The One About Gifts

Summary

Sibling Rivalry Podcast: "The One About Gifts"

Date: November 9, 2022
Hosts: Bob the Drag Queen & Monét X Change

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Episode Overview

This lively installment of Sibling Rivalry revolves around the quirks, customs, and meanings behind gift-giving—from sentimental to absurd, practical to extravagant. Bob and Monét deliver their signature, side-splitting banter while candidly discussing lost items, family traditions, drag mishaps (including tucking and accidental exposure), the emotional weight of career "gifts" like RuPaul's Drag Race, and what it means to give and receive with intention (and sometimes with a little bit of shade).

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Key Discussion Points and Insights

1. Material Attachments and Losing Things

• Monét’s Hat Saga (01:24)

  • Monét laments the loss of a beloved black Nike hat: "It's very annoying, so I know it's a material thing, whatever. But I get so annoying when I lose an article of clothing that I really like." (01:24)
  • Discussion about ordering a replacement and disappointment with seasonal, changing products.

• Bob’s Fanny Pack & Key Fiasco (02:48)

  • "Sometimes when I travel...I accidentally leave my keys in my purse, and the purse is in the suitcase, and then I get to the door, and I can't..." (02:48)
  • Bob confesses to frequently unpacking non-drag items quickly, but sometimes leaving drag stuff packed until the next gig.

2. Drag Mishaps & Tucking Secrets

• Wardrobe Malfunctions & Tuck Talk (06:05)
  • Both share embarrassing but hilarious stories of “slippage” on stage due to inadequate tucking.
  • Monét discusses her approach: "There's a brand called Tuck it Up...I got a medium and a large. Like the medium to get really tight in there to really secure it. And I wear two..." (06:45)
  • Audience pictures sometimes catch more than just the performance.

3. The Sentiment Behind Wearing Gifts

• Meaning of Using a Gift (09:43)
  • Bob: "If I give you something and you use it and you send me a picture of you using it...it really feels nice. I will get it from my mom. My mom likes...just send me a picture of it." (09:43)
  • Monét contrasts with her own family: "Our family is not like that...No one...don't care..." (11:07)
  • Both hosts relive moments questioning whether given gifts were ever actually used.

Memorable Exchange: The Sweater Saga

[Sweater conversation runs throughout, see 41:32–45:56]

• Ongoing saga about Monét’s sweater, gifted by Bob, and whether it’s ever been worn or appreciated.
• Bob: "We’ve literally discussed this sweater, I think, a thousand times on this podcast." (01:00, 47:41)
• Monét: "I did wear the sweater." (45:56)

4. Notable Gift Stories—Fans, Partners, Friends

• Fan Gifts and Family Traditions (23:36)

  • Monét and Bob recount extraordinary gifts from fans (custom jackets, art pieces).
  • Patty, Monét’s friend, gifted her an expensive favorite candle for a major milestone (24:17).
  • Bob praises assistant Kennedy for a hand-painted Whoopi Goldberg jacket (22:58).

• Charitable Gifting Shout-Out (25:10)

  • Bob introduces candles from Grove Gives: "Each candle you buy will feed... like, five meals for someone. It's so crazy. I've never even heard of anyone doing anything like that." (26:00)

5. Deepest Gifts: Drag and Life Opportunities

• The Gift of RuPaul’s Drag Race (18:57 & 20:10)

  • Monét: "Because of RuPaul's Drag Race, I'm able to achieve so many dreams...It really is because of that I'm able to give people and to help people and to do different things in my life." (18:57)
  • Bob: "It's like you're walking around in real life with a blue check mark...Drag itself is a gift. Sobriety is a big gift to me." (20:25, 21:44)

• Most Cherished Gifts (22:58–24:41)

  • Bob lists a custom Switch case, hand-painted jackets, and a partner’s significant assistance.
  • Monét plans to dedicate a room in her house to fan gifts.

6. Thoughtful vs. Random Gifts—Approaches & Philosophies

• Gift-Giving Styles

  • Bob tends to give gifts in moments of parting or when meaningful, not habitually among friends: "It is very easy for me to give someone something, a gift, and then my feelings will be hurt if they don't use it..." (29:11)
  • Monét prefers spontaneous gifting, regardless of occasion: "I like getting gifts for friends, like just randomly...if I know you really like something..." (30:43)
  • Both are big on sentiment over market value.

• Sentimental Gestures (34:35–38:11)

  • Monét’s most touching: concert tickets for a friend to see Jasmine Sullivan.
  • Bob details personalized cast gifts for "Angels in America" based on inside references and shared jokes.

7. The Gift That’s Not Used (or Used Creatively)

• When Recipients Don’t Use Gifts as Intended (47:07–52:50)
  • Bob muses on giving Katya a pair of rare Louboutins, only to discover she wore them in the sand: "If I give someone a gift and they literally use it in a way that literally is like ruining the gift intentionally. That is very odd behavior." (48:48)
  • Debate follows on whether it matters how a recipient uses a gift once it leaves your hands, versus emotional attachment or expectations (51:59).

8. Cosmetic Tips & Dangers

• On Weave Bond Glue and Eye Safety (58:19–61:39)
  • Both recall the risks and rewards of using unconventional products in drag, especially the widespread but risky use of hair glue as eyelash adhesive.
  • Monét cautions: "We do not endorse using weave bond glue on your eyes, please...We are not saying that you should do that. Do use your own judgment..." (59:49)
  • Bob: "I've been doing it for 14 years and nothing has ever happened to me...I'm not telling folks to go do it. All I'm saying is I've been doing it for 14 years...I have 14 years of hard research, cold hard statistics on this subject matter." (59:22, 59:49)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• "You need to extra double bag it, you know?"
  —Monét, on keeping things secure on stage (08:51)

• "If I give you something and you use it and you send me a picture of you using it...it really feels nice."
  —Bob (09:43)

• "Our family is not like that...No one...don't care."
  —Monét (11:07), on differing family gift traditions

• "RuPaul's Drag Race is the gift that keeps on giving."
  —Bob (20:10)

• "This candle is $500. I'm not shaving this candle. Like, what the hell is going on in this candle?"
  —Bob, reacting to the price of a luxury candle gift (24:52)

• "Go buy a fucking candle."
  —Bob, after a comical debate about spelling and domains for candles that benefit charity (28:02)

• "I like the sentimental gift as well."
  —Monét, on concert tickets and the meaning behind gifts (35:12)

• "If you want to see them, Katya wore them...dig her heels into the sand and her toes would point, like, directly up."
  —Bob retelling the infamous Louboutin beach incident (53:30)

• "We do not endorse using weave bond glue on your eyes, please. We are not saying that you should do that."
  —Monét (59:49)

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Timestamps for Important Segments

• Losing items & unpacking quirks: 01:24–04:24
• Tucking secrets & drag wardrobe fails: 06:05–09:24
• Family gifting traditions: 09:43–11:34
• Fan gifts & personalized tokens: 23:36–24:41
• Emotional value of Drag Race & career opportunities: 18:57–21:44
• Gift-giving approaches & philosophies: 29:11–31:11
• Stories about using gifts (the sweater, Louboutins): 41:32–52:11
• Cosmetic hacks & safety (weave bond glue): 58:19–61:39

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Tone and Language

The episode is irreverent, playful, and deeply honest, filled with inside jokes and drag lingo, heartfelt admissions, and classic Bob & Monét mutual heckling. Both hosts remain true to their comedic rapport, blending humor with real talk about gratitude, expectations, and the weirdness (and joy) of both giving and receiving.

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Summary Takeaway

This episode uses the theme of "gifts" as a lens into the personalities, attachments, communities, and hilarious dysfunctions of two beloved drag superstars. It is both a master class in laughter and a touching meditation on the surprises embedded in truly meaningful acts of giving—whether that's a sweater, a concert ticket, a candle, or simply shared experience and love.

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For listeners (and non-listeners alike), this episode is a riotous, candid ride through the world of drag, friendship, gratitude, and occasional emotional chaos—all with Bob and Monét’s signature wit.

Transcript

[A]

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[B]

my name is Bob the Drag Queen

[C]

and I'm Monet's James.

[B]

And this is sibling rivalry.

[C]

On today's episode, we give away our tucking secrets.

[B]

We talk about gifting, and we find

[C]

out what made Bob say this.

[B]

We've literally discussed this sweater, I think, a thousand times on this podcast, and we found out what made Monet say this.

[C]

I want to say cinema. We do not endorse using weave bomb glue in your eyes, please. We are not saying that you should do that. Can I tell you what happened to me recently?

[B]

What happened?

[C]

I lost one of my favorite hats and it's very annoying, so I know it's a material thing, whatever. I get so annoying when I lose, like, an article of clothing that I really like. It really, like, puts a damper in my day.

[B]

Can you describe the hat?

[C]

It was the black Nike hat I wear in these. I wore it all the time. It has a little silver thing, and I thought I ordered the same one again, but then this showed up in my home and I think this is just a little too much. I like the little, tiny, little silver check that was here, so. But I think, like, they make, like, stuff seasonally, so I don't think that's coming out again. So I'm just very upset. It was also, like, a fabric one, so I could, like, wash it because, you know, I wear it all the time. And this is. You can't, like, wash it. So I'm just very like, whatever.

[B]

I'm sorry to hear that. That sounds very annoying. Did you lose it in your home? Did you lose on the road?

[C]

I don't know. I don't know.

[B]

I didn't even.

[C]

I don't know where I lost it. It was coming back from a trip.

[B]

I was annoying. Everyone always asks, but when was the last place you saw it? That's such an annoying question.

[C]

Sometimes it helps. I don't remember and I think I tried a date. Yeah, I don't know where it was, but it's very irritating. Did you lose something recently?

[B]

Have I lost anything recently? No, not. No, I don't. I can't think of anything I've lost recently. Sometimes I do this thing where I carry a fanny pack. So mostly I carry either this Gucci fanny pack or I have this coach purse that I carry almost everywhere. It's either this, like, black Gucci fanny pack or this black coach purse. And I'm just basically putting all my stuff between the two. And sometimes when I travel, I do this thing where I accidentally leave my keys in my purse, and the purse is in the suitcase, and then I get to the door, and I can't. I have to either, like, open up my suitcase to get to my keys, which, like, drives me crazy, or use, like, the code to get in. But then, like, my code thing is, like, kind of messed up, so it's just me, like, jiggling the handle. So. So I didn't lose anything. But I did. But I did. But I did accidentally miss, like, leave my keys in my suitcase when getting home. And, like, you don't want to open your suitcase on your front. Step on your front door. Like, that's just. It's too much. It's too much. Do you unpack your suitcase, like, as soon as you get home?

[C]

Yes, I unpack my suitcase.

[B]

Like, the moment you get home. You don't waste a moment.

[C]

I get. I go in the kitchen. I like, straighten up downstairs. I live downstairs. It's, like, out of order a little bit. And I go right upstairs and I unpack my entire boy bag and my entire drag suitcase. I unpack everything every time. Andy thinks it's the strangest thing, but leaving it for later is so annoying to me. Cause I'm like. Because it has to be done eventually, and I'd rather just do it and get it done as soon as I get home. Also, I just feel cleaner, you know? What about you? How long do you wait?

[B]

It doesn't make me feel cleaner. Cause it's in a suitcase. It's in a suitcase. What I normally do is I. It depends. I unpack the out of drag stuff usually pretty soon, and then my drag stuff. Sometimes I just. Sometimes I will leave it until I have to pack again because I don't unpack my makeup. So somehow just take the stuff out, and then I'll take it to the dry cleaner if it needs to be dry cleaned. Or I'll just hang it up if it's. If I can hang it up and Then I just pack in the new clothes but I usually end up opening it and washing my tights anyway. If I wore tights sometimes I don't wear tights when I, when I'm wearing these little like trapeze. Oh because they're so comfy when I do.

[C]

You did something the other day and I was screaming on my phone. I liked a picture. I comment I was like look at my little baby looking so beauty, so cute.

[B]

What?

[C]

You wore that little red dress and you wore those open toed gold pump sandals.

[B]

I said look at my girl, she lookin cute. I've worn those sandals several times. Well thank you for the compliment. I've worn those several sandals. I didn't say you did it.

[C]

This may be I just noticed you wearing them and I was like bob looks so cute. Overtone shoes. Honey, you look very cute. I love that I would wear that outfit.

[B]

That's a very kind compliment. That is a very kind compliment and I appreciate it. That outfit was made by Godoy, Danny Godoy, who's a really great designer here in Los Angeles. So big shout out to you.

[C]

Mine probably would have been a little sluttier. Yours is like a lady length like down to your knees. Mine probably would have been like just below my ass. Honestly. I'm gonna go see the door. I'm like could you make me this outfit? But instead of having it down to the knees, I want it like right above, like right below the crack, like right at the crack of ass.

[B]

I used to wear my dresses really high, like right at my crotch level. But you know you're doing stand up. It's not like being in the theater. Like they are so close to that, right? And they can really see up your garments and I'm like, you can really see my business. So I'm gonna make my dress a decent length. And I also, I'm like kicking and turning and stuff. You know what I mean? I'm just like I don't want anything popping. One time I did a show in, I did a shocking where I was but like I remember I didn't wear, I didn't wear, I wasn't wearing padding or tights and girl like my family jewels were like about to slip out and I was like this is too much like I can't have this going on in my life, you know, I

[C]

mean a few times, a few times on civil rivalry tour, my boss, my boys. Well a few times on civil rivalry tour my balls fully came out and I just make a joke about it like sometimes we do the opening number and the way that I just do you wear. You don't wear gaff anymore. But I. So I wear. There's a brand called Tuck it Up and they make tucking panties for drag queens and people who want to wear. Who have penises or whatever and they want to tuck them away in a look and like that. They specifically make undergarments for that. So that's what I wear. But since. So I got like. I got a medium and a large. Like the medium to get really tight in there to really secure it. And I wear two. The medium and the large and the large ones on top of that for any other spillage. There may be every way. But sometimes that medium girl my stuff be poking out of there and then like your ball gets like mangled in the side of your stuff. And it happened a few times on stage. I think specifically in Boston. If someone took a picture and sent it to me, I was like, yep, those are my balls. Just out during the first summer.

[B]

Maybe you're not supposed to wear a meeting. You know, you're a lady with a lot of meat on your body. And I think that maybe you're supposed to wear a large. And then I would say probably on top of the tuck it away just grab yourself a tight pair of panties like of all encompassing panties. Like all like the booty, the whole like a granny panty if you will, but real tight and pull them up and that could be a great alternative to your.

[C]

That's a good idea. But I can't do that because on top of that then I just put my tights on. I don't have. I don't wear my fishnets and stuff. I don't wear tights. I wear just my normal. So if the granny panty is showing and I'm wearing a leotard cut, you're gonna see the granny panty. So that's why I can't do.

[B]

Why don't you put on the tuck it. Why don't you put on the tuck it away the tuck it and then put on the fishnet and then put on the granny panty.

[C]

Why don't you put it on the tuck it away then to put it back and then put on the fishnet. The granny panty pleaser.

[B]

Well the tuck it away the fishnet and then the granny panty on top of the fishnet. Why don't you do that?

[C]

Maybe that we'll see. It doesn't happen often, but it happened twice on tour also because to your point, I haven't Done a whole bunch of gigs where I'm doing a whole bunch of moving normally just stand up stuff, standing still. On stage, I get physical, but not like doing our choreography and rolling on the floor and doing this and that with our legs. Like, I haven't danced that hard in a long time before our tour. It's been a very long time. So I was like, oh, yeah, but you're doing a lot of stuff on stage. You need to, like, not have just. You need to extra double bag it, you know?

[B]

I saw you wearing those, wearing my pants, doing your standup, and I was. I thought you looked so great, and I was just so happy to see you in those pants.

[C]

I did. I wore your pants. Those are the pants you wore in your first special, right? Suspiciously large woman.

[B]

Yeah. And I saw clips and I was like, oh, I love. I was just thinking to myself, I love that she's wearing these pants. You know, if anyone out there wants to know, truly, the weight of my heart is if I give you something and you use it and you send me a picture of you using it, or if I see it, if you post on the Internet, it really feels nice, I will get it from my mom. My mom likes to, like, like, she's like, send me pictures of. Of you. Like, if she anything, she's like, just send me a picture of it. Just send me a picture of it. My mom got Jacob this yarmulke, the Pac man yarmulke, because Jacob was wearing this Pac man hoodie that I used to own. I don't know where that Pacman hoodie is nowadays. Probably somewhere in storage. And my mom saw Jacob wearing the hoodie at Christmas. And then she was like, I'm gonna get Jacob a Pac man yarmulke because Jacob wears a yarmulke around Christmas time because he wants everyone to know he's not celebrating Christmas. And my mom got him this Pacman yarmulke, so he hadn't worn it out much because Jacob doesn't really wear yarmulkes much. And I said, jacob, I don't think you're understanding. I need a picture of you in this. I need a picture of you in this yarmulke. I know you don't wear yarmulkes a lot, but I absolutely have to have a picture of you in this yarmulke to send my mother. Even if you just put it on and we just sit in the house, I have to. I cannot go home unless I get a picture of you wearing this yarmulke.

[C]

That is so interesting, because my family is the opposite. I knew this about you before. I knew that's how your mom is. But it's just so interesting to hear how different family dynamics work, because our family is not like that. Someone gives you a gift, like, someone gives you something. Like, not. No one don't care. They see you. And I'm sure someone will be happy to see it, but we're not like the family. Like, I need to.

[D]

We.

[C]

I need to see the picture of it. It makes us happy. Like, when. I don't know. It's just. It's just so funny how different. How different dynamics operate.

[B]

Yeah. Whenever anyone gives me something, I put it on and I take a picture. Even. Even, like. Even the fans, like, you'll notice. Like, we were in. In Houston or wherever we were. I was like, monae, we should wear these Megan Thee Stallion shirts. Like, this person needs to see us. I was like, they have to see us wearing these shirts. They have to see us wearing these shirts.

[C]

And I was like, well, where's them damn earrings I gave you? Can I see a picture?

[B]

What earrings?

[C]

The gold earrings they gave me your birthday.

[B]

I sent a picture. I sent you a picture of me wearing the ring and sent you a picture of me wearing.

[C]

I don't remember that. Maybe you did. I don't remember, though.

[B]

And then I gave you the ring, and you never gave me the ring back. You took the ring from me and never gave it back.

[C]

Oh, I don't know where that ring

[B]

is, by the way. You lost it?

[C]

Well, I went to the. No, I hadn't. I went to go back to Versace because it was too small, too big for you.

[B]

I can't remember. You lost it?

[C]

No, I took it to the Versace store, and maybe you gave it back to. Yeah, I took. To the Versace store. And then they were like, yeah, for whatever reason, they couldn't. They couldn't exchange it for a size, even though I had the receipt. Whatever reason why they couldn't change it. I brought it back to your place at 84 Washington, but I don't know what happened to you.

[B]

Maybe you gave it to Jacob. I mean, there have been times you've been here without me, but I sent you a picture of me on the plane wearing the earrings, and I also wore them when we were here. And I also sent you a picture of me wearing the ring, too.

[C]

What about the red. What about the red Ms. Hell's Kitchen dress? I ain't seen no picture of that. What is that?

[B]

What red Ms. Hell's Kitchen dress.

[C]

The dress I wore Mrs.

[A]

Kitchen.

[C]

You were like, I was gonna give it away. Monet, can I have it? And I gave you the dress I wore for my presentation in Ms. Hell's Kitchen. That Vicki Villanes.

[B]

You mean the champagne? The champagne color one that I made that you stoned.

[C]

No, no.

[B]

Oh, no, you did bring it back. You gave it to Jacob. It's here.

[C]

Oh. Oh, yeah.

[B]

Okay. Oh, it's small. This thing is. Woo.

[C]

It goes on your finger. How can it be small? It's going on and off so easily.

[B]

Oh, it just. See, this one's. And this one's too big. Wait, what red missiles? What does it look like? What red missiles?

[C]

The red dress I wore to the one that presentation looks like it has. It's an African dress with, like, the tree, the branch going to the front of it that I wore you for.

[B]

I literally did an entire. I did an entire photo shoot in that dress. Literally.

[C]

Oh, yeah, you did. You did. For your Pride series. You're right. You're right. You did. You did. Okay, okay, okay.

[B]

And I used to wear. And I used to wear it to meet and greets all the time. I'm right. Now if someone gives you something, bitch, I wear it. Like, I will send you a picture. I will honor the piece. I don't know, it's just maybe it's something I get from my mom. And I'm always like, I recently gave this drag, but I can't remember her name. But I went down to Marco Marco's studio and dropped off a bunch of drag. And when she tags me in pictures of drag I gave her, I just get so filled with joy. So filled with joy. Uh, it's lovely. Lovely.

[C]

Where are you?

[B]

What are you doing, by the way? What are you doing?

[C]

I'm in San Diego.

[B]

You're not in a hotel. Wherever you are, this is not giving hotel.

[C]

It's an. It's an Airbnb.

[B]

Got it.

[C]

I'm in. I'm in an Airbnb in San Diego. And dejuan came. Dejuan, you know, you know dejuan. Dejuan randomly happened to be here for work as well. So dejuan and I. I invited dejuan

[B]

to an event and he told me he couldn't come. He said he'd be in San Diego.

[C]

Yeah, he's here for work. So we happened to be at the same time. So we had a little kikiana.

[B]

What do you.

[C]

I've been to San Diego.

[B]

Can you give the address of the. Of The Airbnb. You won't be there by California.

[C]

Yeah, it's 372 Baird Falls Drive. Rear.

[B]

Bear. Bear Falls Drive.

[C]

Bear Falls Drive.

[B]

What are you doing in San Diego?

[C]

I had to do this gig for a thing, but I'll tell you later.

[B]

Last night, I had this. Well, I don't. You know what I'll take after the break?

[D]

Close your eyes. Exhale.

[C]

Feel your body relax. And let go of whatever you're carrying today.

[D]

Well, I'm letting go of the worry that I wouldn't get my new contacts in time for this class. I got them delivered free from 1-800-contacts. Oh, my gosh. They're so fast.

[C]

And breathe.

[D]

Oh, sorry. I almost couldn't breathe when I saw the discount they gave me on my first order. Oh, sorry. Namaste.

[C]

Visit 1-800-contacts.com today to save on your first order.

[B]

1-800-contacts. I just did a thing. Welcome back. I just did a thing. Honestly, I just had one of the most. This month has been insane. I just gotta say that out loud. This month has. And I don't think. I don't think I'm being at all sarcastic. I think this might be the hardest month of my life. In the past, like, 15 years, it's been really insane, really boring. But last night was a truly magnificent night. We did this Broadway show. I mean, I wasn't in the show, but I was part of this. I went to go see my friends in Strange Loop. My friend. I want to go see Strange Loop and saw my friend in the show. I didn't even know who was in it until I was like, oh, my God, John Andrews in the show. And I was like, I want to try to get. Like, this is such a crazy night. Like, what if everyone in this audience was, like, black and queer? This show would mean so much more. So I called my friend. I was like, can we make this happen? And then he helped me figure it out, and we were able to, like, sell out this show last night. It was so amazing. It was like Peppermint, like, Two Face, T Boy, Jada Balenciaga, Basit Mila, Jam Raja, Feather Kelly, my friend Vic. Like, all, like, a lot of my friends really love and, like, Arcia Stokes. And then I also looked down, and fucking Kevin Aviance was there. I was like, what?

[C]

Oh, my God, Kevin.

[B]

I looked down. I was like. I was like, oh, my God, Kevin's here. It was this crazy night. It was so beautiful. It was so amazing. I was completely overwhelmed.

[C]

I saw Pep. Pep looked beautiful. Pep had the girls pep looked gorgeous.

[B]

Truly, truly lovely, and that was a true gift. I cannot thank the cast of A Strange Loop and the producers and Michael R. Jackson and everyone involved in that show for helping last night happen. It was. It was a true gift to be able to. And I want to do it again. I want to do it with more shows. I want to, like, bring, like, big black queer groups to even more shows. We were able to raise money. We were able to get tickets to people who couldn't afford them. It was just really an amazing night. Speaking of gifts, that was great. What do you think is the best gift you've ever received?

[C]

I think one of the best. Best gifts I've ever received would be, honestly, to RuPaul's Drag Race. You know, I think that because of RuPaul's Drag Race, I'm able to achieve so many dreams that I'm. That maybe I would have achieved. Who's to say I would not have? But it definitely has expedited or fast tracked a lot of my hopes and my dreams and helped me accomplish them. I think just the gift of being on the show really has changed my life for the better, and it really is because of that I'm able to give people and to help people and to do different things in my life that I maybe may not have ever been able to had I not gotten a chance to be on the show. So I genuinely am, will always eternally be grateful to RuPaul for letting me on his show and giving me a platform and making me. Giving me a career. And so it truly is, to this day, at this time in my life, one of the biggest gifts. And maybe because of this gift, so many other things have happened. Will happen. So maybe this is the biggest gift I will ever get in my life. Like, my big break was being on RuPaul's Drag Race. So that's one of my biggest ones. What about you?

[B]

RuPaul's Drag Race is the gift that keeps on giving. It is. I don't think. I mean, maybe you all do understand the impact of the show because you're listening to this podcast, and I'm sure most of you know us from RuPaul's Drag Race.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

And it is. It opens up so many doors, so many opportunities, so many. It gives you access to so many people. It gives you validation. It verifies you. You get. It's like you're walking around in real life with a blue check mark. You know what I mean?

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

It catapults you into drag Stardom, which is wild because, you know, a lot of times you're in New York City or in whatever town you're in, you know, you're in. You're in Kansas City, Missouri, you're in Chicago, you're in Los Angeles, you're in Milwaukee, you're in Atlanta, you're in Tallahassee, you're doing drag. And I never started doing drag because I wanted to be famous. I wanted to be famous, and I was doing drag. But when I first started drag, I don't think I ever thought about. I didn't even consider being on Drag Race. I was just like, I want to do drag. It just seems like so much fun. Fun. And then it was like, the only thing I wanted to do. And it. And drag itself is a gift. Sobriety is a big gift to me. I cannot. I cannot believe that I am sober. It is crazy to me that I have not done any drugs, alcohol, except for that time on stage on the Silver Repertoire.

[C]

What city Was that in?

[B]

14.

[C]

Nashville.

[B]

St. Louis, Missouri. It was the very first city.

[C]

All right.

[B]

I think, anyway, maybe it was Nashville. But anyway, that I haven't done that in 14 years. That's really. That is really crazy to me. I fell in these rooms. Those rooms with those people. The what? Yes. I also. I mean, I've accidentally drank three times. I was kind of doing a bit, but I've accidentally drank three times in my sobriety. Is it an accident if you do it three times? Freebies, bitch. Honestly, Finish the drink. If you had a sip. Finish the drink, honey. I never finished the drink. But in terms of actual gifts, that is a very sentimental answer. In terms of actual gifts, like things someone has handed me, worked on, crafted, or paid money for. I think I've had some great. I've had some really, really great gifts. I have, too. One time, Jacob gave me this.

[C]

Stallifying them. I don't want to shade anyone else who gave me, like, a nice gift. Like, Monet didn't even mention my gift. Go ahead.

[B]

One time, Jacob got me this stone, like, crystal case for my switch, and it didn't really last very long because I was using it so much, but I really enjoyed it when I got it. That was a really lovely gift. I just really loved that. Kennedy, my assistant, she painted a jacket for me and Whoopi Goldberg's pictures on the back of the jacket. I really love that jacket. I love it a lot. I should probably grab. I should probably grab it. Maybe we'll.

[A]

Maybe.

[B]

Maybe there's a picture of it.

[C]

Fans have given me so many, so many, so many, so many nice gifts over there. I can't. Like, I have. Patty knows this. I have like about four fans have given me jackets or some type of blazer with like a very beautiful mural of my cell painted on the back of them. Or we have so many in storage. And when I finally move into my home and after I'm gonna. I wanna dedicate an entire room to be like really amazing, amazing fan gifts. So fans have given me so many nice things over the years. And Patti too. Patty is anytime. Like we have like a big milestone or something. Like when I first did. When I was first on the west end, Patty gave me this really nice opening gift. So Patty is giving me some really nice gifts as well.

[B]

What was the gift?

[C]

So I had my favorite candle, Suntal 33. I mean, Suntal 32. So Patty got me like this card and this really nice candle from my favorite candle store. And these are like. These are not cheap candle. These are expensive, like hundreds of dollars. And Patty got me one for opening night on the west end.

[B]

La labo santol 42. 32, obviously.

[C]

No, I think that's the. That's the perfect room. 33. But it's. It's Lilabo. Just look up L, E, L, A, B O.

[B]

This candle is $500. I'm not shaving this candle. Like, what the hell is going on in this candle? What the fuck is in this? What is in this candle? Wait, what is happening?

[C]

You sound like so what?

[B]

You are so crickety crunchy. I just don't understand what is going on. There's this guy named Rico Taquito. I don't know his real name, but his TikTok name.

[C]

I'm listening to you. I'm listening. I'm just getting some water real quick. I'm listening,

[B]

Labo. There's a guy named Rico Taquito that I follow on TikTok. And I have never wanted to buy a candle until he. And this is a completely unpaid promotion. I think you all. I need you all to know right now this. This promotion is complete. This is not paid in any way, but you can go to his. His TikTok. It's called Rico Taquito. And he has this candle company that he made with his brother. And it is. I've never wanted to buy a candle until I saw these candles.

[C]

What is it?

[B]

And the reason I'm trying to think. I'm trying to find the. It's called. Is it grooves? I think the candles are called grooves or groove Gives. But when you buy the candle each. I'm gonna get this wrong, so please don't quote me on any of this, but I believe that his candles. Each one feeds, like, five people. Like, it's like, it says, like, they're called groove. Yeah, Groove.

[C]

G, R, E, W.

[B]

No, just like the word groove. G R, O, O, V. Groove.

[C]

That's Grove. Groove is with an E.

[B]

Oh, gro. Yeah, Grove. Grove. I don't know. G, R, O, O, V, E. What does that spell?

[C]

Oh, G R O, V, E. Okay, there's an E at the end.

[B]

Yeah, but these candles. Like, I can't find the wording on the website, but, like, each candle you buy will feed. Buys, like, five meals for someone. It's so crazy. And I was like, I've never even heard of anyone doing anything like that. It's so cool. And I was like, bitch, I might start buying candles, maybe as gifts. I don't know how much I keep them. I have enough candles in this house. People give me candles a lot.

[C]

I know.

[B]

I thought it was so cool. So if you. If you want to. If you want to support, you can go to groovegives.com. that's G R O V E gives dot com.

[C]

Oh, grove. That's grove. It's one O. So grove.

[B]

No, it's two O's.

[C]

You just said one O, bitch.

[B]

Well, I apologize. Jesus. It's G-R-O-V E gives dot com. Go to Rico Taquito's TikTok. Okay. It's grooves. I've been saying grooves since the first time I opened my mouth. I've been saying grooves the whole time.

[C]

Y', all, y'. All, Y' all listening to this episode because Jay. Or Jay, our editor. Please rewind that. I, I, I, I cannot. I know I'm on the upside down. Y' all hear him saying. That's all he's saying.

[B]

Spoke, bitch. I probably accidentally said. But I never said gro. You said. I've been saying groove the whole time. Maybe I missed the fucking O, but Jesus Christ, bitch, go buy a fucking candle.

[C]

I thought I was going insane.

[B]

That just sent me misspelling one thing one time. You're insane now.

[C]

No, I'm telling you because of your accent or something. It's not like you're saying G. It's not like G R, O, V E. But I think you're saying G R O O Like you're saying G R O, O. But we're hearing G R, O V e, don't we?

[B]

Speak for yourself. Bitch, we all listen.

[C]

We are watching this right now. That's what we all heard.

[B]

Don't try to speak for everybody. Speak for yourself.

[C]

Okay, so back to gifts. So yours is that. Mine is that okay? Do you often give people gifts? Because you and I were friends for a long time, and I think we've only exchanged, like, on, like, a birthday thing. We've only exchanged gifts and maybe. Maybe twice. We've never. We're not like the friends that give each other gifts. They have friends that every Christmas, every birthday, they always give each other. We're not that. We're not those type of friends.

[B]

You know, I don't. I like to give gifts to people that I'm, like, not gonna see again very frequently. Like, when I was in Angels in America, I bought these really cool gifts for the cast because I knew I wouldn't be seeing them much. But I think that I. Honestly, it is very easy for me to give someone something, a gift, and then my feelings will be hurt if they don't use it or if they don't do something with it. So I just be like, I just don't. I don't. I don't give my friends and my partners and all those, like, a lot of gifts. Like, my assistant. I mean, I. And I'll get you a gift. Like, I've, like, I bought Kennedy a couch, but, like, she's gonna use the couch, obviously. You know what I mean? So, like, yeah, she's gonna use the couch, obviously. But, like, gifts.

[C]

I bought me a Patty. Matching gold chains. I have this one, and Patty has the same one, but a small size for him.

[B]

And, like, whenever I moved out of Zach's place, I got him some of these, like, custom coasters. Cause he likes dicks. And I had someone, an artist do, like, these custom dick coasters because he used to. I feel like he either didn't have coaster. No, He. He once said, I don't like my coasters. He once was just like, I hate these coasters. And I was like, okay, got it. I'll get you coasters when I move out as my, like, leaving gift. But if I'm, like, going to be leaving someone, I'll get them a gift. But if I'm going to see you all the time, I do not, like, I don't. I don't necessarily like getting gifts for people in that regard.

[C]

I like getting gifts for friends, like, just randomly. Like, I give my current gifts, like, randomly, like, in the year. Like, I'll just, like. I don't, like, wait for her birthday. If I, like, know you really like something, and it's a time where I feel it'd be sweet to do it to you. I'll just give you that gift then. Like, Arcia, like, recently, like, Arcia wanted something, but she told me, like, a while ago, I surprised her with this gift of the thing. And she's like, oh, Kevin. I was like, yeah, I'll just do it like that.

[B]

What's the gift?

[C]

She wanted to come to la.

[B]

Tell me after the break. Tell me after the break.

[C]

Nigga, I heard you. There's a delay. And we're back.

[B]

We're back.

[C]

No, I said we're back, nigga, you delayed.

[B]

Kennedy Monet.

[C]

Have you considered.

[B]

Have you considered. You keep acting like this is, like, some connection to me. Bitch, you are the one in the fucking Airbnb.

[C]

But it's a very nice Airbnb. They have nice Internet here.

[B]

This is the only thing that's changed between our normal podcasting is you've moved. I'm in the place. We do this all the time. You're in a new place.

[C]

Anyway, what about your fucking.

[B]

Your gift for Arcia?

[C]

I got Arcia flight to come to California. Cause she needed to do something for a thing.

[B]

I recently. Sometimes I buy tickets to things and I'll be like, see if he wants to come. Like, I bought some tickets to go see Chris Rock, which is coming up very soon. So excited to go see. Oh, it's November 17th, and I bought tickets and I told one of my friends back in New York City, Keja Carr. I was like, keja, you should come to. To LA and come see Chris Rock with me. Like, you gotta come. So I. I got the ticket before I even told her I was gonna get it. And I was like, I hope you can come. Luckily, she was able to come. It was. It was enough time in advance. But I'm like, I like that. That really. That, like, really, really excites me. And I like to give a lot of thoughts to my gifts. I remember me and Jacob worked so hard on these fucking gifts during Angels in America. These gifts were, like, so thoughtful. And I can tell you what the gifts were. But if you're not familiar with Angels in America, you'll be like, what? But if you are, you'll enjoy this next three minutes or so. So I got the guy who plays, his name Steven Spinella. He plays Roy Cohn. I got him an octopus wine holder because he has a line about octopuses in it. I got my friend Carmen, a custom star, a custom Fierce drag jewels brooch. That was this star. What's the name of the star, baby? Do you remember? Is it. Is this. It's like the star she mentions in the show. Ethel Rosenberg, I think. Yeah. And I got her this star. I got her this, like, custom fierce drag jewels massive brooch as a gift. I got. I got this. I found a bottle of a. Like, an ancient bottle of cologne. I cannot remember what it is. Like, it's some cologne that they mentioned in the show. And I found this, like, bottle of cologne that this character mentions from the 80s. And I had to, like, buy it off, like, ebay or some shit. I painted my friend. I painted a picture for another friend of the show. I got one of my. I made one of my. I made Randy Harrison this custom. I made it with my own hands. Just like, this, like, robe that his character wears in the show. I replicated the robe and made it for him. I got my other friend, like, a little polar bear costume for her baby. Cause she said that her baby turns into a polar bear. She gives birth to a. It was all this. Honestly, it was just really like. I was like. I was going. We made a book cover to look like this fake book in the play. And I was like. I remember when I was headed to, like, work to give out these gifts. I was like, honestly, fucking these gifts. Fucking slap. Like, these are great gifts. Jacob helped me out a lot. Jacob helped Photoshop the entire fake book. Jacob is a true partner in crime. Jacob is like, Jacob might be ride or die. I don't think he would use that vernacular, that verbiage, but Jacob might be ride or die.

[C]

I like the sentimental gift as well. So Duan and I have been together. We've been friends for about 15 years. And one of the first things that bonded us together.

[B]

Spell it. Spell it.

[C]

Was our love for Jasmine Sullivan. Because we both love Jasmine Sullivan, so. And we both wanted to see her on tour for a long time, but funds didn't pass, didn't permit, and just time just never worked out. So when I saw Just come into LA to do it for her first big tour, I was like, dejuan, you need to come to la. And I bought us, like, the best tickets. Like, really. I told you. I said this before. We were, like, in the front row, and I bought him and I tickets to go to see her in concert. And it was just a very great friend moment. We just had. We were like. We were like, crying. We were, like, living. And it was really lovely to share that moment with her and for onsense municipals for Christmas. I think I kind of told before for our Christmas.

[B]

But before you move on, I want to talk about Jasmine Sullivan for one second. Before you move on from Jasmine Sullivan. I hooked up with this guy recently, and I hooked up with this guy recently, and he showed it to my hotel room wearing this, like, Jasmine Sullivan shirt. And I was like. I was like, oh, you like. You like Jasmine Sullivan? He goes, I love Jasmine Sullivan. And I was like, yeah, Jasmine Sullivan is really talented. I was like, did you buy this shirt at her concert? And he goes, no, I made this shirt. And it was just like. It was just like a bunch of pictures of Jasmine Sullivan. It actually looked really good. I was like, girl, this could be like, you should sell this picture as merch. It looked really good. It was like a bunch of pictures of Jasmine Sullivan like, all over this shirt. And there was just something about him being like, no, no, I made this shirt.

[C]

I mean, dad.

[B]

And he wore it to her concert.

[C]

She deserves. She deserves all the flowers.

[B]

Yeah, Sorry. What you about to say something about Christmas?

[C]

Oh, yeah. For the.

[A]

For.

[B]

Can you tell Andy we're working? Can you tell Andy, can you pass that message on, please?

[C]

For.

[B]

Nigga, are you in an abusive relationship? When they said,

[C]

for our first Christmas and for the first Christmas, andy did the 12 days of. And he got me a gift for every day, and every gift wasn't super expensive. Whatever. They were just varying degrees of sentimentality between us. The first one was, like, a sunflower mug and, like, a tea thing. And they got me this really nice honey. They got me a game. They got me a book series of my favorite book. I love the avatar graphic novels. And the last three were, like, these very nice and sentimental gifts. So I am a fan of a sentimental gift and not something that needs a lot of value. If it's, like, sentimental and sweet, I cherish that more than something. That is a lot of money. For sure. How about you?

[B]

Yeah. I mean. Yeah, you know? Yeah, I agree. A lot of times, if someone. I kind of just like, listen to stuff people say, and then if you say you need something or you like something or you want something, then I just kind of store that in the back of my head, and I'd be like, okay, I'm going to. I think I've mentioned this before. I got Jacob this massive. It may be too big. Jacob was like, the only time I would ever want, like, a Jewish necklace is if it was the. The high symbol, which is like a. It kind of. It kind of Looks like pie. A little bit, actually. And he goes. He goes, I would. I would want that, like, bejeweled. And I think he meant, like, like this big, maybe. But I got one, like, custom one made. It is like, nipple to nipple. Just, like, massive, like, custom high symbol. Am I saying that right, baby? For Jacob, as a. As a Hanukkah gift one year. And then one time, Jacob was just like, I need a computer. And I was like, all right. So then on the cruise ship, I think it was Jacob's birthday, your birthday. I got Jacob the laptop that he's. That I'm using right now, actually, the laptop that I'm currently looking at. Jacob was like, I need a new computer. I was like, well, let's get you a new computer.

[C]

That's so sweet. On the subject of computers, big shout. I want to give a shout out to our editor Jay. Our editor Jay really be coming through for us, and he's really one of the sweetest, kindest, most generous people. The laptop that I use, that I've been using for the past two years, Jay gave me this laptop.

[B]

He.

[C]

My old laptop, which I had had since my freshman year of college. It was a MacBook Pro 2013. It was my sophomore year. I had it from 2013 up until the pandemic. And like, right when the pandemic started, my shit was on the fritz. And this, you know, everyone was working from home. Like, I. All the store Apple stores was closed and shit. There was no way I can get a new laptop. And he was like, I can give you a laptop. I was like, jack, he'd take your laptop. And he, like, completely just gave me his brand new laptop because I needed a little laptop, and I've been using it ever since. So shout out to our lovely. My little Jay Defeo, who was so sweet and so generous, who gifted me this amazing laptop that I still use to this day. And also he's so crazy. This shit has, like two terabytes of fucking of space. It has a terabyte of ram. It's like a supercomputer that I will never, ever use in all the shit on it that's on here.

[B]

What was the other thing that I was trying to say? We have a picture of the necklace. There was something else. I was like, maybe there's a picture of it right here. Oh, the whoopee jacket. There we go. Okay. I just want to make sure I'm writing down the things that. So, as you all know, years ago, I got a custom cardigan from Zero Waste Daniel. And Monet was like, oh, my God, this. I love this sweater. Like, I want one. So then I got one made from Monet. And then we famously had a discussion on this podcast about how I had never seen Monet wear the sweater. Monet proclaimed that she wears it quite often.

[C]

I did not say quite often. I said that I wore it in All Stars.

[B]

That she's. No, no, no. Before All Stars, Monet said that she has. Monet said something like, I wear it. I do wear it.

[C]

Oh, yeah.

[B]

He said something that insinuated that. Like, yeah, exactly. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I said that I wear it.

[C]

I never said I wear it quite often. I didn't say. I said I wear the sweater.

[B]

You know, I don't remember the verbiage, and I don't think you remember it either, to be quite honest. But.

[C]

But I know that I say I wear it quite often.

[B]

Monet said that she wore it, and I was like, oh, so people seen you wear it? And then, of course, we call people. Not a single person on the planet had a clue or an inkling of remembering this jacket, this sweater. Despite everyone we call. They were all like, no, that does not even come close to ringing a bell. And then Monet, apparently, now you can take from here, and then you can tell the All Stars version of it.

[C]

Well, you keep on talking. I'm gonna literally. So. So on RuPaul Dragon's All Stars, I, for the. One of my snatching characters was gonna be Whoopi Goldberg. And then so, you know, when we do, like, the walkthroughs of the Ruin, he talks to you about, like, what you're thinking of doing. Yada, yada, yada. I had. They don't. You don't get to see the entire thing. If they showed you everyone's entire run through Bitch, the episode would be three hours, four hours long. And nobody wants to see all that. So they didn't show the part where it talks about Whoopi and how I pulled out my dreadlock wig and I put on the sweater and I was going through my Whoopi stuff. I didn't show that. But there is a picture. There's, like, a video of me wearing in Untucked, and someone, like, freeze framed it and tagged me on Twitter. But I'm still gonna try to find the clip or I'll find it before this episode is done. So if you are. If you are watching this, you are seeing. This is the clip of me wearing it. I can't control what they show on TV, but this is me wearing it on RuPaul's Drag Race. They just did not show it, like, for as long.

[B]

I don't doubt that you wear the sweater, but I do want to say that I, I release the notion of you wearing this sweater way before you ever took it to RuPaul's Drag Race, way before you were ever even cast in the show.

[C]

No, that's not true. We. We had the discussion. When I took it to RuPaul's Drag Race, I took it ironically because that was around the time that we were having this discussion about. About. About the sweater. Because. Because the show airs a year after you. This. Yes, it was. I'm telling you, it was. It was. It was around that time.

[B]

Are you, you think that we had the discussion about the sweater after you got back?

[C]

No, we had the discussion before I left for Drag Race. Like, we had it. We were having, like, that spring.

[B]

That's what I'm saying. So I took it. I had released.

[C]

But I had worn it already because the thing aired a year later. I had wore it a year before that. So it was in the throes of us talking about it.

[B]

What I'm saying is. No, let me say what I'm saying, then you say what you're saying. By the time you took the sweater to wear it, not when it aired. By the time you took the sweater to wear it, we had already had the discussion about the sweater. We had already. We had already, very publicly, before you even got cast on Drag race All Stars 7, right before they were even, we had already had an entire discussion about this. And I had released it. I said, I release it. I don't care if she wears it anymore. It doesn't matter to me. Monet doesn't want to wear it. It doesn't matter. So you wearing it on the show was way before it aired. When you took it before you were cast, I had already released me caring about you wearing it the same.

[C]

But I didn't wear it for you. I wore it because it was working for my character. I was wearing. Ironically. I was. I wasn't wearing it to be like, look what I'm wearing for you on tv. I was wearing it for our. For the people who listen to the podcast, for people who he thought that that whole saga was funny. I wasn't wearing it to make you happy. I was wearing it because it was silly and it was ironic.

[B]

Okay. I mean, that. I, I, I didn't say you were. I was just saying I released. Caring about where. Caring about whether or not you wore it. I did not say that you wore it to make me happy. What I'm saying is I release caring about what you did with that sweater.

[C]

Okay, well, Jacob asked about the sweater. I was just saying why I wore it in drag. Cause we were talking about the whole saga of the sweater, and I was saying why I wore it on the show.

[B]

All I'm saying is. All I'm saying is I released caring about you wearing the sweater. That's literally all I'm saying. And I did not say that you wore it to make me happy. I did not say that you did that. All I said was I got you the sweater. You didn't want to wear it.

[C]

And that is what you're assuming that that is not. Again, you're assuming that I did not want to wear that.

[B]

You didn't. You didn't wear it.

[C]

Okay, but that's not true either, because I did wear the sweater.

[B]

Okay, super. I'm glad we had this conversation.

[C]

Amen.

[B]

Have you ever given anyone a gift that they didn't use?

[C]

I'm sure I have. Not that I've noticed or cared. Like, when I give someone to give, I, I, I, I generally am not, like, looking online. I'm looking for them to send me anything. I'm not looking for any anything. I'm not trying to get anything back from them for this gift I gave them. If they weren't in a seat, I'm like, oh, work, that looks cute. But I don't ever. I'm never keeping tabs on this person so I can see or to make me happy that they wore it. I'm genuinely have never been that about a gift. Like, I give it. I'm like, in that moment, they're like, oh, thank you so much, and it's cute. And then that's it. And if I see it later, I'm like, oh, work. You wore the thing or you did the thing.

[B]

And I'm not like, about, about maybe 20 minutes ago, you were asking me about my ring. And my ring.

[C]

Well, because you said. Because you said that every time someone gives you something to take a picture, I'm like, oh, I don't remember that. But I wasn't like, I'm just saying

[B]

you said you would never take tabs on it. And then about 20 minutes, because I was trying to. In this conversation, you brought up three different gifts that you got me, and you were asking me about when I bought.

[C]

Because you were saying that every, you said, like, you said, every time someone gives me something, I take a Picture and I send it you to, I show them. I'm like, oh, I remember sending me that. What about those things? But it wasn't like, I, I didn't start a conversation like, bob, I got you a gift and you never wore it. You said, guys, every time someone gets me something, I take a picture and I send it to them so they know that I wore it. I'm like, oh, I don't remember that.

[B]

Interesting.

[C]

What about you? Have you ever given someone a gift and they didn't, and they didn't like, like it or it didn't wasn't received?

[B]

Well, I literally just told you about the time. We've, we've literally discussed this sweater, I think a thousand times on this podcast.

[C]

Okay, besides this one, what about outside the sweater in your perception? What about something else? Another person?

[B]

I, I, I've also mentioned on the podcast time that I gave Katya a pair of Louboutins that were gifted to me, a pair of Wendy Williams Louboutins, and she wore them in the sand on the beach. And I was like, oh, I, that's not how I thought you would use these. And I was like, this is, this is shocking. And I think also you remember, I remember you were saying like that that was that you thought my take was weird. But I think that I still this day think that if you give someone something and then you see them using it in a way that would like destroy it. You'd be like, what? Like me? Anyway, if I, if I give someone a gift and they literally use it in a way that literally is like ruining the gift intentionally. That is very odd behavior.

[C]

Did you know, did you know they were real? Did you know they were real Loubouts? Did you know they were real Louboutins or you think she thought they were? Like, there was this brand that used to sell red bottoms. Like they would sell you like high heel shoes that were painted or not painted, were red on the bottom and they look like Loubout. Like, did she think they were like authentic genuine Louboutins or she thought they were just some shoe that you give her for a gig or were you like, girl, I got these Wendy Williams Louboutins. You want them?

[B]

Yeah. Also, was she like I told her,

[C]

was she like, why me?

[B]

I told her the holes are the Louboutins and I asked her what size shoe she was because they can, it's very Cinderella and anyone can. Only people who wear this shoe size can we. Too small for me. Plot twist. My feet are bigger than Wendy Williams and Katya and Wendy Williams have the exact same shoe size. So I gave. So I called. I was on the phone with Katya, and I remember it, and we were talking. She was in somewhere. She was shopping, and she was, like, shopping for shoes. And she, like, mentioned her. And I said, well, what size shoe are you, actually? And then she told me, and I was like, bitch, I have a pair

[C]

of shoes for you.

[B]

We have a gig together soon. I'm gonna give you these shoes, and you can, like, use these shoes for this thing. Do you still. How do you feel about the idea of giving someone a gift and them, like, using it in a way that could, like, ruin or harm the gift?

[C]

How about two ways about it? One, well, because, like, to me, it's different. I mean. I mean, not completely different, but, like, you don't, like, buy these shoes. But, yes, they were yours to give away. So, I mean, I guess it is weird that she did wear them on the beach. But, like, if it was. If you, like, went to Louboutins when you purchased these shoes and they were like, maybe it's too small for you, you couldn't return them. He gave it to Katya. I say, I guess then maybe she was like, oh, bitch, he didn't buy these shoes. I don't know.

[B]

I mean, do you think it's about the money?

[C]

It's not about the money. I just feel like it loses its value when you're like, you didn't, like, go and buy these shoes. Like, if you went to Louboutin and bought me a pair of sho. And they're like, hey, Monet, I bought these for you. I would be like, oh, my God, this is so nice. Also, maybe Katya just doesn't. Katya is strange. Katya doesn't put value on the shoes. She's like. She's like, maybe Katya's shoes are shoes. You know what I mean? Like, some people.

[D]

Really.

[C]

There are some people out there, like, Louboutins are like the Birkins of shoes. Like, you get a Louboutin, they will cherish these shoes. They will get the bottom. Get that little slope on the bottom. They, like, treat them like they're gilded and gold. There's some people, like, bitch, they issues the damn shoes to some people to certain people. And Katya seems like those type of people seems like that type of person, clearly.

[B]

So let's say you gave the sweater to someone and they gave what sweater to? Like, the sweater, Monet. Oh, the sweater I gave you. And then they Used it to, like. I don't know, like, they were, like, painting, and they're like, oh, I just want to put this. I just put this on. So I don't want to get my clothes underneath dirty or whatever. And they were, like, painting in the sweater and getting paint on it. Would you be like, oh, that's a weird way to use a sweater, even though you didn't go buy it yourself. Like, I got it for you, so that maybe. So I'm thinking they'd be like, well, Monat ink sweater.

[C]

I would say it was weird. So you're saying. So are you saying that, like, not. I didn't get this, like. Are you saying, like. Like, I got this custom sweater made for someone. I gave it.

[B]

It's the sweater. No, it's the sweater. It's literally the sweater.

[C]

Okay, so you got this sweater for me.

[B]

I gave you the sweater.

[C]

You gave me the sweater, and then I went to go paint in it. I feel like that is completely inappropriate.

[B]

No, you give the sweater to someone. So I'm trying to recreate the idea of the Louboutins. So the Louboutins were a gift to me. They did not fit me, so I gave them to someone else. So I gave you the sweater. You give the sweater to someone else because you're like, oh, it just doesn't fit me properly. You give it to, I don't know, Andy. If it's Andy perfectly. And he's like, oh, I'll use it to paint. I'll use, like, paint. He's like, getting paint on it. Is that. Would you be like, does that. I don't know if that. If that analogy works.

[C]

I mean, this is not the exact same. It's not the exact same situation. But I would be like, that's weird. I was like, did you paint that? I would think that was weird. I wouldn't be upset. I'll be like, that's really weird to use this one that way. I wouldn't be, like, mad about it. I'm like, work. But again, these are Wendy Williams shoes that Wendy Williams wore for, like. I mean, maybe there's more value in them because they're celebrity shoes, and maybe you can get money from them because they're Wendy Williams shoes. But. Yeah.

[B]

Well, there. I don't even know how much the shoes cost. They were just a. A friend of mine who used to come to my shows at hardware got Willie as a gift.

[C]

Yeah, Willie Sinclair, who was Wendy's stylist. He's now Sherri shepherd, stylist.

[B]

On the Sherry show got them for me as a gift for being on RuPaul's Drag Race. And I was like, oh, my God. I remember I tried to wear them, like, once or twice. And I was like, these shoes. I can. I just cannot get these shoes on my feet. No matter how hard I try, these shoes will not. Will not go on my feet. It's just not happening. And then I was like, well, I do want these shoes to have a. Like, a life after this. I ended up gifting them to someone else. Now, today, I don't know where those shoes are. I have no clue what, when, where, or why those shoes are. But if you want to see them, Katya wore them in. Actually, I don't think she ended up wearing them because I. Because I can't remember she wore them. I think she wore them for, like, one scene. We were like. We were like, on the beach, and she was, like, doing this bit where she would dig her heels into the sand and her toes would point, like, directly up, and she would, like, walk like that on the beach. And then I think. I can't remember if it was in the dressing room or we were, like, filming, and she was like, these are the shoes you got me. And I was like, what? And she's like, these are the Louboutins you gave me. And I was like, in the sand, also weird. And she was like, what?

[C]

Also weird to me because I never knew you and Katya to be close. I feel like of all your friends, I'm like, they have so many other ones, like, pixie. Like, so many of the people who would be like, oh, my God, Louboutins. Like, I never knew. I never knew you and Kazi would be so closely.

[B]

To give her, like, an exactly Katia size. So, like, a lot of my friends, they can't wear the shoe because it's like, you literally have to be the exact shoe size. I was on the phone.

[C]

I get it.

[B]

Katya had. Katya just explained to me that she. That we were talking about shoes. And then I was like, oh, I'll see you soon. I can get you these shoes because I'm gonna see you in, like, a week.

[C]

It's just such a good. Louboutins are such a. I would, like. I would, like, hold out until, like, a friend who was like, who's really close to me, and I would, like, give them these really nice shoes.

[B]

Well, that is not what I did. I gave him the Katia. And then I. Then I think she may have, like, swapped out the shoes for another pair. When I was like, what? On the beach. So if you watch. Gay watch. If you type in Bob the Drag Queen Katya. Gay. Gay watch. You will. You'll probably see the shoe. Like, hey. I don't even remember if the shoes made it to the beach or not. It was so long ago. It was so long ago. We were in Fort Lauderdale on the beach, wearing the actual outfits from Baywatch, which is so funny. And then I think one of the jackets went missing. And these outfits were insured for, like, thousands of dollars. And then, like, one of the outfits was, like, missing, like, left on the beach or something. And they tried to get me and Cop to be like, you guys have to blah, blah, blah. And we were like, aren't they insured? Like, we're not like, what are you. Why are you coming for us? Because they were like this. They were, like, holding up. They're like, this is from the movie. This is insured for, like, $50,000 or some. Some amount.

[C]

And we're like, insurance, bitch. Get a new one made. Also, I'm not inside a wardrobe.

[B]

I mean, I can't remember what they. I. I can't remember what.

[C]

I don't.

[D]

I don't.

[B]

I don't remember how they resolved the issue of the check your bank account. It was literally just.

[C]

Because they definitely got you.

[B]

It was literally just. It was literally just like a little. A little jacket that was, like, thrown over the. I don't even know if we ended up wearing them because they made us look kind of frumpy.

[C]

So I.

[B]

We just. We just wore the bathing suits, which is so funny because they gave me this bathing suit that this, like, tiny cisgendered woman wore for me to put on on this beach. I was like, y' all are wild.

[C]

I mean, y'. All. Let's get there. The body's a kid.

[B]

I mean, I fit into it after some extreme duress and. And some extreme squeezing and. I mean, sk. We zing. And I was a lot skinnier then than I am right now. I do not know how I got into that garment, but, baby, I got into it. And again, if you type in Gaywatch, Bob the Drag Queen and Katya, you will see these. These, like, expensive outfits that cost somebody, I think, a couple of thousand dollars. A couple of dozen thousand dollars, because we. Someone this year, someone misplaced a piece. Do what?

[C]

Does your eye make noise when you scratch it?

[B]

I don't scratch it that hard.

[C]

Everyone always gags, like, is that your eye? I'm like, yeah. Can you hear this?

[B]

I mean I've been around you and I've heard it before.

[C]

It just feels so good to scratch your eye like that.

[B]

Usually if I scratch my eye, it's like this. I go. But I don't normally do a lot of commotion. That would make my eye like right in the corner. That seems dangerous.

[C]

Well, you know, I do a lot of things that are dangerous. Bitch. We are. We use weave bond glue on your eyes to put our lashes on. That's dangerous too. But here we are. Well, I use frozen said use me.

[B]

They say it's dangerous, but I don't really think it is because I've literally been doing it consistently for 14 years and nothing has ever happened to me. They say it's dangerous, but there's just. There just feels like there's no proof in that pudding. I think putting it in your eye.

[C]

I think people who do parking on buildings and that's dangerous. Just because they don't die doesn't mean it's not dangerous.

[B]

But they get, but they get injuries. They. Almost all of them have injuries. Almost every single one of them has injuries.

[C]

Oh, you also wear glasses.

[B]

That's not. I've been wearing glasses. I was four years old.

[C]

Maybe it's done some more damage. You haven't even noticed.

[B]

That's probably not true.

[C]

I don't know how that works. Also, we're not chemists. If the thing says do not put near this or is dangerous when I'm sure that the people who are chemists who do work on these things have done the research and the reason why they say it's dangerous for your eyes.

[B]

All I'm saying is I've been doing 14 years of research and my. And I have, I have never had an injury. I've never been like, ah. I've never had a single anything. I'm not telling folks to go do it. All I'm saying is I've been doing it for 14, I have 14 years of hard research, cold hard statistics on this subject matter.

[C]

I want to say simmer. We do not endorse using weave bond glue on your eyes. Please. We are not saying that you should do that. Do use your own judgment when it comes to those things. We are not saying do that. Also when you put weave on glue on your lash, it literally when you first put it on there. But your eyes are watering, your eyes are tingle from the burn. So there is definitely something going on. It happened to me when I used to use it. I would get almost like when you put a mint near your eye. That kind of menthol feeling happens in my eyes when I would put it.

[B]

That doesn't happen to me. But again, I'm not telling you all to use beef blunt. I'm just saying I use it. And I've never had a problem with it for me. But I can say that the bottle says, do not do that. And I'm telling you that you probably should not do that. But maybe this is one of those areas where I'm just kind of like. I don't know. I think it's supposed to be if you get it in your eye. But I also know people who. I know people who can't use. Who can't even use Duo. Like, I know people who can't. Whose eyes are so sensitive, they can't even use duo because their skin. I mean, you know, your eyelid is the. Is the thinnest skin on your entire body.

[C]

Yeah. I mean, I didn't know that, but that makes sense.

[B]

So when you're doing all this, it's like you can tear it so easily. I go see my thinnest skin on your whole body. And I think your thickest skin is like your hill or something. I think that probably varies from person to person. I'm sure someone probably has a thick elbow or, you know, a rough patch on their shoulder or something.

[C]

But.

[B]

But yeah, I know people who like. I know people who like eyeshadow burns them, but also glitter glue really burn like glitter glue. Like, I have, like, three nights in a row, and I'm like, I cannot wear glitter again. Different things affect different people.

[C]

Not me. The lit one. My eye before, like, my regular eye. Two years ago was my. No, like three years ago, was that purple smoky. The purple glue. I used to do it every day, and I used to. The lit. Cosmetic glitter glue is really great.

[B]

The clear one, that's what I use.

[C]

The white one is like super. The white one is like the super duper, duper whole. That means you do not want to get glitter off for the next two days. But the one in the. In the. In the clear yellow one, that's when I used to use daily in. I was fine with that one.

[B]

That's what I used to. Kim put me onto that because I used to. What did I used to use before? I don't even remember what I used to use.

[C]

He used to use Liquiset.

[B]

Yeah, Liquiset. I might actually switch over to using lash glue, because I know a lot of girls who use. Or clear mascara. I also know girls who use clear mascara to put glitter on as well. But something about the lit glitter glue. And I'm not, this is not a decade lit glitter glue. I'm just saying for me personally, after a few uses, I'm like, my eyelids are on fire. So, you know, obviously all of our bodies have different chemicals or different varying amounts of the same chemicals that could, they could have different reactions to different substances coming back.

[C]

And on that note of Glutaglue, I

[A]

think we've done it.

[C]

Roberta Another episode of Selling Rivalry Podcast.

[D]

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