The One About Icons

Summary

Sibling Rivalry — “The One About Icons” (August 6, 2025)

Episode Overview

In this lively and hilarious episode of Sibling Rivalry, Bob the Drag Queen and Monét X Change dive deep into the elusive question: What makes someone an “icon”? Reflecting on their place in drag and pop culture, the duo attempts to build a metric, assigning points for achievements like awards, Billboard hits, and sold-out shows — all to determine who truly deserves icon status. The episode is a wild ride, full of shady banter, messy math, and fascinating pop culture commentary, as they vet artists like Troye Sivan, SZA, and Weird Al Yankovic against their homebrewed criteria.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. What is an Icon? (01:51–04:00)

• Self-Assessment: The episode opens with Bob and Monét asking each other if they consider themselves icons, and what makes someone iconic — particularly within drag and pop music.

  • Monét: “I think my contributions to the drag community specifically, I think it made me iconic. I think that I move about the world as an iconic person… I am definitely a thick icon for sure.” (02:04)
  • Bob: Playfully presses Monét with “Is Jinx an icon?”, exploring how accomplishments define the status.

• Drag Icons Discussed:

  • Jinkx Monsoon, Bebe Zahara Benet, and Raja are all cited as icons, with Bob particularly praising Raja's fashion knowledge as unmatched (03:17).

2. Icon Status in Drag vs. Pop Music (04:00–06:38)

• The Different Bars: Bob argues becoming an icon appears easier in drag than in music, due to the smaller size of the drag community.
• Male Pop Star Drought: Monét points out the relative scarcity of male pop icons today compared to female ones, stating, “I can maybe think of only two male pop stars currently, which is so crazy.” (04:26)
• Icon Criteria Begin Taking Shape: The hosts discuss whether popularity, impact, and achievements like awards are necessary to reach icon status.

3. Award Wins & the EGOT Obsession (08:09–11:59)

• Awards as Metrics: The duo debates which awards matter — is an EGOT (Emmy, Grammy, Oscar, Tony) necessary, or is feeling like an icon enough?

  • Monét: “I don't know if you have to have an award, but I kind of like, diva is like a feeling. Like someone just feels like an icon.” (09:02)
  • Bob: Pushes for a more empirical approach, asking, “So do you have to have awards to be an icon? I would say so you have to have an award.” (08:53)

• Origins of the EGOT: The term’s history is traced from 1984 (Philip Michael Thomas) but popularized by 30 Rock (09:54).

• Hierarchy of Awards: Bob claims a Nobel Prize would outweigh an NAACP Image Award, to Monét's mock outrage (11:19).

4. Math Blunders & International Drag Race Game (12:19–21:15)

• Icon or Not: The hosts and producer Jacob play a guessing game: Is this a real drag queen or an international Drag Race winner? This sparks iconic shade and confusion about international winners, highlighting the global spread (and resulting obscurity) of Drag Race royalty.

• Memorable moment: Monét on unfamiliar names: “Sorry to this woman…I do not know who this is.” (12:50)

• Math Mishaps: A running joke emerges about both hosts’ shaky grasp of “weeks in a year” and calculating point systems (47:42–48:49).

5. Creating the Official Icon Metric (22:00–50:30)

• Point System for Pop Icons:

  • The hosts try to assign “icon points” to different achievements, laboriously negotiating each value:
    • Grammys: 15 points each (settled after debate)
    • Oscars (music): 20 points for musicians, 15 if won for acting as a musician; further nuance for acting vs. music by field (43:43–43:55)
    • Tonys: 25 points (for performance)
    • Emmys: 10 points
    • Other Awards (VMAs, NAACP, BET, etc.): 5 points each
    • Peabody: 2.5 points (after much haggling)
    • NYT Bestseller: 1 point

• Sales & Chart Success:

  • Selling Out MSG: 5 points each time
  • Stadium Tours: 30 points per tour
  • Arena Tours: 15 points per tour
  • Billboard Number One Song: 5 points +1 for each additional week
  • Billboard Number One Album: 10 points +2 per additional week

• Threshold for Icon Status: Initially 100 points, but they consider lowering the bar as they realize even stars like Troye Sivan may fall short.

• Sample Applications: Troye Sivan racks up about 55 “icon points”; SZA and Weird Al are tested for icon status, with SZA easily surpassing the threshold due to multiple Grammys (58:07–58:54).

• Cheeky Metrics: Shade flies as they debate if doing stadium pop-ins vs. full tours should “count”, and whether guest spots on tours like Madonna’s are worth “half a point" (41:51).

6. Open Questions/Faults with the System (Shortcomings) (64:28–65:01)

• The hosts acknowledge the metric has flaws and needs future refinement, especially as some pop legends breeze through the point system while others come surprisingly close to “icon” status.
• Monét: “I think there are some flaws in it. I think we can figure some stuff out.” (64:38)
• The plan: Next is to build a drag queen specific metric, depending on listener feedback.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

On Body Image and Identity:

• “I am definitely a thick icon for sure. I will always. I don’t care if I lose 100 more pounds, I will always be a thicc icon, period.” — Monét X Change (02:15)

On Award Hierarchies:

• “I think that a Nobel Prize carries more weight than NAACP award work. And honestly, I don’t even, I don’t think anyone would debate me on that.” — Bob the Drag Queen (11:22)

On Meaning of Icon Status:

• “Like, who decided the EGOT thing?” — Monét X Change (09:31)
• “I feel like maybe we need to take some tips from ballroom and give some metrics of how we measure divas and icons.” — Monét X Change (08:23)

On Math Woes:

• “Well, it is crazy that you thought that 400 weeks was not 7 years. Anyway, we both have obviously made some ridiculous math blunders regarding weeks and years.” — Bob the Drag Queen (48:37)

On Tour Points:

• “Half a point for getting my name on the marquee of five sold out shows.” — Bob the Drag Queen (41:56)
• “No, that counts for nothing." — Monét X Change (41:41)

On System Flaws:

• “I think there are some flaws in it. I think we can figure some stuff out.” — Monét X Change (64:38)

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Important Segment Timestamps

• Icon Definitions / Is X an Icon?: 01:51–04:00
• Debate: Pop Star vs Drag Icon: 04:00–06:38
• Award Value & EGOT Discussion: 08:09–11:59
• Game: Real or Fake International Drag Race Winners: 18:27–21:55
• Building the Point System: 22:00–50:30
• Testing Artists (Troye Sivan, SZA, Weird Al): 51:00–64:05
• Wrap-up, System Flaws Note: 64:34–65:06

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Episode Flow & Tone

The episode is playful, fast-moving, and full of the duo's trademark shade and camaraderie. Their attempt to codify “icon status” is both tongue-in-cheek and remarkably structured, showing their deep engagement with pop, drag, and awards culture. If you love RuPaul’s Drag Race, pop divas, and lively queer banter, this one delivers.

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For Further Episodes

The hosts hint at developing a drag-specific “icon metric” in the future, inviting listeners to comment and provide feedback on their “icon points” system.

Transcript

[Jacob]

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[Monet X Change]

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[Bob the Drag Queen]

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[Jacob]

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[Monet X Change]

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[Bob the Drag Queen]

My name is Bob the Drag Queen.

[Monet X Change]

And I'm Monet's James.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

And this is simply rivalry.

[Monet X Change]

On this week's episode, we find out how many international drag race queens we know.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

We decide what makes a pop star an icon.

[Monet X Change]

And we find find out what made Bob say this.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

We both have obviously made some ridiculous math blunders. And we find out what made Monae say this.

[Monet X Change]

Nigga, you not manipulating mean motherfucker.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Hello, macaroni x cheese.

[Monet X Change]

Hello, slob. The Drag Queen.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Are you an icon?

[Monet X Change]

Um, I think so.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

You think so?

[Monet X Change]

Icon. Icon. Can I get an icon? Icon? I think so.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

What makes you iconic?

[Monet X Change]

I think my contributions to the drag community specifically, I think it made me iconic. I think that I move about the world as an iconic person and I try to embody that. Yeah, I'm a thick icon. That is true. I am definitely. Jacob just showed a picture of my merch that says, baby, I'm a thick icon. I'm definitely a thick icon for sure. I will always. I don't care if I lose 100 more pounds, I will always be a thicc icon, period.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Is Jinx an icon?

[Monet X Change]

I think Jinx is definitely iconic. I mean, look at this.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

What makes her iconic? What makes her iconic?

[Monet X Change]

I think her contributions to drag and honestly and making such a splash in the way that she has on Broadway, her show at Carnegie Hall. I think all these things are lending themselves to her status as an iconic queen in history.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Is Bebe Zahara B' Naian icon?

[Monet X Change]

Of course. She's the first one to Drag Race. You can't get much more iconic than winning the first season of one of the greatest reality show competition. Reality competition shows of all time.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I'm gonna keep going until I get to someone who you say is not an icon.

[Monet X Change]

Who do you think is an icon?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

The game where he's asking me if someone is an icon.

[Monet X Change]

Do you think Raja's an icon?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Oh, 100%. Ra' Jah is an icon. Down she is. I've said this before. Ra', Jah, in my opinion, understands fashion better than anyone who has ever been on Drag Race. This includes judges, this includes queens, this includes cameraman. This includes everyone. She understands fashion, in my opinion, better than pretty much anyone who's ever been on this show.

[Monet X Change]

You're staying at the. You staying at the Virgin Hotel in New York?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Are you doxing me?

[Monet X Change]

Are you gonna be. You're not gonna be there by the time this releases. Why do you care?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

You don't know where I'll be. You're not gonna be back. And I'm not at the Virgin. I'm at the Slut Hotel. No one here's a virgin, honey. All sluts here, honey. So is. Is Troye Sivan an iconic Troye Sivan?

[Monet X Change]

I don't know if he's icon status yet. Especially, I think. I think icon has to do with your field. Right? Like Troye Sivan, I don't think the icon in his field as of yet. I can't think of many. Okay, that's not true. There are some male pop stars, but like, present day, first of all, there aren't a lot of male pop stars I can think of, but you should

[Bob the Drag Queen]

be able to name 10 male pop stars off top of your head.

[Jacob]

No way.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

They don't have to present day. They can just be in general.

[Monet X Change]

Yeah, in general. I'm talking about present day. I think if present day I could name fucking 50 female ones. I can. I can maybe think of only two male pop stars currently, which is so crazy. Like, I feel like the male pop star kind of just dwindled.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

If Troy Savon was here on this podcast, would you look him in his face and tell him he's not an icon?

[Monet X Change]

Yeah.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Oh, so you bad cuz I'm bad.

[Jacob]

I'm bad.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

You're badass, huh? Is Charlie X an icon?

[Monet X Change]

No.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

So just two uniconic people just touring together, doing msg. Uniconically.

[Monet X Change]

Correct.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Just at Master Garden. Completely uniconically. So what do you have to do in their field to become an icon? Because the bar seems lower for people who aren't in their field. It seems like it's easier to become a drag queen icon than it is to become a pop star icon.

[Monet X Change]

Well, our community is so small, right. I think that drag queens. Obviously, there are a lot of drag queens, but I mean, I'm very curious what the numbers are when you look at, like, the drag queen community. Like, how. How small is our community? Is our community small? I. I feel like it's small, but I mean, I was over here.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

They're probably more. Actually, I would know. Like, when I think about, like, pop stars versus drag queens, there are so many of us. There's 600 of us out in the world just from. That's just from Drag Race. Solamente. Drag Race.

[Monet X Change]

But also, but, but, but, but, but. I mean, but not all drag queens are like. Yeah, but then, then, then I think the ratio you're looking for at is like, drag queens versus, like, there are a lot of singer, singer, dancer, singer types. They may not be pop stars yet, but they are. Because not every drag queen is. You know, some queens are local queens who have no aspirations of being global or whatever. So I think you have to. The ratio is more of drag queens to singer dancers, which I think the ratio. We're still way. They're way less drag queens than singer dancers out there.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

So what does it say? What does a singer, dancer, what does a pop star have to do to become iconic? I'm gonna see if Troye Yvonne is iconic in your. By your metric.

[Monet X Change]

I don't know. I haven't given it much thought, to be honest.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Well, I mean, but, but, like, there's got to be something. There's got to be some litmus. It doesn't have to be set in stone. I'm just trying to find out. It's not a gotcha. I'm trying to find out.

[Monet X Change]

I know. You know, I'm just saying I haven't. I'm literally thinking about it a lot.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

He's done movies.

[Monet X Change]

I've never. I've never thought about this movie.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Yeah, he's on major movies. He was in X Men Origins. He was in.

[Monet X Change]

Oh, my God. He played Young Wolverine, like, year. Like, he was like a baby, right?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

He was in Trolls Band together.

[Monet X Change]

Wait, how old was he when he did. When he did Wolverine?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

It was in 2009 and he's 29 now. So this is 20 years ago. So he was nine.

[Monet X Change]

Wait, what?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

It was. It's no 2005. It's not 2009. It's 2005. It was in 2009. He is 29.

[Monet X Change]

No, wait, it's on. He's saying 2005. 2025.

[Jacob]

He was 13.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Thank you. I said. I said it's 2005. It was in 2009. He is 29.

[Monet X Change]

It's not 2005.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

No, it was in 2009. It is 2025.

[Monet X Change]

Here we go.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

He was 29.

[Monet X Change]

You were just out of. You were out of a whole year. Everybody's confused. So you're like, it's 2022. I went to the store in 2023, and I moved to New York, nigga.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

What? So he's been in. He's been in major motion pictures. Would that be something that would contribute to icon status?

[Monet X Change]

Yeah, I think so.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Okay, let's look at any awards he's won.

[Monet X Change]

Like, for example, is Iggy Azalea. Azalea Banks an icon? I think that she's made iconic music, so I would say, is it an icon? But Azealia Banks does not have a lot of critical acca. Critical accame. Critical acclaim.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

She doesn't have any critical cocaine.

[Monet X Change]

She probably has a lot of that.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

He's got YouTube Music Awards. He's got GLAAD Awards. He's got ARIA Music Award. MTV Europe Music Awards, Shorty Award. I don't know what that is. Teen Choice Awards.

[Monet X Change]

This is.

[Jacob]

This is.

[Monet X Change]

This is low key. Just our diva conversation. We're just saying the word diva to icon. You see, in ballroom, they have a metric to measure these things. They literally have legend stars, icon, legend, statement stars. Like, they have. And so I had Deshawn Wesley on my. On when they talked to me talking about that. And, like, there was, like, a metric that you like. You talk about how people get there. I feel like maybe we need to take. Take some tips from ballroom and give some metrics of how we measure divas and icons.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

So we're. Yeah, so. So we're trying to build a metric now. So do you have to have awards to be an icon? I would say so you have to have an award.

[Monet X Change]

I see it. But you see kind of like diva, I think icon. Just like a feeling.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

So what award do you have to have, though?

[Monet X Change]

I don't know, but I'm just saying I don't. I don't know if you have that. I don't know if you have to have an award, but I kind of like, diva is like a feeling. Like someone just feels like an icon, not diva icon. Because if it's awards, I'm judging by the same thing.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I know, but I'm just saying if it. If it is awards, if it's the big four, you're going to kick Nicki Minaj out of the icon status. The big four egot. If the awards is one of the big fours, you're going to kick Nicki Minaj out of the icon status.

[Monet X Change]

Also, who does. Like, who, like, who decided the egot thing?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Like, when did that become a thing on 30 Rock?

[Monet X Change]

30 Rock? The show. The Tina Fey show.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Yeah. Tracy Morgan's character won, I think. I'm pretty sure the term EGOT was coined by the writers who wrote this character. And he had. He's going toward egot status. He wants to be an egot. I'm pretty sure Jacob can look it up, but I'm pretty sure that's where it came from. He got.

[Monet X Change]

Is a relatively new thing then, because 30 Rock was what, maybe 20 years ago, if that. 15.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Yeah, they weren't saying he got in the 70 in the. In the fucking 40s.

[Monet X Change]

I thought it was older than I thought it was, like, from, like the 80s. Like, I don't know.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I'm not 100% sure. I'm almost positive that it came from Dirty Rock. With the episode where Tracy Morgan was trying to build an egot and get EGOT status, I'm almost positive Jacob's looking it up.

[Monet X Change]

That seems so random. The term EGOT referring to. No, the term egot referring to winning an Emmy Grammy was coined in the late 19. In the. In the late 1984 by actor Philip Michael Thomas, who expresses desire to achieve this feat after rising to fame from his role in Miami Vice. Yes, it's from the 80s.

[Jacob]

Yes. It's a couple of things. That's when it was first, like, mentioned. But 30 Rock was responsible for bringing it into public, like, public culture and knowledge. So people weren't really talking about egots. Actors weren't trying to, like, quote unquote, get an EGOT until 30 rock kind of brought the concept and the thought of it back.

[Monet X Change]

Got it.

[Jacob]

So they didn't create it, but they popularized it.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Ross Hernandez has coined the term queega. When you get a queerty Emmy, Grammy, Oscar, Tony, and there's a p. Got when you get a Peabody, Emmy, Grammy, Oscar, Tony, and then there's a negotiation when you were or Nobel Prize winner, I was gonna go, really up there.

[Jacob]

Wow.

[Monet X Change]

So you're saying NAACP Image Awards are shit. They don't mean nothing.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I think that a Nobel Prize carries more weight than NAACP award work. And honestly, I don't even. I don't think anyone would debate me on that.

[Monet X Change]

Okay.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Unless you're trying to debate me on that, I lose.

[Monet X Change]

That the question you answered it. Got it. And it's what do you think? And so NAACP Image, y' all heard.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Answer the question. What do you think?

[Monet X Change]

Bob said y' all wore this shit. He don't want one.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I mean, if. If my options are to get that or. Or Nobel Prize. I mean, I don't know what you get Nobel Prizes for, like peace and science and literature and humanitarianism, but I think that's the Peace prize. So I'm certainly not getting a science award anytime soon. I'm sure I'm not getting any peace awards anytime soon.

[Monet X Change]

You definitely won't get any peace because you are. You are causing anarchy and chaos.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

And I don't want. It is not something women in my family aspire to anyhow.

[Monet X Change]

Peace isn't. Got it.

[Jacob]

Congeniality, physics, chemistry, physiology, medicine, peace. Not you. Or maybe. Or literature.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I could maybe get a literature Nobel Award one day. Maybe. Who are some recipients of literature Nobel Prizes? Nobel Prizes for literature. Who are some of the recipients?

[Monet X Change]

I think Maya Angelou is. And I think Toni Morrison is.

[Jacob]

Let's see. I do not know any of these people. Oh, my goodness.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Sorry to this man.

[Jacob]

I can pull up the list of names. I have not heard of a single one of these people. I'm so sorry to this man.

[Monet X Change]

Okay, that is the one. Keep on. That shit is so funny. I am sorry to this man. I do not know who this is.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Wasn't it. Wasn't it Tyler Perry too?

[Jacob]

Bob Dylan. Bob Dylan won for literature in 2016.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Got it. Bob Dylan has one. So, okay, so are awards part of icon status?

[Monet X Change]

I think they're a contributing factor.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

So which awards?

[Monet X Change]

I think if you are a singer, right? Maybe a Grammy contributes to icon status. Okay. I think that awards can further. I think awards can place you there, but they're not the only determining factor that makes sense, right? Like, give me a few points. If you have won nothing else and you just win a Grammy, I think that makes sure. Because so many. So few people have won Grammys, right?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Who I think winning. That's not true. They give out so many Grammys every year. In terms of people win Grammys, there are more Grammy winners than there are Drag Race winners. It is. I'm going to arguably say you are more likely to win a Grammy than you are to win Drag Race.

[Monet X Change]

I mean, but that's. But that's skewed because you. Only way to win a. Only way to win Drag Race, because there is to be a drag queen, and there are literally.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

And to be on RuPaul's Drag Race, too.

[Monet X Change]

There's such a.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

It's such a.

[Monet X Change]

That is such a what? Probably less than fucking 1% of the population. Whereas there are way more than that. Making music and who try to win Grammys. Like, it's just.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

You don't have to make music to win a Grammy.

[Monet X Change]

Say it again.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

You don't have to make music to win a Grammy or a comedy album

[Monet X Change]

or whatever it is. Like, you have to make your book you can win for an audiobook.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Right.

[Monet X Change]

So you're just adding. So. So the number of people you have added to win Grammys, it is astronomically more than people who are drag queens.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I agree. So what I'm saying is I. I do think that statistically people are more. All I'm saying is, statistically, you are more likely to win a Grammy than Drag Race. You actually, you are more likely to run into a Grammy Award winner than you are a Drag Race winner. In fact, on the last tour, I did. Not the last tour, but on the Madonna tour, there were more Grammy winners than there were Drag Race winners.

[Monet X Change]

Who won. Who won drag. Who won Grammys on her thing?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Madonna won a Grammy. And one to one, you and Madonna and her. Her. Her sound design, Lauren. Her. Her sound producer also won me for working on SZA's album.

[Monet X Change]

Well, actually, but on some nights. No. Cause on other night, it was you, Violet, and. What's that girl name? Trixie. And you. Yeah. So sometimes it was literally, it was one to one.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

But also, I'm not sure who else won a Grammy because I didn't know that Lauryn had two Grammys. Two Grammys until, like, halfway till, like, our last month, it was when the Grammys happened, I was like, oh, my God, congrats. You won a Grammy. And she was like, it's my second Grammy, actually. And I was like, oh, shit. I don't even know who else there had a Grammy. Hell if I know.

[Monet X Change]

And you also don't know who else won Drag Race.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I know. Unless one of these international girls showed

[Monet X Change]

up to say, if an international girl role, then you have no idea who she is. Dani Beard is like, hello, hello, hello, babes.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

It's me. I would know Dani Beard. If I saw her, I'd be like, is that A sister of perpetual indulgence. Or is that Danny Beard?

[Monet X Change]

So. So, so somebody's episode. It's literally one to one Dragon tour in a su to Grammy winners.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

But they were. But we were often outnumbered by the Grammy winners. Never did the Drag Race winners outnumber the Grammy winners ever. Not once. And amongst them, they have more Grammys than we have Drag Race crowns. Because each of. I think Madonna has three Grammys and she has. And Lauren has two. There were five Grammys on tour with us.

[Monet X Change]

Well, that's because. Jinx, cuz. Jinx. If Jinx was there, honey, she would have. She would have. She would have. She would have a Grammy.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Oh. Cause she had her two crowns. I was saying she should do a photo shoot with her hair and two buns and a crown on each side. I don't know why she didn't do that.

[Monet X Change]

Well, that's what you want to do. That's what you told us you wanted to do if you wanted to die. So why. Why you try to put your.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I'm never gonna do. Go back and do it. So I'm like she. Someone should. Someone should do it. There's only one person right now who could do it.

[Monet X Change]

Bob, give it. The idea that you had that you wanted to do. Doesn't even seem like Jinx.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Yeah, no, it doesn't. Or just have a two tier system. A crown and then another hive and then a crown on top of that one.

[Monet X Change]

But I think she should do a Cornrows.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I think that. Okay, so we'll play a game.

[Jacob]

We're going to take a break. Sorry, we just take a break.

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[Jacob]

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[Bob the Drag Queen]

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[Bob the Drag Queen]

Also, we're back. So Jacob was wrapping up himself. He was the only one talking. Talk about some.

[Jacob]

I'm going to name a drag queen and you're going to tell. Tell me if this is a queen who I have made up or a winner of an international season of Drag Race.

[Monet X Change]

Screaming oh, my God, they're gonna be mad. Girl. Here we go. Sorry to this woman.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Here we go.

[Jacob]

Okay. Spanky Jackson.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Spanky Jackson want to show you down under. Work, work.

[Jacob]

Velvet Mirage.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

You made that up.

[Jacob]

Okay, great. How about. Paloma won.

[Monet X Change]

She won Drag Race.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Italy,

[Monet X Change]

Mexico. She won Drag Race, though.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Tell us, Jacob.

[Jacob]

She did. She was France.

[Monet X Change]

France also, it's Paloma.

[Jacob]

Okay, let's do Vanity Vein.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Are you. Are you at the Italian restaurant being like. Mozzarella, Is that you?

[Monet X Change]

I say brisket, and Matteo was like, yes, Monet. Thank you for saying. I'm like, you are. But are you.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Are you at the Italian restaurant? Someone's like. Or even like. No, not Italian restaurant. Are you at Domino's when someone. Can I get extra mozzarella? You like mozzarella, Is that you?

[Monet X Change]

No, I don't do that. But if I had an Italian restaurant, I will pronounce it with an Italian pronunciation.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

All right, go ahead, Jacob.

[Jacob]

Vanity Vane.

[Monet X Change]

Yes. One Drag Race.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

What does she win?

[Monet X Change]

I don't know where, but I've seen her Vanity.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

She won Canada.

[Jacob]

No, that's.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

That's. That's. That's.

[Monet X Change]

That's Priyanka.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Venus. That's Venus. I was thinking Venus. What did she win?

[Jacob]

She did. Oh, this is bad. I'm so sorry, but I'm from. For. This is. I'm very. The seat is sparing. It's another country. I forget what country that is, because it's like the name. It's the country's name for themselves, but it's not like what Americans call. So now I need to. Sweden. She won Drag Race. Sweden.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

You did not spell it at all. You didn't spell it even a little bit.

[Monet X Change]

You just.

[Jacob]

I just googled it.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Wait, I'll be like, wait, Jacob. Don't. You're, like, the answer. All right, wait, so we got it so far.

[Jacob]

You know a lot of these girls. You're doing great.

[Monet X Change]

Fake.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Wait, what's her name?

[Jacob]

Katara Ramy.

[Monet X Change]

Fake. I. I never heard that name before.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I haven't heard it either, but he said it so fast. I'm gonna say fake, too. I'm gonna piggyback off Monet.

[Jacob]

That was fake. Dragzilla Jones.

[Monet X Change]

That's a trick question. She's Dragula.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Is that true?

[Jacob]

No, this isn't the fake name.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I wouldn't know if Dragzilla Jones won drag. I would. I would have heard about Dragzilla Jones by now. That is a very funny name, though.

[Jacob]

Precious. Paula Nicole. Fake.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

That's a real drag queen. But she hasn't won anything.

[Jacob]

No, she was the winner of Drag Race Philippines Season 1.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Got it. All right, give us two more.

[Jacob]

Okay, how about.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Let's see two more.

[Monet X Change]

Two more. She's a. That's a drag. That's a drag. Lip queen, too. Tumor.

[Jacob]

Captivating cat. Cat. No, no, that was Philippine Season 2.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

You better work captivating cat.

[Jacob]

Cat.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

You better work captivating cat. Cat to cat. To the captivating cat.

[Jacob]

Cat.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I said a captivating cap. Cat. The cat Cat. Look at me. I'm the cat. Cat. I said a cap to cap. Cap to cap to cap. Cap to cap to cap.

[Jacob]

Cap. Finally, we have Tyra Spinks.

[Monet X Change]

That is a queen on Drag Race.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I don't believe this one. No, this is the one.

[Jacob]

No, this is. She's not a queen for Drag Race.

[Monet X Change]

Tyra Spank. That's a good drag name, though.

[Jacob]

I like that.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I think so we were gonna. I think I'm gonna. I'm gonna suggest think that right here. During this episode, with Jacob's help, you and I will build the metric for icon status. We will assign points to certain accolades, and we will say there's a certain number of points you have to reach to become an icon.

[Monet X Change]

But is it. Are we doing it per field? I think, like, what makes you comedic. A comedic icon is different than what makes you.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

We all agree. So. So which. So maybe there can be a general icon and then specific ones. Okay, so let's start with pop stars. Let's start with awards. If you have a. If you have a Grammy, in my opinion, that should be worth. Each Grammy is worth. So let's say you have to reach. You have to get a 100 to be a. Let's. Let's set the thing. To become an icon, you have to get a 100. Let's just say that.

[Monet X Change]

Okay.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

And then in my opinion, to be to. If you win a Grammy, each Grammy you have is worth 10 points.

[Monet X Change]

I think 20. I think 20.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Each Grammy's worth 20 points.

[Monet X Change]

Yeah.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Okay.

[Monet X Change]

For example, that year, that fucking. A couple of them, right, Walking out, there were five Grammys. That is. That is like that.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

That.

[Monet X Change]

Because there's one, like every Grammy season, that person holding the five Grammys like this. I think that is iconic. That's. That's.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

But to be fair, if you. If you can get five Grammys, you're probably going to hit every other metric easily. Yeah, every other metric is going to be a cakewalk for you.

[Monet X Change]

Like if. Like if Kendrick Lamar did nothing else, he just did his only claim to fame. Kendrick Lamar was not Catherine.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I was like, Catherine Omar. I was like, who the hell is Catherine Omar?

[Monet X Change]

If he didn't do anything else? Like, last year was his first year he ever put out a song. It was they not like us. And it did what it did. Bitch. You're iconic. That is iconic.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

So you think Billie Eilish is iconic on her first album?

[Monet X Change]

Yeah, that album was great. Is that I'm a bad. That's that album, right?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I'm. I don't. I. I think I'm almost positive it is.

[Monet X Change]

And she had. She had this. She had this picture.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

She had that picture. Yeah, she had. I think she won five Grammys that year. Four. How many did she win for bad guy album? Jacob?

[Jacob]

Yeah, I'm looking. Give me a second.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Okay, so let's. Let's. Let's settle at 15, because 20 might be too much. Then you're gonna throw so many people into the. Into status.

[Monet X Change]

Okay, 15. Okay.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Okay. So Jacob, please write that down. Every Grammy is worth 15 icon points.

[Monet X Change]

That's 75 points before.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

If you get five, how much is a. Is an Oscar worth?

[Monet X Change]

I think the same thing.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I think an Oscar's. I think for me, for a musician, an Oscar is worth 25 points.

[Monet X Change]

But then. But then you change it. So then for an actor, it's worth what, 20?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

No, we're going. Yeah, for actors, it's gonna be for less. Because it is. I think just because there are so few musicians who win Oscars, they give out, like, what, one for album, one for song.

[Monet X Change]

But what about a musician doing an acting role? Like when Jennifer Hudson wanted for Dream

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Doll, that goes towards your acting points.

[Monet X Change]

So Jennifer Hudson is a musician. So she gets a Grammy's 15, but she wins an Oscar because she was. But she's a Musician. Because she was acting. Now that's 20 instead of 25.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

It's complicated. It's a very complicated system we're making. It's a very complicated system. Or you're just giving general Oscar points. Because to win an Oscar for music, in my opinion, just what I'm seeing is. And by the way, I've never done this, but it seems way harder to win an Oscar for music because you're competing with every song in every film that's nominated. Whereas. And, and they're, and it's just one category for all the songs. They're all. It's not like the hip hop movie and the country movie and then the, the, the, the, you know, it's not like that.

[Monet X Change]

Do they do that for. They do like, like, but when you do like best actor, they don't have, they don't have. Do they have subcategories like best actor in a, in a country movie, Best actor.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

That's. No. Which is, Which I'm saying is harder because you're competing with every musical genre within one. That's why we had Dolly Parton versus Three Six Mafia, the year that Hustle and Flow won.

[Monet X Change]

But that's the acting, too. That's why you have Terrence Howard versus whatever in an acting role. Like, it's still, like, you're still. You're always going against every other genre, though.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

But yeah, but no, that's not the issue because there's. They break it up to, like animation. They break it up into short. They break it up into. I don't know if Oscars does. They don't do drama.

[Monet X Change]

Yeah, right. It's not like drama, comedy, horror.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

But they're also gendered, so they break. So the Grammys are not gendered.

[Monet X Change]

Right. Which they should. Oscars, I guess they shouldn't. Should good Grammys be gender.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I think they, I don't think so.

[Monet X Change]

They should add a. They should add an NB category.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I just feel like there's no need to. Because you have, you have non binary Grammy winners already.

[Monet X Change]

I'm saying. But I feel like there should be an NB queer category. I feel like there should be a queer. Because queer music. I mean, again, I mean, I don't want to further separate us, but I

[Bob the Drag Queen]

just feel like, I mean, tell that to Sam Smith. Tell that to Elton John. Tell that to Janelle Monae. Tell that to, you know, all these people. Anyway, okay, so do we want to keep. So do we want to give more points specifically for music Oscars or do we want to just Give one point for. One point for Oscars, because bear in mind, we're working on pop stars right now. We're not talking about actors working on pop stars. We're talking about pop stars right now.

[Monet X Change]

I think that Grammys and Oscars should equally be 15 points. They are the pinnacle of each thing.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Okay, well, Jacob, I need you to weigh in on this, because I think that a music Oscar should be worth 25 points, and Monet thinks it should be worth 15 points. What do you think? Again, we're talking about pop stars here.

[Jacob]

I would keep it a music. I feel like a music Oscar, maybe. Honestly, I guess I would settle in. I'd say it would be 20. So we.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

How do I. 20 points for a musician to have an Oscar?

[Monet X Change]

Sure. Okay. But if the.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

If.

[Monet X Change]

If. If it's specifically a music Oscar as opposed to an acting Oscar, right?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Yeah. I mean, are there a lot of musicians with acting Oscars actually realty.

[Jacob]

I feel like I would do it opposite where I feel like a musician getting an acting Oscar should be worth more icon points because they're doing it in the category out of their thing.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

That's valid.

[Monet X Change]

No, wait, no, but I'm thinking saying, like, as an. As an actor. Right. Like Jennifer Hudson or Cynthia Reeves. Cynthia Riva has an Oscar, right?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Yeah. No, she doesn't.

[Monet X Change]

She.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

That's the one she doesn't have.

[Monet X Change]

Okay.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

He has two nominations, no Oscars.

[Monet X Change]

Right. For what I said. So, Jacob, you're saying 20. 20 points if Jennifer Hudson wins a music Oscar or Jennifer Hudson wins an acting Oscar because she's a musician.

[Jacob]

If Jenna. If Jennifer Hudson wins an acting Oscar because she's known for music, which is what she has.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Okay, now, to be fair, Cynthia Rivo is a. She sings. But I think we know Cynthia Rivo as an actor. I think.

[Monet X Change]

Ah, splitting hairs. I would call a singing actor. Cause I think. I mean, a lot of us met Cynthia Rivo a Revo on Broadway. So I mean, I think that's literally. That's right in the middle.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

It's fair to say that all of us met Cynthia Rivo through acting. No, I don't think there's any of us who met her. And it wasn't through acting.

[Monet X Change]

I mean, Broadway singing and acting.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

But Broadway is acting, though. Broadway is about acting. Now, if you want to go to, like, a concert, that's one thing. But Cynthia Revo. We know Cynthia Rivo because she's an actor. That's why we know Cynthia Rivo. We know. We know Jennifer Hudson because she's a Singer and she acts.

[Monet X Change]

I think Broadway's a little different. Cause I feel like if Cynthia Rivo did not have the voice that she

[Bob the Drag Queen]

has, that's what everyone on Broadway saying.

[Monet X Change]

Yeah, they just slapped herself in the face of the bike.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I mean, it touched my lip. Did it make a big noise?

[Monet X Change]

Yes. I'm, like, talking. It's not like a fucking cartoon.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

No, it was just that. But not everyone on Broadway sings, though. You can get a Tony without singing.

[Monet X Change]

I know, but I'm saying, I think that the reason why Cynthia has had the impact that she has is because of that voice. Like, her voice. I think her voice makes us care that she's such a good actress. Actor.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I would venture to say that she is her. I would venture to say that it's specifically her acting. Because there are lots of people on Broadway who can sing as well as Cynthia Revo. But her acting is so phenomenal. Like, her acting is really what puts her in this, like, different tier. Because everybody on Broadway singing. Let's be honest, half the folks on Broadway are singing. A lot of these pop stars under the table. Let's keep it a buck.

[Monet X Change]

Yeah, that is true. That is true.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

But I think these Broadway girls are singing. These actors under the. These. These pop stars. These Broadway actors are singing. These pop stars under the table. But because Cynthia Revo is such a good actor and a good singer, I think that is where her Tony comes from. Because there are people who go on Broadway who sing really well, and they do not get Tonys. They do. Tonys are specifically given for your acting. It's how you act the song. That's why you get a Tony, I think, not because you sang well.

[Monet X Change]

I think it's a little chicken egg, I think. I think if Cynthia was a great actor, which, I mean, if she is, and she didn't have the voice, she would not have the acclaim that she does. And maybe that's because we're. That's because we're. The two of us are so different in how we perceive those two arts that we. That's why we weigh them differently. But I think if Cynthia had the same acting chop that she had and she had a subpar voice, like, Anyway, moving on.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

So, for example. Like, for example, no shade. But this is why people were not as impressed with perform. When a lot of these pop stars go into acting roles or go on to Broadway, they're not impressed. Even if they're really good singers. They're like, we came to see acting. If we just want to hear you sing, we'll buy tickets to your concert. We are here to see you act. You are in a play. We need to see acting. We need to see acting.

[Monet X Change]

I mean, we complete the name. Who you talking about? I need a reference.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

This is tons. This is tons of. When I say don't shut up, I just mean, like, in general. Like. Like, who's the guy from that band? He played Jesus Christ Superstar. He played Jesus Christ. Anyway, Christian Bale. Slater. No, that's. That's from Save by the Bell.

[Monet X Change]

No, Christian Slater is an actor. Slater is. Is just A.C. slater. It's from Save by the Bell. Christian Slater is an actor.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Oh, got it. Okay. But it happens a lot. A lot of these pop stars come over to Broadway and they can't act. And we're like, we don't care that you can sing. We wanted to see you act, bitch. Anyway, we're getting track.

[Jacob]

Track.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

We need to get back on. Back on track. So we are going to say, let's

[Monet X Change]

take a break, and then I'll get you back on track.

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[Bob the Drag Queen]

Okay, so we're going to give out 20 points for a. For an Oscar in the pop star category.

[Monet X Change]

Okay.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

And if it's an acting Oscar, are we giving more or no?

[Monet X Change]

No, it should be okay. Yeah, I think. No, I think. I think it's 15.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

What do you get if you have a Tony?

[Monet X Change]

I think a Tony is.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

In my opinion, if a. If a pop star gets a Tony, that's worth a lot of points because not a lot of pop stars have Tonys. I can't. I'm trying to think about pop stars who have Tonys specifically for performing, not for producing. No shade Jennifer Hudson. But what pop star has a Tony for performing?

[Monet X Change]

Well, also, I. Now. Now what we're doing, we're doing all these curves, all these exceptions. I feel like an award should be a thing. Like, yes, we acknowledge something. It's harder, it's easier. But an award should just Be a point. Because now we cannot.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Now bitch.

[Monet X Change]

We over here doing a Tokyo Drift.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

We just took it. This is not some simple basic big metric. Our metric is complicated. You can't just sit down and go the point for the don't be.

[Monet X Change]

No, but we have other metrics we're going to do right. People who have sold out. Masculine guard. We have the other.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

We're going to get there. I'm going to do my list by myself because you're irritating me. I think that a Tony for a pop star. Like can you name one pop star with a Tony just with a performance. Tony girl.

[Monet X Change]

I can't even name regular people. I know, I know Cynthia Riva has a Tony and Audrey McDonald. That's all I know. But I don't.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Those are the only two Tony winners you can name.

[Monet X Change]

I'm trying to think of who else you can't name.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Idina Menzel.

[Monet X Change]

I.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

You can't name Jennifer Holiday.

[Monet X Change]

Jennifer. I didn't know Jennifer Holiday won the

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Tony for you can't name Andre the show.

[Monet X Change]

Did she want it for Dreamgirls? Yeah, got it. And Adina wanted for Wicked.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Yes.

[Monet X Change]

Did Kristin Chenoweth win as well?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I think they're up for the same award. So I don't. But Kristen does have a Tony. But not. But they were up for the same award. I think Jacob can verify that.

[Monet X Change]

Yeah, I don't know.

[Jacob]

They were. Yes, they were competing against each other

[Bob the Drag Queen]

and I didn't want it.

[Monet X Change]

I don't know. I don't know. I didn't know that they would do that because then the Oscars. Right. Ariana and Cynthia aren't competing. So do they give a Tony for best Actress? Okay, question.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

The Tonys are gendered.

[Monet X Change]

They're gendered. And do they do supporting and main like the Oscars. Got it. So they were both the main for Wicked.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Lead. Yeah, lead.

[Monet X Change]

But then. But in the movie they're not.

[Jacob]

It's Oscar strategy. They could both be technically. But they. Where they realize it would be easier. It's less competition. So if they enter Cynthia for lead, lead actress and Ariana for supporting, they both have a better chance of both winning. And for part two, they're actually flip flopping it. So for part two, Ariana will be nominated for best actress and Cynthia will be nominated for best support.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

But also you have to have an

[Jacob]

equal shot at both the both of those Tonys.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

You also have a chance to win two Oscars as opposed to just the one. So you spread it out over. So they could have potentially won two Oscars.

[Monet X Change]

Right, right, right, right.

[Jacob]

And this is also a theory. This is not confirmed, but I do believe we're getting original songs for part two as well. So they also should both be nominated for best orig for those Oscar.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Since you don't. I was. I'm going to give you this. Since you don't care much about the Tonys. Let me have this, and I'll let you go back and adjust something at the Grammys. So I think that a Tony for a pop star should be worth 25 points. And you. Do you want to go back and adjust the Oscars? I mean, the Grammys.

[Monet X Change]

Yes. I think Grammys are flat. They're going to be 15. 15? Yes.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

You said 20 before.

[Monet X Change]

No, Jacob said 20. I said 15. No, no, use a 25. I said 15. Jacob was like, oh, let's do. Do it at 20.

[Jacob]

Yes.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Oh, so. So. So, Jacob, what is our point for a Grammy? Are you writing these down?

[Jacob]

I am. You said. We said you.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Oh, you. You were muted. You were muted. What. So what are the points. What are the points for a Grammy?

[Jacob]

15.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

What are the points for an Oscar?

[Jacob]

You have not told me Oscars yet. I assume we were doing 15 as well. You only send an Oscar for music.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

So Oscar is. I. I said it should be 20.

[Monet X Change]

And I said 15.

[Jacob]

You said it should be 20 if a Grammy. If. If we're talking about a pop star. You said it.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

So this. We're doing the pop star metric. So it's 15, 40 Oscar, 20 if you get an acting Oscar.

[Monet X Change]

Yes, that's what I change. I said no, it should be 15.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

No, I said you can do the Grammys, not the Oscars.

[Jacob]

You were talking about music Oscars first. So Bob was saying it should be more if they get a music Oscar. And I was saying it should be more if they get an acting Oscar.

[Monet X Change]

Okay, but then. So then. So then I didn't change. So grammys were always 15, and so I didn't get to change my thing. So you get to change Tony's, but

[Bob the Drag Queen]

you can change the Grammys to 20. Back to 20 if you want. That's what I'm saying. You can change the Grammys to 20, which is your original idea.

[Monet X Change]

No, but we settled on Grammys. Grammys will settle. So you. You don't get to give me Grammy. I get to choose what I get to do. You get to do Tony's. I get to choose what I get to change. Nigga, you're not manipulating mean motherfuckers because you love.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

You love music. And I love acting, so I assumed I would do the Broadway thing. And you would. It was an offer, Jes.

[Monet X Change]

Yeah, well, your offer is blocked.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I would say reject it, but sure.

[Monet X Change]

You ever just touch a nibble to make sure it's still there?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

No, my nipples are too sensitive for that. So go in. So, okay, so, Jacob, what is our Grammy point?

[Commercial Announcer]

Scene 15.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

And what are the. And what? And since Monet is the queen of the Oscars, what's our Oscar, sis? Monet. You want some flat 15 for Oscars?

[Monet X Change]

Yes.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I'm gonna make my own metric off of this. And for the Tony Awards, I think a Tony should be 25 points. Okay, but it has to be a performance Tony.

[Monet X Change]

So a producing Tony is what, 15 points?

[Jacob]

Just to be clear, I don't think there are any pop stars who have become famous as a pop star and then done Broadway and won a Tony.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I don't think so either, which is why I think it's such a big deal. Okay, okay. Okay. And the last one is an Emmy.

[Monet X Change]

And Emmy, I think Emmys are 10. Um, I think Emmy's a 10.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

10. Cause you have so many.

[Monet X Change]

Huh?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Cause you just have so many.

[Monet X Change]

Emmy should be 10. What do you think Emmys should be? 20.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

We can do a 10. 10 for the Emmys. And I'm gonna go ahead and say, any other awards like a MTV Award, a BET Award, NAACP Award, or a GLAAD Award, Critics Choice Award, are each worth a five points. Critic Choice Award, five points.

[Monet X Change]

What about sag?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Golden Globes, five points work.

[Monet X Change]

SAG is like the next one.

[Jacob]

Sag.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I said what? I said no.

[Monet X Change]

Or Golden Globe. I can't remember which one is important.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I said what I said.

[Jacob]

They're both equally important in different ways. I think Goldman Globe has more weight to it. Technically. I think we consider it higher. But I think technically speaking, sag, actually, I feel like matters more because it's voted on by other fellow actors instead of these other awards that feel. Feels like kind of like a faceless. Like who? You know?

[Monet X Change]

Yeah, yeah.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I'm gonna give being a New York Times bestseller one point. Because if you're famous, you're probably gonna become a New York Times bestseller. Okay, I'm gonna give it one point.

[Monet X Change]

Okay.

[Jacob]

And don't diminish your accomplishments. We can give it 10.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

No, no, that's only one. I'm gonna give it one more bag.

[Jacob]

That's crazy.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

It's one point. It's one point. It's one point. It's one point. And okay, so now that We've done the awards and the accolades. We need to step into sales. Oh, oh. Can I add one more caveat to the awards? Just specific to the Grammys. If you get more than 15, that's an additional 30 points.

[Monet X Change]

If you get more than 15, what Grammys. Okay.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

That itself is an additional 30 points.

[Monet X Change]

Okay.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Okay, so then now we're moving on to, to sales.

[Monet X Change]

Sales.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Like, like, like Billboard, stuff like that.

[Monet X Change]

Okay. I think if you say, oh, I guess, I don't know, this counts as hell. If you sell out Madison Square Garden, that's, that's five points.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Five points. Okay, so you get five points for selling on Master. Now what is, what is selling? I'm at like, for example, let's say Charli XCX and Troye Sivan were there together on their joint tour. Are they splitting those points?

[Monet X Change]

No, I think that's. They both get five points.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

They each get five points.

[Monet X Change]

Yeah.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

So what about me and Madonna? My name was on the marquee.

[Monet X Change]

Y' all were not co headlining, baby. That was Madonna.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

My name was on the marquee.

[Monet X Change]

You're not co headlining with Madonna.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

We co hosted.

[Monet X Change]

You're not. Bob is at you.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I'm trying to find out what the metric is. I'm saying is my name was on the marquee and I is listed as her co host. No, that counts for nothing.

[Monet X Change]

No. Okay, you get, you'll get half a point.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Half a point for getting my name on the marquee of five sold out shows.

[Monet X Change]

That's half a point. Okay, I'll give you one point and

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I deserve it also for them.

[Jacob]

Is it is you. Do you just get the five points for selling at Madison Square Garden once or every time you sell the Garden, it's five points.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Every time you sell it out, it's three points. Because some people do it so many times, but then some people move on and never come back.

[Monet X Change]

Five to three. Why are we going down to three?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Because some people, like, some people do it so many times.

[Jacob]

I just feel like Madison Square Garden is such a strange metric because like, if you think about like there are people who are like, who.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

But I guess pops up.

[Monet X Change]

It's something that people strive ever sold out.

[Jacob]

I guess if we're comparing, like, okay, that's fair.

[Monet X Change]

People strive like to say, like, I saw a Madison Square Garden. That's like a thing like that. Like, like, that's like, that's a thing is because it's New York. Like, it just is what it is.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I'm gonna go ahead and say if you have an. Or if you have a. An arena tour, it doesn't matter if it's sold out or not. Having an arena tour itself is worth 40 points.

[Monet X Change]

40. Girl. A lot of people do arena.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

How many girls do. How many pop stars do you know have arena. Not stadium tours. Arenas.

[Monet X Change]

Yeah. Arenas are smaller than stadium. Stadium is.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Oh, arenas are bigger than stadium.

[Jacob]

Arena arenas are small.

[Monet X Change]

Stadium is the big one.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

The stadium. Yeah, the. The one out. The outdoor ones. That's worth 40 points.

[Monet X Change]

Yeah, I would agree with that. Stadiums are huge. Arenas, no.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

So having a. So having a stadium tour is worth 40 points. I would say every single tour. 30.

[Monet X Change]

I would say 30.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Every single stadium tour is worth 30 points.

[Monet X Change]

What?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Like every show. Every tour. Every time you go on tour in. In a stadium, you do the stadiums. Not like. Not like you do a bunch of. Then you pop up in. Every single stadium tour is worth 30 points.

[Monet X Change]

Okay, what's the metric? So what if. What. What if they had 10 dates, none of them were stadiums? And one.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

No, the tour. The tour. So Renaissance. That is 30 points, Cowboy Carter. That's 30 points. The tour is 30 points. Not the shows.

[Monet X Change]

I'm saying. But. I'm saying. But sometimes. But sometimes you do a stadium, but you have to pop out into one. Like, for example, work the world. We did a stadium tour.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

That's not a. That's. No that. You did a stadium show?

[Monet X Change]

No, we did. We did. We did a stadium in. In Germany, in London, in Barcelona. What.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

What stadiums?

[Monet X Change]

We did Wembley Arena. We did the one in Germany. I don't know. I don't know what the fuck it's called. And we did one in Barcelona. So three of our days of stadium. So do I get five points?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

That's not a stadium tour. That's a tour where you popped out and did some stadiums. A all stadium tour. You guys did the Wimble arena, the one with the big open sky? Yes.

[Monet X Change]

No, half of it was curtained off, but we still did it.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

No, it has to be all stadium tour. Not pop out and do a stadium. All stadiums.

[Monet X Change]

I think I should get at least one point for doing one of those stadiums. Just like. Just like you got a point for.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Yeah, I didn't do one. First of all, I did 82 of them bitches.

[Monet X Change]

Honey, you did have to say to the arenas.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

No, I did 82 arenas, my little. That wasn't me popping in one day at msg.

[Monet X Change]

No, but we said. We said specifically Madison Square.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

What's your name on the marquee? What was your name? On the marquee.

[Monet X Change]

What? When we did the. When did we do the stadiums?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Yes, we were all on your name.

[Monet X Change]

Yes, we were all on there. Monet X Change, Naomi Smalls, Z Boy,

[Bob the Drag Queen]

did you get a point for that? But then we'll offer you the same point. You offer me half a point.

[Monet X Change]

I gave you one.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

You get one point then.

[Monet X Change]

Well, no, but stadiums are bigger. You didn't do it. You didn't do stadiums. You did an arena. So I get. Stadiums are bigger than arena, so I get more than one point.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I've done the biggest fucking show for a solo artist in the history of fucking concerts.

[Monet X Change]

But they all were not stadiums, though, is my point. They were not all stadiums.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

So let me. Let me be clear. We're not working on you and my points. We're working on actual pop stars. Okay, now let's talk about Billboard number one. Number one song is gonna be worth 10 points. Number one album, 15 points.

[Monet X Change]

Now, are we doing it based on the amount of weeks, for example? Right?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

So like, maybe you get an additional two points for every week.

[Jacob]

Can we go back? What. So what is our final number for selling out a Madison Square Garden or stadium tours?

[Monet X Change]

Selling out Madison Square Garden just on its own. We said that that was going to

[Bob the Drag Queen]

be five points every time we do it.

[Monet X Change]

Five points.

[Jacob]

Okay, and then for a stadium tour. What's our. What's our.

[Monet X Change]

I think that come to a number 30.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

We came to 30 plus 30.

[Jacob]

Okay.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

And again with a tour not popping out and doing one. Yes, the tour. So Billboard number one song versus album.

[Monet X Change]

This is Billboard number one song we said is how many points?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I would say it should be five points. And then one additional point for every week you're on there.

[Monet X Change]

So if it's a number one for one day, that's five points.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

They go by week. I don't think they go by day.

[Monet X Change]

Yeah, it was four.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

That's five points. If you're there for two weeks, you get six points.

[Monet X Change]

We said it's two additional points. That'd be seven points, maybe.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

So you think two points a week or one point a week is good?

[Monet X Change]

I think one point a week.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

So one point a week. So five for the song just for making it. And one point for every week you stay up there.

[Monet X Change]

Because just like Bitch Lil Nas X1 is iconic. Just for Old Town Road.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I mean, that is iconic.

[Monet X Change]

It is. It was like four inches something weeks, right?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

No, 400.

[Monet X Change]

400.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

That's like two. That's like three years.

[Monet X Change]

I think that's right, though.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

No, it Was not no more for like three years. Monet, that's crazy. I can't do it. I think it was there 152 weeks in a year.

[Monet X Change]

No.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

How many weeks are in a year? What was 4 times 12? 48 weeks in a year. Wait. 48 weeks in the year. Wait for. Wait. Okay, Monet, first of all, let's, let's, let's, let's clear. Let's clear this up.

[Monet X Change]

No, let's clear how many weeks. 52 weeks in a year, Bob, how

[Bob the Drag Queen]

many years is 400 weeks? I want to know how long you think Lil Nas X. How many years is 400 weeks? Do you think. You think that Old Town Road was the number one for seven and a half years? Wait, Beep, beep. Since you want to make fun of me. You think Old Town Road was the number one? A bit more for seven point.

[Monet X Change]

Well, you know what? That's crazy. But at least I didn't think a year has 150. That is exactly what that is.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Well, it is crazy that you thought that Old Town, that you. That you thought that 7, 400 weeks was not 7 years. Anyway, we both have obviously made some ridiculous math blunders regarding weeks and years. Obviously, it's 19.

[Monet X Change]

It was. It was 19 weeks. Was number one.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

What about albums? A number one album, I would say it's double. So album is 10 and each week is two.

[Monet X Change]

Okay, I'm into that.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Okay.

[Monet X Change]

That means SZA is an icon, honey.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

So let's go on to.

[Monet X Change]

I always knew that.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

So, okay, so we've done. So are there any other metrics we should be doing? We've done sales, we've done awards, we've done Billboard.

[Monet X Change]

I think we did all the things

[Bob the Drag Queen]

we're not going to do. TV appearances for pop stars.

[Monet X Change]

No, no. Now, for.

[Jacob]

Are we rating. Are you rating dance skill and talents and performances?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

No, because that's.

[Jacob]

Because somebody.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Because that's, that's like subjective.

[Monet X Change]

Yeah, but what about actors? So actors.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I mean, so now we're moving on to actors.

[Monet X Change]

Yeah. So what do what metric?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

So based on that metric, let's find out if Troye Sivan is an icon.

[Jacob]

Wait, sorry. VMA awards.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Each one. There we already figured out VMAs, GLADs, BET, NAACP, Golden Globes.

[Monet X Change]

You put in a VMA and, And Golden Globe and the Sack. Just think that's crazy.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

They're all the same to me. Not that I have any of them. I don't have a single one. But, you know, what about a Peabody? I would give a Peabody. Could Be two or three. Three points for a Peabody.

[Monet X Change]

Two. Two and a half. Two and a half. Let's meet a mill. Two and a half.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

No, let's do another half. Just do two. I'm not doing no half points.

[Monet X Change]

Why don't give us. No, that's a two and a half.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Okay, two and a half.

[Monet X Change]

Why you want to try to make

[Bob the Drag Queen]

math hard for people? Did you see I just struggled through how many weeks were in a year, Bitch.

[Monet X Change]

Lucky. Lucky for you we got a Wade doing it. AKA Jacob. What's the sitch? Wade.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

So, okay, so wait. So wait. Okay, Jacob, we need to find out if Troye Sivan is an icon based on the metric that we have agreed upon.

[Jacob]

Okay.

[Commercial Announcer]

Right.

[Jacob]

This is going to take me a while to. I mean, I. This is just going to be a lot of math and like googling things.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

We can all. We can help you out. You don't have to do it by yourself, baby.

[Monet X Change]

You.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

You have. You have people here to help you.

[Monet X Change]

We. Now you

[Bob the Drag Queen]

can also. Also we can.

[Jacob]

We can start. So we're going to start with the Grammys.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Okay.

[Monet X Change]

I'm writing it down. How many grams does he have?

[Jacob]

And someone should put up a calculator.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I got the calculator.

[Monet X Change]

No. Okay, you know, I'll do the numbers. Bob, you're right. We cannot trust you with.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I get to the calculator. I do. It's a calculator, bitch.

[Jacob]

Are nominated? Do we count nominations or just awards?

[Monet X Change]

No, just the awards.

[Jacob]

Okay. This man has no Grammys.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Or should we give one point for nominations? No, you don't get any points for nominations.

[Monet X Change]

No.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Not even one?

[Monet X Change]

No.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Damn cold ass. I think each egot nomination should be worth one point. EGOT nomination should be worth one point.

[Commercial Announcer]

Point.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Deal.

[Monet X Change]

Fine.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Okay. How many nominations does he have? You like, you like still nuts?

[Jacob]

Grammys is three.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Okay, Three. I'm ready.

[Jacob]

Okay, next we have Oscars. And I also. He does not have any Oscars.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Okay.

[Jacob]

All right, next we have Tony's. We don't have any Tonys here. Next we have Emmys. We do not have any Emmys here.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Okay.

[Jacob]

Okay, next we have SAG awards. And I don't think we have SAG here as well. Let's see.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Do you have any MTV awards?

[Jacob]

Yes. MTV Europe Music Awards. Two.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Okay. And those each worth one point.

[Jacob]

Yes.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Okay.

[Monet X Change]

No, those are five. We said those are all five. Five.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

They're five points. Did we say that, Jacob?

[Monet X Change]

Not the big three. The big four. Like Tony's. Those are all. I mean, Sal.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Five. So so he has 10 points now. So that's an additional 10 point. Okay. Okay,

[Jacob]

great. And then we have. Well, now there are other awards that I can list as well, like these awards. Like the Australian. He has the equivalent of like an Australian Grammy. No, the Australian Recording Industry Association Music Awards.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

No, we're not including that one.

[Monet X Change]

That should be. So a nomination for what? The big four is a point. Winning at Australian Grammy zero.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

You vetoed the nomination? No, we didn't veto. Okay, so then. Okay, how many points is the Australian Grammy? Monet? Tell me how much it is. Okay. How many of those does he have, Jacob?

[Jacob]

Four.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

He has four points. Okay, okay.

[Jacob]

And what about the Australian Music Awards? It's a separate one. A separate one.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

One point each. How many?

[Jacob]

Okay, two. Okay, okay, so that's. That's. Those are our award points.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

He has 19 award points.

[Jacob]

Now we're doing Madison Garden being sold out. And. Let me look into that.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

And. And him and Charlie both get five points each for this.

[Monet X Change]

Well, we ain't talking about Charlie.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

And also, I'm gonna go ahead and throw Barclays in there too. Cause Barclays is.

[Monet X Change]

Is. Is.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I would say it's not as prestigious, but it's. It's as impressive, I think.

[Monet X Change]

I mean, but I think we keep it to MSG because then. Because then we can look at other impressive venues around the la. The fucking crypto bitcoin arena.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I think we just. Okay, okay. Don't fight me.

[Monet X Change]

It's an msg, Jake.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

A little clicking. The clacking is so funny. He's like a little hacker.

[Monet X Change]

Well, yeah, because, well, you know, he has. He puts a mic on his keyboard just for this effect.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Well, yes.

[Jacob]

Oh, okay. So he has not played Madison Square Garden. They did play Barclays for Barclays for that tour.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Yeah. Monat gets no points for Barclays. Monat said nothing for Barclays.

[Monet X Change]

Okay, let's give it to him.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Okay, so that's five. How many times they sold out?

[Jacob]

Let me look.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Oh, wait. How much is it? How much is the stadium tour worth?

[Monet X Change]

I don't think they did a stadium.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

So there is a stadium. Barclays is a stadium. Arena.

[Monet X Change]

He did.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

What's the smaller place?

[Monet X Change]

Arena. He did arena tour.

[Jacob]

Arena is smaller.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

How much did an arena tour worth?

[Monet X Change]

I think we said we only.

[Jacob]

We only had number for stadium tour.

[Monet X Change]

Let's say 15.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

15 points. Okay, so I'm gonna go ahead and give him 15 points just for having a stadium tour. Right.

[Monet X Change]

Arena bitch.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Whatever, bitch. The small one, he gets 15 points for that one, right?

[Monet X Change]

Yes, but so you get a point for arena and also for the tournament.

[Jacob]

But he was doing with Charlie. So are we splitting it?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Because it was. You've agreed to give them both the points even though I don't get a short.

[Monet X Change]

We're doing it for. So we get. They're getting points to sell at Madison Square Garden, AKA Barclays. And also for the whole arena tour as well.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

An arena tour is worth some points and a stadium tour is worth some points. Having the tour, because we're giving points just for having a stadium tour. So we should give points for having an arena tour, in my opinion.

[Monet X Change]

Okay. Yeah.

[Jacob]

Oh, Barclays is listed as a stadium. As an arena.

[Monet X Change]

Yeah, it is there. Bobcats on stadium.

[Jacob]

Okay, great.

[Monet X Change]

People are saying the wrong thing by accident.

[Jacob]

Gotcha.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

We'll do it on purpose to confuse you all.

[Jacob]

So they did one day at Barclays, but So that's the 15 for stadiums, for arenas. 15 for arenas. Yes, yes.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

And how many do you get for selling out? 5 money.

[Monet X Change]

Is that what it is? 5?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Yeah, 5 for selling out. Okay.

[Jacob]

Okay. Billboard number one. Let's see.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

This little typing is taking me out.

[Jacob]

According to my searches, he has not had a number one.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Damn.

[Monet X Change]

Damn.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

All right, so based on our status, he is approximately.

[Jacob]

Let me see. Oh, no, no. And I don't think an album as well.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

So our choice of mine is 61 points away from being an icon.

[Jacob]

We're talking in main charts because like on dance and electronic, we have hit number one.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

No, it's not count. Yeah, those count. So how many number ones do you have?

[Jacob]

Okay, let me. Let me look a little bit more.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Make me sweat, make me hotter, make me lose my. In this water. Is our metric too tough?

[Monet X Change]

I said it was too tough.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Okay, maybe we just lower from 100. What do we bring the number down to?

[Monet X Change]

Apparently you want to bring to somewhere that choice von could win. So I guess make it make it 40, 30.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

No, I just want to know. I just want to know what's fair. I just want to know what's fair.

[Monet X Change]

I think we. I think the number.

[Jacob]

Okay. As number. It was number one for two consecutive weeks.

[Monet X Change]

Okay.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Okay, so how many points for making the number one?

[Monet X Change]

We said for the five album was 10.

[Jacob]

Yeah.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

So it was a song on album.

[Jacob]

It was a song.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

So five and then plus the album.

[Jacob]

The album was also number one for one week as well.

[Monet X Change]

Okay.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Six points for the song and then for making it another week and then plus 10 points for the album at one week. So Troy Sivan has 55 icon points

[Jacob]

and Let me also just say if I got any of this data wrong, I'm so sorry. I've been looking at this really quickly on the fly. I'm fairly confident in my results.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

So Choice Divine is 45 points away from icon status. All right, now, Monet, pick a pop star. We're. We're going to. We're going to. We're going to. We're going to. We're going to grade them.

[Monet X Change]

Oh, my God. Um, but, like, a cuspy one.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Don't do, like, Madonna, Beyonce, Katy Perry. They're always going to be. They're obviously going to hit it. Pick someone who, like, might get by the skin of their teeth.

[Monet X Change]

Let me look at my most recent ads.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Let's do. Can we do SZA?

[Monet X Change]

Yeah, SZA's absolutely an icon.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

All right. Let's do SZA's. All right, Jacob, ready for SZA?

[Monet X Change]

100%.

[Jacob]

All right, we are gonna start with Grammys.

[Monet X Change]

She has four wins, I think.

[Jacob]

Okay, let me look. Sorry. Let me pull her up.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

SZA.

[Jacob]

Okay. Grammys, five wins, 26 nominations.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Oh, and how many points is that? Wait, how many? Wait, how many? How many? Okay, 26 plus a win is 15

[Jacob]

and a nomination, I think we're giving one.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

What's 15 times five?

[Monet X Change]

75. She's already just in Grammys.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

SZA is an icon, so SZA has reached icon status. So let's do. Let's do. Let's do Rihanna.

[Monet X Change]

Rihanna. Yes. She has. Yes. I think Rihanna has five Grammys, too, altogether. Or maybe two or three. She has five or two or one.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Actually. I have a fun one. This is gonna be. I have a fun one. Because we know you're gonna be asking. I have a fun one. Let's do. Do Weird Al Yankovic. Unless it rupaul. Let's do Weird Al. Weird Al will be great.

[Monet X Change]

I don't know Weird Ali. I don't know any of his stuff.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

We're gonna find out if Weird Al is a pop icon.

[Jacob]

Okay? Five Grammy Awards and 11 nominations.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Wait, hold on.

[Monet X Change]

It's. Now it seems too easy.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Wait, so Weird. No, Weird. So weird Al has five wins. That's. That's 75 points. How many nominations?

[Monet X Change]

11. 11.

[Jacob]

So that's 86 altogether.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

So he.

[Jacob]

He.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Girl, he is just 14 points. 14 points away.

[Monet X Change]

Is that all his. He has nothing else. Doesn't he do anything else?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I'm just saying he's 14 points away already. Why is everyone calling me right now?

[Monet X Change]

Girl, three people call me, too.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Jesus Christ. All right, so let's go Any.

[Monet X Change]

Any.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Any Oscars? Grammys?

[Jacob]

Yeah, looking. I don't see any Oscars or Grammys.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

How about number ones on the Billboard?

[Jacob]

Yeah, let's see. Sorry, it thought. It's not giving.

[Monet X Change]

Why? Why? Yeared out year. Why Weird Al Yankovic?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Well, I. I chose him because he actually. He has more acclaim than people realize. He does. Alberto has. Has more Grammys than some of your favorite pop stars.

[Jacob]

Okay, let me see.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

He's.

[Monet X Change]

He's a parody guy, right?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Yeah.

[Monet X Change]

I don't know.

[Jacob]

He had an album for number one on the Billboard 200, so that's.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

That's 10.

[Monet X Change]

I don't understand Billboard. Why, if you're on 200, would you not be on the. On the. On the 100?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

If you're number one, you're definitely on the 100.

[Monet X Change]

Say again?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Maybe they used. Maybe they used to call the 200 back then. I don't know.

[Monet X Change]

No, I hear still, like, it was number one on the. On the. On the Hot 100 or the Hot 200. I'm like, isn't it the same list?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

I don't know, bro.

[Jacob]

Yeah, I don't know.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

But he. So. And how many and how long was it there? Just one week, I think.

[Jacob]

Just one week? Yes.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Weird Al is now four points away from icon status.

[Monet X Change]

No, he's. Because he was 86. The 10 points is for the album, so that's 96. Well, another. And, and, and. And. And one point, so it's 97. He's three points away.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

What's that?

[Monet X Change]

1.4441 for two weeks, right?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Oh, it's two weeks.

[Monet X Change]

I feel that's what Jacob said.

[Jacob]

No, I. I think it's just one week. It's a little.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Any single.

[Jacob]

Sorry. I guess it just says number one. It doesn't say what we. I need to do more to figure out.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

And I'm almost positive that Weird Al has done at least four tours. At least an arena. At least a stadium tour or whatever the small one is. Oh, yeah. Weird Al is huge, Monet. He's huge.

[Monet X Change]

What is a song of his? I would know.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

He did Like a Surgeon instead of Like a Virgin.

[Monet X Change]

I don't think I've ever heard any of that.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

He did Fat instead of bad. He did Amish paradise instead of Gangster's Paradise. He did Pretty Fly for a Rabbi.

[Monet X Change]

When I tell you I've never heard any of these songs.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

He also does a polka pokerama every year. He does, like, a polka mix of all the pop songs. Not every year, but he used to do poker remix of all the songs, he also did Trapped in the Drive Thru instead of Trapped in the Closet.

[Jacob]

Yeah. So I believe it was just on for one week.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Okay.

[Jacob]

And if I'm wrong, I'm sorry.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

So do we.

[Monet X Change]

Do we.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

And do we have any. Say any small. Whatever the smaller venue is. Tours? Yeah, like, bigger than a. Bigger than theater tours.

[Monet X Change]

And what does the theaters are count for? 1 point.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

No points.

[Commercial Announcer]

Wow.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

That's gonna be no points for me.

[Jacob]

Yes. The mandatory world tour hit 100 cities worldwide.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

And how many points is that again?

[Jacob]

Was it arenas, though?

[Monet X Change]

Arenas.

[Jacob]

This seemed to be a mix. Like, is he. Let me. Let me find. Exactly.

[Monet X Change]

We did arenas or arenas worth 15 points.

[Jacob]

Is the Hollywood Bowl. What are we counting that as Hollywood

[Bob the Drag Queen]

bowl is an arena, it's 15 points.

[Jacob]

What about the Greek theater?

[Bob the Drag Queen]

The Greek is.

[Jacob]

It looks like this tour was a theater tour.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

The Greek is. Yeah, the Greek is about 6 to 8,000 seats. The Hollywood bowl is about 12 to 15,000 seats.

[Jacob]

I don't think he's done an arena tour.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Damn. He's four points away. He could. He could have been. He could have. He must have a number one single. He must have a number one single. He must. But Weird Al is only four points away. He's so close.

[Monet X Change]

Got it.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

And so I'm sure someone's gonna be like, actually, Weird Al did the.

[Monet X Change]

Well, can y' all comment below if y' all like this metrics. This, this, this, this.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

But he's almost. Weird Al is almost a pop icon.

[Monet X Change]

Let us know if y' all agree with this mesh rating system. I think there are some flaws in it. I think we can figure some stuff out.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

We agreed on it together, bitch.

[Jacob]

I feel like we're waiting. I guess in pop, it feels like Grammys are maybe weighted too high, but maybe not.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

So, Monet, next time, you and I will sit down and we'll find out. Maybe in a month or two, we'll figure out what makes a drag icon.

[Jacob]

Well, we'll see what the response to this episode is.

[Monet X Change]

First, a dry conversation.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Yeah, that's why I wanted.

[Monet X Change]

All right. Bye.

[Bob the Drag Queen]

Bye.

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