The One About Getting Older

Summary

Sibling Rivalry – The One About Getting Older (02/23/2022)

Episode Overview

Drag superstars Bob the Drag Queen and Monét X Change dive into an unfiltered, hilarious, and heartfelt discussion about aging—both personally and in queer and drag communities. With characteristic banter, they swap stories about childhood misadventures, reflect on the meaning of queer “elders,” debate generational divides in drag, and imagine casting for a RuPaul biopic. The episode is both riotous and reflective, highlighting their unique chemistry and perspective on getting older—on stage, in life, and as icons.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Growing Up: Fashion, Family, and Childhood Mischief

[01:14-06:09]

• Monét and Bob reminisce about changing styles, especially hat fashion:
  • Monét notes her brother still rocks the flat brim look:
    "My brother still wears his hats like that...he's a hood ass current." (01:56)
• Bob (humorously, and then semi-seriously) shares a story about starting—not starting—a forest fire as a kid in Alabama:
  • Bob: “Some close friends of mine did start a forest fire...the fire department had to come down.” (03:36)
• They riff on childhood trouble, “riding or dying” with friends, and not snitching (“You grew up with OP, honey, you a pussy.” – Bob, 05:49)

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2. Banter & Old Lady Sayings

[08:04-10:42]

• Bob uses old aphorisms: “I was born at night, but it wasn’t last night.” (08:40)
• Monét teases Bob for his “old lady sayings,” connecting this to their overall theme of aging.

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3. Ski Trips and Drag Queen Firsts

[11:36-13:16]

• Both discuss the gay drag queen ski week, noting they're not the first—but:
  • Bob: “We are the first drag queens to do the X Games, though.” (12:15)
• This leads to a playful debate about copycatting within drag circles and ski trip trendsetting.

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4. Untapped Talents & Regrets

[13:16-14:43]

• Monét wonders if she has a hidden athletic talent, and Bob muses he might be decent at archery or shooting:
  • Bob: “I have a sneaking suspicion that I'd be really good at archery and shooting guns.” (14:28)
  • Monét recounts trying a gun range in Burbank and not enjoying it (15:13).

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5. Guns, Law, and Statute of Limitations

[16:54-18:46]

• Bob tells wild stories of handling guns in the South and college, and pivots to someone stealing guns for a bank robbery:
  • Bob: “We took the guns out of the case without their permission...then I told you that his other roommate stole the guns and used them in the bank.” (18:36)

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6. City Pride: Atlanta vs. Metro Area & NYC Defines Itself

[19:03-25:56]

• Bob stands up for Atlanta’s broader metro area after being ribbed via a viral rap song, while Monét teases him for being "salty":
  • “People from the city of Atlanta love to act like they do not know what people mean when they say Atlanta.” — Bob (19:30)
• They draw comparisons to New York City and what counts as being “really” NYC. Subways, the Long Island Rail Road, and whether Jamaica, Queens is “city enough” get debated.

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7. Milestone Birthdays & The Meaning of Getting Older

[26:57-29:47]

• Monét reflects on disinterest in birthdays, but is moved by Bob and Patty’s efforts to make her recent one special.
• They hilariously call out Drag Race sisters who promised—but didn’t deliver—video wishes (notably Trixie Mattel and Violet Chachki):
  • Monét: “But yet I brought my black ass to your little, your little whack ass motel opening...” (30:34)

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8. The Aging Drag Queen Body & Health

[34:15-35:44]

• Monét reports increased body creaks, especially her knees due to heavy lifting, while Bob extols the virtues of low-impact cardio:
  • “You know what’s really bad for your knees is a lot of cardio...Elliptical is low impact.” — Bob (35:20)

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9. Seeing Yourself Age & Celebrity Aging

[35:48-37:41]

• Bob admits to noticing physical changes in aging, specifically after 35, and feeling he’s “becoming Uncle Steve.”
• Monét celebrates icons like Angela Bassett for aging “beautifully”:
  • “Angela Bassett...she does not look that much different than [in 1993]. It’s really impressive, honestly.” — Monét (37:29)

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10. Dating & the Allure of Older Partners

[37:44-39:33]

• Both reflect on their histories with dating older or younger people; Monét always felt drawn to older men for their maturity.
• Bob tells a story about dating a man over twice his age: “I was 22...he was like, 54.”

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11. Defining 'Queer Elders' & Generational Drag

[44:47-50:39]

• They debate what makes someone a queer or drag elder. By years active, some queens are “elders” at a younger age (due to the AIDS epidemic and loss among an older generation).
  • “A part of queer elders, especially trans elders, being younger...is the fact that a lot of people...were not able to make it because of violence, because of the AIDS epidemic.” — Bob (46:27)
• They name-check drag legends (Peppermint, Bianca Del Rio, Sherry Vine, Lady Bunny, Flawless Sabrina, et al.), discussing generational gaps and historical drag documentation.

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12. Dream Casting: The RuPaul Biopic

[51:27-59:42]

• They go deep in fantasizing about who would play key queer icons in a RuPaul biopic:
  • Bob: “Imagine...a documentary, a biopic called Funny Bunny...Trixie’s playing Lady Bunny.”
  • Monét: “I see Alaska.”
  • For RuPaul, Bob selects Jay Harrison Ghee (“Krista Demure”) for her Broadway chops.
  • They also discuss casting Michelle Visage, Matthew Anderson, and others, debating the importance of musical ability for the roles.
  • Memorable quote: “In the RuPaul biopic, Supermodel, Trixie Mattel is Lady Bunny...” (58:18, Bob)

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13. RuPaul’s Early Career Drama – The Milton Berle Story

[60:40-63:22]

• Bob recounts RuPaul’s infamous 1993 MTV Awards moment with Milton Berle as a pivotal, villain-arc milestone:
  • “RuPaul basically had her first villain arc when she fought with Milton Berle...” (60:40)
• They explain why RuPaul believes fame comes with swinging pendulums (highs become lows).

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14. Reflections on Grumpy Elders & The Comedy of Old Age

[68:12-69:20]

• Monét and Bob lovingly roast Joy Behar as a model old, grumpy comedian whose humor fits her age, hoping for that kind of honesty as they grow older.
  • “There is comedy about being an old, grumpy old man or old woman. I find that to be funny.” — Monét (68:34)
• Bob insists he’ll be a “gracious” older person, but Monét doubts it:
  • “You get annoyed by little things now. When you get older...the tiny filter that you do have now...is going to be completely gone. It’s going to be great.” (69:08)

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15. How “Old” Is an Elder?

[70:47-71:08]

• They try to define the generational cut-off in drag:
  • Bob: “If you’re splitting it down the middle, I’m gonna say it’s 1 to 20 years and then 20 and up.”
  • Monét thinks 15 years of experience marks the shift.

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16. The Reality of Queer and Drag Longevity

[71:52-72:18]

• Discussing the oldest drag queens they know, they share local legends like Lady Bunny, RuPaul (62), and Darcelle in Portland.
  • Monét: “Darcelle is the oldest drag queen in America.” (72:18)

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17. When Is It Time to Stop?

[73:21-74:34]

• With signature irreverence, Monét says shitting herself in drag will be her final straw. They reminisce about legendary (and infamous) performers who may have missed their “quitting” cue.

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Notable Quotes & Moments

• Bob: “I just feel like I would be really good at shooting guns.” (14:28)
• Monét (on Bob's gift at her birthday): “It made me very emotional. I was almost gonna cry, but I fought back the urge.” (27:55)
• Bob: “A part of queer elders, especially trans elders, being younger...is the fact that a lot of people...were not able to make it because of violence, because of the AIDS epidemic...” (46:27)
• Monét (on generational divide): “I feel like elder is someone over 60. That’s, like, an elder to me.” (45:00)
• Bob (on RuPaul’s villain arc): “RuPaul basically had her first villain arc when she fought with Milton Berle at the MTV Awards.” (60:40)
• Monét (on aging): “Do I feel older...my knees have definitely feel a little more sensitive than they used to.” (34:15)
• Bob: "You get annoyed by little things now. When you get older...the tiny filter you do have is going to be completely gone." (69:08)

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Timestamps for Important Segments

| Time | Segment/Topic | |---------|----------------------------------------------------------------------------| | 01:14 | Childhood style & playful banter | | 03:36 | Bob’s (alleged) forest fire confession | | 08:40 | “Old lady sayings” | | 11:36 | Drag ski trip, X Games first | | 14:28 | Hidden talents and gun story—“good at shooting guns” | | 19:30 | Atlanta vs. Metro disagreement; city pride | | 26:57 | Monét’s birthday & missing Drag Race sisters’ video wishes | | 34:15 | Adjusting to bodily changes from aging | | 37:29 | Aging like Angela Bassett | | 44:47 | Defining ‘queer elder’ and generational divides in drag | | 51:27 | Dream casting: RuPaul biopic (Trixie, Alaska, Jay Harrison Ghee, etc.) | | 60:40 | RuPaul vs. Milton Berle, the MTV Awards | | 68:34 | The comedy of grumpy old age | | 70:47 | Where’s the line between young and old in drag? | | 71:52 | Name-checking the oldest drag queens | | 73:21 | When is it time to quit? Shitting yourself as the breaking point |

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Tone and Language

The episode is playful, irreverent, occasionally raunchy, but woven with genuine wisdom about navigating age as queer and drag artists. Monét and Bob keep things real—balancing shade and sentimentality, confession and celebration, always in their signature, infectious style.

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Final Reflection

The episode wraps by expressing gratitude to queer elders, inviting listeners to share their experiences, and acknowledging the importance of community memory and legacy.
Bob: “Thank you so much for being out, for being visible, for being a shining beacon and an example of what it means to be alive and queer...especially if you are an elder black queer, if you’re trans queer...” (74:34)

Monét: “We really do appreciate it, and it’s nice to hear y'all chime in and be like...here’s why Monet is wrong, here’s why Bob don’t make no sense, because back when we was young...” (75:08)

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For those new to the show, this episode is a quintessential Sibling Rivalry blend: uproarious, insightful, gloriously messy, and a loving tribute to aging—drag-style and otherwise.

Transcript

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My name is Bob the Drag Queen.

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And I'm Monet X Change.

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And this is sibling rivalry.

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On this week's episode, Bob the Drag Queen burns down a forest.

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We talk about queer elders and we

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find out what made Bob say.

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I just feel like I would be really good at shooting guns. And we find out what made Mo say this.

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But yet I brought my black ass to your little, your little whack ass motel opening. What you guys said my video work okay. Hello.

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When I was. Hi. When I was younger, the way you were wearing your hat was. They would make fun of us so bad if we wore our hat that way.

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When you were a young warthog.

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When I was a young what? Hog. Very nice. Thanks. He puts down his roma like a certain appeal. He could clear the savannah after every meal. But when I was, when I was younger, the way to wear a hat was like a completely flat brim and you keep that shiny gold sticker on it.

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That's not, when you're younger, that's, that's still a thing for certain people if you like that aesthetic.

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Someone somewhere.

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There's not someone somewhere.

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Somewhere. I mean there's, it's still popular wearing bell bottoms.

[A]

It's still popular for people to wear their hats. Like that flat brim with the, with the new era sticker on it like uptown in New York. Anywh. That's, that's, that's still a popular thing. My brother still wears his hats like that. And my brother is a hood ass current. My brother is a hood. My brother.

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Do you think your brother's hip?

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Yeah, my brother is very hip and current. Like he get like, he, he's, he like stands in the Foot Locker. Well, it doesn't stand in full lock alliance anymore. He gets them but he gets like all the new Jordans that come out even though he has like every color.

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From what you talk to me about your brother, I, I, I'm shocked that you would describe him as a hood ass cuz. He, I'm not trying to spill your family. See, but he doesn't, he does not sound like a hood ass nigga. He sounds like a Family man who.

[A]

No, he's a. My. Okay, my brother's a family man, but he's not. When I say. When I say my brother dresses like a hood ass. No, that's a better description. My brother dresses like a hood ass.

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I was in your brother.

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I'm not.

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I'm not trying to say what he does for a living, but my brother's a cop. Oh, I love doing it.

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I don't know why it stickles me. Because you are fire starter. You are. You're a pyro

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nar. You know, I used to. I did used to like playing with fire as a child, actually.

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We talked about this, remember? I. I try to burn. I try to burn my. Well, I didn't try to. I was playing with fire in my grandmother's living room and I set the car.

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You didn't try.

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You did it. Is there.

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Is there ever something in your life that you. That you did? And you're like, I can't believe that we got away with this. No one can know about this.

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No, I don't have any experiences like that. Do you?

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The statues of limitations worn off. So I feel like I can say this, but I will. It wasn't me, but some close friends of mine did start a forest fire when I used to live in the woods.

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Like. Like, how bad?

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They caught the woods. They caught the woods on fire so bad the fire department had to come down. It was like a whole thing.

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Like, how many acres would you say?

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I didn't count it. We ran. So we were. They were okay. These people that I know were playing in the woods, and then they came in like, we need help. We need help. Like, we started a fire and it's getting out of control. So we were running this. When I lived in Phoenix State, Alabama, I used to live in. I used to live in this neighborhood that was just in the woods. So we were running back with buckets of water, trying to pour it on this fire. And then we were children one day, and then it got to a point where we were like, oh, my God, this is actually getting wild. Like, the kids were like. One of the kids was coughing and we had to like, drag them out. And it was like so bad that we had to like, drag. Like it was getting too much. And one of the kids, like, so we do. I was like, we have guys, we have to call the cops. We have to call him on his brother. So we called the cops. And then of course, they alerted the fire department and. And the fire department came out and. But we Never said who it was. It wasn't me, but we never said who it was.

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So you are Ride or die.

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Well, I was afraid that I was somehow being criminated because I was also running back and forth trying to put the fire out. And me and my brother were the only black kids in this neighborhood, except this one family that moved from Syracuse around on the other side of the circle. And then my next three neighbors were biracial. It was a biracial couple, a black and white couple.

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I thought it was going to be like Fight Club, and you're going to realize it was you. The whole time, it was you. You started a fire.

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I don't think it was me, but

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you don't think it was you. That means it was you.

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It could have been. I don't. I really don't think I started the fire. Like, I feel like I would still have the guilt with me if I had started that fire. And I was a kid. Who would have ratted myself out. I ratted myself out, but I would never rat anyone else out as a child, anyway. I would tell all y' all niggas today, no kidding.

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You would. You probably would. You kick in. You're that girl,

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Monet.

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You are.

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You grew up with OP Honey, you a pussy.

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You a op. You get shot up by the cops.

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No, you. You know, you a pussy. You get popped. Wait, what is it?

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You a pussy. You a op.

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Oh, shit. No, you a pussy. You get popped.

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I think it's. You're an op.

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No, you a goofy. You a op.

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There it is.

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You a pussy. You get popped. Don't you come around my way. You can't hang around my block.

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Do you remember that video of Cardi B telling the guy to come to the meter?

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Have it. Everyone. Everyone went crazy on me when I accidentally. I accidentally said, arms are heavy. Arms. Arms are sweaty for the eight Mile. I know his palms are sweaty, but for some reason, my mind said, arms are sweaty.

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Oh, you said arms are sweaty. That's what you think it is? Hey, Bob. It's okay to be wrong. I think you have this complex where you don't want to be wrong. It's okay to be wrong about a lyric. It's just a lyric, girl. It's not that deep.

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I think you have this complex where you think you know what I'm talking about. And I think I know better than you do. That's what I think.

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No, I think that you. I think that you made the wrong thing, and now you're trying to act like Oh, I said the wrong thing. It's okay to be wrong, babe. It's okay. You're a human being. You're allowed.

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You don't find it interesting that you think you know me better than I know me? You don't find that interesting?

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No. I never said I know you better than you know yourself.

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I just told you that I wasn't wrong. But I told you that's not what happened.

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But I have very good at discerning things, and I can discern that that's what's happening right now. It's okay. It's okay. I love you very much.

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Well, I will tell you this. This is one of those scenarios where you can say you're wrong. This is an opportunity for you to practice what you preach.

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I practice what I preach.

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You still never admitted you were wrong. You still never admitted that you fully gaslit me about lying about the boots when you fully said that you gave

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us those boots when I came over

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and you have them.

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That's not what happened. And we talked about it a Billie Jean times Vah. We're not gonna rehash the boot thing. That was so long ago.

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What happened?

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Our poor listeners. Our poor listeners cannot bear to.

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Again, Monet. Wow. Flaunting your wealth again.

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Poor listeners.

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Oh, my God.

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You're better than this race.

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You're better than this race. You're better.

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You don't. You don't.

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You don't have to be like this, Monet.

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Not.

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Not to our sweet listeners.

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You interrupted me. I was saying something, and you. You fucked me up, and I don't know what I was saying to you before.

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Ginkgo baloba. Go easy on me, baby.

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What.

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What hotel are you in?

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I'm at.

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This looks like you're in a. This looks like a. It looks like a RV that's floating in the sky. Like, it looks like. It looks so tiny. It looks like you're an RV that's floating in the sky or like a tiny home.

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Bob, I am fully in. This is. I'm doing a virtual reality podcast. This room is completely virtual reality. That window. That's not real,

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Monet.

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It's VR, baby. This is the future. It's the future of podcasting.

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I was born at night, but it wasn't last night, okay?

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Oh, my God. You and your little old lady sayings. I was born at night, but it wasn't last night. Oh, my God. Where were we? We were somewhere. We were in Chicago. We were. Oh, we were in the car. So Bob and I just did Roscoe's in Chicago, and we're in the car going to our hotel. We're in a lot of traffic, and Bob answered the phone, Y'. All. This is oftentimes when something very Bob happens.

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I was talking to Christian. I need to call Christian back. Christian Dante White. I need to call you back, by the way, at some point.

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Who the fuck is that? Oh, that's who you're on the phone with?

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Yeah. He's a. He's an actor and a friend of mine.

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Got it. So anytime something very Bob happens, I feel the need to let him know, because I feel like Bob is. Again, y' all know Bob thinks that he's a straight character. Bob thinks he's the least interesting person in his circle of friends, that Bob thinks that he's just the most normal. Anyway, so we're. And so when Bob has very Bob moments, I forget to point them out to him. So we're in the car, and he answered the phone, and he says, it's so small, but it's just like. It is so Bob. So Bob answered the phone. The first is like, where are you? Bob says, oh, I'm back in town. What did you say? I'm back home.

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I said, I'm back in Chicago.

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The Bobcz. I'm back in Chicago. And I'm guessing the person continue on Bob's. Wait, I don't know why I said that. I'm not from here. Why would I say I'm back in Chicago? I'm saying I'm back in Chicago. Like, I live here. And Bob goes this literally, y'.

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All.

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About a minute and ten seconds of Bob going, saying, it was like a minute.

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It was. It was not a minute. It was literally this, hey, where you at? I'm back. I'm back in Chicago. I don't know why I said back in Chicago. Like, I live. I don't live here. I mean, I. Technically, I am back in Chicago because I have been here before. So, yes, I am technically back in Chicago. And I guess on stage. When you're on stage, you say, it's good to be back in Chicago. But I feel like when you say I'm back somewhere to someone on the phone, it insinuates that you're. That you live there. But to answer your question, I'm in Chicago. That is such.

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That's so funny, because that is such a. You're literally having a full conversation with yourself about you setting the words back in Chicago. I'm like, who is this nigga arguing with on the phone? No one is. I'm sure the person was, like, arguing. Sure. I'm sure Christopher John Jaleel White, whatever his name was, was like, okay, his

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name is Christian Dante White, and you're gonna put some respect on Christian's name. He's a very respected Broadway actor who paved the way for people like you.

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I never said he wasn't. I think you forgot, so you need to remind yourself.

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You said, jaleel, nigga ass white is what you said.

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Well, he should take white out his name, because that's very disconcerting. Anyway, it was just a very bomb moment, and I thought, I feel the need to point those out to you.

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He's not white, by the way. He's. He's fully black African American. I know. I don't know if he's African American, but he's black.

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That's why I said to take that he. To take the white out his name because it's very disconcerting.

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And take the bird out of your name because you're not.

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Did you notice.

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Take. Take the X out of your name.

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You know that everyone is going skiing after we went skiing?

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I've noticed one person go on a skiing trip. I've only seen Shea skiing. I have not noticed. I've not noticed everyone skiing.

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No. We started.

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I have a sneaking suspicion that Shay had that trip planned, because a week after ours.

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Oh, yeah. She had a plan alongside the vest.

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I mean, you know, all the girls. The girl. You know, we're not the first queens

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to do gay ski week. I know. Katya. Katya, Trixie, Ginger Minj, Lady Bunny.

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Yeah, we're the last. We're at the end of the frontier, girl. We're the last ones on the frontier. We are the first. I think we are the first drag queens at the X Games, though.

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We are the first drag queens to do that. And I was looking at some of the footage. It was so fun. It came out really cute. Did you watch any of it?

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I did, yeah. It was very, very fun. And I. And I actually enjoyed myself very much.

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I did. It was a good time. I saw. I saw niggas knucklehucking. It was great.

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Duh, Knucklehook. Also, that woman whose name I can't remember who tied the most medals to the X Games, she went on to. I can't remember her name, but she went on to place gold in the. In the Winter Olympics in Beijing.

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Did you just. Did you. Did you, like, see it? And then you remembered. Oh, we said her name. Or you were like, following her.

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Well, Kennedy was following her, and Kennedy was following her journey. And I was like, oh, wow, that's fierce. But she. It was so the. The. The most medals of all time, the X Game is actually tied between a. A man and a woman. They tie over it. So it's. It's not like some guys got all the medals and it's there, it's fully tied. And I think that. And I think the woman is. I can't remember. One of them is much younger than the other one. So whoever it is is gonna clearly pass the other one.

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Got it. You know, I always think at some point, like, in my life, like, am I missing out? Is there some talent that I'm really good at and I don't know I'm good at? Do you ever think that?

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Have you tried shutting the fuck up?

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You're such a child.

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You might be really good at that. You should try it sometimes.

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You're such a child. You're a child.

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Ew.

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Not that witch laugh.

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I have done a lot with my. I've tried a lot of stuff, so I feel like I haven't left a lot of stones unturned, to be quite frank. But I do wish that. I do wish I could go back and do certain things different because I think that I have ruin my. My chances at certain skills because of, like, damage I've done to my body over time. I think. I think actually could have been a good singer if I would have. If I would have not, like, messed my voice up.

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Things like, really crazy. Like, do you think maybe you could have been, like, a great shot putter or like a great bobsledder or like a fucking speed? I don't know.

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I have a sneaking suspicion that I'd be really good at archery and shooting guns. I just feel like I would be really good at shooting guns.

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I went to go shoot a gun.

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Bob Blue Asthmatic. Go ahead.

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Oh, my God. You are so silly.

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Oh, God.

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It was Monet. It was. I was Monet.

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Moving to Texas.

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I was very scared. I was. I did not like it. I did it. I don't ever need to do it again. I do feel like. I do feel some type of calm, though. Like, if there is, like a zombie apocalypse, I would at least know how to, like, load and shoot a gun.

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But it was hanging out with the Bloods. Were you hanging out with the Bloods or the Crips? The Latin Kings, when you shot your gun.

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Latin Kings.

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Nice.

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Yeah, yeah.

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Where were you shooting a gun? Because I. You and I were just In Chicago and now you're in New York. So you were not shooting a gun in Chicago and you're not shooting a gun in New York City. So where the fuck are you shooting a gun?

[A]

Andy's roommate, Annie, her birthday was a couple days before. Why you. Why you do that face?

[B]

I love Andy, but Andy got you doing some crazy cuckoo. Andy had your ass in the. When I found. Andy had your ass in the woods. I said, this feels like the beginning

[A]

of a movie with.

[B]

With one. With one small white child. And then Andy got you out here shooting guns. This sounds wild. Andy recruiting for Q it on?

[A]

No. So it was. It was her birthday. So for her birthday she just wanted to go like a gun range and like shoot guns. So we went. It was right in Burbank and we went to the shooting range in Burbank and it was like. And we. It was her. It was her, her girlfriend, Andy and myself. And we shot guns. We shot like a.

[B]

Wait, her was there?

[A]

Her like the singer. Her was shooting guns at the gun range.

[B]

Oh my God. Yeah, not you and Squeak.

[A]

So we're shooting guns and we shot like. I don't know what it was called. Like a caliber. I don't fucking know what the name of the gun. And it was.

[B]

The caliber refers to the size of the.45.

[A]

It was a.45 something.

[B]

No, gauge refers to the size of the barrel. Like a so and so gauge refers to the size of the barrel. I think.

[A]

Bitch, I was in. I don't fucking know. Anyway, I shot a gun and it was like. It was like kind of wild. I was like, whoa, this is crazy. Have you ever shot. You never shot a gun?

[B]

Whoopee.

[A]

Loves guns.

[B]

I've never shot in a gun. I've never. I've never held a gun before. No, that's not true. I held a gun one time. I held a rifle one time at my. At my. My roommate's grandparents house in college. My friend Jaime. Shout out Shane. No, Shane was me and Jaime's roommate.

[A]

Got it. So y' all went to the house. Dennis had a gun just out and about.

[B]

No, it was in a gun wreck. We went to his grandparents house all the time. So we would always go there for food. For food and to do laundry like every weekend. Basically. They live like maybe like 30, 40 minutes outside of Columbus, Georgia. And we would go out there to like just hang out and have. It was like a nice big house with a big yard. We'd go there and we also lived on their property in Columbus, so we were Kind of just, like, paying our respects by, like, visiting kind of.

[A]

Well, why. Why y' all keep their guns locked on this? Had the guns out and about. Should key can.

[B]

They were in. They were in a gun case, and we opened the gun case and took them out illegally. Like, y'.

[A]

All. Not illegally y'. All. Like, did y'.

[B]

All.

[A]

Did they know you took the gun out?

[B]

The statute's limitations has wound up, and I will tell you more about it when we get back from the break.

[A]

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[B]

So, yeah, we took the guns out of the case without their permission, and. And we put them back. I never shot them. But then I told you that his other roommate stole the guns and used them in the bank.

[A]

Oh, right, right, right, right, right, right, right. Yeah, not y'.

[B]

All. That was. That was more illegal than what I did.

[A]

Y', all. Y' all on some. On some. Some Kyle Rittenhouse shit. Just taking guns.

[B]

I want to talk to you about something that is happening on Clayton County Twitter. Clayton County Talk.

[A]

What?

[B]

There's a rapper named Omaredda the Great, who I just found out about. Her name's Omareda the Great, and she has this song called, like, I don't know the name of the song, but she's. I call it Not Atlanta because she's talking about how she's, like, talking about what's not Atlanta, and she's like, college park is not Atlanta. Decatur is not Atlanta. Clayco is not Atlanta. Alpharetta is not Atlanta.

[A]

She know what's up.

[B]

Okay. Anyway, there's a term we use Atlanta called itp, which is inside the perimeter, and OTP outside the perimeter, and ITP kids be acting. Be doing. Be doing the most when they talk about Atlanta, Georgia. People from the city of Atlanta love to act. Like, by the way, no. Hate to Amorette. The song's really cute, but I will say this. People from the city of Atlanta act like they do not know what people mean when they say Atlanta. They love to. They love to act like they don't. By the way, if we only allow things that are in the city of Atlanta, we lose the Georgia Dome, we lose the truest stadium, which is where the Braves play. We lose the airport, we lose the Atlanta Motor Speedway, we lose the Atlanta Farmer's Market, we lose a lot of stuff if we only count things that are in the perimeter of Atlanta. So there's a whole. A lot of Clayton county people are on the Internet now being like, girl, you know what we mean when we say Atlanta. You know what we mean when we.

[A]

Clearly, clearly. She doesn't, honey.

[B]

She knows. Amaretta knows. Amaretta knows that the airport's in Atlanta. So you telling me. You telling me the Atlanta airport is not in Atlanta?

[A]

You just. I'm just saying you sound. I don't know what. I don't live there. I'm not from there. But you sound a little salty. You sound a little salty that Amaretta is calling you, calling y' all OTP niggas out, saying y' all otp. OTP niggas know nothing about the ITP niggas. Y' all don't know what the fuck it really Atlanta is. And Amaritta's getting y' all shit together. She's gathering y' all motherfuckers. That's what she's doing, honey.

[B]

Okay, first of all, there's no way people from the city of Atlanta, ITP would ever wage war on people from otp.

[A]

Why?

[B]

Because there are way. There are only. Because there's only. There is less than 500,000 people in the city of Atlanta. There are 520 million. 5,200,000 people in the perimeter, outside the perimeter of Atlanta.

[A]

Let's do some research.

[B]

You don't want to wage war.

[A]

Amaretta, how many people live in Atlanta city?

[B]

Atlanta's like 480,000 people.

[A]

It's actually 400. It's actually 498, honey. So you're skipping out of 80,000 people that's gonna whoop your ass. That's what you fucking wild with.

[B]

I said 480,000. I missed that on 19. You said 18. I apologize. I said 80. Oh, and. But if you. But the metro Atlanta area, it's not like. Now. I was talking about the New York City. What makes you New York City? This is my pick. It's because there are people like, it's kind of New York City. I say it's not quite the same. Because if you're in one of the five boroughs, even if you're in Staten Island, New Yorkers joke, but we all say it is New York City. We joke about it being the worst part of New York City, but it is still New York City. But if you're from any part of the boroughs, Brooklyn, Manhattan, Queens, Staten island or the Bronx, you are from New York City. Now, I will say it does get very dicey. Where Nassau County, Long island girl. Where Queen. Where Queens and Long island now. But everyone who. And I put. They were like, how can you decide if I said, I'm putting you this way. If you take. Okay, we're not talking about New Jersey. If you take the. And people from White Plains trying to say New York City too. If you take the.

[A]

Jay Jay, swear you're from my plains. Go ahead.

[B]

If you take the Metro north or the Long Island Railroad to get to Manhattan, you don't live in New York City.

[A]

That's not true.

[B]

If you are taking the Metro, no one takes the Metro north from 125 people.

[A]

But. But people do take. People do take. The Long Island Railroad from Jamaica to get to 34th street is only three stops. Whether. Whether. If you take the E from Jamaica to get to World Trade center, that's like an hour and a half. But if you take the Metro, the Long Island Railroad from Jamaica to Penn Station is like maybe 25 minutes.

[B]

I know a few people. I know a few people who will take the. The lis. The long L, R, I to get

[A]

L, I, R, R. First of all. First of all, get the acronym right. It's L I R R, not the L, R I.

[B]

The li.

[A]

The. The lure.

[B]

The Long Island Railroad into, like into Woodside or to Penn Station. But I also like people to take the 7 train into. Because the 7 trainers, which goes out. I know it doesn't quite do. It goes out to the bay to Jamaica Bay and goes to seven trainers. I don't.

[A]

With the seven train.

[B]

No, no, sorry. The A goes out to Jamaica Bay, which is. One time I fell asleep on the A or the C or the E. Which One of those trains and because I was on Ozone park, which is the last stop before you go to Jamaica Bay. No, I woke up and I was. You mean. You mean.

[A]

You mean Far Rockaway?

[B]

Far Rockaway. That's it. Would you cross the Jamaica Bay to get it for a walk away or they got a bay out there. I remember waking up. I remember waking up in Far Rock Way and being like. I felt like I was in a different country. It felt great. I was like, I don't know. I did not know. You can be this far from New York City and still be in New York City. This is wild.

[A]

That's far.

[B]

Walk away is wild.

[A]

That's something that. Because, no, because again, I used to take this, take the train. That's how I would go to school like an hour every day. I used to go, I used to get on the first stop, junction on the two and take it all the way to 42nd Street, Times Square, which is about an hour and 10 minutes. I'll do it every day. But when I. But and I would. Because, bitch, I would be tired. I would be like up late at night getting on the train. I had to wake up for school like 6 o' clock in the morning, get on the train. I would sleep every time without fail. I would. My body, your body, when you, your body just wakes up right before, either right before your stop or at your stop, no matter how deep asleep you are. So I've never. It's.

[B]

What is that?

[A]

I want to know what, like the medical for like, what is that? Kind of like, kind of like when you, like when you were a kid, sleep in your parents car. As soon as you pull up to your house, you make 19 stops before that. Once you get to your house, your body's like, we're here. And you wake up.

[B]

Thank you for plugging my show. We are here.

[A]

We're here.

[B]

I have noticed that when you're sleeping on the train late at night, it, it is the, it's the worst sleep of your life because you oftentimes you will wake up in a panic thinking you missed your stop. So it's never like you, oh, 31st Street, 31st Street. Then you fall asleep again and then you're like, oh, 125. Oh my God, I am. But also, are there really people taking the Long island rubber from Jamaica instead of just taking the train? That is so expensive. Yeah, that is so expensive. What y' all don't realize is the Long island railroad charges you by the distance.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And the Met, the MTA is what. Whether you go, whether you go one stop or if you go from South Ferry to the Bronx, it is literally the same price.

[A]

$2.75, honey. Yeah. I mean, but it Beck, Bob.

[B]

When I got there, it was $1.75.

[A]

The E. In my day, that's an hour and a half. From World Trade center to Jamaica, that's an hour and a half. We can get on the LIR be 25 minutes. Like that is crazy. Of course you'll do that.

[B]

Who the fuck is Going to the World Trade center from.

[A]

I mean, I'm saying that's. That if you work at World Trade and you live in Jamaica, Queens,

[B]

like you got a friend. Like you got a friend. Like, you got a friend who work at World Trade one from Jamaica.

[A]

I do. He works at Zara at the World Oculus thing down there.

[B]

Anyway, get a job in your neighborhood. Get a job in your neighborhood.

[A]

And you know what? He's also very old, and he's queer. He's like a. He's like a queer elder nigga.

[B]

Get a job. Get a job at the Queen's Mall.

[A]

Excuse me. I did a great segue, so can you please acknowledge it and let's move on?

[B]

And I was gonna acknowledge it. I wanted to make fun of your friend Monet. How. Okay. Speaking of queer elders, happy belated birthday to Macaroni Exchange, who has just turned the decadent age of 30. Actually, the boar. I think it's a boring age. 32 is not a fun age. There's nothing exciting about 32.

[A]

What's exciting about 31 or 33?

[B]

Nothing and nothing. And 34, also nothing, by the way. I'm telling you what. I'm telling you what's. What's. What's ahead of you.

[A]

As you know, as we have often said on this podcast, I'm not a big birthday person. Like, I'm not like, oh, it's my 32nd. I want to do this. Oh, 33 is my Jesus year. I really don't. I could really care less about birthdays, but I will say Bob made my birthday very special. Bob and Patty made my birthday very special. Was very sweet, and I'm very grateful for everything you did for my birthday. It made me very emotional. I was like. I was almost gonna cry, but I fought back the urge to cry.

[B]

I realized that we did not take any pictures that day.

[A]

You and I didn't.

[B]

Not one.

[A]

Yeah, they did, Sean.

[B]

Rocco's.

[A]

Rocco's. Roscoe took the most hideous picture of us.

[B]

Picture Peepshirt. There was. There was one moment where there was a picture. Monet was like, well, I was doing a picture, but I was doing my lips. And Monet was like, we'll just do it without you. And then we just never took the picture.

[A]

No, that's not verbatim what you said. That's not what happened.

[B]

Oh, verbatim.

[A]

Okay, let me tell you. Oh, my God. Oh, my God. Oh, my God. Okay, so let me tell you what happened. We were. We were putting our final touches, like, lipstick and stuff. To go on. And then I, like, opened my iPhone. I mean, your Instagram camera. And there's a thing. You can do a layout picture. You can do, like, four different pictures. And I was gagging. So we're taking one last picture. And then you were rehearsing your song with Laila.

[B]

I was putting my lipstick. Because Layla was in the picture. I was putting my lipstick. And Monae was like, no, baby, it was me. Was like, bob, come for.

[A]

It was me.

[B]

Well, I don't know who's in the picture, but I know who wasn't. I know who wasn't in the picture.

[A]

It was me, Kennedy and Patty. And then you were over there. You had your phone in your hair like this. And I was like, oh, he gonna be.

[B]

And my lipstick.

[A]

And your lipstick.

[B]

And I literally said. I said, wait one second. Everyone says, we'll just do it without you. And I was like, all right.

[A]

Well, we ended up.

[B]

Did you not say that? Did you not say that?

[A]

I don't think that's what I said. But I don't want to change. I don't want to change that experience from you. So if that's what you said. I said, I believe you. Because I believe you.

[B]

If. If you thought you didn't say it, you know, you'd be like, I did not say that. You know, you say that. You trying to soften it up anyway, old ass.

[A]

I was giving you a compliment. Bobby. My birthday, very special. He got me, like, cupcakes. And Bob and Caddy put together this, like, this compilation of all my friends. Tell me happy birthday. And was very sweet. I'm gonna put on my Instagram because Patty's. He might. He's doing, like, a edit of it. So, like, whatever. So I'm gonna put on my Instagram. It was very sweet.

[B]

I sent you an edit. I sent you. I sent you the full one with every single one. Did you watch it?

[A]

Yeah, yeah, I watched it. I watched it. But Patty's on, like, another one. He, like. He, like, cut paste. I saw it. Yeah, I'm gonna post that one.

[B]

Patty and I had a whole conversation about it. Cause we started getting all these videos, and Patty got most of the family members and I got the Drag Race girls. By the way, should we talk about the girls who said they were sitting in videos and didn't.

[A]

Oh, tell me. Let's say their names.

[B]

Say their names. Should we talk about the girls who said they said in the videos and did not? Yes, tell me. Who.

[A]

Tell me.

[B]

Okay. Should we really? Is that messy?

[A]

Yeah. I don't think it's messy. Girl. It's a birthday thing.

[B]

I don't think that's messy. I don't.

[A]

I don't think it's messy. I don't think that's messy.

[B]

Okay, Dick was not messy.

[A]

All right.

[B]

I called Trixie about sending a video and she didn't.

[A]

But. Yeah, but yet I brought my black ass to your little. Your little whack ass motel opening. Were you guys sending my video work?

[B]

Okay, I mean, you obviously, you did drive. You did drive three hours to go look at.

[A]

To go to her hotel.

[B]

And anyway, and then. Wait, is that. Is it announced that we went to the opening?

[A]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, Trixie posted that she's having. Or someone. Whatever. Yeah, yeah.

[B]

And then Violet kept saying she would do it, but didn't do it.

[A]

Oh, because she was too busy. Too busy walking. Walking her little dog in her little fashion show. That's why she gets in the video. Okay, okay, go ahead.

[B]

And I told her when I said, guys, just do 30 seconds. It doesn't have to be just like on the go. It can be anything. And okay, the last girl has a very good reason why she couldn't do it. In her defense, Michelle Visage said she was going to send one, but she was. She had literally like, just like. She was like in like. She was like a time zones away and she was in like Singapore and it was like three in the morning and she was like, I will try my bit. But she did. But. But she had a really, really good excuse. But the other girls, I. They had like two days.

[A]

And what was. And what was.

[B]

Trixie. Trixie might have had 24 hours.

[A]

What was, what was Rue's excuse? Because I haven't seen his video either. What. What did Rue say?

[B]

To be honest, I asked Ruin. She literally said Moneju. So I. I think that, that, that, that summed up what that was about.

[A]

Wow. Okay, work. I'm. I'm gonna call that bitch, I think.

[B]

Was there anyone else that we asked, you know, who said there is? Now let's talk about who sent. There is immediately and without haste. Brooklyn Heights. I had to wait barely a second for Crystal Method right the fuck away. Yeah, Pixie Aventura. Right away. Who else? Sent one right away. DJ 2 Face. Right away. How about Andy? Andy? Well, Andy's was received through Patty, but how is Andy feeling about his mini viral moment about his video that we played at. So you want to describe it or you want me to describe it?

[A]

So the last video in this Lovely sly compilation. People rich me out here for other is Andy, and he is on his bed, hog tied, in little underwear and a big black dildo on the pillow next to his head. And I was mortified.

[B]

And he said, hey, babe, I'm right where you left me. Thank you for leaving out some snacks and the lube that I love. And Patty called and said, andy, just so you know, we're gonna be showing this at Roscoe's. And he was like, I know. And then I got the video, and then I edited it together. And I said, andy, just so you know, this is being Rothfield. He was like, bitch, I know. And we said, all right, Ms. Thing. It do take nerve, honey.

[A]

It do take nerve. Andy is very nutty. Andy, Andy. Andy is very. He's very much like you. He would do anything for a bit. He likes a bit. He's very funny. He looks a sober thing.

[B]

Oh, my God. That's not how that works. How do you feel about getting older? Oh, my God.

[A]

Why do you. Why are you so. Why do you hate when I talk about sober stuff?

[B]

Well, because the topic is not sobriety. The topic is, how do you feel about getting older, bitch?

[A]

Okay, let's make a sobriety. Do you want me to be sober? Are you trying to make me get sober? Is that what you're trying to do?

[B]

You bring up sobriety. I do not bring up sobriety. You keep bringing up sobriety. I don't be bringing up sobriety. It's called anonymous, Monet. Damn, nigga.

[A]

I don't mind getting older. I'm not one of those people who is like, oh, my God, I'm on. I really. I, I, I, I. I'm enjoying my life. I'm. Yes, I'm getting older. Do I feel older or do I feel rigged and crickety? Every parts of my body, like, I will say, over the past, like, two years, my knees have definitely feel a little more sensitive than they used to. And also, why do you think your niece is.

[B]

Why do you think your niece is more sensitive now? Is she going through something? Why is your niece more sensitive? Is it something you said? We'll talk about after the break.

[A]

Oh, my God.

[B]

All right, we're back with Check in with her niece. How is she?

[A]

I think it's because I've been doing, like, over the past few years, I've been doing, like, a lot more like, what you call it, squats and stuff, like, really heavy lifting. And I think the weightlifting is real. I think it's really making me miss on my Knees. I need to start wearing a brace or something because I don't want to be. My biggest fear is when I'm going to be doing that shit. My shit's gonna pop and I'm gonna gag, but my body feels great.

[B]

You know what's really bad for your knees is a lot of cardio. Not all cardio, but running, jogging, walking, stairs, all bad for your knees. Elliptical is low impact.

[A]

What cardio do you do?

[B]

You can do the elliptical and you can do biking, but I think biking is a little bad for your knees, too. But elliptical is low impact work. Elliptical and biking are both low impact.

[A]

How do you feel about getting older?

[B]

Well, you know, I gotta be honest. Like, 32 doesn't really feel much older, and I don't feel older than I used to feel. But whenever I look at myself in pictures, I do look older. And I think 35 is around the age when I started being like, oh, my God, I am. Like, I would see old pictures of myself from not even that long ago, from like five years ago, and I'd be like, I look. I just look older than I did when I was 29 or when I was 30. I know, and it is a little bit. It is a little bit concerning, if I'm being honest. You know, I can see myself, Myself shifting into my uncles, and I always thought that I would always look younger than my uncles. But then I think to myself, when my uncle. My uncles used to look young, when they were young, and then they ended up looking the way they look, you know? Yeah, but I am slowly becoming Uncle Steve.

[A]

But you meet someone, you meet some people who age and yes, like, they are anomalies. Like, for example, Angela Bassett, the head. Does Angela Bassett look older? Honestly, I saw the video of her on Watch what Happens Live. I'm like, this is the same that was in what. What's. What's Love Got To Do With It? And she does not look that much different than that. Like, what year was what? Love Got to do is what, 94,

[B]

probably. I have a sneaking suspicion that Ms. Angela Bassett is also getting a little bit of help from people who are trained in making you look younger. This is not confirmed, but I have a sneaking suspicion.

[A]

Well, let me tell you something. What's Love Got to do came out in 93, and it is now 2022. Angela Bassett, look at this side by side. She looks up for.

[B]

It's almost 30 years ago, it's 29 years ago.

[A]

And I mean, that is aging beautifully. Because she does not. It doesn't look like she had 30 years. It looked like maybe a year or two. It does. It's. It's. It's really impressive, honestly.

[B]

When you were younger, did you want to date older guys?

[A]

Yes. I've always been attracted to older guys because I've always been someone. I don't know if you experienced this. I've always been someone. Say that. People always told me, like, I was really mature for my age. And I always. Always had, like, kind of always hung out with older kids. Like, when I was a younger kid, I was always hanging out with people who were six and seven years older than me. I just felt more comradery with people who are older than me. So I've always wanted to date older, too. Something about dating younger than me or someone the same age as me. I was like, ugh, I can't. I just feel like I never vibrated on the same wavelength of people the same age as me or younger. Did you like dating older?

[B]

Interesting.

[A]

Why do you. Do you not get that from me?

[B]

Why is that interesting? Yeah, I don't. I don't necessarily agree with. I can't say that for you, but I think that maybe in terms of dating, but I think that you do vibe with people your age and younger. You hang out with plastique. You hang out with them romantically. Romantically. Oh, I thought. Because at one point you were, like, saying, like, hanging out. I thought you meant, like, also, like, for fun and stuff, too.

[A]

Well, I was going to. Dating. Like, I never intended romantically. Yeah.

[B]

I've only ever dated two people. But, I mean, that's not true. I've. I've dated, but I only have two boyfriends. But most of my other. The guys that I was dating were roughly my age. And in. Ezra and Jacob are younger than. And I am. But the other one. I did actually date this one guy for a while when I was first in New York City who was like, he's probably. I think it was like, 54, and I was 22 years old. It was just. It was literally just a guy that I met. Like, just a guy. Like, I don't even remember his name, but I do remember meeting his son, and I remember being closer in age to his son than I was to him.

[A]

Do you remember that? I don't want to say their name to Danae T. But that.

[B]

Say their names.

[A]

No, because you don't be saying names these days. You always be like, Monet.

[B]

Monet. And I was. You say their tea, and I'll say their names. Go ahead. No, Bob.

[A]

I'm not. I'm not saying it then because then you. Because I don't get it.

[B]

I'm not gonna say it. I'm not gonna say it because you

[A]

do the weird thing you were like, is this shirt couture. Monet, don't be a pussy. You do shit like that.

[B]

All right, I promise I won't do it.

[A]

I promise. Well, I'm gonna say the name, but bleep it out.

[B]

Well, girl, well, we gotta talk about. Cause, Jay, the bleeps ain't been bleeping.

[A]

No, no, no, no, no, that's not true. We left it in for Patreon, for the Patreons. But the general public didn't get it. That's what it was. They were dating that their boss, their. Their crazy boyfriend. Remember? And he used to come to a lot of.

[B]

Oh, my God. Okay. You threw out crazy. You threw out crazy. I mean, I didn't know them like that.

[A]

I mean, that's what people used to say. I mean, I don't. I didn't know them like that either, but that's what people used to say. I was like, oh, I didn't know about this anyway. But the.

[B]

He was a little. He was a little annoying.

[A]

I'm not going to lie.

[B]

He was a little annoying.

[A]

But they were together for a long time, and his boyfriend fully had a child that was almost the same age as the queen, and they were together for a long time. Imagine having a step kid the same age as you. That's so wild to me.

[B]

Well, my father. I have a young brother that I never met, but I'm older than his mom.

[A]

Whoa. You're older brother than the younger brother's mother?

[B]

Yes.

[A]

Whoa, that's interesting.

[B]

So he's like, my brother and my mom are roughly the same age, but my brother's older than my mom. Imagine if your brother was older than your mom.

[A]

That's wild.

[B]

Is giving that. Yeah.

[A]

Since you have younger boyfriends, do you ever feel like you're like the old crickety boyfriend, you know what I mean? Because Ezra is. Ezra. Ezra is what, like 10 years younger than you?

[B]

This was nine years younger than I am.

[A]

Nine. Work.

[B]

Ezra is. I'm 30. Ezra's 26. And Jacob has just turned 28. 29. Jacob's been lying up. Jacob has did a bit about his age, and I don't know how old he is because he did a bit for like two years. So I genuinely don't know how old he is now. How old are you, Jacob? I'm 29. Jacob's 29. He did a bit. He told. He told me that he was 29 when he turned 28. Or I said it. He was like. But he played long, which is lying by omission. So Jacob did a bit about his age for, like, two years, and I thought it was his age. Then one day he was like, actually, Ellen, that's not true. Ask your producers. Ask anyone here. I've been 28 this whole time, so I don't know how old this nigga is.

[A]

I mean, every time for like, the past couple episodes. Past couple episodes of podcast, like, you're like, I don't know. We started dating five months. Yeah. More and more, your relationship gets so confusing to me. It's so funny.

[B]

Well, the dating part, we're both kind of a little muddy on it, though. We have a good timestamp. But Jacob's age was a bit that he did on me that effectively worked. And now I don't know how old he is because he did a bit on me. So for the record, I have. I have it recorded. Jacob is 29 in the month. In the year 2022, in the month of February. By the way, it was Jacob's birthday too. Did you even say. Did you even bother to have a birthday to Jacob yesterday?

[A]

I did not. Happy belated birthday.

[B]

Yikes. Happy belated birthday.

[A]

Yeah. How about you ask your motherfucking boyfriend visited happy birthday to me. How about that? Ask your fucking boyfriend what he said to me.

[B]

Jacob has ears, and you can talk to Jacob.

[A]

No, but you accosted me, so accosted boyfriend the same way. How about that? Give that the same energy that you're giving me. How about that? All right. Anyway, have you. Okay, here's a. Here's something I've. I hate also.

[B]

If we're gonna give you energy, give Lady Bunny the energy you give me. Let's. Let's talk about that in the comments. Talk about queer elders that old. Be really acting wild on y'.

[A]

All.

[B]

I gave. I gave y' all's podcast a little listen of the day, and I said, who is this patient, benevolent, kind queen, cuz? I never met her. I never met her.

[A]

That's what. What I find is that I. I give my co host the same energy they give me. So Bunny gives me grace. I give her grace, and we chat too. Yo ass. You.

[B]

Can someone do a supercut of Lady Bunny giving no grace whatsoever? Honey,

[A]

Bunny is a gay. I don't have. Do you. Okay, sorry. Oh, this is what I was saying. I don't mean to bring it back to sobriety. I'm not trying to do that. I'm not trying to do that. But with people in the program, obviously sponsors are a thing. I do notice a lot of. Not a lot, but, but some of my friends have older sponsors. They like that dynamic. Do you have a lot of older queer elder friends?

[B]

I do have lots of queer friends who are older than me, but not older.

[A]

See? Not older. Elder. I feel like elder. How do we find an elder? I feel like elder is someone over 60. That's like an elder to me.

[B]

I think it depends on. I think it depends on what you're talking about. I think when it comes to drag elders, the age is really based on how long they've been doing drag, which can have, obviously, a direct correlation to their age as well. But people like Peppermint. Peppermint is not much older than I am. But Pep has been doing drag since the 90s, and that started in the 2000s.

[A]

I wouldn't call Peppermint an elder.

[B]

Well, are you gonna let me finish my thing before you jump in? And so being some being that Pep has over a decade of drag knowledge and experience, I think she's a drag elder in that regard. She's not an old person. We're, we're, we're probably like, a few years apart, less than. We're less than 10 years apart in real life. But in terms of drag experience, her. Bianca Del Rio, Sherry Vine. Now, Sherry and Bianca are, are considerably older than, Than Peppermint is not considerably. That was shady. Pep and Pep. Sherry and Bianca are older than Pep. Pep is like a few years older than me. And Bianca Del Rio and Sherry vine are over 50.

[A]

Bianca's over 50. No.

[B]

Yeah, Bianca's. I think Bianca's. I think Bianca's over 50.

[A]

Hey, I want to say 48.

[B]

How old is Bianca de Rio?

[A]

Roy Haylock? 46.

[B]

46. Well, shoot.

[A]

Bianca is substantially older than Peppermint. I mean, she is bravely older than

[B]

Bianca is in her early 80s. Yeah. Excuse me. I, I, I stand corrected. I thought that she said she was 50. I guess I was wrong. I thought she said she was 50. But Sherry's over 50. Jesse's over 50. And I also want to say that I think that a part of queer elders, especially trans elders, being younger than straight elders is the fact that a lot of people from those generations, older people, were not able to make it because of violence, because of the AIDS epidemic, because of stuff like that. So to be a queer elder, I think the Age is significantly younger because of. Of the. Because of things like that.

[A]

Oh, my God. Willem is 39 years old. Okay. With 39. Oh, my God. I saw 39, I was thinking. But also, that's a little shocking.

[B]

I don't know.

[A]

Willem is 30. That is wild.

[B]

I can't tell Wild. How is that wildly young or that wildly old? Willem is older than me.

[A]

Yeah, I thought. But I thought. I thought Willem was, like, 36, 35. You and Willem were, like, the same age.

[B]

That's interesting. I mean, we're roughly the same. Four years is not that much time.

[A]

It is, bitch. You just said queer elders be old as hell at 32 years old. So which one is it? Is it not a lot of time? Is it a lot of time?

[B]

Okay, again, I want to reiterate that I was talking about experience in Dragon. I'm talking about those kind of things. And then I do think that queer elders do start younger, but it's not 39. Monet. Willam did not live through the AIDS epidemic.

[A]

But I will say this also, but Willem has. Willam has a lot of years in drag. Willam.

[B]

Correct me if I'm wrong.

[A]

Willam has been doing drag for a long time. Maybe not as much as Bianca, but I think maybe, like, as long as Peppermint. So is Willam McQueer Elder?

[B]

I. I don't. I don't. Willam is definitely a drag elder. I actually think Willam is a drag elder for sure. And I think that. I don't know how long Will. I think Will have been doing drag longer than I have, 100%. I mean, I started Drag Race. I started drag because of Drag Race. So I literally started during season one because I love Drag Race so much, and Willem was definitely doing drag before that. And I think that there's, like, the elder elders. I mean, a lot of them have passed away. There's people like. There's people like Flawless Sabrina, who passed a couple years ago, and that kind of stuff. But then you have people like Sweetie and Flawless Sabrina.

[A]

Why do I know that?

[B]

Sabrina was in the movie the Queen. She's the one who. Who's yelling at Crystal labeij. She goes off stage now. You hear me, Crystal? Yeah. Y' all showing your colors here now. You hear me? I went down and got Mr. Warhol here now you're really showing your true colors here. Talking like she's holding the tummy gun. She passed away. Like, I think in. I think it was 2018, maybe right before the. The. The. The Panda Express. And you know, there's also people like Flotilla DeBarge, Jackie Beat, Linda Simpson, Varla Jean Merman, you know, Mona Foote, rest in peace as well, Lady Bunny. But then you have even, like. And I think Candace Kane. Candace Kane. And I think the reason why drag elders can be so young, like in their 40s, is because on top of that, like, drag is something that people. Some people. Most people, you know this from looking at all the queens who did drag when you started. You just stop after a while. A lot of people just stop. They just stop doing drag after a

[A]

while and a lot because your bodies are fucked up.

[B]

A lot of people I was naming also from the drag boom in the 90s, and a lot of them were documented. And I feel like before that, these queens were not documented in film and television and stuff like that. But, you know, Coco Peru and Flotilla and all these queens were, you know, Mistress Formica were all documented doing drag. So they have just kind of been put into the history book. Yeah, Yeah. I don't know if Amanda Lepore ever considered herself a drag queen, but she's a queer elder.

[A]

Oh, for sure.

[B]

They've been. They've been. They've been etched into the. The queer history books because of their documentation. I think about all the people who have not been, who didn't get documented, who were just like. Who were every bit as. Every bit as on the scene as Lady Bunny, but just didn't get the camera pointed at them.

[A]

I really. I really admire a lot of people to. If you can. If you like. Honestly, it's a great coffee table book. Something you could just have is Linda Simpson's the Drag Explosion. I believe the title. It really. There are so many pictures. And you, like, see all these old pictures of Ru. Pictures of Bunny, pictures of all these, like, drag queens just up in these clubs at fucking Limelight, at all these clubs in New York City. It's so crazy. If you want a nice coffee table book, look up Linda Simpson's the Drag Explosion and buy it. It's really nice. It's really great.

[B]

I've had a vision about a movie for a while now, but I just don't think that she would ever actually give an interview. So the book can be good, but I would love to watch a Lady Bunny documentary or not documentary. Lady Bunny, like, docu pic about, like, she's just even a docu pic, even to people. Docu pic. Like a. Like a biopic. I mean. Sorry, a biopic?

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Like, even people who know Lady Bunny, she's still kind of Mysterious.

[A]

Oh, for sure.

[B]

You know what I mean? Like, who. Who has. Who has been to Lady Bunny's house? Who?

[A]

I've seen it a lot. I've seen it a lot, but in video.

[B]

Cause y' all video together. But, like, who's been in her home?

[A]

I don't know. Her. Her johns.

[B]

Like, and many of us. And many of us, like, rare. Unless you tour with her, you won't see her out of drag. But, you know, there's some interesting shit. I mean, this bitch was fucking living in Africa with her hippie parents.

[A]

Yeah. Her little quicker going to quicker school.

[B]

So what is up with this weird, like, effeminate, like, gender fluid, hilarious kid who is like a interesting part of counterculture, but is like a constant face on the drag. On the drag scene since the early 90s. And imagine if there was a documentary, a biopic called Funny Bunny, and it's like, imagine it's like. It's, like, funny, but it's also, like, dramatic, and it has all of her ups and downs. Who's playing Lady Bunny in the biopic? Funny Bunny?

[A]

Who is Leslie Jordan.

[B]

Leslie Jordan. But we got to do Young Bunny. I honestly. I'm gonna say right now that's Young Bunny girl. Trixie. Trixie's playing Lady. Trixie's playing Lady Bunny.

[A]

She is.

[B]

It's gonna be Trixie.

[A]

No, no.

[B]

Who do you think it is? Jacob? Yeah, it's Trixie.

[A]

It's Trixie.

[B]

I think Trixie would actually do a good. Trixie has a theater degree. Trixie can sing. Trixie can last as well as Lady Bunny can.

[A]

I see a lot.

[B]

And I think that she would actually allow skinny ass. Lady Bone was only skinny for three years.

[A]

No, that's not true. If you look at Linna's, Lady Bunny

[B]

was being a little facetious.

[A]

Lady Bunny was skinny up until about 2002. So that's like a. I mean, oh, my God. Not Alaska playing Young Bunny. Trixie playing.

[B]

Not me.

[A]

Not me.

[B]

Inadvertently calling Trixie not skinny. I think Trixie. I think Trixie is going to play Lady Bunny in the Lady Bunny bio. That's going to be Trixie's Oscar for being Lady Bunny and Funny Bunny. Trixie Mattel is Funny Bunny. And the video at the very end, it just goes, girl,

[A]

I see Alaska. I don't know y' all vote. Do y' all see? Who do y' all think should play Bunny in the movie? Is it Trixie or is it Alaska? I say Alaska. I think Alaska would be so fucking good.

[B]

Who's playing Rupaul? In the biopic. I know I have my answer, and if you want me to go so you can think of yours.

[A]

No, let's say it on three.

[B]

Oh, we're not saying the same answer. There's no way we're saying the same answer at all. Not possible.

[A]

Okay, let's do it then.

[B]

Also, mine is in the musical. Mine is in the musical about her life.

[A]

Okay, you see, now you change the thing first with the biopic. Now it's a musical. Then you're gonna say it's.

[B]

What are we doing? Biopics can be musicals.

[A]

But that's. But that's different casting. You cast differently for doing. If you're doing a bi.

[B]

Elton John. Elton John's musical movie was a musical.

[A]

You're casting differently if you are casting someone who's also going to sing, and you know that. So. Actually, I try to find act brand new.

[B]

Well, if you're going to be. Do. If you're gonna do RuPaul's life, you're gonna have to sing. It's like. It's like. It's like. I mean, now you don't have. I mean, obviously, back in the day, they used to do it like, Angela Bassett didn't actually sing, right? Tina Turner sing her own songs. But I think that in this biopic, nowadays, people sing. So I'm saying they're gonna have to have someone single.

[A]

Okay?

[B]

It's gonna be a musical, and for me, it's gonna be. We say it on three.

[A]

One. Okay, thank you. Wait, wait, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on.

[B]

Oh, my God,

[A]

Bob.

[B]

You literally gave me all you.

[A]

You, Danny, now you laid out the whole. Now you laid out the whole casting, and then you're like, okay, Monet, go now. Give me a second.

[B]

Okay, it is gonna be a musical because RuPaul has a lot of music.

[A]

Music.

[B]

A big part of her career, and they have to play young RuPaul up until. I'm gonna say, in my mind, the movie stops on the first episode of Drag Race season one. That's when the movie stops. Because it's like. No, because we all know that's where we all pick up. That's where we all pick up.

[A]

No, but. No, no, no, no, no. It has to go into Drag Race. Cause we want explanation behind some of the iconic moments of Drag Race. I think, like, for example, I want to know what happened the day RuPaul walked in season nine and those first two episodes and the episodes people talk about, like, oh, my God, what happened that day? Like, I think little things like that. And also I think some of the.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Anyway. Okay. But we can. We can. We can stop it.

[B]

But let's think about it, because, you know, what's love got to do with it? Stop. Stopped before. Stopped pretty much right when Tina Turner got away from Ike Turner.

[A]

Right.

[B]

I guess they remind me. They were like. And now we all know. Like, we. We get it now. So, you know, it goes to a certain point. I think there. I think there is. And. And same with Elton John. Rocket Man. Rocket Man.

[A]

I didn't see it.

[B]

Rocky, man. They don't. They. They kind of. A lot of the movies kind of go right up into the point where they're a mega, mega famous. And then it's like, you get it from here. That's what a lot of the movies do.

[A]

I mean, I can't think of any other movies.

[B]

The last scene on the. The last scene in the movie is RuPaul putting on her lipstick and she's, like, really nervous about this new show. She don't know. She doesn't know if it's gonna be big. And then she walks onto the main stage, and then she goes, start your engines. And made the best woman win. Then her hand goes up and it. Freeze frames, and then the credits roll.

[A]

That could be cute. I can't think of where I want to do it.

[B]

Do you want me to just go ahead and say mine?

[A]

I know who you're going to say now. Who? Crystal Demure.

[B]

Crystal Demure. Who is Jo G. Harrison, who played Lola in Kinky Boots on Broadway when it closed and also at the Kennedy center on tour. I think that I can see that a lot of you all may not know Kristen, but I think she is going to be the RuPaul in this movie.

[A]

She's in. She's. She's in. Oh, they know her. If you're watching Raising Dion on Netflix, she's in Raising Dion on Netflix. Her. Her name is. Her name is. Yeah. To drag Jay Harrison. Jay Harrison on Raising G. Harrison. Yeah. Yeah.

[B]

So. So Krista Demure. But okay, so in the RuPaul biopic, what's it called? Supermodel.

[A]

Superstition.

[B]

In the RuPaul biopic, Supermodel, Trixie Mattel is Lady Bunny. J.G. harrison is RuPaul Alaska.

[A]

Alaska's Lady Bunny.

[B]

Who's Michelle Visage?

[A]

Ooh, we got casting. A sword. Casting as far be so hard you

[B]

have a microphone speaking to it. Jacob. Lady Gaga. Monet thinks. Jacob thinks Lady Gaga. I studied voguing for a year Now, I think that it's actually, in an odd twist of fate, it's actually Leah Remini. Leah Remini is playing Michelle Visage.

[A]

No, no, no, no, no, no, no. Because you're going up until Drag Race, first of all, and then. So you want young, young, young Michelle. It can't be Leah Remini.

[B]

Drag Leah Remini. Oh, my God. Oh, my God.

[A]

You are such a firestarter. You're such a pyro.

[B]

Okay, Leah. Okay. Who's playing Michelle? You know, it's. It's one of those new girls who. I don't know, it's like Olivia Rodrigo, the body. It's one of those.

[A]

I don't know, a no name. Yeah. Oh, I know.

[B]

Maybe Charlie. Charlie d'.

[A]

Amelio.

[B]

Is she okay? This is wild. This is wild. Who's playing. Okay, let's keep casting. This is fun. I'm enjoying this. Who's playing Matthew Anderson?

[A]

Oh, Matthew Anderson. I feel like I don't know enough people. I can't think.

[B]

I mean, maybe this is a role for, like, Willem. What if Jonathan Van Ness. Bruh.

[A]

My name.

[B]

Miss Fame. Miss Kim's Fame act.

[A]

Who.

[B]

That's not. That's. That is actually Matthew Anderson. That's not Miss Fame as Matthew Anderson. That's. That's Matthew Anderson as Matthew Anderson. So you don't know. Matthew Anderson was RuPaul's makeup artist up until season nine, where. Where he had to step down for health reasons.

[A]

Yeah. And then Raven took over. Who's playing Raven? Raven.

[B]

Raven's not in the movie. She doesn't make it.

[A]

All right. Rave is not in the movie. Oh, my God.

[B]

We have to cast.

[A]

We have to cast Nelson Sullivan. We have to cast Fenton and Randy. I know. Baron.

[B]

Oh, you know. Well, okay. One of the biggest parts of the movie, you know, is going to be okay. Maybe I should write this fucking movie. They should give me my money, you know? One of the biggest parts of the movie is going to have to be RuPaul versus Milton Berle. I don't know if you all know this. If in RuPaul's first book, letting it all hang out. This is a huge part. RuPaul basically had her verse. Her first ever villain arc when she fought with Milton Berle at the MTV Awards. I don't remember that because Milton Burrow was a Borscht Belt comedian. He's like one of those, like, kind of like, not as mean as Don Rickles, but not as nice as, you know, someone very nice. I don't. I can't think of anyone compared to. But he was kind of like. He's kind of like a. Hey, you poor. I. We're the ones with money. Yuck. Yuck. You kind of like that. So Milton Burrow used to have a show where he did drag on the show. Kind of like Flip Wilson, a straight guy who did drag. He had, like, a drag character, and he was back with RuPaul kind of. But it was a variety show. It was a variety show instead. Philip Wilson is a better example. He was like a white, Jewish Flip Wilson. So Milton Burrow was. Was presenting with RuPaul for best dress. And a lot of the jokes, RuPaul felt they were hacky. They felt like a. Like a. Like a. Like a. Like A. Like RuPaul was the joke instead of, like, them having jokes together. And then RuPaul was. RuPaul felt disrespected by Milton Burrow backstage because Milton, bro, was being, like, a little handsy and stuff, apparently. And then they got on stage, and RuPaul went off script and started reading. Milton Berle, like, started reading because one of the lines was, milton Berl goes, you know, I used to wear. I used to wear gowns. And then the line was supposed to be, why did you give it up? And then Milton Burrow goes, because it's a drag. But instead, Milton Berle said, you know, I used to wear gowns. Then RuPaul said, oh, that's interesting. You used to wear gowns, and now you wear diapers. And the crowd went like. And then you could see Milton Berle's face change. Milton Burrow was like, oh, my God, this bitch is coming for me. So Milton Berle started roasting her back. Milton Berle was like, all right, you want to fucking go? You want to. You want to ad lib? You want to ad lib? Why don't I check my brains and we'll start even? And then everyone's like, oh, it was. Came this whole back and forth. Then RuPaul was like, oh, yeah, you got it, Milty. Oh, yes. Like, they were, like, basically arguing on stage together. And then RuPaul had this really, like, what's. What I'm looking for, like, manic press interview afterwards where she was, like, sweating, like, the late, great Whitney Houston girl. I want to say she was, like, doing this, like, weird press thing where she was, like, going on it was wild. And then she became kind of, like, the villain. And that as, like, the beginning of her downfall.

[A]

Well, you know, RuPaul. RuPaul believes heavily in the pendulum swinging both ways. Like, RuPaul believes, like, once you. Like once a pendulum swings one way, like, and you have, like, a really big moment. He was like, it has to balance itself out and go the other way, and it goes the opposite direction. Like, RuPaul believes that through and through. I wish I learned about him. Anyway. Have you ever seen RuPaul versus Joy Behar,

[B]

bitch? Yes.

[A]

Okay. Well, I was gonna play.

[B]

Absolutely. It's so good when. When RuPaul enjoyed. I got It. You called me ugly or tacky. What was the one? You know, when you talked my girl? I was saying, Joy looked like I was not dogging her.

[A]

This was better. I love this guy, by the way.

[B]

You know, when you dog my girl? I was saying, Joy look like dogging her ass. I was just telling. Like, I was just telling it like a text. I is okay.

[A]

Excuse me.

[B]

You call me Butch, honey. But, honey.

[A]

Butch, you're a. Look at Ms. Behar now. Cause that's glamorous.

[B]

Well, you know what I have to say when I saw her backstage, I have to say that they did fem her up. I love the haircut.

[A]

Doesn't the hair look great?

[B]

The hair looks great, and you're wearing

[A]

nice, Nice colors and stuff. But the slacks, you know, she looks fabulous.

[B]

Do you think that I'm gonna take

[A]

fashion advice from a dream drag queen? Honey, you better take. Listen, Joy, you better take it from somebody

[B]

that is.

[A]

You better take it from that.

[B]

Honestly, that's a great read.

[A]

It is.

[B]

Joy Behar walking to that. Like a cobweb to the face.

[A]

You know, you like.

[B]

Oh, my God.

[A]

I see this. Oh,

[B]

well, you better. You better take.

[A]

You better somebody.

[B]

That's great. Oh, my God. That is. I mean, it is. It is a little rude to go backstage and comment on someone's appearance. But I also don't know if they asked her. Maybe they were like, how do I look? And she was like, well, here's the truth. I don't know the full backstory, but, yeah, I know about Joy. Joy versus RuPaul, honey. That is epic and legendary. Honey.

[A]

Talk about an elder. Do you know Joy's almost 80 years old? Isn't that crazy? She looks so good for her age.

[B]

I do. I know she. I know her age because I did an event with her, and she kept reminding me her age and kept saying, I'm very old. I am 78 years old. I want to go home. I want to go home. Because this comedian named. What was her name? Judy.

[A]

Judy.

[B]

I think it was. It might have been Judy Gold. But I could be wrong. There. There's. There are these two Jewish lesbian comedians who are both very tall, and their names are both, like, something Gold. No, there's Julie Gold. There's Julie Goldman and Judy Gold. And I can't remember which one was on stage, but she was going longer than Joy Behar wanted her to go. And Joy Behar, she goes, bob, who's hosting this show? You or Judy? It was Judy. Is it you or is it Judy? And I said, well, Joy, I'm hosting. All right, Bob. I'm 74 years old, however old she was at the time. I'm very old. It is late, and I want to go to bed. Get her off the stage. Get her off the stage. The stage.

[A]

Was she serious?

[B]

All the comedians were. Oh, all the comedians were so annoyed because Judy Gold was supposed to go on for, like, I think, like, 10, 15 minutes, but she ended up going for, like, almost 30. And all the comedians were so annoyed. It was at Caroline's, and they were like this. They were like, get this bitch off the stage. And I kept going, and they all kept coming to me, being like, bob, please get her off the stage, because you're the host, Joy Behar, like. Cause I was the host, and Joy Behar, like, pushed through everyone. She goes with that same little hair she's had since the early 90s, since she was teaching in the Bronx. She was like, get her off the stage. I'm 74. It's past my bedtime. So then I was like. So I went to the booth, and I was like, can you please flash? They start flashing the light. And then Judy was like, I see the light. But she wouldn't get off. She wouldn't get off the stage. And then she finally got off, and then I called up Joy Behar. Joy Behar was livid. She didn't even tell jokes. She just got on stage and was like. She just got on stage. She was like, you know what? Honestly. Cause it was a benefit. She goes, you're all rich. You're probably all Trump supporters. So I'm annoyed to even be in the room with you. I'm supposed to be doing comedy, but honestly, I don't feel like it. I feel like you're a bunch of. And I don't even want to be in this room. I don't even want to be in this room with you right now. But I'm supposed to do jokes, so whatever. Here we go. I used to. I was a teacher when I. Back when I used to teach, I had kids who would pop. Whatever. Here's another joke. You ever notice that pigeons. Did they stand at the stoplight with you? Only New York. Oh, whatever. All right, that's my time. I'm Joy Behar.

[A]

You know, I have to be honest. Yeah. You guys are all Trump supporters. I don't want to be here, but here we go.

[B]

Anyway, that was basically. I mean, I'm exaggerating a little bit, but Joy Behar was not in a good mood that night.

[A]

I mean, that's her on the show, though, on the View. That's how she's on the View. Like, people say stuff. She's like, joy, because again. But there's also something just funny because I think she may be finding another life in her comedy. Not that she needs another one, but when you get older, there's something. There is comedy about being an old, grumpy old man or old woman. I find that to be funny. I find her hysterical on the View because she's not telling jokes. She's just grumpy. And it's great.

[B]

Great. I agree. When you get old, you will be a great.

[A]

When you get old, you're going to be a great, old, annoyed person. It's going to be. It's going to be. You can have, like, another. Another life in comedy. It's going to be so funny.

[B]

A lot of my friends constantly talk about this Joy. They have around the idea of me being old, and I don't get it. It's like, I can't wait. Specifically, they're like, ooh, when you're old. I'm like, why do y' all want to see me old so bad? What is this obsession with me being old?

[A]

Because you get annoyed by little things now. When you get older, the tiny filter that you do have now about certain things is going to be completely gone. It's going to be great. I can't wait.

[B]

I'm going to be a very gracious older person. Just like, I'm a very gracious young. Real quick, before you go. You know, something happened to me one time a while back that really kind of, like, made me think to myself, what the fuck's going on?

[A]

What?

[B]

And I just want to be clear. I think this reporter was wrong. I got asked to be part of an interview about drag, the newer generation of drag and the older generation of drag. And I was like, of course I would love to be a part of this interview. It would be my honor to represent the younger generation of drag and bitch. I got to the interview, and I realized I was in the older generation portion, which is not. Not. I mean, I have been doing drag for 13 years. I understand that, but I'm not part of the older generation of drag.

[A]

Yeah, I wouldn't say you're the part. I don't want to say you're part of the older generation either. But I mean, in terms of.

[B]

If there's two camps, I'm in the young camp. If there's, if it's only older and younger, I'm in the younger camp still.

[A]

With your a. With your age. But I'm saying. But in terms of. Nowadays, you have queens, a lot of queens. These bitches are on, especially because of Drag Race. You have bitches on Drag Race, and they've been doing drag for maybe a year, two years. So when you look at that comparison, who's been doing it for 13 years, you fall in an older drag faction for sure. Because there's so many people who have been doing it for not many years now, with big reaches and big exposure, for sure.

[B]

If you're splitting it down the middle, I'm gonna say it's one to 20 years and then 20 and up. That's my opinion. No. So then where does the split start?

[A]

I feel like the split starts after 15 years.

[B]

So you're in two years. You're trying to put me in the older generation of drag in two years?

[A]

In terms of drag experience, yes. Because, Bob, because if you look at, if you make like a Venn diagram, 15 to 30, I mean, 1 to 15, 15 to 30. There are this circle. It is full.

[B]

Like, it is full, but it's gonna get smaller as it transitions over. Because a lot of those girls won't stay. I'm not, I'm not. If you're, if they're a split, I'm not gonna. In two years, I'm not gonna be on the same size Lady Bunny, that's for goddamn sure. Me and Lady Bunny are not in the same circle. Me and, me and Jackie beat. We're not. Me and RuPaul are not this 62 year old. We. Not in the same circle. I'm.

[A]

RuPaul and Bunny are the. Who. Who is the oldest drag queen? You know?

[B]

The oldest drag queen I know is probably Lady Bunny, actually. I mean, I don't know RuPaul. I mean, I, I guess I kind. I, I. RuPaul and I know each other's names, so I guess technically, 62. RuPaul is the oldest drag queen I know. 62 years old. Yeah.

[A]

For me, it's Darcelle in Portland.

[B]

She's Stelladoro.

[A]

Who's older. How old is Stella? Darcelle is the oldest drag queen in America.

[B]

Darcel is. Oh, you know Darcelle?

[A]

Yeah, I performed at her show a couple times.

[B]

There's two Darcelles. Darcelle P. House is not the older Darcelle.

[A]

Not Darcelle. Darcel in Portland. I know Darcelle is a little.

[B]

I know you just said. I just. I was just making sure you know that Darcelle is not.

[A]

Bitch. I do know.

[B]

You know the Darcelle. You know the other Darcelle?

[A]

Yes, I've done her show a couple times. Bitch, I used to live in Portland.

[B]

Oh, my God.

[A]

Okay. Stella is a. Darcelle is old.

[B]

Stella is roughly in her 70s, but I don't know Darcelle. So the oldest queen I know is. But also, Stella has actually not been doing drag that long. She started drag around the same time I did.

[A]

Oh, yeah. Well, Darcelle been doing drag for a long time.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Darcelle, 17, 19, something like that. But yeah. Well, Roberta, I think we talked about old people. We talked about old people.

[B]

Do you have a date you want to quit? Have you ever thought about having a cancel to your drag? Is there a moment that if there's something that would make you want to stop doing drag?

[A]

The first time I shit on myself, if I ever shit on myself because I'm too old to figure out how to get out of my clothes, then I should stop doing drag.

[B]

Oh, I know a lot of queens who need to quit already. I can think of a few queens, bitch.

[A]

Remember the one from the Ritz?

[B]

Time to quit drag, girl.

[A]

Not shitting yourself in the club, serving shots. That's wild behavior.

[B]

What about the time the guy shit on you that wasn't time to quit drag?

[A]

No, because he did it on me. And if you want to know what we're talking about, you should. This is a plug for the bold and the beautiful. Check out the episode I did with them.

[B]

You know, I feel like if I ever felt like I didn't feel beautiful. No, if I didn't feel beautiful, I could probably still do it. And then I did. I did drag. I was sitting. I was like, you know what I have? I'm stunning. I remember thinking to myself, like, this is a great queen. I was gonna myself, and I was like, this is a great drag queen.

[A]

Oh, my God, you're ridiculous. That's me every time I get in drag, baby.

[B]

All right, thank you so much for listening to our. Our little podcast. If you are A queer elder. Please comment below and tell us how old you are. And we want to thank you so much for being out, for being visible, for being a shining beacon and an example of what it means to be alive and queer. Thank you for all you've done. Thank you for every step you've taken that allowed us to be able to sit here, especially if you are a elder black queer, if you're trans queer. Thank you all so much for all you've done.

[A]

Yeah, also especially the patrons. We get a lot of. A lot, not a lot of. But there are some queer elders that I see comment pretty often on Patreon. So shout out to y', all, too, for supporting us even more intimately and really being a part of the civil rivalry family. We really do appreciate it, and it's nice to hear y' all chime in and be like, well, back when. Da, da, da. Here's why Monet is wrong. Here's why Bob don't make no sense, because back when we was young. So I love that as well.

[B]

Back in my day. Can you say that one time?

[A]

No, I'm not saying it. And you know that one time. No, I'm not saying it.

[B]

Back in my day, Honestly, it's. It's really fun to say.

[A]

Adore did on the Pit Stop. Do you want to send her a cease and desist?

[B]

Did she really do back in my day, like, the way I do it?

[A]

She did, yeah.

[B]

Was she referencing me?

[A]

No, she's referencing herself. Adora's been doing drag longer than you, and she was on Drag Race before you. She did it first, baby.

[B]

It's not necessarily how that works, but go off, pop off, pussy hat.

[A]

Okay, well, yeah, well, I'll talk to you. I'll talk to her about it. I'll let you know. Okay. Bye, baby.

[B]

Bitch. Put her on three way. You don't have to have a private conversation. Put that bitch on three ways. Bye.