The One About Fitness

Summary

Sibling Rivalry – “The One About Fitness”

Date: October 27, 2021
Hosts: Monét X Change & Bob the Drag Queen

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Episode Overview

In this episode, the Sibling Rivalry duo—Monét X Change and Bob the Drag Queen—dive deep into the world of fitness: their personal journeys, body image, gym routines, societal pressures, and the nuanced relationship queer folks have with weight, diet, and self-perception. As always, the conversation is packed with laughter, real talk, and the signature irreverence that defines the podcast.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Opening Banter: Pets, Muppets, and Early Morning Flights

• The episode opens with playful chit-chat about Monét’s sphynx cat, Colleen, her heart condition, and the woes of owning purebred animals with health problems. Bob and Monét riff about cat care, traveling, and elaborate a story involving running around like a Muppet, referencing Kermit the Frog's iconic feet (09:00).
• Quote:
  “So I'm like, literally like a Muppet. I'm, like, running around my house like, oh, my God, what's going happen?” – Monét (09:00)
• They segue into body talk, briefly touching on family influences and the quirks of dead celebrity admiration.

2. Kink, Bodies, and Callused Hands

• An unfiltered detour into bedroom kink: slapping, choking, and even hand insecurities—Monét confesses she feels self-conscious about her rough hands from the gym (14:53).
• Quote:
  “I've slapped people before. I got pissed on people.” – Monét (14:20)
• Memorable Moment:
  Bob reenacts Monét hitting with her “catcher’s mitts,” and they joke about the “exfoliating” properties of rough hands (15:19).
• Discussion about wearing gym gloves to prevent calluses, and the humor of gym “riot gear.”

3. Fitness Fads & Dieting: The Juicing Era

• The core of the episode centers on personal fitness journeys. Bob confesses to a long, unhealthy juicing stint:
  • “I did it for like 20 days. That’s... anorexia. I did not eat for 20 days.” – Bob (17:30)
• Both agree fad diets like juicing ultimately fail for them, preferring instead a consistent, manageable approach to healthy eating and exercise.
• Quote:
  “From, like, early on, I don’t know if it was school or family, it was a realization that fad diets, they work, but they will—they don’t last.” – Monét (18:27)

4. Maintenance is Hard! (And So Is Getting “Hot”)

• Bob observes how much work “average” bodies require in your 30s, referencing a Louis CK bit about just staying the same (19:11).
• They share stories of ripped friends whose lives revolve around highly restrictive routines (grilled chicken, broccoli, and water for six days with one cheat day) (20:25).
• Quote:
  “Most people with ‘traditionally hot’ bodies, they are doing a lot, a lot of work.” – Bob (20:01)

5. Social Pressures, Trainers, and Real Talk

• Bob’s trainer is so attentive he’ll text about nutrition labels from an Instagram Live (21:48).
• Both discuss being motivated to look good for partners, and how having a stable living situation affects routines. Runyon Canyon workouts become a point of pride and competition.

6. Gym Habits—Old and New (27:20)

• Bob reminisces about intense gym days in his 20s—jogging to the gym, treadmill, weights, and jogging home. Today, routines are more structured with trainers or apps.
• Monét shouts out apps like Shreds as affordable trainer alternatives (28:45).
• Quote:
  “Shreds is great. If anyone cannot afford a trainer... really recommend it.” – Monét (29:40)

7. Steroids, Pre-Workouts, and Queer Body Culture

• The duo speaks candidly about steroid use in queer nightlife and fitness scenes:
  • Bob has considered but ultimately decided against it after hearing about the depressive aftermath (30:53).
• Brief riff about pre-workout supplements, which made both feel jittery or “like a crackhead.” Monét’s alternative: black tea, though she’s roasted for it (35:44).

8. Fatphobia, Goals, and Body Image Nuance (38:31)

• Both hosts address comments that accuse them of fatphobia when discussing fitness. They stress they’re speaking only about their bodies and journeys.
• Quote:
  “I actually do think the world is inherently fat phobic, and I do think that is baked into my essence… I do not think that I am free from that, you know, bias.” – Bob (39:05)
• Monét reflects on lifelong body struggles, and both acknowledge societal bias while holding space for all experiences.

9. Body Envy & Drag Queen Bodies (40:23)

• They discuss “body goals” among queer men (like Amir Morris, Naomi Smalls, Plastique), and why certain physiques are admired but may not be attainable or even preferred for themselves.
• Quote:
  “I mean, Naomi [Smalls] has a great, perfect body… her hands are soft, her elbows are soft, and she’s kind.” – Bob (53:21)
• Hilarious asides about Naomi’s perceived physical perfection, and both hosts’ admiration (and envy) for her.

10. Realistic Fitness Goals & Measurements (55:46)

• Closing the main discussion, both hosts set personal fitness targets:
  • Bob: Wants his chest to “stick out further than his stomach,” and arms to be toned.
  • Monét: Flatter tummy, more defined pecs, and a firmer (but not smaller) butt.
• Quote:
  “These are my goals. This is not whatever you do with your body… that is great and super valid.” – Bob (56:20)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments with Timestamps

• On Dangers of Fad Diets:
  “I did it for like 20 days… I did not eat for 20 days.” – Bob (17:30)

• On Trainers Policing Snacks:
  “He sends Bob back the nutrition facts with the facepalm emoji…” – Monét (22:18)

• On Body Standards:
  “Most people with ‘traditionally hot’ bodies, they are doing a lot, a lot of work eating that way.” – Bob (20:01)

• On Fatphobia:
  “We are talking about our journeys with our bodies. We’re not saying what everyone’s body needs to be …” – Bob (39:05)

• On Butt Insecurities:
  “But you really shouldn’t get anything taken off your butt. Your butt is iconic. It is great. It looks really good.” – Bob (57:14)

• On Drag Queen Icons:
  “Naomi has a great, perfect body… her hands are soft. It’s ridiculous. Her elbows. And she’s kind.” – Bob (53:21)

• On Fitness Motivation:
  “My only goal for going to the gym is to just, like, be healthy.… I am not at a mental space yet where my gym goals are just to be healthy.” – Bob (59:09)

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• [09:00]: Pet drama & Muppet antics
• [14:09]: Gym hands discussion, kinks, and insecurities
• [17:04]: Fitness journeys — juicing and fad diets
• [20:01]: The surprising work behind “average” bodies
• [21:48]: Trainers catching bad snacks on Instagram Live
• [27:20]: Routines then vs. now; gym anecdotes
• [29:00]: Shreds app for fitness
• [30:53]: Steroid use, risks, and mental health
• [35:44]: Pre-workouts, black tea debates, and “natural” energy
• [39:05]: Fatphobia, triggers, and listener feedback
• [40:23]: Admiring queer men’s physiques and drag queen body types
• [55:46]: Personal body goals and measurement talk

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Concluding Thoughts

The episode closes with humor and self-awareness, reiterating that fitness and body image are highly personal. Both Bob and Monét share their desires, struggles, and insecurities, while keeping the tone comic, raw, and authentic. They urge listeners to form their own relationships with their bodies and stress that everyone’s journey is valid.

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Summary by topic:

• Personal fitness evolution: Honest reminiscing about successes and failures, with plenty of self-deprecating humor.
• Relationship to food, diet, and the gym: Skepticism about trends and fads; slow, sustainable progress wins out.
• Body goals and standards: Realistic expectations, heavy on shade and admiration for friends and colleagues.
• Community pressures: Navigating queer body image and societal expectations while striving for self-acceptance.
• Signature Sibling Rivalry: Laughter, odd tangents, naked honesty, and non-stop jokes.

“Your body, Bob’s choice!” – Monét (56:30, facetiously)

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For listeners and non-listeners alike, ‘The One About Fitness’ is both a reckoning with the dreams and realities of queer body culture—and an invitation to take the fitness journey with a hearty side of comic relief.

Transcript

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On this week's episode, we get into Kermit the Frog's feet.

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We talk about fitness.

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And we find out what made Bob the Drag Queen say this.

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I found out I have eczema. I've developed eczema. And we find out what made Monet X change say this.

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So I'm like, literally like a Muppet. I'm, like, running around my house like, oh, my God, what's going happen?

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Swing low Swing sweet chariot Coming forth to carry me home Swing low, sweet chariot Coming forth to carry me. One, two, three.

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First of all, you did not get your surgery yet, so please stop acting like you just

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did. You really not like my singing just now.

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It was good. I'm gonna give you a different one. I. I was a terrorist in the public school era. Bathroom passes, cutting classes, squeezing asses since 13. A chubby nigga on the scene. And if not, I hope I don't get shot. Cause all we want to do is bullshit and party. You know whose song that is?

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Of course I know. It's Biggie Smalls. Yeah, I'm really shocked because, you know, I'm really just really flabbergasted that every time I do a Jay Z lyric,

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you're like, jay Z was not my thing. That's my every time I think.

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And my brother.

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It was my brother's name. It was just a butt.

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As a New Yorker, you should know

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Jay Z. I know Jay Z. I don't know his lyrics like that. Also, Biggie was just the ultimate lyricist. You ever look at dead people and be like, y' all are going, I

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don't look at a lot of dead people. Gotta be honest, not looking at a

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lot of dead people. This nigga wasn't that great. Y' all really doing the most.

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There are certain dead artists that. I'm like, y' all are really hyping them up. I like them just because they're dead. I'm not engaging that incredibly problematic practice.

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Here's my thing. Dead people, bitch, they're dead. They don't care.

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People are so weird about dead people. They're so weird. People are really weird about dead people.

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It's weird to me that people are weird about dead people that don't give a fuck. They're dead. They don't care.

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I'm with you. I agree with you on that. But when you start talking about certain dead people, people really get wild.

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They do. They do for sure.

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But Jay Z has some just really great. I just encourage you to listen to, like, jiggle. Jiggle what?

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Jigga who?

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Do you know any of the rest of the songs?

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Big fan fans.

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Motherfuckers want to act loco. Hit him up numerous shots with the Fofo effect when he said popo out of my heart. Anyway, let's just move on, because you clearly don't know Lena. You got some on your face, too.

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You know what? It's my. It's my. My sweater or some shit. No, it's not my sweater. It's my new throw I got from my couch, which Colleen has now.

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Colleen having a cat? I don't. Not from experience, but this what I've learned from seeing cat owners. Your house gonna be raggedy. Your cat's going to up every. Any corner of a couch a thing. Your cat's gonna. Your shit's gonna get.

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Well, she doesn't. It's just one particular thing is really soft. And Colleen, she likes to eat yarn and, like, things are, like, soft like that. So she, like, will, like, thing in it so she can, like, eat it. And I'm like, girl, that's not good. Like, your stomach. And then my friend Janina Gavankar, who listens to the broadcast. Hi, Janina. I love Janina. She is literally one of the most beautiful people ever. Y' all know her from. She Was in True Blood. She's in the morning show. Literally all the things. Anyway, she has a sphinx as well. And then her friend has a sphinx. And she left me this voicemail she was like, monet, you need to get Colleen checked out because her friend's sphinx cat just started seizing and then the cat had a heart attack. So this person is driving around LA trying to get this car cause thinks his notoriously have heart problems trying to get this cat to a vet. And all the vets were full, literally, like when Mary and Joseph were Jesus. There was no room at the end. So driving around trying to get this cat taken care of and she was like, you need to get your cat checked out. And Colleen does have a heart condition. And so this is probably why I'm

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not trying to come for you and I'm not trying to make a thing. But this is probably why people should not get cats and dogs that are bred to be a specific kind of thing because they're bred into, like, their bodies. Pugs can't breathe. Sphinxes are having heart attacks at 2.

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Great Danes.

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Yeah. Great Danes have arthritis. Like, they're always deaf Great Danes.

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Are they?

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I feel like Great Danes are often deaf, which is so weird on the Internet. Maybe I've just seen two or three.

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Did you know?

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That's cool. My aunt had a deaf Great Dane.

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Oh, my God, I love Great Danes. They're so cute.

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They're very cute. I also had a friend with a blind pit bull.

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Well, that's so sad.

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I mean, this dog would. And this dog would run full force into stuff. And this dog just acted like it could see. It was just. It would just really book it and just hit a wall and be looking crazy as hell.

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Yeah.

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Also, I don't know if this is true. I have a suspicion that, like, I think somebody shaved a cat.

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That's not how that works, Bob.

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Your cat has a lot of hair.

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Yeah.

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Your cat is literally coming.

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But there's a type of sphynx that has a lot of hair like that.

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There's a type of hairless cat that has hair. Okay, go off, sis. Because Colleen's is literally covered in hair. It's very short hair, but if there is not a part except her belly and the inside of her ears. Colleen's whole body has hair on it. And her tail is very furry. Her tail is like that of a normal cat. Am I lying or am I telling the fucking truth? Your hairless cat is literally covered in hair. You thought y' all was about to be bald together. She said, bitch, just you.

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I know it's kind of crazy. And you know, when I found out she had the heart condition, the fucking breeder that I got that I got her from in fucking Pennsylvania was like, oh well, yeah, we could just give it back and we'll give you a new one. I'm like, she's not a sweater, she's a fucking cat. And I was like, don't you saying

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we can exchange it for like a dog?

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No, he like, he was like, he like, he like give me calling you back and we'll give you another sphinx. I was like, at that point I had her for like seven months at that point.

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How long you at Colleen now?

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It's going on a year and like nine months.

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Are you regretting it at all? Be honest. Because people get these quarantine animals and now you're traveling. Kennedy, you and Kennedy have joint custody. Kennedy is my assistant whose girlfriend is like a pet carer. And Kennedy and Cassandra run a full on petting zoo in their home and Colleen is one of the attractions. So now Kennedy and Monet have joint custody of this cat.

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The only thing is, this is my only thing I'm thinking about so. Because I have to constantly. Because I'm traveling for work a lot and I have to leave Colleen, the doctor is saying that that's not good for her heart because she's like constantly going in a state of like change and like stress. So that gives me a lot of pause. And I asked him about like the thing. He was like, basically he was like, that's not great. He was like a cat with a heart problem should not be like constantly being taken out of the environment and having to like adapt.

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So not you stressing out his polo cat.

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I know, I know, I know. I think about it like literally every time I leave I think, bitch, the other day it was like, so my flight was at 6:11am and then like packing my things like 11:00 clock.

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And like your flight was at 6:11.

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I know it's not early, but the

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other day, that's a weird time. Like 6:11, 6:11am the other day.

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The other day I had a flight at like 4:50. I was like, I didn't know flights could leave before.

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I have Never left before 6 o' clock in the morning.

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Right.

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My earliest flight has been at 6:00am,

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4:50am from Chicago to Chicago to Minneapolis.

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Minneapolis. I did not know they did first flights at that hour. That is crazy.

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Insane.

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Yeah.

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So the other day it's like six. So I was leaving, I was leaving the house like 4:30, whatever. I'm like packing my stuff at 11 o' clock and I was like, I didn't get a cat sitter. Like, what am I gonna do? I was like, oh, my God. So I'm like, literally like a Muppet. I'm, like, running around my house like, oh, my God, what's going. And I healed up. Cass. So, Cass, you know the mobas, when

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they cut to their feet and you never seen this, they'll show, like, Kermit, and he'll be like, oh, Miss Piggy. And they'll cut to his feet, and his feet will be, like, moving, but they. They're like, have you seen the Jacob? And they, like, float. But it's not like regular walking. It's like. It's this weird, funny little.

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I don't see that.

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Anyway, you were saying.

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Sorry.

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Go ahead.

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Yeah. So Cass had to come and, like, spend, like, a day. Cause it was only for two days. So Cass came one day, and then Taylor came the next day. But I'm like, oh, my God. I just feel like I'm being such a bad parent, and I don't want to stress her out. And God forbid, like, my. I'm the cause of Colleen's fucking heart. Shit. You know?

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Well, I feel. You know, I don't have the answer. This is one of the reasons why I don't have a pet.

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I know. I know.

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Because I do not have the. I mean. And Jacob is here more than I am. Although Jacob's not always here. He's more here more than I am. But I'm just like, you can't. Like, I don't have what it takes to take care of a pet and give them the life they need, because I'm always gone.

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I know.

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You know what I mean? I might need to take Jacob back. Once I found out Jacob had a little heart condition, too, they offered. They also offered to switch him out, and I said no. I'm actually quite happy.

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I love this just outfit you have on. It's very cute.

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Thank you.

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It's brand new.

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Yeah. I went down to this. There's a store that I love down in. What's that place called?

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Santee Alley.

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Santee Alley. Okay. What I'm wearing is. It is a dress that is a tank on the top, and then it goes down kind of. It's like a bell shape, actually. Kind of shaped like Monae's dress in the All Black Queen shoot.

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Actually, a little bit.

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But hers is more voluminous in mine.

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Yeah.

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It's a bit of a shiny material on Cara, and it is, I think, brown and like a tan. Like a Goldie Tan Tan.

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Gold

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and. Yeah. And I have a lot I bought, like, a lot of these. Like, I was like, I want every. The one you have in this pattern.

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Damn, nigga, you gonna give me something, too, baby? She got money.

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This is, like $10 for that.

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Yeah, but you.

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But, yeah.

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You bought 3,000 of them.

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I bought, like, five.

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Not spending $30,000 on outfits.

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Yeah, bitch, I bought, like, maybe 10 at the most.

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Well, so you're saying that that's nothing. So. So 10. So 10 things at $100, that's just nothing for you.

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I'm not saying that it's nothing, but I'm saying look at Kermit's feet.

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My God, you're being. Look at Kermit.

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Can you try to describe what his feet are doing?

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Kermit is. Wait, but big Kermit is doing a thing with little Kermit. I mean, that looks believable to me. Little Kermit is tap dancing on a little thing, and I think that looks believable to me.

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But I love how his little feet. Because, like, thing is when Kermit's. When both of his feet come off the ground, his body doesn't fall. His body stays in the same spot, but the feet. Only the feet are moving, which is just so funny to me. This little Muppet foot moment.

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Would you like to be a Muppet?

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Like, have someone make a. Oh, no.

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Would you. Would you want to be, like, a Muppet actor?

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No. I actually really want to do a show with me and puppets. I want to do an entire show with me and puppets. It's actually inspired by Basil Twist.

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That sounds familiar.

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Basil Twist is a very famous puppeteer, and Basil Twist did a show with Joey Arias back in, like, I don't even know. 2000 maybe.

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You know, Joey, Iris is, like, a great Billie Holiday impersonator.

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Yeah, I do know.

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She sounds just like her.

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That's like her. That's, like, her whole thing.

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Yeah. Okay.

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Anyway, so I'm really, like. I just saw some, like, the show is called Arias with a Twist or maybe Joy with a Twist, and I was like, I want to do, like, a show where, like, I work with a puppeteer and create, like, this entire. Like. Like, it should be funny and, like, there should be numbers. I think it'd be so cool.

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That does sound really cool, actually.

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Right.

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I'm into it.

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I have too many ideas. I also want to do my clown show always.

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You've been talking about the clown show for years.

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Always. But I just feel like it'd be kind of weird for me to be, like, now it's Time for my clown show. Like, people would be like, what the are you talking about? But I'm like, I just want to do my.

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That's something very. I feel like this is something very similar between. A similarity that you and Amanda Seals share. She has. She's also someone who has a lot of ideas. She has, like, different, like, characters. She does. And she, like, has, like, a lot of.

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Invite Amanda to the premiere.

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Oh, my God. You should invite her. Yeah, we're doing her podcast.

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No, I think she's busy.

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We're doing our podcast.

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We.

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Yes, we. On Thursday.

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Oh, then I'll be there. But look at this. Like, okay. Too many visual things.

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Sorry, Jacob.

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But yeah, that.

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Yeah. Apologize again.

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What kind of kinky are you into? Do you do kinky stuff in the bedroom these days?

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Yeah, I mean, I've always done kinky stuff. I've never not done kinky.

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Okay, eating ass is not kinky.

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That's not. Not. That's not what I'm talking about.

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Choking.

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Choking for sure.

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Slapping, yes. Getting slapped or slapping.

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Getting slapped. I've slapped people before. I got pissed on people.

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You got some big ass hands. I don't want to be hit by these catcher's mitts. You knock my ass off. You some big, strong ass hands.

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The nigga hands you be hitting people with.

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You got them.

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Kutchi, you have the same size hands.

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But my hands are very soft and.

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Yeah. Okay, you see? So me, if I hit you with

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this, it'd be like a pillow, Like a large pillow just sliding across your face.

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Me and the gentleman.

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This is a slab of concrete.

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Me and the gentleman were talking about it. I was saying how insecure I am about my hands being so rough.

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I'm sorry. I didn't realize it was an insecurity. I'll stop making fun of it. I don't care. It just only end. Like when I'm wear gloves for the gym. My trainers.

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I do now, but, Bob, this is years. I used to. This is like, years. It's time I was looking it up how to feel. There's no way to take. This is what it is.

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I have tiny little. Like when I first started working, I rubbed those little. I mean, I had the very beginnings of calluses. And I was like, not this. Never this. And I started. I wear gloves every. I be in the gym in fucking riot gear. My trainer. I'm wearing knee pads, bitch. I'm about to buy some shoulder pads. Like, I be in the gym in full riot gear because I don't want to have so I'm wearing. I wear gloves every time I, every time I lift weights. And I mean, my trainer is very beautiful. Ridge is so sweet. Ridge's hands are. It is, they're metal. It's like metal.

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I will say I think it's hot when guys have rough hands though. Like that's like. I think that's so hot.

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You would love Ridge because Ridge, Ridge's hands are just like. I mean, they are so tough. I'm just like, ridge, this could not be me. And Ridge is my hand. Ridge is like, oh my God. Your hands are like, yeah, girl. I wear gloves.

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Yeah, I think that's hot. Like the guys that have calluses and shit.

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I'm like, oh, yeah, you like that?

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I think it's hot like when they're

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rubbing your body and exfoliating the fuck out of you. Okay, well, not when your whole epidermis is ripped the fuck off.

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But I like holding his hand and feeling like the calluses also like picking them.

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All right, we gotta take a break.

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Bob, let's talk about our fitness journeys because I feel like you and I have gone through many a fitness journey.

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True. And some of, some of. I'm realizing now in retrospect that some of mine have not been healthy and

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juicing is not healthy.

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Yeah. I mean, especially when I was juicing for. Juicing for like a weekend or like

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even a week, a few days.

[B]

When you first met, when we were first time. I did, I did it for like 20 days.

[C]

That's crazy.

[B]

That's. That's anorexia.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

I did not eat for 20 days.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

That is a. That is a full on eating disorder.

[C]

It was a moment in time that when juicing was really popular, like it was, it was, it was a bit. It was one of those big fad diet healthy things. Yeah. Yeah.

[B]

And I was like, I was saying I didn't. I juiced for 20 days. I was like, oh my God. I didn't eat for 20 days. That. Trying to get skinny. That is, that seems unhealthy.

[C]

I bet you have a grape and you are a pufferfish, girl.

[B]

Full on. I remember after My thing, going up to Target to buy cashews. I don't know why I went to. Because I was like, I gotta. I gotta eat. I can't go back. So I had, like, a day. I had, like, one day of eating cashews. The next day I was at Domino's, the block from you, Girl, I used to call the Domino's. And they would say, would you like the regular? I said, I had you on speakerphone. Don't you ever embarrass about that again. Let's get one thing clear, bitch. If you ever embarrassed that again in your life.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

You supposed to say, I have no clue.

[C]

Yeah. I've never been big on fat diets. I've never have. Because when, like a. From, like, early on, I don't know if it was school or family, it was a realization that fat diets, they work, but they will. They don't last. So I've always been like. I've always, like, of course, in moments, I would dip and I would, like, try juicing with you or whatever, but for the most part, I just eat how I eat. And I would always go to the gym to maintain, not to lose weight, because I was like, there's no way I can lose it.

[B]

You know what has really kind of blown my mind, especially in my mid-30s, is realizing that, like, a lot of these people who look completely average, including myself, have to do a lot of

[C]

work to look that way for sure.

[B]

That is so upsetting.

[C]

Crazy.

[B]

Realizing it was, you know, who said it? Louis CK Said it. And he was like, I do this and this and this to maintain.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

And I was like, oh, my God, that is so scary.

[C]

To me, it is.

[B]

Because I thought that everyone who worked out got to look hot. And then someone once said, I can't remember who it was. It was. There was someone, like, on Live or something. And then the comment was like, I'm about to kill myself to look like you. He goes, I do kill myself. He's like, I. This. You don't even like. What I do is insane. I have to, like, kill myself to look like this.

[C]

That's crazy. That's crazy.

[B]

So part of me is like, yeah, I would. I would, like. So the thing is, like, it. It has occurred to me that, like, this sounds obvious, but, like, most people with, like, traditionally hot bodies, they are doing a lot, a lot of work eating that way.

[C]

6. This one guy who I had dinner, my friends Canon and Aritza, my writing partner, his music partner ever. It was Aritza's Birthday or another friend. Our international. Our producer international birthday, and a lot of people went out to dinner. And this producer international, his name is international. He's a producer. Mr. International.

[B]

I thought you're like, oh, the producer international. We also have the producer domestic.

[C]

We're all at dinner, and this one guy, his name is Chris. Body's great, like, amazing. And he was talking, like, at dinner, talking through his thing. Bitch. It is six days of eating, literally, grilled chicken and fucking broccoli. That is it. That and water. That is all he's eating. A meat, a fucking protein, and just grass. And then on one day, on one day a week, he lets himself splurge. He can have, like, pancakes for breakfast or whatever. But the other six days, he's not having candy. He's not having Crystal Light. He's not having seltzer water. He's literally drinking water.

[B]

Okay, you just. This is so shitty. You just named everything you've seen me consume since you've been here. He's not having Sour Patch Kids. He's not having Crystal Light.

[C]

He's not.

[B]

He's not having Laqua. I'm like, it seems pointed same.

[C]

It seems like that's all, like, six days a week.

[B]

Think I'm really mad that, like, my trainer was like, you can't have Crystal Light. Cause, like, it seems like I should be able to have that.

[C]

But something about it, girl, it feels

[B]

like I should be allowed to have Crystal Light. And, like. And, like, fuck off and leave me alone.

[C]

But I love how your trainer is like, bitch, when you were at my house and he got on and he was on the live, and he called you from what you had on the live. I was like, that is fucking brilliant. In case y' all don't know, Bob and I were at my house the day of the infamous couch, waiting for my couch. And we were playing Smush Mash Brothers, and we went on Instagram Live, which,

[B]

by the way, everyone agreed that you were acting wild about that couch. Everyone was like, you wanted Bob to wait outside for three hours.

[C]

Some people just don't do things the same way. I forgot what I said with that. Like, so that we're playing on live, and then Bob. We end the live, and Bob gets a text from the trainer. He was like, what were you eating on Monet's Live? And Bob was like. And Bob was like, oh, smart sweets. And he's like, send me a picture of it. Bob sends a picture. He sends Bob back the nutrition facts with the faceplom emergency. I was like, that's fierce.

[B]

And if anybody's asking, and if Ridge is watching this, I ate that stuff today before we started working together. This. The current timestamp is July 7th of 2019. This is. We. Some. We really do a lot of our episodes backlog. Don't worry about this.

[C]

Rude. This is.

[B]

This is. I haven't even met you yet,

[C]

so. But I. I really. I really evolved in fitness. And. And now today I'm. I'm at a point also. I don't know what this says about me as a person, but when I'm, like, actively, like, dating someone for real, I try my best to be the best me that I can for that person as well.

[B]

That makes sense. When me and Jacob started dating, I was really on a fitness kick, but I think it was also more so about where I was for the first time in my life. That's an exaggeration. For the first time in a long time, I really. I really was like, the stakes were up here.

[C]

The stakes were really high.

[B]

For the first time in a long time, I was in one place. For the first time in my life, I had a stable living situation. No, for the first time since being on Drag Race, I was in one place for six months. So when Jacob and I were first dating, I was.

[C]

Listen me to Rhondy, I need to tell you something.

[B]

We, Jacob and I were. I was going to the gym, like, all the time. We were eating really healthy. I was. I was grilling us these, like, grilled chicken. Every day, I would make us grilled chicken and, like, some sweet potatoes. I was like. I was like, like, salmon. I was like, koolikles.

[C]

Oh, my God. I told my guy about the Koolikles. He was like, he likes pickles. Like, that is the most. I was like, I know, it's disgusting.

[B]

Well, he's going to be on my. Well, tell him that the Koolikles are coming back. We're bringing them. But me and Jacob have discussed it this morning. The cool. But we're gonna document.

[C]

Did y' all really.

[B]

Yes, we did. The Koolickles are coming back. So if you are like me and you are a fan of Koolickles, by this time, the video's probably already on my YouTube page. If not, it is coming soon. Justiceforcoolickles. Will you come test em out with me?

[C]

No. You and all three of y' all and the Koolickle team, y' all come

[B]

test em with me.

[C]

I don't like pickles.

[B]

What?

[C]

I do not like. I do not Eat pickles. I take pickles off. I don't eat pickles.

[B]

That is crazy. Pickles are so good.

[C]

Yeah, no, not for me.

[B]

Do you like cucumbers?

[C]

I love cucumbers.

[B]

Have you had pickled carrots?

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

Ooh, pickled carrots are pickled any. If you pickle something, bitch, I'm eating it.

[C]

Okay, wait. So you and Jacob were really into fitness when y' all got together?

[B]

Well, I was really into fitness. Jacob got into fitness when we moved to New York City. Ms. Thing was always down at the planet fitness all the time, and now she's the queen of Runyon. Me and Jacob used to do Runyon like this. Like, the really easy. There are, like, several routes at Runyon. And then I came back. I was gone for a little bit, but I came back. Jacob was like, oh, I only do the hard route. I run it. I don't stop walking the whole time. I'm not breathing heavy. And that's just my life and what's up now? And I was like, all right. Bitch, my ass. I'm doing it with Jacob. I am wheezing. Well, I'm better. The first time I did Runyon, when I got back, I literally had to stop, like, three times on the way up the game.

[C]

Really?

[B]

Like three times.

[C]

But today, I'm a Runyon fan.

[B]

But today. Today I get up the main part, and then I, like, wheeze a little. Then I give the next part.

[C]

What it is for me. What I. What I don't like about running outside, like, jogging outside or doing running in, is I'm seeing the whole. The big picture at the gym. I just know I'm on this treadmill, and that's it. When I'm outside, I'm like, I know I have to go from here to here, and that looks scary to me.

[B]

Do it with me one time. Just one time. Once.

[C]

Okay. Do you want my to see it? I will do it with you if

[B]

you do it in drag. I actually. Will you do it in a drag with me?

[C]

I'll do the drag.

[B]

I have been wanting someone to do rain with me and full minus the shoes. No, you cannot do running heels. It. You. You don't want. You don't want that line.

[C]

Okay. That's another thing that I'm afraid of running in. I was like, what? You know when you come down the scary part, what if you fall off? You are growling to your death.

[B]

No, I don't think you're going to roll to your death. I. I think that if you fall off running Canyon. You'll probably hit the branches and, like. Because, like, they're. They're like trees in these things. You can't just roll through them.

[C]

I. I have a lot of centrifugal force, so I'll be coming down.

[B]

It's not Roblox, bitch. You can't just knock shit off.

[C]

I would like a meteor, bitch. Coming through. Just.

[B]

We saw someone today getting in an ambulance. Then we saw another lady who was, like. We were, like, walking. I was like. She was, like, coughing really heavily and, like, vomiting. And I was like, ma'. Am. I said, ma', am, are you okay? She goes, I'm just. I'm nauseous. And I was like, do you have water? Yeah. I was like, do you need an ambulance? She's like, no, I'm just. And then she, like, laid out. She's like, on this bench.

[C]

And you left her?

[B]

I asked her if she needed anything. I said, do you need an ambulance? Do you need anything? And she goes, no, I just. I just need a moment. So I left her.

[C]

What if she died?

[B]

Then I probably would have found out about it. So if everyone read the news. If on today, July 17, 2019.

[C]

When you go to the gym, what do you do?

[B]

I. I usually start by doing, like, some, like, jumping steps or, like, mountain climbers. I do a lot of those. I do, like, cycles. So I do, like, three workouts and, like, a cycle, and then I take a little break, and then I do. And I do that four times. So I do, like, weights over my head. I do a lot of lunges, a lot of that stuff. And it's all through Ridge. Before Ridge, I would usually just go to the gym and, like, dilly dally. I mean, like, walk around, pick stuff up, put it down. I don't know what the fuck I'm doing. Like, I mean, sometimes when I was younger, in my 20s, I used to go to the gym all the. I used to work out. All the time? Yeah, like, all the time. I was like, really? I forgot how much I was working. I used to, like, jog. I used to jog two miles to the gym, get there, do another 30 minutes on the treadmill, and then do some weight training and then jog home. Nice.

[C]

Jogging home. I can't.

[B]

I just do that every other day

[C]

when I'm doing the gym. I'm. I'm not doing more exercise.

[B]

This is. This is back when I had great knees and I was really skinny. And I was like. I was like, I am in the mood, honey. I was like, just jogging My ass all up and down through. From. From the Upper west side all the way to Harlem.

[C]

I've always been. I've always been a big gymmer now. So I in New York, I had my train of Brista Hay shout out to Brista Hay. He's a great trainer if you're in New York City. Brissy used to get me to geth her and I moved to la and I've been using Shreds. Mateo put me on Shreds.

[B]

Bitch, it's an app.

[C]

It is the fucking ticket. Shreds has gotten me together.

[B]

You tell me to fire it up.

[C]

Like, now I have my little, like, side, little definition things on my stomach. I'm like, let's go. All thanks to Shreds, I do feel like my ass is getting bigger.

[B]

What is shreds?

[C]

So Shreds is an app and you put in, like, what type of.

[B]

This is not paid.

[C]

This is not paid. By the way, there are like six different body types you can choose from. Like, lean X or different things of, like, what you like. Do you want to lose more fat and gain muscle? Do you just want to lose fat? Do you only want to gain muscle? Like, things like that. You put the difficulty, then you put how long a workout you want. 30 minutes, an hour, or an hour and a half. And I always do an hour, but it takes me an hour and a half to get through it. They will get you together. It will. Like, if you like, if you like, quit the workout before you done. You like really?

[B]

Faggot.

[C]

You can do a little more time than that.

[B]

No, it is not.

[C]

You can choose if you want that kind of language.

[B]

What?

[C]

I love it.

[B]

And what language do you choose?

[C]

That's what I want.

[B]

Then you get horny.

[C]

Then I go to the bathroom and whack one off. So. And yeah, so Shreds is great. If anyone cannot afford a trainer. Not shreds is $100 a year. It's not cheap, which is a little less than. A little more than that.

[B]

That's less than Netflix.

[C]

True. And it's great. I really recommend using Shreds for those who can't work out. But I work out. I've been to the gym probably in the past month. I've been to the gym about 25, 25 times. Have you thought about taking steroids? No. Nothing about.

[B]

Never even considered it.

[C]

Never. I don't want that type of body. I don't want that type of frame.

[B]

Well, not every. Okay, that's. That's not. Not everyone on Steroids has that body. That is a common misconception that everyone on steroids is, like, yoked and huge and, like, massively jacked. That's not. That's not everyone on steroids.

[C]

All of my friends were taking steroids, and they're all queer guys. In Hell's Kitchen nightlife, there might be

[B]

people on steroids you don't know are on steroids.

[C]

Well, all the people that I know who have been forthcoming about their steroid use, they all, to me, have said that it made them go loopy. And you're like, this girl, sorry, it was the steroids. I was really fucked up on steroids.

[B]

So I. I've considered taking steroids, like, recently, like in the past, like, year or so.

[C]

I was like, really?

[B]

Maybe I'll just give. Do a cycle and, like, do it.

[C]

Just inject yourself.

[B]

That part there's. You can. You could eat steroids too.

[C]

Oh.

[B]

But I was like, maybe. But I decided not to because a friend of mine who was on steroids was like, when you are off the steroids, it is like. He's like, I want to use a word that really describes it. And depression doesn't really seem to cover really, the feeling. You can't do. You can't do anything. Like, you just feel like, I can't even get up out of bed. Like, I just. I don't want to go to the. I don't want to go to the sink. I don't want to go to the kitchen. I don't. What, you just, like, you just feel really, really unmotivated and. And being. I'm always motivated to do stuff, and I. I'm. I'm kind of. I'm really afraid of fucking with my brain chemistry in that way.

[C]

But how does that. Okay, so how does steroids work with your sobriety?

[B]

I think that different people. Like, I know people who are sober who smoke weed, right? And I'm like, I would never. Couldn't be me, but I know people who do that. So I think people just. Some people, like, are like, I just want to not use alcohol. People are like, I just don't want to use cocaine. I don't want to smoke weed. I like to abstain from marijuana. Like cocaine, molly, alcohol, ketamine, a little

[C]

K here and there, acid, mushrooms.

[B]

It's just the Alphabet. But yeah. So I mean. And I also was battling with my thoughts about my sobriety, and I was like, so ultimately, I chose not to do steroids. And we'll get a little more into it when we get back.

[C]

Are we taking a break? Says who?

[B]

Me, bitch.

[C]

No, I'm saying it.

[B]

Watch this. Look at break. It's happening right now.

[A]

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[C]

And we're black.

[B]

Do you judge people who use steroids?

[C]

I don't judge for the use of steroids.

[B]

There's a stigma.

[C]

Yeah, there is a stigma, but I don't judge people to use steroids. I just. So steroids helps your muscles get bigger?

[B]

I do not understand the science behind steroids, but it does make you grow muscle faster. It gives you more energy at the gym as well.

[C]

Like you.

[B]

You're apparently more. This is not condoning or condemning. Yeah, I'm not condoning or condemning. It is. It apparently gives you more energy at the gym, and it also apparently makes your muscles grow faster.

[C]

Do you?

[B]

So you get the results sooner.

[C]

Okay.

[B]

And you can do a stronger and more fierce workout.

[C]

Do you like taking pre workouts?

[B]

I did not take pre workouts.

[C]

Because of sobriety.

[B]

No. I used to take them when I was. When I started. When I started, like, my work, like in New York City, I started taking pre workout and no explode. And I remember one day being like, I feel like a crackhead. Like, I was like. I was like, the itching.

[C]

I hate the itching part of it.

[B]

I was like. I was like. I was like, I am. I am. I'm shaking. Have you ever had this experience?

[C]

I never got the shakes, but I get the itchy thing. I hate that itchy feeling.

[B]

Yeah. But I have been, like, full on, like, shaking. Like, I am shaking right now. I am nervous. I remember one time taking a pre workout and, like, before work.

[C]

Why?

[B]

Just, like, energy to get through work. Like, I used to run up and down the stairs. Got it. The Jekyll and High Club was a four story restaurant.

[C]

No elevator for y'? All?

[B]

No. The employees cannot take the elevator elevators. Elevators are for the employee, the customers only. So we would run. I mean, actually five or if you could. The basement where the food was cooked, you had to run up and down. If you were on the, The. The fourth floor. Then there were these. These dumbwaiters. You know what a dumb waiter.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

So we had dumb.

[C]

I know those. From Harriet to Spy.

[B]

Oh, work. I mean, we didn't do this. There was a. It was a button. It was in. It was in 2008. I was there.

[C]

Harriet Spy was in like 2000s. No, 90s. Late 90s.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

But, you know, we didn't. We didn't have to, like. So the dumbwaiter is like. It's like. It's like. It's basically an elevator. For food or for items.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

But you still sometimes had to go down to the kitchen. So I was like, I just want to get some energy. And I was like. But I have ever since then, I've kind of stopped taking because I was remembering. Like, I'm just too. This is why I feel crazy.

[C]

Yeah. I don't. I'm not a big pre workout fan, so that's why I do a natural pre workout, which people make fun of me before. But it works for me. I take black tea. I just blew. I brew a whole pot of black tea at home and I just put it in a bottle and put it in the fridge and I put like a little bit of lime juice in it.

[B]

Who makes fun of you for that?

[C]

People say, like, girl, that's not like real. And that's not like a. I'm like, it does. It gives me energy. Black tea has caffeine.

[B]

Why wouldn't I give you energy?

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

Whoever's saying that is dumb.

[C]

But also, I stopped doing it because black tea stains your teeth. So now I just go off my own thing for the past like, six months.

[B]

You teeth aren't.

[C]

Yeah, but over time, it will stick with strawberries. But. Okay, I don't get that. When you sip it through a straw, it's still going in my mouth. It doesn't go straight to the straw to the back of my throat when I sip. It's in my mouth still.

[B]

When you put a straw, do you not put the straw down your throat? No, I literally, like, I deep throat the straw and I suck in. Is that not how you use a straw?

[C]

That's not how you use a straw, Bob.

[B]

That's not how you use a straw.

[C]

That's not how you're supposed to use a straw. That's why it has a little. The little. The metal shrouds have. Like, the thing is this long. Cause only this part goes in Your mouth.

[B]

I use the straight one. I just push it a little bit past my uvula.

[C]

Okay. See, I cannot take. You. Admit that that cat thing was full of shit.

[B]

No, the cat thing is real.

[C]

Don't believe it.

[B]

Go back and listen to the one about teamwork. The cat thing is real. But that being said, when I sip from a straw, I like class my. Like, I like vacuum around the straw and it never hits my teeth.

[C]

Maybe I just. I've never done that.

[B]

I've never.

[C]

It's never been my. My lived experience.

[B]

So do you have energy at the gym?

[C]

Yeah, I just have. I just have natural energy. People like, you don't take pre workouts like. No. You don't drink coffee? No, I just kind of just have energy.

[B]

That's true. I do not. I don't take anything where I go to the gym. I just show. Now. There have been times I've been to the gym like Ridge, like, I. Like there was a moment where we have to work with both of our schedules. Cause Ridge is a full time trainer.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

And I'm like there. And I'm like, girl, it is 8:30. And he's like, how's your day? I'm like, ridge, I woke up and came here. I have not done. I have not eaten, I have not brushed my teeth. What? I literally rolled out of bed, jumped in the car and came here so I wouldn't be late. That is literally. That is literally the only thing I've done today.

[C]

For me, brushing my teeth wakes me up. Like I feel like if I wake up in the morning and I do all like, change Colleen's litter, put her food out and blah, blah, blah, take my Metamucil. Not until I brush my teeth. There's like a chemical reaction when I brush my teeth.

[B]

I'm like, well, I'm being a little fatigued. I usually brush my teeth. I'm sure there's been a time or two where I didn't brush my teeth, but that's not my. I used to brush my teeth before every show because it gives you energy.

[C]

Why does it do that?

[B]

Why does the. I don't even know if it works. I just know my drama teacher used to brush her teeth before the show. And I was asking her why this is in high school and I said, why? She goes, it gives me energy. So then I just started brushing my teeth before every show.

[C]

It's probably a. It's probably just a. Like, like a placebo thing.

[B]

I stopped doing it once because once you're in drag, it really? You can't, you can't. But I will brush my teeth before I get in drag.

[C]

Yeah. Yeah.

[B]

Not always, but I used to do

[C]

it all the time. Yeah. So we've sometimes the, the fans kind of come. Not often. Like, this is very seldom. Like once in a while when you and I talk about, like, weight loss and dieting and stuff, they kind of come at us. They'd be like, we're like promoting being fat phobic.

[B]

I've only seen like a few being

[C]

like, you gotta say it's like one or two. Like hell or two. And I'm like, we're not being fat for. We're talking about our experiences with weight and diet and exercise, which is the truth for a lot of people.

[B]

Yeah, I'm just looking up a body, by the way. I mean, for just, just real clear. I, I, we are talking about our journeys with our bodies. We're not saying what everyone's body needs to be. I'm just talking about my journey with my body. I actually do think the world is inherently fat phobic, and I do think that is baked into my essence as a person. And I do not think that I am free from that, you know, bias.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

But I think that me talking about my journey with my body on your podcast. On my podcast is not like. But also if you're triggered, then like, sure, that's valid. But, but I also don't, I also, I don't necessarily think that the world should be trigger free. Like, if you're you, there's going to be things that trigger people in different spaces for sure. You know what I mean? And if you're triggered, then we're talking about our journeys with weight.

[C]

Yeah, yeah. Which again, I've been struggling my weight since I was sneaking that curry gold out the pot since I was like 7 years old. This is, this is a lifelong journey, girl. Lifelong journey.

[B]

Listen, I'm with you. I saw that and I was kind of like, I mean, all right, Mary, I mean, you're not invalid. But also, like, not you policing me and my journey with my own body on my own podcast. Like, bitch,

[C]

who is. Who is body?

[B]

And she's listening. So sorry, sorry.

[C]

Who's. Whose body goes for you.

[B]

Okay. I mean, there are people whose bodies. I'm like, I really love this body. I don't know that I actually want to look like this. I just think their bodies are great. There's a guy named Amir Morris from Chicago whose body is with the dreads. Yeah. Is so great.

[C]

It's Insane.

[B]

I don't think I actually want to look like this or do anything to look that way, but it's just a great body, and I can't. I'm just wondering what life must be like going through the world looking like that with that body. Like, must be nice. Yeah, you know, I'm just like, his situation.

[C]

I mean, he is beau.

[B]

Now you're calling his body a situation?

[C]

His whole situation, the whole thing. The face, the pecs, the abs, the thighs, the booty. It's all just.

[B]

So the only fans.

[C]

He has the only fans. I don't know. Probably.

[B]

Yeah, everyone has only fans. He does. He has an only fans. We should do one day. We should have a few people submit their only fans and do a review

[C]

of the onlyfans sibling fanery.

[B]

I mean, that would be a great episode. We'll review four OnlyFans. We'll describe it to you in great detail with their permission. Yeah, we're not gonna do random people. That could be a good four.

[C]

That's not a lot four. That's nothing.

[B]

I mean, I can talk about.

[C]

What if it's bad?

[B]

I mean, if they listen. If you submit and you ask us to reveal we're onlyfans. Yeah, you're gonna knock that. My very real plan.

[C]

Bob and Monet, we have never done anything on this podcast to not be honest. Bitch, if we're reviewing your only fans, we're gonna be honest about it.

[B]

I kind of. I also. There's a part of me that's like. I really want to be, like, skinny. Skinny like this. Like. Like, I love.

[C]

He is so hot, too.

[B]

You know who this is?

[C]

Yeah, Fred's from New York.

[B]

How you know him?

[C]

Bitch, he used to come around the shows.

[B]

I know.

[C]

We go to the help all the time.

[B]

Yeah, we had a friend in common. But, like, part of me is just like. Look at these. Like,

[C]

part of me is like, my body, literally, my body physically cannot get that skinny.

[B]

I. I don't think I. I don't think I can get back to that. I was never that skinny.

[C]

I've never been skinny in my life.

[B]

I've been. I've been slim, but I've never been, like. No, I've been skinny. I've been. I've been fully skinny.

[C]

Really?

[B]

Yeah. When I was in seventh grade, I was. I keep telling you this. In seventh grade. I've been six foot two since seventh grade. I am 225 pounds. In seventh grade, I was 125 pounds. So this. Just look at my body and think If I had £100 off of it, that is how skinny I was.

[C]

Yeah. I just don't think my body can do that. Although. But I've seen like, big folk. And you're like, I have two friends that went through very dramatic, drastic weight loss journeys. I was like, I didn't even think your body could be that small. It's crazy.

[B]

Yeah. I mean, I will say this. Like, my mom is. Was a very skinny person growing up, like, was teased for being skinny, and then she kind of like, became like a little not thick. Because, I mean, obviously some thick people are like, these. These holes are thick. But my mom was, like, not super skinny. She had like, like a butt. And like, my mom always had, like, kind of small boobs, but, like, whatever. But then my mom got really sick. She was like, this is these. My mom being sick was probably the skinniest person I've ever seen in my own. With my own eyes. My mom was like, less than 100 pounds.

[C]

Wow.

[B]

And she's like 58 or 5 7. So she's not very short. She was. I mean, she was insanely. She. It looked like a skeleton with some skin on it.

[C]

That's crazy.

[B]

It was really crazy.

[C]

I couldn't imagine seeing. I would be. I would like, burst into tears.

[B]

I. And I did. But she's picked it up. Martha, thick again. Martha looking thick.

[C]

I've always had thick thighs and a big butt. I've never not had that. So I don't know, honestly.

[B]

When did you get your bbl, Meatball?

[C]

Literally, I went to Kimchi's makeup party thing, and every time meatballs told me so. Monet, the BBL girl, tell us about the bbl. And I'm like, I didn't have a fucking bbl. Why would I add.

[B]

You don't want to take the time to come clean.

[C]

Oh, my God.

[B]

You did go.

[C]

Now you're going to make this another thing.

[B]

You did go to Puerto Rico recently.

[C]

Y' all gotta make this a thing. If I'm on naked MVB now, it's going to be a whole thing again.

[B]

Did you go to Puerto Rico recently?

[C]

Yes, I did.

[B]

I'm just saying look at the pictures before. Before and after. Before. Who is that?

[C]

It's Whitney Williams.

[B]

I'm just saying. No, it was Omarosa. I'm just saying pictures before and after. Just look at the pictures. It was Omarosa versus Winnie Williams.

[C]

But yeah, so I have thought about this getting fat removed from my ass.

[B]

Why?

[C]

It's too big. I'm saying just a little bit Is

[B]

your asshole hard to get to?

[C]

No.

[B]

Like, when someone has a big ass, it is like getting your hand in there because the ass is tight and it's like a lot of muscle.

[C]

Yeah, no, it's good.

[B]

Your hole is loose.

[C]

Easy access.

[B]

So your hole is loose.

[C]

No, I have a pretty tight hole.

[B]

Scale of 1. On a scale of 1 to death grip. 10 is a gorilla grip, and 1 is a gaping hole. Where you think you're at.

[C]

I'm probably like, seven, eight.

[B]

Which one of us do you think has the tightest asshole?

[C]

Bob? Obviously you. You won't even put a fucking finger back there.

[B]

I didn't say I won't. I've had a finger on my butt at the doctor's office recently. I got fully finger blasted at a doctor's office on the Upper west side, and I put a Q tip in my butthole a couple of weeks ago.

[C]

I take more dicks in my abs than you. You don't know that. In my life. In my life, I've pop. You have famously sometimes podcast that you don't bottom. Like, the last time you bought them was back in my day when I bought them.

[B]

But you don't know how many dicks I was taking before I could have been fucking bust down. Tatiana.

[C]

You weren't.

[B]

You don't know that you weren't. I wasn't.

[C]

So I definitely had more bottom situations than you have in your life.

[B]

Anyway, I don't like this shaming of me.

[C]

Not shaming you.

[B]

This top shaming.

[C]

You know what, Bob? You can change the tide tonight.

[B]

Jacob. Jacob does not want to talk. Jacob was like. I remember being like, jacob, do you want to talk? He goes, I would just feel silly. Those exact words. I would just feel silly. One time.

[C]

Okay, never mind.

[B]

One time we were. We were having a threesome, and there was this. This guy in our bed, and he liked. He really liked being spanked. Like, he liked, like. And I mean, like, he liked to get hit, destroyed. Like, he was like. Like he wants. Like, he was like, he's a brown guy. He's like a South Asian. So you have, like. He, like, I want my ass to change color when he's like. And it's not a white ass, so you have to, like, hit me a lot.

[C]

No.

[B]

And then Jacob was. Back then. He was like. He was like, spank me.

[C]

Y' all can't see only the one. Jacob said.

[B]

And then Jacob just got up and left the room and didn't come back. Jacob said, I think I'm good. I think I'M gonna go see spanking

[C]

this thing, like, because it was.

[B]

It was the hesitation, and

[C]

spanking is tricky. I mean, yeah, sure, you can spank me, but not to the point of bleeding to death.

[B]

He wasn't bleeding, but he wanted.

[C]

He wants his ass to change color. Your brown bob. That takes a lot of spanking.

[B]

He wanted to be bruised, and he wanted to have a hard time sitting down the next day.

[C]

No.

[B]

And he would send pictures and his ass would be, like, completely like, no black and blue.

[C]

No.

[B]

He also sent me a video one time of him, like, getting, like, fully, like, whipped with a whip. This guy wanted his ass to get beat.

[C]

I mean, I'm not kink shaming, whatever. I just don't understand, like, what. So is the sensation. Oh, are you happy that you're being hurt? Or.

[B]

Let me explain. Is there any kind of pain that you're like, this feels sexy. There's. There is like, one or two pains that I'm like, this feels sexy to me. I like the pain of. I don't know how to. I've only can do this by myself. I've never been able to experiment with this with another person. But, like, when I'm in the shower and the water is so hot that I can't stand still, and it happened when it hits me right above, right in the small of my back, that feels sexy. And it is so hot. Like, it's like something about that specific pain. I don't know. Someone in the. Someone listening right now finally feels s. Like, oh, my God, me too.

[C]

Comment.

[B]

They will comment when it's so hot. And specifically in the small of my back, that feels hot. Maybe I should get into, like, wax or something. But it's had to be, like, the thing about wax, it's like it drops and then it goes. Like the water is a constant. Like, we've showered together, Jacob. And you're like, it is. I like a hot shower.

[C]

I like hot showers. Like, I like it not boiling hot, but I like it hot.

[B]

I like it to be so hot that I can't stop moving. Or else.

[C]

Or like the entire bathroom just turns into the Niagara Falls.

[B]

Oh, for sure.

[C]

Smoke and steam everywhere.

[B]

You can't see 100.

[C]

You can't see your hand like, this 100%.

[B]

That is a pain that I think is sexy. There's no pain you think is kind of sexy.

[C]

You see?

[B]

You like getting slapped?

[C]

Yeah, I like getting slapped. I mean, yeah, I like getting slapped, but I'm not like, ooh, this was crazy.

[B]

How hard? How hard do you make a. What do you mean, slap my hand? How hard are you gonna get slapped in the face?

[C]

Okay, like, Jacob,

[B]

I know a guy. No, really. Show me. Come on, show me. I mean, I don't. It.

[C]

Honestly, it depends on how the sex is. I've gotten this. I've gotten this. I've gotten that before.

[B]

Bitch, you were hurt. This is some Street Fighter shit. Who you fight, who you fucking? E. Hawking. You fucking Ryu and Ken.

[C]

But if the moment is good and, like, it's good, bitch, I'm like, I'm here for it. But if you. But if you back there thinking that you doing something and, bitch, I'm like, over here about to put on my switch and finish my last round of smash. You try to slap me like that, then we're gonna fight. Cause you're not putting in the work to make it worth it, you know?

[B]

I mean, I've been slapped a few times during sex, and it's cool.

[C]

Yeah, but it's not a pain you enjoy.

[B]

Not enjoy it. But, I mean, I. I can get into it work. You know what I mean? It. It's not. It. It don't hit like, that. Scalding shower water. That. That is like. That feels great. That feels really great.

[C]

I mean, I know that feeling, but I'm not like, I want it to happen.

[B]

It feels like. All I compare it to is, like, when you have, like, some sort of, like, a rash or really dry skin, and you scratch your inner thighs, and you have reached a point where it is. It does hurt, but it also feels good.

[C]

Right.

[B]

You're scratching like you have dry. And you're like. I mean, you're like this. This. Definitely there is pain involved.

[C]

I'm trying to think of something that I have that feeling. I can't think of anything I'm sure that exists. I just can't think of it right now. But I'm sure that has happened for sure.

[B]

What's your body goal? Who has your body goals? But again, I don't know that Amir has my body goal. I just love it if my body looked like that. I also. I think that maybe Wade has a nice body. It's like, he's not, like, jacked. Yeah, Wade has a great body, but he's like. Amir is jacked.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

You know what I mean?

[C]

Mateo has a great body, too, but Mateo has, for me, too many. Like, Mateo's sexy. I think Mateo is a drag.

[B]

Mateo.

[C]

Mateo has. I've said this a million times. Mateo has literally the perfect body. But for me, I Don't want to have so many muscles. I feel like that's. I feel like I would have too many muscles. Like, I feel like I am. I am a big breed of human being and I don't need even bigger muscles to be even bigger.

[B]

You know who has big muscles and it really works in drag? Karen Michaels post videos. And I'm like, you are huge. And then in drag, I'm like, I don't know how you figure this out. Yeah, but you don't look.

[C]

I would agree with that.

[B]

Like, like in drag, she does not look super muscular.

[C]

Yeah. Yeah. I would agree with that.

[B]

What is it? Sleep? What is it?

[C]

I don't know. I don't know. Honestly, there's not really anyone that have a body, goals of mind, which is weird. Like, they're like different parts of people. I want. I would love to have a physique like that of which I would never have. Okay. I love the tone of Naomi, but. Naomi. But I would. But I like my thickness. I don't know. It's weird. Like, different pieces of nature.

[B]

Naomi's body is so great. It is. Naomi has a great, perfect body. I mean, Naomi's one of those folks who just like every. I bet her asshole looks perfect. Her feet. She has pretty feet.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

She has beautiful hands.

[C]

It's ridiculous.

[B]

Her every. There's no scars. There's no. There's no blemishes. Everything. She has a full head of hair.

[C]

Everything.

[B]

Her hands are soft.

[C]

It's ridiculous. Her elbows and she's kind.

[B]

I bet her elbows are soft and she's kind. How are your elbows? My elbows a little rough. Feel my elbows. Like, I have soft skin, but a little scaly on the elbows. But like, I bet you a dollar Naomi has soft ass.

[C]

Elbows probably.

[B]

There's no way. Her whole body is just ridiculous. It really is great. Good for you, Naomi. Good for you.

[C]

You cracked the code.

[B]

Congratulations.

[C]

Fucking bitch. But yeah, so there's like, parts of people I would.

[B]

I can't imagine her having, like, discoloration anywhere.

[C]

No, it doesn't exist.

[B]

I've also seen her entire body.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

Except her anus.

[C]

Everything's great.

[B]

Good for you, girl. You better work.

[C]

Fuck her.

[B]

I have fucking. I went to the doctor the other day because I'm pre op for the surgery and bitch. My whole heel was, like, covered in. Like, I was like, this is gross. Like, I have eczema. I found out I have eczema. I've developed eczema. That's where I'm at. And Naomi has literally Nothing on her body anywhere. And I have a crusty, dusty heel.

[C]

Bitch.

[B]

My feet are a. The whole both of them. They look. I'm like. When people look at my feet, I tuck them away. I'm like, don't look at my feet.

[C]

Little also has a gray body, too. Like, blemish free. Like fierce. Plastique.

[B]

Plastique.

[C]

I knew it.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

Great skin.

[B]

You have pretty feet, too. They're huge.

[C]

They are big, but.

[B]

But they're not like, like, you see my, my. They're like, crusty.

[C]

But, Bob, when you get your feet done, they look great. And I told you this. You don't believe. So I told you when you get your feet done, get a pedicure. I also go, like once a week to get a pedicure.

[B]

I don't like going to those people because they hurt me.

[C]

No, the video of you getting it and you being tickled like one of my TikTok. That shit is so funny. You could not come.

[B]

I am very ticklish on the feet. But also, like, they always. Okay, here's the thing. You go get your feet done, and then you're like, ow. And they're like, sorry, but they do it again and they're like, trust me, this is for the better. I'm like, but you're hurting me. Whatever you're doing, you're getting skin. You're clipping me. You're cutting it too short. And now, like, my feet. Feet, you know, your nails are cut too short and anything you touch hurts. Yeah, but for my feet for like a week, it's horrible.

[C]

Yeah, but in terms of fitness, like, so seeing where you are now, I know you're on this fitness journey now. What are you. What do you. What. What. What are you looking for? For your fear for your future.

[B]

Like, what are you looking to get rid of? My. Okay, I'm looking to have my. My chest stick out first, farther than my stomach.

[C]

Got it.

[B]

That is like a goal of mine.

[C]

Got it.

[B]

To have my chest stick out further than my stomach. I have gotten rid of my back rolls work, which feels nice for me, and I'm trying to tone my arms up work.

[C]

I love that.

[B]

Those are my goals. And again, anyone.

[C]

This is.

[B]

These are my goals. This is not whatever you do with your body, and your goals are great and valid, and that is great and super invalid.

[C]

Your body. Bob's choice.

[B]

Oh, my God. This is just me. I'm not policing what you do with your body. This is just me and mines.

[C]

Yeah. For me. I want to get my tummy A little flatter. So I'm going on a good journey there. I'm trying to build up my titties more. My pecs are really coming in, which I'm like, God. Because, you know, I was a kid, I had man boos forever.

[B]

I'm not a kid gynomasty. But I went.

[C]

My doctor said I don't have that. My doctor said, you just have a lot of fat. I was like, work. So not the rose.

[B]

The Monet at the doctor's office.

[C]

My effects are really coming in and I wanna. I want. My butt muscles are getting a lot firmer. I want. I want like a. I want no jiggle in my butt. I want it to be like, solid like this.

[B]

Your ass is so big.

[C]

I know, but it's so much. There's so much fat around it that. That's probably unlikely, but you really shouldn't

[B]

get anything taken off your butt. Your butt is iconic. It is great. It looks really good. And I feel like your butt is just so great. Why would you get rid of it? I'm always hitting your butt.

[C]

But you know what it is? I have that thing that when I put on pants, the waist. Like right now I have to buy a 36 pant because to fit my ass. And then the waist be loose as hell.

[B]

Get them fucking fixed.

[C]

But I want to be able to go and pick up a 34 or whatever and live my dreams. I don't want to have to have all this space on top of my pants.

[B]

I hate it. Just get your pants fixed.

[C]

Why am I paying to get pants fixed?

[B]

Because they don't fit Monet.

[C]

But if I get rid of some of my ass, I can go down to the size that I'm supposed to wear.

[B]

I just feel like getting your pants fixed is a little easier than getting your ass chopped off.

[C]

So I got a fitting yesterday. I got a fitting yesterday because the costumes made. Guess what? My waist is now in a corset. What? 28 and a half.

[B]

A little thick. Sorry to hear that.

[C]

Do you know what my measurements are? My measurements are now with titties on 44. 28 and a half. 47. That is crazy.

[B]

I do not know my measurements right now.

[C]

Really?

[B]

I don't know my measurements right now.

[C]

Work.

[B]

I know that I was recently doing a shoot for nubia and the waist was snooched. Magooched in the.

[C]

Your waist always this match, though.

[B]

Yeah, Gatrandra. But yeah, I mean, I think at my. There was a point where my waist was like. I think my waist Was really, really teeny weeny to teeny tiny. Back when I did that, the most, it was like. It was like Netflix had this thing called Most. And there's a video of me in. In the cat suit in the technicolor catsuit with the braids. And I'm like walking towards.

[C]

Oh, yeah, yeah.

[B]

And I like, I think my voice is. I mean, it probably wasn't 26 inches, but it. Whatever it was, it was. It was very tiny. I was like, oh, girl, this is like crazy.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

But I also don't necessarily think that I will be back to that. And I'm also not stressed about it. Like, I'm not trying to, like, yeah, I am just trying to maintain. I want to get to a space where I can go to the gym. And my only goal for going to the gym is to just, like, be healthy or to like. But. And if I'm being honest, I am going to look a certain way. Like my. I am not at a mental space yet where my. My gym goals are just. Just to be healthy. I'm not there. And if you are, that is. That is so admirable and so commendable. Mama. I'm not there.

[C]

Well, you know, for me, you know what I'm doing this month, I'm doing. I told you. I gave up alcohol and I gave up dairy, which it's already. I feel great. I don't know if it's the alcohol or dairy. We'll see. That's dvd. Because alcohol tastes so good. I wanted a cocktail last night so bad. I really wanted something like her. You ever drink problem?

[B]

Go ahead.

[C]

And then I've been doing. I've been doing two days, so I've been really working out a lot.

[B]

Yeah, well, me too. I worked out twice yesterday, so. I did actually.

[C]

I believe you.

[B]

I went to Running Canyon with. With my baby. And then I went to the gym

[C]

right afterwards when I. Back when you, like a little before you met me, that's when I just graduated college. I was like, really crazy in two days. And that's when probably that's when I was at my adult schedule. Let me show you. We can put this. We will put this on the screen.

[B]

See, look at us. We are changed women. We are really out here doing the work.

[C]

Ladies and gentlemen, this is when I was at my adult guineas. This is me at my adult skinniest. When was this? This. What was the date? This was no 2016.

[B]

What's wrong? Why not then?

[C]

Cause I don't think I was that skinny in 2016, I think when I upreached.

[B]

Well, that's another thing. One day we. In our heads, in the moment, you are like, I was huge. And then you look back and you're like, I was tiny.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

Especially when I. Especially pre drag race, I was skinny.

[C]

Oh, yeah. Oh, for sure.

[B]

And then am I. At the time, I did not feel that way. This is me when I was on the set for. From.

[C]

Oh, my God. It is like, crazy.

[B]

We will. We will put this on the screen. Girl, I should find that belt and see if I can put it back on. That is a. That is one of those metal belts with no elastic in it.

[C]

Yeah. So you have to clink, clink.

[B]

Well, Monet, thank you for having this chat. And listen, I will say this. I'm not sure. I don't know if you sound mean or whatever, but if you were triggered by any of this conversation, we will put a trigger one at the end of the episode. We are talking about our bodies, talking about our journeys with our weight, which is not always healthy. Sometimes it is. It is a. You know, we are on our own journeys, just like you are on your journeys at home as well.

[C]

And Bob is going to, you know, tell you guys how you should handle your body.

[B]

Say that. Goodbye, everyone.

[C]

Goodbye.

[A]

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