The One About Interracial Dating

Summary

Sibling Rivalry: The One About Interracial Dating

Date: January 5, 2022
Hosts: Monét X Change & Bob the Drag Queen

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Episode Overview

On this lively and candid episode of Sibling Rivalry, Monét X Change and Bob the Drag Queen take an unfiltered deep dive into the complexities of interracial dating, especially within the Black queer community. They weave humor, personal stories, cultural critiques, and thoughtful debate into a conversation that unpacks everything from online criticisms and family dynamics to Blackness as a social construct, media representation, and navigating relationships across cultural backgrounds.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Language, Representation, and Multicultural Backgrounds (00:00–09:00)

• The episode opens with lighthearted banter about language skills, cultural backgrounds, and a playful Spanish translation challenge with their friend Pixie.

• Bob shares his brief stint at learning Swahili and reflects on language representation in pop culture (e.g., Lion King’s Swahili influence).

• Notable moment: Bob recounts MLK's encouragement to Nichelle Nichols (Star Trek) about the importance of Black representation in media.

  "MLK was a Trekkie... He was like, 'it's so important that you're on this show and you have to continue with this work because it is important for us to be seen represented in many places.'" – Bob (04:16)

2. Comedians and Cultural Comedy (09:10–16:39)

• The hosts discuss their favorite comedians, Black comedy icons, and the unique role of underscoring in Drag Race and comedy specials.
• Briefly touch on aging and representation in comedic circles.
• Memorable reference: discussing Wanda Sykes and jokes about the intersectionality of sexuality and race in her acts.

3. The Heart of the Matter: Interracial Dating & Black Representation (19:39–54:10)

Community Reactions to Interracial Relationships (23:16–36:47)

• Both hosts reflect on the scrutiny and criticism queer Black celebrities face for dating white partners. Bob and Monét directly address the online backlash and accusations of being "not pro-Black" or a "sellout."

• Bob and Monét share their personal romantic histories, describing how early influences and literature shaped their preference for Black partners and the challenges of breaking away from rigid expectations.

  "I think I can certainly see the beauty in seeing two black people together... but I do think it is very strange to think that black people should only want to date black people." – Bob (26:31)

Family Experiences & Cultural Comfort (38:59–48:24)

• Anecdotes about bringing partners home illustrate differences in how Black families and other cultures respond to interracial relationships.
• Bob describes family reactions to his white partner Jacob, emphasizing that his family had already navigated multiple "curveballs" related to his identity.
• Monét shares his experience with family acceptance—and how Caribbean/West Indian culture can both reinforce and challenge ideas about interracial dating.

Nuance, Community Standards, and Internalized Bias (51:26–74:35)

• The hosts interrogate whether it’s possible to be pro-Black and date interracially, sharing personal boundaries ("I couldn't date someone who wasn't pro-Black") and discussing how definitions of pro-Blackness vary within the community.

• They explore the line between personal preference and internalized bias, recognizing historical and ongoing trauma as legitimate factors in partner preference, but challenge the idea that race should be a hard boundary in relationships.

  "I could not date interracially if that person was not pro Black. It literally would not work." – Monét (53:13)

• They also note the double standard: Black individuals stating preference for Black partners is usually viewed positively, but white individuals stating a preference for only white partners is viewed as fundamentally racist and exclusionary.

  "If you're a white person and you're like, I only date white people, you're in the KKK. You are, you're the grand wizard." – Bob (70:16)

Social Media, Cancel Culture, and the Discourse (74:35–82:30)

• Bob and Monét discuss cancel culture’s impact on open racial dialogue—a single post can change everything.
• They address the disproportionate negativity and shame Black people receive for interracial dating and acknowledge how social media magnifies these feelings.

4. Humor, Satire, and Memorable Commentary (Throughout)

• Both employ comedy to emphasize and diffuse tensions—sometimes using edgy satire to underscore the absurdity of policing Black relationships.

• Notable satirical moment:

  "The only way to get rid of white people is to fuck them out of existence. Hear me out... If we use our black dicks and our black pussies to have some brown black babies, we can wipe out the... Oh, my God. Hear me out." – Bob (71:16)

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Notable Quotes & Moments with Timestamps

• On Representational Importance
  "MLK was a Trekkie... He famously had a conversation with Nichelle Nichols. He was like... 'it's so important that you're on this show and you have to continue with this work.'" (04:16)

• On Online Criticism:
  “It does actually get to my head… and it’s very off-putting.” – Monét (28:08)

• On Family Dynamics:
  “My family… had so many curve balls between pansexual, non binary drag queen. When, when a white guy showed up, they were just like, hey, Chris.” – Bob (39:30)

• On Dating within the Community:
  “I think it's strange if you have a problem with other Black people dating who they want to date.” – Bob (26:41)

• On What 'Pro-Black' Means:
  "Could you date someone who was not pro black?" – Bob (52:54)
  "No, right. Impossible. No... I couldn't date a black person that wasn't pro black." – Monét (53:15)

• On Racial Double Standards in Dating:
  "If you're a white person, and you're like, I would only... I'd be like, you're in the kkk. You are. You're the grand wizard... Like, what are you saying? Yeah, it's racist. There's no other way to put it." – Bob (70:16/70:26)

• Satirical Riff on Interracial Dating:
  "The only way to get with white people is to fuck them out of existence... If we use our black dicks and our black pussies to have some brown black babies, we can wipe out the... Oh, my God. Hear me out." – Bob (71:16–71:48)

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Discussion of Blackness as a Social Construct (31:04–33:33)

• The hosts debate how Blackness is socially constructed, who gets to define it, and the legitimacy of lived experience versus genetic lineage.

  "Once you're black, you're black... It's a combination... Yes, you may be white-passing, but you probably experience this world as a black person." – Monét (31:04–32:13)

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Online Reaction and Social Media (48:35–52:29)

• Both discuss the pressure and assumptions in social media spaces, especially for Black public figures in interracial relationships.

  "Online... it feels like that is the general consensus amongst Black people. But I think... the people who feel passionately... are just very vocal, and the people who are like, I would date a white person are just kind of like, whatever." – Bob (68:59)

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Closing Thoughts & Next Steps (73:07–End)

• Ideas for future episodes and panels with Black partners or guests with critical views of interracial dating.
• Reflection on the need for honest conversation and critique within the Black community, versus simply labeling dissent as racism.
• Both hosts affirm the need to inhabit their authentic Blackness regardless of partner, refusing to code-switch or censor themselves for white partners.

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Final Reflection

This episode is an engaging, sharp, and authentic discussion that balances humor and insight. Bob and Monét offer both personal experience and broader social analysis, encouraging listeners to question assumptions about love, identity, and community expectations. Their vulnerability about the pain of harsh criticism, and their insistence on nuance, make this a valuable listen for anyone interested in the intersection of race, gender, sexuality, and romance.

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Major Timestamps & Sections

• 00:00 – Language & Representation
• 09:10 – Favorite Comedians & Comedy Culture
• 19:39 – Kicking off Interracial Dating Discussion
• 23:16 – Community Criticism & Personal Experiences
• 38:59 – Family Dynamics & Cultural Comfort
• 51:26 – Pro-Blackness, Preference, and Bias
• 70:16 – Double Standards & Satirical Riffs
• 74:35 – Cancel Culture & Online Discourse
• 73:07/End – Next Steps & Final Reflections

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For listeners: Expect humor, honesty, and sometimes biting satire—all in the unmistakable voice of Sibling Rivalry. The episode is especially valuable for those grappling with questions of identity, love, and community belonging in today's world.

Transcript

[A]

My name is bob the drag queen

[B]

and I'm monet x change.

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And this is sibling rivalry. On this week's episode, we show off our Spanish speaking skills, we talk about interracial dating, and we find out what made Monet say this.

[B]

So it was a. I got them fucking drunk. I got them. It was. It was great. And we find out what made Bob the Drag Queen say this.

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The only way to get witted right, people, is to fuck them out of existence. What's that one?

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German.

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Then once I inspired.

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1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6.

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Oh, you just kept counting.

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Yeah.

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Okay.

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How many languages can you count to?

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3 in.

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Oh, my God. We've done this like on a podcast.

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Bob, how many names can you say hello?

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You are. You are the dory of drag.

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How many l languages can you say hello in?

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I don't know.

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Hello, English, Spanish, Hello. What's that?

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I don't know what that is.

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She like, but I can say it.

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Yeah. I don't know what language it is.

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What's that one? Drunkenese, Drunkish.

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How many can you sing?

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Hello.

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Bonjour.

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Hola. Bonjour. Konnichiwa. Jumbo.

[B]

Where's Jumbo?

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Swahili.

[B]

Really?

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Yeah.

[B]

How you know that? Or Lindy taught you.

[A]

Who?

[B]

Or Lindy?

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Nar. I. When I was in school, we had a very short Swahili lesson. And, like, when we're studying worlds or like, places of the world, we. We did a little bit of Swahili for some reason.

[B]

That's why. Does Swahili really have clicks in it? Or is that, like, Swahili is not

[A]

the language of clicks, to my knowledge. Can you Google that, Jacob? But to my knowledge, there are languages in Africa.

[B]

Oh, yeah, for sure.

[A]

There are dialects and languages in Africa that you have clicks, but Swahili is

[B]

not one of them. But everyone always says Swahili. I'm like, does it?

[A]

That's why he actually, I think it might have some cliques, because there are cliques. Do you know all the Swahili? And the Lion King is written by Lebo M. By who? Lebo M. Who's Lebo M? He's a musician. He's a composer. And everyone's like, Elton John wrote Lion King.

[B]

Which.

[A]

Yeah, sure. But you know, the most famous, like, Elton John didn't write that. He also didn't write. Other clicks. There are no clicks. He also wrote. He also wrote what's the. What's the Akuna Mata? Yeah, he wrote basically all of the, like, the ones everyone's like, always singing.

[B]

Do you know, the entire language in Avatar is made up.

[A]

Same with Klingon.

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Yeah, completely made up. Like, they made it up completely for the movie.

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Yeah, they wrote an entire language.

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I want to, like, learn Avatar. Can you imagine if we spoke Avatar?

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You know, I've been thinking about learning a new language or they not become a.

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Not to come.

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Is that a line from Avatar? Yeah, I've been thinking about. There are people who know Klingon.

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Oh, yeah, for sure. Because, I mean, the star. Star Trek.

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Yeah.

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Star Trek girl. Star Trek people are wild.

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Trekkies.

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Trekkies. Trekkies are wild.

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MLK was a Trekkie.

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Who MLK was he really?

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Martin King was a Trekkie. Yeah. Martha King notoriously had a conversation with. What's her name from Star Trek. I'm not a tricky. The black lady.

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Whoopi Goldberg.

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No, she's the black lady from Star Trek.

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Whoopi Goldberg.

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No, not her.

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A different, much older Cicely Tyson.

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Nichelle Nichols. He famously had a conversation with Michelle Nichols. He was like, you know, you have to, like, it's so important that you're on this show and you have to continue with this work because it is important for us to be seen represented in many places. I love that he was like, live long. He apparently said, live long and prosper. So apparently MLK was a tricky.

[B]

Wow.

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But I, I, I was trying to learn Swahili for a little while. I got Rosetta Stone and I got the Swahili version.

[B]

Duolingo is so much better, so much more convenient.

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This was years ago. This, this is probably before Duolingo. This is like, I was 22 years old, and I also was in Mexico recently, and I was like. I mean, I took four years of Spanish and I was able to converse with people and, like, make it through the wilderness. You know, I made it through, but I wish, I wish I spoke more.

[B]

Should we call Pixar Evansura and see if she can say stuff and if we can understand what she's saying? And we'll have, like, a little test.

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I mean, as long as it doesn't feel exploitative to our dear friend.

[B]

I'm going to ask her. Pixie and I do this all the time, actually. Pixtreshea, Pixel and Twitter. Simone X Change. You're currently on the Sibling Rivalry podcast with myself and Bob the drag queen. How are you? Oh, my God.

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Damn it.

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Wow. So Bob and I. So you and I are taking many vacations together. And how proficient would you say my Spanish is? You've been very good both of you are very good.

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I've actually trained both of you, so

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I feel very proud that both of

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you have become excellent linguistics in the language of espanol. Fun fact. Trixie actually looks a little.

[B]

Trixie?

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Did I say Trixie? Wow. Anyway, sorry, I misspoke. I apologize. Pixie looks a little bit like my Spanish teacher from high school. So, Senora Jimenez, if you're out there, I miss you very much. And your Spanish is still weak, but yeah, her name was Senora Jimenez.

[B]

Why?

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Every middle aged Latin woman has gotta resemble me, to be honest. Like, I remember being like when we were on stage and I was like, damn, Pixie looks like Senora Jimenez.

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Okay, so Pixie, I want. So is it cool if you say three sentences, like, one at a time? And Bob and I are gonna see who understands best.

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Okay. Okay.

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Round one. Go.

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Este anno no podo visitar a mis padres para nuevo ano. Pero lo voya visitar. Bitch.

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We didn't say a story.

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There was something about your dad.

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Yeah. That you are not. You are not going to visit your dad for the new year. Continue.

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Yeah, okay. Yeah, you got the gist of it.

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I understand.

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Okay, let me make this sentence in shorter, please.

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Also, we are literally asking on the flies.

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Yeah.

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She was like, it was the best of times, it was the worst of times. It's a tale of two titties.

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The tale of two titties. Okay, round two.

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Round two. Okay, In. In a moment. In a moment, you are.

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One more time. Oh, I'll make a list for my.

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I'm gonna make a. I'm gonna get

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ready for my show in a moment. In a moment. You're gonna get ready for your show. I'm gonna make a list.

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Yes.

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Yep, that's it. Yeah, Listo is ready.

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Yeah, that's right. Listo. Yes. Our last one. And third. Oh, God, Oh, God, oh, God. Okay.

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Oh, God. I'm in the spot.

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I'll translate it.

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Yeah.

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That is straight from our show. Hold on. Just give me a second.

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Just tell us what you're doing.

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The year 20. The year 2020 was better.

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2022.

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The year 2022 will be better than year 2021. Yes.

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Yeah.

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Hey, look at us. Oh, my God. We're like. We're like doing this better. Hey, what's this?

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Bob is currently dancing. Celebrating. Okay, pics. We love you very much.

[A]

Thanks. Hopefully one day I'm gonna be invited for a full podcast.

[B]

We have one or two. Bob says no every time.

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That is not true. I would love to have Pixie on.

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Oh, Pixie would be great. It'd be a great episode. All right. We love you very much, Pix. Love you. Bye.

[A]

Wow.

[B]

We're both pretty good at that.

[A]

Yeah. I'm very proud of us. And I did just have a crash course in Spanish.

[B]

In Spanish?

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Spanish, Espanol. The guy at the airport was like, you speak very good Spanish. And I was like, all right, let's just wrap this up.

[B]

And in St. Lucia, they speak Creole. They speak patois. Do you know anything about French or patois or Creole or anything?

[A]

I understand. From what I understand, patois and Creole

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are not the same thing in different countries. In Jamaica, no. In St Lucia, yes. It's different in different countries. Like, Jamaican patois is a completely different thing. Saint Lucia patois is very similar to French and got it interchange with grill.

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I do not know much about. I mean, I went to school with a lot of Haitians. There are a lot of Haitians at my school, actually. I remember that a lot. I don't remember. I was in High School 20 years ago.

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Damn.

[A]

Have you seen that video with Kevin Hart interviewing Don Cheadle?

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Yes.

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Don Cheadle goes, I'm an AM52. Damn. I'm sorry.

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Do you like Kevin Hart?

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Sometimes he's funny. Sometimes.

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Sometimes. You know, he's the highest paid comedian.

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That makes sense. I mean, that makes perfect sense.

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But you don't think it's very funny.

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That is not what I said.

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He said sometimes.

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I said, sometimes he's funny. You. You translated that to. So you don't think he's funny? You don't think he's very funny? Sometimes he's funny. And sometimes I. I don't guffaw. I mean, he's no. He's. No.

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For me.

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For me, it is Chris Rock, Wanda Sykes, John Mulaney.

[B]

Okay, so your order is Chris Rock.

[A]

Chris Rock, Wanda Sykes. Well, Chris Rock is the top. Like, Chris Rock is, like, so fucking funny. Because you love doing Chris Rock, man. Every time you notice. Every time you come in a house.

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No.

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No way.

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And the hands be like, this. Chris Rock is just funniest and smartest. He's just. He's just so funny. And then I. I really enjoy maybe just kind of on some same equal level. Wanda Sykes, John Mulaney, Jim Gaffigan.

[B]

If you don't say the name that you be busting my fucking dick about that you love so much. No, keep on going. Let's hear, people.

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Well, I like Bo Burnham, but I don't think you. Bob, you act like he's the funniest

[B]

nigga that's ever written comedy.

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Yo, one time I just said, I would like you to watch this special. It's really funny. I mean, y'. All. One time, like, I just watched it and I said, monet, we should watch this special. It's really.

[B]

And Jacob knows that. Bob One Time was a relentless one time. Monet, Monet, I'm not asking you to sail to the moon. Monet, I'm not asking you to do trigonometry. I'm just asking you just sit down and watch.

[A]

But also, I think that. But I mean, I never. I've never said. He's like my favorite comedian thing that he. This one special. The Special. What is really funny. And I was like, you should watch it with me. It's really funny.

[B]

Who is the comedian that does his whole set with a guitar? And he, like, she. He underscores his whole thing.

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His name was like. There's a few. You could be thinking about. He. You mean the one that he wrote.

[B]

And his jokes, they're not like. They're just like. It's like, is it Demetri Martin got,

[A]

like, a bowl cut?

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I don't remember. He's always like, do you know why they call a cell phone? Because you call on your cell. Like, it's like stupid jokes like that.

[A]

No, I think Demetri Martin does. There's also a comedian who has some. He. The guy who wrote the song. He wrote a song called Special Ed, which is a little bit offensive, but that's the only song I can remember right now. He also was a guitar based comedian.

[B]

The guy I'm talking about, because I used to. What I used to do when I used to. Back in the day with Pandora, I used to, like, do Pandora and I would just put it on the comedy station. It was cycled through different comedians. It was actually great. Yeah, I think that's him. Yeah.

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Yeah, he had a show. He had a show. A show on Comedy Central for a little while.

[B]

Yeah.

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Like a sketch.

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I love people that underscore stuff. Underscoring is like 50, but if you underscore something, I'm like, sold.

[A]

Other day, I realized when it was Drag Race. Every moment of Drag Race is underscored. There is. There are no moments on Drag Race where there's not music playing. Literally not one. Every second of Drag Race is underscored.

[B]

Are you sure?

[A]

Except for the moments right before they do the. As they transition from one song to the next. Every moment of Drag Race is underscore. Isn't that crazy.

[B]

I never, I've never noticed. I haven't paid attention.

[A]

I was like, there's never not music playing. This is crazy.

[B]

I think you might be right.

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Yeah. I remember I was like, pants. I was like, this is wild. And especially you notice that once the. The tone changes and the music goes like, duh, duh, nana. Like background music. Then it goes. Someone's like, that's when I was hit by a car. And they'd like, do all the, like. Who's your favorite comedians?

[B]

My favorite comedians.

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Who's your number one?

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My number one. It's hard to say. Cause not currently, but old Ellen. I thought Ellen. I thought her again. Like, we talked about the first special I ever saw, and I just thought, I just loved Ellen was the first

[A]

special you ever saw.

[B]

The first special I ever saw. Of my own. Fruition, I think maybe like Martin Lawrence.

[A]

Of your own what?

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Fruition, Fruition, volition, Volition, Institution. Put me in an institution. And I mean, my mom and like my aunts, they would watch like Queens of Comedy, stuff like that. But like, I was just in the room as opposed to like, I went on TV and I was like, oh, I want to watch this. Like Ellen DeGeneres, the beginning. And I just thought, I just loved how she delivered jokes. She was like. But I saw a recent one. We talked about this before.

[A]

Was it relatable? Called relatable?

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Yeah, I think it's relatable. And it just wasn't as great as her old specials. To me, yeah.

[A]

I think fruition is when something comes to be.

[B]

Yeah.

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Like it came to fruition.

[B]

Yeah, Fruition.

[A]

Never Scared by Martin Lawrence. Chris Rock.

[B]

Chris Rock.

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This is. I remember watching it in college at least once a week for my entire freshman year of college and laughing every single time. Like, non stop every time. It is so well done. It is so cleverly written. It is so well performed. Bigger and Blacker is also great.

[B]

I've seen Bigger and Blacker.

[A]

His latest one, Tambourine is pretty good as well. Wanda Sykes. You know what Wanda Sykes said? They're really.

[B]

I watch her recent. Her recent. But the one when she's in the white.

[A]

I can't remember. I can't remember which one was the most recent one. But one of her bits that I really love was when she. When she was like. It was back when she was presenting a straight. And she was like, I. I can't be her voice. She's like, I, you know what I wish? I wish you could take your pussy off and leave it at home.

[B]

Yeah. To illustrating that.

[A]

Yeah, she. Cause she's talking about her husband.

[B]

Oh, no. Well, she must have reused that joke in this newest one, which is about her wife.

[A]

She, like, my husband asked me if I could, like my husband, be like, can you leave the pussy at home? I come back and be all stretched out. Yeah, she's. Your friends done came over.

[B]

Oh, my God. She used it. Bob, she used that same joke in the recent special.

[A]

Did she?

[B]

Yes. Cause I've seen a show for a

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jog, like, oops, sorry, I have nothing of value on me. Yes, yes. I think you watched an old special.

[B]

No, it was the one. Cause she talked about her wife and how they have kids and how she has a white wife with white kids and her being her blood black ass with his white ass. Family said this whole bit about it.

[A]

That is so funny. I'm sorry, I have nothing of value. I'm so glad Obama's the president. I ain't got to be so sanctified no more. So distinguished. She's like. She was like. She's talking about. I don't know, she just. She just. She's just so fucking funny. She was like. She's like, we got our first black president until he do something fucked up. And I'll be like, who let this half white guy win? And I think I first became aware of Wanda Sykes in the movie Pooty Tang, which is a.

[B]

That was.

[A]

That was a Chris Rock movie.

[B]

That was her. That was her. That was her big moment. That's when everyone was like, oh, my God, Wanda Sykes.

[A]

Yeah, she. And she's so good on Blackish.

[B]

I never seen Blackish.

[A]

You've never seen Blackish?

[B]

Never seen Blackish.

[A]

Wanda Sykes plays his boss. Anthony Anderson's boss, whoever. I can't remember Anthony Anderson's character's name, but she's Anthony Anderson's boss at the advertising agency, and she's just kind of like, nutty.

[B]

Did you watch Insecure? Do you watch Insecure?

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I've been, I've held. I'll tell you when we get back.

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We're back. Welcome back, everyone. I have not watched it and I was. When I heard that there was last season, I was like, great, I'm gonna binge it. Kind of like I did. I did the same thing with Breaking Bad. I did not watch a single bit of Breaking Bad until the whole thing was done. So I'm gonna binge it now. And one of the main reasons I wanna watch it is because Kejiakar keeps posting about how amazing it is.

[B]

I want. I'm very curious.

[A]

Keisha Carr posted a video. She's like crying. She was. I just watched the finale.

[B]

Oh, I. I cried a finale too. I decry the finale.

[A]

But I did watch her YouTube series a while back.

[B]

Well, I never watched a YouTube series.

[A]

The sad, like Shy, Insecure Black girl. No, it was insecure. It was. It was Diary of like a. Like a Awkward Black Girl.

[B]

That was. Yeah, it's.

[A]

I'm very.

[B]

I'm very curious as to what you. Don't put your legs on my side

[A]

of the table, please.

[B]

I'm very curious as to what your. What's your opinions on insecurity because you have very strong opinions. You can't watch a fucking time travel's wife and live your life. So I'm very curious.

[A]

Okay, well, Time Travel's Wife is a movie about groomers.

[B]

Can we not.

[A]

We never talk about. Have we ever talked about the podcast?

[B]

Yes, we have. We talked about. We talked about it literally the day after we did it.

[A]

Yeah, it's wild. Time Travel's wife is crazy.

[B]

It's not crazy.

[A]

But anyway, starring.

[B]

Because,

[A]

my God, they're making a TV show. I.

[B]

They're making a TV show about a time travel as well.

[A]

Yeah, it's going to be. And Chris Hansen's going to be in it.

[B]

Who?

[A]

Chris Hansen, the Catch a Predator guy.

[B]

Oh, Tesha. Remember what the funniest was?

[A]

Cracker. Tesha.

[B]

We were. I lost it.

[A]

Oh, no. With that guy.

[B]

No, Cracker said that joke. What'd she say to Catch a Predator?

[A]

Because that's a drag name.

[B]

Yeah, she was like, she Was like. Because we know we'll bring people up, they do a walk off, whatever she like. And this guy, this kid, he looks like a fetus. I can. We cannot believe he's in the bar. I'm like, you have to be 12 years old. Show his ID everything. She was like, well, welcome to stage to catch it. To Catch a Predator.

[A]

Can you please tell before we get into our subject, the joke that cracker told about that couple?

[B]

I'm really bad at read some people's jokes besides yours. You should tell it.

[A]

Okay. This is based off of. This is like secondhand. So I wasn't there for this. So Monet and Pixie with Pixie. Yeah, Monet and Pixie are hanging out and Pixie has these friends. And then one of the friends is like I think nine years older than the other one.

[B]

Yeah, one is 27. And so what's nine minus 27. How old is the other one? Oh, no, it's just when they were first met.

[A]

Yeah. So 127 and 1 is 9 years old. Which is, which is 36.

[B]

Yeah. No, no, no, 1 is like 22 now or something like that.

[A]

Oh, that's. Oh, okay. Got it.

[B]

Yeah, yeah. The original one was 27 and 29 years.

[A]

Minus 27, got it. So no, nine minus 27 is 18 or.

[B]

Well, okay, the young one was six.

[A]

We need to give this.

[B]

The young one was 17. He was under 18.

[A]

Like. No, when you met.

[B]

When we met. No.

[A]

How was he when you met?

[B]

I don't remember.

[A]

But it is important to the story.

[B]

Well, they're like, they're like five years older now from where they were.

[A]

Okay, so basically what happened was the way that the story happened. The younger one was under 18 years old.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

16 or 17 when they started dating. And what he called. He was like he. There was, there was some allusion to how young the other guy was and he was. And no, what happened was someone's like, well, when we first started dating, I would go outside his window and like say hi to him. And then someone's like, oh, he went to like his apartment or something. He was. And then someone somehow came. He's like, no, like at his, at his mom's house. Like he would go to the. Oh my God, this is some time Travis wife shit. He would go to the window at his parents house and woo a minor. A full grown adult man was wooing this minor. Celine Dion. Anyway girl.

[B]

Renee.

[A]

Renee, girl. So this whole thing is happening, but

[B]

now that they're sitting there like, oh my God, this is wild.

[A]

Yes. They're gagging. So this is years later. Everyone's of legal age now.

[B]

Everyone's a legal age now.

[A]

Yeah. They're not, they're not having the dinner at Gymboree or, or Chuck E. Cheese. They're at some nice place where everyone can drink. And then at some point, the conversation of children doing drag came up.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And then someone, I think Pixie was like, one of my friends has a kid who does drag. And then the older guy was like, oh, like how old is he? And then Pixie was like, the kid who doing drag is 11. And then cracker looked at the young one and then the guy said, you have friends who are 11? Yeah, yeah. You know what it was? The guy says, you have friends who are 11. And then cracker looks at the young one and goes, watch out, he's going to cheat on you.

[B]

When I tell you. I lost to the table.

[A]

So Monet, they're not laughing.

[B]

They're not laughing.

[A]

Monet is cackling.

[B]

I couldn't help myself. It was so funny. I was like, cracker is so fucking scary.

[A]

I mean, you've seen Cracker out of Drag. She's like, it happens kind of like, like she's sitting there usually like, like, like a shirt button up to her chin, looking very like Poindexter. Look like young Sheldon.

[B]

Uh huh.

[A]

She just goes, oh, he's gonna chew. And then she'll say it, but she won't. Then she'll just.

[B]

And she won't laugh. Cracker will act like she didn't say nothing. She's just, she's drinking her tea and I'll look at her laughing.

[A]

She's just keep doing what she's doing. And you'd be like, this is crazy. She goes, well, girl, you and your. That Wanda Sykes has a white wife.

[B]

Yes. Wanda Sykes have a white wife with white children.

[A]

Have you heard? So there's this thing online, it's always like, why do black celebrities always date white people?

[B]

Bitch. It's a very.

[A]

Well, it's usually specifically queer.

[B]

No, not true.

[A]

I think it seems to be more of a thing with queer.

[B]

I don't see it that way. For example, Amanda Seals, she's been very vocal. Like there's this clip of her on the real. And then when she was still working there and they all send the table. She has her afro.

[A]

She don't get the real anymore.

[B]

No, she's been left the real a long time. She was there for like maybe four months. She's like, I got to go. I can't. I can't handle it. Well, she didn't like. She didn't like the. Well, allegedly. I don't know if this is true. Allegedly. I don't know why Amanda Seals left the real. She like her coworkers, but I don't. I have no idea. But Amanda Seals left the real of her own. She chose to leave.

[A]

You got to fight with Barbara Walters. And I know that's. That's the view.

[B]

So there is a clip of her and they're all sitting at the table talking about, like, dating, whatever, whatever. And then Loni Lo goes the to like, girl, don't worry. You gonna find your white man soon. And Amanda Seals is like, no, I'm not. And then she looks like fluffing on her hair. And because Amanda Seals have been very vocal about. She wants to. She wants to date black men only. She's not. She's not interested in dating men who are not black. So. And I. And.

[A]

And.

[B]

But I've seen a lot even on TikTok. Anytime there's like a. An interracial couple, like people are you going to comments? They are always one of like, of course. Of course you would. With a white man. It's always that. I see that all the time.

[A]

Yeah. I personally think. I mean, I have a white boyfriend. I have a Mexican boyf. So I'm in two different interracial. Interracial dynamics. And I personally think that it is really weird to me when people are so upset if you have a white partner. To me, that's just. That's.

[B]

I think it's very weird too.

[A]

I genuinely, genuinely don't get it. And I also don't understand the concept of people thinking that you should date someone based on their race.

[B]

It's wild. It was the first time I ever posted andy on a TikTok the comment, like, they were like a couple comments. Of course, you and Bob. Of course. I. I knew it. You. Of course y only date white men. I'm like, first of all, that's not true. That's literally not true. I. I've dated. I've dated an array of men. Only my only. I've only ever dated two white dudes. And not that that even matters, but you know, growing up, you know, like. Like we talked about before. But first, not my first encounter love, but one of the first books I ever read was the coldest one to ever. I think Sister Soldier. And I think that, like, oh, my God, SZA Soldier. I think that was bad for young me because that Was my induction into what I. I think for years, it. To me, it taught me what I wanted love to be like. I wanted love to be. To be. I. In my mind. What I. What I wanted for myself, younger, was to only date a black dude. And I wanted it to be like, that, like, thug type of love and, like, all that stuff. And it was. It was really bad for me to read it so young, because that's what I wanted. I wanted my relationship in my life to be like winter and midnight. I was like, that's what I want. That's what love would be like for me. That's what I know I want. I don't want to date anything else. And for my early years, I only dated that because I. That's what I thought. Well, and they were all closet cases, which is. Which was a mess in itself.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Because of, you know, what I was seeking. And it was really. It was really traumatic for me. Young, I feel.

[A]

I think I can certainly see the. The. The. The beauty in seeing two black people together.

[B]

Oh, for sure.

[A]

But I do think it is very strange to think that black people should only want to date black people now if, you know, I don't think it's strange if you're black and you only want to date black people. I think it's strange if you have a problem with other black people dating who they want to date. To me, that is very. I also think it. I do think it is also weird. Not weird. Yeah, I do think it is weird for if there's, like, a black person who, like, does not date black people, like, as a rule, that is. That is wild. That is odd to me. And then I'm also thinking about when. In terms of date. I think I want to broaden my definition from date to, like, hook up. Yeah.

[B]

Yeah. All of that stuff.

[A]

Yeah. Have sex, have. Go out on dates and stuff like that. And I think that before. Before Jacob and I started dating, I've only ever tried to court, like, maybe three or four other people in my life, and it just never got to the boyfriend stage. I think of those three people. I'm not gonna say their names on the podcast. That seems shady, right?

[B]

No, we want to hear their names.

[A]

It's shady. Is that weird? We want to look them up anyway, whatever. I'm not gonna say their names, but, you know, one of them, and it was two black guys, one white guy. And then I met Jake, and then we actually ended up, like, actually dating. But there is this, like, weird thing, and I'm not gonna Lie. There's a part of me that, that sometimes it does actually get to my head. Does it ever get to your head at all, ever?

[B]

Oh, yeah, it for sure does. And you know what I mean? And it's like, it's, it's, it's really, it's very, it's very off putting.

[A]

The hat scratch. I love the hat scratch.

[B]

My head is itching. I just, I don't know.

[A]

I just love the hat scratch.

[B]

It's very annoying. It's mean spirited. It's off putting. And it's like, why are you. It's like you need to combat your own internalized racism as to why you are so obsessed with the color of the people that I'm dating. Like, why is that. Like, why, why is that upsetting to you? Why is that mattering to you?

[A]

They think you don't. I think it's because if they see you, he. Make this, the font larger. Babe. If you are dating a white guy, maybe it's just because of maybe their own past trauma or things they've seen before, but they think that because Monet is dating a white guy, because Bob's dating a white guy, they don't date. They don't think black people are attractive, which is wild. And then it gives them an opportunity to create other narratives. Like, Monet hates black people in general.

[B]

They make up their own multiverse.

[A]

Well, your friend is the one who told everyone, who told everyone that monetized, paid dust to all the. That was a crazy story. And I was like, Monet literally ignored every single person of color who came up. And then when a white girl came up, she, you know, sucked the milk out of their titties.

[B]

Right.

[A]

But then, of course, everyone knows also, by the way, someone just gathered you in the comments the other day. Someone was like, because you. Like, I never told a fan I love them. Multiple people were like, when I met you told me you love me. When I met you told me you love me.

[B]

I don't. I don't. I don't. I mean, they can say that, Bob. I just. I do. I do not have a formula to say I love you.

[A]

Like, I, I. That even.

[B]

That feels weird to me.

[A]

But, like, you love you, babe. Okay, not love you, babe.

[B]

What do I say?

[A]

Oh, my God, I love you.

[B]

Okay, okay. Yes, I have engaged in that.

[A]

But not, like, I didn't say, you made out with them and said, love you, babe. See you at, See you tonight at dinner. I said, you told fans I love you.

[B]

Yeah, I mean, I guess I have in that way, but obviously not in a romantic type of way that I would with my partner, AKA Angie.

[A]

So you're not romantically attracted to people coming to your shows?

[B]

No.

[A]

Is it because they're black?

[B]

Yes. Not the same love I would give this. Not the same love I would give to a partner. It was like a white.

[A]

You think Annie deserves more love than white people come on your show. Wow. Do you think Annie deserves more love than the black people that come to your show? This is a question I'm asking what happened. I'm just. Don't engage with me, Monet.

[B]

I am being very messy right now. Oh, you are being messy. But I want you to say it out loud again so you hear how messy you're being. I think, I think, I think when you call to think about it and say it again, you're like, I need to. I'll be wild.

[A]

What is, what is blackness?

[B]

What is blackness? Yeah. In terms of what?

[A]

In terms of for people, not for clothes. Like, what is blackness in people? Like, how do we, how are we going to define blackness?

[B]

Well, I think. Well, we've. We've engaged in defining blackness before and we had a whole thing about how you were saying that was Michael Jackson black when he died. Whatever it was, I think you cannot take. Once you're black, you're black.

[A]

I don't believe in taking away any. I don't. I just want to be clear that I do not believe in taking one of anyone away. But I recently saw a definition. I saw a recent definition of race that really confused me. It genuinely confused me because I didn't know. I had never heard of that concept of race before.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And it's. It was like the definition. And there are a lot of people on TikTok, the conversation was based around light skinned people. Light skinned black people. On TikTok, you have two black parents, but you look white.

[B]

Right?

[A]

And everyone. TikTok was like, then you're white. No, I don't know. I do not know.

[B]

I do know. And the answer is no.

[A]

But there was.

[B]

But you cannot change that person's experience. Yes, they may be white passing, whatever, but bitch, you grew up with your black ass mom and your black ass daddy.

[A]

So do you think experiences make you black?

[B]

Huh?

[A]

So you think experiences.

[B]

I think it's a combination thereof. I think it's. I think it's the experiences you have at home. I think it's. It's. Yes, you may be white passing, but you probably. You experience this world as a black person.

[A]

So if you have black parents.

[B]

Uh huh.

[A]

And you are having a black experience. Which by the way is a social construct. It doesn't actually mean anything.

[B]

But say, okay, this is my thing with contract. Everything is a construct.

[A]

That's not true.

[B]

Send me something. I'll tell you why it's a construct.

[A]

For example, this table is not a social construct. This table, it's a physical construct. The fact that it is called a

[B]

table is a construct.

[A]

That's a social construct. But the table itself is not a social construct.

[B]

But it's a physical construct. It was. That's what I'm saying. But everything is a construct. So when people say that's a social. Most things. Calling this a phone is a construct. We have just made it. We just started calling it a phone.

[A]

Yeah, no, but like, but like the idea of like someone being sick is not a social construct. I mean calling the sickness, I mean call it is a social construct.

[B]

Right, but also sickness. Like so you coughing and sneezing in America will say you're sick in, I don't know, and fucking Guyana. They'll be like, no, that's not sick. Like it, it all. It all.

[A]

Why will they not say I was sick in Guyana?

[B]

I don't know. I'm just giving a random definition, a definition. I'm just giving a random example.

[A]

But I'm saying shout out West Indians.

[B]

Oh, you know what you know about Guyana?

[A]

I know where it is.

[B]

Where is it?

[A]

It's in the West Indies.

[B]

Where?

[A]

I don't, I can't point it out, but I just know it's in the

[B]

west, put up on the map.

[A]

All I know is Guyana's in the West. I do not know exactly where it is. I just know generally speaking.

[B]

So you don't give a fuck about the West Indies, but you'd just be saying it and reference shit. Let's take a break.

[A]

Let's take a break.

[B]

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[B]

Yeah. So I think so. I mean, we can't. This is about inter. I guess, interracial relationship. This relates to it. But in terms of dating and race, I think there is a weird obsession. And I think after 2020 as well, I noticed on my social media, people were obviously conscious about it before, but I feel like after the events of 2020, people got really, really, really interested in dynamics and interracial dynamics as it pertains to race and as it pertains to dating. In my. In my opinion, I think that.

[A]

That. I don't think you're wrong. I think that race in general. I think that because of the Black Lives matter resurgence in 2020, every aspect of race has been under a microscope. And I think that dating is no exception to that. So I do think that you're right, but I think it was just about. Specifically, conversations about race have become really impassioned.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And intense.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

You know what I mean? And I think that what really is just kind of like. I don't know, it kind of feels.

[B]

It's always been a thing, though. Like, you think about, like, movies and stuff, and when. Like, in even old movies, not soulful. I'm trying to think of an older black movie, but like, when, like.

[A]

How do you mean?

[B]

Like, Guess who's Coming to Dinner. I never seen that movie. That's a movie.

[A]

Yes. Laurence Olivier. I mean, Sidney Portier. I know Sidney Portier. It's called Guests Coming to Dinner, and it's a white woman, and she brings a black guy home.

[B]

Right. Like, stuff like that.

[A]

Like.

[B]

Like it's a thing. And I remember watching movies as a kid and when I was, like, the one black person bringing my white person home to, like, the family dinner or whatever, it's always been like, well, they

[A]

remade it with Bernie Mac and Ashton Kutcher because they just made it in reverse. And a black girl brought a white guy home.

[B]

It's always been, like, a thing. So I'm not saying it's only been a thing after 2020, but I feel like that exacerbated things, that people were really looking at it a lot more, I think, even growing up. Like, again, I talk about how I feel before, but I think the reason why it took me so long to date, like, a white person because I felt like, some type of insecurity about it and what people would think about me if I was dating a white person.

[A]

That's very real. Yeah, that is very, very real. And I know that growing up, I think, because I didn't Grow up around white people. I. When I first started being physically attracted to people, I was not physically attracted to white people. I would really, like, only hook up with guys who look very similar to me. I mean, not just, like black, but, I mean, like, physical structure and everything. I was just. I was. I was. I was a doppelganger.

[B]

A doppelganger.

[A]

I've never heard of that. I was a doppelganger full on. And then as I. I think. I don't know, I started just meeting people from different cultures and just kind of like experiencing, you know, fun interactions, sexy interactions, romantic interactions with people. And. And I. I do think that even if it is within your own race, I think dating someone for the color of their skin or simply because of the color of their skin, but maybe that's. Maybe that's not how they see it. Maybe. Maybe someone like Amanda Seals, who only dates black men isn't doing it because they're black, but when they. But when someone says something like, what are you looking for in a partner? And then someone says, I'm looking for, like, a chocolate brother. And like, it's. It's. You sound like a. It kind of sounds like your only qualification is that they're black, which seems odd to me.

[B]

But if that is your race and you think that, is that a bad thing? Like, if you are a black, you

[A]

can fetishize your own people. Yes.

[B]

Yeah, this is true. But if you are a black woman who wants to date a black man because of things, because of how high racial tensions are, and you just want to feel comfortable when you go home, and for you, that comfortability is dating someone that looks just like you. It has the same experiences, and when you go to the store has. Is that a bad thing? I don't think that's inherently bad.

[A]

I don't think it is a bad thing. I don't think that wanting to have similarities with your partner based on your experiences or your. Your. Your background and stuff is. Is bad. I just. But I think that obviously it has to be more than just because they're black, but. But also I wanted someone who really started to look at people as attractive, even outside of their gender. Like, there were. There was, like, there was a day when I asked myself, like, am I. Am I really not attracted to any women at all? Or is this, like, just my programming in my head told me that I'm not attracted. Then I started looking. I was like. And I was like, I am attracted to some women. I genuinely am. And like that. But I. I Kind of had to just start unpacking it in my brain. It was kind of like that. The thing about, I think we talked about it, dating people who like seeing plus size people is beautiful and just unpacking it in your brain. And once you ask yourself why you think this way, you can, you can really do some, you know, real inner workings to find out why you feel that way.

[B]

Yeah, yeah, I agree. Dating interracially. How? Well, you recently brought both of your partners. Well, Jacob has mentioned your family of a whole bunch as his first time. How was the first time Jacob meeting your family? Please tell the story about the firecrackers, the fireworks.

[A]

Wow, I cannot believe you used that word.

[B]

Yeah, firecrackers.

[A]

White people with red hair. Firecrackers,

[B]

Patty, little firecrackers. Fatty is a firecracker. You know, fatty is the definition.

[A]

Fattycrackers.

[B]

Fire off, bro.

[A]

Whenever I brought Jacob home and there are. Well, no, my uncle has mixed children. My uncle Ray. I have a mix.

[B]

Ray Charles.

[A]

Yes, Ray Charles is my uncle. No, my uncle Ray Caldwell. Julius is real. Is his real name, but everyone calls him Ray.

[B]

Black people love doing that, I think

[A]

is his middle name, I'm pretty sure. And he spells it W R E Y Ray. Anyway, Uncle Ray has mixed children with a white woman from Utah. So I'm not the first. But they're not together anymore. And when I bought him home, I mean, I don't know, I thought my family. So many curve balls between pansexual, non binary drag queen. When, when a white guy showed up, they were just like, hey, Chris. Yeah, you know what I mean? But there was a moment we were all playing with fireworks on the 4th of July. And I don't know, I don't know how to do it in other places. But in Mississippi you just like literally just go to an open field with a bunch of fireworks. You just throw the fireworks, you have them in your hand, you shoot the bottle, rocks out of your hand. It is, it is a very country, a very country experience. But Jacob is a very skittish person. Like, if Jacob is anything, he's like a nervous cat and he's like behind. Jacob is standing behind a car, but like peeking over the car. And I don't think my cousins, my young cousins knew who he was. So my cousin's like, ah, who that white man looking at? Who that white man looking at us? Because Jacob is.

[B]

Jacob's on his phone like, hello, 91 1.

[A]

Who that white man looking at us? And I was like, that's my that's my boyfriend. They're like, oh, oh, okay.

[B]

Sorry. I was in the ve.

[A]

No, it was. No, she's my niece. It was. It was one of my cousin's children.

[B]

Got it.

[A]

It was like a younger cousin.

[B]

Yeah, my cousin.

[A]

My age. Her kids.

[B]

My. My brother is married to a white woman. They have three kids. I'm like, my brother has three children. That's wild. How.

[A]

The oldest.

[B]

One five, three and six months. One of us.

[A]

One of us already five, three.

[B]

Yeah. So, I mean, we're big stock girl. Um, yeah. So my bro, so and so recently, and they met Andy, which. Which was wild. That's.

[A]

You guys already met Andy? Did I tell you this? I have not met your family.

[B]

This is crazy.

[A]

So what.

[B]

What happened was Andy and I had just started dating, and my family, we. We just started dating. This is the end of August, and my family came down to visit. You saw. All my aunts came. Oh, you were filming.

[A]

We're here.

[B]

That's why all my aunts came to LA to visit me. And then. So we were hanging out. Andy had hit me up. He was like, hey, I would love to see you today. I'm like, well, I can't really hang out today. I'm hanging out with my aunts, taking them around. We're getting lunch, yada, yada, yada. It's like, oh, we're getting lunch at this place. He's like, oh, it's actually right by my house. So if you want, text me when you're there and then you can, like, come outside.

[A]

I want to meet Jackie. That's what I want to meet.

[B]

I know. Text me when you get outside. And maybe we can, like. You can just come outside and say hello. Whatever. I was like, cool. So they have lunch on my. With my aunts, Three of them. Very rare if y' all follow me on Instagram. Y' all saw. It was a wild time. I got them fucking drunk. I got them. It was. It was great. It was a great time.

[A]

I feel like your aunts are so different than my aunts. Like, I could never imagine my aunts all getting drunk. That would be like, really? Jacob, could you imagine, like, my mom and Aunt Hazel and Aunt Lisa, like, getting drunk? It does. It doesn't even. I can't even. I can't even.

[B]

We're shot. We're West Indians, and we're.

[A]

We're so that your mom wears a leotard or, like, a bathing suit at the beach.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

I told you, I've never seen. I know. Most people don't wear babies. I've never seen my mom in a bathing suit.

[B]

That's so wild.

[A]

I've never seen my aunt. I've never seen any of my aunt. Maybe my. I think I may have seen my Lisa in a bath.

[B]

That's wild to me.

[A]

Lisa also wears shorts and a T shirt to the beach.

[B]

Really?

[A]

I've never seen them in a bathing suit.

[B]

My mom is a full bathing su. Anyway, so then at the restaurant, I text him, like, hey, we're, like, about halfway through. I don't know if you want to still want to come by. He's like, oh, y' all come by, bitch. I look up 10 minutes later, and he is walking into the restaurant with a bouquet of sunflowers. One for me and one for each of my aunts and doing too.

[A]

And he's trying to. Trying to. He really trying to get them. He was trying to get them.

[B]

This was.

[A]

Win the aunts, and you win everything, honey.

[B]

We'd only been talking for, like, two weeks at this point, and he was. He did that. So he showed up, and I was like, oh, my God, what are you doing?

[A]

Give Andy some sloppy topic.

[B]

Oh, I busted down on that Z, honey. And then he gave one to me, and each of them, and they were all like. And they all, like, got up and hugged him and shit, blah, blah. And then afterwards, he texted me. He's like, does your family know you're gay? I was like, yes, they do. They know I'm gay. I want tv.

[A]

What da white boy done with these hip flowers? So.

[B]

So he met my.

[A]

Was that a good West Indian?

[B]

That was not. I don't know, bitch. I don't know. You sound like. You sound like Whoopi Goldberg in Clara's. You also.

[A]

You will never do it with any accent for me. You never will do it.

[B]

I have before, but we did a whole podcast.

[A]

I did you.

[B]

Okay. You talking about I need ginkgo, bitch. You need ginkgo, biloba, paloma, whatever it's called.

[A]

Yeah. Palmetta, rosetta. Yeah.

[B]

So my family has had. My family has no awareness about interracial dating. They love. For a little bit, they met, and I've obviously heard me talk about Andy a lot. They really like him for me, et cetera, et cetera. So they don't have no awareness about me in an interracial relationship. But I'm just happy that I am not, because, you know, I saw you growing up when I was, like, my birth mom June, like, the year I was in Atlanta. I don't know Why I would hear her say things like, if she can't use your comb, don't bring her home and shit like that. So, like from back then when I

[A]

was like 10:12, you were like, she's not coming home regardless.

[B]

10:12, I was developing this.

[A]

You're like, bitch, I can't use a combination.

[B]

Oh my God, you are a mess. So from that young age, I was developing this, this, this, this toxic thing about interlace, Interracial dating. And obviously later in like my. By, like my mid-20s, I'd shaken that and I was, whatever. And I'm happily in an interracial relationship. But yeah, I think family can really be instrumental in fucking warping your mind and making terrible. You know.

[A]

I agree. And being in. Being in an interracial relationship is very interesting because whenever I hang out with Jacob and his family, it's. It's just so different.

[C]

Yes.

[A]

Than hanging out. It is like the Ritz's and the Michelle's. So it's like if I'm hanging out with Ezra's family, it's like I'm hanging out with all these Mexicans and like everyone, like, they all speak. They all speak Spanish.

[B]

I'm listening. I just want to say this.

[A]

I mean, it is, it is a very Mexican experience. And when I hang out with Jacob and his family, it is a very northeast Jewish experience. It is like a liberal Jewish Obama. You know, like the kind of Jews who have Obama stickers in the year 2020 on their car. It's very much like those kind of people. And it's. It is just so different. I think it was the first Seder for Passover. Right. I. I went. I went to Jacob's family's place for a Seder, which. Can you. Do you have a microphone? Is your mic on?

[B]

Yeah. What's the Seder?

[A]

Can you describe what Seder is, babe? Seder is the Passover dinner and the pass. Or like the celebration of Passover. So it's a dinner, but there's also sort of like a Passover service where you tell the story of Passover and how it applies to, like, the different things you're doing in the dinner. So it's more. It's like a ritualistic celebratory dinner. Yeah. So we. So it starts. I actually have it on my phone. The whole. I recorded the whole thing. It starts with like, Jacob's mom being like, hi, everyone, welcome to our Seder. Just so you know, I don't believe in any of this stuff. All right, let's get started. And Then she like tells all this. So she's doing it more for the tradition. Like Jewish people seem to be really interested in their religion as a tradition and as a, as a culture. Then I mean, there are some Jews who are. They are serious.

[B]

Yeah, for sure.

[A]

But there are. But I don't know, a lot of Christians who are just into it for the traditions, I think more than you think. But like who don't believe in God. Like, like who don't believe in God and are still like going to church.

[B]

So does your mom not believe in God at all?

[A]

But she. But we're like praying. We're baruch ata. Like we're doing the whole thing. And it was really interesting. Everyone knew all the prayers and Jacob sings the songs.

[B]

She.

[A]

She has new translation of the prayers that don't have God.

[B]

Got it.

[A]

Yeah. Jacob really wanted to make sure Rose written was cleared, honey.

[B]

Absolutely.

[A]

But yeah, but. But they're just really interested in it. So it was really interesting to see someone engage in a non religious religious practice. And like kind of basically everyone was on board. Everyone was like, yeah, this is pretty much what we all agree. None of us believe this stuff. But we love these traditions. We love. We love Jewish traditions. And I guess the only thing that I have that's similar to that is that I celebrate Christmas, but it is a very secular Christmas. I guess it's just the same thing. It's just without you just pull the God out of it and you just do the Christmas stuff.

[B]

I thought this TikTok. I guess we can shorten our podcast, but I'm gonna show you really quick. The caption says, when he asked why it was so quiet around his family when we started dating.

[C]

Yo.

[A]

My co workers always ask me, brandon, why you so quiet? So another up in here, baby.

[B]

I have thoughts.

[A]

I make observations. I can't go around speaking my mind and it's not place full of you nine I get fired.

[C]

So

[A]

there is there. And there seems to be a thing online where like interracial couples on Tick Tock are a huge thing. Yeah, there's like this black girl and this Asian guy who are a couple.

[B]

Yes, the tall Asian guy.

[A]

Yeah, he's a really tall Asian guy. She's like an Afro.

[B]

Sure. Yeah.

[A]

And they are like a huge thing. But also they get a lot of hate.

[B]

Oh yeah.

[A]

As well.

[B]

Love.

[A]

And there's also this, this other girl and this white guy who are by the way, I feel like growing up I never. Maybe just where I'm from, you would see black guys dating White girls. You would. I mean, just never see black girls dating white guys.

[B]

I don't remember.

[A]

That was not for. In. In.

[B]

In New York. I feel like I saw everything. So I don't.

[A]

Yeah, you grew up in New York City.

[B]

Yeah. I don't remember that sticking out to me.

[A]

You probably saw. You've probably literally seen a rat dragging a piece of pizza at some point in your life. You've seen it all. But I had never seen that. And it. And it's kind of like. It's like a. It's like a whole thing now.

[B]

Yeah, that.

[A]

That. I think that maybe. Maybe it's because, like, some of these black women don't feel confined. Cause there. There is. I think there is a lot of pressure from black people to date black.

[B]

Oh, for sure. For sure.

[A]

And you get shame if you. And you get shame.

[B]

Yeah. Or people call it, like, oh, people call you, like, a sellout and like. Oh, yeah. It's a. Such a big thing in the black community.

[A]

Not.

[B]

I mean, obviously, not only the black community. Obviously, other communities probably engage in this. We're black, so we're speaking from a black experience.

[A]

I know that. I mean, Jacob's mom was talking about a nice young Jewish boy. Not for Jacob, for Mateo.

[B]

Actually.

[A]

She was trying to hook.

[B]

Was.

[A]

It was a Nick. She's trying to hook Nick up with a nice Jewish boy. Nick is not Jewish, by the way. At all.

[B]

But I was going to say. We're not saying otherwise.

[A]

I guess that. No, that didn't seem to be the same thing. But I know. I don't know. I. I know that the cultural context of Jewish people wanting their kids to date other Jewish people, well, that's a big thing.

[B]

Especially like in Sex and the City. Charlotte. Charlotte literally converted to Judaism to date Harry and marry Harry because he could not date someone who was not Jewish.

[A]

She literally converted. Dad converted to Judaism, and they're not even religious.

[B]

That's wild.

[A]

So.

[B]

So again, so we're saying it's not only black people bobbing because people closely say. Oh, so y' all only saying black people do that? No, we're speaking from. We're black people. We're seeking from a black experience. We're sure it happens in other black.

[A]

We have a nigga thoughts in our nigga minds.

[B]

Can you please vote with Jacob as I just had nigga thoughts, I guess.

[A]

But yeah.

[B]

So I don't know where we're going.

[A]

Well, I think what we're getting at is we're talking about the. The pressure to date black yeah. When you're in the black community.

[B]

Yeah. Yeah.

[A]

And someone was asking me, can you date outside of your race as a black person and still be pro black?

[B]

Absolutely.

[A]

Obviously. Obviously. I think so.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

But there was a huge conversation on my Twitter a while back being like, no, you can't. It's not possible to date outside of your race and be pro black if you are a black person.

[B]

Really?

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

But that speaks more to that individual than, like, that person is interracial. People who date interracially are not a monolith. No one is.

[A]

Well, clearly they were putting their own thoughts right on. On me. But they were saying, like, well, you're giving resources to non black people. And I was like, well, every. Every black person in America gives resources to non black people.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Unless you're exclusively shopping at black stores, you're only, you know, if. Blah, blah, blah. Yeah, yada, yada. But also, that is to insinuate that I'm. That I'm also not receiving any. That's also to insinuate that in this relationship, I'm the only one giving anything.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And that I'm not also receiving something.

[B]

Yeah. You guys, you get blow jobs.

[A]

I do get blow jobs.

[B]

Let's see you get some booty hole.

[A]

Yeah, I get. I do. I get all that stuff. And me. And. Me and Jacob. More so than me and Ezra. Jacob and I have a working relationship. We are partners, but we're also like co workers in the Bob the Drag Queen business. Between the podcast and our. And the social media, and mostly just those two things, but every once in a while, other things as well.

[B]

Could you date someone who was not pro black?

[A]

No.

[B]

Right. Impossible. No, I mean, I'm sure it exists. Jacob is like, oh, am I? I'm sure it exists. I'm sure there are people who date people. I know for me, I could not date interracially if that person was not pro black. It literally would not work.

[A]

I couldn't date a black person that wasn't pro black.

[B]

Right. Yeah, yeah, true.

[A]

But it's also. But it's also be fair that it's based on my definition of pro black.

[B]

See? Well, see, but what is. There's. I mean, what is your definition? Like, pro black is pro black. How do you mean your definition of pro black?

[A]

Well, I mean, everyone. I think everyone has a different definition of real black. So I'm saying if someone does not meet my standards of what it means to be pro black, then we wouldn't be able to date. But I don't I don't have a broad. Because this other person definition was you cannot give any resources outside of the black community and be pro black. That's.

[B]

Their definition is flawed because they do not live and only.

[A]

I don't know their life.

[B]

I don't know what those people do. They might.

[A]

They might live off the land. I have no clue.

[B]

I literally don't know what they do.

[A]

It is probably a safe assumption because they're there. They were tweeting from.

[B]

From an iPhone that was fucking or Android.

[A]

So unless they. Unless they were tweeting for some black owned cell phone company that I don't know about, then chances are.

[B]

Do you, do you. Do you ever. Do you ever like, tiptoe. Tiptoe talk around your partner because. Because they're not black.

[A]

No, no, no, no. I. I will say this. I do not tone down my blackness right around Jacob or Ezra. I do not code switch. I. When I met. When I met Jacob, I mean, when I met Jacob, I was saying the N word. I still say it to this day. I was eating the same foods I eat now. Maybe I eat a little more brisket and challah than I used to eat and more tacos and tortas than I used to eat back in the day, but I still bring. I also, to be fair, I was not bringing a culinary experience to

[B]

dominoes.

[A]

Oh, yeah. It's not like I was bringing a culinary experience, but. And also I was like, I. I think that I am someone who quotes. I'm using air quotes for you. Really? Listening. I do sound black. Like, people hear me and they're like, oh, that's a black guy. That's a black gay guy.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

As soon as they hear my voice, like, that's a black gay guy talking.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And I. And around your parents, I don't think I like, tone it down or change. I actually did play a very interesting clip from Clara's heart last night.

[B]

You do?

[A]

And Jacob's parents were like, whoop, I know.

[B]

Bob is wild. Oh, it was a clip when Neil Patrick Harris calls Clara a nigga.

[A]

Yeah, that was a gag.

[B]

Girl, child. Anyway, yeah, same. Even in my previous interracial relationship one. Now I just, I just, I say the jokes that I say. I'd be niggering up and down in my daily speak. It's just how I speak. I can't. I would not be able to be free and live a happy life if I could not be my authentic self.

[A]

I think that in 2020, Jacob and Ezra both actually showed a lot of behavior that felt like affirming to be able to date them. And, and I remember being.

[B]

Yeah, but I remember Jacob at that damn protest child. I said, look, a little Jacob. Little sign.

[A]

Yeah, Jacob out there covered in sunscreen, sweating. Oh God, it's so hot walking around.

[B]

I live.

[A]

And you know, and Ezra went to protest as well. And I also talked to both of them about race. And, and, and I do have, I do have a lot of conversations about race in my day to day life and I really do think it does. Actually, I'd be lying if I said I was not hurt by the comments, especially coming from black people who insinuate that I am not pro black because I date someone who's not black. Yeah, it does. It does hurt.

[B]

It really does hurt. For sure. I hate that. I think it's so. It feels like they're trying to shame you in some way and like because by them shaming your experience dating an interracial person, they're getting some type of retribution from me. It makes them feel good.

[A]

Well, I think there is a lot of time where a lot of people do this and it's not. And to be fair, I have done this before too. Negating someone else's blackness by saying like so and so is not black. Like a lot of people. It's like sometimes people do it to Candace Owens, sometimes people do it to Christian Walker, people have done it to O.J. simpson. Raven Simone.

[B]

I feel like with those people though, the reason.

[A]

And again, no, I get why they're doing it, but it's the same thing, just on different scales. You know what I mean? It's just that it's just obviously much more dramatic with Candace Owens, Christian Walker and even at some point, O.J. simpson, Orenthal James Simpson. But that does not, I don't. It, that doesn't, it doesn't make them not black.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Like, is Candace Owens messy? Yes. Is she problematic? Yes.

[B]

I ain't claiming that Hoe.

[A]

Well, she, whether you claim her or not.

[B]

I say she's not black. I said I'm not claiming her.

[A]

Oh, well, she is a black person.

[B]

She is. She is black as hell.

[A]

She is, she's, she's a dark skinned

[B]

black, whether she wants to admit it or not.

[A]

And she.

[B]

Has she ever said she's not black?

[A]

I don't, I don't, I don't, I don't follow Candace. I don't know if she's ever said she's not black. Yeah, but that sounds like something she would say.

[B]

Also, I want to clarify Something on the. When we talk about Raven Simone, I literally never said anything about black. I said. I quoted her directly and she said, I'm not African American. I'm American. That's what I said. People say online, people like, like Monet, Raven Simone never said she's not black. I literally listen to the episode. I never said that. People love to say that. I say shit on here. That I did literally did not say. I was like.

[C]

Did I say that?

[B]

I listen. I was like, I did not say that. She said, I am not African American. I'm just American. That's what I said, which is what she said. Anyway, can you name any famous. All black couples?

[A]

You mean like between the two. The two of them?

[B]

Yeah, the two queer couples. Oh, queer couples.

[A]

Oh, who are like, notable and famous.

[B]

Oh, the guys from the show on Netflix. They're. They're. They're really popular show where they're a stylist. I don't know their names, though. They're both black.

[A]

I. I don't. I don't know. I don't know that show either. What? I don't know that show. What? Michelle and Barack, they're not queer.

[B]

You don't know that. You don't know how they identify. You don't know what Barack and Michelle identify as. You don't.

[A]

You're right. I don't know.

[B]

Have you asked them?

[A]

I don't know that Michelle and Barack have come forth and come out as a heterosexual cisgender couple. And I am assuming their gender. I think Barack has said that he's a man before.

[B]

Yeah, Michelle says she's a woman. Queen Latifah and her partner.

[A]

Queen Latifah is not out monetary.

[B]

Well, bitch, I don't have any inside information. I'm just going to. What I see on the fucking TV

[A]

on this little tipa has never.

[B]

Okay, we'll bleep the names then. But I mean, no, keep it in.

[A]

Let Queen Latifah come whoop that ass. Unity.

[B]

Cleo gonna set it off.

[A]

Unity. There's also Niecy Nash and her wife as well. But I do want to acknowledge there are lots of interracial famous.

[B]

Just because we can't name any of the.

[A]

Right. There's Billy Porter and Jacob trying to get it. There's Billy Porter and his husband, but he's white. He's. I'm saying. I'm talking about the interracial ones. Blood and his husband. Ray. Ray. Ray. RuPaul. Ray Paul. RuPaul. RuPaul and his husband.

[B]

Me and her and. Her and her partner.

[A]

Me and my partner, AJ o' Hara and her partner. Yeah, there is. So let's, let's take a step back and ask ourselves, why do we think so many famous queer, queer black people are dating white people? And I. And I think that the problem. Because I don't want. I don't want to trivialize the issue that people have with it. I don't want to say that it's just like them being like. It's so weird. Why is it weird? Yeah, I think it feels to them like the black community is losing something.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

If they. A black person is dating someone who's not black. Yeah, for sure. I think that's, it's safe to say that's what it is.

[B]

Yeah, I agree.

[A]

They feel like, like they feel like we lost the good one or something.

[B]

Yeah, yeah. Kind of like, kind of like how would it say, like when, like women would find out that a man was gay? They're like, oh, we lost one.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

So why do you think so many famous or. Well, to do whatever black people date white people? What do you think it is?

[B]

Queer. Specifically queer. I, I. Let me speak from a queer experience.

[A]

Let's fuck them. Fuck them, sis heads.

[B]

That's what I can speak from. I think for me it was finding someone. The people who outdated who are outside my race. It's just finding people who I was open to everything. Again. Dating as a drag queen for me was difficult and it's something that I think is very specific. Not a lot of people can handle dating a drag queen. It's a lot to date. You're basically dating two people and you have to deal with someone who is not flirting with people. But you're in a draw that is sexual.

[A]

Oh, I'm more than firm. Was it hard date of drag queen Jacob? No, that was convincing. Damn, Jacob. Drag race.

[B]

I think it's hard to do drag queen. I think for the people who I have dated, I just found that compatibility and someone who felt comfortable with that and someone who, who, who, who didn't let me.

[A]

Who, who, who didn't let the fact

[B]

that I dressed up as a made them feel weird.

[A]

I'm glad you said woman, because you ain't never dressed up like a lady, that's for goddamn sure.

[B]

And I think anytime I find a partner, whether it be black or someone who's not black, it's just been someone who is just very comfortable with that and someone who is happy to date me. I am, bitch. I was dating people who were Happy to be with me. And I think before that I was dating people who wanted to for something, whether it was sexually or whatever.

[A]

I mean, your partner's. Your partner now wants something sexual.

[B]

This is true. But it wasn't only that. There were more things.

[A]

Oh, you felt like the last. The past relationship were. Were mostly sexual?

[B]

No, not mostly sexual. But if not sexual, there was one specific thing that I think that I was offering that they wanted.

[A]

What was the thing? Is it a secret? Your anus?

[B]

Can you just leave it at what? I said one on one thing.

[A]

Oh, I'm just, I'm just asking.

[B]

And I said to leave it at that.

[A]

This is one of the weird, weird one of those weird secrets, this thing about Monet. Monet will be open about the, the craziest things. And then I'll mention one thing when it would be like, that is where I draw and I'm trying to respect your wishes. You don't me talk about whatever this thing is, okay? I can't even afford it because I don't know what the I'm talking about. Okay.

[B]

I'm just. Whether it be like cloud or whether it was.

[A]

Oh, you mean different things, different people. Yeah, I thought there was like one thing different.

[B]

No, no, they're different people is what I'm saying.

[A]

Oh, I was so. I was so confused. I was like, what is this thing? What do you are. Do I need to eat?

[B]

I have the Infinity Stones. They want the stones.

[A]

I am inevitable.

[B]

One left.

[A]

You remember that there was a famous

[B]

clip on TikTok of why you become Yoda.

[A]

There's a clip on TikTok of like you do the face shift thing and the camera pans around and then it's Thanos voice going, one to go. And I had a thing and it said. It said when I break up with one of my boyfriends and it just

[B]

goes one to go. Wow, Bob, that's so funny.

[A]

But back to. So let's discuss why it is. Why is it such a. An occurrence? I think a lot of people think of it as someone posted online. And I'm going to be paraphrasing. I can't remember quite what the person said that they were basically saying something like they feel like black people who get success or money would rather date the like. But also this person was really basing it on like looks. They were like, they would rather date like an unattractive white person than date an attractive black person.

[B]

I don't know what even means.

[A]

There were a lot of people like agreeing with them in the comments, they were like, you'd rather date a mediocre white man than date a fine ass black man. And I'm like, I would. I would never date someone because they're attractive. I would fuck someone because they're attractive.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I would never date someone.

[B]

Marry.

[A]

Date someone because they were long term.

[B]

Like, girl, that means nothing.

[A]

Yeah, I would. I wouldn't. I would never, ever date someone. Just.

[B]

But also. That is so subjective. Bitch. What is fine to you is fine to you. What's fine to me is fine to me.

[A]

Yeah, I agree. I agree. I'm just trying to. We don't have anyone here to offer their perspective.

[B]

We should. We should have done that.

[A]

Maybe we can get. We can get someone on the show would be great.

[B]

We can have her talk about this.

[A]

I want a queer person.

[B]

True. A queer person.

[A]

Yeah, I want to. I ain't trying to get on straight people. Show.

[B]

You don't know how Amanda Denzel was.

[A]

I do. She says she's straight.

[B]

Yeah, she's straight.

[A]

That I know. I don't know about Brock Obama, but

[B]

I know about Amanda Seals.

[A]

And I know.

[B]

Yeah. Yeah. I think. I think it's an interesting thing. And you know, oh, my gosh, that

[A]

might be a spicy episode.

[B]

Like, someone who.

[A]

If we find someone who has a problem with interracial relationships, I'm sure you know who used to always give me shit online. Who is Asia o' Hara for dating. No. Whenever I would call out white people, she'd be like, but isn't your boyfriend white? And I was like, so I'll call them out, too. Because I tweeted out one time, if I ever seen annoyed or irritated with white people, it's only because I'm annoyed and irritated with white people. And then she was like, isn't your boyfriend white? She's more like, isn't your boyfriend white? I can't do her Texas accent. Isn't your boyfriend. I can't do her accent. Anyway.

[B]

Why was that? He can't do it. And didn't proceed to do it four more times.

[A]

I was trying. I tried my best.

[B]

I can't do it. I can't do it.

[A]

I can't talk like Asia.

[B]

I can't talk like Asia.

[A]

I don't know, Monet, you cancel.

[B]

Yeah. That's very hard. That's her. Anyway, that's her cadence, but not the sound. Yeah.

[A]

Anyway, so. But I think that she was insinuating that I can't call out issues with whiteness and date a white person.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Which I don't think. I don't think like that.

[B]

Oh, agreed.

[A]

That's just not how my. How my brain works. And I'm also talking about whiteness as an institution more than a specific. Whiteness as a social construct.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And the commonality amongst white people.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

From that social construct and the privileges and that they get. You know what I mean?

[B]

Yeah. I'm like, what? I'm a few months into my relationship with Andy, and we've already talked about things like that. And because, you know, you know, at the beginning, you start saying a few things just to see how they gonna react. I'm like, okay, you passed the test.

[A]

Well, I have a friend who basically, they were both white, but he was doing, like, him and this guy were, like, dating. And then the guy was basically like, all lives matter. It was all. It was. It was something that he was like, at some point, he and the guy were talking and the guy was like, well, I actually don't think that Donald Trump's that bad. Or it was something Donald Trump said. And he was like, I don't think you were. You know what I'm talking about. He was like, I can't remember what he said his name and bleep it.

[B]

I just wanted to know who it is.

[A]

It was. I was dating this guy from Orange County. Bleep where he's from too. And then actually, I don't care. He's dating this guy from Orange County. And then like, annoyed by something Trump did, and he was like, I think that maybe we should try to see it from other perspectives.

[B]

Right, bitch.

[A]

What? And they just. They broke up and just stopped dating

[B]

on the second date. You're like, yeah, you know, because, like, black lives matter.

[A]

Have you seen that guy? That guy on TikTok?

[B]

No.

[A]

He goes and he tests in the water. He's like, I'm just looking for the gender neutral bathroom.

[B]

Donald Trump sucks.

[A]

Yeah. I'm so glad this place is wheelchair accessible. But yeah, that's my. That is my. I mean, just from the discourse I've seen online. But what I do think, what does alarm me is that, like, online it feels like that is the general consensus amongst black people. But I think what it is, is, is a lot of the black people who feel passionately about never dating a white person or a person or specifically white people are just very, very vocal. And the people who are like, I would date a white person are just kind of like, whatever.

[B]

What is it about black people only wants to date black people? That feels okay. Good. But when you hear like a White person that only wants to date white people.

[A]

Oh, that's insane. I'm like, that is insane. You're in the KKK if you are a white person. If you're a black person and you're like, I only date black people. Like, okay, I mean, I get it. I'm like, I'll date any. I'll date anyone that I find attractive, that I have a connection with. But if you're a white person, you're like, I would only. I'd be like, you're in the kkk. You are. You're the grand wizard. You have a. You have a sheet with holes poked out for the eyes. You've been to a crossroads. You know what I mean?

[B]

It's like, I'm like.

[A]

Like, oh, really? Because, like, what do they. Why, like, what do you.

[B]

Right. It just does not sit well with my spirit.

[A]

Like, what are you saying? Yeah, it's racist. There's no other way to put it. It's racist. That's racist.

[B]

What?

[A]

It also seems to insinuate that, like, anyone who's not white isn't attractive. Or. I don't mean just physically, but I mean, like, on an emotional level or romantic level. You cannot experience attraction to anyone unless they're white.

[B]

To me, what it is very strange to me. What it is, is you're saying that you're trying to preserve whiteness and all. And. And. And in preserving whiteness, you're preserving all the problems that this entire globe has faced because of.

[A]

Yes, it's very Aryan Nation. Yeah, it very sounds like someone who's trying to save the. The white race.

[B]

Right?

[A]

Dating.

[B]

What?

[A]

The only way to really get rid of white people is to.

[B]

Is to interracial date, girl. Blur the racial lines, girl.

[A]

The only way to get with white people is to fuck them out of existence. Hear me out. We're talking about the long game. If we use our black dicks and our black pussies to have some brown black babies, we can wipe out the. Oh, my God. Hear me out. Listen to me, y'.

[B]

All.

[A]

I'm not saying marry. I'm not saying marry. I'm not saying date. We have to fuck white people out of existence. This is our only chance if you think about the math. Listen to me. Right now, Asia is two thirds of the globe. Asia is two thirds of the entire globe. Asians alone have the ability to completely fuck white people out of existence. And you know, these white men cannot say no to these Asian women. This is it. This is how we do it, girl.

[B]

Fuck him.

[A]

Out of existence. I'll do my part.

[B]

I'll do. No, I'm not doing mine.

[A]

I'll do my part.

[B]

I mean, y' all can borrow some semen.

[A]

She gonna drop it off in a jug.

[B]

Yes, honey. You bitch. You give me a week, honey, you'll have. You have enough semen to fertilize or

[A]

just go down to the. Just go down to the. To the sperm bank and just lie on your. My name is Carl Smith, and I am. I love golfing, and I am. And I don't want any misunderstandings about that. That would be okay, just for. We would never falsely document our sperm at a sperm bank. Just.

[B]

Yeah, I would not do that. But, yes, I think one thing we should do with our boyfriends to get their perspective about what it is to date someone who's black.

[A]

Yeah. And I definitely want to have a white person who doesn't think it's okay.

[B]

Oh, yeah, we should. Like, a panel is you, you, me, each one of. Each of our partners, and maybe, I guess, two people who are opposing. So it doesn't feel like four against one.

[A]

Well, I would actually rather. I would rather that panel be a black discussion amongst black people because it seems like. Because I think what I find more interesting is the conversation amongst black people, because I think what it is when it is white people saying that kind of stuff, I just write them off as racist.

[B]

This is true.

[A]

And when it's black people, I'm like. Like, I understand why you would say this.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And let's talk about the. The nuance behind this conversation. Yeah. But when someone is just, like, overtly racist in that way, I'm like, oh, you're. You're done. You're unreachable. When a white person says they only want to date white people, I view that as very problematic.

[B]

It.

[A]

It sounds very racist. It sounds like you sound like a. Like a white supremacist. You sound like a member of the Aryan Nation. You sound like you're trying to, like, save whiteness, which I don't think needs to be saved.

[B]

Right. But with a black experience, it's like, it is understandable why you may have trauma or be averse to dating someone who is.

[A]

Who.

[B]

Who. Who is. Who is white.

[A]

Yeah. And I think that I understand that as a black person, because I have a black experience, and I do have trauma with white people.

[B]

Right.

[A]

Like, you can't be black in America and have trauma with white people.

[B]

There's no way. It's impossible.

[A]

Yeah. I don't. I mean, if you. And if you do, I mean maybe

[B]

some people do can.

[A]

I'm sure, I'm sure Candace Owens and Christian Walker would say they have, they have no trauma.

[B]

No trauma.

[A]

I do.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

You know what I mean? There's just no way Christian Walker grip in Texas has no trauma with white people. But also he's very wealthy. His father's a famous football player. Like he just has a different experience.

[B]

Do you think, do you think his dad be looking at his tick tock like oh my God, no.

[A]

His father is a Trump. Is a huge Trump supporter. His father's like into it work and his father's very pro gay apparently. You have to be for some. Christian Walker. Hello, Christian Walker. But. And I think it's because I have a shared experience with those black people that makes me see like. But you know, I, I'm. I'm not white. So I'm maybe, maybe those white people have some weird experiences that are traumatizing to them with black people or whatever their thing is. I don't know. I'm sure in their minds they have justified why it's right. I cannot see it from their perspective because I don't share that insight. I'm not saying they're right, but I'm saying maybe that's how they've justified the concept in their mind in some way, shape, form or fashion. And I think that because I've had moments in my life where I in a moment didn't want to be around any white people, I can see why someone as a black person wouldn't want to date a white person.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

But I also think that it's worth a further look. Look into that to see why you feel that way and unpack that.

[B]

Amanda talked about this. I really want to get her to talk about this too. She's, she's. She's talked about a lot on her own channel. Well, Amanda loves us.

[A]

I'm sure she would love to.

[B]

I love Amanda Seals.

[A]

Your hands are so pale.

[B]

Stop saying that. You wanna, you wanna push me to whiteness so bad.

[A]

They are pale. Sorry. Your face just has so much more color than your hands.

[B]

You want me to be white so bad.

[A]

I want you to be whatever you are. Are you African or African American? Are you African American or are you American? Which one is it?

[B]

I'm neither. I'm West Indian American. Wow.

[A]

Do you not identify as African American?

[B]

No.

[A]

What's the camera say it?

[B]

I know I am African American. My people.

[A]

Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. Are you African American?

[B]

I'm West Indian American.

[A]

Are You African American America.

[B]

I'm with City in America.

[A]

I would like you to answer the yes or no, if possible. Are you African American?

[B]

I'm Western American. You said if it's possible. I'm West Indian American.

[A]

It's not possible to answer whether yes or no.

[B]

No.

[A]

Okay, You're West Indian American. We can all agree on that. Now, let's talk about you as an African American.

[B]

Oh, yeah, I'm African American.

[A]

Oh, you are? Okay. Yeah. You almost gathered that ass.

[B]

There's this tick tock of this guy talking about, like, the different sub. Different groups of Latin Americans. And I was like. He introduced like, some things I didn't even know were a thing.

[A]

What do you mean?

[B]

Like Latino people? Do you know that is? No, I, I don't want to it up. I don't even know it was he. But just like eight different Latin. Not just like black Latin people and white Latin people, but, like, this is like eight other different things. I was like, well, I found out

[A]

in Mexico recently that 25, roughly 25 of Mexicans identify as indigenous Americans.

[B]

Right. And that's one of them. There was indigenous. There was Brigano, and there were like three other things he said. And I was like, I even heard of these names.

[A]

And a lot of Mexicans, like, share, like, genealogy and, you know, with like the, the, the, the U.S. american tribes as well, because, I mean, there's really nothing separating.

[B]

Oh, yeah, it's right there, girl.

[A]

And, and, and, you know, the United States of America.

[B]

Yeah. You could have been tricking in New York and tricking in Mexico City.

[A]

Tricking her like pucker hoes.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Oh, I could have been. And I might have been. Not you, but.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

So I think that. Anyway, yeah, I, I just learned a little bit about that myself. Do you think we're gonna get canceled for this episode? Probably.

[B]

Cersei's gonna pop up and Serious is gonna let us have it, girl. I mean, and we probably will. Especially. I can predict now what the bombshell is going to be about the black people dating. But white people only want to date each other. Oh, white people are going to be mad about that one.

[A]

White people. Yes. Wait, mad about me saying what?

[B]

That white people only want us to date white people is problematic.

[A]

I don't think anyone. I don't think our listeners will find a problem with that. Not our listeners.

[B]

I think somebody will.

[A]

I mean, if you are listening to our channel and you engage in notions of white supremacy, like you're, you're, you're not in a safe place. I'M just gonna say right now, you are just in a very unsafe place. You have very few supporters here, and it's not gonna end well for you. I think that maybe people might. Might be mad when I'm saying, like, maybe some white person who thinks that they might have trauma with black people. With white one day. Black people. But I also don't. I'm just guessing why. Yeah. Because you're not white to, you know.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Think that way. I'm just trying to reverse think from the perspective of a black person.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And see, maybe that's. That's why a white person is, you know, thinking that way. You heard about Liam Neeson?

[B]

No.

[A]

Liam Neeson's sister was assaulted by a black person.

[B]

Oh, yes.

[A]

And Liam Neeson was, like, walking around killing. Like, if I. If I. If I see a black person, I'm gonna, like, kill them.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Luckily, he's from, like, where he's from. Where's he from? Ireland. Scotland.

[B]

I don't know where the he's from.

[A]

He's Ireland. He's Irish. So there's. He probably just went months without seeing a black person, and he got over it.

[B]

There's this one black Irish Tik tok. Have you ever seen her? She has, like, the really go, she's gorgeous black girl. And to see this black girl from Ireland with this Irish accent is such a mind.

[A]

You know, the Irish black tiktoker I'm obsessed with. He's so hot. He's just like. He is hot. Who? I gotta find him. He is. His name was like. His name was. I feel like his name sounds like a Muppet. Like, I feel like he shares a name. Like, his name is, like, Elmo or something. What's his name? Shaq.

[B]

Shaq.

[A]

His name is Shaq.

[B]

What is the Elmo name about that?

[A]

I don't know. I messed it up. But he's just so cute.

[B]

He's black.

[A]

Yeah, he is. He was your favorite mixed gender. Hit up the Instagram. He's Jamaican and. And British.

[B]

It's so weird to hear people say that, because biracial people will say it's like calling someone mix is like a slur.

[A]

I'm just reading that.

[B]

I know, I know, I know. But a lot of. I guess, you know, it's their term to use.

[A]

We grew up saying mixed.

[B]

Yeah. I grew up saying mix too. I didn't realize it was a bad thing.

[A]

But I also know people grew up saying way worse stuff than that, so.

[B]

Right.

[A]

Just because you grew up saying something does not make it okay to say, but what I do know is that this guy identifies as mixed. I read it off of his thing. His word is not mine. Okay, so if we're canceled, which I don't think we will, I'm.

[B]

To be honest, I know, Bob. I genuinely don't care about being canceled. You, every day online, you are one send. You are one post from being canceled on something. Me, everyone, everyone remember you ever heard about that guy who. He was on a flight going to South Africa and then he tweeted.

[A]

He literally tweeted like, yeah, I'm headed to Africa. Hope I don't get Ebola and die, bitch.

[B]

By the time he landed, he was fired.

[A]

He was in high school.

[B]

No, but he had like a high school job. He was fired from a high school job. He was like done. He couldn't get into his college. It was like crazy. By the time he landed, it was wild. But you are one post away from being canceled into existence.

[A]

Yeah. Imagine posting a problematic tweet, getting on a plane and then getting on the plane being like, oh, my God. God, this is crazy, girl. I mean, I don't think that. I don't personally think that I've ever done anything cancel worthy, but I think that the standard for what it means to be canceled has gotten much lower over the years.

[B]

Or like lower. Like easier.

[A]

It's easier to happen.

[B]

Yeah, for sure. I agree.

[A]

Well, I love you very much and

[B]

thank you strongly about you as well.

[A]

Thank you for having this conversation with me and let's have a follow up. Let's try to do it. Let's try to do it soon, Jacob. All right, bye, everybody.

[B]

You don't see. You don't. You don't see.

[A]

You don't get. Cut the cameras. No, cut the camera.

[B]

It's two hour podcast.

[A]

It's not yours. You didn't cut it back. I will never talk to you again.

[B]

Okay, well, I guess we'll be ready to never talk to Jay ever again.

[A]

Jay, be ready to never. And don't call me if this makes it in. We're done.

[B]

No, we're not. Okay, now we're done. Have a good night, everybody.

[A]

If you ended there, it. We are going to have a very real problem. End it somewhere in the middle. Cut one of us off.