The One About Debates

Summary

Sibling Rivalry: The One About Debates

Episode Date: April 24, 2023
Hosts: Bob the Drag Queen & Monét X Change

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Episode Overview

In this episode, Bob and Monét dive into the art and culture of debates—both formal and informal—from high school clubs to heated TikTok Live battles. They share personal stories, tease each other relentlessly, break down the bizarre language of online moderation, and reflect on the challenges of arguing for queer rights and other progressive issues with strangers on the internet. The duo keeps their trademark humor and chemistry front and center, sprinkling in discussions of streaming habits, drag motherhood, and influencer life.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Everyday Life & Catching Up (01:00–09:00)

• New Gadgets & Daily Routines: Bob excitedly talks about his new office treadmill and standing desk, and Monét playfully roasts him for always making a big deal of his latest obsessions.
• Favorite Takeout Orders: Both rave about Sweetgreen, debating the merits of blackened chicken vs. boiled chicken.
• Streaming & Food Preferences: From kombucha and Tajin (thanks, Jada Essence Hall), to Bob's adventures with Warhead and chamoy pickles.

Notable Quote

"You do the event and act like nothing is different. Like, I call you, and you just... I'm like, what are you doing? 'I'm walking.'"
—Monét X Change (04:38)

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2. TikTok Debates and Online Pranks (09:00–29:00)

• Fracking Discourse: Touches on the RuPaul "fracking" controversy and public perceptions of guilt by association.
• Montana Bans TikTok: They discuss digital censorship and state-by-state internet regulations.
• Debate Content on TikTok: Bob details his forays into TikTok Live debates, focusing on queer rights (especially trans issues), gun control, and combating online bigotry.
• Prank Culture: They criticize straight male-centric “prank” videos that are essentially just harassment.

Notable Quote

"Sometimes they just walk up and they're like, 'Hey, faggot, it's a prank.' Where's the prank? You just walked up and called me a name."
—Bob (23:12)

• The Language of Moderation (TikTok Slang):
  • Terms like "banana'd" (banned), "yt" (white), "unalive" (kill/suicide/murder), and "pew pew" (guns) are necessity to avoid moderation auto-flags.

Notable Exchange

Bob: "You can't say guns, you can't say firearms... you gotta say pew pew."
Monét: "Do you really?"
Bob: "You say pew pew."
—(39:05)

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3. Personal Debate Histories (29:33–41:00)

• High School Clubs:
  • Bob: President of drama club, member of "Gentlemen of Quality" (which became a de facto gay step team).
  • Monét: Attended a performing arts school—debate took place within the "humanities" curriculum.
• PE as 'Singing': Monét argues that singing is a full workout, leading to a debate on what counts as physical education.
• Privilege & Parenting Styles: Comparing their upbringings, they discuss whether their parents allowed explanation or fell back on "because I said so."

Notable Quote

"Baby, from New York, honey, the streets was our physical fitness test. Running from a mugger—running, that's our physical fitness."
—Monét (34:46)

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4. The Art and Exhaustion of Online Debates (41:00–60:00)

Bob’s Debate Tactics

• Petty but Purposeful: Bob gleefully trolls transphobes or anti-gay folks by using their own logic against them, consciously making a spectacle not just for the speakers but for the broader, silent audience.
• Getting Banned: Bob describes getting “banana’d” on TikTok for misgendering people in a debate (at their request, showcasing the hypocrisy).
• Strategy: When he can host, Bob’s hundreds of followers flood the chat and flag hate speech, sometimes causing the opposing stream to be shut down.

"If you're being transphobic and you're being racist, yeah, I will bully you."
—Bob (37:06)

Monét’s View

• Debate vs. Argument: Strong at debate with prep and notes, less so at off-the-cuff “arguments” due to poor memory.
• Debating Online: Hesitant to do live online debates, daunted by the level of pettiness, but is open to joining Bob someday.

"The amount of work that it takes to convince one person that something is not bad or to... help them see the error in their ways—I'm like, that is so exhausting."
—Monét (58:44)

Audience Impact

Bob highlights that debates aren’t always about the person on the other side:

"It's not always about that person. I think it's also the other people watching..."
—Bob (59:02)

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5. Notable Debate Stories & Drag Queen Life (53:10–57:37)

• Debate with Mark: Bob recounts a heated debate with a Canadian man about drag queens reading to children and the fallacy of collective guilt.
• Mentorship: Bob gives a heartfelt shout-out to drag daughter Akilah Blue and reflects on the responsibilities of being a drag mother.

"If I'm gonna be someone's drag mom, I really like to show them the ropes and... push them out of the nest and then help them win RuPaul's Drag Race."
—Bob (52:48)

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Memorable Moments & Quotes

• Bob’s Impressions: Attempts at Bernie Sanders and Mistress Isabelle Brooks, critiqued and rated by Monét.
  ("Let’s hear your Bernie Sanders..." —Bob, 13:43; "It's coming, it's coming...on 1 to 10, we're at a 4, but I see..." —Monét, 45:06)
• TikTok Lingo Breakdown (38:24–39:30): Both react to the absurdities of censorship-by-language, laughing at the mental gymnastics required.
• Debate Fatigue: The emotional toll and futility sometimes felt when debating in “bad faith” spaces.

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Important Timestamps

• New treadmill & Sweetgreen order banter: 01:50–04:43
• Streaming service overload: 15:28–20:30
• Montana TikTok ban & censorship: 09:47–10:45
• Online pranks & problematic TikTok content: 22:30–24:29
• Explaining TikTok debate language: 38:24–39:36
• Bob’s TikTok debate tactics: 36:55–37:55, 53:10–55:15
• Debate fatigue & impact on viewers: 58:44–59:35

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Tone & Style

• Banter-heavy, sharply comedic, peppered with personal anecdotes and inside drag culture references.
• Equal parts critical and playful, particularly when unpacking social and online issues.
• Both hosts use hyperbole, impressions, and over-the-top language for comic effect while earnestly confronting real social topics.

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Conclusion

This lively episode explores the psychological, social, and emotional dimensions of debating online versus in person, especially on platforms like TikTok where language and culture evolve rapidly in response to moderation. Bob and Monét challenge each other’s perspectives, recall their debate roots, and remind listeners of the double-edged sword of online activism. As always, their friendship and charisma shine, making even heavy topics engaging and accessible for listeners.

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For more, catch Bob and Monét on their Patreon and related podcasts, including "Town Hall: A Black Queer Podcast"

Transcript

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My name is Bob the Drag Queen.

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And I'm Monet x James. And this is sibling rivalry. On today's episode, Bob buys a treadmill.

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We talk about TikTok debates.

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And we find out what made Bob say this.

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All right, guys. About Pew Pew Control. And we find out what made Monet say this.

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The amount of work that it takes to convince one person that something is not bad or, or to. To help them see the error in their ways. I'm like, that is so exhausting.

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Okay, I want to try something new. I'm trying something new. I have this new microphone that I'm really excited about.

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We know, Bob.

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Can you be excited for me, please?

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I'll be excited to show you.

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This brings me joy.

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Excited for you. Because you have your microphone. I think you should find. You find your own joy that doesn't revolve centered around me being happy for you.

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No, I have joy in the microphone, but I want more joy. I like to share joy with you.

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I want more. I want more.

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Yeah, who cares? No big deal. I'm a whore.

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I didn't know you like spin drift.

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I mean. Yeah, yeah. I mean, I like seltzer water, you know? You know, I drink a lot of like, you like, it's kombucha or something. Like, it's. It's seltzer water. You see me, I drink a lot of seltzer water.

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I don't like kombucha. I never got on the kombucha thing. I just don't like the taste of it. It has like. I did not. It's a kombucha I used to not

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like it, but I'm. I'm much more into it now. I started ordering on it at Sweet Greens. Oh, I'm gonna order sweet greens today.

[C]

New York has sweet greens.

[B]

New York has sweet Greens?

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Yeah. New York had one Tender greens on right there by Bryant park on 41st and 6 for like a year. And then it closed down. I'm like, New Yorkers would not fucking with tender greens, honey.

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I discovered sweet greens in Berkeley and now me and Jacob practically live all sweet greens. Sweet Greens is our go to. Like, sweet Greens is literally our go to. When me and Jacob can't decide where we're going to eat, we go, sweet greens. What do you give for sweet greens?

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I get the chicken.

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This is not paid. This is not paid. Sweet Greens has not offered us any money.

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I get the chicken pesto parm, but instead of the quinoa, I get the blackened. No, I get the blackened chicken.

[B]

And I add always the blackened chicken every time. I will substitute blackened chicken every time.

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That other chicken look like it's been boiled and it looked crazy. I like the blackened chicken.

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It tastes fine. But the blackened chicken is bae.

[C]

Yeah, blackened chicken is good. And I always get double protein. But I just like a lot of meat.

[B]

I used to get double protein when I was. So I started going to Sweet Greens because my trainer was telling me to go there and I would go and get the harvest bowl. No goat cheese, double protein. But now that I'm not, like, working out like that, I was working out so hard every day. Well, not every day, but every day I worked out with him. It was like insane. It was. Honestly, I look back and I was like, I cannot believe I was doing that. That was very intense. Working out. Now I just be walking or I find like a little 30 minute video on YouTube. Little 30 minute cardio video.

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So Bobby at his little office and then I called Bob the other day and I'm like, hey, girl. I just. And I'm talking to Bob and he's just like walking in this fucking office. I'm like, bitch, what are you doing? He's like, I'm walking. I'm walking. When Bob gets a little thing that

[B]

he like to do, it's so funny. What? It is so. What is so funny? You're always making fun of me.

[C]

You do the event and act like nothing is different. That's what it is. Like, I call you and I normally. And I call you and you just. I'm like, what are you doing?

[B]

I got a standing desk and I have an office treadmill. So what happens is there's a standing desk that's really high and my computer's on it. And then I have a treadmill under the desk, and I walk on it and I do my meetings and. And I'm on my little treadmill. Absolutely cute.

[C]

It is cute. But Bob doesn't act like nothing is different. So you this nigga just like this the whole time. I'm like, what are you doing? Like, Monet, I'm walking.

[B]

I'm like, do you understand why I

[C]

might think that's strange that I'm talking to in an office and you're just walking in place?

[B]

That's not how it's. What I said was. I said, I got an office treadmill. I'm walking on it. That's what I said. I didn't go. I didn't go. I'm walking. I said, oh, I got an office treadmill. And then I. And then I grabbed my camera and I showed Monet. I picked up my whole laptop, showed her the setup.

[C]

The laptop is not £18,000.

[B]

My whole laptop, bitch, it's a Mac. The whole laptop. And I showed Monet. When I act like I just said I'm walking, that was the end of the conversation. I said, I got an office treadmill.

[C]

And then we're in this meeting, and Baba just. This is Bob the whole time of the meeting. It's just. You're just such an odd person. You're such an odd person.

[B]

That's not weird. I mean, maybe it's not the standard to have an office treadmill, but me walking on a treadmill does not make me an odd person. You always act like me doing the most mundane things. It's like this. Do y' all remember the episode where I opened up a soda? Monet was, like, making fun of the way I opened a soda.

[C]

Did I?

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This is. Yes. Yes, you did. I even commented on it. I said, I always have a friend making fun of me the way I open sodas. So listen, you all this. This is the gaslighting making me think I'm crazier. I'm weird for doing. Run. Run to the. My name is Run to the Mill.

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Run to the Mill. Run the. Run to the Mill.

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Run to the Mills. That's the name. Run to the Mills. Oh, I also went. So last I. I got. I saw like, a tick tock. And it kind of inspired me to go out and buy something. So I. I went online and I bought some Warhead pickles. You know, Warhead. The Candy company.

[C]

Yes, I make pickles. The sour thing.

[B]

Oh, you don't like pickles though, do you?

[C]

I don't like pickles. I like warheads, but I don't like pickles.

[B]

Okay? So to anyone out there wondering, they're not warhead flavored pickles. I thought they would be warhead flavored pickles. They are not. They are just sour pickles. It's just a regular sour pickle. It is particularly sour, but it tastes nothing like a warhead. Now I have a fridge full of warhead pickles.

[C]

Did you order these online?

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I ordered six of them. So they came in a pack. Yeah. But today I have some chamoy pickles coming in which is gonna be chamoy.

[C]

Okay. Let me tell you something. Tajin is my new like chamoy. No, Tajin. Cause tahini is like taen and chamoy.

[B]

I mean, Tajin's your new chamoy.

[C]

Oh, no, no. Well, Tajin and chamoy, they're cousins. They're close in flavor. Similar. Very similar in flavor. Flavor profile. But I.

[B]

Except chamoy is a little bit sweeter and chamoys is like. Is like a paste.

[C]

Right. And Tahin is just like the. It's like a grain. Another grain. Like a. What you call that? Yeah.

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Anyway, salt. It's like a salt.

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And I put Tahin on everything. I put on my eggs, I put on all my fruit, I put it on my gummy bears. Tajin is so good on everything.

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Do you want to thank Jed Essence hall for giving you that idea?

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Jada didn't. My friend Aritza put me onto that actually.

[B]

So Jada's nothing. So you sat in the room with Jada hall doing shots of Tahin and you.

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I was offered.

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You just didn't. I was offered.

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I was never offered a Tajin shot.

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But did you hear it?

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I think it's cause I'm black.

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Who's she offered to? Jinx. Who'd you offered to?

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I think it was Jinx she offered it to. Yeah. Shout out Tahin. I wonder if Jada gets a lot of people. Bring Tajin to her in meet and greets now.

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So let's talk about your fracking trip.

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The fracking was great. We got some really good water into the ground. We got some good oil out of that trip.

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Do you know what fracking is?

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Yeah. When you pump oil, you're basically douching the land. You're taking a bunch of water, you're pumping it into the land to get

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to find oil because you all know the oil and water don't mix, so if you push water down, oil will rise up. What do you think about the RuPaul fracken controversy? Because part of me. There's two. I feel like I'm like a big part of the RuPaul fracken controversy because.

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Because of this.

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Because of this. So people always mention the fracking like that, kind of like, first of all, there's the fracking itself, and then me and Peppermint's video really got the fracking talked about even more. And I. But I. I will say it is weird that people blame RuPaul for the fracking when it's, like, his husband's family's land. You know what I mean?

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Yeah. I mean, RuPaul has taken the full

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brunt of the fracking.

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Yeah. I mean, I don't have much to say about that. I don't know what these hoes is doing over there in Wyoming. I don't live there. I've never been to Montana. I've never been to Wyoming. Which, by the way, did you just hear about Montana? Montana is the first state to ban something. Hold on.

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Saucy. Montana.

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TikTok. Montana is the first state to ban TikTok. You cannot get on TikTok on your personal device in Montana. Isn't that crazy?

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Wait, what? Wait, how is that. How do they. I don't know.

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How.

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How do they. What's the jurisdiction? How do they make that a thing?

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Yeah. Montana becomes the first state to completely ban TikTok on personal devices.

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So what if you're driving through?

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I don't know, because there are some states, I feel like somewhere in the South, I couldn't go on, like, porn, but I couldn't go on a porn website. And I was like, why is it my. Every time I would put it in my search bar, it would say, where

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were you trying to watch porn?

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I was on my laptop in the hotel room.

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In what state?

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I wanna say Alabama. Or maybe it was Mississippi. Bunny and I were doing an episode and we were talking about.

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You and Bunny were watching porn together?

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Well, we often do. That's the only way I can come. And then. So we were trying to go. I was going to go on the website to show her the thing.

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Right.

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And it wouldn't. It wouldn't come up. And I think. I think it was maybe Alabama, but there's a state that Safari would not load the page. And I was like, are you sure

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it wasn't because of your hotel? Because you can watch porn all over the South.

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But everything else was working, though. Everything else was working.

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Like I'm saying, it might have been the hotel.

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Maybe. Maybe the hotel. The hotel just blocked it. I don't know. But Montana, you cannot get on. You can't. You can't. On personal devices. I don't live there. I've never. Have you ever been to Montana?

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Yeah, I've been to Montana. Yeah, a couple times.

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Yeah. I've never been to Wyoming. I've never been to Montana. I've never been to.

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There's only one state I haven't been to.

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Alaska.

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Maine.

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I've been to Maine. There's a Portland, Maine.

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I know Maine's the only city. I mean, you don't drive through Maine. You know what I mean?

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The. Have you been to Vermont?

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Yeah, I've been to Vermont.

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Burke. What is she. What were you doing in Vermont?

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Probably drag or kid children's theater or something.

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Okay, the only.

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The only set I haven't been to is. Isn't Bernie Sanders the senator from Vermont?

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Vermont? He sure is, yeah.

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How do you go from Brooklyn to Vermont?

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Well, you know, whenever people end up

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in places, I'm like, how did you. When people end up in small towns or other, I'm like, how did you end up here? Like, what is going on? Like, how did you end up here?

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Well, you know, Vermont used to be a red state, and back in the 70s, 60s, that's when they'd had the whole hippie movement up there. So basically, they, a bunch of hippies moved to Vermont to occupy it, to make it blue. And that's why, like. And that's how Vermont became a blue state, because all these, like, hippies from the 60s, like, we. We need to make this stable. And they all moved up there. Isn't that crazy?

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I am the senator from Vermont, and I do believe that this year we are going to have a major movement in capitalism in times of the United States of America. How is that? Honestly? Be honest with me. One in ten,

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it's giving me that.

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Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. Before you start talking, one is completely unrecognizable. Like, I would not know who you were doing under any circumstances, under any. For any reason. And 10 is. I thought Bernie Sanders was in the room.

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I'm giving you a solid five right in the middle.

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Not even Monet, not even a 6 or a 7.

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To quote Malaysia baby doll Fox. I said what I said.

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Can you. Can you tell me why? Why?

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Because you start to sprinkling things, you start to sprinkling other things. Like I was also getting Gilbert Godfrey. I was getting. I was getting. I see trees are green. Like I was getting all of that. Like I was. She started to get all these other people.

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Okay, well, let's hear your Bernie Sanders.

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I can't do Bernie Sanders. I never said I could.

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Since you're the queen of impersonations. Since you're giving out fives. Since I got five on it. Let's hear your Bernie Sanders. Let's hear your Senator from Vermont.

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I don't have a good Bernie Sanders. I don't do impersonations. They're not my thing.

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Obviously. They're not mine either. Clearly.

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You know, Whoopi Goldberg's. All her specials are on HBO now.

[B]

Well. Oh, really?

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Well, now HBO is fucking. Is becoming Max now. Cause no. Discovery. The whole thing now HBO is coming Max.

[B]

Well, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. Max is ma. So HBO Max is becoming Max. HBO and HBO Max are two different entities. So, for example, we're here is on hbo, and you can watch it on HBO Max. HBO in HBO Max shows, you will not catch on there. They're never on the actual channel hbo. Whereas we're here as an HBO show that you can watch on HBO Max. If that makes any sense at all.

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It does. It makes sense. But I don't. I don't. That's. I just saw this article and I was like. Because they're also changing the. There's something about the purple color of the. If anyone has. I mean, we all have streaming at this point. We've all left cable, and we're paying $175 a month now. We all have 10 different fucking streaming things, and we're paying $200 a month.

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I must be. I must be paying over $200 a month.

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It's crazy.

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For all the things you know. True. Bill, come save me.

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Yeah, because, Bob, I like. I. I have. Okay, I have Netflix. I have Hulu, I have hbo. Max, I have Peacock. I have. I have. I have YouTube TV, I have a bunch of them. I'm thinking of. I have to have the Discovery plus channel because I have. I love. I love Chopped. Chops is my favorite show. It's like my. I just watch it. I just have it playing all the time.

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Survivor found dead. Survivor found in a ditch dead.

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I have Paramount Plus. I have.

[B]

You like Chop more than Survivor?

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I mean, no, I like Survivor a lot, too, but I just. I just watch Chopped all the time. Because I've watched every season of Survivor. Chopped. Chopped has 44 seasons. Like Survivor. No, Chavez. Over 50 seasons at this point.

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Jesus Christ. So I have Netflix, Hulu, Apple TV. I do not.

[C]

I have Apple TV.

[B]

I have Max. I have YouTube Premium. I have Prime. I have Prime. I have wow. Presents Plus.

[C]

Yep.

[B]

I have Rap Battle TV. King of the Ring.

[C]

What?

[B]

Why is that so funny? When I said app, there's an app

[C]

for Rap Battle TV yeah, there is.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

That's very cute that you have that.

[B]

And this is great rap battles in there. I have Disney, but I low key share Disney. I'm low key taking someone else to Disney though.

[C]

See, I feel like, here's my thing about sharing those. I feel like if I share someone's one day these companies are going to crack down and I'm going to lose the day. I want to go, I'm going to put on my TV and then I can't get it because they didn't figure out that we all hacking the system.

[B]

And then you can sign in. You know, signing up for them literally takes 30 minutes.

[C]

30 minutes. How long does it take you to sign in?

[B]

Well, not even that. Like it's pretty quick to get one. I set my mom's up when I was down there, which I don't even think she uses them. My mom still uses cable. I got her all these fucking things. And then she calls and goes, how do you get into the prime? And I'm like, this is wild.

[C]

Okay, there's this one. Have you ever signed up for Zeus tv? Because Zeus TV is.

[B]

That's what all those will never catch me watching. Zeus TV for it. Zeus tv. Zeus TV is one of the most problematic channels I believe out there. Zeus TV is wild. I don't really believe in that idea that like we're, we're, you know, people, we're our people are going, you know, if it was a. You push us back 30 years. I don't really believe in that. Except for Zeus tv. Zeus TV is bad for black culture.

[C]

Yeah, it's wild. That's. That's where. I think that's where Chrisean and Rock's show is at. They've had. That's where Tokyo Tony and formerly the Artist, formerly known as Blac Chyna AKA Angela. That's right there.

[B]

She used to go by. She didn't go by that name. She didn't go by Black China.

[C]

Oh, honey, she got saved. Honey, she got.

[B]

Oh, I saw her. I saw her at the cross. At the cross, I said

[C]

hands. She was prostrate before the Lord in

[B]

a gown with her ass accentuated.

[C]

Okay, Bob, you can, you can, you can be sexy for Jesus too.

[B]

Apparently, Apparently I. I did recently discover Tokyo Tony because of TikTok and what a wild ride.

[C]

Toxic.

[B]

First of all, her and Black China really look alike. It's kind of gaggy.

[C]

Yeah, they're.

[B]

They're mother and daughter.

[C]

But the way she.

[B]

I cannot, I cannot imagine her being my mother. Like Me and my mom argue sometime, but. Like that.

[C]

No, Angela, you stupid black. I can't believe you're gonna that gonna him, too.

[B]

And then she goes on Internet and just starts dragging her daughter on the Internet. I'm like, this is truly wild behavior, bitch.

[C]

We better be careful. She won't come up. But she won't come up to them fat, ugly, black, bald motherfuckers. Bob and Monet. Y' all gonna talk about me and my motherfucking daughter?

[B]

Honestly, I would love to be. No, actually, I did not want to be.

[C]

Bob, don't do that.

[B]

I don't think I. You know what, Tokyo, I'm. Me and Monet are calling you out. Everyone tagged Tokyo Tony in this video.

[C]

Call yourself.

[B]

Me and Monet. X change are coming for that ass. Me and Monet.

[C]

Sing for yourself.

[B]

I saw this great bit on this great, like, prank where this guy was, like, standing in front of a restaurant. He was like, yeah, come out here and fucking fight me, you piece of shit. Yeah, I don't give a fuck. I'll fight you. Yeah, I'm standing out here. I'm wearing glasses. I got a baseball cap with two little tennis rackets on it. I'm wearing a chain.

[C]

And then somebody else.

[B]

Yeah. He kept describing. He kept. He kept describing the guy next to him. The guys kept being like, whoa, hey, guys.

[C]

Like, no, no, no, no.

[B]

Hey, give me that phone.

[C]

You know, I want to be able to see what that. I want to be able to see what that does. These, like, TikTok pranks and pranks like that. But a. You could. I've seen him go. Really left. Like, there's one recently of this guy. He's at the airport, and he likes the other thing when he goes to baggage claim, and he's taking a bag, and it's someone else's bag, and the person's trying to stop them, and he's like. And then they act like it's a prank, but one person got really upset, and then that kid ended up getting arrested.

[B]

Well, so, okay, some pranks are funny. And so, like, saying, like, come fight me. I'm this guy next to you. That could be kind of funny. But sometimes they just walk up and they're like, hey, faggot, it's a prank, it's a prank, it's a prank.

[C]

And then they got knocked.

[B]

Yeah, it's like, where's the prank? You just walked up and called me a name. Or someone walks up and goes, you want to fight me or something? And the guy goes, yeah, let's fight. And they go, it's a prank. It's a. I'm like, that's not a prank. You just walked up and aggressed someone. How is that? I mean, I'm not saying it's not a prank because I guess art is subjective and prank is humorous. Subjective. But like, I just don't get how that's funny to just walk up and like be mean to a stranger and then just yell. It's very strict. You're just yelling. It's a prank, it's a prank, it's a prank.

[C]

It's very, it's very straight guy humor. It's like a lot of that stuff I see is very straight boys. It's like all these things these straight boys do. Like I sell them, I like on my gay TikTok channels with that dude, pranks. I never see stuff like that. Like, it's never stuff like that. It's very straight guy, human.

[B]

There's this guy who walks. There's this like white guy who walks up to black people in the, in Walmart and just goes, hey boy, hand me that right there, boy.

[C]

A black guy who walks up to white people?

[B]

No, it's a white guy who walks up to black people. He just goes, hey boy, hand me that, hand me that thing on that shelf, boy. And they're like, excuse, who you talking to? You heard me, boy. And then someone else will grab it. He goes, no, I don't want you. I want that boy to hand it to me, boy. And I'm just like, how is this a prank? Like what?

[C]

Yeah, that's not cute.

[B]

It's a prank. It's a prank. You know what I do on TikTok though? What I cannot stop doing on TikTok is TikTok debates.

[C]

I've seen you. Well also you'll get on and do like at 3 o' clock in the morning because you ain't got shit else to do. Like you don't have a whole day of shit of work.

[B]

You got me? I have nothing to do.

[C]

And I'm saying you are. You have a lot of shit to do. But Bobby, you need to get more sleep. What?

[B]

Why do you think I do? Why do you think I need to get more sleep?

[C]

Because do you. How many hours of sleep do you get a night?

[B]

It differs on different nights. Like last night I went to bed

[C]

at

[B]

1 or 2 and I woke up around 10.

[C]

Did you really?

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

Okay, that's eight hours. That's good.

[B]

9:30 or 10.

[C]

Oh, that's good.

[B]

Okay, I usually get between six and eight hours of sleep every night.

[C]

I, I, I'm, I'm normally six. Rarely is it eight. Always normally about six.

[B]

So bitch, you need to get more sleep. Talking about me in my sleep. Don't ever come for me in my sleep, honey.

[C]

Anyway.

[B]

But no, I, I, I, but so I, I, I get on these. Okay, first of all, I'm currently banned from, from going live with other people.

[C]

Why?

[B]

Well, well, that's not trite. Quite true. I'm banned from going live as a guest. Okay. So when you go on TikTok live, you can go live. You can go live with someone at the same time as like partners where you both have equal footing in the live. And then you can have guests where people are basically under your live. I'm banned from doing that because I was low key trolling in a, in a, in, in a TikTok debate.

[C]

Are you trolling?

[B]

Okay, so I'm usually in debates, usually around two subjects mainly one usually queer rights, specifically trans rights, and then also gun control and then occasionally misogynistic men who are saying ridiculous things about women. Like, like, like it's a, if a woman doesn't have an orgasm, it's her fault kind of shit. So I got into this debate about pronouns and whether or not pronouns are ridiculous. And then I, I, so I, you're in this, this, it's kind of like the Brady Bunch square, right? I was in the middle and there's people on all. I was right in the middle. It was so perfect. So I was, I was, I do this bit where I'm acting really silly, but I'm also making these points and I come in, this guy's like, I say, so I asked this lady here, I say, what are your pronouns? And she goes, I don't do pronouns. You can call me anything you want, but she's trying to say that she doesn't do pronouns. Right, right, right. So I can call you any pronoun. She goes, yeah, you can call me any pronouns, honey. So I was like, okay, so I can call you he. I have your permission. And she goes, yeah. So I started calling this woman he the whole time and I kept calling the host she with their permission. So I kept.

[C]

And, and the host was, was a CIS man. A CIS man.

[B]

Okay, who, who was, who was against pronouns.

[C]

But okay.

[B]

And I kept. So it was a, it was truly a guy who goes by he and a woman who goes by she. But I kept swapping out their pronouns because they said they don't if you don't care. If you give me permission, I'm gonna do it. So I kept doing that throughout the whole thing, and I kept being like, well, his problem is. Well, her problem is. And then at one point, the lady got so mad, and she goes, is she? And I said, oh. Oh, so pronouns matter. Oh, so what you're saying is you were getting misgendered for 10 minutes, and it drove you to the point of a madness, but you want to fully be out here in these streets misgendering people for years on end. I was misgendering you for literally. Literally 10 minutes. And she goes, I don't care what you call me. I said, all right, sir. If you don't care, sir, I'm going to keep calling you he. Him. And she got me. It doesn't matter. But then, of course. So anyway, I think I got banned for misgendering people.

[C]

So.

[B]

For hateful behavior.

[C]

So when you have that. So after that. That moment, like, what. What was her response? Was she like, oh, pronouns do matter. Like, well, how did she.

[B]

No, she. She was. She. She was this, like, Caribbean lady, and she was saying a lot of very offensive things. She was. She was basically being like, I don't. Like. I kept being like, just, why don't you just say you don't like gay people and just let that be it? And she was like, okay, then, I don't like gay people. And so. So once I called her and she was like, is she like it? And the. And the chat was like, oh. The chat was like, she still wouldn't acknowledge that pronouns matter, even when. Even when cl. Even when she was so annoyed by Gooped and Gagged honey, she still could not be like, yeah, pronouns really do matter. And I kept telling the guy who was a host. I was like. He was a little more chill than she was. I was like, so you see how everyone kept calling you she everywhere you went, especially as a pejorative, how it would start to bother you? And they kept being like, no, I don't care. I really don't care. And I was like, all right, girl.

[C]

Did y' all have debate teams in high school?

[B]

I don't know if we had a debate team. I wasn't on the team. If I was, I was pretty much full time in two clubs, so I didn't have time to do any other clubs.

[C]

I was full time in the drama club.

[B]

I was the president of the drama club, and I was in a group called Gentlemen of Quality. Gentlemen of Quality. Can I say it? Gq? Gentlemen of Quality. And it was a boys club for, like. Basically, it was like this teacher and Mr. Kova were teaching us how to be men. And what did it work?

[C]

What did that. Like, what was that comprise of? Like, what did you do?

[B]

It ended up being just a bunch

[C]

of gay boys about to say y' all niggas was like, we need to know how to be straight. We gotta learn this shit now.

[B]

It ended up just being a bunch of gay boys. And then we had a. Then we made a step team.

[C]

Oh, my God. Literally the exact opposite of everything Mr. Club would try to teach y'.

[B]

All. So I just ended up being a step team. It just ended up being a step team.

[C]

Girl, I can't. Not the gentleman's club. That is. That is something you would only see in Southern school.

[B]

Gq Gentlemen of Quality.

[C]

That's something you would only see in a Southern school. I have never heard of that up north.

[B]

What clubs y' all have?

[C]

I was there before.

[B]

Are you part of any clubs?

[C]

No, I wasn't a performing art school, so we were already technically in clubs. Like, the MC kids are one thing. The dancing kids are one thing. The vocal majors, like drama kids. So we were kind of in love.

[B]

What are other stuff that it? What about, like, Mathletes? And.

[C]

We didn't have any of that, bitch. We didn't have pe. We didn't even have pe. We didn't have a gym.

[B]

You didn't have pe?

[C]

No, our PE was our art. But, yeah, best of all, no, because, Bob, first of all, if you are singing correctly. Singing is. Singing properly is a. Is vocal, is. Is exercise. It is. You are tired after you're singing, after you learn technique.

[B]

Okay, I'm not saying that. I'm not saying that. Okay. Singing properly is exercise.

[C]

It is. It is. It is a full workout. Like, your abs hurt afterwards.

[B]

Like your legs, your calves, your biceps.

[C]

I didn't say that. I said your abs.

[B]

You said full workout. Oh. Not a full body workout. Full workout.

[C]

Yeah, it's a full workout.

[B]

I'll say full body. Okay. Okay. You know, because my school had chorus, too. Like, we had a chorus teacher, but we. Singing is a workout.

[C]

Wait, let's take a break. And I want you to ruminate more on how singing is a workout for you.

[A]

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[B]

Okay, I think that singing is a workout.

[C]

Why is that so hard to process?

[B]

Because I feel like singing is singing. Like, I feel like singing is working out your. I think singing is training, but I think that it's not the. It's not. It's just not the same as P.E. it's just not the same as P.E.

[C]

it'S not the exact same as P.E. just like basketball is not the same. You're not working at the same thing as tennis, maybe, but it's still a workout. Singing, like, when you learn to sing properly, you are leaving tired. Like your abs, your core, your chest. Sometimes your back is sore.

[B]

I do believe that you can be sore from singing properly, but I don't know that I would equate it to pen.

[C]

Right.

[B]

And it feels like you all should have been given.

[C]

I agree.

[B]

We should have some pe. Like, how do you. You never did a physical fitness test?

[C]

No.

[B]

You never did a physical fitness test.

[C]

I don't think anyone did that. No one does that.

[B]

Everyone outside of New York City, all of us did physical fitness tests. All of us. You had to do one every year. We did it. Jacob, did you ever do a physical fitness test, Jacob? The rest of us were doing physical fitness tests, like, all summer. No, but I went to a private

[A]

school,

[B]

so I guess. Okay, public school. So am I the only one who. There's no way. My school was the only school that did physical fitness.

[C]

I'm not the only one, but I know in New York State, I don't think. Obviously it's not a law required by New York State. Cause we would have had to do it as well.

[B]

That's so wild. New York doesn't make you do a physical fitness test. Yeah, we had to go. Every year you have to run a mile, you have to do. Every year you have to run a mile. Every year you run a mile, you have to do push ups within a certain timeframe. You have to do pull ups. You have to do a certain number of pull ups. You have to. And you can fail it. And if you don't run them out in a certain time, you get an F. Really? Unless you have a physical reason why you can't do them.

[C]

Baby. From New York, Honey, the Streets was our physical fitness test. Okay? That's what our physical bitch running from. A muggers running. That's our physical fitness, honey.

[B]

No, bitch running for the train that's trying to get your arm in the door before that bug closes. Prying the doors open, bitch, you want some lats? Pry open a subway door.

[C]

Honestly, girl, that will really blow your delts up. Where do you get yourself debating from?

[B]

I do this podcast with my friend Money Xchange, and I think that a lot of. Well, okay, to be fair, when I'm on TikTok, I'm a lot more petty than I am. You think I'm petty here? B. B. The night I got banned, I actually got people to download the videos. So my thing on TikTok, like, when I go in these rooms, I. Especially when I see a bunch of, like, people being transphobic or doing some transphobic behavior or racist behavior or. Or homophobic behavior, and it's all them. They have no opposition. I'll type in the chat and I'll be like, hey, guys, I'm here to ruin your fun. And they'll be like, no one can ruin our fun. I'll be like, let me in. I'll show you I can ruin your fun. No one will be having fun by the time. By the time I'm done. And then I get in the debate, and when I go live, it signals to all of my followers that I'm live now, so they all join the debate. So then basically everyone in the chat is like a bleeding heart liberal. You know what I mean? And then. So then the chat turns against the people running the room. And then I will sometimes, like, be like, hey, just so you guys know, if you see someone, if you see a profile that's. That's doing transphobic behavior, you can report them. You can. You can. You can click this little. You can click the name, click the start, click the flag, click through this and report them. Then I get the rooms reported, and I get them. Sometimes I get them shut down. Or where they're like, this room is now. Like, this room is now. So too many of Bob's followers are here. We have to now just shut the whole room down and start a whole room. And I'm like, yeah, mama. Yeah, break this shit up. Yeah, honey. And they got to the point now where they see me, and they'll be like. They'll be like, do not let Bob in.

[C]

Do.

[B]

Do not let Bob in. He ruins everything. And I'm like, yeah, honey, that's right.

[C]

Not Bob the bully on TikTok.

[B]

You know what Yeah, I do bully. If you're being transphobic and you're being racist. Yeah, I will bully you.

[C]

Yeah. Bob is a TikTok. Bob will love a TikTok, honey. A tikieta tok.

[B]

Have you never. Have you never. Would you ever debate on TikTok Live?

[C]

I would, but I've never. I've never. I don't know how to. I don't know how to do that. I've never done.

[B]

Gets petty. It gets. You should do one. You should do one. When you have free time today, what you do is you go background. So the algorithm knows that I love arguing. Somehow

[C]

ig. I wonder how.

[B]

So basically, if you make a background on your phone that says, like, trans women are women, and then you green screen it and then you just sit in front of it, people will just start coming to your live who either agree with you or disagree with you. Or if you'll say, sis is not a slur, or you'll say, all white people are racist. These are the. You wouldn't want to put that up there because that's the one thing that would probably get you taken down. But you could say something like, all whitey people benefit from white privilege. That's what you'd want to put in. And then people would come in or you'd say, but also, there's a language to TikTok debating.

[C]

I know.

[B]

Do you know what the language.

[C]

You don't get banned or disqualified.

[B]

You can't say banned either. Okay, so you can't say banned. You have to say bananaed.

[C]

Bananaed.

[B]

Yeah. So you say. You say, oh, I got banana'd. Or I don't want to get banana'd.

[C]

I can't. TikTok. TikTok. This fucking baby Goo Goo Gaga language on TikTok drives me crazy sometimes.

[B]

You can't say white people. You have to say yt people.

[C]

Yt. Like, I can't.

[B]

You can't say killed. You can't say suicide. You can't say murder. Unalive, they all become unalived. You can't say guns. You can't say firearms. You can't say pistols. You can't say rifles.

[C]

You got to say pew. Pew.

[B]

You say pew. Pew.

[C]

Do you really?

[B]

You say pew. Pew.

[C]

I can't, I can't, I can't.

[B]

They'll be like, today we're talking about pew. Pew control.

[C]

Because I don't want to get banana'd by the white tv Because I don't want to get.

[B]

Oh, my God. You're literally. You're Getting it. You get the language of TikTok.

[C]

I can't.

[B]

You would say. All right, guys, we're talking about pew Pew control. We're talking about.

[C]

Are you leaving? Okay. Andy's just scaling the wall.

[B]

Nigga, we see you.

[C]

You can see him.

[B]

Yes, I see him.

[C]

Oh, yeah, they can see you, Andy.

[B]

Looking. Looking thicker than a snooker. No, but yeah, you would say, like. You would say, like, we're having a debate about pew. Pew control. Because I don't want to get bananaed. So please don't say, you know, the M word, which is murder, the S word, which is suicide, the K word, which is kill. You have to go on a lot. It's a very interesting way of debating. You should. Pepper says she wants to do one with me, and I'm like, I'm down to do more, but I just. I'm currently completely banned from doing it on TikTok, so I have to wait until I can go back in again.

[C]

Oh, Pepe's on TikTok now.

[B]

Pepper's on TikTok. Yeah. So you all should follow Peppermint. But her. But it's not like. But it's. But someone has her name, so she's

[C]

not like, yeah, I have to be the Monet. This is the one platform I can't have my. My motherfucking name. I'm the Monet X Change. Because some shady bitch was like, monet X Change.

[B]

Yeah, she's. She's the real Peppermint 24 7. The real Peppermint 247 RIP.

[C]

Oh, okay. Cause she normally just Peppermint 2.7. Yeah, that means her birthday is February 4th, 2007. That's when she was born.

[B]

Peppy Pepp be on the Internet.

[C]

What?

[B]

Scandalous. Honey.

[C]

On TikTok.

[A]

Yes.

[C]

Where? I gotta find her.

[B]

She's here in a bathing suit, chopping wood in the snow. I say, girl, this is scandalous.

[C]

Oh, yes, I did see this.

[B]

It's giving scandal. Honey, I love.

[C]

No, will you do.

[B]

Will you do a TikTok debate? Live with me one time.

[C]

I'll do a TikTok debate. Live with you for sure.

[B]

But Monet, they get messy. Like, if you think what we do here is petty, if you think this is messy, you might not want to roll in the mud with me and the TikTok debates because they will call you all the names. It is wild over there.

[C]

I've been called Worst by bitter. And her name was Violet Chachki.

[B]

What did Violet say about you?

[C]

No, she did it. I just said it Right away. I used to see Violet a lot on social media. I don't see her anymore. Right.

[B]

Track her. Maybe because she blocked you. Maybe you got Banana'd.

[C]

Probably. What if I like no Gorge? I think like no Gorge. I used to see him every week. Now it's been a month of Sunday since I've seen a no Gorge.

[B]

I think you're just not looking for it. I think there's. Still. Let me see. No Gorge. The last no Gorge episode came out three months ago. They're in their sibling rivalry season one era.

[C]

Civil rights season one era, for sure.

[B]

Because podcasting is. Is a lot.

[C]

It's a lot. It really is a lot.

[B]

I. Monet and I both do three podcasts a week. Monet and I do two together. Monet has her one with Bunny, and I have one with Peppermint, which, by the way, if you guys aren't listening to me and Peppermint's podcast, we have a podcast called Town Hall Podcast.

[C]

It's really good.

[B]

Anyway, me and Peppermint have a podcast called Town Hall a Black Queer Podcast, and we recommend you go and listen to it. We are very, very proud of the work that we do over there. Lady Bunny is.

[C]

Lady Bunny is queer. She falls into that, too.

[B]

I'm not saying this is. What are you. This has nothing to do with Lady Bunny. All I'm saying is that me and Peppermint have a podcast called Town Hall, a Black queer Podcast. That is all I'm saying. Okay, how do. What's your debate style?

[C]

My debate style? I don't really debate. I mean, and listen here, I think so I have a very bad memory, which I think makes me not a great debater because I can't remember a lot of the things. Like, I would literally have a point, and while that person is talking, I forgot about that point. But no, sorry. That's arguing. I'm not a good arguer, but I am a good debater, because. Debater. Like, if I'm gonna debate, like, I have my. I'll have a thing of. Because in high school, we used to. We didn't have a debate team, but in humanities, we would do debates in humanities. And I would have, like.

[B]

What's humanities?

[C]

Humanities. They mix it where they. They kind of put social studies and English together. It was one class for us. It was an hour and a half, as opposed to doing a social studies class.

[B]

That sounds like fun. I would love that. I would have loved that in school.

[C]

Yeah, humanities was great. And then. So Ms. Sabatino, shout out to Ms. Sab. I don't know if Ms. Sab is still at PPAs, but we would do, like, these debates and, like, you would get the topic.

[B]

What PAs stand for?

[C]

Professional Performing Arts School Work. To quote Mistress Isabel Brooks.

[B]

I've been working on Mistress of Brooks imitation impersonation too, but it's not great.

[C]

Let me see. Let me hear it.

[B]

She's like, when I went and did RuPaul's drag.

[C]

Hold on.

[B]

She's like, yeah, listen. I mean, everyone keeps saying, like, they love me for being the big girl, but I don't know where they see that. So my heart goes out to all the big girls.

[C]

It's like she never really.

[B]

Like, she never really speaks above this tone. Like, even when she says, like, I'm just really emotional right now. But I do want you all to know that, like, I see you and I appreciate all the love you give me.

[C]

Yeah, I. That it's coming. It's coming out on 1 to 1 to 10. We're at a 4, but I see

[B]

that worse than the Bernie.

[C]

But I see coming. But also very new for you, though. So I see. I see an 8 or a 9 for you very soon.

[B]

What do you give my. What do you give my Obama?

[C]

Do it again.

[B]

Here's what I'm trying to say. I have been on the podcast Zillow and Rivalry with Monet X Change.

[C]

I give that a solid seven.

[B]

Seven.

[C]

Yes. But I think that you do your women better like your Carol Channing is. I mean, it's a 10. We all know that.

[B]

Yeah. She has an easy voice to impersonate.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

I'm very proud of my Carol. I'm sorry, you were talking about your debate style.

[C]

Oh, yeah. So, like, when I debate and I have like, just. And we'll get the topic and I will, like, roughly put out, like, my ideas. So I have my ideas on page. I don't forget them. So debating I'm better at because I can prepare. Like what? Like things that I'm going to talk about. Whereas arguing, like, in the middle argument, I'll be. I'll be mad about some shit that I.

[A]

That.

[C]

That I.

[B]

That's been.

[C]

That.

[B]

That that's been percolating.

[C]

And then in the argument, I get so heated, I forget what they are.

[B]

Have you. Do you. But you don't do, like, any online debates or anything like that?

[C]

No, I don't do that. I don't do that.

[B]

Please do one with me. Please do.

[C]

I would do one.

[B]

I mean, you said you have a little bit of free Time today. We can do like a 10 minute debate after this. You just have to go live on TikTok and.

[C]

No, I don't. I don't have free time today. I have a gig today and you have to drive to Santa Barbara.

[B]

You said you're free till 11. What time is it now?

[C]

It's 10:18. But I also have to pack my suitcase, too.

[B]

You said you could podcast until 11. You said I had your time until 11 and now you're taking it back.

[C]

Because if I have early time, I have to go make breakfast. I need to go get my shit done now. We're gonna get this video.

[B]

You said you could do this till 11, so now you're taking it back. Takes these back seats, now you're taking these backseats. Are you about to do the other thing? You're about to do the other thing. I was not. I absolutely was not.

[C]

Did you learn to debate and argue at home?

[B]

No, we weren't really allowed to. I mean, my mom allowed us to speak our minds, but it wasn't really a debate. Like, she would hear us out and then she would say her piece and then she would tell us the verdict. But my mother was not like, shut up, don't talk. We were allowed to express ourselves at home, which I think is important for children. Should be allowed to express them. The whole, like, children should be seen and not heard as though is a really weird. It's weird. I don't know. I don't know where that came from or why it's so popular in the black community, but I was definitely allowed to express myself at home.

[C]

Yeah, I mean, I had a little less than that. Like, I wasn't. I wasn't a seen and not heard kid. My mom was definitely like, if I want to go to the park. My mom was not. Was trying to hear a dissertation why I want to go to the park. It was like, no, you can't go to the park because I said so. But I would always. I was often allowed to go. It wasn't like I was. It wasn't like, I just think this privilege I had to earn, like, I could go all the time, but there'll be like a reason why I can't go. Like, well, we're going out later, so you can't go. She wants you. She didn't want to hear, well, okay, mom, listen to me. I'm going. I'm going to go at this time, come back and shower and be ready. She's like, no, I just said, you can't go. But, you know, wait, I'm confused.

[B]

Were you given because I said so, or were you giving reasons usually?

[C]

No, it was. It was. It was because I said so. Oh. But okay, yeah, yeah.

[B]

I used to get rid. My mom was very patient and explained a lot of things to me.

[C]

Oh, no.

[B]

And my mother. My mother never said because I said so. She would always say. She would always say because, Chris, you cannot eat that food because it's not good for you. And you already had a lot of candy today. And because I allowed you to eat candy earlier, I'm not letting you eat this candy now. But it was never. It was never. My mother never gave me because I said so. She always. She always told me why she was making her verdict. And even if I didn't agree with it, she was like, well, that is my verdict, and this is why I'm doing it.

[C]

Oh, yeah.

[B]

Oh, why?

[C]

What Privilege, bitch. Why? But I have a bitch.

[B]

I have a. I have it.

[C]

I have an X, Y, or Z. I ain't get shit. It was just like.

[B]

No, I do encourage you all to tell your children. Why? Because they get to learn. They get to learn.

[C]

I agree.

[B]

And it's not just because, you know, like, I will never forget one time that one of the, like, biggest learning moments, I used to whine a lot. Like, if I didn't get something I want, I would go, like. Used to anyway. I would go, like. Like, literally that. And one day, I wanted my mom to hand me a comic book that was on the bed. There was a Storm comic book on the bed or an X Men Storm comic book with Storm on the front. I was like, mom, can you hand me that book? And she goes, no. And I was like, ah. And then she grabbed it and she handed it out to me. And then as I went to grab it, she pulled it back and she goes, I want you to know that I'm not handing you this because you were whining and crying. I'm handing you this because I love you and I want you to read it. And reading is good for you. And then I stopped doing it. And then that day, I was like, oh, I will stop doing that now.

[C]

That's so cute.

[B]

But that's also why I don't want to be a parent. I don't want to have to have that patience. What if I get a kid like me who's whining all the time, crying, oh, that would be horrible. If I ended. If I. If I had to raise myself, I'd be exhausted. I hate to raise Myself.

[C]

But I love. I love you so. I love raising you, baby.

[B]

First of all, you've never raised me. Bitch, I'm your fucking mother. Bitch. I am your mother. You listen to me.

[C]

Okay, so is this. Is that how you gonna talk to your kids? First of all, you gotta stop whining, bitch. I'm your parent. That's how you gonna talk to your kids.

[B]

That's what I talk to my oldest and baddest kid. Yeah, you. Yeah. If I ever had a kid like you, honey, your oldest and baddest kid

[C]

is Ray Mundo Santiago. Let's make that clear. I think I'm the last. I'm your baby. I'm your sweet little baby. Look how you treat me. I'm your youngest baby.

[B]

Shut the fuck up. You are ridiculous. Wow. Drag Judy darling. Drag.

[C]

Judy darling. Judy. Judy.

[B]

You call Judy old as hell. You call Judy old? Busted and disgusted. You said Judy's an old crunchy bitch.

[C]

Oh, my God.

[B]

But also am sending a lot of love to my drag daughter, Akilah, who is one of my drag daughters from We're Here, who I've actually stayed in contact with, and she's continued to do dragons, and she's doing a really fucking good job. So her name is Akeelah. Akey. Akey. A K E E L A H. Akeelah Akilah Blue. Y' all should check her out on social media. And I think she's doing a little LA tour. If you want to go support her while you're in LA Monet.

[C]

Akilah needs to do. Bob, have you not told this? She needs to do an Akilah and the Bee number.

[B]

That'd be cute.

[C]

An Akilah and the Bee.

[B]

I've never seen a. I've never seen Akilah and the Bee, though.

[C]

It's a spelling movie. But I mean, it's just the name. Just think about the name and like a B in something. It could be really cute.

[B]

But she's a fucking great performer. She's thinking of all my kids from drag. From. From. From where?

[C]

The red dress one. The red dress one. I know she doesn't do drag, but.

[B]

Yeah, the only one who continues to do drag, I think, is Akilah. She's my only. So I really do consider her, like, a real drag daughter. And I help her out with stuff and try to get her, you know, mentor. She's. She's my last drag kid. And I think. I think. I think I am. I think I'm calling it quits.

[C]

I don't believe you. You are just like, who? Jazz. That's Jasmine. Jasmine Rice has, like, nine drag kids. That's gonna be. That's you.

[B]

Well, I. I have the time to. To, like, help Akilah with stuff, but I don't think I will. You know, I take. I take drag mothering quite seriously. So, like, if. If I'm gonna be someone's drag mom, I really, like. I really like to show them the ropes and to the best of my ability, to then give them a push out of the nest and then. And then. And then help them win RuPaul's Drag Race.

[C]

Let me. I can't with you and this mic. You and this mic.

[B]

Yeah. Also a thing I do in my debates when I was debating. Okay, I had this one debate that was, like, epic. This guy named Mark, this Canadian guy named Mark, When I was gathering him. Mark. I was gathering Mark. Like, he was so mad. And whenever I make a great point, I would grab this microphone and be

[C]

like, I just h. What was the debate about?

[B]

It was about. It was about specifically queer rights and, like, whether or not drag queens should be allowed to read the children work. And I was saying. I think that. Saying that drag queens as a whole can't read the children, it's like saying musicians as a whole can't sing songs to kids because Cardi B has a song called Wap. Like, that's not how that works. There are some drag queens who aren't appropriate for kids. There are some drag queens who are. Drag is a very varied art form, you know, and it's not as black, as white as you're trying to make it. And he did not like that answer.

[C]

And so when you say something like that, See, when I hear something logical like that, what could possibly be their response? Like, what did he say to that?

[B]

He'd be like, yeah, but what about that one time that a drag queen was shaking her ass in a thong? And I'd be like, that was inappropriate.

[C]

Yeah, but not for kids.

[B]

And I was like, if you're actually in these streets trying to, like, protect children, I think that you should look in if you're really trying to do that. The most. The most people who are, like, attacking children are people who, like, live with them. You know, there are. There are priests, there are camp counselors. There are teachers. It's not drag queens. I was like, there's, like, practically no cases of drag queens. Then he goes, what about this one drag queen of Pennsylvania? I was like, well, I heard about her. I know about what she's doing. But like, that isn't. That is such an outlier. If you really care about protecting children, you'd go over to the Catholic church, honey, hello. If you really, really care about protecting children against this dangerous, dangerous entity. And then by the end, he just got ridiculous because I kept doing it. I could be like, and I ate you up. And he's like, you're pathetic. And I'd be like, yeah, pathetic, but I ate you up. And I'd be like, drop a knife and fork in the comments if you want to see me eat, Mark. If you don't want to see Mark get ate up.

[C]

Mark fully turns the camera, but puts his hold to the camera. All right, then, let me see you work.

[B]

Then Mark was like, if you didn't have your little fans. If you didn't have your little fans. And then he got really mad because he goes, you're not the kind of guy who defends your country on the front lines. And I said, defend my country?

[C]

Absolutely not.

[B]

I said, what does that have to do with anything? I said, first of all. And then I got him really mad, and I said, mark, I have a real question. How tall are you, baby? Mark got furious. When you ask straight guys how tall they are, when you ask alpha males, it drives them, especially if you are larger than them. When I told Mark that I was 6 to 240, he got. He was furious. He was like, I'm 411. I'm a £500. Like, no, Mark, for real. Tell us for real. How tall are you, Mark? For real, for real, for real, Mark. He. Then he got really mad. And then. But then he kept being like, you know what? You better just stay away from my children. I said, mark, you live in Canada. I didn't even know you had children until you entered them into the chat. I had no clue. So then he got really mad when I said, well, Mark, you better stay away. So then I got really paying him in, and I said, mark, what I know for sure that you need to stay away from my niece and nephew. I was like, will you promise to not DM my niece and nephew?

[C]

And then, my God, Bob.

[B]

And then he wouldn't answer that. I was like, why won't you ask that question? Why wouldn't you ask that question? You want to DM my niece and nephew, don't you? And he was like, you're. He was. He got really mad. And I was. I was like, you. And I kept being like, mark, stay the away from my niece and my nephew. And then people start coming on his thing be like, mark, stay away from Bob's children. And then I was like, that's how ridiculous you sound. Telling me to stay away from your kids. I didn't even know your kids existed. I don't want to fucking hang around with your fucking kids.

[C]

That's the reason Mark don't have no goddamn kids. He just be saying shit.

[B]

And I kept being like, mark is as ridiculous you think I sound telling you to stay away from my kids. That's how ridiculous you sound. But I don't want to hang out with your fucking kids. Right. What makes you think I want to hang out with your fucking kids? This is crazy.

[C]

Oh, Mark.

[B]

Yeah. I will post me and Mark's debate on the, on the Patreon. I don't. I. I don't know. Maybe it'll be interesting, maybe it won't be interesting, but I can post the me and Mark's debate on Patreon. It's. People were screen recording and I have pretty much the bulk of it downloaded and it was, it got wild. It gets.

[C]

Do you save these?

[B]

Well, they. Some people screen recorded and they uploaded it to the Google Drive. For me. I have a whole like second life. My TikTok debate life is like a whole second life for me. It is wild over there.

[C]

Well, but you're insane.

[B]

I will admit on this one you're right. My TikTok debating is. It's become an obsession. Like it's to the point where Jacob will come home from the gym or from wherever and it is almost guaranteed that I will be in a TikTok debate like almost every time. But there. But also I do have moments where there are some real ones where we're not like being petty. And those are usually the ones that I host myself. So I've had a couple where I've been able to have these debates and like, I actually, I got a bunch of black CIS women together with. With a few black trans women and they were explaining to this one CIS woman why CIS is not a slur and why it's not. And they actually like got to her. They like, they, they made her see why what she was saying was just too over the top. You know what I mean?

[C]

Sometimes I love stuff like that. But I'm like, I'm like. I'm like the amount of work that it takes to convince one person that something is not bad or, or to, to help them see the air in their ways, I'm like, that is so exhausting. I mean, the amount of work is.

[B]

I don't think it's just the one person. I think it's also the other people watching.

[C]

Yeah, sure, sure, sure. But it just feels like it's all of this effort for one person. It's like, fuck you sometimes. That's how I feel. I'm like. I'm like. I'm like. Like, I'm like sometimes with these. With these debates and stuff on. On social media, not just TikTok and social media, and you see, like, a pundit or someone trying to convince an evangelical that being gay is okay, I'm like, fuck that person. Like, fuck them. I don't need to explain to you why my existence is okay and why it is not harmful to anyone else.

[B]

And I think my point is that it's not always about that. I'm trying to find out who I had that debate with that was so great. That really helped me. I'm trying to find their. But that's the thing. It's really never about that person for me. It's often about the people watching, the people experiencing and how they get to learn how some of their behavior was really problematic, was really messy. Like, oh, like me and Sasha Sanchez and this one lady, I can't remember her name. So Sasha Sanchez is part of my, like, TikTok debate family now. I love her.

[C]

Who? Sasha Sanchez.

[B]

Sasha Sanchez. Yeah. If you look her up, you'll see. You'll see her be like, instantly, I

[C]

know who Stasha is. Yeah, yeah.

[B]

Sasha Sanchez is part of my TikTok debate family. We're on the same. We've made it in the same algorithm. And I cannot remember the name of this one lady. She's a grandmother, and she's this black CIS woman who's a little bit older, but she was able to help all these women see that they were just being messy and problematic and that they were maybe unintentionally aligning themselves with rhetoric that could be terf. Like. Or even yt Supremacist, might I say?

[C]

Yt. Bandana. Pew. Pew. Supremacies.

[B]

Unaliving.

[C]

Unaliving. Well, Roberta, in the future, I will join you debate. I'll join you for a TikTok debate in the future. We'll figure it out. When you're unbanned. When you're unbannanned.

[B]

Thank you. Well, I love you very, very much, and I hope whatever. Whatever you're doing today that's more important than this podcast, I hope you have fun doing that, and I will. And I hope that whatever's more important than this podcast can be fruitful in your life. Like this podcast is it.