The One About Every RuGirl (Part IX)

Summary

Sibling Rivalry Podcast — “The One About Every RuGirl (Part IX)”

Date: January 15, 2024
Hosts: Bob the Drag Queen & Monét X Change

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Episode Overview

In this ninth installment of their “Every RuGirl” series, Bob the Drag Queen and Monét X Change continue their journey through the pantheon of RuPaul’s Drag Race queens, serving up iconic stories, comedic quips, and candid opinions on RuGirls from their own seasons and beyond. The duo discusses everything from viral Drag Race moments to backstage industry folklore—including red M&Ms, drag lineages, and the cities they claim as home—while dishing on the careers, reputations, and personal run-ins with queens like Nina Bo’nina Brown, Alexis Michelle, Trinity the Tuck, Shea Couleé, Peppermint, Sasha Velour, and Vanessa Vanjie Mateo.

Throughout, their trademark sibling banter and sharp chemistry bring both heart and humor, making the episode both informative and a riot for Drag Race fans and casual listeners alike.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Viral Courtroom Fight & Drag Queen Lineages

• The episode kicks off with a discussion about a now-infamous courtroom attack video ([03:00]), where Bob and Monét riff on the athleticism of the assailant and their own brushes with the law.
• Bob shares a personal story of being threatened by a judge for chewing gum in court ([04:32]).
• Bob: “If you don’t stop chewing gum, your friend’s going to jail” ([04:57])
• This segues into a playful back-and-forth on identity and origins, with Bob and Monét debating which cities they’re “from” and teasing each other over claims to Atlanta, New York, and St. Lucia ([10:00+]).
• Bob (to Monet): “So are you from St. Lucia or not? … So you’re not St. Lucian, you’re not from St. Lucia.” ([11:15])

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2. Every RuGirl — Deep Dives & Highlights

Nina Bo’nina Brown

• Hailing from Atlanta, Nina is described as creative and innovative, but plagued by self-doubt and “fighting demons” during her season ([12:41]).
• Monet recalls Nina’s “Raw View” YouTube series critiquing Drag Race, suspecting Nina has beef with them but holding no hard feelings ([13:51]).
• Monet: “She had a beef either with me or both of us… but I don’t have any bad feelings toward Nina.” ([13:51])
• Myth-busting on industry folklore: the legend of red M&M’s. The co-hosts debate if this originated with Nina or Valentina, agreeing it’s not the diva request it’s cracked up to be ([14:38–17:32]).

Alexis Michelle

• Authentic New Yorker and “mainlining theater” queen, praised for her polish and Broadway sensibility ([19:21–22:27]).
• Monet recounts their early days working together at Pieces Bar, interacting with audiences at “Cards Against Humanity” nights ([20:57]).
• Alexis’ promo looks for All Stars 8 and Season 9 are highlighted as “fucking stunning” ([22:09]).
• Bob owns a dress from Alexis Michelle’s All Stars 8 wardrobe ([22:27]).

Trinity the Tuck

• Discussion about name changes and separation from the “Taylor” lineage ([24:38–25:15]).
• Trinity is lauded for being “visually pleasing” and able to oscillate between “opulent drag and straight up booger drag” ([25:53]).
• She’s described as a pageant queen discovering herself on TV and praised for her consistent strong performance, always making it to the top 3 ([26:18], [32:32]).
• Hosts joke about Southern town names like Trussville, Alabama, and city perceptions ([29:00–31:41]).

Shea Couleé

• Three-time Drag Race competitor, Shea’s hotdog entrance look and unique eye makeup are iconic ([33:11–33:48]).
• Noted for “aesthetic excellence,” musicality, and continued Chicago residency ([34:10]).
• Shea’s Marvel TV role and opening for Betty Who are celebrated as major career moves ([35:15–35:46]).

Peppermint

• Both hosts share adoration for this New York nightlife legend and trans trailblazer ([37:11–40:18]).
• Peppermint is credited by Monét as the most influential queen in her own journey into drag.
• Bob underscores Peppermint’s status: “When I came to New York City, Pep was the fucking queen of New York City. The queen. This was under—this was not even up for debate.” ([38:43])

Sasha Velour

• Discussed as a New Yorker, but with geographic confusion over whether she’s from Indiana or Illinois—ultimately established as a Brooklyn staple ([41:20–42:28]).
• Bob recalls twice crowning Sasha (Miss Look Queen and Drag Race winner) ([43:06]).
• Both hosts reminisce over her now-legendary “Gollum” number at Look Queen, and Sasha’s meticulous tidiness ([43:33–44:36]).

Vanessa Vanjie Mateo

• The hosts revisit “Miss Vanjie”—one of the most viral exit moments in Drag Race history ([48:17–48:55]).
• Monet describes the infectiousness of the “Miss Vanjie” chant during filming: “We kept on doing it throughout recording… would someone just be like, Vanjie, Ms. Vanjie?” ([48:55])
• Bob asks if iconic moments like “Miss Vanjie” ever get old for the queens; Monet insists Vanjie’s viral fame has only helped her ([49:28–49:52]).
• Discussion on queens’ complicated feelings about lasting catchphrases, e.g., Pearl’s “Is there something on my face?” ([50:09–50:36]).
• They observe Vanjie’s dramatic style evolution and her success on “24 Hours of Love,” including references to memorable moments with her mom ([52:53–54:55]).

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3. Drag Race Culture, Folklore, & Insider Moments

• Debates on the relative diva-ness of tour rider requests (red M&Ms vs. high-end liquors)—Bob claims he’s witnessed far more outrageous asks, including drugs and “hookers” ([17:32–18:04]).
• Genial squabbling over drag families, mother-daughter lineages, and the naming conventions among queens ([45:18–47:18]).
• Frequent playful insults and innuendos, e.g., “Eat my ass” and “Lead my nuts to your septum” ([23:12], [47:54]), all served with faux exasperation and laughter.
• References to actual drag mother/daughter check-ins, with Monet live-calling her own drag sibling for clarification ([46:04–47:14]).

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4. Memorable Quotes & Moments (with Timestamps)

• On judges abusing power:
  Bob: "If you don’t stop chewing gum, your friend’s going to jail." ([04:57])
• On Atlanta vs. New York drag roots:
  Bob: "I am from Atlanta and I am a New Yorker. I feel like I made this abundantly clear every single time." ([10:27])
• On Nina Bo’nina Brown:
  Monét: "She had a beef either with me or with both of us, or she didn’t like us or something. But I don’t have any bad feelings towards Nina. I’ve never met her, and I think she’s a really stunning drag queen.” ([13:51])
• On drag rider demands:
  Bob: “There are girls asking for cocaine. There are girls asking for hookers. There are girls asking for all this stuff on their rider.” ([18:04])
• On Alexis Michelle’s polish:
  Monét: “Alexis is a very, very, very polished queen, and she’s heavy in the theater… Like, y’all niggas really like theater.” ([21:52])
• On Trinity the Tuck’s evolution:
  Bob: “She’s kind of like a pageant queen who’s, like, rediscovering herself through the notion of not feeling the need to perform pageantry all the time.” ([25:53])
• On Peppermint’s influence:
  Monét: "If I’m really thinking about it, like, Peppermint—I saw her in real life. I was so enamored… For all intents and purposes, I think Peppermint is the person who is the reason I’m here doing this podcast." ([39:03])
• On Sasha Velour’s creativity:
  Monét: “And then she transforms into Gollum. And it was everything. The bar went up, people were like, ah, just throwing money at the stage. And it was so cool.” ([43:33])
• On Vanjie’s exit:
  Bob: “Vanessa Mateo has probably one of the most viral moments in the history of Drag Race, which was the exit on Vanjie…” ([48:41]) Monét: “We were all laughing hysterically when it happened real time. And then we kept on doing it…” ([48:55])
• On show catchphrases and legacy:
  Bob (to Monet): “Do you like when people say, soak it up to you?”
  Monet: “Yeah, I love it. I'm not like, why?” ([51:14–51:17])
• Closing sibling banter:
  Monét: “You and Jacob, literally, y'all are scammers. Y'all are, like, scammers. Y'all are scamming people.” ([52:28])
  Bob: “Interesting. Now, here's another request. Bobby, Drag queen videos. Can we do a compilation of Monet just lying about everything?” ([52:31]) Monét: “On that note, I have to go. I’m so offended… I think I do need a break from you.” ([57:11])

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Notables & Easter Eggs

• References to Drag Race culture: Ongoing jokes about identity-flexing between New York and Atlanta, the infamous “red M&M” industry myth, and the competitive/kinship-based nature of drag lineages.
• Live Drag Family Call: Monet calls drag sibling Alfredo (Free) on-air to confirm their drag name’s origin ([46:16–47:14]).
• Consistent playful jabs: Bob and Monet’s banter is cut-throat but loving—fart noises, “childish” jibes, and a never-ending back-and-forth on lying, gaslighting, and scamming.

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Final Thoughts

Fans of Sibling Rivalry and RuPaul’s Drag Race will find this episode packed full of behind-the-scenes insights, hilarious shade, and affectionate tributes. The hosts continue to blend deep drag knowledge with their signature irreverence, making for an engaging listen whether you’re a superfan or just Ru-curious. Bob’s storytelling and Monet’s candid reflections make each queen’s segment shine, even as they never miss a chance to drag each other.

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Major Segments by Timestamp

• Courtroom chaos/Bob’s Judge Story: [02:48–05:50]
• Where are you from? Debate: [10:00–12:32]
• Nina Bo’nina Brown: [12:41–18:46]
• Alexis Michelle: [19:21–23:51]
• Trinity the Tuck: [24:38–32:35]
• Shea Couleé: [33:11–36:52]
• Peppermint: [37:11–41:10]
• Sasha Velour: [41:20–47:14]
• Vanessa Vanjie Mateo: [48:17–55:41]

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Quote of the Episode:
Bob: “When I came to New York City, Pep was the fucking queen of New York City. The queen. This was not even up for debate.” ([38:43])

Memorable Banter:
Monét: “You and Jacob, literally, y’all are scammers.” ([52:28])
Bob: “Interesting. Now, here’s another request…” ([52:31])

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Transcript

[Bob the Drag Queen]

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[Bob the Drag Queen]

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[Monet X Change]

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[Monet X Change]

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[Bob the Drag Queen]

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[Monet X Change]

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[Bob the Drag Queen]

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[Monet X Change]

And y', all, I am coming to Joe's Pub. I think the 1st and 2nd, I think the 6th and 7th 17th are sold out. But we still have tickets for the 18th. So come and see me do my thing. My one woman show, Life be life ing, which was legendary at the Edinburgh Fringe Festival Live for you in New York City at Joe's Pub on January 16th, 17th and 18th.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

And last but not least, I am on tour with Madonna until April. So go to madonna.com and see me in a town near you with the actual Queen of Pop. My name is Bob the Drag Queen

[Monet X Change]

and I'm Monet x Change. And this is simply rivalry.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

On this week's episode, we find out where Monet's really from.

[Monet X Change]

We continue our series of Every Rude Girl Part nine.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

And we find out what made Monet say this.

[Monet X Change]

You and Jacob, literally, y' all are scammers. Like, y' all are, like, scammers. Y' all are scamming people. And we find Out. What made Bob say this?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Listen, I'm not saying the name, but I had heard. That is incriminating and criminal. Did you hear about the judge in Las Vegas who was attacked by the guy?

[Monet X Change]

Bitch hair. I saw the video, baby girl.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

That was. That was in this man's athleticism, because that's high, right?

[Monet X Change]

To hike over that thing is pretty. He must have been a speed hurdler or something.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

And he cleared it. Didn't even. And he grabbed her up.

[Monet X Change]

Well, have you ever seen those videos of those guys doing high jumps? And, like, the way they curl their body and, like, you like, oh, there's no way he's gonna. He's. He's not gonna hit this. And their feet just always.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

It was almost like a javelin. The way he covered, cleared. It was like. Was like a javelin, not a javelin. What's it when you pole vaulting? It was like. Pole vault?

[Monet X Change]

Yeah, the high jump. Pole vault people. Yeah.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Yeah. And have you ever been in a courtroom and had a judge get slick with you because they be getting slick?

[Monet X Change]

No, I've never been in court.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Have you? Yeah, I got arrested. You all know I was arrested. You have to go to court if you get arrested?

[Monet X Change]

No, not necessarily. You can get arrested. You know, you don't have to go to court. I was arrested. I didn't go to court.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I had. I had to go to court. Got it to fight my charges and the judge.

[Monet X Change]

Did you win?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Did I win? Well, I got it pulled for my record, so you got a sponge. Okay, super. And then when I was on. When I was in the midst. Is that the case, Jacob, for you? Yeah, we can turn it up a little bit. How is that.

[Monet X Change]

That sounds normal. Yeah.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

And when I went back to court, because also, when other people in my activism group were arrested, we would. We would go to. We would go to court with them, too.

[Monet X Change]

Oh, yeah, y'.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

All.

[Monet X Change]

Would you go in drag?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

No, not normally. But one time, I was chewing gum, and the judge was, like, mad at me because I was like, chewing gum. And I wasn't even, like, on the. I was just, like, sitting in the audience just like. And the judge was like, hey, stop chewing gum. And I was like. I. I was like, I'm just literally sitting. Like, I'm not. I'm not the defendant. I'm not the plaintiff. I'm not a lawyer. I'm just a person sitting here supporting someone. They were like, if you don't stop doing chewing gum, your friends going to jail.

[Monet X Change]

That's crazy. And, like, they threaten you, and you Feel like if you don't comply, that what they do. Because, like, in that space, you feel so powerless. Like, you feel like you're. They can do whatever they want with you. And that's.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

That was on a. Is it 1 Center Street?

[Monet X Change]

The downtown.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

The street. 1 Center Street? Yep. That's the motherfucking one. No, in New York City.

[Monet X Change]

Downtown.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Yeah. Is it one Center Street?

[Monet X Change]

I think so. That's the one all the way downtown. By.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

By is one something.

[Monet X Change]

I think it's Center Street.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Yeah, you might be right. I mean, I might be right. Whatever. That's the point. The point was, the judge was like, if you don't stop chewing gum, your friend's going to get it. I was like, this is crazy. You don't even know who I'm here to support, bitch. I'm here to support you. Can you get it now, bitch?

[Monet X Change]

Why'd you gotta be a bitch, though?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

It was a guy.

[Monet X Change]

Why he gotta be a bitch, though?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Cause he was acting like a bitch. That was Bitch move. If you don't stop chewing your gum, you don't stop chewing gum. Your friend's gonna get it. I was like, he really went there. This is crazy.

[Monet X Change]

The video, you can see her, like, trying to, like, run away. Like, as she sees, like, she realized what's happening, and you see it realizing her face, and she's like. And he just gets her and pulls her down.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I mean, he did not help his case.

[Monet X Change]

Oh, those cops, they probably treated him so bad. They probably beat him up a little extra back there. They probably treated him so bad.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

They probably hit that judge, too. They probably, like. They probably was dapping him up. Like, fuck that bitch.

[Monet X Change]

No, she be on baseball.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I don't think that he. That he. That he. He was like, I made a lot of progress. And then he was like, I'm gonna beat this bitch up. It was very Demi Lovato. I remember thinking, I'm about to beat this bitch's ass.

[Monet X Change]

I know. I remember thinking, I'm gonna punch her in the face.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

No, Demi Lovato said. And I remember thinking, I'm about to beat this bitch up.

[Monet X Change]

I don't think that was the line, babe.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

That was the line. I'm gonna look it up. And I remember thinking, I'm about to beat this. What did you think it was?

[Monet X Change]

I think it was. I remember thinking, I'm gonna punch her in the face.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Yeah, I'm about to beat this bitch up.

[Monet X Change]

Really?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Yeah.

[Monet X Change]

Didn't Martin Luther King say, non violent, non violent, non violent?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I don't Think how do we know that Demi Lovato believes in Martin Luther King?

[Monet X Change]

I don't know. I'm just saying. I'm just posing the question.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I'm about to beat this bitch up. That is such a great quote. I remember thinking I'm about to beat this up. And speaking of beating up, let's wait.

[Monet X Change]

Have you ever thought that you're going to beat a beat a up? I have.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Really Just my old like this guy who broke into my house once when I was. I told the story on the podcast before my old. Me and my brother let this guy come live with us for a little while. A childhood friend. And then he robbed, came back and robbed us. And I was very, very hurt about it. Very, very hurt.

[Monet X Change]

I remember thinking that one time, I

[Bob the Drag Queen]

remember thinking if I ever see him, I'm going to. I remember that's the only time in my life I have ever been. Literally like when I say on site, I'm not joking, bitch. The moment I see this guy, I would have attacked him.

[Monet X Change]

Do you think that you would have like went through with it, like in all seriousness, like if you can go back in time.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Yes, yes, yes. I would say for probably six months.

[Monet X Change]

And what would have been your. Was it like punch in the face or was it a let's fight or were you sneak attacking? What was your action?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

It was a melee. It was just rush and attack. I don't care if he's facing me, if he was facing away from me, if he's walking away, if he was laying on his deathbed. On site means on site.

[Monet X Change]

I only felt like that one time. It was when I was doing a podcast with this guy and he called me a stupid looking Saint Bernard. And I remember thinking, I'm gonna beat this bitch's ass.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

A guy could have been me because I'm non binary bitch.

[Monet X Change]

So who was the guy back then? You were not back then. You were. I wasn't aware you were non binary. You told me that you were just this.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Who is this man you're talking about

[Monet X Change]

that you were sis back then.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

So who's this? Oh, you think that's how being

[Monet X Change]

you identified as a CIS gay man back then?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Did I?

[Monet X Change]

Yes you did.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Did I?

[Monet X Change]

Yes, you did.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Interesting. Wow. First you misquote Vimy Lovato. Who is back. Who is back to using she her pronoun. Who's back to using she her pronouns now?

[Monet X Change]

Yes, she went back to being a man.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

So who are we on? Jacob?

[Monet X Change]

We are on the legend.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Nina Bonita Brown.

[Monet X Change]

Nina Bonita Brown Turner, you ever met Nina Bonina?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

She's from Atlanta, Georgia. There's a lot of Atlanta based drag queens in the RuPaul Cinematic Universe, and several of us. I think Atlanta might. I think New York City has the most winners, and Atlanta has the next most winners. And. But it's kind of hard to determine because, like, the New Yorkers aren't from New York. You know what I mean?

[Monet X Change]

But we're like, yes, we are.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Me, James, and Violet are. Are all from Atlanta. Okay, that's three. That's probably more than I swear. But also, I'm also New York.

[Monet X Change]

The other day you had. You had a whole stink about why is New York not on my thing.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Why is what?

[Monet X Change]

Why is New York not on my Wikipedia? Like, I don't understand now you're like, ugh, I'm from Atlanta.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I've always made it very clear. I am from Atlanta and I am a New Yorker. I feel like I made this abundantly clear every single time. Somehow. Something's not clicking with you.

[Monet X Change]

It's clicking. But Bob loves to throw this in. I've heard this many times. I lived in New York the longest ways. I lived in New York the longest of any place I've ever lived in. Then, bitch, stop talking about New York. If you now you a winner. Y. Y. Y' all see what I'm saying? Like, stop talking about you a winner. You were trying to claim Atlanta. Now did leave New York out of your mouth.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

So are you from St. Lucia or not? You weren't born there.

[Monet X Change]

I wasn't born there, and I don't. You weren't born there, but I lived there for. I lived there for. For 10 years. But I always say I'm a New Yorker.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I lived in New York City for 12 years.

[Monet X Change]

Okay, but I always say I'm a New Yorker. I don't ever wage from that.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

So are you from St. Lucia or not?

[Monet X Change]

But I don't ever waver from saying I'm a New Yorker.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Answer the question. Are you from St. Lucia or not?

[Monet X Change]

I'm not from St. Lucia. I live there.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Interesting. So you're not St. Lucia and you're not from St. Lucia.

[Monet X Change]

But I have. But unlike you, y' all heard that.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Saint Lucia. You don't heard that. She disowned you.

[Monet X Change]

I have a dual citizenship. I have two passports. So I am a citizen of the United States of America.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I'm not asking if you're a citizen of Lucian. You are an American.

[Monet X Change]

You don't have a passport in Atlanta and New York.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I'm not asking you if you're a citizen of St. Lucia. I'm asking you, are you from St. Lucia? You said no. You made it clear you're not Saint Lucian. You're not from Saint Lucia. You made it very clear you're not from Saint Lucia. So you all heard it.

[Monet X Change]

Things that Saint Lucians ain't listening. To verify who is their kin or not is by the drag queen.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Ok. It's ok. Listen. They don't have to listen to me. They listen to you.

[Monet X Change]

Oh, God. Background is so dirty.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

You don't have to listen to me. You said out loud with your own mouth that you're not saying Lucian Jacob,

[Monet X Change]

I don't know what kind of shady stink stuff you trying to load up, but it ain't loading because you're into that is what? Garbage.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

All I know is they don't have to listen to me. They can listen to. To the New Yorker, not St. Lucian's mouth. She said she's not from St. Lucian. So y' all can stop claiming Monet. First of all, she's not Saint Lucian. There it is.

[Monet X Change]

Big Red. Let's get. Let's. Let's talk about Nina Bonita Brown. My name is. Yeah. They call him Big Red. Yeah.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I cannot believe you disowned St. Lucia. This is crazy. Nina Bona Brown is from Atlanta, Georgia, and she's. She had a really interesting run on the show. She really has some. An inner saboteur.

[Monet X Change]

I really believe Nina was fighting some demons.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Sure. A big part of her was like, no one hates me and no one likes me. Everybody hates me. It's okay. Like, she's one of the folks who on the show is having a big problem with, like, well, since you all hate me, then I'll just leave, or stuff like that. Mm.

[Monet X Change]

Yeah. And. But Nina was. Nina was. She's such a creative. And Nina was another girl that she had, like, a. People knew about her before she was on the show because of how stellar and how, like. And how she's able to craft some of this amazing and really beautiful drag during her season. She really had a lot of that. How about Damon's look really affected. It seemed like it affected her in the show. And Nina Bonina had that show, Nina's raw view, where we should give her raw views about seasons of Drag Race, and apparently she. She still does it.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Yeah, she does, Ravi. Yeah.

[Monet X Change]

It used to pop up on my YouTube all the time. Now it doesn't. Maybe she, like, blocked me or something, but she had. I think she has, like, A beef either with me or with both of us, or she didn't like us or something. There was something around that at some point. But I don't have any bad feelings towards Nina. I've never met her, and I think she's a really stunning drag queen. And her raw view, I think is very funny.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I've seen a couple times I met Nina. I've never watched the Raw View, but I have met Nina a few times. I met her at a gig in Boston, and I met her at a gig in Atlanta. 1. She just kind of came to Atlanta gig. We did the Boston gig together. And she's very quiet. She's very quiet. Like, she really stays to herself. She doesn't really bother anyone. She doesn't really interact with other people. But she showed up and she was on time and she looked good, and she did her job, and she left.

[Monet X Change]

Allegedly.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

My ex wish is very professional.

[Monet X Change]

Allegedly. The red Eminem, because there's this, like, whole folklore. We're gonna talk about it very soon, because the other queen it's about is Valentina and about how, like, the red. There was this whole folklore about how Valentina requests Red MMs for her meet and greets, blah, blah, blah, blah. And it apparently came out later that it wasn't really about Valentina. It was about Nina. And it was this whole, like, kerfuffle about who really wants to red M and Ms.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I don't know. It was about Nina, but who ended up being about.

[Monet X Change]

I don't know. It's still, like, in this. No one knows. Like, this is like. No one knows.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Is it crazy to me that I'm like. I don't think that's that crazy of a request.

[Monet X Change]

I mean, in 2024, maybe not, but I feel like only over the past. In the past three years, they started. Only they started selling them by color. Like, you can get. I think now you can buy, like, just red MMs in the packet, but before, you'd have to buy a colorful one and. And just pick the red M and Ms. Out, which is a little crazy, I think.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I don't think that this idea. They were selling red M and Ms. By pack as newly as is true. You can get red M and you get Eminem by color. You can get the rim of a color for a very long time. This has been for a very, very long time. Like, probably like, over 20 years. When I moved to New York City, When I moved to New York City 15 years ago, you could go to Eminem World and just get just red M M's. And you could also go on their. You could also go to their website and also just get red M and Ms. Yeah. Any crazier than asking for a ball of Dun Julio? I really don't.

[Monet X Change]

I don't think so. I think that in. In New York, sure, you can go to. But if you're in. What's that place?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

The website. Go to their website.

[Monet X Change]

Go to the website on the website back then. I think that's pretty new.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

You haven't. You're. What are you basing that on?

[Monet X Change]

Because I don't ever remember seeing that. And I remember hearing that you didn't

[Bob the Drag Queen]

see it because you didn't see it as it didn't exist.

[Monet X Change]

Did you order red Eminem for the website? Did you. Have you done this before?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

No, but I saw. But I saw that you can get red M and Ms. By themselves. And New York is pretty. Eminem world is pretty specific, but it's not that fudgeing unique like getting red M and Ms. Is. I don't think would be that because I know they were selling Lifesavers just reds back in the day. You can get them at any cvs. It's called Lifesavers mixed reds. You could get Skittles in specific colors off the website. You can get custom M M's for a very long time. They'll put your pictures on them. You can get custom Oreos. You can get custom Skittles. When it comes to snacks, I know snacks. If it. Now we're not talking about life

[Monet X Change]

besides the Eminem store. And maybe right about the website, I don't remember ever seeing that, but I don't think that red, like getting a specific color was as. As. As accessible as it is in the past maybe five, six years.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

But that's not based off anything. Yeah, but anyway, even. Even if it is, I don't think it's that big of a deal. And I think that it's less crazy than ordering a bottle of Jose Cuervo or Don Julio or Moet or some expensive champagne. Just get like, literally three big bags of M and Ms. And separate them, which costs like five bucks. Or have someone go buy a $300 bottle of liquor. Like, girl, there are girls asking for cocaine. There are girls asking for hookers. There are girls asking for all this

[Monet X Change]

stuff on their rider.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I heard. I had heard.

[Monet X Change]

On their rider box.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I had heard. No, I had heard who. Girl, I had heard. Say their names. Their names. Listen, I'm not saying their name, but I had heard. That is incriminating. And criminal. So I'm not. So I'll. Maybe I'll tell you after this break. Maybe. Maybe.

[Monet X Change]

All right, we are back. So, yeah. So, Nina, I really don't listen to this podcast. Am I making that Bob? Am I making that Bob up? Am I making that up? Did she have a beef with us or was it just me?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I think she's just not impressed with us. And I think it's us both. She doesn't like us, but if so, I think she's really talented. And I think that I was. I was. I was. I was not rooting for her to win, but I really liked her on her season. I felt bad that she was going through such. Because I go through moments like that too, where I'm just like, man, it feels like no one here likes me. So I've experienced that before. And it's probably hard to be in that space in a competition setting where you already feel paranoid all the time anyway. So shout out to Nina Bonina Brown Ninta.

[Monet X Change]

Let's go on to our next queen, who is another born and bred raised New Yorker. It's Alexis Michelle.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

A real New Yorker. Not someone who. Not someone who halfway claims St. Lucia, but then when, when, when. When push comes to shove, says she's not Saint Lucian. A real

[Monet X Change]

going on, Michelle, Alexis Michelle and I. I had my first ever gig. Well, not my first ever. It was my second. My first ever gig in New York. Pay gig was at the Phoenix Bar, but my second gig, soho.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I thought she was from the West Village.

[Instacart Advertiser]

That.

[Monet X Change]

Is that what.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

She's from Soho? I thought she's from West Village.

[Monet X Change]

I think she's from SoHo. But her. I mean, I'm in SoHo business. But her, she. Anyway, I don't.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Whatever. I've been to her house, and she's definitely a boho above house. Oh, my God, Bob, stop telling her. Business above Houston is not like ratting out where.

[Monet X Change]

We're also saying. We're also saying the West Village. Wait, is it that close? We're like, we're.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

We're. We're narrowing it down. You know, I don't think that saying that I met her in the West Village is incriminating. It's like when Pep goes, I live in Harlem. Pep says it all the time. I lived in Washington High. I don't think that saying that someone lives in a neighborhood that has probably over 100,000 people is really that big of a deal, but. And she says it, does she? You and your Kamika shit.

[Monet X Change]

You know, as a real New Yorker, Anyway, so Alexis and I, we both

[Bob the Drag Queen]

work together in a fake Saint Lucian. In a fake Saint Lucian.

[Monet X Change]

Alexis and I both work together at Pieces Bar at a show called Cars Against Humanity, that. At our producer editor, Jay's Bar. And I would do. I would play cards against humanity with the audience. And Alexis was my bartender. Sometimes she would do it in drag, sometimes she'd do it out of drag. But yeah, we had a gig together every Monday night. And whether it was literally. Literally, quite literally, sometimes maybe two people there, or sometimes we were really busy and there were a lot of people there. We would show up and I would. Cards against humanity with the patience of Pieces, and we really got to know each other. I don't really love Alexis. Alexis is a very, very, very polished. Like, for as long as I remember, Alexis has always been a very polished queen, and she's heavy in the theater. This bitch is mainlining theater. People who love theater like that. I'm like, y' all niggas really like theater. Theater has done a thing on y'. All. Y' all love this theater shit.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I mean, that makes it. Theater is incredibly exciting. So that's not a loss on me. I do agree that Alexis Michelle is insanely polished. Like, her look is a big part of her. Her thing. I think she really considers herself a performer first. But Alexis Michelle continues to have some of the best promo looks. Both of her promo looks for All Stars 8 and for season 9 were both just fucking stunning. I actually bought a dress from Alexis Michelle. I have one of her. We're about the same size. I have one of her dresses from her run on All Stars 8 work.

[Monet X Change]

Which one

[Bob the Drag Queen]

is black? Like, it's a black gown that is brocade and it has. And the tits. Come on. These, like, little points.

[Monet X Change]

Lucelyn Laduca is sending me her makeover duster that I love so much. She's so sweet.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Wait, what? How did you get to Lucy Laduca? How do we do this jump? What happened?

[Monet X Change]

I'm just saying, cuz, you have a thing for another Drag Race girl. Lucy Laduka is sending me her thing.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Oh, you said her dusted look. Oh, I didn't know. You said she. Because that I, I. That wasn't intelligible. So I was like, what?

[Monet X Change]

Yeah. Cause you're not listening. You listen with this, not this. You listen with these, not this.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Shut the up. Your. Your mom. You mumble. That's what's really popping off.

[Monet X Change]

Eat my ass.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Eat my ass.

[Monet X Change]

You're such a child. You're so childish. You making fart sounds Any reason to

[Bob the Drag Queen]

point your ass at the camera? We get to show off your butt. We get it every episode. Some reason to point your fer at the camera.

[Monet X Change]

Yeah, I'm g. And I'll do it again. Bam. Bam, B. Who? What? Which comedian is that?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Monique. Monique, less you think. I think I just turned black yesterday. I have.

[Monet X Change]

I have my doubts.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Of course you do.

[Monet X Change]

Only.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Only fake black people doubt other people's blackness. So let's just make that. Let's move on. It's something. Well, let me read that. Problematic. Let me read that. Problematic black people doubt if he was black only. That's what I should have said. Only problematic black people doubt other people's blackness.

[Monet X Change]

Yeah, nigga, edit yourself.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Let's go on. Yeah, I'm editing myself. I realized what I said was. Was messy, so I'm rolling it back. Only problematic black people doubted people's blackness. And I think maybe you might be a little problematic.

[Monet X Change]

Oh, I am a little problematic. But let me tell you something. If I'm a little problematic, nigga, if this. If I am on the scale of problematicity, nigga use a tan. Okay, let's be clear on that.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Let's go on to the queen who should have won All Stars by herself.

[Monet X Change]

Trinity the Tuck Monet exchange. I'm later. I'm later on.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

We're on Trinity, who does not use the name Trinity.

[Monet X Change]

She's Trinity.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

When did she take the name Trinity Taylor? What it was after. So when she was on season nine, she was Trinity Taylor. When she came back for All Stars 4, she was Trinity the Tuck.

[Monet X Change]

Yeah. All Stars 4, they were called, like, on the first episode of All Stars 4, she was like. He's like, hi, I'm going by Trinity. Trinity. Trinity. Trinity the Tuck. Now, like, she did it on All Stars 4.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Was it something with, like, the Taylors? Is she, like, separated from the Taylors, or is it just, like.

[Monet X Change]

I don't know. I don't think Taylor was ever part of her lineage. She just. She just, like, called herself Trinity Taylor. She's not from, like, a line of Taylor, which I did Mistress Isabelle books podcast today, and she was telling me about my lineage. I didn't realize. Kennedy Davenport is my aunt. She's my great auntie.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Yeah, because of Honey. Because of Honey Davenport?

[Monet X Change]

Well, no, because of Sahara

[Bob the Drag Queen]

and Honey, too.

[Monet X Change]

Well, yeah, Honey through Sahara. Yeah. Sahara and Honey. Sahara and Kennedy were sisters, and then Sahara is. Yeah, yeah.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Trinity is a very visually pleasing queen. She really knows how to do some opulent drag, but she also knows how to really do skag drag. Like, Trinity will do some straight up booger drag intentionally. Book of Drag. She's kind of like. I feel like she's like a pageant queen who's, like, rediscovering herself through the notion of not feeling the need to perform pageantry all the time.

[Monet X Change]

I think we saw Trinity, like, realize who she was in real time on tv. Like, some queens go into Drag Race, like, fully known who they are. You know what I mean? And some queens, like, discover who they are on Drag Race. Even though she's in pageantry for a long time, it's clear, like, she discovered herself on Drag Race.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

It said that she's Native American and Lebanese.

[Monet X Change]

She's. I mean, I knew about the Native American thing. She's.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

She's.

[Monet X Change]

She Lebanese now. She Lebanese.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Apparently she's Lebanese. There's bombings in Lebanon, too. I did not know that until one of my friends who's from Lebanon told me that his family had to move out of Lebanon, like, flee the country because all of their bank accounts were, like, frozen and they couldn't get their money. And, like, I was like, oh, my God. And I real. That's crazy.

[Monet X Change]

Yeah.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Anyway, sorry for that distraction. So, yeah, I mean, she's a really interesting. Trinity's a. She's from Alabama, which, I mean, you know, my father is from Alabama, and I have a lot of family from Alabama who probably who still lives there. A lot of my family has now moved to Georgia from Alabama. Have you ever been to Alabama?

[Monet X Change]

Be Bob's. I've been to Mobile and Birmingham.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Birmingham.

[Monet X Change]

Birmingham.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

It's not Birmingham. It's Birmingham, Alabama.

[Monet X Change]

I can pronounce what I want.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

No one in Alabama goes. No one in Alabama goes Birmingham, Alabama.

[Monet X Change]

It's like. It's like transplants that call it Houston Street.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Okay? First of all, I've never called it Houston.

[Monet X Change]

Not once.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I call it once Bob. I've never called it. First of all, the first time it was introduced to me, it was called Houston. She's going to meet me on Houston. So I didn't. I didn't. I didn't just stumble across Houston and go, oh, shit, Houston. I didn't Just, like, I wasn't just walking one day through Soho or through the Village and stumbled upon Houston and was like, how do I. And just out loud read and said, houston. Someone said, meet me on Houston. Someone to Houston.

[Monet X Change]

And who was this person?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

It was. That's none of your business. But it was a meeting. I went to a meeting where people go to help each other in one of the meetings on Houston. Shout out to midnight. It's called Midnight on Houston.

[Monet X Change]

Okay. I mean, now you just. You done drop all the. All the clues now you. Now you. Now fans gonna show up there looking for you.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I. I will not be there. I will. I live in la, so I will not be at midnight on Houston. Yeah, but. But also. But I mean, she's from like the girl. She's from like the. She says she's from the sticks.

[Monet X Change]

Yeah.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Trust. I don't even know what Trustville, Alabama is.

[Monet X Change]

It sound racist down there. It sound like it's. It sound that I should not be there after dark. Trustville.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Have you ever spent any, like, extensive time in Alabama?

[Monet X Change]

No, I don't. As someone like growing up in, you know, above the Mason Dixon line, like in New York, like, we're taught to be not fearful of. Like, in all seriousness, like, when you hear places like Trussville and like these places in the south that you don't hear about that sound really scary and hickish, like, you're like. I have such a perception of what I think that is. Like there's that show Flora Bama on mtv in my mind, all the places that aren't like Atlanta and Birmingham and like Jackson, like, that's what all the rest of the south is in my mind.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

That's not necessarily a fair assessment.

[Monet X Change]

I'm sure it's not. Trust me, growing up in the north, that's what you think.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I wouldn't know that Trustville was Alabama. It sounds like it's from Pennsylvania. Trustville, Pennsylvania. That sounds like a place in Pennsylvania to me. Welcome to Trustville. Hi, welcome to Trustville, Pennsylvania. But Trustville probably is a little bit. Trustville is probably not. Not like that. You know what I mean? I mean, I used to live in Alabama for a couple of years.

[Monet X Change]

Let me Google Maps Trustville and see what the Google map image is of it.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

What is the population of 2 of Trussville.

[Monet X Change]

Trussville, Alabama. Okay, that seems like there's a lot going. Uh, you see. See this exact what I thought she was gonna look like. What y' all look at Trussville. This is exactly what the hell I was thinking.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I can't see. What is that supposed to be? What is that?

[Monet X Change]

It's just. What is it?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Can you tell what you're looking at?

[Monet X Change]

It's a lot of woods and rocks and houses that.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

You don't have fields right now. Militia.

[Monet X Change]

These houses look. Actually this is not a bad looking house.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

You don't have fields, rocks and houses in St. Lucia?

[Monet X Change]

No. Okay, I want you to guess.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

There's no Fields in St. Lucia.

[Monet X Change]

No.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

You will. You won't do anything but tell the

[Monet X Change]

truth, Bob, because you're asking. Of course there are fields and rocks and trees in St. Lucia.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

You're like, fields, rocks, and houses. You just describe St. Lucia. You ain't got fields, rocks. You just described everywhere.

[Monet X Change]

When I give you a smart answer, because I feel like you're asking me a rhetorical. Like, obviously, you're like Monet. Like Monet, there is no oxygen in St. Lucia. I'm like, of course there's.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Well, the reason why I say is because of what you said was so absurd. Fields, rocks, and houses. Okay, what's wrong with fields?

[Monet X Change]

Guess how much on today, December, January 4th. Guess how much a night, a stay, a night at the Hilton Garden Inn in Birmingham is, which is like a mid dollar 75. 66.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

66. I was close. Yeah.

[Monet X Change]

The cost of the price of a hotel will tell you a lot about the city,

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I. I reckon. Yeah. Well, more about its commerce or, you know, and it's tourism board and how much goes on there. But that being said,

[Monet X Change]

give me my calling card.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Back to Trinity. Unless. About Trustville. I do think she's a really fierce competitor. She has made it to the top three in every season of Drag Race.

[Monet X Change]

She.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Wait, was she top three?

[Monet X Change]

Yeah, I know, because she got eliminated first. No Shade did. So technically, Trinity, I guess, on all

[Bob the Drag Queen]

her stuff, she made it to the top three of every season Drag Race she's ever been on. That is very, very impressive. So let's talk more about the next person when we get back.

[Monet X Change]

All right. And we are back. And up next is a queen that I really fancy a lot. I think she's very talented, and I love working with her. It is Shea motherfucking Coulee.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Shay has been on three seasons of RuPaul's Drag Race.

[Monet X Change]

Mm. And she is one of those queens who was highly anticipated to be on Drag Race for a long time. People really wanted Shoshe to be on the show. And when I think about Shay, one of the first things I think about is her entrance look. That hot dog thing. She had the hot dog on her head with those blue thigh leggings, those thigh high leggings. And I just remember her like her hot dog Chicago look.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I think about her signature eye makeup and what she does with her eye and the shape of her eyebrow is just so unique to me. And it's one of those things where, like, no matter whose face I saw it on, say Again, I just.

[Monet X Change]

I just did the Beyonce uni.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Oh. No matter whose face I saw it on, I'd be like, oh, that's Shay. That's Shay's makeup. Shay is a Chicago girly. And she. She. After. After winning Drag Race and being on Drag Race, she stayed in shy town. She did not leave the shy for even a hot second.

[Monet X Change]

Yeah. Shay has never left Chicago. Shay is a very. Like, Naomi. I think of Shay to be very aesthetic. Like, Shay is very aesthetically pleasing. Like, when you see Shay, like, all of, like, aesthetically, she. She's always in line and with her brand and, like, what that is always.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

She's also a very, very good performer. Shay's a great dancer. Shea executes. She's also a great writer. Her musicality is great. One would say she would even say it on a song with the Vixen. And who else was that on the song?

[Monet X Change]

I think it was just those two.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

No, no, there's one more. It was. It was Sheikh Lay, the vixen and somebody else. But Jacob, you looked it up and let us know when we get a second. But, yeah, I mean, I just think she's really sickening. And she had a great year. She had a great year. They announced that. They announced that she is doing this Lila Star. Lila Star. Thank you. She did a tour with Betty who?

[Monet X Change]

Oh, she opened for Betty who? Yeah,

[Bob the Drag Queen]

she. And I don't think it was open. I think they were double headlining. I think. No, actually, I don't remember.

[Monet X Change]

She was just opening for her

[Bob the Drag Queen]

and they announced that she's doing this amazing. This amazing TV show on Marvel, which is just really, really fucking sickening that she's.

[Monet X Change]

Come on I Am Heart.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

So cool.

[Monet X Change]

Yeah.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

And is she playing the character that was inspired by her?

[Monet X Change]

No, no, no, no. She's playing. She's playing a villain, I believe, but she's not playing Shade. Shade was written by. I forget the guy's the person's name from Marvel. It was the character's name is Shade modeled after Shay Dax the vixen in me.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I'm excited to see this TV show. And also, isn't this the show with Sashiran? I don't know, but Shay Shears in the new Black. No. So Shears in the new Agatha. I have a coven of chaos. Oh, yeah.

[Monet X Change]

But I remember Shay posting, like, videos, like, talking about, like, all of her. She had to, like, all this, like, combat training, and she had to do, like. She's like. She's, like, in, like, the Marvel world. I was like, that sounds so cool. I wish. Sounds fierce.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

The Combat Train was just part of the Chicago gay scene.

[Monet X Change]

Wow. Problematic. Problematic.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

The Berlin. Did Berlin close?

[Monet X Change]

I don't know.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I think Berlin closed.

[Monet X Change]

I don't know.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

As someone who's been banned from Chicago on several occasions, you wouldn't know because you've been literally banned, like, multiple times.

[Monet X Change]

Let's go on to.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Let's go on to a queen who. I love this drag queen so much. Peppermint is one of my friends in the world. Peppermint was one of my, like, drag icons growing, like, when I was growing up in the New York City nightlife scene. I just. She's just such. She's so talented. She's so funny. She's so smart. She is so amazing. She is truly one of the most groundbreaking performers. She's the first openly trans person to originate a Broadway role, a main character in a Broadway show. She is also currently. She's. She was just recently in Thickest in Survival Musical for Trans Parent. She's also. She was just in Transparent, the musical. She's in Survival of Thickest. She's on Pose. She's on Call Me Mother. She is also, by the way, Pep is a very good actor. Like, Pep is a. This. She be acting like she be when it. When I remember she does. Pep also does act a fool. I really wish that Pep was. Was a regular on Pose. I. I really wish that she'd have been in more than, like, one or two episodes. She's just so good. When. When I. When I came to New York City, Pep was the fucking queen of New York City. The queen. This was under. This was not even up for debate.

[Monet X Change]

Yeah, I love Peppermint. Peppermint was one of the first queens I ever saw. At my school, Westminster Choir College, we would do. They would do this thing called the Drag Ball, and they were bringing a local New York City entertainer. And for. I think it was not a local. It was Peppermint. She did it the two years before I got to the school and the year I did it and the year after that. So for four years, I know she did it, and she would just come and she would do a drag show for us. Peppermint was the first drag queen I saw, like, in real life. And for all intents and purposes, I think Peppermint is the person who is the reason I'm here doing this podcast. Like, if I'm really thinking about it, like, Preppermint, I saw her in real life. I was so enamored by her beauty and her talent. And how she made this room full of awkward, uncomfortable, sissy ass, closeted gay boys feel comfortable enough to try a little drag and bitch. 12 years later, 14 years later, here I am. So I think y' all had Peppermint to blame for all of this. And so I just love Peppermint and I just think she's so talented and she's so beautiful. She's so funny. Hanging out. When I find out I'm doing a gig with Peppermint, I immediately get so excited. When I find out Peppermint's coming to town, we're hanging out. I'm always excited when I find out there's an event and Peppermint's going to be there. I'm so fucking excited because she's so funny. She's so funny. And that video of us doing the VMA red carpet and doing that shit together with her was so funny. Us chasing down Lila Nas X for a thing, the whole Dylan o' Brien thing, the Taylor Swift, it was just. It would not have been better with anyone else. And then. So I just love Pep. Love, love, love Pep. Yeah.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Pep is one of those folks who's just constantly great. Just fucking constantly. I love, love, love her. I just can't say enough nice things about Peppermint Gummy Bear.

[Monet X Change]

My favorite thing is also when you call Pep about something and she's like, girl. And she gave, like, the whole breakdown. Like, I was like, pep, I have a question about this thing. And Pep will not just answer the question. She'll give you the whole before the present situation and what you should expect in the future, which I appreciate.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Yeah, yeah. I think Pep is easily distracted and she goes off the rails quite easily. And if you are. If you're talking to Pep, sometimes you have to reign her in and be like, girl, hey, this is what we're talking about. She'll be like, oh, yeah, girl. I just. I love her so much. Okay. She's a little. She's a sko. Easily distracted. That is true.

[Monet X Change]

Next up is the original bald queen. Actually, Princess, I guess was the first one, but. Okay. Well, one of the original BALD Queens

[Bob the Drag Queen]

of RuPaul, actually, I would say Angina was the first one since she was on season one.

[Monet X Change]

Yeah. Angina. Oh, my God. Well, one of these in Drag Race bald drag queens from RuPaul's Drag Race and winner of season nine, Sasha Velour, who is from Indiana, but she is a big part of the Brooklyn or the new Brooklyn drag scene.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Right? She's from Indiana. Yep. Why do you Think she is. She.

[Monet X Change]

She's from Indiana. She's from Urbana. Indiana or Illinois?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

That's Illinois.

[Monet X Change]

No, but I see there's a whole. She had a whole thing about her going back home to Indiana. I remember seeing that.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

What are you talking about?

[Monet X Change]

I'm pretty sure.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

What is that? Where did you hear that?

[Monet X Change]

Like, it was on her Instagram.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Laura. Indiana. And nothing's coming up. You know, girl. She's an Illinois girl.

[Monet X Change]

Maybe it was Illinois. I thought it was Indiana.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

She was born in Berkeley. Oh, work. But she is certainly a New Yorker through and through. She is a staple in the New York City drag scene. And she is. But she one of those folks who wasn't giving her near her Brooklyn flowers until she made it on Drag Race. She one of the folks that folks were not seeing until she made it on Drag Race. And I remember that I was lucky enough to crown her twice. I crowned her Miss Look Queen once, and I crowned her. Or she won one of the short pageants and I crowned her the winner of RuPaul's Drag Race, America's next drag superstar. I had the honor of being to putting two crowns on her head, which is really fierce.

[Monet X Change]

I mean, when I was really impressed by Sasha Velour, we were doing the Monster, and it was Ms. L' Queen, and she did this Gollum number. And from then I was like, oh, this bitch is everything. It was a number where she came out in this, like, nice outfit and her wig, I think. And then she, like, takes this umbrella.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

It was like a beaded. It was like a beaded. Like a vintage beaded gown she was wearing.

[Monet X Change]

Yeah. And then she. And then she takes out this umbrella and she, like, puts the umbrella out and she's doing this thing and she does it. She does a change behind the umbrella that you don't see coming, and then she transforms into Gollum. And it was everything. The bar went up, people were like, ah, just throwing money at the stage. And it was so cool. And from that, I was, like, hooked into the Sasha Velour thing. And then, like the next year or two years later, she got on Drag Race.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Yeah, Sasha Velour is a really, really sick queen. She's very. She's also insanely tidy. Like, I'm always impressed when someone's super tidy. I just find it to be so admirable. I really wish I could be that bitch, but I'm. Do what?

[Monet X Change]

I've never been to a place. I didn't know that.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

No, never been to a place. But I. But I. But I've been backstage with her and work with her, and she's just so tidy and put together, like, nothing's out of place. And everything's just so, like, everything's just so, like, every. It's just. It's very impressive. It's very, very impressive.

[Monet X Change]

Yeah. So one of the people that she, she does her drag with, her partner. Her partner, his name is, like, Johnny Velour, and they, like, do they work a lot together? I mean, I, I, I don't know. I haven't worked with Sasha in years, so I don't know if that's still the case, but for the longest while, her and her. I don't think they're married, but partner, they were doing. Yeah.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Jacob, why don't you change your name to Jacob the Drag Queen? Like, what the hell's going on? Do what? I feel like I need to be a drag queen to do that, you know? Right. My last name is.

[Monet X Change]

Is very Bob Bully into your last name. You do what you want, Jacob. You have. You can. You can make adult decisions for yourself, baby. Don't feel pressured or bullied into changing your name.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

There is a ring to Andy Exchange. No, you can also say Jacob Queen. You know, we'll workshop it. Honestly, just even none of my drag kids even have my last name. Like, I'm one of the folks who, like, you just can't take my last name. Like, you just. Even. Even Free, who does go by Free the Drag Queen, but I think she's called herself Free the Drag Queen, because you can't just call yourself Free, So she doesn't actually go by Free the Drag Queen, she goes by Free, and it's actually short for Alfresha, which is what I used to call Free before

[Monet X Change]

adopted the Drag Queen. Because you're his mom. I mean, again, no, you think.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

But Freeze name is not Free. But Freeze name isn't Free the Drag Queen. Freeze name is just Free.

[Monet X Change]

Let's go. I'm gonna call Alfredo right now.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Okay. I mean, Alfresha. And Free is short for Alfresha, which is what I just called Free before we ever did any amount of. Hey, Monet, what's up?

[Monet X Change]

Hi, Alfredo. It's your good sis, Monet Xchange. You're here in the podcast. How are you doing?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Oh, work.

[Monet X Change]

I'm doing well. That's so funny. I'm every woman just came on. On my Spotify playlist because I was gonna call. Yes, Free. Tell me about your drag. Why is your name Free the Drag Queen is like, can you tell me can you talk to me about your drag name? Yeah, I can. Call me on the spot. I'm getting ready. But anyway, so my real name is Alfredo, and I don't remember if it was you or Bob who gave me the name Alfresha from Alfredo. I think it was you. It was me.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Okay.

[Monet X Change]

And then that shortened to Free, and then why the Drag Queen? Because Bob is your drag mother or you just. Yeah, because Bob is my drag mother. Okay, cool. All right. Wanted to double check. I love you so much. I love you, too.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Okay, this is literally the story I just told. This is literally what I just said.

[Monet X Change]

I said that he calls himself Free the Drag. The Drag Queen. Because you're a drag mother. You're like, no. Because you just can't call herself Free. I was like, no, he adopted your name officially.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

You didn't ask. Is your name officially Free the Drag Queen, or is your name Alfresha? You didn't ask that, but that's fine. What you do is you do this when you're back where you ask very leading questions that lead to your thing. So. And did you. Because you said. And did you choose Free the Drag Queen because your drag mom is Bob, you can call Free right now. You leading questions. You do leading questions.

[Monet X Change]

I literally started to say. I said, alfred, can you tell us about your drag name?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

It's okay, Monet. You do leading questions, and it's okay. You know how you are, and I know how you are, too.

[Monet X Change]

Lead my nuts to your septum.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

How about that?

[Monet X Change]

Not your chin. I want you to smell these motherfucking nuts. That's what I want.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I can smell them. I can smell them from here. Let's just go with that. You don't need to get any closer.

[Monet X Change]

Let's get onto arguably one of the best seasons of RuPaul's Drag Race that's ever existed.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

And we're really. We really gotta argue for this one, too. We gotta argue, honey. We gotta argue down for this. For this to be true.

[Monet X Change]

It is season 10, RuPaul's Drag Race, and we're gonna go to one of the first queens eliminated. One of the first queen eliminated on our season was Vanessa Vanjie Mateo. Vanessa Vanjie Mateo. I love Vanessa.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Vanessa Mateo is really had a. Probably one of the most viral moments in the history of Drag Race, which was the exit on Vanjie, and you were obviously there for this. How was that for you all watching it?

[Monet X Change]

We were cracking up. When it was happening in real time, when it was happening during the show, I Mean, no one knows how big a viral moment is gonna go. Like, you can't predict that. But we were all laughing hysterically when it happened real time. And then we kept on doing it throughout recording when something would happen. We were in the workroom painting. Would someone just be like, Vanjie, Ms. Vanjie? Like, we would do that throughout the entire taping. So, yeah, it was. It was hilarious. I still don't even know why she did that. Like, why.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I think she was just feeling awkward and just was, like, doing her exit line. Her ex line was just saying her name over and over again. Do you think she's sick of. Of people seeing her and walking backwards and saying Ms. Vanjie?

[Monet X Change]

I don't think so. I don't. It's not. I don't think so. I don't think it's taking away anything from her. It's such a. Like you said, it's probably one of the most viral moments from the show. So I don't think she's like, ugh, this walking back. I. I don't. I don't see that. But maybe she does. I don't know.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

But some people. But some people do. I mean, Pearl. I remember being on tour with Pearl and she did not, like, when you asked, is there something on your face? She hated to be asked. She hated to be asked, is there something on my face?

[Monet X Change]

Because that made her infamous, as opposed to Ms. Vanity making her famous. Like, people were like, ugh, I can't

[Bob the Drag Queen]

believe that Pearl was infamous because I don't think Pearl was quote, unquote infamous because of the interesting on my face thing. I think that was a moment in the show, and obviously it happened, but I don't think it made her infamous.

[Monet X Change]

I think that with the. With the. With like. Like, Pearl has an infamous brand. I think that the whole RuPaul told me, Don't. Don't talk unless the. The cameras are recording. And something else.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

This was way after.

[Monet X Change]

Was it?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Yeah, that. That was like. Like a few seasons after the season even aired that RuPaul came out with that bit of information.

[Monet X Change]

Or Pearl said it.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Not RuPaul before, but, I mean, before RuPaul released and then Pearl did a reaction video to it. Yeah, well, Pearl's the one who said, unless that camera's rolling. Pro's one who told everyone that RuPaul said it.

[Monet X Change]

Right, right, right, right.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

On. On. On the show. Hey, Queen.

[Monet X Change]

Yes. I think that that has more of a negative connotation, whereas Vanjie's is, like, a really funny Cool brow moment. Pearls is a little more that. That was, like, a combative moment, so she may not find joy in it, as when everyone is, like, celebrating Vanjie for that, you know?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Do you like when people say, soak it up to you?

[Monet X Change]

Yeah, I love it. I like it. I'm not like, why?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Why do you throw other sponges away?

[Monet X Change]

Because they're dirty and I've used them. If you give me a sponge, I'll probably use it. So I don't want to keep dirty, stinky sponges around.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

So you still have the boa?

[Monet X Change]

I sell the boa,

[Bob the Drag Queen]

but every time I go get it, you never.

[Monet X Change]

Because I'm not home.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

You never know where it is.

[Monet X Change]

I'm at home. I'm at home.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Oh, what about when you are home? Why do you think you didn't get it all those times?

[Monet X Change]

I didn't think you ever asked me while I was home.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Do you think you know why? Oh, okay.

[Monet X Change]

I don't think you ever asked me.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I have it here, actually. Jacob, can you grab the boa? Jacob?

[Monet X Change]

Yeah, grab the boa.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I have it. Jacob, can you grab the boa? Please?

[Monet X Change]

Grab the boa.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

In fact, Jacob, don't grab it. Don't grab it, Jacob. Jacob, don't grab it. No, no.

[Monet X Change]

Jacob, grab it.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Don't even. Don't even.

[Monet X Change]

Jacob, no.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Jacob, don't even bother. Sorry, the connection's bad.

[Monet X Change]

Y', all. Y', all, let me tell you something. These scamming, lying ass over there in. Y' all do what you want to do.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Don't let one. Let me tell you something.

[Monet X Change]

You and Jacob, literally, y' all are scammers. Like, y' all are, like, scammers. Y' all are scamming people.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Interesting. Interesting.

[Monet X Change]

Y' all scammed emotionally.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Interesting. Now, here's another request. Bobby, Drag queen videos. Can we do a compilation of Monet just lying about everything? All right, let's continue with Vanessa Vanja Mateo. She is from Tampa, Florida, but she is now living in Los Angeles. She is probably one of the most beloved queens from the show, I would say, like, she is beloved. Her aesthetic has changed.

[Monet X Change]

Oh, yeah.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

So much.

[Monet X Change]

Yes.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Since she was on Drag Race. Like, her, by the way, in and out of drag. She was one of those girls who said, baby, I'm moving to LA and I'm getting the works. I want the teeth, I want the lips, I want the zaz. Zaza. Zaza, Honey, Yeah.

[Monet X Change]

I love Vanjie.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

She looks really good, though. She looks very beautiful in and out of drag.

[Monet X Change]

Oh, yeah. Evangelie. Looks great. Vanjie, would you hit. Would I have sex with Angie?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

That's what I said. Would you compete on Vanjie's Shot at Love, or what was it called? Jacob vanjie's love house. Benji. 24 hours of love.

[Monet X Change]

Physically, yes, I could. I cannot imagine dating someone as crazy as Vanjie. I can. I that.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I think it is one crazy as you probably.

[Monet X Change]

Vanjie. It sounds like a handful to deal with. Oh, no, I'm not. I don't think I have that within me to date someone like that.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I watched 24 Hours of Love with Vanjie, and it was a very, very.

[Monet X Change]

You watched the whole thing Show?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I was. Yeah, it was like. It wasn't that many episodes.

[Monet X Change]

Okay, who. Can you name some of the characters? Who are the top two?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

It was so long ago.

[Monet X Change]

Okay.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I remember the guy that. I remember the guy that her mom didn't. The guy that her mom decided she didn't like. She was like, I don't like you, so you have to go. That was a wild episode.

[Monet X Change]

I think we all saw. That was a viral clip, so that doesn't count. We all saw that.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Was it viral? What did the guy look like?

[Monet X Change]

I don't remember, but it was viral.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Can you tell me? Was he black? Was he white? Was he short? Was he tall? Did he have short hair, long hair?

[Monet X Change]

He was Italian.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Did he have tattoos on his face?

[Monet X Change]

He did not have tattoos on his face.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

He had long hair, and I didn't

[Monet X Change]

say he had short.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Mandy's mom just did. She just. She just decided she just, like, did not like him. And I felt so bad for him because I was like, how do you even rec. Like, how do you even recover from that? It was like, I felt so bad for that.

[Monet X Change]

Like, Sister Patterson from I Love New York. She would just not like people.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

And. And when. When Vanjie's mom said she didn't like she didn't like this guy, he had to fucking go. It was. It was out for him, honey. I was like, damn, must be tough. Must be tough. Yeah. I like Benji a lot. We don't. We don't. I don't think we've worked together in a very long time, but I like Van Gela. She's been on two seasons of Drag Race. She's. She's one of the. One of the comeback queens, and she did very well. She went from. She kind of pulled a Shangela. She went home first and then came back, except she made it to the finale and Shangela didn't make it to the finale.

[Monet X Change]

No, she wasn't the finale.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

She made it to the top four. She made it. She made it. She made. Not the finale, but she made it to, like, the. She made it to the right of. Write your own verse. She made it to the last episode before the finale. The penultimate episode.

[Monet X Change]

She was fifth. Yeah. I love Vanjie. Vanjie and I have worked a lot together between, like, solo gigs and, like, work the world most recently. We did. I told a story. I think we did. What is it? Sober Fest, Sober Pride in Vancouver. And we get there, as she walks into things, she's like, now, where's all the liquor? And I was like, vanjie, it's sober. There's no alcohol. She's like, ah, ah, ah, ah. Where the liquor? Somebody need to go get me. Get me my liquor. I was like, well, Vanny, they're not gonna get you tequila girl. It's a sober pride. And, yeah, I was a lady.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Did they end up getting her. Her liquor?

[Monet X Change]

They did not.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Did they ever get her liquor?

[Monet X Change]

They did not.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Oh. Oh, yeah.

[Monet X Change]

Well, if you were having a sober pride and I showed up and I. And I requested alcohol, would you get it for me?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I wouldn't be throwing a sober pride.

[Monet X Change]

Okay, Bob, this is hypothetical.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

You're.

[Monet X Change]

Bob the drag queen is throwing a sober.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I can't imagine a scenario where I'm. Where I'm running some sort of a sober fest. Like, I wouldn't do that. Like, that just isn't something I would do. But if I have an event, I would let you get alcohol at it. Yeah, but I wouldn't be throwing a sober. Okay, so we have role play being

[Monet X Change]

attacked by mountain lions and you. But we can't role play this because

[Bob the Drag Queen]

she would get attacked by mountain lion. Because that's real. That's real. And I wish. I'm just kidding. I don't wish. I would never want that happen to my knees.

[Monet X Change]

You know what?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I think that if you and I were at a. If you and I were. Bitch. Fuck you and your cat. Fuck you and that fucking bitch. I don't give a fuck about you and that motherfucking bitch.

[Monet X Change]

And on that note, I have to go. I'm so offended, and that's so rude that I've told you, like, lately I'm feeling very suspensive on my cat. And the fact that you would make that joke and say that in front of me, it tells me a lot about Monet.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

This is gaslighting. Monet has not told me anything. About her and her cat. This is Monet's doing her little sympathy card thing that she does all the time. Monet has not mentioned anything about her being sensitive about a cat. Do not fall for Monet's. Do not fall for Monet's bull. And if y' all believe that, I got some land in Florida I desperately need to sell you.

[Monet X Change]

You know what? You know, all them are right on tick tock. I think I do need a break from you. I need a break from doing this podcast with you. I think I need a break. You know, y' all were right. I was trying to hide it before y', all, but y' all were right.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

A break from your lies. A break from your lies. Who you gonna lie to if you're not gonna lie to me? You gonna lie to Andy? You gonna lie to Potato. Who you gonna lie to if you're not lying to me? If you're not gaslighting me, who you gonna gaslight? Who, who, who, who? Who you gonna lie? Gaslight

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