[A]

Got it.

[D]

And you draw a card from the deck, and it has the color of the rainbow, and you move to the next coordinating color on the track. But there are some. There are special people, like Lord Goopy or something, who's a chocolate monster, and Queen Frostine, who's the ice cream Queen and they have their own cards and if you draw one of their cards, you move right to their space.

[A]

I. Yeah, that's what it was.

[C]

Yeah, you moved to different like Lollipop Land or Chocolate Land or Gumdrop Land and you're trying to navigate to move faster and faster and faster. You're just racing to the finish line.

[A]

I bought, I bought on TikTok a game called Tipsy Land, which I have not played it anymore, which I realized, I think, I think maybe in college, early 20s, I would have played a Tipsy Land. I don't think now is a game a day I would be into playing a game like tipsieland. You know what I mean? I'm not interested in do playing a drinking game to get drunk.

[C]

I mean I certainly have an interest in playing a drinking game, but maybe

[A]

if we play it and instead of shots of alcohol, it's like shots of like a five hour energy.

[C]

That doesn't sound fun. No, I, that I, I would never, I would. That does not speak to me drinking liquid for fun. Unless maybe the only thing I could think of wanting to drink something for fun is if maybe the point of the game is to like see you can drink a liquid the fastest. Maybe. I mean, I will say beer pong is kind of fun without beer because there is a aiming element to the game. So you get to like toss over to like this thing. But I guess you lose the fun when you're not getting drunk. But I still find fun in the shooting the basket or trying to get the, the pong in the cup.

[A]

Yeah, I don't think so. I, I've never been to beer pong because I think it's so gross. Because like you take the ball and you throw it. Oftentimes the ball is not getting the cup. You're in someone's house, to their apartment, people inside with their shoes on, walking around the floors because there are drinks and it's a party. At least my experience is in college. So the floor is kind of muddy and gross. And yes, there is a cup you do to like thing the ball, but once you do it more than twice, that water is also dirty. If you're like washing out in the sink or replacing the cup every time, then that feels more sanitary. But at a basis, a bear pong seems gross. And I just, I could never participate.

[C]

I'm like, I've just never been a germaphobe in my life. Like, I mean I'm not, I'm not like, I'm not Like, the opposite of a germaphobe. But, like, the truth is, if I drop something on the floor, based on where we are, I will still pick it up and eat it. Like, if I. If I drop a piece of candy on the floor. Like, if I drop a skittle on the floor in my own home, I will pick the Skittle up and eat

[A]

it in my own home. I'll do that.

[C]

Like, I would do it and. And I would do it in certain people's homes. I probably wouldn't do it outside. No, I wouldn't do it outside, but if I dropped a Skittle in, like, someone's home, I would probably pick it up and eat it. If I dropped. I mean, what.

[A]

I would not know that they did not, like, allow shoes inside. I would. If it's a home that you let people walk inside with your shoes, I'm not doing it.

[C]

I would not eat something that hits the ground and, like, splatters. Like, if it hits the ground and it leaves like. Like a piece of pizza.

[A]

Like, if it fell face down or

[C]

something, that would leave stains. Like, if. Like a piece of pizza. Yeah, definitely if it fell face down. Because if it leaves splatter, then it will pick up hair and stuff. Whereas a Skittle won't pick up hair.

[A]

Yeah, I agree with that.

[C]

And I will say this, too. When I go to someone's house, sometimes I think, germaphobe, I know they're not doing on purpose, but some of the things German folks are just doing too much. It's like the people who are like. It's like. It's like the. I wouldn't call it like, the Hygiene Olympics, because I think that germaphobia is, like, actually rooted in a real. Like, I don't think germaphobia is rooted. From what I've seen, it's not rooted in any performance. Whereas I think that sometimes the people who are competing in the Hygiene Olympics are, like, performing their cleanness. But I do think that germaphobia just seems like a. It's not a great way to live your life. It just kind of shuts you down. You lose your. I don't know, you lose a certain social aspect of your life. That being said. Go ahead.

[A]

Nothing. People who like actual germaphobia, like, who actually have the phobia of germs. I don't think. I don't think. I don't think I'm a germaphobe, but I'm definitely averse to. I don't think.

[C]

Is germaphobia a real term?

[A]

I mean, I Thought it was.

[C]

I think it's kind of like a colloquial.

[A]

If it can be a fear of holes. Being afraid of germs does not seem crazy.

[C]

No, that is. No, it's not.

[D]

Mystophobia.

[C]

Yeah. Germaphobe has kind of become like a.

[A]

What's mystophobia? The scare, the fear of German.

[C]

It's literally the actual word for germaphobia.

[A]

Got it.

[C]

So I certainly don't have any. But I will say this. When I go to someone's house, that does not make you take your shoes off. I appreciate it so much. I appreciate it so much.

[A]

Couldn't be me.

[C]

I'm not saying you don't like, you don't appreciate going. Sometimes you don't take your shoes off.

[A]

Like, if me doing it. I mean, appreciate is a strong word. Like taking the shoes off. I always wear socks anyway, so taking the shoes off or keeping them on. I'm not like, oh, thank God I get to keep my shoes on. I guess I never thought about it. I'm not like, oh, thank God. You know what I mean? I'm not like, I really appreciate this.

[C]

I am. I'm like, oh, this is great. Like, I'm glad I can keep my shoes on. There is a doctor's office I used to go to in New York City that makes you take your shoes off. And I'm like, this is too much.

[A]

That's a little wild.

[C]

Where? Shoes off. Office. I'm like, oh, my God.

[A]

That's a little. That's. That's a little crazy.

[C]

This is wild.

[A]

Yeah, this is wild. But. But I like.

[C]

But I like, I like being able to keep my shoes on it. When I walk in, like, she's up there. Like, no, just keep them on. I'm like, oh, did you.

[A]

God. Did you. Did you ever cheat on test in school?

[C]

No, Never? Not once.

[A]

I showed it in college, girl.

[C]

Never. Not once.

[A]

Music theory is so hard. RCA Dewan. We were all a part of the cheating ring. So what happened was because anyone who does music, theater, music, the. And music history, they just. And voice science, everything, they're very hard classes. So for like, music historiography, we called it like. So we would do the test, and I turn everyone in. I turn everyone onto this. I would get these folders, but they were clear. And you got to, like, have something to write on. The folders were clear. I would put all my notes on a piece of paper and put it in the back of the folder. So when you close it, it was the thing you see at the Top. And I would just be on that test. Like and again, I didn't know what was on the test. So sometimes like maybe like 40% or maybe like 30% of information I did was on there. But the rest of it, you're kind of just like fuck. But for some of it, I would have it on my little, on my little cheat thing.

[C]

When I was in school, there's a teacher who would allow open book tests and I think that's actually a really good policy because like is the point to make people retain information or is the point to give people the ability to research information? Yeah, what's the point of the class? Like, is the point of the class to remember every single thing or is the point to be able to give people the tools to be able to research something and look it up if they need to?

[A]

I don't think I ever had, I don't, I had to have, I don't know if I've ever had an open book test. I had to have though.

[C]

I mean we used to have them and I mean not actually classes that were near mine or I had a few classes that would, that would allow open book tests test like specifically in history and stuff like that. And honestly I think it's a really good policy for to let kids because it gives them, it gives it, you're giving them the tools to do research. I mean or take home test.

[A]

I, I, I, maybe a take home test. I think an open book test makes a little more sense like using your notes because then after we, you learn the lesson, you know, you have the, you have the freedom to go home and take notes and like really expand upon the knowledge you've been, you've been learning. So open book tests, that makes, that makes sense.

[C]

And the last thing I'll say is I used to love pop quizzes because I am really good at retaining information. Pop quizzes used to get me so

[A]

you a pop quiz. So if you could, you're gonna retain. But you weren't good at doing the, the test. But a pop.

[C]

I never said it wasn't good. I said, I just think open book tests are a great policy. I've always been great at testing because I'm really good at retaining information. Like if one thing I can do is remember something and I've been very good at retaining information like my whole life.

[A]

Well, if you retain information like you retain water, you're probably really good at it.

[C]

Gonna let that one sit there and let that, let you all absorb that.

[A]

Yeah. Like you, like you did that water. Just kind of let this way make me hotter.

[C]

Just going to let that sit there. All right, it said long enough. Thank you all for your listen to the podcast today.

[D]

Thank you. Bye.

[B]

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