The One About Cheating

Summary

Sibling Rivalry – “The One About Cheating”

Date: September 1, 2025
Hosts: Monét X Change & Bob the Drag Queen
Podcast Description: Two Drag Race legends, Monét X Change and Bob the Drag Queen, serve up their signature humor and unfiltered takes as the intensely hilarious “non-siblings” with infectious chemistry on Sibling Rivalry.

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Episode Overview

In this laughter-packed episode, Monét and Bob dig into the concept of “cheating”—not just in relationships, but in wigs, drag, games, family traditions, and school. True to form, the duo bounce between playful accusations, real talk, and raunchy jokes, revealing much about their personal boundaries, friendship dynamics, and the values they live by. Expect sharp wit, candid confessions, and a few classic moments of friendly bickering.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Cheating in Relationships

• Defining Cheating:
  The queens open the main conversation (22:24) with a debate on the definition of cheating, agreeing it’s about breaking the "agreed upon boundaries" of any relationship.

  • Monét's Google AI definition:
    “Breaking the agreed upon boundaries of the relationship, which can involve emotional or physical intimacy with someone outside the relationship.” (24:18)

• Personal Experience:

  • Bob: Never cheated—claims he's always followed the rules set in his relationships, often in open or poly arrangements (22:26–23:04).
    “I’ve never done anything outside of what me and my partners have agreed to.” (22:50)
  • Monét: Also says she's never cheated, qualifying that "situationships" don’t count unless exclusivity was established (23:11, 23:34).
  • They agree that emotional boundaries are as important as physical ones.

• Relationship Rules:

  • Bob & Jacob’s Policies:
    • Always communicate when things get serious with someone else.
    • No eye contact during hookups (jokingly) (25:44).
    • Nothing with friends is explicitly forbidden, but honesty is essential.
  • Monét & Andy’s Rules:
    • Only open when not together; fully monogamous when together (27:29).
    • No hookups with friends—Monét: “I put friends in a friend box and hookups in a hookup box.” (27:57)

• On Whether Hookup Partners Can Become Friends:

  • Monét is firm: “That has never happened… you’re an associate, a coworker.” (28:08)
  • Bob teases: “To any Monét’s hookups… just know that you were literally nothing but a piece of meat in her hotel bed.” (28:23)

2. Cheating in Drag: Wigs & Appearance

• The Wig Meltdown:
  • Huge tangent (06:32–12:48) about “lace melting” on TikTok, expensive theater laces, and the racial/economic politics of lace front wigs.
  • Bob laments the “invisible lace” arms race and the pressure for queens to mask their wigs: “Once your lace is not completely invisible, somehow you have failed at the art of… wigging, which I think is just like, girl, y’all need to calm down.” (08:31)
  • Monét credits TikTok for making quality wigs more accessible, discusses doubling up glueless wigs for more volume as a ‘big-headed’ queen (11:50–12:48).
• Wigs and Grace Lore:
  • Both recall early Drag Race seasons where Gloria (Wigs and Grace) would photograph queens in dozens of wigs for the site—a rite of passage (14:26–15:41).
  • Amusing lipstick name misunderstanding: “Blankety sounds like you’re blanking on the name and don’t want to tell me… Velvet Teddy sounds like a lipstick name.” (16:29–17:03)

3. Cheating in Games

• Bob Admits to Cheating (Sparingly):

  • Once, Bob and Jacob “cheated” in Among Us by sitting together and sharing information (37:00). “Jacob and I cheated one time in Among Us during lockdown… and someone got really mad at us and reported us.” (37:40)

• Accusations Fly at Monét’s House:

  • Bob claims Monét’s partner Andy cheats at game night. They bicker over whether rule-breaking equaled cheating or honest mistakes.
    • Bob: “Everyone who plays at that house knows Andy cheats. Everyone. This is… everyone but you, actually.” (40:33)
    • Monét: “What? I just don’t remember that!” (40:30)

• Cheating in Family or Childhood:

  • Jacob chimes in: his mom used to teach him to cheat at Candyland (48:09):
    “My mom used to cheat at Candy Land… you stack the cards, you’re guaranteed to pull a Queen Frostine.” (48:15)
  • Bob and Monét never experienced encouraged cheating at home.

4. Cheating in School

• Monét’s Music School Hack:
  • “I showed out in college, girl!” (Cheated using notes hidden in a clear folder during tests.) (54:44) “Anyone who does music, theater… knows how hard those classes are… I would put all my notes on a piece of paper and put it in the back of the folder…” (54:48)
• Bob: Never Cheated, Favors Open-Book Tests.
  • “Is the point to give people the ability to research information?” (55:39)
  • Bob boasts about his memory and loving pop quizzes (57:00–57:15).

5. Hygiene Tangent: Germaphobia

• Beer Pong & Floor Food:
  • Monét: Thinks beer pong is gross due to unwashed balls and floors; Bob: Not a germaphobe, will eat off the floor if it “passes the eye test” (50:38–52:21).
  • Lively debate over whether germaphobia is “real,” and what makes someone a stickler for cleanliness (53:15).

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• Monét (to Bob, recurring): “You nasty, nasty woman. You are so nasty.” (02:29–02:57)
• Bob, after Monét describes her ‘friend box’:
  “To any Monét’s hookups… just know that you were literally nothing but a piece of meat in her hotel bed.” (28:23)
• Monét, about hookups:
  “A juicy piece of meat that I sucked the nut out of… that I stuck in my ass and rode that motherfucker into the sunset…” (28:30)
• On the “Velvet Teddy” lipstick mix-up:
  “Blankety sounds like you’re blanking on the name… but Velvet Teddy sounds like a lipstick name.” (16:29)
• Jacob, on Candyland cheating:
  “You stack the cards, you’re guaranteed to pull a Queen Frostine… then you just go from there, and it’s a pretty easy scoop.” (48:09)
• Banter about correcting each other’s speech or flaws:
  • Monét: “You have made me self-conscious about my speech...”
  • Bob: “You may have apologized, but you didn’t stop.” (41:24–42:15)
• Bob, on memory:
  “If one thing I can do is remember something… I’ve been very good at retaining information my whole life.” (57:09)
• Monét, slamming Bob’s water retention:
  “If you retain information like you retain water, you’re probably really good at it.” (57:15)

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Timestamps for Important Segments

• Start of "Cheating" in relationships: 22:23
• Open/Polyamorous rules talk: 24:43–27:20
• Wigs and melting lace deep dive: 06:32–12:48
• Game cheating stories: 37:00–41:02
• Debate: Andy cheats at game night? 39:36–41:02
• Family culture around cheating: 48:00
• Monét’s test cheating confession: 54:44
• Bob on open book tests & memory: 55:39–57:15

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Final Thoughts

This episode blends the duo’s signature humor with honest disclosures about love, friendship, and the rules—written or unwritten—that hold relationships and games together. The line between “cheating” and cleverness is as blurry as the definition of lace “realness” in drag. Expect authentic insight, plenty of shade, and riotous laughter throughout.

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Transcript

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[Monet X Change]

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[Bob the Drag Queen]

My name is Bob the Drag Queen.

[Monet X Change]

And I'm Monet X Change and this is simply rivalry.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

On this week's episode, Monet tries flat tummy tea to surprising results.

[Monet X Change]

We talk about cheating and we find.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Out what made Monet say this.

[Monet X Change]

You nasty, nasty woman. And we find out what made Bob say this.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

You just crushed someone's heart. How do you feel, darling? Hold my hand.

[Monet X Change]

Let me tell you something, you fucking slick, oily, greasy ass fucking bitch. Excuse you. Yes. No, excuse me.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Wait, hold on, I gotta. Sorry, I know I didn't clean up too much.

[Monet X Change]

Bitch. You fucking oily slick nasty.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Now you gotta clean up.

[Monet X Change]

You nasty, nasty woman. You are so nasty. You are nasty.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Guess who? Back in the house.

[Monet X Change]

You are a nasty human being.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

And that is sweet to St. Lucia. Do a wide shot, Jay.

[Monet X Change]

How nasty this Bitch is so I. Out of the kindness of my heart. I was like, hey, girl, there's this outfit here I have in my house. I was like, I don't wear hips anymore, so it doesn't, like, fit me well. I was like, domino made. It's a really great outfit. Do you want it?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Beautiful garment, and I'm very grateful. Thank you.

[Monet X Change]

I was like. And then he plans to come over later. I was like, you know what? Why don't he just look at it when you come over to my house later? Instead of just exciting. He's like, okay, great. Bob comes over, we go to my drag lab as I'm sitting right here, and then we look at the outfit, and if I was like, oh, yeah, this is great. And then we bring it inside. And then. Why did you come back? It's. Cause you didn't get it. Then you get it. You got it when you were like, I need to go back to your garage for the. Why did you say, you need to go back to my. To the drag lab? What did you forget?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Look at all your beautiful shoes. No, I forgot something.

[Monet X Change]

Yeah, you say you forgot something, and I was like, oh, yeah, you can just go, like. You can just go in there, get it yourself. Like, okay. Like, here's why I should have.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

No, I grabbed it. When I grabbed it, I actually did forget something. I genuinely forgot something. I actually grabbed it the first time.

[Monet X Change]

Oh, did you really?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Yeah. You forget? Yeah, I don't remember. It doesn't matter.

[Monet X Change]

You nasty, nasty woman. You know what? What's that name? What's that lady name from Double Jeopardy?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Who? Double Jeopardy?

[Monet X Change]

Yeah, the movie Double Jeopardy.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Oh, I never. I didn't know there was a movie called Double Jeopardy. I thought you meant Double Jeopardy on Jeopardy.

[Monet X Change]

No, Double Jeopardy movie.

[Jacob]

It looks like the lead actress is Ashley Judd.

[Monet X Change]

Yeah. Ashley Judd was right about you when she did the women's march, you were a nasty, nasty woman. That's you, a nasty woman.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

You're basically saying what Trump said about Hillary Clinton. Such a nasty woman.

[Monet X Change]

No, but Ashley Judd reclaimed it, so I'm giving you the grace of having the reclamation.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Trump says, such a nasty woman. And actually, Judd said, nasty, nasty woman.

[Monet X Change]

Yes. And I literally just said, you're a nasty, nasty woman. Because you are. You're deceitful, you're hateful.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

You bulletin when you've been bested, and this is not really the. This is not sportsmanlike of you.

[Monet X Change]

I came out here this morning to get myself ready for the podcast, and y', all, I was like, something feels different in here. I'm like, what is up in this room?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I was like, something feels right in here.

[Monet X Change]

I was like, the feng shui is off in here. Something feels strange.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

So you acknowledge that having this in your space makes you feel better. You acknowledge that having this in your workspace makes you more productive.

[Monet X Change]

You're nasty. Well played.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

This pillow is fantastic. I'm obsessed with this pillow. It's so good.

[Monet X Change]

That's what I started hating it.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I. This is my pillow. I've had this pillow for a long time.

[Monet X Change]

Anyway, how was your morning so far?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I think I got. I'm pretty sure I got that pillow in Portland, but I also mean, I think I took that picture in Portland. My morning's been great. I haven't done a whole ton. I woke up, got ready, came here.

[Monet X Change]

I get up out of bed.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Are you gonna say anything about this wonderful hair unit you're wearing?

[Monet X Change]

So I started drinking flat tummy tea, guys.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

And that'll be kindness of my heart.

[Monet X Change]

And I literally woke up this morning and just had a head full of hair. And I locked it up all this morning. Isn't that crazy? Flat tummy tea from flat tummy tea, girl. The magic of flat tummy tea. If you drink your flat tummy tea, you will have a big stomach, but you have a full head of hair.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

And a little bit of lace, too.

[Monet X Change]

What lace? What lace? Honey, this is. This. This is giving a lot of roach.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Can I just say, too, like, I was wearing one of my wigs out of Dragon. Someone was like, we see your lace. And I was like, okay. Like, I saw this one girl who's like, we can see her lace. She goes, yeah, it's a lace front. Like, why are you. Like, it's. Yeah, if you melt your lace shirt, but also, girl, it's a lace front wig. Like, why do girls have to act? Why do women or queens or anyone out there wearing a wig or the queens who are women, yada yada blasey blah blah. Or just the guys who want to wear them and have to act like they're not wearing lace fronts.

[Monet X Change]

I will say that new TikTok wig melting thing looks insane. Like, I never tried this. This new lace melting thing that they're selling on TikTok. But it looks insane. Like, you put your wig on and they put this thing on the lace and it literally looks like. It looks like it is your scalp. It's kind of.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I think that's good for. That sounds good for your skin melting plastic into your scalp.

[Monet X Change]

It also sounds great but also, I don't think these are people wearing wigs like us. Like, I think these are like one and done frontals that they use. I don't think they're like.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

So wearing, Wearing a melting lace into your scalp for two weeks at a time sounds even healthier.

[Monet X Change]

For you, to your point? I think, I think, I think because people are trying to. People always want to like, give scalp. Like that's the thing. They want to give realness and they want to like, seem like the hair is growing from their scalp. I think that's always been a thing of lace front. Right? That's why people really marvel at Bianca the Real, because Bianca the Real will have the lace down to her, down to her, the tip of her nose. But you can't like even on sometimes in person like Bianca. This is very impressive. I think it's impressive that once people have lace and you can't see because like, you're obviously doing some, some type, some type of technique that a lot of people, a lot of us, including myself, cannot achieve.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I agree that it's impressive, but where I start to cringe is in people who are acting like, because you have not been able to achieve this thing, that you are somehow less than or not good. Being able to have an invisible lace. I do think part of it is your skin color. I genuinely think that because they make laces and colors for certain people. And I think the other part is once, once your lace is not completely invisible, somehow you have failed at the art of wearing of a wigging, of wearing a wig, which I think is just like, girl, y' all need to calm down. It's a lace front. It's fine to see someone's lace. It's really not that big of a deal.

[Monet X Change]

I mean, I don't know about the color theme because I think there's a lot of black girls that, that have dark skin and is melted. I think, I think, I think it's more so an indication of your. What you can afford status. I think that if you can afford the really expensive super HD transparent theater.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

[Monet X Change]

Lace, then of course you should theater laces.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

The theater laces are not. They're not transparent. The theater laces are the color of your. They're the color of your skin. So, so, so in theater, they take these markers sometimes and they will. First of all, you have the bio lace that is the, that is closer to you. And then you take the markers and then you color the color the lace to match your skin tone as Best as best you can.

[Monet X Change]

Yeah. Which is what Bianca the real does. I had a whole thing with Bianca. She's like, yeah, girl, go to this place and get this. Blah, blah, blah. And to be honest, it just sounded like so much. I was like, bianca, I was like, I'll just stick with what I got. I'm not mad at what I got going on. I'm up in these lace front streets and happy with what I look like. Bianca goes the extra mile to make sure that her shit is unclockable. Like, she really does a lot of work. And you know what? Good for her. Good for her.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I do think that. Yeah. I mean, I was on this kick to be like, I will get the best lace. I remember I was on my, like, I'm going to get my invisible lace fantasy popping. This is what I was learning to ventilate when I was ventilating my. And for a while, there were. They were in Harlem selling these, like, Plasticky. Like, when I say plasticky, I don't mean like, like, like polyester plastic. I mean, like, like, looks like plastic lace front wigs in Harlem for a while. And I found this one wig brand I think it might have been. It's a wig or something where they were selling these hard, hard, like, lace front wigs. And they looked. They were a perfect match to my skin tone. They were like, a perfect match. So I was using those, and I was ventilating, and I was, like, adding hair by, you know, re. Ventilating those. Those wigs. But then I couldn't find those wigs anymore. And I was like, you know what? It's over. Well, it's over.

[Monet X Change]

Where's that from? Well, it's over.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

But I was even. I was even. I was even getting. Well, it's over. It's a Nina Bonina Brown.

[Monet X Change]

Me.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

And I was even. I was even buying. I was, like, going to the store, trying to match the lace and, like, getting the markers, and I just could not. And I was getting professionals to help me. But for whatever reason, between me and the professionals, my skin tone was never matched. Only by that one wig company was it.

[Monet X Change]

It's a wig.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I can't remember. Only by that one wig company. That's. That I found wigs at. At Orange Beauty on 125. And now I can't even find those wigs anymore. So, yeah.

[Monet X Change]

I. Y', all. I. I do a lot of TikTok wigs now. I think a lot of Tik Tok TikTok has made. The wig game has changed. My wig game, it's just made finding wigs more accessible and, like, easy ones. A lot of the wigs I wear now are the glueless ones because I'm not on stage sh. Popping and splitting and dipping and flipping around anymore. So doing a glueless wig. A lot of. A lot of the really nice ones that y' all see are that y' all see me. Oh, my God, Monet, where'd you get the wig? They literally TikTok wigs, and sometimes they literally only have wigs from hair to hair. But I'm a middle part girly, so it works for me and Ty and I love my little TikTok wigs. And what I would do is a little. I mean, it's not a secret. Everyone knows this. I would just. I. Because I'm a bigger lady, I buy two of them and we just put them together. Either we'll sew them together, Ty will sew them together, or we will attach. We'll take the lace front off of one and attach the whole back of the cap to the other one so it looks longer and bigger and fuller. But they're usually TikTok wigs with just a. Just.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

You had a question?

[Monet X Change]

A 4 inch lace. 4 inch wide lace here.

[Jacob]

Okay. So in the same way, it's hard to find heels because most drag queens are. Have larger feet than the demographic buying heels. Is that a thing with wigs where, like, a queen with really, really big heads just cannot find wigs?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

No, that is a thing.

[Monet X Change]

That is a thing. Latrice Ray, if you look at All Stars 4, she, like, a lot of times, literally, like regular wigs that we had, they would not fit on the streets. And I have a pretty big head and my legs would even go to, like, hair on the trees. So I think they probably have to get custom, custom hairlines or.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

A lot of. Y' all don't realize if you have a big head and you were able to buy a, a, a larger lace front from wigs and grays, you can thank kimchi for that. Kimchi worked with wigs and grace, I believe I. I might want to double fact check this to make a wider lace to fit bigger heads. Because kimchi. I don't know if y' all know this or not, but Kim Chi. On season eight of Drag Race, kimchi were almost exclusively wigs and grace wigs the entire season.

[Monet X Change]

Yeah. And. But even now, I mean, y'. All. But I think even lace front companies, they're starting to make wider ones. Like, for example, when we did the season Finale. What season was Robin. Robin Fierce on 14. Whatever season Robin Fierce was on where we were talking about Watcher. Remember, y', all when she came to the reunion and her lace was like down to hair? I think a lot of lace companies now, they make their stuff make them longer for so. For so more people can fit the lace fronts and you can.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

She had the kimchi. Cause her. Cause her. Her lace was. Her lace was going past her ears. It went up past her ears.

[Monet X Change]

Oh, my God. This y'. All. So what y' all know? So Wigs and Grace, this went. This back in the heyday when Wigs and Grace was like the thing, right? So when you went on a season, I think they started season or they maybe started season eight, what they did was when you were on the season when before the ca was announced. But, you know, every. All. All the girlies knew who was on Gloria from Wings. And Grace would fly you to Dallas, she would put you up, and she would give you like eight styled wigs and give you a bunch of not styled wigs on the condition that you would come and she would photograph you in every single wig, color and style. So you're there for like a full day, like eight hour shoot, and you're putting on like 50 plus wigs on your head. And she took a picture of you. And those are the pictures. She was on the website. So I did it. Naomi Smalls did it. Shea did it. Sasha Velour did it. Asia o' Hara did it. Cracker did it. Plastique did it. I think she did it from like seasons 8. Is that Katya on the left?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

No, I don't think so.

[Monet X Change]

So, yeah, so a lot go to. If y' all go to the Wig and the Girls website, it's gonna see a bunch of Drag Race girls because Gloria will put us in these hairs. And you just sit there, you know.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

That is at the bottom, right, Mona?

[Monet X Change]

Yeah, that's Gloria. Yeah. And she will take pictures of you in the thing. So these cursed images.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Oh, actually, I don't look that bad.

[Monet X Change]

I look so skinny.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

She invited almost everyone. Almost everyone.

[Monet X Change]

Almost everyone. I think Brooklyn Hydes did it too. Oh, Layla McQueen did it too. Oh, my God. When Layla used to do her to the heart and then the beauty mark.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I don't remember the beauty mark, but I remember the heart for sure. Yeah, it was one of her little. Her little. Her little stamps, too.

[Monet X Change]

Oh, my God. That's when I was into my fucking. I was upset. Obsessed with sepia. Sepia, that, like dark nudie White, brown color. I was obsessed with that.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Why don't you wear it anymore?

[Monet X Change]

I just have gone past that. I'm more of like a peachy nude now.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Years ago, when they told me that she used to wear this lipstick, and I was like, what is that? She was like, blankety. And I was like, okay, if you're not going to tell me, just don't tell me it's called Blankety. I was like, all right, money, if you don't want to tell me the name of the lipstick, then we can just move on with our lives. Because I'm asking you, this color. I like it. And you're saying, oh, it's Blankety. Blankety Blank. Anyway, it was fully called Blankety.

[Monet X Change]

I wish. And then the next day I was like, oh, Bob, I like that one. What are you wearing? He's like, velvet Teddy. I was like, oh, so Blankety's crazy, but Velvet Teddy's all right.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Velvet Teddy sounds like a. Like a lipstick name. Blankety sounds like you're like. Like you're blanking on the name and you don't want to tell me.

[Monet X Change]

No, wait, what world is Velvet Teddy more legitimate than Blankety Girl?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Like, what in this one?

[Monet X Change]

You're so ridiculous.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Blankety sounds. You're like, blankety Blank. Velvet Teddy. Which, by the way, I still work to this day, I have not moved past Velvet Teddy.

[Monet X Change]

Well, do they still make it?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

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[Monet X Change]

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[Bob the Drag Queen]

I think it feels. Yeah, this feels very odd to me because even in FaceTime calls, you're not staring at the camera on a FaceTime call, you're staring at the person you're talking to.

[Monet X Change]

I think, I mean, I think, you know, but, but, you know.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I mean, I can't see myself, so I don't know how I look. And I can't see you because I don't know how you look. Jacob, can you chime in on how this feels as a viewer?

[Monet X Change]

I will say this.

[Jacob]

It looks like you're just looking at. It looks kind of like you're looking at each other. I think the issue is when we're used to seeing FaceTime with the Apple technology, the camera's built right into our screen, so your eye level and eyeline is actually closer to the camera. When we're podcasting, we're using nicer cameras and it's a little bit harder to get a great eyeline and set up the shot. So you're always looking a little bit further off than we're used to for a FaceTime call. So it doesn't look crazy. It looks like we would be if we were doing this on FaceTime or if you weren't were using regular cameras. But like, it's not.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Yeah, yeah, I get it. I mean, if you a little high by the way, Jacob.

[Jacob]

This is me. This is me looking at you. Am I looking. It does look like I'm looking at the camera or beneath it.

[Monet X Change]

It looks like.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

You look like you're looking at. This looks correct. What are you doing? It looks correct. Yeah.

[Monet X Change]

And are you looking at the camera or are you looking at the screen? He's lying.

[Jacob]

I'm looking at the camera.

[Monet X Change]

Oh. Oh, you're looking at the camera or the screen?

[Jacob]

I'm looking at the screen, but, like, below the camera. Now I'm looking at Bob. Now I'm looking at Monet. And I'm looking at the camera.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

But you're on a laptop. Monet's on a Monet. Okay, just so y' all know, Monet is on a giant desktop. I am on a desktop, but my camera is complete. Monet's camera is. Monet's using her FaceTime or whatever they call the camera.

[Jacob]

Are we using a FaceTime camera?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Monet work.

[Monet X Change]

Yeah. This is good quality because it's the, it's the imac. So it goes up to 1080p.

[Jacob]

Dang. Okay.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I am using a desktop and a Sony camera. So this is me. I mean, for those of you listening, I'm so sorry. This is me looking at Monet. This is me looking at my camera. To me, this feels like a. Like it looks like I'm looking. I can't see myself. I honestly don't know how I look. I have no clue how I look now.

[Monet X Change]

How you look?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I don't know. Tell me.

[Monet X Change]

I think it looks fine. You know, it does look weird, but.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I can't react to anything you're doing because I can't see you.

[Monet X Change]

What did I just do?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I don't know. I just said I can't see you.

[Monet X Change]

Why do you have so much attitude about it, though?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I think you're sensitive about it.

[Monet X Change]

Oh, wow.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Have you considered that?

[Monet X Change]

Okay, Bob.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

What?

[Monet X Change]

Have you ever cheated on a partner?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I've never been in a position to cheat. I mean, I guess I have been in a position to cheat. I, I guess we need to define what cheating is first.

[Monet X Change]

You know what?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Let's no for ourselves, because if you say she's gonna be like, we're not playing by the rules or something like that, which I guess if I, if I, I, I, I, I haven't done anything outside of what me and my partners have agreed to. No. So I don't know. I've. I've never cheated on a partner.

[Monet X Change]

I mean, have you? I mean, have you? Even when you were Even when you were. I mean, Jacob's your first boyfriend, so. Yeah. You've always been open, so I guess there's no cheating.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Yeah.

[Monet X Change]

Wow.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

So now I've never cheated on my partner. Not once.

[Monet X Change]

Wow.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I don't think I've ever put myself in a position to cheat.

[Monet X Change]

Fair.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Have you ever cheated on a partner before?

[Monet X Change]

No.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Would you admit. Would you admit to cheating on a partner though, here on the podcast?

[Monet X Change]

I would for sure.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

You've never cheated on anyone and never, not once?

[Monet X Change]

No. In a relationship? Long term relationships? Like. No, I don't think I have. I mean, I mean.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Oh, my God. You like my serious long term relationship. Have you ever cheated on anyone? I didn't say exclusively in your serious long term relationships.

[Monet X Change]

I mean, have you ever cheated, like a situationship, like, but we weren't. We weren't official, so, like. No.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Have you ever been in a relationship or situationship with someone where it was clear to you and that person that you were not having sex with anyone else and you did it anyway?

[Monet X Change]

No, that's never happened.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Because if you are hooking up with someone and you hook up with. But you are. You guys aren't partners and you hook up someone else, that's not cheating.

[Monet X Change]

Say it again. If you. If you're.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

What? If you have a situationship.

[Monet X Change]

Right.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

And you have sex with someone else, that's not cheating?

[Monet X Change]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly. Because you're not. You're not. You're not. We're not exclusive. We're not. Yeah.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Because I would say, I mean, I. I don't know the exact. The like Webster, you know, Oxford Miriam, definition of the word. But I'm assuming it's like cheating is like basically going outside of the rules, regulations, or agreements of a deal.

[Monet X Change]

This is what Chachi BT says. Well, when I Google it, the AI thing, breaking the agreed upon boundaries of the relationship, which can involve emotional or physical intimacy with someone outside the relationship. So. Yeah. So cheating is not only like going to someone else, it can be. You can emotionally cheat on your partner.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Yeah, I've not done that.

[Monet X Change]

So. Have you ever had rules in your openness about. I guess. No. Y' all have just been fully, like, you can do whatever. We have rules.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

What the hell you think we just animals?

[Monet X Change]

I thought. Okay, my understanding of your openness was that we're open and we're polyamorous, so we are. So you guys are. But like, in terms of like, as your friend, what I understood your openness to be was that y' all had no rules around, like, who you can and cannot hook up with emotionally or physically. And you guys can. And you don't have to, like, yeah, sorry. There were no rules about who you can and cannot hook up with emotionally, physically, and you can do it with as many or as little people as you want to. So, like, I guess what are the rules then that I don't. I'm not. So what rules are there that I don't know that they are? Like, you can it. Can it not be friends?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Well, we communicate. We always openly communicate. If you start dating someone, you let them know once it's starting to get serious, you tell them if. If you're dating, like, specifically around dating. Like, if you're dating someone and they start to feel like it's going to become a relationship, you will. You'll tell the partner. And I don't know that we've established that as a rule, but we definitely have a policy in our relationship about communicating 100%.

[Jacob]

And then for hookups, everything is fine. Just no eye contact.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Yeah.

[Monet X Change]

Oh, wow. Okay. So. So. So the one rule is that when y' all are getting serious with. So I guess at that point it's a Two rules.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

The eye contact.

[Monet X Change]

Got it. Eye contact. And the second one is that if y' all getting serious, you have to let the other per. The other people know.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Yeah. I mean, we haven't sat down and said, this is our rule, but we've done it every time, so.

[Monet X Change]

So. Bitch. That's why I said I didn't know that was a rule. You didn't.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

You.

[Monet X Change]

You didn't even say it was a rule.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Well, it is a. I would call it a policy. I would call it an understood policy. Would you agree to that, Jacob?

[Jacob]

Absolutely.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Yeah.

[Monet X Change]

Got it. So has that sort of. Has that ever happened, like, with, like, Tao and the other boyfriends you've had? Have you, like. Have you ever, like, lapsed on, like, I guess what is serious? Serious is like.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Oh, like, I would say the first time I dated someone else, I. No, I communicated with Jacob about it, but it was our first time ever navigating it ever. So there were some bumps there, but we. But I did communicate about it, but we were just really newly navigating what it means to introduce another paramour or a partner into our dynamic.

[Monet X Change]

Got it.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

But I don't think there was any. There was no dishonesty.

[Monet X Change]

No. Got it. Okay.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

And there was a lot of openness, but we were definitely finding out what it means to, in practice, have another person be a part of the polycule.

[Monet X Change]

So that is the one. What'd you call it, Position that. So that's. That's the one policy that you have. Everything else is fair game.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I'm sure if as we talk more throughout the episode, I'll, I'll. Something else might come up in my head. You know what I mean?

[Monet X Change]

Got it?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Yeah. I'm sure as we talk more, something else might. Might come up for sure. But that sounds about right. Yeah. For now. How about you? What are your. What are your rules?

[Monet X Change]

We have a few rules. Like, so we, we only like really we're open when we're not together if. And he's out of town or I'm out of town. So when we're both at home together, we're not open. We're fully monogamous. And so. And around that we don't hook up with friends because in our, in my. We think that they may have the tendency to get messy. And also, I'm just. Oh, you know me. I've said this a million times on podcast. I'm just not interested in hooking up with friends. Like I put friends in a friend box and hookups in a hookup box.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

You know, what if a hookup becomes a friend? What if you get friendly?

[Monet X Change]

That doesn't really. That has never happened to this date in all my.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I don't remember our bombastic sex we used to have. That's crazy.

[Monet X Change]

I mean. But I wouldn't call you a friend though. You're an associate. You're a coworker.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

So you take one queen from All Stars you're not friends with.

[Monet X Change]

Correct. Ok, so y' all do the math.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

So by the way, to any Monet's hookups who are listening to this, just know that you were literally nothing but a piece of meat in her hotel bed.

[Monet X Change]

Uh huh. A piece of meat all you were. A juicy piece of meat that I suck the nuck the nut out of. A juicy piece of meat that I stuck in my ass and robbed that motherfucker into the sunset. That's.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

And now you're. And now you're expired. Now you're expired.

[Monet X Change]

You're done.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

You mean.

[Monet X Change]

You meant.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

You meant. You literally meant nothing to Monet. You just crushed someone's heart. How do you feel?

[Monet X Change]

Yeah, you better. You better grease and put some oil in the fucking ashy ass knuckles.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Nigga, my knuckles were not ashy at all actually. But I was looking for chapstick because my lips are dry and then my chapstick is. Looks just like my lip balm. I mean my chapstick or my lip balm looks just like my lotion.

[Monet X Change]

Delta. Not Bob using Delta. The Delta chapstick.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

It's actually. Yeah, it's really good. It's grown alchemist. This is really good lotion.

[Monet X Change]

I don't know what grown alchemist is, to be honest.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Google it. It's literally. It's really good lotion. But I don't like the lotion a lot because it is very scented. And, you know, I don't like to wear scents at all. Um, but I was looking for this, but I saw that, and I pulled it. I was like, might as well put something on. And then in that moment, I remembered, my God, this is so fragrant.

[Monet X Change]

Something, I think, something about black people. When you see. When you see another black person put. Put lip chap on, you're like, bitch, I gotta put them on too. Mothers were perfectly fine. But you said the word chaps, and I was like, oh, I'm gonna do it too. And it's almost like. It's almost like yawning. When black people see one black person put it on lip chap, they will do it too.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Do white people not do that?

[Monet X Change]

I don't think they. I don't think they. They use it often.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Do you have a desire to put on chapstick right now?

[Jacob]

I do. I. I was thinking about my lips. I'm like, you know what? My lips are a little dry. I could use some chapstick.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Maybe. It's not a black thing.

[Monet X Change]

It is a black thing. Jacob. Jacob is kind. Y' all know, y'. All. Jacob is half black.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Jacob. There's no blackness in Jacob. But, I mean, every once in a while.

[Monet X Change]

Okay, y' all can complain. Jacob is half black.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I saw this guy yesterday who I thought was black, and I. Some guy who works here in the same building I work at, his brother came in and I saw this guy. He looks like a black version of the guy that I know. Like a black, straight, taller version. And the guy's already tall. The guy's already like, 6, 3, 6, 4. This, like, 6, 5. Black version, straight version of this guy who works. I was like, oh, my God. I was like, oh, yeah, I remember you. We met. He was like, I'm so and so's brother. I was like, oh. And then I was in a group call, and I was like, did y' all know so and so's brother is black? And someone's like, what? I was, yeah, he's black, girl. He. He's like, drake black. And then they were like. And then they're like, he's not. But I said, I think he's black. So then I text him and I was like, is your brother black? And he was like, what? I was like, your brother looks black. He was like, I know he's not black. He just looks black, but he is not black. And I really thought this man was black. I was like, this is a black man. I. I think this is a whole ass black man.

[Monet X Change]

I think it was just. Which I think is one of the beauty of blackness how like black people can look so many. There's so many different ways to look like to, to look black. And I think that's fair. Which, I mean, again, which white people can't really do that. If you're white, you look white. But black people, they're like, no, if.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

You'Re white, you can look black. I just told you I just saw a white guy who looks black.

[Monet X Change]

All right, wait, wait. He was, he was. He was white.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

He's white.

[Monet X Change]

Oh, I thought you did do.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Were you listening to my story at.

[Monet X Change]

All, but from yesterday or were you.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Just waiting to talk?

[Monet X Change]

I think about the details from yesterday. I thought, yes. And when you told me this, we found out that he was black.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

He's not black. You're not listening to my story. He was like, no, girl, he's not black. My brother's not black. He just looks black. My brother's white. He just looks black.

[Monet X Change]

Oh, last time he told me a tale I thought we came up with he was black. Like he had a. He was a half brother or something like that.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Also, in fact, I'll tell you more about it is break.

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[Bob the Drag Queen]

We know for a fact that white people can look like other races. I don't know why you sitting here acting like you don't know that. Everyone thought Richard Oz I was black. Everyone thought that Rachel Dole is all.

[Monet X Change]

But to be fair, she did a lot of things to do that right? She, she, she changed the texture of her hair. She went through. She did a lot of tan. Like she, like, like just everyone's getting sexual there.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

People can't take their hair all the time.

[Monet X Change]

Yeah, but I'm saying that. But normally the black people, the black.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

People who like people change with their hair.

[Monet X Change]

They do. Can I finish my sentence? The black people who may look who, who look like white like they're not. Like it's just their natural thing. They're not changing anything. Like, like they just look like for example Amber Rose, she is a black person. You are a black person. I'm a black person. Like they, like we are all black. But they're the. You don't think Amber Rose is changing.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

The color of her hair?

[Monet X Change]

No. But her. But we've seen Ambrose with, with her natural hair as well. And she looks black.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

She was asking.

[Monet X Change]

Yeah. Yes. It's talking about the. When she, when she shaved her head and it was blonde and she dyed it. Yes. But also when her hair is just her natural hair.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

You don't think Mariah Carey's changing the color. You don't think Mariah Carey changed the color of changing her hair at all.

[Monet X Change]

But Mariah Carey just at her. Without her hair color change, she just looks black. I mean, sorry, she.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

But when Mariah Carey changes things, people start thinking she's white.

[Monet X Change]

What I mean again, I like when.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Mariah Carey started changing stuff. She's. She's looking white.

[Monet X Change]

Like when. Give me a picture.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I have never thought Mariah care looks white, but people think. A lot of people think Mariah care is white. Like a lot of people. Someone just found out right now during this podcast listening to me talk that Mariah Carey is not black. Someone. I mean that Mariah Carey, that Mariah Carey is black. Someone just found out someone was today years old when they found out Mariah Carey was black.

[Monet X Change]

Anyway, my point was to highlight how beautiful and fierce how beautiful the, the spectrum of blackness is and how wonderful it is.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I agree with that. But I want you to defend your point. I want you to feed your point more, please.

[Monet X Change]

No. We have been arguing a lot on this podcast. I would like to move on. Cheating. Have you ever cheated in a video game?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I also want to point out too, what's your name? Doesn't look white either. Bjork. I thought Bjork was Asian for a very long time.

[Monet X Change]

I didn't think Bjork was Asian.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

And a lot of people think when you Google is Bjork, Asian is one of the first things that pops up.

[Monet X Change]

Up. Super. Have you ever cheated in a game before?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Yeah, but normally I don't. I don't, I don't. I don't like when people cheat in games.

[Monet X Change]

I am normally don't scope as daddy. Yeah, I, I want to know the time.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I mean, one time me and Jacob cheated at the game among us. That's like the one that st my mind. I cheated at the game among us one time.

[Monet X Change]

Among us. What the is among us?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Among us is kind of like mafia, but on the phone and over the Internet.

[Monet X Change]

Among us.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Among us. Like there's someone among us.

[Monet X Change]

The thing where you like in like the little spacesuits. Oh, among us. I never played that game. I don't even know how do y' all cheat in that when every we.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Entered the same room. We were sitting side by side. So we knew. We knew who the people were.

[Monet X Change]

Oh, God.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Yeah, I suppose I know who anyone is.

[Monet X Change]

Gotta, gotta, gotta, gotta. Got it.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

So Jacob and I cheated one time in among us during lockdown when I was trying to learn how to play the game and I was just being silly and someone got really mad at us and reported us. But also, like, announced, hey, we're cheating. Like, I was like, we're cheating, guys.

[Monet X Change]

Got it.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

And. But I'm normally a really big stickler for the rules. I do feel like when I come to your house for game night, there's a lot of cheating going on.

[Monet X Change]

I'm not engaging on this.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Were you not engaging in the podcast? You asked me if I cheated. I can't ask you, so you can ask me.

[Monet X Change]

You don't ask me if I cheated. That's not what you did. That's not.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I know for a fact that you and your. You that people in your.

[Monet X Change]

Do I cheat?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I say people in your house cheat. I know for a fact that people in your house cheat. Like, for a fact.

[Monet X Change]

No, you don't. Guys. What where you going? Off of hearsay.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

No, not off here. Say off. Also off of seeing, like, he cheated last night when we played.

[Monet X Change]

How did he cheat last night?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

So last night we're playing this game and the Como combo, and there are these four cars. You can only look at two of the cars. So he looked at two, and it was really. It was pretty clear. You can only look at two cars like this. This was not misunderstood. It's not possible.

[Monet X Change]

We all understand that's not true because. So what? Let me. Bob likes to give these, like, little pits of the bits of the story. We're going to play. Bob, Andy and myself are at home. We're going to play Combio. Andy had to finish some work on his thing. So then I started playing the rules for the game on the TV while Andy was working. So Bob and I watched the rules, and Andy did not pay attention to the rules. And then Andy was like, oh, I got done. Let's go play. So we went to play, which we never reviewed the rules for the game with Andy again. So we started playing, and I did say, you can only look at the bottom two cards. And in Andy's offense. When I played the game for the first time too yet, Kim said it, but I was just like. I was like, oh, I have a deck of cards. I'm gonna look at all my cards. And then. So that's what Andy did. He Looked at the bottom two and then looked at the other two, and I was like, babe, you can only look at the bottom two. He was like, oh. And then we reshuffled anyway, so that's not cheating.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

We did not reshuffle.

[Monet X Change]

Well, I can't. Oh. Because. Oh. Because it was also a practice round. So we're like, oh, we're just kind of practice. Because Bob and Annie had never played the game before. I played it before, so they were still trying to figure out the mechanics of the game. So that's the full context.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

That's not the full context, but thank you so much for that small part of it. Because he cheated other times throughout the game, too.

[Monet X Change]

I don't think.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Oh. Oh, you remember now when.

[Monet X Change]

When.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

No, I love that you just. You literally just remember. So Andy would. Would. Would. So there are these rules where you can. Like. Like, it's. The game's hard to explain, but there's a list of rules, and based on what card you pull, you can look at other cars if you want to. You can look at the cards if you don't want to. So there are moments where. Where Andy would try to cheat. We'd have to literally stop him from cheating physically with my hands by snatching off the table. Of course you don't, Monet. Of course you don't. Because that scan. That's. That. Because that scans for you.

[Monet X Change]

What? I. I just don't remember that.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Now, that again, that scans for you. You have a blind spot when your man do something crazy. I will say this. Everybody who plays at that house knows Andy cheats. Everyone. This is. Everyone but you, actually. Everyone but you. That is a lot.

[Monet X Change]

Jacob, you know Andy to be a cheater in the games, and everyone knows the two of y' all to be sneaky and shady. What does that mean? It's real. Yeah. Silence.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

That silence wasn't for you, Mo.

[Monet X Change]

That sounds. You can ask Taylor.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Taylor's here. Taylor's in the building.

[Monet X Change]

Then I get Andy here to defend himself. But no to defending Sheen behavior. You already started bringing outside people to. Now I'd be so self conscious saying this word to corroborate your point.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Cooper. Wait.

[Monet X Change]

You made me bring it down here.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

What are you going to do? Cheat?

[Monet X Change]

You made me so self conscious about how I say words, which is honestly. Do you feel good about yourself?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Myself right now?

[Monet X Change]

That how you have made me self conscious about how about my speech? And as someone who I've confided in you that I have a speech impediment, you continue to make fun of my speech, which is crazy.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Well, you confided in me that you have a stammer, which I don't really make fun of your stammer anymore. But you. But you're. But you're. But you're.

[Monet X Change]

I really do. You just like. You know, I don't.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

You see? You see?

[Monet X Change]

But if I could talk about your fucking chick ass, I could talk about your chipped ass, too, then. You want to get hurt your feelings.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I'm not hurting my feelings. I have been.

[Monet X Change]

We had a whole thing about how.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

You said about the. It seems like what you're pointing out is you do the same activities.

[Monet X Change]

No, because when we had the thing, I silently apologized.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

You know that's not true.

[Monet X Change]

I removed.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

You didn't stop. You may have apologized, but you didn't stop.

[Monet X Change]

I did stop. When have I made fun of Shippy?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Interesting, because, I mean, I was to court you.

[Monet X Change]

I'll give it to the end of time to find out what I made it.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I. I'll happily do it. First of all, you just brought it up a second ago. Also, way before that, at the end of the. At the end of the episode of the whole thing about miscommunication or whatever it was, or conflict resolution, the very last thing was you. You. You were. You had some crazy question about, so how about your dental work? When have you ever got your teeth fixed or something? It was. It was like. It was this whole episode. We had this whole episode about conflict resolution. And then you like, let's change the subject. Do you ever go to the dentist?

[Monet X Change]

And that's about your chip.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

My teeth? Yes, Monae.

[Monet X Change]

Yes, Monae, I was thinking about your chipped tooth. Bob, you. Oh, my God.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

So you told me. We had a whole podcast about my chipped tooth, and you wanted to change the subject. And the subject was, you ever got your teeth fixed?

[Monet X Change]

Yes, because in that episode, we also talked about, like, the dentist, if you remember going to the dentist. And my love for dentistry became a topic of conversation in the episode. And then we talked about the time that I picked your ass up from your dental surgery. Took time out of my day to pick your ass up from the dentist after you had your four wisdom tooth removed. And then we started talking about the. We started talking about the tour when you had your four teeth impacted or infected, whatever the fuck it was, and how I had to care for you during that as well.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

First of all, you did not care for me on the tour. What did you do on the tour to care for me besides laugh at Me. Every time I was in pain, I.

[Monet X Change]

Would bring you food.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

No, you would not. I would get myself food. You are lying. You are just lying.

[Monet X Change]

You think I never brought you food on that tour?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

No, I don't think you did.

[Monet X Change]

I never brought you food on that tour.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Can you name a time you did? Do you remember walking up to me with food?

[Monet X Change]

Yes.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

When?

[Monet X Change]

When I went to Taco Bell after the show one night.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I brought you on Monae. You're lying. You've never been to Taco Bell in Canada.

[Monet X Change]

Yes, I have.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

You went to Taco Bell in Canada on a tour, but you're just making. You're making up things.

[Monet X Change]

I am not making things up, girl. You are.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Your level of gaslighting and lying. I think what happened was recently, somewhere around the time that me and Jacob clocked that you. That the. That the link wasn't on your website, you have. You have amped up the lying to a crazy degree. Like, you have amped up your lying to a weird. And just. By the way you're putting your hands on your face, that's the face you make when you're. When you're trying to convince me that you're not lying. So there's a thing that Mon. She's acting, which, by the way, it is. It is an effective technique with acting. But I've seen this a lot. You can see it in me and Monet's most recent Samsung ad that we posted. When Monet's lying or acting, she does it where she's like this. I did. I did. You did. It's like the hand to the face thing, which, by the way, is a very effective acting technique. But I clocked when you do this, and you just.

[Monet X Change]

No, because.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Go back and watch Money acting, y'. All. Go back and watch anytime. I'm gonna have to act like she was frustrated. Does she.

[Monet X Change]

What gag. What gags me is that you and Jacob have proven time and time again that y' all are literally up to no good. So now y' all have. I think y' all have convinced y' all selves about the truth, and now you're trying to convince the Internet, which is crazy.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Jacob, do you know how to use the Wayback Machine on Internet?

[Jacob]

Cause I. I can actually do a little bit better. Give me one second. Let me.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Now, before we prove you wrong, do you want to commit. Do you want to admit right now, before we have unrefutable proof that you're lying? Do you want to take this time.

[Monet X Change]

No. Jacob. Have proven how. How conniving. Y' all are.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I'm just saying you have the opportunity right now. And just by the way, just so you all know, everyone, the Internet. There is something on the Internet called the Way Back Machine.

[Monet X Change]

Correct?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

The Way Back Machine lets you see how websites used to be before they change them. So just so you all know, you at home, you let me just finish the statement. You all can go do your own research, please. This is a bit that Monet's doing. She's. She's committed to the bit. So you all see that me and Jacob are not making anything up. Crazy. When you use the Way Back Machine to go to Monet Exchange's website and see that the date was never there, you all do your sneaky stuff. You all will understand that I'm not lying.

[Monet X Change]

Or it wasn't at some point, but the episode that we talked about, it was on there. And.

[Jacob]

If you look in the screenshot, you can see the outfits that you are wearing. You can see the. If you look at the swim pairing.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

This Monet, you're doing, you're doing a bad job.

[Monet X Change]

One person on this podcast has. Does not have a history of doctoring footage, editing footage to make you seem like you were the thing. One person has the history of not doing that. That is Monet Exchange. Now, you don't have the ability, and you don't have the ab.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

The history, the ability.

[Monet X Change]

I've gone through extensive. Many times editing pictures to. To make sure to make a ring look like it was yours. That was mine. That y' all have doctored footage and videos on this podcast. Y' all have did that. So, you know, this is a bed that you have created, so you sleep and lie in it.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

You know what? I think that the comments below can tell that you're. That you're spiraling out, because.

[Monet X Change]

Spiraling out, one of us is crashing out of this year.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

You've been. You've been caught in a lie. But by the way, I know you're. There's the thing, though, what makes this crazy is that I know you're lying. You know you're lying, and Jacob also knows that you're lying.

[Monet X Change]

I. Yeah, I mean, and I. I know that y' all just serve to try to make me crazy on this podcast, because that's literally what Gaslighting is. You're trying to convince me of a truth. That's this, and that is not the truth. And I'm gonna let you have it because I'm not going to let y' all fucking take years off of my life. With this bullshit. I'm moving on. Was cheating ever tolerated or encouraged in your friend group or family growing up? Up?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

No. No one in my family was encouraging cheating.

[Monet X Change]

Jacob wrote the question. I don't know.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

You think my family was encouraging cheating, Jacob? Mine was.

[Monet X Change]

What?

[Jacob]

Yeah, I'm sorry.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

My.

[Monet X Change]

My mom.

[Jacob]

My mom used to cheat at like.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

You are on the mic. You are on the mic, Jacob.

[Jacob]

Okay. My mom used to cheat at Candy Land to tell us how to cheat at Candy Land.

[Monet X Change]

How do you cheat in Candyland?

[Jacob]

You stack the cards, you get, you. You pull. You're guaranteed to pull a Queen Frostine, which takes you to the end, at the beginning, and then you just go from there, and it's a pretty easy scoop.

[Monet X Change]

You know, I've never played Candyland, so I don't even know. I don't know any of the mechanics of the game or how it even operates.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Candyland is just a game where you have to go from one side. You're racing from the start line to the finish line, and you can take. I feel like you might be take shortcuts or get power. I know chutes and ladders. You can take the chutes and the ladders to get to the finish line faster.

[Jacob]

You move the boards. It's a long path, and each square has a different color of like a different color of the rainbow.

[Monet X Change]

Got it.

[Jacob]

And you draw a card from the deck and it has the color of the rainbow, and you move to the next coordinating color on the track. But there are some. There are like, special people, like Lord Goopy or something, who's like a chocolate monster, and Queen Frostine, who's like the ice cream queen. And they have their own cards, and if you draw one of their cards, you move right to their space.

[Monet X Change]

I. Yeah, that's what it was.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Yeah, you moved to. You moved to different, like Lollipop Land or Chocolate Land or Gumdrop Land, and you're trying to navigate, to move faster and faster and faster. You're just racing to the finish line.

[Monet X Change]

I bought. I bought on TikTok a game called Tipsy Land, which I have not played it anymore, which I realized. I think. I think maybe in college, early 20s, I would have played a Tipsy Land. I don't think now is a game a day I'll be into playing a game like Tipsy Land. You know what I mean? Like, I'm not interested in like. Like do playing a drinking game to get drunk.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I mean, I certainly have no interest in playing a drinking game, but maybe.

[Monet X Change]

If we play it and Instead of shots of alcohol, it's like shots of like a five hour energy.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

That doesn't sound fun. No, I, that I, I would never, I would. That does not speak to me. Drinking liquid for fun. Unless maybe the only thing I can think of wanting to drink something for fun is if maybe the point of the game is to like. So you can drink a liquid the fastest. Maybe. I mean, I will say beer pong is kind of fun without beer because there is a aiming element to the game. So you get to like toss over to like this thing. But I guess you lose the fun when you're not getting drunk. But I still find fun in the shooting the basket or trying to get the, the pong in the cup.

[Monet X Change]

Yeah, I don't think so. I, I've never been to beer pong because I think it's so gross. Gross because like you take the ball and you throw it. Oftentimes the ball is not getting the cup. You're in someone's house to their apartment, people inside with their shoes on, walking around the floors because there are drinks and it's a party. At least my experience is in college. So the floor is kind of muddy and gross. And yes, there is a cup you do to like thing the ball, but once you do it more than twice, that water is also dirty. If you're like washing out in the sink or replacing the cup every time, then that feels more sanitary. But at a basis, a bear pong seems gross. And I just, I could never participate.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I'm like, I've just never been a germaphobe in my life. Like, I mean, I'm not, I'm not like, I'm not like the opposite of a germaphobe. But like, the truth is if I drop something on the floor based on where we are, I will still pick it up and eat it. Like if I, if I drop a piece of candy on the floor, like if I drop a Skittle on the floor in my own home, I will pick the Skittle up and eat it.

[Monet X Change]

In my own home, I'll do that.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

That like I, I would do it and, and, and I would do it in certain people's homes. I probably wouldn't do it outside. No, I wouldn't do it outside, but if I dropped a Skittle in like someone's home, I would probably pick it up and eat it. If I dropped. I mean, what. I would not home that I know.

[Monet X Change]

That they do not like allow shoes inside. I would. If it's a home that you let people walk inside with your shoes. I'm not doing it.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I would not eat something that hits the ground and, like, splatters. Like, if it hits the ground and it leaves, like a piece of pizza.

[Monet X Change]

Like, if it fell face down or.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Something, that would leave stains. Like if. Like a piece of pizza. Yeah, definitely if it fell face down. Because if it leaves splatter, then it will pick up hair and stuff. Whereas a skittle won't pick up hair.

[Monet X Change]

Yeah, I would agree with that.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

And I will say this, too. When I go to someone's house, sometime, I think germaphobe. I know they're not doing on purpose, but sometime I think germaphobes are just doing too much. It's like the people who are like. It's like. It's like the. I wouldn't call it like the Hygiene Olympics, because I think that germaphobia is, like, actually rooted in a real. Like, I don't think germaphobia is rooted. From what I've seen, it's not rooted in any performance. Whereas I think that sometimes the people who are competing in the Hygiene Olympics are, like, performing their cleanness. But I do think that germaphobia just seems like a. It's not a great way to live your life. It just kind of shuts you down. You lose your. I don't know, you lose a certain social aspect of your life. That being said. Go ahead.

[Monet X Change]

Nothing. People who. Like actual germaphobia, like, who actually have the phobia of germs. I don't think. I don't think. I don't think I'm a germaphobe, but I'm definitely averse to. I don't think.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Is germaphobia a real term?

[Monet X Change]

I mean, I thought it was.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I think it's kind of like a colloquial.

[Monet X Change]

If it can be a fear of holes. Being afraid of germs does not seem crazy.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

No, that's just. No, it's not mystophobia. Yeah. Germaphobe's kind of become like a. Like a.

[Monet X Change]

What's mystophobia? The scare. The fear of German.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

It's literally the actual word for germaphobia.

[Monet X Change]

Got it.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

So I certainly don't have any. But I will say this. When I go to someone's house, that does not make you take your shoes off. I appreciate it so much. I appreciate it so much.

[Monet X Change]

Couldn't be me.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I'm not saying you don't, like. You don't appreciate going. Sometimes you don't take your shoes off.

[Monet X Change]

Like, if me doing it. I mean, appreciate is a Strong word. Like taking the shoes off. I always wear socks anyway, so taking the shoes off or keeping them on, I'm not like, oh, thank God I get to keep my shoes on. I guess I never thought about it. I'm not like, oh, thank God. You know what I mean? I'm not like, I really appreciate this.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I am. I'm like, oh, this is great. Like, I'm glad I can keep my shoes on. There is a doctor's office I used to go to in New York City that makes you take your shoes off. And I'm like, this is too much.

[Monet X Change]

That's a little wild.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Wear shoes off office. I'm like, oh my God.

[Monet X Change]

That's a little. That's, that's a little crazy.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

This is wild.

[Monet X Change]

Yeah, this is wild. But, but I like, but I like.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I like being able to keep my shoes on people's side when I walk in. They're like, she's up there. Like, no, just keep them on. I'm like, oh, did you.

[Monet X Change]

God, did you, did you ever cheat on test in school?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

No, never? Not once.

[Monet X Change]

I showed it in college, girl, never.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Not once.

[Monet X Change]

Music theory is so hard. Rc. And the one we were, we were all a part of the cheating ring. So what happened was because anyone who does music, theater, music, the. And music history, they just. And voice science, everything, they're very hard classes. So for like music historiography, we called it like. So we would do the test and I turn everyone, I turn everyone onto this. I would get these folders, but they were clear. And you got to like have something to write on. The folders were clear. I would put all my notes on a piece of paper and put it in the back of the folder. So when you close it, it was the thing you see at the top. And I would just be on that test, like. And again, I didn't know what was on the test. So sometimes like maybe like 40% or maybe like 30% information, I did, I was on there. But the rest of it, you're kind of just like, fuck. But for some of it, I would have it on my little. On my little cheat thing.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

When I was in school, there's a teacher who would allow open book tests. And I think that's actually a really good policy because like, like, is the point to make people retain information or is the point to give people the ability to research information?

[Monet X Change]

Yeah.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

What's the point of the class? Like, is the point of the class to remember every single thing? Or is the point to be able to give people the Tools to be able to research something and look it up if they need to.

[Monet X Change]

I don't think I ever had, I don't, I had to have. I don't know if I've ever had an open book test. I had to have though.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I mean we used to have them and I mean not actually classes that were near mine or I had a few classes that would, that would allow open book test test like specifically in history and stuff like that. And honestly I think it's a really good policy for to let kids because it gives them the, it gives it. You're giving them the tools to do research. I mean or take home test.

[Monet X Change]

I, I, I maybe a take home test. I think an open book test makes a little more sense like using your notes because then after we you learn the lesson, you know you have the, you have the freedom to go home and take notes and like really expand upon the knowledge you've been, you've been learning. So open book tests that makes that makes sense.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

And the last thing I'll say is I used to love pop quizzes because I am really good at retaining information. Pop quizzes used to get me so.

[Monet X Change]

You a pop quizzical but so if you could you're gonna retain but you weren't good at doing the the test.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

But a pop I never said on the good I said I just think open book tests are a great policy. I've always been great at testing.

[Monet X Change]

Got it.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Because I'm really good at retaining information. Like if one thing I can do is remember something something and I've been very good at retaining information like my whole life.

[Monet X Change]

Well if if you retain information like you retain water you're probably really good at it.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Gonna let that one sit there and let that let you all absorb that.

[Monet X Change]

Yeah like you like you did that.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Water just kind of let me swear.

[Monet X Change]

Make me hotter.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Just going to let that sit there. All right. It sit long enough. Thank you all for your listen to the podcast today.

[Monet X Change]

Thank you.

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